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Row and mclovin. As a poll question

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from the first couple hours, we're gonna stay with then we

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can switch it up the first couple hours which team

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should panic after Sunday's loss? And the

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Ravens and Packers are one and two and that,

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No, it's panick about the Dolphins. Probably

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they're not as good a team as thus. Yeah, the stakes

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aren't as high for the Dolphins. If the Dolphins

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make the playoffs, it'll be a nice story. But

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the expectation level is not there

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this year, at least it shouldn't be. I think

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if they get to eight or nine wins, that's a nice

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season there, and they got a good coach, and they

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got a good nucleus there in

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the future. Watching last night,

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it's one of those where and there's very few of these

1:10

players that you go, get's over. It's

1:13

over before it's over. Russell Wilson

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I always feel this way when he adds the ball game

1:17

on the line, he's going to somehow find

1:19

a way to win. Aaron Rodgers normally

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you go, No, left too much time on the clock. We've

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seen this with Tom Brady down through the years, left

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too much time on the clock. Raiders left

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too much time on the clock, and Patrick

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Mahomes made the Raiders pay.

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Here's Derek Carr, the Raiders quarterback,

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on that topic. Anytime

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you got you know, these professional quarterbacks

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man hopefully me included, whenever

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you give us time, you know, any kind of time

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with a little bit of a field, I mean, you

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feel excited to go win the game. You know, that's

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what so we look for. It's what you dream of and

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so that's that's natural. But also

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my trust was no, our defense will stop him.

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You know, that's just in my team, my trust. That's where my

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trust is. Well, I

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mean you should have that trust in your defense.

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That's the right thing to say. By the way, I gotta get Alan,

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my it guy, to help with the Raiders

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microphone system there over a modulation

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there. Yeah, it

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was fun. They gave a lot of camera time to Brent

2:12

Mutsberger last night doing

2:15

the radio call. Yeah, the Raiders have

2:17

a lot of likable characters. They like, you

2:20

know, Josh Jacobs, Darren Waller, Derek

2:22

car a lot of good positive story. Yeah.

2:25

They're a good team. And I don't

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know if they're going to make the playoffs, but they're a good team.

2:30

And they went toe to toe with the Chiefs, beat

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them once and you know, took

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them to the wire last night. A couple

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of things though that stood out yesterday I mentioned the Ravens.

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They're just not a team that can come from behind.

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You look at Lamar Jackson when they lead after

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the first quarter, he wins.

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They close you out. They were great

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front runners last year, but this year it's

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just different. It's a different team. They've

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lost some offensive lineman, you know, losing

2:55

Ronnie Stanley for the season. Yonda

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retires. They don't have anyone

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receivers. They

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have the fewest yards per game

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for their wide receivers of anybody in the NFL

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right now, and it felt like they were a run

3:08

team. They used their tight ends last year

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and they had good defense and special teams.

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But you've got this game coming up with the Steelers

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Thanksgiving night, and that is a big,

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big game. Packers have blown

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leads of seven, ten, and fourteen points

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in their three losses. In each of their

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three losses against

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the Buccaneers, they led ten nothing. They lost

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thirty eight ten. Against the Vikings, they were up

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seven nothing, fourteen seven ed.

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Didn't last against the Colts, they were

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up twenty one seven, twenty eight, fourteen. Now

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you might look at it and go, okay, this is the defense?

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Is it the offense? Because the Packers

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opened the second half a pair of three and out

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drives and the Colts would eventually

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tie things up at twenty eight twenty eight. And

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on Sunday they blew a fourteen point lead twice.

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That rarely happens with Aaron Rodgers. Rogers

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is ninety five and against all

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teams other than the Colts when

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leading by fourteen or more points. Against

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the Colts, Rogers is one in two when leading

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by fourteen or more points. Maybe

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just a curiosity there, but it

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certainly felt like a stat of the day. Start

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up to day. Let's start up to day.

4:17

Start of the day, start of the

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day, start the day, start

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the day, it start day start

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Rams against the Buccaneers coming up tonight.

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And in case you're counting, the Rams

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have made five trips to the Eastern time zone

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and their last nine games.

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I don't know what the record is, McLevin. Could we

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find that out of number of East

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Coast games Eastern time Zone

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games for teams from the West Coast, because

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I gotta believe that they're getting

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close to that right now. All

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right, a lot of basketball moves over the weekend.

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I thought the Lakers did really, really well,

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and I thought, let's bring in Chris Mannox to kind

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of summarize everything that happened. Sports Illustrated

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NBA senior writer busy

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weekend. Here Mannix, the most surprising

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positive move of the weekend was what, uh

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positive? I'm not sure? I mean, I thought

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you said the Lakers did well. I agree

5:14

with that. I think Mark Gasol

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is a very useful pick up for them at the end of all

5:19

this, and you know the changes they made

5:21

to the backcourt. Wesley Matthews,

5:23

among others are I think are going to work out

5:25

for that team. I really like what the

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Bucks did, um you know, I know they

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wanted Bogdanovic, that was their top

5:32

choice in that sign and trade. But

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I thought they rebounded pretty well from that, you

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know, by you know, getting a guy like Brent

5:38

Forbes and a handful of others to Bobby

5:41

Porters to fortify that bench, bringing

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back Pat Connadon, who I think it's going to play a big

5:45

role for that team. And like it. They

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still have Drew Holiday, who addressed a lot of issues

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for them there. So look, it

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wasn't anything seismic.

