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You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show

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on Fox Sports Radio.

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Everybody, It's me Jason McIntyre,

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joined by the esteemed Rob

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Parker. We are in for

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Dan Patrick and the Dan Ats here on

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Friday, November twenty seventh,

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Black Friday. Rob, How you

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doing, man, I'm doing great, Jason.

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Happy Thanksgiving. Hope you and the family

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had a great time

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together. I know we weren't having a

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big get togethers, but family is still

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good, right And food? Did you have a good one,

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No doubt about it. Rob. We've been

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quarantining with several other families

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locally, and uh, you know, we got together for

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a little healthy, socially

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distanced Thanksgiving, a lot of fun. Too bad

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the football stunk. I'm glad

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you said that because that's one of my things.

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Everybody's always Rand and Raven. How great the

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NFL is. The football was horrible

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yesterday to watch and every

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NFL game is not great, and we saw

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that yesterday. But Jason, you

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did say today's Black Friday. I did have to

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tell you that every Friday's

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Black Friday for me. I just want you to know.

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I see I follow you on social media, all

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you shopping up, buying your Jordans

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and flossing with all your big, big

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money and having fun and spending it. I'm

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not as spend thrift as you are. Robbed. So

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when you're married, you got a couple of kids.

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You know, I'm at a different point in life, you know

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what I mean. Yeah, you got

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you got the good life. You got the good life with

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the family and the kids. I'm just the you

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know, bachelor trying to find some time

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in Vegas or you know what I mean, trying

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to get a little enjoyment out of a pair

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of sneakers or something. But

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I must admit, you know, obviously

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people aren't shopping the way that they used to,

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you know, like this used to be crazy. People used

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to get up at four o'clock in the morning, Jason,

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you know, and and head to the stores. Right.

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Um, obviously that's not the case.

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So I don't I don't even know if

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I'm shopping at all today. It'll be you're

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interesting. On the drive in here to the studio,

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I drove by a game stop video

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game shot people outside. That was the only

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place I saw where there was a huddle. There was like fifteen

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people. I guess they're trying to get the new

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PlayStation five or whatever it is video

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games for their kids. But here's my deal. I just

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get everything online now, don't you Most

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of the stuff I still enjoy.

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I do like going out to the mall

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once in a while just to walk around. Don't

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you like to? You know what I mean? I get

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it. It's so convenient. The

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only thing is buying clothes. Sometimes,

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you know, they look nice in the you

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know, the display or whatever online

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and then you get it at home and then to try it on,

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they don't always fit. So sometimes I do like

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to buy clothes when I need to

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try it on and see what it looks like. I know everything

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else. Yeah, I knew a lot of my gambling online

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as well, and I was ready to fire on the Baltimore

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Ravens. Yes, I was going to back them against

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Pittsburgh last night. I

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know that sounds crazy. Who's been on Baltimore

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right now? I would have been on Baltimore as well. I agree

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with you, because there's seasons

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on the brink, Jason. They really

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needed to win that game. That's

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how big it is, because right now, if

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the playoffs started there on the outside looking

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in, you know, so they needed that

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win. But Obviously, the big news, of

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course, is Lamar

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Jackson, Lamar Jacksonville. I

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mean, what a fault, what a precipitous fall

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this has been for Lamar and Rob. You know, I

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do my daily podcast, Straight Fire, and

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about four weeks into the season, I noticed

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something was off with Lamar and I started,

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you know, taking some shots. I'm like, this guy's not throwing for

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two hundred yards. Defenses are starting to catch

3:36

up with him. And I sort of compared what happened

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to him with Colin Kaepernick. If you remember,

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they have the same offensive coordinator, Greg Roman

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and Kaepernick. The first time he came in

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in San Frand with Jim Harball as the head coach,

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he was lights out. They went all the way to the super Bowl

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and don't and don't forget this. Yeah,

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Ron Jaworski, you know, the former

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NFL quarterback and analysts went

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gaga over Alan Kaepernick in

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the beginning. If you remember, Jason, he said

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he could be the greatest quarterback ever. That's

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how you know what I mean. He came out

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of the box and was almost unstoppable.

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But people get film on you and then they

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adjust, and then the big thing

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is always you have to readjust

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you know what I mean, Like like after

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they kind of figure you out a little bit and what your

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tendencies are, that doesn't mean it happens to

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everybody. This is not just about Lamar Jackson.

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This is about everybody, and you try to figure

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out what can we do to

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alter the guy. I don't know that it's about everybody.

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I'm just saying, Manning, you couldn't adjust for Nobody's

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adjusted for Patrick Mahomes. Ye know what I'm

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saying. But you know what he does. And

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all I'm saying is you try. I'm not saying

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you're gonna be successful. It's

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like Mariano Rivera when he pitched for the Yankees.

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The cutter's coming, and guess what, Nobody

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can hit the cutter right his whole career. So

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so don't get me wrong. I just

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I've watched Lamar and I don't want to say he's

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got happy feet in the pocket. And I'm not fully blaming

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Lamar, but when you look at his receiving

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corps, it's it's laughable

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and rob. I mean, seriously, let's look

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at the other teams with quarterbacks on their rookie

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deal. Josh Allen, Buffalo Bills. What do

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they do? We gotta go get him some help. Let's get Stefan

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Diggs. What do the Cardinals do. We gotta

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get Kyler Murray some help. Let's get him Hopkins.

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What has Baltimore done? They went out and got Jess

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Bryant, a guy who's been on his sofa like

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you and I for the last two years on Sundays. Yeah,

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watch Jony football. That's not doing anything for Lamar

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Jackson yet. But Lamar's

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not that kind of a pass or so receivers

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like that, why would they want to come and

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play? That's not what the game is. When when

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he's doing what he's doing,

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which was being a unanimous MVP last

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year, it wasn't about long passes.

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It was about him running, setting

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up and then if you remember go back to last

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year, a great game for him

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would be like fifteen for nineteen,

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you know, two hundred and ten yards. You

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know, like it wasn't like he was

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thrown for four hundred yards or anything. He

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was hard to stop and it wasn't

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about the receivers. It was about him. And

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that's why I think it's harder to

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go out and get a big time receiver when this guy's

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not slinging the ball all over the place. True,

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But if you asked Stefan Diggs, hey man, do you

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want to go to Buffalo and play with Josh Allen,

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It's like, why would I want to do that? I got

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I'm with Kirk Cousins. But he had a falling out

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with Cousins if you remember, on the sideline, very

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unhappy. But I don't totally

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blame it on Lamar Jackson. I also

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blame the offensive coordinator Roman, who has

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not adjusted and Rob last year they

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would throw to set up the run,

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and then the second half they would just run over teams

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with that offense. And Lamar passed

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for over three thousand yards last year. I think

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he was, if not the first, the second

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player in NFL history three thousand yards passing,

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one thousand yards rushing. Well yeah, Kyler

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rushing part. Kyler Murray's gonna go for four thousand

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this year passing and a thousand rushing. And

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you know, I asked this question

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to some people, like who would you rather have going

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forward the next three years, Kyler Murray

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Lamar Jackson. Well, I mean that's easy,

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it's easy, right, Well, that's easy to say

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now because of where everybody

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is um and and but but

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Kyler Murray's record despite

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the numbers you're talking about, I mean, they're

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a hail Marry away from being a five

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hundred team. Let's just be honest, Jason. So

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he can pile up the numbers without that

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win in Buffalo, right, because they couldn't

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even follow that that went up against

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Seattle. All I'm saying is if

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you take away that Hail Murray.

