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The Knicks approval rating among NBA

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players is reportedly at rock bottom

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after releasing a late bland statement

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about racism ESPNS.

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Brian Winhorse said the Knicks will

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have a hard time selling themselves to free

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agents, while former NBA player

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Karn Butler said players and those

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around the league take notice of the team's

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handling of such issues. I

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don't need to be a buzz kill to Brian Winhorse,

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but Brian, free agents were coming

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to the Knicks prior to this. I

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can't expect that they would be coming now

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for any other reason other than money.

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The Knicks, according to Brian Winhorse,

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their rating or approval rating amongst

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players is so low right now it's

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devastating for their hopes to appeal to

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anybody to say, come play

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for us going forward. Wendy

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said this on First Take. Kevin

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Durant said that playing for the Knicks

1:09

is not cool at the moment, because

1:12

I thought Kevin durant along was leaving Golden

1:14

State and he was going to go to the Knicks, and then he would get

1:16

together with Kyrie Irving and all of a sudden they

1:18

would bring glory and joy back

1:21

to New York City and Madison Square Garden.

1:24

I did not know that the

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Knicks were that far down on the

1:28

totem pole with approval rating, but I'm not

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surprised at all. So they weren't

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getting free agents before this. They're

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definitely not getting free agents after

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this. Coming up, we'll talk to Doug Williams

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super Bowl winning quarterbacks. Super Bowl

1:41

twenty two. He threw four touchdown

1:43

passes in the second quarter of

1:45

that game. No quarterback

1:48

has thrown four touchdowns in

1:50

a single quarter in the Super Bowl.

1:53

Nobody has even three touchdown passes

1:55

in a single quarter in a Super Bowl. And

1:57

if you remember that Super Bowl against Denver,

2:00

Doug Williams went down and it looked like he had a

2:02

serious knee injury, and then he came back

2:04

and they blew out the Broncos. But he

2:07

threw three touchdown passes of at

2:09

least twenty five yards in Super Bowl

2:11

twenty two. The only other

2:14

quarterback to do that in a single Super

2:16

Bowl. Joe Montana did it two

2:18

years later in Super Bowl twenty four. So Doug Williams

2:20

will join us. The reason or reasons.

2:23

Doug was a first round draft pick of the Tampa

2:25

Bay Buccaneers. A black quarterback

2:28

going that high was really rare, and

2:31

he was playing on bad teams in Tampa.

2:33

Then they got close. They almost went to the

2:35

Super Bowl, went to the NFC Title

2:37

Game. Lost. That probably could have

2:40

changed the fortunes of Tampa forever

2:42

if they had gone on to that Super Bowl. Doug

2:44

eventually went to the USFL. He

2:47

wanted more money from Tampa. They weren't going to pay him.

2:49

Went to the USFL, then went to the

2:51

Washington Redskins and

2:54

worked his way up to me in the Starter, won a Super

2:56

Bowl. They're basing a movie off

2:58

his life. So Doug Williams, former Grambling

3:01

coach and quarterback, we'll join us. Coming

3:03

up a little bit. Also, Judd Apatow, great

3:06

producer, director, writer, comedian, gave

3:08

us bridesmaids, gave us

3:10

a forty year old virgin. Now he's got

3:12

the King of Staten Island with Pete Davidson.

3:14

So we'll talk to Judd. He'll join us coming

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up live sports this weekend,

3:19

soccer, boxing, golf. I'm

3:22

ready. I don't care who's planning. I'm

3:24

watching, it's live and I'm ready to go. Whole

3:28

question, mcleven. Are we gonna go what we had from the first

3:30

hour? Yeah? I went with would you rather

3:32

win five non major golf tournaments or one

3:34

major? One major? Is barely

3:37

winning fifty two forty eight right now? Well,

3:39

if I know I'm winning the Masters, I'm taking the Masters.

3:43

I think you take the PGA even I

3:46

might depending on what five tournaments.

3:49

So I'm going to win because I can look at the paycheck

3:51

for those and you know what kind

3:53

of status does that helped me become

3:55

on the PGA tour? You know? Do I get?

3:58

You know I'm gonna be on tour, then I'm guaranteed

4:01

to be an X number of events if I win those events,

4:03

and how much money I make? Yeah? Point

4:05

so. But nothing against these sponsors or anything

4:08

like that, but they they're interchangeable. So let's

4:10

say you won the Safeway Open, the CJ

4:12

Cup at Nine Bridges, the Bermuda

4:14

Championship, the Mayacoba Golf

4:17

Classic, and the QBE shootout.

4:20

No one remembers any of those. Those

4:22

are five random ones from the season

4:24

this year. Yeah, but if I get to pick my

4:27

five, then that's different because

4:30

then I'm going to take the Players Championship to start.

4:32

Yes, mcclevin, remember that year the Tiger won a

4:34

bunch of regular season tournaments and win

4:36

a major. Everyone said kind of implied

4:39

that wasn't a great year, or it's good even though

4:41

he's Golfer of the year. It was a letdown

4:43

that Yeah, so he was golfer the

4:45

year and went over for four

4:47

in the majors. Now to Tiger, that's a bad

4:50

year. That's not a bad year for just about

4:52

any other golfer. By the

4:54

way, since twenty fourteen, the

4:56

New York Knicks winning percentage, they

4:59

win thirty percent of the time. Thirty

5:02

percent of the time. That's worse than the NBA.

