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Danuel Jeremiah start of the NFL

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Network. If you could get a totally

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honest answer with Tom Brady

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on any topic, what would you want to know about

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Tom? If you're the quarterbackh of the Baltimore

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Ravens their personnel, how

1:01

many Super Bowls would you have won there? So?

1:05

I bet you if he told the truth, he'd take ten. Really,

1:09

you've got arguing me the greatest middle linebacker

1:11

of all time, arguably the greatest free safety

1:13

of all time. What top three left tackle

1:15

in NFL history? In the Jonathan Ogden broadcasting

1:19

from the Mercedes Man Cave, he just blew

1:22

my mind there. This is Dan

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Patrick. Welcome to the program. Already

1:26

in progress. It's our two. On this Thursday,

1:29

we spent some time with Ernie Johnson from TNT.

1:32

Last hour, we'll talk to Jack Nicholas, eighteen

1:35

time major winner, and

1:37

it was on this day in nineteen seventy

1:39

two that he won the fourth of his six

1:41

screen jackets. Jim Nance. Hello, friends.

1:44

We'll talk to him what he thinks Augusta will

1:46

be like in November. He'll

1:48

join us coming up a little bit later on and call

1:50

him doctor Myron Roll Mass

1:52

General Hospital doctor. You'll talk

1:55

about the coronavirus, the impact

1:57

that it's had there. He's a former

1:59

defensive back from Florida State and in

2:01

the NFL decided that he wanted to go into med

2:04

school and he is now a doctor.

2:06

Got a pull question, mclevan. Are we going to stick with

2:08

that from the first hour? Yeah,

2:10

because I want to see the results change. The question was

2:13

would rather your kid be a doctor or professional

2:15

athlete? Fifty seven percent said doctor.

2:18

Well, I think that's what you say publicly, but you

2:21

know this is an anonymous poll question. So

2:24

if I said, well, I threw

2:26

out if your son could be the second

2:28

baseman for the Detroit Tigers. Would

2:30

that be good? And then mclovin said, Hey, I have a

2:32

problem with that because they had

2:35

three different second basemans for the Detroit

2:37

Tigers and they're all terrible. Yeah,

2:40

but you're still the second baseman for all right.

2:42

How about you're the left fielder for the Seattle

2:45

Mariners. Yeah, okay,

2:47

I looked that up. He's Todd suggested that they

2:49

don't even have a starting left fielder, are also

2:52

terrible. Can you can I be a wide receiver for

2:54

these? Wait? So left field is empty? They

2:57

just platoon a bunch of random guys according to

2:59

the I'm not sure. I haven't want Samarina's

3:02

place since Griffy was there, But can I be a

3:04

wide receiver for like the Jaguars?

3:07

Yeah, if you want to, sure, Good

3:09

luck with that. We spent some time talking

3:11

about Tom Brady the interview with Howard

3:14

Stern yesterday. And you

3:16

know, the point that I made with this

3:18

with Tom Brady is Tom

3:20

is so good at not telling you anything

3:22

about football. But Howard

3:25

was honing in on, let's talk about you

3:27

the person in your personal life with your wife,

3:30

and that's where I think he got some gold yesterday,

3:32

and you know he's talking about, look, we

3:35

were going to see a marriage counselor she

3:37

basically said, hey, this is all about you, and

3:39

it can't be you got to help me out at home. And you

3:42

know, just that's sort of what you wanted

3:44

a window into who is Tom Brady

3:46

because the guy we see feels

3:48

a little robotic there. But what

3:51

Howard was doing over that two hour period

3:53

is you're

3:56

just trying to chip away. You're just trying to get something.

3:59

And then you follow up on him, and you

4:02

know, we got some of that yesterday Brady.

4:04

Also, you know, this is something

4:06

that Brady became a victim of what

4:09

happened with all of his other teammates, and that is Bill

4:11

Belichick treated this like a business and

4:13

Brady, you know, was treating it personally.

4:17

He had one hundred and sixty three different players

4:19

on at least one of his Super Bowl winning

4:21

teams, only in

4:24

fact, no player was on more

4:26

than three of those teams, so interchangeable

4:29

parts. And then Tom eventually got caught up in that

4:31

that he was one of those interchangeable parts.

4:33

All right, we'll get to your phone calls

4:36

and let's make way for Jack Nicholas, who

4:38

joins us on the program. Good morning Jack. How are

4:40

you, hey, Dan? How are you doing? Where

4:42

are you right now? I'm at home.