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I think that that that tipped the balance

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of power in a significant way. But you

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know, the top teams I thought did well

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in sort of refortifying the

6:04

positions. Well, let

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me go back to the Lakers because I don't know if they're done

6:09

yet. I saw where Mark Stein said that

6:11

the Lakers and Clippers trying to sign Mark

6:13

Kief Morris. You

6:15

know this is I don't know if it's you

6:17

know, these players are more

6:20

apt to want to play with Lebron the point

6:22

guard Lebron and be a part

6:24

of a championship team. You know, I think

6:27

Montrez Harrold, you know, walking

6:29

from one side of the the Staples

6:32

Center to the other side. I mean, that's

6:34

pretty seism mic Moove. It feels like

6:36

there that you want to try to cash in and win a championship.

6:39

It feels like, do you get that feeling

6:41

that these players all you know, all in on

6:43

getting a chance to play with Lebron and playing

6:45

a chance to win a title. Well,

6:48

I mean yes and no. You

6:51

know, with markive Morris, it's just a weird

6:54

situation like he and his brother are as

6:56

inseparable as you possibly can be when you

6:59

play for different teams, and he would really

7:01

like to play alongside his brother

7:03

if the Clippers can make that work. So that's

7:06

that's one aspect of it. The market

7:08

for Harold wasn't great, so that

7:10

surprised me a little bit because he's

7:13

coming off of you know, the year he's coming off.

7:16

But it wasn't exceptionally

7:18

robust market for how which is why I think

7:20

he you know, look at it's a two year deal, but it's

7:22

really a one year deal with the option, so he

7:25

could punt the free agency in twenty twenty

7:27

one and see, you know, as the

7:29

there's gonna be more teams with free agent

7:31

cash available as teams load up for that summer,

7:33

So maybe in cash in that

7:36

year and look with Harold, like,

7:38

he's a really good player, don't get me wrong, but I'm not exactly

7:40

sure about the fit with Anthony

7:43

Davis because we know

7:45

Davis likes to play alongside you know, traditional

7:48

big men, right Like, he doesn't want to be a five. He's

7:51

accepted spurts at end of games and in the playoffs,

7:53

he wants to save his body against that where it's there. I

7:56

mean, Harold can play five, but he's

7:58

not your traditional type of five. That's

8:00

why I think the Gasol signing was badly

8:03

needed in the aftermath of losing

8:05

Dwight Howard. I mean, Gasol not

8:07

what he used to be, but I think he'll be an

8:09

incredible weapon top of the key, passing

8:12

the ball, shooting threes and just basketball

8:14

IQ. I think he's going to be a real threat

8:16

for for that team. So Harrold's a good

8:19

player. But I was Harold plus

8:21

Gasol made me think the Lakers had a good day.

8:24

Did the Hornets have a good weekend? I

8:27

don't know what the Hornets are doing or what their

8:30

their thought process is like Gordon

8:34

Hayward. Gordon Hayward won the

8:36

offseason, and Mark Barblestein is agent. They

8:38

won the offseason. I couldn't have imagined

8:41

after opting out of a

8:43

four year of a thirty four and a half million dollar

8:46

contract for next season in Boston that

8:48

there would be one hundred and twenty million dollars on the

8:50

table for him. There were teams interested. I

8:52

mean Tom Thibodeau really pushed Gordon

8:54

Hayward in New York Indiana, tried

8:57

to construct a sign and trade. But

8:59

the idea that the would be there with the Buck twenty

9:02

is mind blowing. This is the same horned

9:04

team that kind of shrugged its shoulders

9:06

at kemball Walker at least didn't didn't go all

9:08

out to try to resign kemball Walker just

9:11

a year ago. This is a horned team that

9:13

tied itself to Nick patoom a few years back

9:15

in what was an awful contract that they are

9:17

now stretching so they can sign

9:20

Gordon Hayward. So, Gordon Hayward, Dan's gonna

9:22

make thirty million dollars a year himself, but

9:24

because of the Nick Patoum stretch. If that's how

9:26

it plays out, which I think it will. Gordon's

9:29

gonna be cost him like thirty nine million dollars

9:31

a year. That is truly bonkers

9:33

for a team that isn't going anywhere, Like

9:36

they're like, what are they gonna do? Go from

9:38

like with Gordon hayber Goll from twelfth in the Western

9:40

and Eastern Conference to ten, Like I don't I

9:43

don't understand Michael Jordan,

9:45

Mitch Cupshack the thinking there. They

9:47

got LaMelo Ball, he brings some star

9:49

power. You want to build around him. Gordon's

9:51

thirty, like you just

9:53

bringing him into gives Lamello someone to pass too

9:56

for a couple of years as you missed the playoffs. I just

9:58

I thought Nick Patom's contract as an expiring

10:01

would have been much more valuable in

10:03

some kind of trade scenario where teams are trying

10:05

to cut cut costs for next summer. If Yannas is

10:07

available, then just waiving him

10:10

and making Gordon effectively a forty

10:12

million dollars for your player. Does everybody

10:14

have to get a max you know, like Donovan

10:16

Mitchell and Jason Tatum, Like it's it's

10:19

five one ninety five and that's it, Like

10:21

there's no other option where you go, hey,

10:23

maybe you'd like to give you a five for one seventy

10:26

five. Why is it? It feels like this is like NFL

10:29

quarterback contracts where next

10:31

guy up or everybody's getting the max

10:33

amount at quarterbacking position,

10:35

and then these NFL max deals, Yeah,

10:38

I mean not on rookie contracts.