5:05

And then I'm looking at seeing who they're going to

5:08

bring as a head coach. Tom Thibodeaux

5:10

calling Tibbs is well respected.

5:14

Free agents aren't going to go play for Tom

5:16

Thibodeaux. You know, does

5:18

Jason Kidd get an opportunity here? Now they're

5:20

talking about bringing back Mike Woodson who used

5:22

to be there who shouldn't have gotten

5:24

fired. But you got to get

5:27

somebody in there who's going to breathe some life into

5:29

that franchise, because

5:31

when you think of the Knicks, you think of their

5:33

owner, and that's not what you want

5:35

to think of when you're a fan or a player

5:37

who might want to play there. Yeah, mclev

5:40

is it a big selling point that if you play

5:42

for the Knicks you won't get stuck down in Orlando

5:44

during a pandemic playoff series. So

5:47

that'd be the reason why I would go there in case

5:49

another pandemic breaks out. Yeah,

5:51

I'm on the Knicks. I don't have to worry about going there and

5:53

being the quarantined in the bubble. We've

5:56

been talking about this the last couple of weeks. Change

5:59

comes at different and paces. Sometimes

6:01

it's a slow trickle over years. Sometimes

6:03

it comes right at us all at once in a hurry,

6:06

And this week in sports it's

6:08

been the latter. It started last

6:10

Friday, when the commissioner of the NFL, Roger

6:12

Goodell, said the NFL was wrong about stopping

6:15

players from protesting, also said

6:17

black lives matter. Then

6:19

this week, NASCAR surprised many

6:21

by announcing the Confederate flag

6:23

would be prohibited at races. Other

6:26

leagues, teams, players have made statements,

6:28

joint protests took to social

6:30

media. Sometimes hard to tell what is

6:32

really genuine there, you know what

6:35

is just in the moment. Where are people going

6:37

to be in six months, a year from now.

6:40

The real evidence of people's intentions will

6:42

come out when we see results, and it seems

6:44

like we're seeing some and as tough

6:47

as this month has been, there

6:49

are reasons to be hopeful and

6:51

hopeful that we work on

6:53

this collectively and make people's

6:55

lives better. I guess everything

6:58

is political, including these state that

7:00

I'm making, but I think that most of us want the

7:02

same thing. We want our country to

7:04

be better. I know it sounds

7:06

hollow and maybe it sound

7:08

disingenuous, but it's also what we aspire

7:11

to through it all. You want the country

7:13

to be better. I don't know if Colin

7:16

Kaepernick is going to get a job. I said I didn't

7:18

think he was going to, and I've had that opinion

7:20

for the last four years. I just

7:23

there's nothing that's changed with Colin Kaepernick

7:26

except for he's gotten older. We

7:28

don't know if he's gotten better. As a football

7:30

player. Feels like that the NFL

7:33

is a little more tolerant with Colin

7:35

Kaepernick taking a knee and

7:38

other players. I think Patrick

7:40

Mahomes is the key to all of

7:42

this, And I'll explain when

7:45

Michael Vick went to prison for killing dogs.

7:47

When he came out, Andy

7:50

Reid brought him into Philadelphia

7:52

as a backup quarterback. They

7:54

were protests, but they moved

7:56

past that and Michael Vick proved that he could

7:58

still play. Now. Granted he's younger, three

8:01

years younger than Colin Kaepernick is. Right now,

8:04

Patrick Mahomes has the most secure

8:06

job in the NFL right now. Right

8:10

won a Super Bowl. He's going to get paid

8:12

forty to fifty million dollars. He's

8:15

respected, he's well liked, comes

8:17

from a mixed marriage. His mother is white

8:19

and father's black. Father former

8:21

baseball player, and

8:24

he's been speaking up. He's been

8:26

speaking out. I

8:28

think the Kansas City Chiefs, if

8:31

Colin Kaepernick goes anywhere, is

8:33

going to the Kansas City Chiefs. Pete

8:36

Carroll, the Seattle Seahawks head

8:38

coach, says an NFL team called

8:40

him about Colin Kaepernick. And

8:42

here is Pete Carroll talking about that I

8:45

regret that that didn't happen In some fession,

8:47

I wish we would have contributed to it, because again deserved to

8:49

play. I thought at the time, I just in our

8:51

situation as a backup man.

8:53

I didn't feel it was right at

8:55

that time, so I had to make that football decision.

8:57

It was about our team in the situation we had

9:00

starting quarterback at all of that, and it

9:02

wasn't going to be the open competitive situation

9:04

that I'd like to think all of our spots are because

9:06

Russ was such a dominant figure and all that. So anyway,

9:09

that's what happened, and I

9:11

wish we people would had called me during the time

9:13

before we ever got him in and say, hey, he'd he'd

9:16

be great in your program. He may not be able to play the hero or

9:18

there, but he certainly could play for you. I agree

9:20

with that he could play for us. He could have been a

9:22

fantastic player in a program. Unfortunately

9:24

just didn't work out. And then when you look back, I

9:26

felt like we missed the opportunity. And so as

9:28

I look back at it, I wish we could have

9:30

figured it out and known what we know now

9:33

and give him the chance because I would love

9:35

to see him play football those years. I

9:37

don't know what you know now that you didn't know then, Pete,

9:40

other than he's but three years

9:43

older, four years older,

9:45

and you have a secure quarterback.

9:48

I think at the time, if you brought in Colin Kaepernick,

9:50

which I thought Seattle was going to sign him.

9:52

I thought Baltimore, Seattle was going to sign him.

