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Dan Patrick, Nation continues to wait

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they've stated on social media, this is a planned

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holiday. Obviously, not having the Final

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four makes it makes it even easier

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to take some time off and me

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and Chris will be with you for the

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entirety of the day. Charlie cash Leak from

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the NFL Network, former general manager of the Skins,

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we'll join us in about thirty minutes.

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We'll get his take on some of

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the rumors and smoke streams of

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what could happen and what already has happened

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in what is not only a

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wild but probably the most publicized

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NFL offseason anyone

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can remember. That's because we don't have

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the NBA, we don't have any sports,

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live sports being played, and there

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continue to be ideas about what

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could lead us to get in the NBA back. Obviously,

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Chris, Yesterday's ruling

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in Toronto

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means there'll be no baseball in Toronto

1:06

because Baseball's players Association

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and the owners came together with an agreement

1:11

that they're not going to play any games in front of empty

1:13

stadiums. It's not until all the travel bands

1:15

are lifted, and not until people are allowed

1:17

to gather again will they

1:19

play games. Basketball has made no such

1:21

agreement, but the likelihood

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is they have to find some way to get

1:26

back on the floor, but possibly do it

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without fans in the stands. That that is

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it in your mind? Is it likely

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to start with no one in the stands? Yes,

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And I'll tell you what from talking to just different

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people around the NBA at every

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level, they

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are going to do everything they can to

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finish out this NBA season. You

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know, it's it's the money they don't mainly

1:50

it's the money. They don't want to lose

1:53

all of that revenue. Now,

1:55

obviously you're not gonna get as much with

1:58

no fans in the stands. However, of course that's

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when the TV deals

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will. You know, they need to play

2:04

some more regular season games to

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get all of their TV money taken

2:09

care of. So they're gonna try to

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do everything they can. If

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that means pushing games in the September,

2:16

so be it. If that means playing

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games without fans in the stands, so be it.

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They just want to try to finish up this season.

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Yeah, I mean, like, look, is it about the money? Sure,

2:25

I think it's interesting that Lebron is the

2:27

guy who's anti playing in front of a front

2:30

of an empty house when you

2:33

know how how big is their championship

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window. If you're the Lakers, man, we want

2:38

to get this thing. The Clippers will have another year

2:40

of those two playing together and be healthier. The

2:42

Warriors should be back next year. I think

2:44

the Nets will be legit contenders once they're

2:47

healthy. But like the West, the Warriors will

2:49

be back and the Clippers should be better. And

2:51

and then even the teams that won't be

2:53

quite quite as good as the Lakers

2:56

and the Clippers will be better. Yes, and we'll

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happen. We'll have an off season to adjust,

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right, I'll have an off season to adjust. And by

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the way, Anthony Davis, when this thing is over, is

3:05

a free agent. Doesn't mean he'll leave, but

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is a free agent, which makes which makes

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the Lakers off season interesting. Yeah,

3:12

I mean, there's no chance he'll leave,

3:14

but you're right, it just isn't It's

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you know, I guess most people say

3:19

you never say never. But okay,

3:21

so our guy Jay Williams,

3:24

who I do consider a friend, but look

3:26

when I say things that make no sense, my friends

3:28

call me out on it as well. He

3:30

went on another radio show and was like, all right,

3:32

here's the idea. Right, we get two

3:34

of those cruise ships and we

3:37

check everybody for coronavirus before they get on.

3:39

You can bring your family on, just the players and

3:41

their families and they play on cruise ships. What

3:43

do you think? And my

3:46

first thought is, Jda ever turn

3:48

on the did you turn on the news for the three

3:50

weeks prior to the two weeks

3:52

of quarantine? Because during those three weeks prior

3:54

you had cruise ship after cruise ship after cruise

3:57

ship getting quarantine. Dudes couldn't get

3:59

off right. It was it was Hotel

4:01

California. You could check out any time you want,

4:03

but you can never leave. Bro. I

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love, I love I love that there's there's

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ideas out there that's just

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that that's a no. We're gonna we're gonna hard

4:13

pass that one and move on well

4:15

and and and like you, I love.

4:18

Jay obviously worked when he met the old network

4:21

um, but he also

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thought it was such a great idea.

4:25

That was the thing, Like you said no, And he went on the radio

4:28

with it's like one thing to say it to a producer and producer

4:30

like that's a good idea of like I don't know if we I don't know

4:32

if we want to go with that one on air, like maybe

4:34

maybe keep that one he has I

4:37

have cured cancer. But with you guys, listen,

4:39

yes, listen, listen. You guys are all smart

4:41

people. Let me get you. I've really thought this thing out,

4:44

you know, and you know, forget

4:46

about the he's mentioning cruise

4:48

ships at this time. Yes, and they've

4:51

had they've had they've had basketball

4:53

games on aircraft carriers to limited success

4:55

in some really remember the condensation,

4:58

Yes they had problem. Yes they actually can't. They

5:00

actually canceled a game because of condensation. And

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you know, I remember one year the numbers were terrible

5:05

because because there were shadows and sunlight

5:07

and guys couldn't see. So in addition to

5:09

the practicality of we're not deciding an NBA championship

5:12

but a cruise ship, there's just cruise

5:15

ship is a bad word right

5:17

now, We're not using cruise ship. And

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it's like your boy Rob Parker, you co host

5:21

The Odd Couple with he went on the Golden Girls

5:24

cruise and we're just happy that they got to they

5:26

got to dock when he came back. Yes,

5:28

yes, indeed, I mean he he really

5:31

got back just in time. You're absolutely

5:33

right, because a week later and

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who knows what would have happened. Uh,

5:38

he might have been he might have been stuck on that for

5:40

a little while longer. But um, and

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my thing also when when Jay mentioned

5:44

that, the thought was, well, if

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you can go on a cruise ship,

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theoretically, why

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can't they just be isolated in

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Vegas? I think isolated in the

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Midwest that have you know, some of these other ideas.