10:41

Like if a player is

10:44

at an all star level, they've

10:46

become a max guy. And part of that is the

10:48

cops that are out there right Like the

10:50

second free agency open, Sacramento gave

10:53

the Aaron Fox the Max. So if you're Toddovan

10:55

Mitchell, you're not considering not the max

10:57

anyway, and Utah wasn't considering it either. But

11:00

the fact that the Aaron Fox is a Max guy,

11:02

you are a Max guy. If you're Jason Tatum, if

11:04

those guys are Max guys, you're a Max

11:07

guy. But they're just like you

11:09

can't because these have been handed out and

11:11

I agree they can hand it out almost reflexively

11:13

at this point because they're handed out

11:15

so frequently, there's almost no choice

11:17

for teams to do. I mean players. You

11:19

know, if I was a team, maybe I'd

11:21

play a little bit of hardball, because no

11:24

player in the history of these contracts ever turned one

11:26

down because if they take let's say the qualifying

11:29

offer, that's not money they can ever get

11:31

back. Right Like, if you're a player it signs a

11:33

shorter term deal, you could always recoup

11:36

money on the back end. But if you sign a qualifying offer,

11:38

that means for like a Jason Tatum, I'm just making

11:40

this number up, but it's like ten million dollars

11:43

in that first year. You can't make up

11:45

that money. So you want the twenty million in

11:47

that first year of the extension. So they're

11:49

always going to take it, at least be inclined to take it. Maybe

11:52

teams should play some hardball, but I have

11:54

no belief Dan, that's ever gonna happen. Any

11:56

updates on James Harden now

12:00

not go anywhere anytime soon. I expect

12:03

James Harden to be in training camp

12:05

with the Rockets, which isn't saying much

12:07

since that opens like tomorrow or you know, right

12:09

around the corner. My

12:12

sense from talking to people in

12:14

Houston and talking to people that have inquired

12:18

is that this is going to be a protracted process.

12:20

And I think I said this to you last

12:22

time I was on and it remains true.

12:25

The Westbrook. Domino kind of has to fall first,

12:28

you know, they have to find a home

12:30

for Westbrook. I don't know where that is.

12:33

The Washington deal kind of raised an eyebrow

12:35

because I'm not sure what you do with John wall either in

12:37

that situation. Seems like, you know, exchanging

12:40

one distressed asset for another. But

12:43

I don't expect a hardened deal to happen

12:46

until Westbrook. There's an

12:48

outcome there. And look, you do want

12:50

to get teams into a bidding war, so maybe that takes

12:53

until mid season to get these

12:55

teams to realize. You know, let's

12:57

say Yama signs the extension next week, Like

12:59

you don't want to, you know, make a deal

13:01

for Harden when other teams might who were preparing for Yannis

13:04

might be available, team like Miami or somebody

13:06

else that might throw a real offer at you. So I

13:08

don't expect anything to happen anytime

13:11

soon with James Harden. Wait, I had

13:13

Harden wanted to play with Westbrook, Like

13:15

when did Like he's okay, now not

13:18

playing with Westbrook right, Well,

13:20

he's gonna go down the list of X teammates

13:22

right to Westbrook. And now was Gurrant and Chris

13:25

Paul Chris Paul were reunited

13:27

with the Clippers. I don't think that. I

13:29

don't think there's any friction with Russ

13:31

and James. I just think, look, they're like

13:33

many people have none. Most thought they

13:36

were a tough match. Like you know, you you

13:38

put two guys together that

13:41

are used to being alpha's, that have two of the highest

13:43

usage rates in NBA history,

13:45

and it's not easy to come together.

13:48

To Russ's credit, I think Russ changed, you

13:50

know, during the year. I think he evolved as a player to

13:53

make things more accommodating to playing with James. But

13:55

it just it just didn't feel like a

13:57

long term fit when they acquired him, and

13:59

it's still does it feel like a long term fit now. Good

14:02

to talk to you so always, Chris, Thank you, buddy.

14:05

Ricky Rubio on the move again, Dan,

14:07

Yeah, he picked to Minnesota.

14:10

I already have my Minnesota Rubio jersey,

14:12

so I don't need a new one. Now. I'm

14:14

good. Chris Mannix Sports Illustrated NBA

14:17

senior writer. You know, most of us grow up

14:19

and you have posters on your wall, you know,

14:21

like legends. Mannox is

14:23

a grown man. He's got a poster. Ricky Ruby

14:25

on his bedroom wall. That's it. Nothing

14:28

else needed. Yeah, Paul, Ricky

14:31

Rubio's he's gonna be thirty,

14:33

actually just turned thirty, and he hasn't made an All Star

14:35

team yet. I don't think he's going to. Does Mannix

14:37

get the l on Ricky Rubio or

14:39

is it TBD? I'm gonna

14:42

do a TBD with him. You're being nice?

14:44

Yes, I am being nice to Mannox because he is kind

14:46

enough to join us on short notice sometimes. Rubio's

14:49

career, he's averages about twelve points and

14:51

eight assist a game. He's got a nice career. It's a

14:53

nice career. Nice career. Yeah,

14:56

Ricky Rubio is only thirty. I thought he's

14:58

been around. Feels older. How

15:01

many teams have been on six three

15:06

four as of today, But going

15:08

back to Minnesota counts

15:10

as another team though, for his heyday

15:12

back in Minnesota. Yeah, all right. A couple

15:14

of phone calls in here, Uh Jeff

15:17

and Detroit? Hi Jeff, welcome back?

15:20

What goes on? Dan? Oh?

15:23

What I've done one time? For chat row? I

15:26

actually I actually enjoy

15:28

watching the Lions get shut out. I

15:31

did it, and I'm in a weird space. I told

15:34

you Friday thirteen and twenty

15:36

eight and one, one and eight

15:38

against rookie coaches, two

15:41

and eight against rookie qbs.

15:43

I mean everybody was

15:45

off too. Everybody lost

15:48

in the NFC North. Everybody

15:50

strugle was gonna buy. You have

15:53

to win certain games

15:56

and you get beat by x

15:58

SL quarterback star. If

16:01

you ever watched a quarterback to look in

16:03

your glad to try

16:05

by guarantee thank

16:07

you. Jeff. I think Jeff's

16:10

just come to terms that, you know what, he's

16:12

a loser, not

16:14

him, well, his teams are losers.