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I don't know if you're saying that because the

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numbers would be good, but there would be a five

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hundred team but may also play in the toughest

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division in the NFL. It is what it is. I

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get that in the Rams twice. Who

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else I got Seattle twice? You know, you basically

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got two super Bowl contenders there. The forty nine ers

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went to the super Bowl last year, another beat up this

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year. Totally different. But I

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hear you, I hear you. But I'm just saying, let's

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be honest. I mean, there

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they could be a five hundred team despite

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those numbers and despite Hopkins. That's where

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they could be. So where do you think that this

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the league goes from here? The game as

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of now is still on Raven Steelers

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for Sunday. I don't see that game. Yeah,

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how can they play that game? I just

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don't. And if I'm Baltimore and

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you know, there's a chance that there could be more

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more players, you know, a few

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more test depositive and obviously your quarterback,

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your season's on the brink. I mean,

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if I'm if I'm Baltimore, I don't want

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the game to be played. But here's the problem

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with the NFL. Okay, Pittsburgh currently the

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best team in the league, undefeated, and

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they're headed toward maybe home field advantage

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in the playoffs, and you can't have them

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play one less game than the Kansas

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City Chiefs. And where do you make up this game because

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all the BIE weeks are done. So but this is where

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the NFL made a mistake. I think

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coming into the season, the

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notion that you would have a full season

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baseball went from one sixty two Jason

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the sixty Okay, the NBA played

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less, the NHL played less. The

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NFL should have worked out a

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twelve game schedule with some breaks

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in the schedule. There used to be a

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twelve game NFL season,

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so it's not inconceivable, but

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they needed to leave space so

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that you can make up games. How did they

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think that the coronavirus wasn't going to

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attack the NFL and

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wasn't going to derail a postpone game. They

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left no wiggle room. That's the problem.

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And you're right, So what do you

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do? Do you have to at some point? Do

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you have to go, Jason and go buy winning

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percentage and not having the same amount

9:32

of games played if you can't get

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them in? Are you pushing the Super Bowl

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back to March or April?

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Right? Okay, so this is what I'm saying.

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So how do you make it up? Okay? And god forbid,

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if there's another outbreak on a

9:45

team, what would you do? Well, you know, you could

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tell them, hey, this is on you, guys. We're

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not going to penalize the Pittsburgh Steelers for

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doing their job and avoiding COVID and

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being healthy. Okay, Rob, This is not all

9:56

that different from a group

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project in biology in tenth

10:00

grade and one guy doesn't want to do any

10:03

of the work, doesn't want to do anything, he doesn't show

10:05

up for the meetings, and then he says he'll put

10:07

my name on that. Well, no, you didn't do your part. Well,

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you're not getting it. You're not getting credit for this. The Pittsburgh

10:11

Steelers have done their part. They should not

10:14

be penalized. If I'm the NFL, I say,

10:16

you know what, Baltimore, call up some practice squad,

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guys. We're playing this game on Sunday.

10:20

But the only problem is, I think you're being

10:22

very hard on teams that are hit by COVID

10:24

because some people, Jason, you gotta be honest,

10:27

think they're doing the right thing and it's

10:29

not you know, it's without malice.

10:32

They're not a purposely going

10:34

out. But if but if you slip

10:36

up and touch a doorknob or you know

10:38

what, or something where you think you're

10:40

doing everything else right, you

10:42

can still catch it. There's a lot of people who have

10:45

caught it who thought they were following

10:47

all the protocol. So it's not like you're

10:49

going out to a bar and you don't have a mask

10:52

on. If you're doing that kind of stuff, then I

10:54

got Then I get it, you know, and those people

10:56

should be punished for not following protocol.

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But you gotta be careful not to just paint

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everybody who gets it and says

11:03

that they aren't doing what they're supposed to.

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This is a very contagious thing, right, No,

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No, certainly, not blaming anybody forgetting

11:10

it, but it's clear some people are doing

11:12

a better job or trying. I mean,

11:14

you read the story for sure about the Baltimore

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Ravens strength and conditioning coach Okay

11:19

failed to report symptoms, didn't

11:21

consistently wear his mask or a tracking

11:23

device, and they're saying he is the

11:25

one who could have contributed to all these guys

11:27

on the Ravens catching COVID. I just

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it's tough for me to penalize the Pittsburgh

11:33

Steelers here and screw them over out

11:35

of potentially the number one seed and rob the only

11:38

issue with pushing the season back.

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Okay, let's say you want to start the playoffs a week later.

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Well, most teams will sit their

11:45

starters in week seventeen, right, you don't want

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anybody to get hurt right before the playoffs. So

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then if you sit your starters in your Pittsburgh

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or Casey or whoever in the NFC, and

11:54

then you have the week off, the bye week because

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you're the number one seed, and then you build

11:58

in another week, you're looking at putten. Actually

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three weeks off between when

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you last played, and that's a huge disadvantage

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and I'm playing football for three weeks. Yes, And

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also what you a factored in is

12:10

between now and the end of the season, what

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if there's some more cancelations or post

12:14

you know what I mean? Like like this is if

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everything were to stop right here and now,

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the way you just put that scenario out, what

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if there's more and there's other games. So that's

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what I'm saying. So that's why this is a weird

12:25

one. Because the Ravens play on Thursday

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night against Dallas. They

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set it up both teams coming off Thanksgiving games.

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So now the Ravens are a huge disadvantage

12:34

in that Thursday game. But at the same time,

12:36

you can't push Sunday's game to Monday. Mostly

12:39

around the league, you could push a Sunday game to

12:41

Monday if you need to, even a Tuesday. But

12:44

I just I don't like penalizing those who are

12:46

putting in the time and doing the work and

12:49

they're getting shafted here. I mean, did you

12:51

see how angry the Pittsburgh players were on

12:54

social media when the Ravens all these guys started

12:56

testing that. I thought that was over the top and insensitive

12:58

given where were you on the country and a

13:00

surge and you know, people

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out of work and people

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dying, and they're belly aching about a football

13:07

game. Jason, I can't get on board. I

13:09

thought it came off looking

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very insensitive to people and very

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look at us, we matter, we

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we it's all about us. We

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don't care what's happening. There's a surge

13:23

going on. Do they understand

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what's happened in the country. This ain't

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about a damn football game. I thought

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it came off very, very insensitive

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to the masses who

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I don't know that I can disagree with you more there, Rob,

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I mean like they're upset because the

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Baltimore Ravens ruined it for them. Not don't

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even get it, But

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do you see what's happening in the country is on all mask

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and you're Jason like this this isn't like

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everything else around around the

13:51

world and around this country has

13:53

UH has slowed down and things were great

13:56

and you know as far as the numbers going down,

13:58

and then the Ravens were or were reckless

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and they did something. No, there's a surge

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happening everywhere. That's all I'm saying,

14:05

Is it just sounds like big babies like

14:08

football want what do you want everything to do? Shut?

14:11

You want to go full shutdown again. No, I'm

14:13

just saying you gotta everything

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is fluid and you gotta roll with it. You

14:17

can't belly ache that you can't play

14:19

a football game. That's all I'm saying. It just

14:21

comes off on social media. If you can

14:24

think about what you're putting out. Isn't that

14:26

what social media is for, just belly aching and

14:28

whining and yelling at people and being angry.

14:30

So Calias Campbell of the ravens um,

14:33

I guess you know the league is pushing forward

14:35

with this game. Uh, this just came down here

14:37

in the last ten minutes. Um. Apparently

14:40

the NFL Competition Committee is adding

14:42

roster flexibility right, sixteen man

14:44

practice squads, unlimited IR and

14:47

they're saying, hey, we may just have to play.

14:49

Calias Campbell says, we just want to contain

14:51

this outbreak. Speaking from experience,

14:54

you don't want to catch COVID. This virus is

14:56

brutal. I pray no one else has to go through

14:58

this. This is bigger than football. Just echoing

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a lot of what you're saying. Yeah, I'm not saying that

15:03

this is not a big deal. Bro, I've been when

15:05

we were at the super Bowl together. Rob Right. Fox

15:08

hosted the Super Bowl in January and COVID

15:10

was just starting to pop in

15:13

I believe it was Seattle, and I

15:15

got nervous. I called my dad, who lives down

15:17

there in Florida. I said, yo, Dad, I went to a couple of

15:19

stores. I can't find an N

15:21

ninety five mask. Can you look for one?