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I think that's have been thrown out. I think that's

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more I've been told that's more logical.

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I mean, I don't know if it actually happens,

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but that's more likely to work. I would. Look,

6:07

my guess is I think

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my hope is that a lot of this is

6:12

just we're not necessarily

6:14

scare tactics, but we want to be extra

6:17

extra, extra cautious. You know, let's

6:19

let's not turn this into it Italy. Let's

6:21

not have that type of you know, we've already had this

6:23

type of damage to our economy. But if we

6:25

have a second wave of it, or if it gets really

6:27

bad, it's only gonna it's only gonna set us back

6:29

for let's just handle this this first time. But

6:32

I do wonder if you

6:35

know, if in a couple of weeks, if we get to May,

6:37

we're like, all right, we're good now, let's let's

6:39

get after it. Won the warm weather too. It looks

6:42

like they're making some advancements in terms of

6:44

medicine that they think might be able to help

6:46

people with. And three,

6:48

you know, we have a bit of a different culture

6:51

and we have a different level now of investments.

6:54

You know, you got Steebamber giving twenty five million,

6:56

ten million too, right, So I

6:58

mean, like other countries haven't

7:00

had that benefit of people throwing

7:02

money at the research to speed

7:05

this process up. So do you

7:07

think you sound like you you're pretty

7:09

optimistic. Yes, um, I mean you're

7:11

talking about May, so you think we could

7:13

be seeing NBA ball in June. In June,

7:15

yeah, I think it'll take a month to get it going. And

7:18

then the question is what do you do? I mean, I would you

7:21

know, what do you do with the non playoff teams? I mean the

7:23

Warriors. Steve Kirk came out and said, we kind of feel

7:25

like our season's over. Yeah, So do you only

7:28

do you only do the playoff teams? Do you expand the playoffs

7:30

by two teams? Like? What do you do there? Do

7:32

you have three season games? I talked

7:35

to a coach from a non playoff

7:37

team the other day, and um,

7:39

he was saying the same thing. It feels like an off season

7:42

to them, like their season is over. And I get

7:44

it. However, here's the deal. You know this, Doug,

7:47

these guys are gonna be off. I

7:49

don't know that all of them have the Andrew Thomas

7:51

hook up, you know where, They're going to two

7:54

gyms and working out, So they're gonna

7:56

have been off what sixty

7:58

days. Obviously they're not going to be in basketball

8:01

shape, which if you throw them

8:03

out there too early number one. And

8:05

the worst thing is that the chances of

8:07

injury increase, which if

8:09

a guy got hurt and had to sit out

8:11

some or all of next season, now

8:14

you're potentially messing up two seasons.

8:16

But also, you don't want to start your

8:18

playoffs your most important games with

8:21

the quality of play being subpar

8:23

and teams just not being anywhere

8:26

near their best. So I was

8:28

feeling initially, dug when they first postponed

8:31

the season a month or so ago, whatever

8:33

it was, I initially felt like,

8:36

Okay, they should

8:38

just start the playoffs. You know, we've played

8:40

sixty five games roughly each team,

8:43

we know who the top eight seeds are.

8:45

Just go to the playoffs. But now I

8:48

think you're gonna need at least

8:50

I think I'm being overly generous at

8:52

least the week of some type of

8:55

training camp to get conditioned. Seven

8:59

training camp, and then you need you

9:01

need a couple of probably five to eight regular

9:03

season games, I think. And also

9:06

because the TV a lot of these

9:08

regional deals, they need to play at least seventeen

9:10

games. Right. Well, that's that's the this

9:13

is this is a great it's a great point you bring up, and

9:15

it's one of those things that this is the first

9:17

moment I feel vindicated, or maybe

9:19

I feel not vindicated, but not heard

9:22

on my normal radio show, Doug Gotlie Chris brusstart

9:24

in for Dan Dan Danet's

9:27

here in the Dan Patrick Show. Um. I've

9:29

said this for a while. The people who think,

9:32

well, you know, you just shortened season, and you know, the

9:34

better basketball and music, you start to understand

9:37

all of the different. Okay,

9:40

you have the arena has to have

9:42

a certain number of nights. Has forty one nights, right,

9:44

they have to have forty one knights plus preseason.

9:47

And the arena of the arena, you of the arena

9:49

parking, You have all the people that work in the arena.

9:51

Right. Then you have these regional networks that

9:54

are intertwined, many of them with the teams

9:56

or they've paid a ton of money to these

9:58

teams to broadcast it. They need the volume

10:01

of games. If those go away, who's

10:03

gonna Who's gonna Who's gonna compensate all these

10:05

people. Then you have the entertainment districts

10:08

which are built around these arenas, And if

10:10

you're gonna take away dates, how

10:13

are you gonna, Like, you know, states

10:16

have created some tax exempt you

10:18

know it's tax exempt stuff so that you

10:20

know, teams would stay downtown, so

10:23

that those restaurants and bars and those districts would

10:25

still be fieled. Like everybody benefits

10:27

from there being eighty two regular

10:29

season games, and we can't. And now

10:31

I feel like there's no chance that

10:34

even though people believe the season

10:36

next year will have to be pushed back. I think that's

10:38

accurate. The interaccurate

10:40

parts. You think they're gonna cut games after we

10:42

go through a year where the economy

10:44

almost dies, No chance, I would.