16:17

Yeah, maybe we love Jeff, but Jeff,

16:19

you know, just he's gotten to that point where there's no

16:21

sense fighting it. You just go, I'm

16:24

just gonna let it. You

16:26

know, it's it's it's it's okay. I'm just gonna let it

16:28

wash over me. Roe

16:30

in Tennessee joining us. Hey Roe, what's on

16:32

your mind today? Hey Hey,

16:34

first time, long time, so

16:36

glad to you know, finally get the phone

16:39

call in. I remember listening to you on the

16:41

right home from school when I was a kid, So this is really

16:43

exciting. I got one best

16:46

of the week and two worst of the week. The best

16:48

of the week I played my girlfriend

16:50

in fantasy football and we're both at the top

16:52

of our divisions, and it was

16:54

neck and neck this week, but I ended up winning. And

16:57

she's a Vikings fan. I'm a Cowboys fan. So

16:59

that's on two fronts, I won this week.

17:02

Worst of the week, I won on both fronts.

17:04

So it wasn't really common relaxing, very

17:07

busy Saturday. And the other worst

17:09

of the week is we're Tennessee Balls fans

17:11

and ah man are. I

17:14

don't know if our coaches stating to our quarterback for

17:16

whatever reason, but it's

17:18

it's got to be enough at this point. You can't be

17:20

in your what fourth fifth year and still

17:22

being this bad. I know, I know

17:24

the stats weren't that bad, but just watching it, it's

17:26

just it hurts. It really

17:29

hurts you. Yeah, I watched some of that. Thank

17:31

you Roe. Yeah, poll, we're questioning Roe hit

17:33

for having his girlfriend in his fantasy football

17:35

league. That's kind of an escapism. I'm

17:37

surprised he would want to go church and state there. But did

17:40

he meet her in the fantasy league

17:43

and then maybe they fell in love. I

17:46

don't know, did you were you a couple and then

17:48

you decided to get into a fantasy league. Then that

17:51

might be a little bit different, there is it? Like

17:53

a couple's fantasy league could

17:56

be m yeah, club, but you're stealing secrets

17:58

and pillow talk like, oh he's coming

18:00

in seas I really like Russell Wilson. Then she

18:02

jumps in and takes a break. Or if you're talk in your sleep,

18:05

Oh, it'd be the worst. Yeah. Did you

18:07

hear about the fantasy thing this weekend that Taysom Hill

18:09

was listed as a tight end? How is that? How

18:11

can he be a tight end from the beginning of the season

18:14

but he was designated as the starting quarterback.

18:17

I know, I don't know what the mechanics are,

18:19

but people were dominating fantasy

18:21

with Taysom Hill at a tight end. But should

18:23

he? Has he been listening as a tight end? Has

18:26

get tight end? No? Well that's a funnying

18:28

no. But I guess what would you listen to? It? Um

18:33

wide receiver running

18:35

back but this week quarterback?

18:39

Yeah, Paul. In twenty nineteen, he was

18:41

officially listed as a wide receiver on the

18:43

roster. Yeah. This year he's been officially listed

18:45

at a quarterback on the roster for the Saints, Gus

18:48

and Los Angeles. And we'll take a break. Hey

18:50

guys, good

18:52

morning, miss a DP. Thank you for taking my phone

18:54

call. Best best and

18:56

best of the weekend of note worst. The best of the weekend

18:58

was this NBA free agency start up a little slow,

19:01

and then it started off a little agonizing.

19:03

You know. It's like we're like, oh my god, we lost Danny Green,

19:05

Wait wait West West, Matthews all

19:07

right, cool, Oh my god, we lost White Howard Wait

19:09

wait wait wait, Montres Harrow, Mark

19:12

Gasol, okay cool. And

19:14

then last with the one I saw

19:16

don't like, don't ask me why, but it was on. I saw just

19:19

go with it for the first time, and

19:22

I laughed unlike I have this

19:24

entire year. When you were doing the judging contest,

19:26

and he went up with the little old lady, You're like, oh hey,

19:29

can we get some you know, some claps over here? And

19:31

then you walked up to big Mama and

19:33

you called her big Country.

19:36

Oh dude, that brought back memories of good old

19:38

Brian reeves with grizzlies, and I laughed

19:41

my ass off. I don't think people knew how

19:43

hard or why I was laughing so hard. All right,

19:45

Thank you very much, Thank you, Gus Yes Sandler

19:47

let me add live that because the woman

19:50

who's up there dancing, she probably

19:52

was six two sixty three, and

19:56

I just had the women were getting

19:58

eliminated in the dance content asked here

20:00

and I just went up to her. I said, come on, come

20:03

on, Big Country and the

20:05

good Lions. Sam Man just

20:07

let me keep it in. There

20:09

were a couple other lines that I had that that

20:12

didn't make it, but uh yeah, I

20:14

just figured let's just throw it out there and see

20:16

what sam Man allows me to let

20:19

keep in there. Take a break twenty two after

20:21

the hour, Aaron Rodgers, I think joins

20:23

us on Wednesday on the program

20:26

Kyle Trask the Florida Quarterbacks going

20:28

to join us, I believe Wednesday Toime

20:31

Kyle Trast tomorrow and Josh Dummel Buddy

20:33

Tomorrow. Oh, Josh Dummel, the actor, Josh

20:35

Dumel will join us. The Viking by

20:37

Games got a new movie on. Yeah, johnsh Dummel.

20:40

He did the opening for the Fox

20:42

pregame show, very

20:46

dramatic read yeah, mclub. Yeah.