15:24

And he's in Fort Lauderdale. He drives to a bunch of stores,

15:26

find some at like home depot. Twenty

15:29

minutes later. Away, I drive up to

15:31

Lauderdale, get the N ninety five mask, I

15:33

get gloves, and I go on the plane on the way

15:35

back from the super Bowl and people

15:38

would looking at me like I'm a nut job, Like wait, you're

15:40

wearing mask and a gloves on an airplane, and there

15:42

were a couple of other masks, and I

15:45

just I just was like, I don't

15:47

want to take a chance. I haven't flown since

15:50

the middle of February. Rob we went to we went

15:52

on a quick getaway after the football season. We

15:55

do it every year, and we flew out to Cabo

15:57

and by the time we got back it was like, all

16:00

right, everything's headed toward a shutdown, and

16:02

Rob, we're very serious about this, Okay, I don't mess

16:05

around. I'm always wearing masks. We haven't been

16:07

really in anybody's house. Nobody's

16:09

been in our house. You know, we're doing our best

16:11

job to stay safe out there. But we

16:14

saw the NBA successful with the bubble. I

16:16

don't Can you get a bubble for the NFL playoffs? Rop?

16:18

Can that happen? That's a

16:21

good question, possibly, especially

16:23

if you're not doing a Fans

16:26

aren't going to be a part of it, you know what I mean? If

16:28

you can just say to yourself, we're gonna take

16:30

the l on the fans. I know that some teams have had

16:32

fans or whatnot. How many just Cowboys

16:34

have yesterday? Did they have twenty

16:38

something like that? Yeah? Yeah, people showed

16:40

up, man, I give them credit. I

16:42

went to the World Series in Dallas, you know, at

16:44

the New Stadium there, and I

16:47

was there for and they only had twelve thousand

16:49

and people all had their gloves on and

16:52

their masks. I didn't have any issue, man, I

16:54

thought it was well done. They took your

16:56

temperature when you came in. You know what, I mean Jason

16:59

like it was well done. Yeah.

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Peacock Act. Rob and I have hosted

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plenty of shows together, usually the first

17:26

hour of Smooth Sailing, and then we start arguing

17:28

about something, whether it's we're on being

17:30

the greatest of all time, Tom Brady being

17:32

the greatest of all time. I don't know. Rob will find something

17:35

to get angry about, but on one thing we agree.

17:37

Rob and I grew up as journalists,

17:39

right newspaper guys, and

17:43

it's kind of an industry that's struggling a lot

17:45

right now as the media landscape

17:47

is shifting online

17:50

journalism as a thing. And you know, we got a guest

17:52

coming up right here who was at Bleacher

17:54

Report and he just launched a pretty cool long

17:57

form football journalism site. His name is

17:59

t are done Tye. Good morning man, How are

18:01

you welcome to the show. Good

18:04

morning, fellas Man. Great to be here, Thanks

18:06

so much for having me. Yeah, thanks for

18:08

joining us. And you know, it's pretty

18:10

clear reading your stuff, really enjoy

18:12

it. It's the sites golong tv dot

18:15

com. Uh, you know, Tye, I was

18:17

digging into your Josh Allen story and we just don't

18:19

see that anymore. We don't see these

18:21

long pieces where you could really sink your teeth

18:23

into it and learn something because you

18:26

know, we've we've heard about the attention span of

18:28

everybody, and people click on

18:31

outrageous stuff, they don't really click on smart

18:33

stuff. I don't know. I talk to us about

18:35

what your endeavor was

18:37

and what you plan to do here, no

18:40

doubt, Jason, I mean, you just nailed it. I'm

18:42

hoping that this is really a niche

18:44

out there. I've just seen where sports

18:47

media, you know, in terms of the written word, is is

18:50

going. Obviously, it's it's kind

18:52

of going to one hundred forty character

18:54

bites, um just memes

18:57

takes. That that's where

18:59

every thing is kind of going, I guess

19:01

in twenty twenty and beyond. So just

19:03

just seeing that direction and wanting

19:06

to, you know, maybe bet on myself a little

19:08

bit and seeing others have success with this.

19:10

It just seemed like the right timing, and I think it was the

19:12

right timing too, just at this point

19:14

in my career kind of covering this league for a little

19:17

over a decade and having a lot of relationships

19:20

from being at the Milwaukee Journal setting Will covering the

19:22

Packers to the Bills at the Buffalo News and Bleach

19:24

Report, by doing the whole NFL here as a futures

19:27

driver for four and a half years or

19:29

so, I just thought it was like an in a spot

19:31

where I could kind of take this plunge

19:33

into self employment and just you

19:36

know, do these long form stories, whether it's the inner

19:38

workings of the team, like kind of

19:40

like the Packers story. We did a Bleach Report a couple

19:42

of years ago to in depth profile

19:44

sitting down with guys that the reception

19:46

has been unbelievable. I've been reached

19:48

out to a lot of players and they're all about it. So I

19:51

just hoping to put this out there and if folks want

19:53

to get on board and subscribe and they

19:55

like it, I think it's it's got a lot of potential.

19:58

I'm hopeful. I'm gonna say I

20:01

don't think that this is a bad idea

20:03

from this standpoint that sixty

20:05

minutes has been around since nineteen sixty eight,

20:08

and it's long form journalism

20:10

on television that people always thought people

20:12

had no attention span for. But

20:15

if you do good stuff and you and

20:17

you really dive into stuff that's interested

20:20

people who like to read and are

20:22

you know, interested in stuff, and

20:25

all you need is a solid base

20:28

of those people, you know what I mean. There's a lot

20:30

of fringe people who just aren't going to be interested

20:32

in it, and that's fine. It's not for everybody,

20:35

but I think there's a place here. What's

20:38

the game plan as far as you said

20:40

people can subscribe? You know,

20:43

how how do people subscribe? How much does it

20:45

cost? And then you know, how

20:47

often are you putting out these kind of pieces,

20:49

you know what I mean where people can actually

20:52

chime in that that's a great

20:54

questions definitely what I wrestled with too.

20:57

You know, how do you kind of make

20:59

this work, you know, in terms of a publication

21:02

and they can they can subscribe

21:04

right on the website, like you said, it's golong

21:06

td dot com on subsex

21:09

platform, which has just been fantastic us

21:11

and right now our rate is seven

21:14

dollars a month, you know, a couple couple cups

21:16

of coffee, or seventy dollars a year, And

21:19

early on I am opening up stories

21:21

for free just so folks can kind of get a sense

21:24

for the type of stories I'm gonna do. Obviously,

21:27

they can subscribe at anytime, not going to discourage

21:29

that, but yeah, just chet this out

21:31

and if you like it subscribed, you can get

21:33

on the email list free or paid

21:36

at any time. And in terms of the cadence

21:38

of everything, I think, I'm

21:41

not thinking, I know this is what it's gonna be on

21:43

Mondays where we are going to have some type

21:45

of Feat three analysis wrap

21:48

up of everything you saw on Sundays, and then once

21:50

they get into an extended Q

21:53

and A with a current player, a

21:55

former player, somebody who's is just gonna be honest

21:57

and maybe say something really from the heart,

22:00

something they really they really believe. Thursday,

22:02

we will do a player profile, uh,

22:05

somebody that just has something interesting to say,

22:07

has an interesting story that's different from

22:09

the minusia that you may get out there. And then Friday

22:12

will be our signature piece. I think every Friday

22:14

I want to put out something that hopefully

22:17

has folks, you know, opening up and stop

22:19

what they're doing and want to read it so well.

22:21

Like I said, if it's a niche, it's not for everybody.

22:24

Maybe they watched the click out on

22:26

social media, but I'm hoping there's still folks out there.

22:29

I think there there are. Let me Jason jumping

22:31

again with with I've need you guys to

22:33

do a full blown interworkings

22:37

piece on the pitiful Detroit

22:39

Lions who have won one playoff

22:41

game since nineteen fifty seven, and

22:44

what is the issue. You

22:46

know, football supposed to be about parody

22:48

and it doesn't take you long to go from worse

22:51

to first and you know what I mean, if

22:53

you play your cards right, But there's

22:55

got to be an interworking story about

22:57

the Lions and why the

23:00

thing hasn't worked for decades. You

23:03

know what. The Lions, to me are

23:06

are just really similar to even the Vikings

23:08

in the division, which we'll have a story

23:10

on the Vikings coming out later today,

23:12

but just a team that it's like you kind

23:14

of can convince yourself that you're a contender,

23:17

right, Like I get it. The pressure

23:19

to win now is is so high, especially with Matt

23:21

petersbab plan. You know, there's nine fans

23:23

that have been wrestless for a while, so they want to win now,

23:26

so they take a cornerback first instead of

23:28

a quarterback, which in retrospect, I

23:30

think everybody would have to agree, right, you hit

23:33

reset every possible way, coach

23:36

GM quarterback sometimes

23:39

it's best, and you know, every ownership

23:41

group is kind of different with how they approach it.