9:55

And I think at the time, if you said to Colin Kaepernick,

9:58

hey, we're going to bring you in just so

10:00

you know, we have an established quarterback

10:03

with Russell Wilson, I mean, you have Gino

10:05

Smith right now. Is

10:07

Colin Kaepernick better than Gino Smith? Probably

10:10

so? At his best,

10:13

he certainly is. And Pete says,

10:15

I don't know why we didn't sign him, Like there

10:18

had to be a reason why you didn't sign him. Did

10:20

you feel like, hey, that's not fair to Russell

10:22

Wilson. But

10:25

now you and then you tease us

10:27

by saying somebody called you about

10:29

Colin Kaepernick, but then you don't tell us

10:31

who called you about Colin Kaepernick. And

10:36

then you say, well, hey, if I know, if

10:38

I knew now what I knew you, then I remember

10:40

blah blah, whatever I should have you know, we should a sign

10:42

where we could bring him in. Whatever. This

10:46

goes back to what I said. You know, hey, everybody

10:48

wanted to draft Russell Wilson, but nobody did

10:50

through the first three rounds. Hey,

10:54

we thought about bringing in Colin Kaepernick, but

10:56

we have a backup quarterback. Okay,

11:00

I don't know if somebody's going to bring him in. And

11:03

if they do, and you're Colin Kaepernick, why

11:05

are you being brought in? Now? We

11:07

feel sorry for you. Now, we feel like we have

11:10

to give you a handout. Kaepernick

11:12

wants to earn a job. Mike Florio

11:15

from Pro Football Talk said

11:17

that he was reporting Kaepernick

11:20

is in great shape and more motivated to play

11:22

than ever before. Okay,

11:27

if he goes into Kansas

11:30

City, he knows he's not starting, but he's back

11:32

in the league, and then people are gonna

11:34

watch what Colin Kaepernick does,

11:37

and then maybe it's sort of a

11:40

way station, a safe house for him,

11:42

and then maybe he can get a job someplace.

11:45

Maybe that was what my thought process

11:47

was, that Andy Reid can

11:49

do no wrong in Kansas City. Patrick

11:52

Mahomes is the most important player in the NFL,

11:56

most powerful player in the NFL. If

12:00

Holmes who got hurt last year. If

12:02

Mahomes said to Andy Reid

12:05

or vice versa, what do

12:07

you think about bringing in cap I'm

12:10

going to guess that both of those guys would

12:13

probably look at this as in a football

12:17

situation and say, yeah,

12:21

that's a good backup for a guy who

12:23

got injured last year. Now

12:25

you got Matt Moore, I believe, but if

12:27

you're going to bring him in, he

12:29

needs to know, Okay, I'm not going to be

12:31

the starting quarterback, but you're on

12:34

a team. You get to play, and

12:37

Andy Reid will probably take the hit

12:39

if there is a hit. Maybe it's around

12:41

the league, maybe not so much in Kansas City.

12:44

But if Patrick Mahomes said,

12:46

now, it might not be fair to Matt Moore. But

12:50

if you're going to bring in Colin Kaepernick, I thought

12:52

that might be the place I thought Baltimore

12:54

would be. But then I don't know how

12:57

delicate it is if you bring in Kaepernick and

12:59

then you're releasing a black quarterback

13:01

in Robert Griffin Junior

13:03

the third I don't know if you

13:06

know this sensitivity was something

13:08

like that. I don't know, but I thought Seattle

13:11

was going to I thought Baltimore was

13:13

going to And the more I think about it, Kansas

13:16

City to me makes the most sense. Yeah,

13:19

Paul, staying with Kansas City. You've said that you

13:21

don't think callin Kabernick should or will

13:24

take a backup job in the NFL. But if you're Kavernick

13:26

and you think to yourself, if I sign with

13:28

the Chiefs, there's a solid chance that

13:30

I'm standing on the sidelines during the national anthem

13:32

of the Super Bowl next year, or playing on a Super Bowl

13:34

team, the biggest stage in all of sports,

13:37

A two week media blitz

13:40

around you, even though you're

13:42

the backup, two weeks where

13:44

the Chiefs. The Chiefs are the favorites next year. Right,

13:46

Yeah, think about that. If

13:48

you're thinking about both football and spreading

13:51

your message, what better team. Well, this

13:53

is what I was told by a TV executive yesterday,

13:56

and he said, teams are gonna

13:58

want to know what the most

14:00

what's more important to you, social

14:02

cause or football? Because

14:04

if it's football, then you got to show

14:06

us that football is more important. Social

14:09

activism is one thing. And this

14:11

was going to make teams a little concern I don't want to

14:13

say nervous, but they would be concerned

14:15

about this. Because are you here

14:18

because of a cause? Are you here because you

14:20

want to play football? If Mike Florio

14:23

is right that Kaepernick is more motivated than

14:25

ever, then you want to see that motivation

14:28

being able to play. And I just think

14:30

getting back into that routine,

14:33

even if you're going to be a backup quarterback to Patrick

14:35

Mahomes. Could he compete

14:37

for other jobs around the league, Yes, but

14:40

owners want to see what he

14:42

will be like, how he handles himself.

14:46

And we might get to the point, this

14:49

is three months from now, with

14:51

all the social activism and protesting,

14:54

do we get to the point where because Colin

14:57

Kaepernick took a knee because he wanted to shed a

14:59

light on this. The light

15:01

has been shed on this many

15:03

lights. It's really bright right

15:06

now. Do you need to then

15:08

kneel during the anthem

15:11

to bring light bring this to light.