20:48

I did not know that there was not

20:50

the beat but the other team for the Fox Chris

20:53

Meyers, Charles Woodson. Yeah, because the

20:55

first team all the COVID protocol

20:58

or whatever, and then they were joining them remotely.

21:01

Nice ascot by Charles Woodson Ascot,

21:05

it's a full on ascot. Well wait,

21:08

that was his signature move with the Mother's Ship.

21:10

Yeah. I think he like everybody's got

21:12

to have like what Remember

21:14

Digger Phelps had a highlighter and it

21:16

would always match his tie and

21:19

I'd go all right because he would say,

21:21

Hey, what do you think with the highlighter

21:23

and the time to go yea

21:26

nice detail? Yeah, yeah.

21:29

And then Charles Woodson had an ascot.

21:31

Yes. Remember Danny Cannell had the season

21:33

of the Turtleneck Rand. No

21:35

matter what time of the year it was, it was

21:37

August, Cannell had a turtleneck on and

21:40

I went, oh, wow, I

21:43

would think your analysis would maybe be

21:45

what stood out not Oh you're the turtleneck

21:48

guy. Yep, that's me. Well,

21:50

you're the highlighter guy. That's me. Hey

21:53

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Peacock app. Hard to believe. Six

23:35

years ago tonight, Odell

23:38

Beckham Junior the Third had the one

23:40

headed grab against the Dallas Cowboys

23:43

and I mentioned this to the Dane's Was

23:45

that something great for Odell Beckham or

23:48

something bad for Odell Beckham? Or

23:50

maybe not something positive

23:52

for him because he became a household

23:55

name overnight. Chris Collinsworth, doing the

23:57

game on Football Night in America, said

23:59

that I be the greatest catch I've ever seen. It

24:01

was a one handed grab. It was unbelievable.

24:04

But then after that, we kept

24:07

waiting for those moments with Odell Beckham.

24:09

And it goes back to Jadeveon Clowney

24:12

with the hit he had in the Outback

24:14

Bowl against Michigan and he

24:16

had this unbelievable tackle knocks

24:19

the running backs helmet off, and

24:21

then we kept waiting for him to be that

24:23

kind of dominating player in the NFL. A

24:26

good career, not a great career, and not

24:28

a dominating player. But we kept

24:30

waiting for this with Odell Beckham, Like

24:33

every catch, oh he used two

24:35

hands there, he didn't have that.

24:37

Wow, he's going to make another one handed

24:40

grab. And we kept waiting

24:42

for that because that moment,

24:44

that signature moment. We thought he

24:46

was going to be able to produce that weekend in week out.

24:48

And he's a very good, very good wide

24:51

receiver, but he'll never be able

24:53

to live up to that catch. Yeah. Point.

24:55

Beckham's first three years he had ninety one

24:57

catches, ninety six catches, one hundred and one catches,

25:00

and he averaged fourteen hundred yards receiving.

25:02

He averaged twelve touchdown catches. Ear he

25:04

was roaring to the Hall of

25:06

Fame his first three seasons of pros. Then injuries

25:09

and other stuff, and it's been

25:11

He's good, he's got good numbers, but

25:13

we keep waiting for something spectacular.

25:17

It's almost like Vince Carter would have these dunks,

25:19

but you waited for him to be consistent

25:22

with everything else in his game, or you

25:24

waited for one of those dunks where you went, oh

25:26

wow, but then one handed catches

25:28

became cool high school college,

25:30

certainly in the NFL. And I

25:32

don't know if Odell Beckham will ever be able

25:35

to have a signature moment that rivals that.

25:37

The same with your Daveon Clowney. There

25:39

was an unbelievable hit against Michigan,

25:42

but you can't pick out a signature moment

25:45

with your Davion Clowney since then. Yeah,

25:47

seen, which is kind of an unfair expectation.

25:49

Yes, I mean I don't really know why we would

25:52

expect, you know,

25:55

a catch like that every game or something,

25:57

you know what I mean, Like those those highlights are just Odell,

26:00

but it's once in a lifetime. Yeah,

26:02

but you still expect him to be great weekend

26:04

and week out and he's not,

26:07

or hasn't been. Jadeveon

26:09

Clowney, we expected him to be

26:11

dominating, great weekend and week out, and he

26:13

hasn't been. Yes, he sort of like like

26:16

say Antonio Brown, when he was really

26:18

hitting it, you knew he was the best player out there

26:20

every week and that teams are deliberately trying to shut

26:22

him down and they just couldn't. Yes, he performed

26:25

every single week. Yes, Antonio Brown

26:27

was a better receiver than Odo Beckham junior

26:29

because weekend and week out, you knew that

26:31

you had to stop him, and teams weren't able to

26:33

do that. Yeah, mcclub, but

26:36

they is. O'Dell puts on that pregame show where

26:38

he does all the one hand catches. He's like a circus

26:40

before, and that's nice he's had in his whole career,

26:42

and that's why that expectation is he's going to do

26:44

it in the game. It's incredible to see, Yes,

26:47

but Steph Curry has an unbelievable

26:49

pregame workout and then he does it in the

26:51

game. Odell for the first three years

26:54

did do it in the game. He did set

26:56

up that expectation and then he always tries

26:58

for the one hand catch, but that was three years ago.