10:47

They're definitely going to eighty two games next year.

10:49

It's just a question of how do they get them in. I'm

10:51

glad you brought that up. And let me ask you

10:53

this, how do you feel about

10:56

And I'm not talking about next

10:58

season because that obviously

11:01

pretty much have to be pushed back, but

11:03

just in oh, in general, as a

11:05

regular thing, how do you feel about

11:08

saying, starting to NBA season

11:10

on Christmas Day and then

11:12

playing into August, just

11:15

as a as a if that were the new

11:17

schedule for the NFL or the NBA

11:19

in the future, how would you feel about that? I

11:22

would actually say, if you're going to play

11:25

the NBA that way, I would start

11:27

it when you start it. I don't. I

11:29

don't actually have a problem. I would.

11:31

I would prefer it spread out this. I would,

11:33

yeah, spread them out. Give him yeah,

11:36

maybe not just no back to backs, give him a much

11:38

more substantial like a second break as

11:40

well. You know, when when you play over season

11:43

and go from October seventeens

11:45

or whatever it is and still play into

11:47

August. Yeah, I mean like, look, I don't know if you play in

11:49

August, I don't know what what you do if you go to go October.

11:52

I just I just think this, Uh,

11:54

here's the big question which I don't have the answer

11:57

for. And maybe Michael Mulville,

11:59

who works for Fox, knows ratings. He can give

12:01

you a better sense of it. Traditionally,

12:03

you want to stay away from July and August because

12:05

everybody's traveling right right, and people don't

12:08

watch TV. Now that you don't watch TV,

12:10

people don't watch traditional TV nearly as

12:12

much. Can you

12:14

make up for the lack of over the air

12:17

ratings based viewership with

12:19

the phone, with the you

12:21

know, with the device he kind of in your

12:23

hand. I don't know. But there's

12:25

a reason that most major sporting

12:27

events don't occur in the summer, right

12:30

with the exception obviously is some golf stuff, and

12:33

it's it's it's because of that. Now. If

12:35

that is a moot point now in twenty twenty

12:38

and beyond, because people watch

12:40

what they want to watch whenever they want to

12:42

watch it, regardless of where they are, then

12:44

I'm all for hoop in the summer. I've often thought

12:47

college basketball should start second

12:49

semester, especially on a college campus,

12:51

there's just not the bandwidth or really the

12:53

financial resources for people to do both

12:55

at once. And

12:57

then you know, you run the NCAA tournament into May,

13:00

and if you push back the NBA, that kind

13:02

of all works together a little bit better. It does

13:04

work together if you push back the NBA. I

13:06

wouldn't like it if you didn't. If the NBA

13:09

stayed on its current schedule, I

13:11

don't think it'd be good because you'd be competing with the

13:13

playoffs. And you know, I covered the NBA,

13:15

you know, as a beat writer for many years, and

13:18

during March Madness the

13:21

NBA, you know, it's just not as

13:23

you know, it's only a few weeks, but we

13:26

forget about the NBA for a little while, you know,

13:28

just for a brief moment in time. So you wouldn't

13:31

want that happening during the NBA playoffs. But

13:34

that's the thing. I saw Mark Cuban on the Herd

13:36

earlier this week, or maybe

13:38

it was last week, but he was talking about how,

13:41

just as you said, traditionally,

13:44

you definitely don't want to be playing games

13:46

in the summer months because the ratings go way

13:48

down. But now with the smartphones,

13:51

everybody watching on their phone. It's

13:53

a little different. And I think that it depends

13:55

on like if you had playoff

13:58

games in you lie,

14:00

in August and the later

14:03

we got into the you know, the playoffs,

14:05

it'd be fewer games, so it would kind

14:07

of be you know, if you played the

14:10

early rounds in July, I do

14:12

think it'd be a problem because people

14:14

are just gonna be outside, they're gonna be on vacation.

14:16

They're not going to want to watch a game every

14:19

single night or multiple games.

14:21

But if it's you know, a game every

14:23

three days or a game every

14:26

you know, big games on the

14:28

weekends, I think people you

14:30

know, maybe into that because you know, sometimes

14:32

in the summer you're looking for a game to watch,

14:35

and even if you're on vacation or

14:37

something, you know, if you're with some other

14:39

guys, you know, you may gather

14:42

around and watch the NBA

14:44

Finals Game three or something like that.

14:46

So it's interesting. I mean,

14:49

you definitely want to find out get

14:51

all the math and science you

14:54

can on the ratings in

14:56

the summer because you definitely don't want to

14:58

you know, if they're not going to they're going to be

15:00

bad in the summer. You want to stay away from

15:02

it now, but it's interesting

15:05

now full disclosure, The ratings weren't great in the

15:07

playoffs past couple of years up until it was

15:09

the ones that mattered, and

15:11

then this year will be They'll probably

15:13

use this year as a test case. On the other hand, this

15:16

a good chance for him, you know, to view

15:18

it as a test case right now. The only only issue

15:21

is this is gonna be a weird test case because I

15:23

don't know. I mean, I have no scientific

15:26

knowledge statistical knowledge to prove this,

15:29

but I would guess there'll be very few family vacations,

15:32

right like, Look, will people go on vacations,

15:34

yes, will they bring their kids? No? You're

15:37

like, look, I just the moms

15:39

of the world, be like, look, I was just a

15:41

homeschool teacher for three kids

15:44

for the last three months. You think I want to take them

15:46

to Europe? No?