15:14

You've already done that, You might say,

15:16

Okay, mission accomplished. When

15:19

it comes to a football game and an anthem, we're

15:22

not going to We're not going to kneel. We

15:24

don't need to. We're going to do other

15:27

things. And that's what

15:29

I'm curious about. In three months from now,

15:31

that's a long long time We're

15:34

three months into this pandemic, and look at

15:36

where we are right now to where we were three

15:38

months ago. Where are we going to be as

15:41

a society in three months? Where will

15:43

we be football wise? And

15:46

we might get to a point where and I

15:48

don't want to speak for the African American players,

15:51

I'm just looking at this thinking, you've

15:54

shed a light on this, which is what Kaepernick

15:57

wanted, Eric Reid wanted, Malcolm Jenkins

15:59

wanted. So what is the next step? And

16:03

that's what I'm curious about when it comes to this, because

16:05

it could open the door for Kaepernick to

16:07

get a legitimate chance, because

16:10

Kaepernick could say we're

16:12

doing this now, we're moving forward

16:14

with this, we have mission accomplished

16:17

with what we wanted to do back in twenty sixteen.

16:20

And I think that the next stage is

16:22

what's important for these players, and

16:25

leading the charge is Patrick

16:27

Mahomes. We'll take a break. Doug

16:29

Williams certainly went through his fair

16:32

share of racism, and he'll

16:34

tell you some of those stories. Known Doug

16:36

a long time, and the highs and lows

16:39

of coming out of Grambling being a first

16:41

round pick. Then you go to the woeful

16:43

Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and in two years

16:45

they're on the verge of going to the Super Bowl. They

16:47

go to the NFC Title Game. Remember

16:49

they had Ricky Bell, the Selman

16:52

Brothers. They had a good team,

16:54

good team and got to the NFC

16:57

Title Game. And then after that he wanted

16:59

more money and I went to the USFL,

17:02

got back into the NFL and had one of the great

17:04

performance in Super Bowl history super

17:06

Bowl twenty two. And now they're making a movie

17:08

on his life. Should be good. Radio.

17:11

Coming up, Doug Williams will join us. We'll take a

17:13

break here coming up on nineteen after

17:15

the hour here on The Dan Patrick Show. Thanks

17:17

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R. I always loved spending

17:37

some time with Doug Williams, the Redskins

17:39

senior vice president player development. First

17:42

round pick by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers back

17:44

in nineteen seventy eight, got a biopick

17:47

based on his life coming out Doug

17:49

Jones us on the program. Wow,

17:51

that's quite a tiger you have behind

17:54

us. You're grambling tiger behind us, Doug.

17:56

That's menacing. Oh do you have your

17:59

mute button on? Yeah? I got

18:03

to run this stuff. Man, everything is I

18:06

thought you were on a silent count of the line of scrimmage

18:08

there and you weren't saying anything. No, it's

18:11

in the stadium. Take

18:14

me back. I know that you have a

18:16

book and autobiography called quarter

18:18

Black. Um, why

18:21

do you respond or why did you title it the quarter

18:23

Black? Well, you know because

18:26

every way I went when I came out Danny

18:28

Hugh Greem member and going to Tampa

18:31

every article that was written it was never

18:34

Doug Williams the quarterback of the Buccaneers.

18:37

It was either Tampa Bay's black quarterback

18:40

or either Doug Williams Tampa Bay's black quarterback.

18:43

And if you read early in the book,

18:45

I always say the anyone who tied

18:47

at a quarter black. So that was a good

18:49

name for the book at And

18:51

I remember, didn't somebody ask you how long you've

18:53

been a black quarterback? When you were at the super Bowl.

18:56

That was the one of media days named

18:59

Bush Jones blessed his soul. He's going

19:01

on to heaven. Now. I knew Butch

19:04

because he worked in Jackson, Misissippi with the

19:06

paper. But I and I looked at that from

19:08

a standpoint. You got a guy he was nervous.

19:10

He wanted to get his questions out because so

19:13

many people was a round. I don't think he meanted

19:15

the way it came out. And he just want

19:17

to know how long I've been in a black quarterback. My answer

19:19

to him was since I

19:21

left Bramlin, because when I was at Grammar, I wasn't

19:24

a black carterback. I

19:27

wonder if the Buccaneers didn't draft you in

19:29

the first round. I wonder

19:31

if you would have been drafted in the first round. Do you

19:33

think you still would have been taken in the first round? Do

19:37

I really do it was either two teams.

19:39

I think that was a great possibility.

19:42

And let me say it before I get that June Jones.

19:45

I think we all know who June Jones are. Yeah.

19:47

June Jones was the backup quarterback for

19:49

the Atlanta Facons behind

19:52

Steve Bakowski, and we played the

19:54

Atlanta Falcons Tampa

19:56

and the Falcons played and after the game

20:00

June Jones walked up to me and he said, man, it's

20:02

a shame. He said, cousin, actually you

20:04

should have been the number one pick in the whole draft.

20:07

And you know that's that's the hear of that. But I

20:09

think Tampa was smart enough to know that

20:12

black quarterback coming out in nineteen seventy

20:14

eight, they could trade and get

20:16

some most draft picks and everything, and

20:19

I probably would still be there at number seventeen,

20:21

and they made that move. So that's what happened. But I do

20:24

believe two other teams and and

20:26

and just just the from conversation

20:29

with these teams during that time, and that was

20:31

either the Dallas Cowboy GiB

20:33

bran and and John

20:36

Wooden talked to them a lot at

20:38

that particular time. And the other one was Barkstar

20:40

at Greenback. Oh, that

20:42

would have been interesting. But Greenbay had two draft

20:44

picks that year. They picked

20:47

Jane Lofton and I don't know who they picked down.