27:00

If he did it the first three years of his career, and

27:03

that's it, yeah, pull. Randy Moss

27:05

kind of had a similar thing at a much higher

27:07

level. Randy Moss's first six years he's

27:09

first ballot by far. I mean he might be the first

27:11

six years of Randy Mosses. It's one hundred and eleven

27:14

catches, seventeen touchdowns. It's crazy. Then

27:16

he cooled off in Minnesota. They shipped him out,

27:18

so at age twenty seven, twenty

27:20

nine, what should be peak years. Randy Moss

27:23

cooled off a lot and then he went to New England and was

27:25

back. So I don't know if Odell could do

27:27

something like that. The Steelers have a

27:29

four game lead over Baltimore going into

27:31

Thanksgiving week and

27:34

the Steelers are averaging just three point nine

27:36

yards per rush. But they do have Chase

27:38

Claypool. He has been

27:40

unbelievable. He catches touchdowns

27:43

and who

27:45

would have thought that they would be up what

27:47

four games right now on

27:49

the Ravens in the one loss

27:51

comb And then Levin said, well, who's your

27:53

coach of the year? And I said, well, Tomlin is he

27:55

asked to be. They're ten to oh, Sean

27:58

Payton, Brian Flores,

28:01

Frank Reich, Kevin Stefanski

28:03

and Cleveland. Yeah, mcclu you got to give

28:05

your coach of the Year to the new guy. Though Tomlin

28:07

has been around forever as a Super Bowl ring

28:10

so does Sean Payton, you know,

28:12

like, yeah, but wait, we had Mike Tomlin

28:14

maybe out the door that he had run his

28:16

course in Pittsburgh that wasn't long ago

28:18

when you had that storyline. That's true.

28:23

M John Gruden, I'd put him

28:25

on this list. Uh,

28:28

that's you know, coach of the year kid. I think Brian

28:30

Flores because they have nobody there has

28:33

to be really in the mix right in Miami. Yeah,

28:35

but we saw this the second half of last

28:37

year. This is this is a team

28:40

that was good, competitive,

28:42

but no one can name a single player on defense

28:45

or you know, they're so young.

28:48

But I'd have to do it for Mike Tomlin just

28:50

from the standpoint of a lot of times, great

28:53

coaches don't get recognized,

28:56

which is strange. They they're great coaches,

28:59

but you don't go, well, we're gonna give Chuck Noll

29:01

the coach of the year, Phil Jackson coach

29:03

of the year. Those guys, I don't know

29:05

if they won it. I don't think Chuck Noele was ever

29:07

coach of the year with the Steelers, and

29:10

I don't know if Phil maybe was

29:12

he one time coach of the year. That

29:17

seems, you know, crazy, but I think that

29:19

that's that happened. And

29:21

here's Mike Tomlin who has been successful,

29:25

extremely successful. But

29:28

it wasn't let long ago where it

29:30

felt like his stay in Pittsburgh.

29:32

The days were numbered there, so I would have Tomlin

29:34

because they're ten to no. I don't think anybody

29:36

had them being ten to no. I

29:39

don't think anybody had them winning the division,

29:42

and right now they're up by four games. Yampo, he

29:44

really should be the overachiever at coach.

29:46

It usually is. Two years ago, Matt Naggie

29:48

won it with the Bears. They went twelve and four. No

29:50

one saw it coming. It

29:53

happens every couple of years. You know, Bruce Arians

29:55

with Arizona Cardinals in twenty fourteen, eleven

29:57

and five. No at

30:00

that we like that. Wow, I didn't see that story

30:02

instead of the story that's right in front of you, Like,

30:05

can Andy Reid win Coach of the Year? No

30:07

he can't. Why well he got Patrick

30:09

Mahomes, you got all those weapons. Yeah,

30:12

when you're supposed to win, it's really

30:14

difficult to do that, Chuck Noel

30:16

wanted in nineteen eighty nine.

30:21

Wow, after all of those Super Bowl

30:23

teams, the team

30:25

was in that talent lost its first two regular

30:28

season games fifty one to nothing

30:30

in forty one to ten. They made

30:32

it to the second round of the playoffs. Therefore, Chuck

30:35

Noll did more with less and he

30:37

got Coach of the Year. Yes, it's

30:39

just like they may all these coaches of the years

30:41

got fired within three years. Yeah, like

30:43

Naggie will probably get fired. Well, didn't George

30:46

Carl win Coach of the Year and then he got fired? Yeah.

30:49

I think Boudenholzer did in Atlanta and got

30:51

fired like a year later. Well, that's when they

30:53

won like sixty one games and then they bowed

30:55

out in the opening round. Ron Rivera, Bruce

30:57

Arians Ron Rivera won twice,

30:59

Jay said Garrett. One in twenty sixteen.

31:03

Garrett, Yeah,

31:05

but that's when they went thirteen and three, wasn't it.

31:07

Dad's Bryant here? Yeah yeah, Oh

31:09

does had a catch for

31:12

the Ravens yoh yeah.

31:14

Yeah. Hopefully you can get a few more they certainly

31:16

needed from their wide receivers. Yes. Boy, I've

31:18

still never really understood why Dez Bryant's been out

31:20

of football the past few years. Well, no, he no

31:24

blood is achilles

31:26

or knee in New Orleans, I know, but not on

31:28

a practice squad rehabbing with the team. It

31:30

always felt like, I don't know, he's a

31:32

bit toxic, but he seems like a good guy, solid

31:36

receiver. Yeah, I don't know. Uh,

31:39

he stayed in the news, but um, I

31:41

think that he went to New Orleans

31:43

and then was it his near or Achilles that he

31:45

blew out? I think he yeah, I think I was acl

31:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't what it is, but he's

31:50

a guy I agree with, probably, like he was always controversial

31:52

early and now he's on Twitter being a really

31:55

great guy. I don't seems like a good

31:57

dude. Tom Landry won

32:00

Coach of the Year one time. He

32:04

was named NFL Coach of the Year in nineteen sixty

32:07

six and

32:10

then NFC coach that's not the same

32:12

in nineteen seventy five. But yeah, some of the

32:15

great How many times Phil Jackson win Coach of the Year

32:18

Did he win it once? Maybe? But

32:22

then hey you got Michael Jordan and Scottie

32:24

Pippen, Hey you got Shock and you got Kobe.