23:43

But in terms of the Vikings

23:45

and the Lions, I'm looking back in retrospect,

23:49

it would have been wise just to completely

23:51

start over, because you can you can get caught

23:53

into no man's land when you're are seven

23:55

and nine, six and ten and and just the

23:57

same problems keep coming up, and yeah, you gotta Matt Effort.

24:00

Yeah you got a Kirk Cousins. You're gonna win some

24:02

games. But I don't know.

24:05

It'd be hard to look in the mirror and make

24:07

that decision as an owner. But

24:09

sometimes that the hardest decisions are the

24:11

right decisions. Ty let me ask you this.

24:14

So you had mentioned about the issues

24:16

with journalism going forward. So I was

24:19

in newspapers I went to college. I was like, oh, I

24:21

love newspapers. I had internships by

24:24

the time I got out of college, the Internet had

24:26

kind of popped. I spent like two or

24:28

three years in newspapers and realized, like, listen, this

24:30

is there's no money in this. I can't make a

24:32

living wage of working in a newspaper. And

24:35

I got you know, I got into magazines and started the website

24:37

the big lead and ended up selling it. Got kind of lucky

24:39

there. But social media seems

24:42

to have really changed things. Back in like two thousand

24:44

and five, two thousand and six, social media

24:46

was not a huge thing. Facebook was kind of on campuses.

24:49

There was no Twitter yet. How much do you

24:51

think social media has changed the journalism

24:53

game? And do you think it's just too

24:56

far gone that you know, legacy

24:58

magazines like Sports Illustrated and

25:01

you know, waking up to read the newspaper in the morning,

25:03

that stuff is just over and it's all gonna

25:05

be online now. It's

25:08

funny to hear, do you say that, Jason? Because I

25:10

can remember being a therapuse. This

25:12

would have been two thousand and nine and it was

25:14

like a public speaking class, and I take

25:17

for the for whatever we were doing in that day. I

25:20

was talking about Twitter, it introducing

25:22

what Twitter was to the class, and two

25:24

people in like a class of twenty even knew

25:26

what it was. A lot has changed in

25:28

the decades since then. And I to

25:31

answer your question, it is

25:33

it can be demoralizing for somebody

25:36

like myself, like like you may believe too, is that somebody

25:38

who likes to read and consume information

25:41

and content, it can be

25:43

demoralized. And then it's just no, it's

25:46

a free flow of takes, a free

25:48

flow of gifts. It's just trying

25:51

to be funny. And don't get me wrong,

25:53

there's a lot of folks on there who are funny and

25:55

had things to say and joke around about. And before

25:58

you know it, you're clicking around and just wasted

26:00

an hour two hours. When I don't

26:02

know a good story, it might take

26:05

twenty minutes to read twenty five minutes to

26:07

read it. It is. It can be kind

26:09

of depressing that more people

26:11

seem to be going toward the former when you

26:14

think that, you know, I don't want to sit down and read

26:16

something, Well, you just waste the time, just screwed

26:19

around on Twitter or Facebook or Instagram.

26:22

Yeah, you're right. Are people waking up in the morning buying

26:24

a newspaper, torn a cup of coffee

26:27

and just kind of reading it, you know, outside

26:29

on the deck, probably not. But

26:31

I think there's still a lot of folks out there who if

26:34

if it's good, if you build it and it's good,

26:36

they'll come. If it's a good story and it's worth

26:38

reading and it gets shared, and hey,

26:40

that's where Twitter is amazing. I mean, you

26:43

can share stuff that is good and it's going

26:46

to reach a lot of folks, a lot of eyeballs. I

26:48

still think people will sacrifice

26:50

that time and view that time

26:52

as worth it to read, so that

26:55

that's absolutely going to be the aim here is it's

26:57

just trying try to tell stories that are

26:59

worth your time. And like we had the other

27:01

day with The Bill's owner, Terry

27:04

for gool coveting Patrick Mahomes, loving Patrick

27:06

Mahomes, almost drafting Patrick Mahomes and

27:09

they didn't do it. And here they got Josh Allen and there's

27:11

a lot of press around him. I hope these are the kind of

27:13

stories that the folks we want to read. I

27:16

still believe that there's a place for good

27:18

journalism. I don't believe that

27:20

like the New York Times, the La Times, the

27:23

Boston Globe, the Washington Post, great newspapers

27:25

will always be around just Jason

27:28

in a different form, and as soon

27:31

as they can figure out how to make money

27:33

off the internet. And that's still what people

27:35

are still trying to figure out. Because even

27:37

if you're on Twitter and people are giving away,

27:40

yes you might be reaching a lot of people and

27:42

whatnot, but you're giving away your information

27:45

and you're giving away right for no

27:47

cost to most people, and until

27:49

they can figure out how to monetize

27:52

it, and they and they

27:55

will figure it out. Because when I was in the newspaper

27:57

business and the internet first started and

28:00

they were given away the newspaper online

28:02

back then, I was like, I don't understand

28:05

it. If this was a bakery and you're giving away

28:07

to bread, we'll be out of business. How

28:09

are you giving away you know, your content?

28:11

Because they thought the newspaper itself

28:15

was the product, not the content, do

28:17

you know what I mean? That's what they thought was what

28:19

was the product. So I think that there's

28:22

room for good journalism and good

28:25

luck because I do believe there are people

28:27

out there who want knowledge. I

28:29

appreciate it. Man. I guess that's where sub stack

28:32

I'm hoping is is ahead of the curve.

28:34

With it's you know, there's no advertising there's

28:36

really no corporate overlords. It's direct,

28:39

you know, consumer producer.

28:41

You're you are giving the reader

28:44

your stuff. If they like it, they'll pay for it.

28:46

If they don't, they don't have to. And I kind

28:48

of like that simplicity, so I really appreciate it,

28:50

guys. Thanks for letting me spread the work here, all

28:52

right, ty Dunn follow him on social media at

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ty do you n any and sign

28:57

up for his football long form

28:59

journey is sub Stack newsletter.

29:01

It sounds awesome, Tie, and I'll be signing up

29:03

today. Thanks a lot, man, awesome,

29:06

Thanks so much, guys, appreciate it all

29:08

right, He's Tyler done. Listen, Rob, you and I

29:10

grew up on newspapers,

29:13

man. I would remember my dad would wake up to go to work

29:15

every morning. He had a government job, and he would

29:17

leave it about like, you know, five forty five six,

29:19

and I would wake up at six o'clock. He would bring the

29:22

newspaper in and the first thing I would say was, hey,

29:24

Dad, can I get the sports section? And Rob,

29:26

you know what he would tell me every day. You know, Jason,

29:29

you need to read more than just spots. I know

29:31

you like sports, you play sports. And

29:34

I was always reluctant and rob all

29:36

I've done in the last fifteen years, Like

29:39

I try to read books that are not sports.

29:42

I span the knowledge. That's the one thing I get.

29:44

These college kids DM me me on Instagram every

29:46

week. Hey Jason, how do you crack in? How the heck

29:48

do you get ahead? And that's what I say. I say,

29:51

Listen, you gotta read sports stuff, but

29:53

also read non sports. How much non sports

29:55

do you read? No? I read non sports.

29:57

I'm I'm I'm into you know. You know me.

29:59

I'm a world traveler. I love to know about

30:02

the rest of the world, what's going on, things

30:05

happening. But when I was a

30:07

kid growing up in New York, I read

30:09

three newspapers a day. At nine years

30:11

old, Jason, I used to read daily

30:14

News in the morning to school,

30:17

the New York Post on the way home,

30:19

and then I had a paper route. I delivered the Long

30:21

Island Press when I was a kid,

30:24

so I had three I read three newspapers

30:26

every day, cover to cover. You know,

30:28

one of the issues right now is that it feels

30:30

like news has become politicized. If you're

30:33

not on a side, you know, pick a side

30:35

and go all in on that side. Then people don't

30:37

really want to read you. I think people there's

30:39

so many options out there, Rob, that people

30:42

want to read there what confirms their thoughts.