20:49

Uh. I think they was picking twenty six early

20:52

on and then number twenty six, So I could have even

20:54

have been the late pick for the

20:57

Green Bay Packers. How did you keep

20:59

the US inside what you

21:02

you know you were experiencing racism

21:04

at the time, but I don't

21:06

know to what degree well

21:09

for me to be able to handle it and even to

21:11

today, uh Dan, you know, I

21:13

think I handled it with the handle with a lot of grace

21:15

because number why, I grew up in uh

21:18

South Louisiana, and I

21:20

understood what racism was way back

21:22

when. You know, born in nineteen fifty

21:25

five, so I was in you know, young

21:27

boy doing the civil rights time. So when

21:29

you set around, you hear your grandmother

21:32

and your granddaddy, your mom, your dad talk

21:34

about what's going on. You know, I

21:36

knew every Friday night from

21:38

cross road across or where I lived, that was

21:40

a crossing the cross road

21:43

down to my right was by the mile, and down

21:45

to my left was by the mile, and in between

21:47

that it was all black family. So every

21:50

Friday night that was a cross

21:52

burning at those those intersections, and

21:54

you know, all the men's in the neighborhood when the cross

21:57

go up, we'll get in their cars and trucks,

21:59

you know, with their guns and stuff to try to find

22:01

out who was burning across. You know, one

22:03

of those scare tacts back in the day as

22:05

to stay in your plays. And I remember

22:08

going on the way to Baton Rouge A small

22:10

town actually, Zacher,

22:12

i'man Zacher, small town baker. I

22:15

remember stopping at the red light one time. A little

22:17

boy in the back of the car with my dad and

22:19

actual guy with the hood came up to

22:21

give us a pamphlet or the Kookler's claim. I

22:24

mean that's how Fredly was back in the day. So

22:26

you understood what you was up against

22:28

back in those days. Wait, remember the KKK

22:31

gave you a pamphlet and your dad a pamphlet.

22:33

My dad didn't take it. I mean he walked to the

22:36

car at the red light. It was kind of like when you

22:38

you go places and you see people who

22:40

kind of a homeless accent some money.

22:43

Yeah, they was walking around passing out pamplets

22:46

and everybody who stopped at the red light. I

22:48

guess recruiting for the Kokla claims. How'd

22:51

your dad explain why they're burning across and

22:53

why these these men are wearing

22:55

sheets over their heads? Were The most

22:57

important thing for us was you know, boys

23:00

three girls was always being

23:02

the right plays at the right time. Don't get caught

23:04

in situations that something cruel

23:07

can happen to you. You know, my

23:09

dad and m always talked about some of the things

23:12

that happened, you know, you talk about

23:14

people getting you know, murdered

23:16

and stuff like that. Nobody ever find

23:18

out what happened to him, you know, things like that. He

23:21

just it was almost a scare tactic

23:23

back in the day, as don't do this.

23:25

And I remember when LSU

23:27

and Old Miss played. You

23:30

know, the highway that I live off was

23:32

like a main strip from Mississippi

23:34

all the way to Baton Rouge. We called it. I

23:36

lived off plank Road Highway sixty

23:39

seven. And when

23:41

they played each other, when when Old

23:43

Miss had to come to Batton Rouge, we was not allowed

23:46

to be on the streets at that particular time because

23:48

crazy stuff, having people flow stuff out there

23:50

wondering. I did one day going

23:53

from my house to my grandmother's house, who

23:55

lived about half a mile down, and walking

23:57

on the neutral ground, got hit in the face.

24:00

He's with a chocolate malt, you know, just so

24:02

having had to be chocolate, so a taste pretty good.

24:06

He's Doug Williams, the Redskins senior vice

24:08

president of player Development, a former Super

24:10

Bowl MVP. You know, I thought of Super

24:13

Bowl twenty two Timmy Smith.

24:15

You're running back. He was number twenty? Was

24:17

he? What was his number? Him is

24:19

thirty six? Thirty six? Tony Lily

24:22

was twenty two? Wasn't he was

24:24

twenty two? Tony Lily was the defensive

24:26

back of the Broncos. I felt bad you

24:28

were picking on Tony Lily in Super Bowl

24:30

twenty You were picking on twenty two in Super

24:33

Bowl twenty two. Doug him,

24:35

he was just having to be in the wrong play. Oh,

24:41

Tony got Tony got burned. I

24:43

remember the Ricky Grant TV on the play

24:45

acts on a six account

24:47

of play action. You know, we ran the six

24:50

accounts so way out all the time, and

24:52

he came up and been on the run, and

24:55

it was almost like it was almost

24:57

like when Rent when when Ricky went behind him.

24:59

I to see him turn around and saying, damn,

25:04

I think he's a high school coach now in

25:06

this area. He's a high school coach in the Virginia

25:09

area. I saw him about about

25:11

three years ago. Him and not talking about three years.