32:26

Anybody can coach those teams. Therefore,

32:29

that's probably why he didn't get votes. And

32:32

Doc Rivers won it one year. I think they went forty

32:34

one and forty one in Orlando. Yeap on Phil

32:36

Jackson, who has eleven rings one

32:39

NBA Coach of the Year once made

32:42

him earn it was

32:44

a CBA Coach of the Year as well. I forgot that

32:46

the Albany Patroons. Yeah,

32:49

well I understand that one. I

32:51

don't understand how he could possibly win it with the

32:53

bulls. Brad in North Carolina. Hi, Bradwood's

32:56

on your mind today, Hey, DP.

32:58

Just the best and worst of the week Best

33:01

of the weekend was PJ. Walker stepping

33:03

in for Teddy Bridgewater and a more

33:05

than serviceable start. Thought

33:08

he acquitted himself quite nicely in

33:10

the twenty to nothing shut out

33:12

victory. My worst of the weekend

33:14

is just the sympathy I have for Jeff

33:16

and Detroit. You're so right a

33:19

last week, Dan, It's time

33:21

for Jeff. What up though? He meets

33:23

Surrey locate. Have a good week

33:25

boys, all right? Thank you? Brad. Yeah,

33:27

Jeff calls in and he's loyal and

33:30

we love him. You know, he's an uber

33:32

driver, former police officer in Detroit,

33:35

and I can't help him.

33:38

I feel like I need to help him, like

33:41

he's really he's crying out

33:43

for help. But I can't help him

33:46

other than to say, Jeff, it's

33:48

time to move. Just keep

33:51

driving, Get in your uber car and keep

33:53

driving. Young man head

33:55

west south

33:58

east north

34:00

to the CFL. But that's

34:05

what fandom is all about. That's when you

34:08

grow up on something and it's

34:10

a toxic relationship, but you stay

34:12

in it and you go I can't quit

34:14

them because there's always

34:16

that moment where maybe Detroit

34:19

gets it right one of these days. All

34:22

right, maybe nine more phone calls

34:25

coming up back after this. Thanks for listening

34:27

to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure

34:29

to catch us live every weekday morning nine

34:31

until noon eastern six to nine Pacific

34:33

on Fox Sports Radio, and you can find

34:35

us on the iHeartRadio app at

34:37

FSR or stream us live

34:40

on the Peacock app. I'll give you a dollar

34:42

if you can tell me the Steeler quarterback

34:44

when Chuck Noll won Coach of the Year.

34:48

Yes, Pauli Oh, Cliff

34:50

Stout, Cliff Stout. No, but

34:52

good running backs were

34:54

Tim Worley and Merrill, Hodge

34:58

mcclevin, Neil O'Donnell. Oh

35:02

Man, you've

35:04

taken you've taken two candidates

35:06

out of this. There's one that you're gonna

35:08

go, Todd, Harry

35:11

Hanrady. No, Bubby

35:14

Brister. Bubby

35:16

Brister was your quarterback when

35:19

Chuck Noll finally won Coach of

35:21

the Year Dan

35:23

Orlovsky, who have great respect for on the

35:25

proput Show on ESPN. Get up. There's

35:27

no one on the Ravens offense right now that

35:30

a defensive coordinator sits there and goes I'm

35:32

scared of him. That includes Lamar

35:34

Jackson last call for phone

35:36

Call, whoa the actor Josh

35:39

Dumel will join us. And Florida quarterback

35:41

Kyle Trask. It's his heisman

35:43

to lose right now. It

35:46

might come down to the game against Alabama,

35:48

but it feels like this is Kyle trask

35:51

heisman and that would be great

35:53

if you got it that showdown with Alabama

35:56

for the SEC title. Yes, Paulie

35:58

that said Mac Jones can snag it back

36:00

in four quarters a month from now. He could,

36:02

he could. Yeah, it's almost

36:04

like a playing game. But I don't know about Justin Fields.

36:07

I think that he removed himself.

36:09

Trevor Lawrence missing another game and

36:12

they might make that game up with Florida State.

36:14

But you got to have as many

36:17

games as possible. Ryan

36:19

and Honolulu is back. Hey, Ryan, Alloa,

36:23

Dan and a big Illoa to

36:26

chat Rowe. I got two

36:28

best and worsts for you. My

36:31

Browns seven and three second

36:33

in the division. Loving it. But we've

36:36

beaten the Bengals twice, and we've beat

36:38

up on the NFC East. We lost

36:40

to the Steelers and Ravens and Raiders,

36:43

so I really don't know where we stand still.

36:47

And my other best and worst is

36:49

Ross Tucker did the Army game commentating

36:53

and he forgot to pack a belt, so

36:55

he had to wear a heart rate monitor as

36:57

a belt on National TV. All

37:00

right, well, thank you Ryan, that's confirmed. Ross

37:02

Tucker, no belt, grab

37:05

the monitor and put it around his waist like a cable.

37:07

Jonathan and Pennsylvania's back. Hi, Jonathan,

37:11

Hey, DP, Hey,

37:14

I haven't got two. I got two best and the worse.

37:16

You start with the two best, Hall

37:19

State winning again against uh

37:22

little noise Indiana, noise,

37:24

Oh Indiana, Indiana.

37:27

There you go. Um As you said,

37:29

they were struggling all over the game, defense

37:32

and offensive were struggling. Play. Hey, they came out

37:34

of the way for my cowboys.