15:48

No, you know, and grandma and grandpa

15:50

were Grandma and Grandpa that were isolated, didn't

15:53

have to come down at all for the last three

15:55

months because we were worried about their health. You got

15:57

to watch the kids. You know, we're

15:59

going to crow Asha bye bye.

16:01

Well, we'll we'll see what Chris Bruson I'm Dug Golib.

16:03

This is the Dan Patrick's Show here on Fox

16:05

Sports Radio. And uh

16:08

man, this is um speaking

16:10

speaking of of the NBA.

16:14

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16:17

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16:19

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16:31

you see k D's gonna lead a field

16:33

of sixteen NBA two K

16:35

twenty tournament? Yes? Now

16:38

do you play NBA two K? I do I

16:41

do? What's your son? I imagine?

16:44

Yes, with my son and then with some of my son's friends.

16:47

That's that's the best part, right because now you

16:49

can like we I was. I don't

16:51

know if I was a gamer growing up, like I wasn't.

16:54

I never had the handheld thing. But you know when

16:56

you play basketball tournaments, you used to when you had

16:58

Sega or Nintendo or whatever. Uh,

17:00

you'd you'd take somebody would take away you when

17:02

you go to Vegas and Santa Barbara and

17:04

you pop it in in the hotel room and you

17:07

play video games all day. So that I

17:09

mean, I've played Madden since it was first

17:11

John Madden Football or since

17:13

it was you know, uh back when

17:15

it was Lakers versus Celtics in the NBA

17:17

playoffs. So I still really really

17:19

enjoy it. Um, I can't

17:22

say that we've played We've had two K

17:24

forever, but we haven't

17:26

played it a ton. So when this thing

17:28

first went down, Um,

17:32

he started playing things on

17:34

Xbox Live. And we have a couple of

17:36

families that we're friends with and

17:39

all the all the boys know that I like

17:41

to play Madden and two K. So I'll

17:43

play against his friends and beat his friends and we'll talk

17:45

trash. It's pretty fun. No, that's

17:48

that's great. And you can play

17:50

with two K. Can you can play like people

17:53

in different house? Yes, I'm yeah,

17:55

that's great. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.

17:57

Yeah, this is this is That's one

18:00

of the great things, um, about

18:02

technology today is that you know, for

18:05

your son, he can still play with his friends and

18:07

and all that stuff. I'm not a gamer.

18:10

I'm even a little older than you. I

18:13

was, and you know they had arcades obviously

18:15

when I was coming up and all that. But I'm

18:17

telling you, Doug, the last video game

18:20

I was into was

18:22

in television. Remember that

18:25

it was that long ago in college and there's

18:27

this game called Pong. You

18:30

should try it, Doug, that's what you tell me. That

18:32

was like the first video game

18:35

I actually remember that. But um

18:37

no, so I'm not. I wasn't even in the Madden

18:40

I'm certainly know nothing about NBA

18:42

two K. Will it be

18:44

interesting? No, watching

18:46

other people playing video games is not injured,

18:48

right, That's what I'm saying. Like I've watched

18:51

a little bit, not a lot, but a little and

18:53

it just bores me to tears. Yes,

18:55

look, and there'll be people are like

18:58

the godly bischade. You guys just don't understand

19:00

esports, Like no, I understand it really

19:02

well, it's not is

19:05

it the worst thing in the world, Like, no,

19:07

it's not. I just please don't

19:09

tell me what I enjoy watching. I

19:12

love basketball. I don't like James Harden dribble around at

19:14

the top of the key before he goes one on one. But at

19:16

least it's real people playing as

19:18

opposed to a computer simulation. You

19:20

know, I mean, it's just so arbitrary and

19:23

you and I'm not saying there's not skill

19:25

to it, but let's not let's not call it

19:27

a sport. Let's though they

19:29

have teams. I know, the NBA,

19:32

I think at least sixteen of

19:34

the thirty teams half eighteen. Yes,

19:36

you have five video you know,

19:38

five man teams and

19:40

they play they get paid. I mean that's

19:43

nice, it's a it's created jobs for people.

19:46

But you can make a six figure salary

19:48

now playing these video games. Yes,

19:51

that that's that's that's nuts. That's

19:53

nuts. But the number of people that play video

19:55

games as opposed to the ones making a six figure salary

19:58

at him. Yeah, you know, it's like, it's

20:00

not a great career, right,

20:03

career bad. I'll have a

20:05

playan B. Yes, definitely

20:07

have a plan B. Hey, listen, my

20:09

late father he used to think he was the world's greatest

20:12

Miss pac Man player. We you know, he was a

20:14

coach. Oh, he used

20:16

to love he knew all the path he said, there's patterns

20:18

to it. He understands patterns to it. It's

20:20

patterns to it. And he played those that we go

20:22

on the road. He put a bunch of quarters up and he would go and

20:24

he played Miss pac Man for hours and hours.