30:44

You know, they don't want to read the you know, hey,

30:47

this guy's right down the middle. They don't want that. They want

30:49

what's on their side. I think that's a little troubling.

30:51

Do you not think that, Yes,

30:53

because that's not where it's supposed to be, you know,

30:56

But but that's where we are. It doesn't mean we'll always

30:58

be there. Things can change. I

31:01

know what the smart guys do. The smart thing to do, Rob

31:03

is and I think this was in the book The Art

31:06

of War Sun Zoo is you

31:08

have to know your opponent. And in

31:10

sports, you can't just read your side

31:12

to get an appreciation for what the heck

31:15

is going to happen. You've got to know both sides of the argument.

31:17

Every lawyer who's ever been in a courtroom knows,

31:19

Okay, I know what I'm saying. I know to defend my guy,

31:22

what are they going to say? So you got to know for the other

31:24

side. I totally agree. I was probably

31:26

one of the biggest Rush Limbaugh listeners.

31:28

You know what I mean. I used to listen, even

31:31

though I didn't, you know, follow along with his politics.

31:34

But I did want to hear both sides. I really

31:36

did, and what was the buzz on

31:39

the other side of the aisle? So I

31:41

did listen. I don't agree with I

31:44

don't want to hear anything that's different from what I

31:46

believe in our saying that. I think that's a crazy

31:48

world. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick

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31:53

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31:55

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live on the Peacock app. Nice morning

32:05

in Los Angeles, he little brisk,

32:07

I would say, Rob, have you been outside today?

32:10

No? But yeah, it looks a little brisk

32:13

and uh, even in the apartment I got

32:15

on to I had to slip on a

32:17

little pull over. You know what I mean? What

32:19

do you? Where are you rocking? Polo? Little Tommy Hill

32:22

figure was a little Nike little Nike pull

32:24

over and Rob loves to get outfitted by them.

32:26

I only wear the stuff they send me. You know, I'm not buying

32:28

their stuff. They don't need my money, but I will

32:30

gladly wear the stuff they send me. Rob,

32:33

h, you got any TB twelve gear? What

32:38

was that? Jason? You got you got any TB twelve

32:40

gear? No? TB twelve? Are you kidding?

32:42

All right? Listen, does that come with jall

32:44

or no? I'm just trying to figure it out. He's not that

32:47

old. He just needs to go to bed earlier. Looks

32:49

bad. Let me set

32:51

it up, okay, and you guys need

32:53

to I need to preface this by saying Tom

32:55

Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time

32:57

bar none. That is, there's no debate, there's no disguy,

33:00

he has six rings, he's the best. Okay.

33:02

He has been very good this

33:05

year when not facing top

33:08

ten defenses. It's pretty

33:10

clear what the defenses are doing.

33:12

The elite past defenses know how to stop Brady.

33:14

Against everyone else, he's shredding them.

33:17

Okay, it's I mean, chuck it and

33:19

duck it. Tom Brady is getting

33:21

the job done now. His other problem between

33:24

facing elite defenses is the night

33:26

games. Okay, we know Tom Brady

33:28

does worse than Jay Leno in primetime. All

33:31

right, we're talking about a guy who's owing four against

33:33

the spread this year in primetime

33:35

games. But the Chase game Sunday

33:38

is at four twenty five. It's not at night, Rob.

33:40

I'm telling you right now. If

33:43

you are a gambling man and you can stomach

33:45

it, sometimes I like to say, you know, you gotta

33:47

hold your nose and take some of these ugly underdogs.

33:50

Nobody is going to be backing that Tampa

33:52

Bay Buccaneers this week. Absolutely nobody

33:55

is putting their after tax dollars on

33:57

Tom Brady against Mahomes after what

33:59

everybody he saw on Monday night against the Rams.

34:01

Okay, the side this week, if

34:04

you can summach it is Tom Brady in

34:06

the Bucks. Chiefs are not a top ten pass defense.

34:08

They should move the ball. I don't know if they'll win, but

34:10

I like Tom Brady to show up here. We know

34:13

there's nobody better coming

34:15

back after an outright loss than Tom Brady.

34:17

All right, yours

34:21

fire when ready? First of all, I

34:23

want to call you out if you're so all

34:25

into Tom Brady, let's bet a pair of Jordans

34:28

on this game. When you want to do that, well,

34:30

now here's the thing. The Bucks are underdogs. I think they're

34:32

getting four or three and a half. I'll

34:35

bet you I'll bet you two pair of Jordans to

34:37

one. Okay, if you win,

34:39

I'll buy you two pair. All right, So I

34:42

all I gotta do is take three and a half. No, no, no,

34:44

you gotta win. You come

34:46

on on the money line. You gotta

34:48

win the game. I'm giving you two pair of Jordans

34:51

to one. It's real simple. That

34:53

tells you, tells me you don't believe in Tom

34:55

Brady. I believe him to cover the spread spread

34:58

you expect him to lose buy three. Is that what

35:00

you're saying while

35:02

you continue to bass Brady. I would look online

35:05

at some of the gambling shops and find out the money

35:07

line price. But go ahead, trash your guy, Brady. Go

35:09

ahead. I don't even have to do it because

35:12

Bruce arians the coach, has been doing

35:14

it and it's been great from the standpoint

35:16

of not protecting this guy. They

35:19

went and they bent over backwhich

35:21

for Tom Brady. They didn't bring

35:23

Tom Brady to Tampa to just make

35:25

the playoffs. This franchise hasn't made the playoffs

35:28

in twelve years. When you're bringing

35:31

at dinosaur quarterback at forty

35:33

three years old, you're bringing

35:35

them in to win, to go to the super Bowl, to give

35:37

yourself a chance to win a super Bowl,

35:40

not just to to to make

35:43

the playoffs. And here's the other part.

35:46

The teams he can beat, all the

35:48

teams that are in the way, Jason,

35:50

He's never made it to the Super Bowl as a as

35:54

a wildcard team

35:56

and not winning the division. The only

35:58

time they've ever won is when they've won the division.

36:01

And here they are when they played the better

36:03

teams. And even that green Bay game, green

36:06

Bay was up ten nothing in Tampa

36:08

and then Aaron Rodgers had the

36:11

bad danty office with a couple of you

36:13

know, picks, and

36:15

it just turned the whole game around and Green

36:17

Bay could never get back on track. But other

36:20

than that, they've struggled against

36:23

the better teams. And you're like, well,

36:25

you know, Kansas City's

36:27

not a top ten defense or whatever against

36:29

the past. Did you watch Tom

36:31

Brady. He can't even throw the

36:33

ball down field. And

36:35

that's why Bruce arians is like, we gotta

36:38

get better play from our quarterback. He's

36:40

on an oh for twenty two streak

36:43

of passes them more than twenty

36:45

yards downfield. This

36:47

isn't the dinkin dunk life.

36:50

He was living with Bill Belichick, and

36:52

then you can't be like well, Bruce

36:54

Arians is supposed to act like Bill

36:56

Belichick. If Tom Brady wanted

36:59

Bill Belichick should have stayed in New England.

37:02

Bruce Arians is a different guy. Look at all

37:04

the quarterbacks under his Under

37:06

his watch, all of them

37:08

suffered from throwing picks because they

37:11

all throw the ball down field. Everybody

37:15

thought, oh, you bring Brady in. All those

37:17

picks by Jamis Winston will go away

37:20

and that team that won seven games will

37:22

win twelve or thirteen with Tom Brady

37:24

and it would be a piece of cake. I

37:26

get the schedule down down the end

37:29

looks pretty easy, and they should be able to compile

37:32

some wins and make it to the playoffs. But

37:34

you can't have any confidence right now

37:38

and Tom Brady and this

37:40

team beating the good teams that you need

37:42

to beat in order to get to the super Bowl. So

37:45

I think Bruce Arians is spot on. Tom

37:48

Brady right here, right now is

37:51

the weak link. He's

37:55

the week league week link

37:57

for the Bucks. If you got

37:59

better a quarterback play, I don't know what their

38:02

record would be. Right. So they du Jai

38:05

this year than he had all of last year. They

38:08

dumped Jamis Winston to upgrade

38:10

to Brady and they're headed to the playoffs.