25:13

You should just show up in your Redskins jersey

25:16

and with a football there and see

25:18

his reaction there. I wouldn't do that him

25:20

about talking about it he laughing

25:23

about it today, and I think we all got a good

25:25

laugh at it. And now you

25:27

know, it was more overt. You were mentioning

25:29

the racism that you face. But then you get into the NFL

25:32

where it's a little more covert. It feels

25:35

like, what was that like the

25:37

difference of growing up and

25:39

then you go to the NFL where you think, I'm a first round

25:41

draft pick, I'm successful, we are

25:43

almost going to the super Bowl with the Tampa Bay

25:46

Buccaneers, the worst team in football two years

25:48

earlier. And then what happens, Well,

25:51

you know the thing about it that's old cliche.

25:53

You can't go no further south than

25:55

Florida, And I was. I

25:58

was at of Florida, and uh,

26:01

you know when I first got there, my first year

26:03

was good. But at the same time, you

26:05

know, we ended up five and seven, my my

26:08

five and and leven my my rookie

26:10

year. I got my job broke and all that. And

26:12

Ricky Bell, bless his soul, consoled

26:16

me probably every week when things weren't

26:18

going well and people was born.

26:20

Ricky Bell was the one to put his arms around

26:23

me and say, hey, I've had to go through it, man,

26:25

it's tough, but just just keep going forward.

26:27

And the second year was was great,

26:30

Dan, you know, because we was winning. We

26:32

won the first five games out the box and

26:35

had to we lost three in a row down the

26:37

stretch and had to win the last game of

26:39

the year and order getting the playoffs. And we

26:41

did that three nothing against the Kansas City Chief

26:44

and it was almost that old cliche from

26:46

worst to first. So that was great.

26:49

But the next couple of years, you know, the

26:51

fans was a little different. I can remember walking

26:54

to the sideline and that was a late in the stands.

26:56

I see it now with some replays later

26:59

in staying had a little black dog like it was

27:01

on a rope, just dating. I guess

27:03

they let's hang him. You know, Oh, no, got

27:06

fan mail. You know, you get

27:08

fan mail with no return

27:10

the address. You open it up and you

27:12

just throw in the trash team. But the one

27:14

that really got me was I had a nice box

27:17

and I you know, it's amazing how much time

27:19

it took to wrap this box. And when

27:21

I opened that box, it was

27:24

a rotting watermelon in there in a note. Let's

27:26

say throw it to these end they can catch

27:28

this. I mean, that was truly amazing

27:30

to take that much time to put a rotten watermelon,

27:33

then to write a rotten note. But

27:35

you almost taking this team to the super

27:37

Bowl, and then these fans turned on you that quickly.

27:41

Where then you know, we all got

27:43

to be real. Nineteen seventy eight, it

27:45

wasn't so much about U turn

27:48

on its I did. You got a black

27:50

quarterback. You got a black quarterback,

27:52

and you know, it was almost unheard of. It wasn't

27:54

used to No matter what you did, it wasn't good enough.

27:57

And that's just the way it was. And I understood

27:59

that. You know. Coach Rob used

28:02

to always tell him, hell, you just got to

28:04

go out and out play him, you know, and

28:06

and and nothing they could do about it. If you can play at

28:08

Graham and you can play anywhere. And that's the

28:10

attitude we took. And I had my old brother

28:12

to come fi in and James

28:15

Harris, who I called all the time. But

28:17

the good thing I had John McCay. I

28:20

had John McCay. Here's a guy that the

28:22

nineteen sixty five and in the

28:24

middle of the Civil rights movement, Jimmy

28:27

Jones was his quarterback. I think

28:29

it. Lets you know, it wasn't about color with John

28:31

McKay with his quarterback, and he felt

28:33

like he always told me, he said, Doug, ain't

28:36

no doubt about it. He say, you know, the

28:38

best athlete gonna play for me and

28:40

the best player, he says, so you don't have to worry

28:43

about it. And you know always what's fund

28:46

of what coach McKay said. And he

28:49

was so I don't want

28:51

to say ahead of his time. I mean he was,

28:53

but everybody should have been ahead

28:55

of their time or it should have been what was real

28:58

in the moment. But here's a guy who you

29:00

guys. He takes a USC team to

29:03

Alabama and all of a sudden Bear

29:05

Bryant sees these great athletes there,

29:07

and all of a sudden says, I I gotta get me some of

29:09

those great athletes there. And it was

29:12

thinking about coach McCain. You know, he was. He

29:14

was passionate about his players, and he

29:16

didn't care what color they were. At one

29:18

point before I got there, I can remember they told me

29:21

that he was going up in the stand at a fan

29:23

for for somebody to yell him take

29:25

them ends back to the California,

29:28

you know, because he had a bunch of guys from California

29:30

off the USC team and right for the Soul.

29:33

They were winning, So you you want guys

29:35

who can win. But coach McKay protected

29:37

his players no matter what color they were, and I

29:39

thought that was the plug. Wasn't there a time when

29:41

you were starting in the NFL? I don't

29:44

know if this was Tampa, maybe it was Washington,

29:46

but you were the at least

29:48

fiftieth highest paid quarterback

29:51

in the NFL at the time. Does that sound about

29:53

right? I was in Tampa, I was number fifty

29:56

four and you were starting. I

29:58

was a fifth to fourth. It was only when any team

30:00

that if

30:03

I do the math there, and I come

30:05

to find out that the backup

30:07

quarterback, Mike Ray, who had played

30:10

at a see Mike Ray was making more money

30:12

to me and he was my backup. Oh no,

30:15

how do you not get angry? Or

30:19

did you? Well? You know

30:22

what, that's a good course to not that I didn't get

30:24

angry, but you know what, what what? What

30:26

could I have done back then? And you

30:28

and I both know back then, if

30:30

you got cut and somebody get

30:32

on the telephone and tell you, you know, I wouldn't

30:34

take this guy, and you know he's this

30:36

and he's that you was gone. Wasn't no

30:39

salary capiflication wasn't nothing.