20:27

But we've we've also we've kind of watered that

20:29

thing down, right, like, look,

20:31

I'm not gonna sit here and tell you video games were

20:34

better when we were kids. They're not. But

20:36

but when back when there used to

20:38

be arcades, you'd

20:41

only get one game in one quarter and then you'd

20:43

have to wait right

20:45

like, and look, we've done this with pick up basketball.

20:47

You better be good. We've done this with pickup basketball

20:50

right where you can't I don't know, have you ever been knew gym? Well, you can't

20:52

win more than three in a row, three in a row? You gotta switch.

20:54

Like why I want to run the court all day. We me

20:56

and my guys came down here to run the court all day. We want to

20:58

run the court all day like none. That's something ways

21:01

the same thing in in video

21:03

games now because you're not putting the quarter

21:05

in. You know, you paid fifty bucks for

21:07

a game you can

21:09

play forever. You lose, you just start over, start

21:11

again. Yeah, I agree,

21:14

And I and I wonder this though, because I know I

21:16

know enough to know that they rate the players

21:18

right right, So so the Lebron

21:21

James on NBA two K

21:23

is going to be much better than uh

21:28

who who I'm trying. I don't want to go too far

21:30

as Chris

21:33

Middleton. Okay, sure, all right? So

21:36

if if if I

21:38

say, I'm not quite as good as you in

21:41

NBA two K, but I got Michael Jordan

21:43

on. I mean, I have Lebron James on my team,

21:45

and you have Chris Middleton had

21:49

a huge yeah, ad vantish for me. Of course,

21:51

there's a lot of things, right, Great players

21:53

have bad days. Bad players have great

21:55

even on the video game. No, that's the point,

21:58

right, Like in the video game, you're gonna kind of play, You're

22:00

gonna play to your numbers every game.

22:02

He's great, right, I don't know every game. I mean, you

22:05

know, I'll tell you the hardest thing in two K shooting

22:07

free throws. I just as a guy who's a bad

22:09

free throw shooter, like, but you have like ninety percent

22:11

free throw shooters, Like, man, this is really hard to make free

22:13

throws. So there's a little bit of a skill or trick

22:15

to that. Um yeah, I mean,

22:18

like I think it's a fun way

22:20

to get guys. The best part about

22:22

those deals is when you

22:24

can hear the players talking and

22:26

they're telling stories and they're talking trash,

22:28

like even now when they're playing Call of Duty,

22:31

and and you can, guys, you can watch

22:33

them play, watch them play Call of duty is not interesting.

22:36

Listening to them talk and tell stories and talk

22:38

trash to each other. That's the interesting part,

22:40

no doubt. Now who else is in this? Uh?