4:45

I've been here for about three and a half weeks

4:47

in the house. Are

4:49

you what are you doing to kind of keep your mind

4:52

going? Well, I'm calling that Dan

4:54

packet. I

4:57

know I had to tell you Jack, not today, all

5:00

meet tomorrow here, Let's let's do

5:02

it on the anniversary. I can do I

5:04

can do that again. You know I'm not

5:06

doing anything else. I'm telling you. I just I'm

5:09

sitting to him. I think I watched Caddie Shaft

5:11

about four times, and Stripes

5:13

a couple of times, and you know, a

5:16

couple with a few good men. I think I've seen that a couple

5:18

of times. I mean, you know, you've watched watch

5:21

a little bit of everything. Is there a

5:23

putting green or chipping area that you go

5:25

out and can you do that? Oh?

5:28

I can, But I don't, you know, I

5:30

don't. I've got I've got

5:32

a little artificial putting green out

5:34

in back, which I've had for about seven or

5:36

eight years. I don't think I've ever hit a putt on it. Really

5:40

well, you know, I don't once I stopped playing

5:42

golf, I just sort of, you know, stopped doing

5:45

that stuff. Well,

5:47

you know, this is the anniversary, if I think, from

5:49

your seventy two Masters championship.

5:51

But of all the championships, which one

5:53

do you get the most questions about? Well,

5:56

I think obviously eighty six. I

5:59

mean, I think that seventy five was

6:01

a pretty pretty good year

6:03

and the wisecoff and Miller coming

6:05

down the stretch that was that was a heck of a tournament.

6:08

But at eighty six is a one where

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I wasn't supposed to win and nobody

6:12

expected me to win, including me, and

6:15

I found lightning in the bottle and it works.

6:18

But also when you go out and you just

6:20

post a score and then you're

6:23

waiting because normally you're usually

6:25

in that final twosome. You know the difference

6:27

between actually being out there competing

6:30

with somebody or waiting to see what happens.

6:32

How agonizing was

6:34

that for you? Well, you know,

6:36

I think that when we started

6:39

the day, I was four shots back and I

6:41

had eight players in front of me, and

6:43

I thought that was reasonable. And my

6:45

son Steve had called me in the morning and he said,

6:48

what do you think, Pop said, I said, well, Steve, I

6:50

think I think sixty six or sixty

6:52

five will win. He says, exact score.

6:55

I haven't mind go shoot it. So I had

6:57

a you know, sort of a little bit of a field

6:59

of Chris Jackie was on the bag, and

7:02

uh we uh we

7:05

got going. We didn't get a very good start, and we

7:08

were sort of just even through eight holes. Then

7:10

I birdied the ninth hole, and on Bertie Tan birdied

7:13

eleven. You know, sort of got a little enthusiasm.

7:15

Then I bowtie twelve at the end up turn around Birdie

7:18

thirteen, of course, and I eagled fifteen,

7:20

Birdie sixteen, and birdie seventeen.

7:22

And that's when I got into the lead of the tournament. So

7:25

once I got into the lead of the tournament, I finished and

7:27

all of a sudden, you

7:29

know, it looks like I've got a shot to win. I went

7:31

into the Jones cabin

7:34

and sat there, and I

7:37

was sitting in a couch and watching watched

7:40

Tom Kite missed his putt at the last hole,

7:42

and then I watched, uh Sevey or

7:45

not sev Sevey had already

7:47

passed because he hit at the water in fifteen. But the

7:49

Greg Norman started Bertie, Uh,

7:51

you know, he made made I think I four or five birdies

7:53

in a row, and I'm sitting on the couch and I

7:55

said, yeah, he's making too many birdies,

7:58

so let me sitting here. So I got up, walked

8:00

around behind the couch, stood up, and watched the last

8:02

two Hols thirty seventeen. I said, well, I'm

8:04

gonna stay here though on it. But you know, you know, there's

8:07

nothing you can do about it. All you're sitting there and doing is

8:09

watching. And that's

8:12

not usually been my mode. My

8:14

mode is you're right being in one of the last couple

8:16

of groups and playing

8:18

for it right down to the end. But this time I was sitting there

8:21

watching the last few groups, and I'll

8:23

tell you that's a little harder. What did you say

8:25

from nineteen eighty six Masters? What

8:28

did I want from it? Save save

8:31

like clubs your plaid

8:33

pants? Well, you know, oddly

8:36

enough, the only I have every single

8:38

golf club that I ever want a major with

8:40

except one. And you can guess what that is.

8:43

That's that big putter. I

8:47

think I know where it is. I think it's sitting in

8:50

Billy scanning the tennis players. So

8:53

living room at home. I think I gave it to

8:55

him one time to play, and I think it's stayed in

8:57

his bag. But

8:59

I know I got every other club that

9:01

I ever played with, and that's the one I'm missing. So I'm

9:04

missing that I had the clubs. Uh.