37:36

They have one. Surprisingly,

37:39

I thought they're gonna move, but

37:41

hey, we are in the playoff race. I

37:43

started, no, I am not h

37:47

the start with and then the worst u FC

37:49

Barcelona losing to Madre one

37:52

mail Um, and then I have a question

37:55

for Folly and Seaton. Who

37:58

do you guys consider the strike for

38:01

Ronaldo or MESSI thank

38:04

you, thank you, John, thank you quickly,

38:07

guys. The best striker between those two Satan

38:10

Ronaldo? All day? Okay, Paul, Thierry,

38:12

Henry. I'm going off the board all right, Jesse

38:16

and Los Angeles is back, Hey, Jess. Best and worst

38:18

of the weekend, Hey, p

38:20

thank you man best. It's best and worst

38:23

in a comment. Best. I

38:25

was in Sedona, Arizona, off the grid,

38:27

hiking and climbing for five days, so I pretty much

38:29

missed all sports and it was a nice break. But

38:32

worst. I came back last night and the first

38:34

sports I saw for the weekend was at the airport in Phoenix.

38:37

Caught the Packers meltdown against that game Verse

38:39

the Colts, and I wanted

38:41

to send my condolences to Clay Thompson. I know I'm

38:43

late. Happened last week, but as I said,

38:46

I didn't get any news, and I remember I'm going out for thirty

38:48

seven and a quarter verse my Sacramento Kings. And

38:50

I'm not sure if God exists, but if there's proof

38:52

its existence, I think you can look at Clay's

38:54

jumper. So best of luck in the speedy recovery. All

38:57

right, well, thank you Jesse in

39:00

Pennsylvania. Hey Mike, Hey

39:02

dann By,

39:05

not too bets. I wanted to use

39:07

the voice. I'm just your quick

39:10

story. I'm in a place I broke my

39:12

heels a few months ago, so I'm in a place where

39:14

we came down with PHOVID. So yeah, I'm just getting

39:16

over. So stay safe everybody.

39:19

UM. I my

39:21

best, and I'm shocked nobody got

39:23

to it was the post

39:27

locker room with the code from Indiana.

39:31

I'm surprised you saw his local cords. Yeah, Tom

39:33

Allen, Yeah he barely does. Yeah,

39:37

quick story there to night. So they came in to do my

39:40

vitals. Here to check my vitals,

39:43

and they happen to be showing that on TV when

39:45

one of the ads was like, oh my god,

39:47

that scares me. He looks scary, you know, and I

39:49

laughed. I said, I played for the guy. And she's

39:52

she said, oh my god, that's so scary. He looks

39:54

scary, and I was like, no, okay,

39:56

so and then my worst is penn

39:58

State. Ohen five, are

40:01

you kidding? And then you got

40:03

Michigan coming up this weekend. But thank

40:05

you, Mike, and hopefully on your road

40:08

to recover. He has palling. You know, what's every caller

40:10

today is prefacing their call with something they're doing

40:12

around the house, like Dan, I'm throwing out some drywall

40:14

in the baby room and Perdue got screwed with

40:16

that passers call. We're

40:19

just a companion there, We're there for

40:22

you. COVID was

40:24

great for this show just that you know, people

40:26

were able to stay in and stay at home and then

40:28

we could be a companion for that. And my timing

40:30

belt needs replacing. In Panics, Junior,

40:32

that draft prospect what yeah,

40:38

yeah, I'm struggling with this green being casserole

40:41

recipe. But hey, Lamar Jackson's

40:44

in trouble, but that's

40:46

okay. And you know, have you

40:48

been around people when they give you the details

40:50

of their surgery. Being

40:52

in a family where the other side of the family

40:55

is Italian, they always

40:58

in graphic detail, We'll tell you, sir, and

41:00

usually at the dinner table.

41:04

Nothing like a good pasta

41:07

and with red sauce gravy,

41:09

and they want to tell you about gold

41:11

bladders during the men Yeah, yep, yep,

41:13

yep, yep, yep, add a pint of fluid taken out

41:16

of my lower back. Yeah, it

41:18

looks it looks like, you know, these

41:21

old fashions that we're drinking. I'll be damn it,

41:23

can't still see the incision DP here.

41:25

Let me pull down my pants and show you this sports

41:27

hern you no, no, no, no no, but

41:30

that's what you'll get. And right if

41:32

you said, right before you're gonna start dinner, you're

41:35

talking about anything, but we sit down

41:37

and it's as if you sit down and

41:40

somebody's got gory detail to tell you about. With

41:42

dinner done, with dinner, get up. Nobody

41:44

mentions anything about that. Amazing,

41:47

it's quite it's quite a trait that they

41:49

have. Let's go around the

41:51

room. Final results of the poll question first McClement,

41:54

which team is really in trouble? The Baltimore

41:56

Ravens, followed closely by the Queen Bay

41:58

Packers. All Right, to go around the room. What we learned

42:00

on this award nominated program A Seaton.

42:02

I'll start with you that Odell Beckham junior

42:04

catch may have been a bad thing for his career. Well

42:07

certainly raised expectations, and that was

42:09

six years ago tonight, that that happened against

42:11

the Dallas Cowboys, Todd? What did

42:14

you learn today? It's starting to look like

42:16

the Ravens could be bullied a little bit. They're not the

42:18

same team lately, all right, McLevin. Chris

42:20

sim says that Ben Roethlisberger is serially

42:23

underrated and then leaves him off his top ten list.

42:26

He underrated somebody who he says is

42:28

underrated? Paulie,

42:30

What did you learn today? Your Bengals need some offensive

42:32

line? Yeah, just a couple. What did I learned today?

42:35

Todd? It blows Chris Mannox's

42:37

mind that the Hornets are going to pay thirty year old Gordon here

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at one hundred and twenty million dollars over the next four

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42:59

candidate for the Floor Degators Kyle Trask,

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and the actor Josh Dumel joining

43:03

us on the program have a safe Monday.

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Talk to you tomorrow. Dan Patrick Show