22:43

What other NBA players are in the turn? Trey

22:45

Young, Hassan white Side, Donovan

22:47

Mitchell, Devin Booker, Andre

22:50

Drummond, Zach Lavine Montrez, Harold

22:53

Demontis, Sabonis DeAndre and

22:55

DeMarcus Cousins, Michael Porter, Ruey

22:58

Hachimura, Patrick Beverley,

23:01

Harrison Barnes, and Derek Jones. Wow,

23:04

so so k D and Cousins

23:07

are like the oldest about the

23:09

oldest guys in it. So it's clearly a young

23:11

man's game. How's Pat pat

23:13

BEVs? V's up there a little

23:16

bit? You could put him in that group. See,

23:18

but I think this is and I again, I don't

23:20

know the really young

23:22

guys, A lot of them. Trey Young might

23:24

not be this way. I don't know how much of a gamer he is,

23:27

but a lot of the younger guys are so

23:29

much more into their phones than they are into playing

23:32

video games. Right where this is almost a I

23:34

would guess the guys that went to guys

23:36

that way. If you went to prep school, like right, if you went to

23:38

Finley. If you went a way to prep school and

23:40

then you went and you played a year in college, those

23:43

are the guys I would say are most likely to

23:45

have a lot of video game experience. There's

23:47

a lot of downtime when you're prep school, a

23:49

lot of downtime when you're playing au ball. There's

23:52

a lot of down you're saying, So are

23:54

you saying for younger

23:56

guys, I'm they gonna they're more into their phones

23:59

to the video game. Yes, yes,

24:02

yes, interesting like my generation,

24:04

Like if you go to the guys in the forties, we're a lot we played

24:06

a lot more video games than most of these guys

24:08

did, like the huh

24:11

yeah yeah, and and and a lot of teams,

24:14

a lot of players when they travel in the NBA,

24:16

and it still probably happens, but

24:18

they would have video games set up in their

24:20

rooms sure, like when they arrived so

24:23

they could play. And that was you know,

24:25

years ago. But yeah, I wonder

24:28

if they're doing that now, yeah, I think. And then there's

24:30

the there's the guys that once you have a family, that

24:32

thing kind of ends right until your kids get

24:34

older. So um,

24:37

I would say KD play

24:39

being a gamer would be the least surprising thing

24:41

of all times. He likes to talk trash. He

24:44

seems to not he seems like a small circle,

24:46

right, and he really loves hoop and he

24:48

can't hoop at all hours of the day, and

24:50

that that would that would be my guess, all right, that

24:53

that's going to occur virtually. But

24:55

the most the biggest event that's going to be

24:57

virtual is the NFL Draft. Charlie

24:59

Cash he joined the course. He's the former GM and the Nashville

25:01

Pablague works for the NFL network. Kind enough to spend some time with

25:03

a long with christmus Ardam Doug Gotlieb. This is the Dan

25:06

Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio. Charlie,

25:08

how different is preparing for this

25:10

draft for GMS today as

25:13

opposed to any other year? Well,

25:16

I wrote an article this week

25:18

in the NFL dot Com and outlined

25:21

it. So if you haven't read that,

25:23

take a look at it. But here here's

25:25

here's some thoughts here. The first thing

25:27

is I broke into the league when

25:31

it was more the exception to the

25:33

rule that you had a

25:35

physical on a player. We didn't have

25:37

a combine, we didn't have pro days

25:39

in the spring to work players out. We

25:42

didn't have mass testing, psychology of psychological

25:45

testing, so we

25:48

went into this thing somewhat blind. Okay,

25:50

so how do you work blind? Well, first of all,

25:53

I'm taking it from where I came in and say,

25:55

there's a lot of advantages. They've already

25:58

had a combine. They

26:00

have a lot of interviews on players, they have

26:02

a tremendous number of physicals already

26:05

done. They have a film library.

26:07

We didn't have a film library and try to

26:09

call a college and hope they sent you some

26:11

film. They have almost every game

26:13

played by every school of the players they

26:15

want to look at, so they have a massive amount

26:17

of information. But it comes back to this,

26:20

your area scouts. Those

26:22

are the guys who've lived in the area follow

26:25

these players to the whole career. They

26:27

should know them inside out. They should have

26:29

contacts to get any information that

26:32

they need that they've already gotten okay

26:35

on them. So when you're

26:37

sitting there, I'm going to go back to that

26:39

guy and he's going to be the

26:41

guy who's going to know him the best. Then I'm going to have had

26:43

a scout who's going and what we do a cross

26:45

check in the fall, and he's seen him,

26:48

So now I've got two guys in the room, maybe

26:50

many as four guys in the room, because you could

26:52

have a national guy, then I'll go look at him, and

26:55

that's going to be the basis of what you're

26:57

going to have to make your decisions on now.

27:00

On physicals, I

27:02

never went against the doctors. Okay, you never went

27:04

against the doctors or the trainers. However,

27:07

Curtis Martin. Curtis Martin was

27:09

off our draft board. Patriots

27:11

took him. I had a long career. Drew

27:14

Brees rejected by the Dolphins. Miami

27:16

took him. Excuse me, New Orleans took him. Guys

27:19

in the Hall of Fame. So what I'm saying

27:21

there is two doctors can look at the same

27:24

player and have two totally different opinions

27:27

on them. So on medicals

27:29

and again, I never went against anybody.

27:31

It's a little bit of hit and miss now on

27:34

those decisions. So I

27:37

think it'll be the area scouts. You

27:39

gotta have good area scouts and spend

27:41

your extra time to an extra film on these

27:43

guys, and I

27:45

think that's how you can be successful in this

27:48

draft. A couple of other quick things. Teams

27:50

with that extra picks will have an advantage.

27:53

You may take less risks

27:56

on guys say that are changing positions.

27:59

In other word, you're taking the safety and now trying

28:01

to make them a corner. Have you never seen the guy backpedal

28:05

fits and system or a crucial If

28:07

I'm looking at a press corner and we playoff

28:09

coverage, I don't know if that guy can do that,

28:12

may have to pass on them. So it's

28:14

a little bit of a gamble. So those are some of the things

28:16

that to me be going through

28:18

my mind if I was running a team. Charlie,

28:21

this is interesting because you mentioned

28:23

years ago how you know, you guys just didn't

28:25

have as much access to the players you were

28:27

looking to draft as they do now in technology

28:30

and all that. How much better

28:33

is the success rate now for

28:35

you know, teams drafting players then

28:38

it was back in your day when you

28:40

were really in the heat of it, when

28:42

you didn't have you, you know, as much technology

28:44

and on that. I don't have the answer

28:46

to that question, but it's better just

28:49

by doing it, Okay. I know we

28:51

have more information on players, and

28:54

again it's relevant, so does

28:57

everybody else, So maybe there is no difference

28:59

on the percentage. That's what I want. I mean, it's

29:02

still a hitting miss aspect to it,

29:05

no question. I did a ten year study on the draft.

29:08

Only thirty percent of players drafted

29:12

over a ten year period end up being a starter

29:14

after four years. Now why

29:16

is that important? Because at the end of four years

29:19

you basically have free agency, so

29:21

you have to make a decision one way or another on

29:23

the player. If he's not a starter, probably

29:26

gonna move on from him at

29:28

that point in time. So but and

29:31

it wasn't always that thirty percent was It

29:33

didn't make any difference which team there with. So one

29:35

of those guy who started with one team got cut. But

29:37

if he was a starter with another team at the end of four years,

29:39

to me, he was a legitimate player. And

29:41

so seventy percent of the guys you draft,

29:45

they're not gonna be successful. Charlie,

29:48

what's your feelings on two? He's

29:51

been fully cleared, but

29:54

teams aren't able to get out and evaluate

29:57

him. He was the number one quarterback prospect

29:59

heading in into the season. Now it appears he's at

30:02

best the number two quarterback prospect.