9:07

But from from from that tournament, you

9:09

know, I realized that uh uh

9:12

you know, if you put your mind to something and

9:14

uh uh you're you're you're. I

9:16

was relatively well prepared for the tournament,

9:18

even though I was not in the in

9:21

the peak of my game. Uh.

9:23

And all of a sudden, I got to the last nine

9:25

holes and I remembered

9:28

how to play, and I remembered what

9:30

it took to finish a golf tournament.

9:32

And when you do that, that is

9:35

so much fun. Because all of a sudden,

9:37

I'm saying, Okay, I gotta do this, I gotta do that. I

9:39

got I can't do this, I can't do that. My

9:41

abilities allow me to do this. My abilities won't

9:43

allow me to do this, you know. And all

9:46

of a sudden, it all came together

9:48

and I finished the tournament, and that

9:50

that was what I came away with, is that, you

9:53

know, I could still do something. Uh, if

9:56

you really put your mind to it. But did you know

9:58

you had lost that to then have

10:00

to remember to get it back? Well,

10:03

I think I think everybody loses it. I mean,

10:05

if you, I know, you know that

10:07

your skills start to erode or you get into a certain

10:10

age. And I was having more fun watching

10:12

my kids play football and basketball

10:14

and whatever, and so

10:18

I wasn't working as hard at it. But the

10:20

skills were there, they were just hidden, and

10:23

so I had to go find them. And I

10:26

really wasn't worried about pulling them out until all of a

10:28

sudden I got myself in contention and I needed

10:30

to and I did. So that

10:33

was that was really very rewarding for me. Talking

10:35

to Jack Nicholas, it was on this day,

10:37

nineteen seventy two that he won his fourth

10:40

of six green jackets. And you

10:43

get to take them off site

10:45

for a little while. Do you get to take them off for a year

10:47

and then they have to go back to Augusta. Is that how

10:50

the green jackets work? Well?

10:52

I never took mine office site. I know that. I

10:55

remember Gary Player the first time he won

10:57

his, he got a call from

10:59

Cliff Roberts and he

11:02

said Cliff said

11:04

to him, he said, Carrie, we can't find you're

11:06

a green jacket. You know where it is, he says. He

11:09

says, yes, mister Roberts, I've got it right here

11:11

in South Africa. He said, well, you know it's not supposed

11:13

to leave the property. He says, well, you can come and get

11:15

it anytime you want. But

11:18

anyway, we got the kick out of that. But you

11:21

know, I never took mine off the property. And

11:23

oddly enough, I tell you a quick story, I

11:26

never got my own green jacket. The

11:29

first year I won, I got a They put a

11:31

forty six long on me, and I'm about a forty three

11:33

regular. And the

11:35

next year, the next year I came back, there was

11:37

a jacket my locker. It was Tom

11:40

Dewey's jacket, former governor in New York.

11:42

And Jack his jacket

11:45

pent me perfect. And they never gave me a

11:47

green jacket. So I worked. I wore Tom

11:49

Dewey's jacket for the next twenty five years. And

11:53

finally in nineteen ninety eight they

11:55

were going to do a thing between

11:58

sixteen and seventeen a water fountain, you

12:00

know a story about it. And I

12:02

was sitting down with Jack Stevens was a chairman man

12:04

he said. I told him the story, I've never been presented a green

12:06

jacket. He as what he says, all

12:09

these years, everybody gets green jackets. You'd never got

12:11

one. I said, note, I've never had a green jacket, and

12:13

he says, So anyway, I went home

12:15

for the weekend and came back and there was a note in my locker. You

12:18

will go to the pro job and you will be fit

12:20

for your green jacket. So the first

12:22

green jacket I ever had was nineteen ninety eight. That's

12:24

amazing, amazing. What do you think

12:27

Augusta is going to look like play like

12:29

in November? I

12:31

think you'll play all right. I think the fairways

12:33

will be the question. I

12:36

don't know what they'll do. I don't know whether they'll oversee them

12:38

early or wait until after the tournament to oversee

12:40

them. Because the Bermuda

12:42

fairways would play beautifully in November. The

12:47

greens will be fine. There won't be a problem with the green jo

12:49

Obviously you won't have the color throughout out the course.

12:52

But if they can get the fairways good, I think the golfers

12:54

will play fine. They're gonna have shorter

12:57

days, there's a lot more daylight

12:59

in April than there is in November, so

13:02

the sun will be a little bit of a different

13:05

problem. Um probably

13:08

probably November not that much win, you

13:11

know, I think they'll have a good tournament. I don't think they probably.