38:12

That's an undeniable flat fast. But that's

38:14

not why they got Tom Brady to just

38:17

make the playoffs. You know that's not the case, Jason.

38:20

I would agree, But there are you saying

38:22

they definitely are not going to the super Bowl,

38:25

Jeff, because they can't beat the Saints. Haven't beat the

38:27

Saints. Understandable. They got embarrassed once

38:29

and the other game, first game of the season. Rob,

38:32

I think you just got a step back. Your

38:34

hatred from Belichick. Just take a quick step

38:36

back. I don't know the man.

38:39

What do I mean. I don't hate him. You listen,

38:41

all you do is bass Brady and Belichick, and I get

38:43

that. Okay, But Tom Brady left

38:45

the Patriots and where are they right now? Where

38:48

are they? They are garbage.

38:50

They're not going to the playoffs, tom Brady. Tom

38:53

Brady leaves the Patriots. They are going downhill.

38:55

Uh. You know, you can make all the stock market jokes

38:58

you want. They are done. The Patriots are toast

39:00

because Brady's not there. Okay, Brady

39:02

goes to Tampa, and Tampa with

39:04

Jamis Winston number one pick could

39:07

not get to the playoffs. Tom Brady comes

39:09

in, They're going to the playoffs. Is almost

39:11

the exact same team. I don't get

39:14

the hate for Brady. Yes, he has struggled

39:16

at night outline, definitely, he has struggled

39:18

against top ten defenses. Let me remind

39:21

you, Rob Parker, this is a man in a new

39:23

city, with new teammates, with

39:25

a new head coach, with the new playbook.

39:27

These are not excuses, these are facts. I

39:30

think I'm gonna give Tom Brady a little bit more time.

39:32

Does he look washed, Yes, at times

39:34

he has looked washed. Peyton Manning looked washed

39:37

his final year in Denver, remember that Peyton

39:39

Manning and they said he was injured.

39:41

They said he was injured, but you know it was really like

39:44

ten Man in that Super Bowl had had

39:46

about a hundred yards and he got a Super Bowl

39:48

ring. He won. Yeah, but but that defense is

39:50

what won that Super Bowl. You know that that had nothing

39:53

to do with Peyton man That was a parting gif.

39:55

I agree, I agree, But a Super Bowl is

39:57

a super Bowl. Nobody's gonna take Trent Dilfer

40:00

super Bowl ring away because the Ravens and

40:02

the running game in the defense won in the super Bowl. He's

40:04

a Super Bowl champ. He could go on the speaking circuit

40:07

forever. So a ring is a ring

40:09

is a ring. Yeah, but but I think

40:11

you're you're really like lossing over.

40:14

This is not just talking heads on television

40:16

and radio talking about Tom Brady. This

40:19

is Bruce Arians. What if Bruce Arians

40:21

coach? Bruce Arians really good coach. He's

40:23

won plenty Okay, he won as a

40:25

coordinator with the Steelers. He's a good quarterback

40:28

coach. At some point he's

40:30

gonna have to say, you know what, my style

40:33

might have to be tweaked for Tom Brady

40:36

because he's not the quarterback that can

40:38

sling it sixty yards. He can't complete

40:40

anything over twenty are yards. Why did Tom Brady

40:42

agree to go to Tampa Bay knowing Bruce

40:45

Arians? Did he do his due diligence? Did

40:47

he do his homework if Tom were

40:49

the other options Chargers

40:53

and Anthony Lynn, because nobody wanted

40:55

to pay a forty three year old quarterback.

40:57

On the downside, that the

41:00

money to give Tom Brady, I

41:02

mean it's Tom Brady is the only quarterback

41:04

in the only player in the NFL who's

41:07

getting a paycheck Social Security

41:09

in his pension. All at the same time, you

41:12

just love going in on Brady again. I'm

41:15

going to cite the stats. Completions,

41:18

six point eight yards per attempt, twenty

41:20

five TV's nine interceptions. I

41:23

mean, is he a top ten quarterback in the league

41:25

right now? I think you've got to make that case. This

41:27

was a guy who before the Saints game two

41:30

or three weeks ago. Three

41:32

weeks ago, was this considered an MVP

41:34

cann Yes, he was touchdowns

41:38

against who? Well, all these times draws.

41:41

I mean, if you remove those Saints games where he has five

41:43

intercepts. Can't remove those Saints games

41:45

again, I'm not here. I'm just saying, if

41:47

you take out the Saints games where he's been bad,

41:50

the second one he was awful. In nine

41:52

games, he has twenty three

41:55

touchdowns and four

41:58

interceptions in nine games that aren't the

42:00

Saints. Okay, he's been very

42:02

good this year, Rob with the exception

42:04

against the tough teams. Well again, I'm

42:08

just even

42:10

the Packers win, Tom Brady

42:12

had one hundred and sixty yards. He wasn't

42:14

great, The defense was outstanding.

42:19

Is there like a yardage No, I'm just telling

42:21

you the field

42:23

and had three hundred yards and four touchdowns.

42:26

Tom Brady was set up on small, the

42:28

defense got the ball, and he was

42:30

twenty yards from the end zone and he was able

42:33

to facilitate that. That's all I'm saying,

42:36

Jason, just be honest. He's

42:38

not the same guy. And and all

42:40

the people who thought that you add

42:43

Tom Brady uh add uh

42:45

um add some uh, Antonio

42:48

Brown and and and and add

42:51

uh Leonard Fournette and stir

42:54

and add water and they were gonna win a championship.

42:57

That's just it just hasn't happened. And that's my

42:59

point where it hasn't happened. We're we're not

43:01

even in December, but saying that the

43:03

Bucks are not right now super Bowl contenders,

43:07

No, they're not super Bowl not in the NFC,

43:09

absolutely not. Nope, I don't

43:11

see it. I totally

43:13

disagree. I mean, who's the who name the three best teams

43:15

in the NFC right now? Number one is the Saints.

43:18

I'll give you that, right Who's

43:20

the second best team in the NFC. The

43:23

Packers are better than stop it. The

43:25

Bucks murdered them, murdered

43:27

them and next

43:30

next give me that and wait

43:32

a minute. At Green Bay also went

43:34

to New Orleans and beat and beat the Saints. They

43:37

this is true. They did on the road, on

43:39

the road, thirty shootouts.

43:42

So you're saying, all of a sudden, they're the best team. No,

43:44

I didn't say they're the best team. But I'm just saying,

43:46

don't act as if the Packers haven't

43:49

beaten anybody. The Saints of one seven

43:51

in the road. The Packers went to New Orleans

43:54

and one on the road. I don't

43:57

neutral field right now, Gavin, you're a

43:59

game umbler? Who is Gavin the producer

44:02

here? Neutral field right now? Whose favorite

44:04

Packers or Bucks? Uh?

44:08

That is kind of tough though, because the Buccaneers

44:10

haven't been uh too great lately.

44:12

I'd probably go Packers there, Yes,

44:15

thank you. Probably don't, Jason, what do you think?

44:17

I think? But I think the Bucks are not the way the

44:19

Bucks are playing right now. It's the Packers

44:21

team that is even even the Bucks

44:23

defense hasn't been that great. Agree

44:26

with all? Right? So hold on? So we're two two. Now,

44:28

we're two two, right if you I'll give you uh

44:31

as number one. The Saints were split

44:33

on Packers, so we will will pass

44:35

on that one. Who else is definitely

44:38

a Super Bowl contender over the Bucks in the

44:40

NFC. If you say Seattle, we

44:42

might have to shut down the show. Well, I'm gonna

44:44

say, yes, you're looking at Seattle. Now, all

44:47

right, wait a minute, okay, but wait a minute. You gave him

44:49

the answer, Jason, Wait a minute. No, no, no, but

44:51

you got the Rams. I love where the Rams.

44:54

Now. The Rams are seven and three. They

44:56

beat the Bucks in Tampa, so

44:59

so I'm gonna put them over the over top

45:01

of over the Bucks.