30:04

Your your thoughts on the idea of

30:07

drafting to it to buy Looga like

30:10

him? I think he's a top five pick in any

30:12

raft. Uh, I

30:14

have Burrow ahead of him. Only concern

30:17

I have about him and is we know the medical

30:19

Okay, that's an obvious concern. Right, That's

30:22

a hit and miss thing. So yeah, it's a guess. Um

30:25

bodybuild. I've never seen

30:27

him live. I mean, I've watched tape

30:29

of him. I've talked to people to see him, and they talk

30:31

to me. He's not a big guy in the lower bodies.

30:34

He's kind of a smaller body guy that

30:36

bothers me on taking hits. Now,

30:38

that's that's just an educated guess. Okay,

30:41

at this point in time, I mean, your guess is as good

30:43

as mine in trying to take him.

30:46

I probably would take him and

30:48

h but obviously i'd have access

30:50

to more information than I have right now. All right,

30:53

how about how about this one? There's Miami

30:55

apparently really values Joe

30:57

Burrow and wants him to be there

31:00

quarterback. They have three first round

31:02

picks Cincinnati obviously, I mean, look, the likelihood

31:04

is they're not going to make a trade. But if you

31:06

were in sanse if you were Cincinnati's GM,

31:09

and you said, what is that? What is what is the value

31:11

and what is slightly overpaying if you're Miami,

31:14

what is slightly overpaying to

31:16

move up to take an Ohio born

31:19

kid away from the Cincinnati

31:21

benis if you're the Bengals, what's what's the ask? There's

31:25

no price. I'm taking Burrow period.

31:29

Okay, I

31:32

like him that much better than Tuah. Yes,

31:36

because because here's the thing. Okay,

31:39

um, now again, Burrow, he's

31:42

got some warts to now, Okay, he hasn't

31:44

done this for a number of years. Ta

31:47

has actually performed better

31:49

than Burrow. Considering he goes into

31:51

win's a national championship coming off the

31:54

bench. Is what a freshman, right, So

31:56

he's got a little more history here, that's important.

31:58

Burrow doesn't have quite that much history. So

32:00

there's a there's a there's an element of risk in both

32:03

of them. But I just liked the fact

32:05

that Burrow the body build on them

32:07

versus TWA. Makes it

32:10

to me sure enough. Now I pulled I'd

32:12

have to get my notes on if I said this, I tell

32:14

it it's it's somewhere in writing on

32:17

social media. Pulled about twenty

32:19

seven teams, and let's

32:21

see, it was like twenty three to three to

32:23

one Burrow over Tah and the

32:26

general consensus was, uh,

32:28

the durability factor okay,

32:30

and and a little bit more consistent as

32:33

a passer. And but two, it to me is a top

32:35

five pick when I pulled SEC coaches

32:38

who played these guys who was dead even

32:41

when when I took the pole air. Um,

32:44

but I would I would not trade him. You

32:46

can offer me anything, and I'm not going to trade him. How

32:50

much? Um, Obviously

32:52

Joe Brady, you know, did a great job with

32:55

Burrow. Um one, how

32:57

big of an issue you know how much

32:59

of the success was due to Joe Brady.

33:02

And does Joe Brady

33:05

I'm not saying Bridgewater is gonna light the league

33:07

go on fire, but him and him working

33:09

with Brady and Carolina, do you

33:11

think that'll be a great team and that

33:14

it'll it'll pay big dividends for them

33:16

with that relationship. Okay,

33:18

let me answer. Let me answer a question here and

33:21

this way. Hey, I don't

33:23

know Joe Brady. I don't know what

33:25

effect he had on Burrow. But Joe

33:27

Brady didn't call the plays. Okay, So

33:30

I don't know. I like Bridgewater,

33:34

But Bridgewater had great coaching last

33:37

year with Sean Payton and Pete

33:39

Carmichael and et cetera. Who was there? So

33:42

people play well for Sean Payton. So

33:44

I don't know how Joe Brady's gonna act in

33:46

this situation where he's now by himself

33:49

and calling the plays, etc. And that's

33:51

not a nag of I just don't know, But I like Bridgewater.

33:54

Bridgewater is smart, he plays

33:56

smart, makes good decisions, knows where

33:58

to go with the football. He's a positive.

34:00

He doesn't have a top arm. He was a playoff

34:03

quarterback in Minnesota, would have

34:05

been a playoff quarterback with New Orleans last

34:07

year if he played the whole season. So I

34:09

think they got a good quarterback in Carolina.

34:12

I'm happy with that. I don't know that he's going

34:14

to be elite, but I think he's good.

34:17

Tom Brady is a great quarterback. No one would

34:19

argue that he's also forty three. Are

34:21

going to play at forty three And

34:24

since Randy Moss left

34:27

the Patriots, and you can forgive me if

34:29

I'm wrong, and before, he's

34:32

always been a guy who's focused

34:34

on underneath. You know, Look, Gronk had

34:36

one year where he led them in catches, but for the most part,

34:38

it's been Edelman, Welker, Rochet,

34:40

Caldwell, Troy Brown, those

34:42

type players. That's not really how

34:45

the Buccaneers roster

34:47

is comprised. They have two good tight ends, they

34:49

have two big time wide receivers, but

34:52

no real underneath guys, and to this point,

34:54

not a back who's tremendous out of the backfield, something

34:56

that he's really used throughout his career.