30:41

You know, you just got to leave. You you were getting

30:43

another opportunity. So to me, it was

30:45

all about being humble and deal

30:48

with it for what you had to deal with. You know, I played

30:50

played all my life for nothing in college

30:52

and high school and enjoy the game

30:55

or nine of business. But at the same time you

30:57

was getting paid. It might have been fairly after

31:00

the five years was love When it was time to negotiate,

31:02

I think I thought I looked at it from a different perspective.

31:05

Then I just brought up a couple of minutes

31:07

ago prior to you joining us, that I

31:09

think Kaepernick and the best

31:12

landing spot would be Kansas City. Andy

31:14

Reid just won a Super Bowl. He brought in Michael

31:16

Vick after he went to prison. You got

31:19

the most secure position in

31:21

football with Patrick Mahomes, and

31:23

you could bring him in as a backup quarterback

31:26

just to get him back in the game and

31:28

then maybe he gets a fair shot

31:30

with somebody after that, a real

31:33

contract, a real offer. What

31:35

do you think about that? Well, I think you know, when

31:37

you talk about Andy Reid, number one, you're talking

31:39

about an a number one individual.

31:43

You know, I had an opportunity to

31:45

talk to Andy Reid right

31:47

out that he brought Michael big Back. And

31:50

what I asked him was, Coach, give

31:52

me one reason why you bring Michael big

31:55

big Back. And he told me he was

31:57

as real as real can get. You know,

31:59

he had two sons and they

32:01

had gotten in a little trouble. He said, hey,

32:04

my son got in trouble. He said, everybody

32:07

deserved a second chance. And then, you know what,

32:09

that was good enough for me. And I think

32:11

if anybody could could was dumb

32:13

it that and Hannah Kaepernick

32:16

and and and mentor him and understand

32:19

where he's coming from, it would be in the red.

32:22

If you didn't go to the USFL, then

32:24

you go to Oklahoma. I believe I wonder

32:27

right like how important that was for you

32:30

to get back into the NFL. To

32:33

be honest with you, then it wasn't okay.

32:37

I did not play one single down to

32:39

football in nineteen eighty three, and

32:42

I always looked at it from this standpoint. You

32:44

know, when I went to Granma State University was

32:46

not to play professional football. I

32:49

went there to get a degree and helped him vis education

32:51

to be a coach. My oldest brother was my first

32:53

coach. I wanted to be like my oldest brother. And

32:56

in nineteen eighty three, when went

32:58

through the contract to situation with the

33:00

Buccaneers, I spent

33:03

the whole year at Northwestern Middle

33:05

School and Zachary, where my brother

33:07

was the principal, as a substitute teacher.

33:10

So and you know, and then

33:12

I had a you know, baby girl at that particular

33:15

time. So football wasn't

33:17

that important to me in nineteen eighty three because

33:19

I just lost my wife. And in

33:21

eighty three was you realize in life

33:24

that football might not be

33:26

as important as life. And the most important

33:29

thing is you being happy doing what you

33:31

want to do. Who's gonna play you in the movie

33:34

That's a good course? Now, I don't know, you

33:36

know my kids. I was on a zoom

33:38

call with him last night and all they

33:40

was talking about getting there that telormade

33:43

suits red in the black dress to

33:45

walk the red carpeted. I

33:50

got a son who's actually the quarter

33:53

to control coach in the quarterback room

33:55

down in New Orleans, and he

33:58

saved her dad. I could clear a young Williams,

34:02

all right? Can he throw like you?

34:05

I tell you what. He had a good arm. He's tall, and he's skinner

34:07

though he's about six more. He played

34:09

for me and Grammar and we did

34:12

win a conference championship with him, so um.

34:14

But he's been down there with Sean Payton and the

34:17

last three years, so he's doing pretty good. Did

34:19

the Redskins consider Colin Kaepernick

34:22

since you worked with him? Has that conversation? Has

34:24

that ever come It didn't never come up?

34:27

Then, I think what happened here? You

34:29

know, we were in a heavily, heavily military

34:33

era and I think the guy

34:35

that sits on Pennsylvania Avenue

34:37

sixteen Pennsylvania Avenue

34:39

and made such a big stink of the

34:42

fans in this area might have been a tough situation

34:45

for both the team and him.

34:48

And sometimes you don't want to bring people

34:50

in a situation where

34:52

nobody's gonna be happy. And I think that's

34:55

that's probably what happened, right, He didn't come up during

34:57

that time. Great to talk to you. It's always

35:00

I wish you luck with the movie. Hope you find

35:02

somebody handsome who can throw a nice spiral to

35:04

play you in the movie. And the book

35:06

is quarter Black. It's Doug Williams,

35:09

the former Super Bowl Hero. Great to talk to you

35:11

again, Doug. Thanks, they appreciate it. All

35:13

right, Well, take a break. We'll come back after this and The

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even things? Uh getting a little

36:06

cluttered over there with all that paperwork, Yeah, yes

36:08

they are. It's just hitting you now that your

36:10

desk is a tad cluttered.