45:03

So there you go. And then if you want to just throw in

45:07

Seattle just because of Russell Wilson

45:09

and obviously their defense and he struggled

45:11

the last couple of weeks, but they

45:14

were another team. So those are at least three or

45:16

four teams, and I'll give the Bucks the

45:18

advantage over. And you just told me how

45:20

much you love Kyler Murray and he's

45:23

the guy that you would go forward with. But all

45:25

of a sudden, at six and

45:27

four, you're not buying Kyler Murray. I mean he's

45:29

a second year quarterback on a team. Yeah,

45:33

I mean second year quarterback. I

45:35

mean no, no, I can't say Kyler Murray. Patrick

45:37

Mahomes was a second year starter when

45:39

he won the Super Bowl. He also had Andy Reid

45:42

as his head coach, Cliff Kings Murray and his second year

45:44

as a coach. Come on, now, that's a no comparison.

45:46

I like Kyler Murray a lot. They were a playoff team

45:48

this year. But for you to just disregard

45:51

Tampa because of a couple of bad losses, just

45:53

a reminder point differential,

45:56

which is a pretty good indicator of how strong

45:58

a team is. Saints seventy

46:00

three bucks plus sixty seven.

46:03

That's close. That is very close. We're

46:05

talking about a Saints team that went to the Raiders earlier

46:08

this year and lost. Okay, we're

46:10

talking about a Saints team that barely covered the spread

46:12

against the Panthers, barely covered the

46:14

spread beating the Chargers and

46:16

Justin Herbert by three. I get

46:18

it. The Saints are playing right now as good as

46:20

anybody in the league. I think their

46:23

defense when you talk about that that team,

46:26

it ain't just about the quarterback. Their

46:28

defense has given up Jason twenty

46:31

five points in their last three games.

46:34

Okay, that's eight points a game, roughly.

46:37

And when you're given up that, it doesn't

46:39

matter who the quarterback is. That's why he'll

46:41

went in there. It was no problem and they beat

46:43

Atlanta and they did what they had to do. But

46:46

they get after the quarterback. They're

46:48

playing really well. That's why they won seven

46:50

in a row. That team is a good team

46:53

and they're letting Drew Brees

46:55

get his solf back together. He won't

46:57

be tired at the end. He should be fresh, ready

47:00

to go, and they're going to make a run

47:02

at the super Bowl. I picked them to get to the super

47:04

Bowl to say, what is this successful season

47:07

for Tom Brady and the Bucks this year to

47:09

the super Bowl? O? What two

47:12

teams make the super Bowl? Really? This team

47:14

that hasn't made the playoffs years,

47:18

Jason, there is no There

47:20

is no five year plan. He's a forty

47:22

three year old quarterback who's on a two year

47:25

contract. This was about

47:27

getting to the super Bowl and trying to win

47:29

it. He doesn't have five years.

47:31

Everybody to come up with a game plan. You're

47:34

telling me if they get knocked out in the first round of the

47:36

playoffs that that's a good year for them. Is

47:38

that? Is that what you're telling me? You would be like, so, wait, so

47:40

you'll give him a pass if they lose the Super Bowl.

47:44

Yeah, if they lose the Super Okay, can we file that.

47:46

Let's file that away, Rob Parker. If I is

47:49

the Super Bowl, it's okay. You gotta

47:51

know you're gonna kill him, Rob, But I want you to

47:53

know are we betting on this game? Because I want

47:55

to I'm betting another hour and a

47:57

half. I need to let it marinate. All looks like the money

48:00

line is, uh, if you bet one hundred and

48:02

eighty five dollars on Tampa,

48:04

you will win. Uh. I need

48:07

to look at it. It's basically really

48:11

he's afraid, and that's what I just offered him,

48:13

right, I think offered

48:15

him two pair of Jordans to one. That's what I win.

48:18

I can't cover the spread. Yeah,

48:20

but Rob, you get the best player

48:22

in football and the better coach. Come

48:25

on, Bruce Arians has not been a great

48:27

year for him. Yeah, he's been rough.

48:29

I mean I love how Rob just totally gives Arians

48:31

a pass. No big deal, I mean, goodness,

48:34

gracious, like Bruce Arians is

48:36

not to blame at all for this, Bro, Rob.

48:39

He got a six time Super Bowl winner and

48:41

he's ripping the guy in the media. If

48:43

Tom Brady wanted to get ripped in the media, he

48:45

want to stayed with Belichick in New

48:48

England. I mean, all Belichick did was rip

48:50

him. And by the way, I can't believe how

48:52

you're not mentioning how the genius Bill

48:54

Belichick is suddenly what are they?

48:56

Four and six four Sevenichia.

49:03

By the way, for the Patriots, Patriots

49:07

go down, Bucks signed Tom Brady,

49:09

Bucks go up, like I mean, it's pretty

49:11

clear how awesome this guy is. By

49:13

the way, I don't think in NFL

49:15

history any quarterback of forty

49:18

three year older has started more than six

49:20

games. Brady has beaten

49:22

that. Okay, He's been pretty

49:24

damn good this year. Outside of a handful

49:26

of games. Yeah, right, the games that matter

49:28

the most. I'm gonna give him the ballot of the

49:33

That's that's just to be clear. We'll wrap up this segment.

49:35

Two things can be true. You will agree, right

49:37

Rob, that Tom Brady

49:40

can be the goat, which he is and he has

49:42

struggled mightily at times this season.

49:45

Is that a factual statement the

49:47

struggle part. Yes, Joe Montana

49:49

is the goat in my eyes. I'm sorry. Thanks

49:52

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50:13

decided to book a great guest here because

50:15

we've been doing a lot of football.

50:19

Let's welcome in former NFL coach

50:21

June Jones. He is

50:23

currently offering a coaching class

50:26

on coachtube dot com. Well

50:30

run and shoot offense action. June Jones,

50:32

how are you man? Yes, being good, doing

50:34

good. Thanks for taking the time,

50:36

it's morning to join us. I'm just curious, as a

50:38

guy who played quarterback growing up, did

50:41

a lot of coaching. Can you just chime

50:43

in real quick on the Dallas Cowboys

50:45

decision by Mike McCarthy on Thanksgiving

50:49

deep in his own end down by four to call

50:51

a fake punt end around

50:55

baffling stuff from the Cowboys. Cowboys

50:57

fans are outraged at McCarthy. He kind of won

50:59

them last week beating the Vikings and now we

51:01

lost everybody again. Yeah,

51:04

that's the tough one, you know. Obviously,

51:07

if it works, we're all praising him.

51:10

But you know, I probably

51:12

would feel a little different if it was one to two

51:15

yards for the first down instead of ten.

51:19

But obviously they had talked about it. I saw

51:21

the Special Team's coach and McCarthy

51:23

talking before it and talking after

51:26

it, and you know, it

51:28

is what it is. It doesn't look pretty. Talking

51:31

about not looking pretty tom Brady throwing

51:33

the ball more than fifteen to twenty yards

51:36

as it looked pretty either recently

51:38

June? What's going on there? Is this just

51:41

Father time? Is this to Bruce

51:44

Arians asking Tom Brady to

51:46

do more than he's really capable? We

51:49

know about the Dinkin and the Duncan in New England

51:52

and Bruce Arians likes to air the ball

51:54

out. Does Tom Brady have an arm to

51:57

to be able to do this? But

52:00

it's looking like father time is catching up.

52:03

You know. I've been surprised

52:06

by the size

52:09

of the inaccuracy, you know. I mean, I've

52:12

never seen Brady miss a guy by

52:14

twenty yards, you know. And

52:17

I know that he has, you know, trying to avoid

52:20

guys in the pocket and so and so forth,

52:22

anticipateing maybe more than

52:24

he knows where they're going. But

52:26

at the same time, the accuracy part

52:29

of it is very concerning, and

52:31

obviously, as a coach, you gotta, you

52:34

know, realize what's happening and

52:37

make sure you do what your players can do.

52:40

And if Bruce needs to adjust

52:43

his game plans, and he needs

52:45

to adjust this game plan to get him in the Super Bowl.