35:00

Does Brady's style fit

35:02

how Bruce Arians traditionally likes to play

35:06

well. What you've described is

35:09

accurate in the big picture. There's

35:12

no slot there. They haven't

35:14

used the tight ends much. I think that's going to change a

35:16

lot. Brady is more of an inside

35:18

the numbers thrower. That's not necessarily

35:21

their offense. But I think number

35:23

one that I think that Bruce

35:25

Arians will

35:28

not will be smart between

35:30

him and Brady, they'll figure this out as

35:32

to what the best offense is. When

35:35

I watch Brady throw last year,

35:37

who's he throwing to? Nobody

35:39

except Edelman, Nobody that can beat one on

35:42

one coverage. I saw him throw

35:44

the ball deep. I think he's actually improved

35:46

as a d thrower. I

35:49

think that your question is legit. They

35:51

need to get a receiving back. Maybe

35:53

Jones is the receiving back. Maybe

35:55

he can do that. So there's

35:58

a little bit of unknown there. But I

36:00

thought Brady last year, the guy

36:02

I saw on tape could still win a championship.

36:05

And I think these guys will adjust

36:07

to what Brady can do. Tight ends

36:09

will probably be bigger, more part of the offense,

36:11

certainly. Charlie, great stuff. You're

36:14

You're safe, You're healthy, You're you're good. I'm

36:17

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36:19

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36:22

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36:24

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36:29

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36:34

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37:16

I'm not gonna learn anything from it, I know, will

37:18

you learn some things? You're like, yes,

37:22

yes, uh,

37:24

just about every every

37:27

um, every descriptive

37:29

word you could use. It is right.

37:32

It makes you, It makes you mad, it

37:35

makes you sad, it makes you laugh. It

37:38

it drops your jaw that this actually,

37:40

this subculture actually exists because

37:43

it's true. It is it.

37:45

It is some level of truth. Yes, I

37:47

mean it's it's yeah, Like

37:51

yeah, you're you're waiting to find out

37:53

who's the good guy, And I couldn't

37:55

really come up with the good guy. I mean, the best the

37:58

person with the moral compass

38:01

in the show on some level

38:04

appears to be a guy who became

38:06

a campaign director for

38:10

Joe Joe

38:12

Exotic and he was previously a manager

38:15

at Walmart selling ammunition to

38:17

Joe Exotic. That's the guy with the

38:19

best moral compass of anybody

38:22

in the show. But like, look

38:24

to me, it's at least

38:26

enjoyable whereas like

38:29

ESPN doing the best college basketball

38:31

basketball player of all

38:33

time in the tournament and including women with

38:35

men is thank you, that's like

38:37

the least like why are you making this

38:40

the least enjoyable exercise

38:42

of what could be enjoyable? Right? It

38:44

was a great idea, yes, but

38:47

they ruined it. I mean, first of all, like you said,

38:49

they should have had a separate bracket for women,

38:51

yes, and a separate bracket for men.

38:54

Enough of the political correctness for a

38:56

minute, please, just there's

38:58

nothing wrong with that they play in separate

39:00

leagues. Well we don't. We didn't. We don't include

39:03

the most dominant NAIA players

39:05

Division two players Division three. Why because it's

39:07

a different level of the sport. This is just a different We

39:09

don't include your high school numbers. Like,

39:11

let's not just don't try. It's a difference.

39:13

They play with a different sized basketball against a different

39:16

gender of people. And and like, look,

39:18

I get it, Brandon Stewart's great, but she was at

39:20

Yukon where they're stacked. You know

39:23

they got, they got they run six

39:25

seven deep as opposed to

39:27

like, my point is, if you don't start

39:29

and stop with lu Al Sender and Bill

39:32

Walton, then you're really not. You're not. You

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actually don't know anything about the sport. Didn't Who

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did shock beat lu Al

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Cinder? Right? Or was it Brianna? I

39:41

don't know. I didn't. I honestly didn't pay attention.

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I just attention to it.

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But some lu Al you

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hit it on a hit. Those are the two best college players

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of all time. Yes, and Michael Jordan

39:52

won it, and obviously I think he's

39:54

the goat period, but

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he was not the greatest college basketbaball.

39:59

No. ALB. Sampson was a better college

40:01

and more dominant college player right in the in

40:04

the peak of the ACC where Carolina

40:07

was winning a national championship, North Carolina

40:09

State was winning a national championship. Okay,

40:11

like Duke was even great, and they had Mark

40:13

Allery and other and other other stars.

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Right, we can go through and it was eight teams

40:18

in the ACC. He won the National

40:20

Player of the Year three times in

40:22

a row, like Wayman, like Wayman

40:24

Tisdale. I don't it didn't make the list

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first Team All American as a freshman at at

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Oklahoma, but they had Trey Young

40:32

in the turn instead of time.

40:35

It was a joke, man, And I thought, look

40:38

Jordan beat Magic in the Final

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four. I thought Magic had a better college

40:42

career. He did. He did the one national

40:45

championship in the game that changed college

40:47

basketball and merely basketball forever

40:49

against Larry Bird. But Jordan and

40:51

Jordan did hit a shot. But that was in his

40:53

freshman year, which he was when he was not a star, you

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know. But I do

40:58

think I guess it entertained

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and filled some time. I would say

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I'd be interested to hear your take on if

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you you know, my wife's from Oklahoma,

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I have friends from Florida. There's a lot of Oklahoma

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and Florida in the story, which makes

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it makes it even more entertaining on some

41:15

level. All Right, the NFL is making some massive

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massive changes. One are

41:20

we good with the draft going forward

41:22

as is? And wait to hear what they're

41:24

doing to the playoffs. It's official, it's next.

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