36:14

Do you guys think it's a mess. It's your

36:16

desk looks like you know when you go in the grocery

36:18

store and they have seventy oranges and a pile,

36:20

and if you take one orange out, the whole thing is gonna

36:23

fall. You see those videos when I walk by

36:25

your desk. I walk by your desk every morning before you enter.

36:27

I walk slowly around, I make no physical

36:30

contact with your desk, and I drop a pile of papers

36:32

for you to read. I haven't touched your desk in

36:34

the eight years because I'm so afraid that the

36:36

whole thing's gonna collapse. Well, we do have

36:39

a lot here, and it's

36:42

kind of encroaching on my actual job

36:44

because I collect everything here.

36:47

Let's clean it up. No, I can't. What

36:50

do you mean can't? I just can't

36:52

get rid of anything. I can't. You have

36:54

time. It's one thing to collect stuff, but you don't have to

36:56

necessary display everything. You can hold on to

36:58

millions of things. But if you in a more appropriate

37:01

place that you're not scrambling for important papers.

37:03

But it all has a purpose here,

37:06

Yes, because Todd is actually the exact opposite

37:09

of you, where he would take everything that he

37:11

needed for work every day, just in his briefcase

37:13

take it out in the morning, put it back in in the afternoon,

37:15

and leave. He's He's the exact opposite

37:17

of it. You would never know I even worked there. Yes, my

37:19

cubicar was spotless. But once I shoved everything

37:22

back in my briefcase, you would think that, like, that's

37:24

something that happened to me, and there's nobody there is

37:26

perfectly clean. Maybe a piece of salary,

37:29

a piece of my tuna sandwich from lunch, that's about it. Yeah,

37:32

but you have a briefcase, and you don't need a briefcase.

37:36

I don't. I do. I have a lot of stuff in my bag that I

37:38

don't need. I have stuff in there as if, like for

37:40

some if you would think that like I was going to be like

37:42

leaving home for a while and like just you like to

37:44

give the presentation that you're a businessman.

37:47

Yes, yeah, you had a look important

37:50

that you got a lot of stuff going on. We have our discover

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37:55

great Cody from Tennessee who joined

37:57

us to tell us about the time he was offered a

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38:01

the SEC as a punter. Here is Cody,

38:05

all right, more phone calls Cody in Tennessee.

38:07

Hi, Cody, what do you have for me today? Hey

38:09

Soros, I've just comment on

38:12

the design and Paan, I

38:14

played n SEC for four years and so

38:17

seen it and was around it, and

38:19

uh, I'd be surprised to see

38:22

if there's uh, if there's a paper trail.

38:24

You know, my one of my favorite coaches

38:26

told me that he's like, you know, if

38:28

the NCAA comes looking, the programs

38:31

that are trying to be the cleanest will be the dirtiest

38:34

from the outside because there's not

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a facilitator. And then you have

38:38

road boosters who are doing dumb

38:41

things. I got to offer to Tahoe. I

38:44

was dumb enough to call my dam and tell him I was on the way

38:46

to get it, and and

38:49

so I didn't get it. But you know, it's

38:52

simple to do. You know. My booster

38:55

calls his car guy, tells him what I'm

38:57

good for, and I was en

38:59

route to go. You had three on the lot

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used, and so

39:04

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39:06

I apply for the financing in house.

39:09

I'm gonna guarantee you get approved in house,

39:12

and and then he's gonna give me

39:14

the money to take the payment every blot. So

39:16

that was Cody, our Tennessee

39:19

reporter. There a punter in the SEC

39:21

didn't want to tell us which school. I

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39:46

Sean and California. Hi, Sean, what do you have

39:48

for me today? Good morning, Dan,

39:51

Thanks for taking my call. Sure, I

39:53

was just wanting to comment on some

39:56

of the things you were talking about with the Colin Kaepernick

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situation and where my be a great

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landing spot for him. I agree with everything

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you said, but I think an even better spot

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for him would be the Baltimore Ravens

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for all the reasons that you

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mentioned that Andy Reid and that team with a

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very secure quarterback position. All

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that makes sense, but the Ravens also

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have Greg Roman and almost the exact same

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offense. Ye said he was running in San

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Francisco with I mean, Frank Or is

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mark ingram and possession receivers

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all over the place. And for whatever reason,

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Lamar Jackson, who they're not gonna bench for Colin

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Kaepernick, whatever reason, he goes down,

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and you got a guy that you could plug in.

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That makes all the sense in the world to me. The

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only thing that I was thinking of that could have been a

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problem is the failure

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to get it done a couple of years ago,

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which Colin Kaepernick's girlfriend Chiman

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and saying the things that she said about the Ravens. But

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at a certain point, you gotta make smart football

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decisions, and that just seems like the smartest

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to me. Yeah, that's been brought up before, Sean.

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And those are the two teams that I thought. I

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thought Seattle to begin with an end it was

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Baltimore. Now that the Chiefs have won

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the Super Bowl. You have Andy Reid there,

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he's secure in his job, and you've got Patrick

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Mahomes. He's got the most secure

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job in all the football and he has

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been not outspoken,

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He's just speaking up. And I

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think that that could be a

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soft landing space for Colin Kaepernick.

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I don't know why Seattle didn't bring him in because

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Pete Carroll brought it up that they talked about

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it, but he said it was

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a different time, and maybe

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he gets a chance. Maybe he just comes

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in and understands we'll be a backup quarterback for

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a year, so people can see how I

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handled this, what are my actions, And

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then maybe he gets a legitimate chance. Judd

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