52:47

But let me ask you this, June, I want to follow up.

52:50

Did Tom Brady maybe not do his due

52:53

diligence when he decided to go down

52:55

there, because this is what Bruce arians does.

52:58

And and I hear what you're saying about

53:00

adjusting, But maybe Tom Brady,

53:03

you know, you want to get away from Bill

53:05

Belichick and do your own thing. But

53:07

maybe he went to a guy where

53:10

where that's not the right fit

53:12

for him, that maybe he picked the wrong place.

53:15

Well, I think the places were limited,

53:18

and it certainly

53:20

looked like a good place at the time.

53:22

And obviously it was a money driven

53:25

decision as well, and I

53:27

don't think anybody was willing

53:30

to offer Tom Brady the

53:32

type of money the Tampa you know did.

53:35

But at the same time, like I

53:38

said, I see

53:40

a lot of similarities to to

53:43

what Tampa is running

53:45

on the offense right now as to what

53:48

Tom rand maybe five four

53:51

or five years Ago, uh not

53:53

not the last season. He's with the past when

53:56

they had people that could stretch the field a little

53:58

bit more. So, I don't see a whole lot

54:00

of difference. A lot of the media

54:03

is making it out to be a different system.

54:06

You certainly call it different things, but

54:08

a lot of you know, you're you're not reinventing

54:10

new plays just

54:13

because he went from the Paths to Tampa

54:15

Bay. He's won all those concepts before.

54:19

June Jones, former NFL coach, let me ask you,

54:21

we're seeing some new stuff defensively

54:23

thrown at Patrick Mahomes of the Chiefs. He's lit

54:26

the league on fire in his first

54:29

couple of years as a starter. But what I love

54:31

from Mahomes and Andy Reid June is

54:33

that anything they throw at him, Mahomes

54:35

doesn't get rattled. Like in the first

54:38

meeting against the Raiders. You know, they led

54:40

comfortably and they went zone heavy

54:42

and Mahomes picked it apart. So what did they do in this

54:44

next one? They tweaked things defensively

54:47

and Mahomes said, Okay, fine, I'm just gonna go to the

54:49

checkdowns. I'm gonna do a lot of handoffs. How

54:52

do you stop an offense like that. I know you're

54:54

a great offensive mind, but I don't know

54:56

how people shut down the Steelers. I don't

54:58

know if the Steelers or anybody can down

55:00

the Chiefs. Well, I'm not sure

55:02

anybody can right now either. I think

55:04

the players they have on the field are electrifying.

55:07

They have probably four three speed

55:09

at every spot, and even the tight

55:12

end is is one of the faster tight

55:14

ends that can catching range that that's

55:16

pretty incredible. Uh. And

55:18

and you know, when you've run what

55:21

Andy's been running, and a lot of the concepts,

55:24

you know, Marcher Broder concepts,

55:27

a lot of the concepts are running shoot concepts,

55:29

and obviously he has

55:32

his own touch on it because

55:34

of who he is. But uh, I

55:36

think they've seen everything. I mean, there's nothing

55:39

that defense is going to throw at him that

55:42

he hasn't seen at some point

55:44

and knows how to direct the offense

55:47

to to to efficiency.

55:51

June, what do you make of what happened down in Miami?

55:54

Too? Is a young quarterback. They

55:56

gave him the job a couple

55:58

of weeks ago. I mean he was renting and raving

56:01

about him. He has a bad half or

56:03

a bad three quarters. They go

56:05

back to Ryan Fitzpatrick. We already know what

56:08

he is, a journeyman who's been around. He'll

56:10

play well for a few weeks

56:12

to give him the keys to the car, and then he crashes

56:14

it. Does that hurt

56:17

a young quarterback's confidence or

56:19

can two shake it off? Well?

56:22

I don't know if you guys are aware, but I coached

56:24

to in high school this junior year

56:26

and then I cannot at

56:29

Maryland, so I know the family and I know

56:31

the kid extremely well. I don't think

56:33

anything can break down this

56:36

kid mentally, he said, tough mentally

56:38

as he is tough physically. I watched

56:41

the game. I was a little bit surprised,

56:43

even though I was rooting for him for the past

56:46

four weeks, when they elected

56:48

to start him over Ryan

56:51

Fitzpatrick, because I thought Ryan

56:53

had his best game when they set him down. At

56:56

the same time, I know they want to get a feel

56:59

for uh, you know too, and

57:01

see what he can do and what he can't

57:04

do. I watched the Denver game, and

57:06

he looked like a rookie quarterback to

57:08

me in that in that game, you know, he the

57:12

h knowing

57:14

this where to go with the ball quickly

57:16

when he got pressure. He didn't it

57:19

wasn't there, um, And they really

57:21

protected him those first three games. As

57:23

you guys watched, they moved him out of the

57:25

pocket with bootlegs and naked. He

57:28

drew a certain passes just when

57:30

it was bump and run. Man, he was gonna throw a fatheh.

57:34

Those type of things. Well, Denver really

57:36

uh made him

57:38

look like a rookie. And uh, you

57:41

know, I I am I surprised if they're going

57:43

back to Lyons Fitzpatrick. No, I'm not surprised

57:45

because I think they feel they have a chance to

57:47

win it and get into it, and

57:49

now they have a feeling also about

57:52

who toa is for him and if

57:55

that time comes where he can they

57:57

can insert him in a game to win a game,

58:00

pass in the ball, and be the guy

58:02

at the end of the game, then they're gonna go

58:04

with him for for for good. I'm sure

58:07

all right, June, I'll get you out of here on this one. My

58:09

guy Sam Darnald, you know he's been

58:11

up and down. The Jets just announced that it looks

58:13

like he's going to be the starter this weekend against Miami.

58:16

I'm just curious, Jess get the number one pick. We know

58:18

they're taking Trevor Lawrence, but it

58:21

is can we accurately judge what we've

58:23

seen from Sam Darnold so far in

58:25

his Jets career hasn't been great, but

58:27

the head coaching changes, the offensive line,

58:30

the skill position, nothing's been very

58:32

good. Do you think there's a team out there with the look

58:34

coach to buy low on

58:36

Sam Donald. I'm

58:39

sure there is. Um. I'm

58:41

a Sam Darnold fan, you know, not

58:44

living in New York, and I know the pressure that's

58:46

been on him since since

58:48

he since he's got there. I watched

58:50

him at USC, I coached his

58:53

quarterback coach, I coached his head coach

58:56

both out there, and I've talked extensively

58:58

about him prior to the RAP and

59:01

when I evaluated him, and I did evaluate

59:03

him for some teams, I thought

59:06

he might be one of the best ones I see he's

59:08

ever put out and that, and there's

59:10

a lot of quarterbacks coming out of that deal, so

59:12

I know that it has affected him. All

59:14

the uncertainty, the instability in the

59:17

front office, instability in

59:19

which players are playing every week. I

59:22

do think there is a lot of teams

59:24

out there that that feel like I do

59:26

about Sam Darnold. All Right, and

59:29

I'm gonna ask you about, yeah, about your website

59:32

and to tell

59:34

everybody about about this website

59:36

and what they can get from it. Yeah,

59:39

it was you know, I was kind of

59:43

doing it basically because Mouse is

59:45

about Mouse Davis, who was the originator

59:47

of Tiger Ellison back in the fifties,

59:50

and then Mouse turned the running shoot

59:52

into a pass offense, and we just never

59:55

We've talked to thousands of coaches. We've talked

59:57

to people whenever

59:59

they want to talk, but the intricacies

1:00:02

of what we do is a

1:00:04

lot different. And so we wanted to

1:00:06

provide for the high school coaches and anybody that

1:00:09

wanted to learn passing offense

1:00:12

about the concepts and what we do. And so we

1:00:14

created the website and it's going very

1:00:17

well and we're gonna we're

1:00:19

gonna help a lot of a lot of

1:00:21

coaches. Great stuff. June Jones,

1:00:23

former NFL coach. Checkout is to help Matt

1:00:25

Patricia in Detroit see

1:00:29

stop killing the Guy, Rob coachto dot

1:00:31

com. June Jones, congratulations

1:00:34

on the site and keep up the network. Man. All

1:00:36

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