13:14

I'm delighted that they're going to have it. I didn't

13:16

think they'd be able to get it in. I thought with all the other tournaments

13:19

and all the other commitments that the tour

13:21

has to put it together, it was tough

13:23

that they putting. They're putting all the major tournaments

13:25

and except you know, the British Open canceled. But

13:28

it's uh. I think it's great that they're

13:30

going ahead and getting the Masters

13:32

in in normal times. Could could

13:35

you just show up and play at Augusta

13:37

if you wanted to? I mean, not the

13:39

tournament, but just show up to play the course. Any

13:43

any former champion can come and play

13:45

anytime he once, but he can't bring guests now.

13:48

Arnold and I were the only two regular members of the

13:50

course. We were invited to join sometime

13:52

during our career, and I can

13:55

take guests and play anytime I want to, But I

13:58

guess I'm the only one now. But it's

14:02

it's just really neat to be able to have

14:04

some friends and say, hey, I would like to go up

14:06

to Gusta for the weekend. You know, not

14:09

many have more drop what they've got to be able to go. Well.

14:12

I got to stay in the Eisenhower cabin

14:15

and stay overnight there, and you

14:17

just walk over to the girl room and it

14:19

was just a wonderful experience because nobody

14:22

was there, and the caddies were

14:24

wonderful. They're betting on you. I

14:27

got traded on the first tea by a

14:29

caddy. It

14:32

was just it was fun. And the most

14:34

fun I had was when I went to twelve because

14:37

twelve, as an amateur, we play

14:39

at the same yardage that the pros do. And

14:43

when you see when you're up there and you go, it doesn't

14:45

look that difficult. And then all of a sudden,

14:47

I'm in Raised Creek after hitting

14:50

an eight iron, I go, yeah, I get it. I you

14:52

know, it's the optical illusion

14:54

of it's beautiful, but it's

14:57

incredibly challenging there. Do you

14:59

have great memories of twelve? Oh?

15:02

Yeah. The first year I played

15:04

there, I hit

15:06

a I was played with falling Roger

15:08

McManus and Roger hit hit a

15:10

shot and he hit it that

15:13

went through the green, and I think Roger hit

15:15

a six iron. Well, you

15:17

know, I said, well, I don't want to hit it through the green. So I hit seven

15:19

iron and the ball ballooned right

15:21

up in the air, and I made it about halfway

15:24

across the creek, and I said whoops.

15:27

And so I figured

15:29

out that you don't want to be throwing the ball real high in there.

15:31

You want to keep it underneath the trees. That he can. And

15:33

for some reason, the whole play is much better left

15:36

to right than it does right to left. Right to

15:38

left. The ball goes across the green in the

15:40

narrow side of it, and the green sort of

15:42

works this way left to right a little bit away

15:44

from you, and so a left to right shot coming

15:47

up the greens works in better. And it seems to work

15:49

with a wind better. But I

15:51

think I may have hit it in there another time during

15:53

my career, but it's I

15:55

didn't hit it in there very much. After that first time,

15:58

you learned what you did wrong, and then

16:00

you go out and do in practice rounds

16:02

and try to replicate what you were doing and just sort of sit

16:04

there and say, okay, okay, I can't

16:07

do that. I can do this and you learn

16:09

how to play it, but it's a it's probably still

16:12

I consider it probably the scariest parts

16:15

rein golf. But you know you

16:17

have all the fully I mean, you have all the growth

16:20

there though. Jack, that's what like it.

16:22

It makes it seem like it's an optical

16:24

illusion of it. Hey, that's beautiful. And

16:26

then you realize, no, you got to you gotta

16:29

put it on a small green. You don't

16:31

want to go along with the bunker. You go short. It goes

16:33

into the creek. The wind as

16:35

you're looking on thirteen, the wind above

16:37

thirteen tea. You just came off eleven

16:40

with the flag and you look at that and I'm going, oh

16:42

my god. You could overprocess the

16:44

information there. Well, everybody

16:46

over processes it, and you just have

16:48

it. You gotta be a little bit lucky, and you gotta sort of

16:50

watch the wind. I don't know, I'm not sure which

16:53

wind you watch, but you gotta watch so

16:55

that you don't get caught in the gusts. How

16:58

many presidents have you played with him? Not

17:02

bat many? I was, uh, I

17:04

supposed to play with Eisenhower and he got sick

17:06

one day and he ended up going around in an

17:08

exhibition with Arnold and May and

17:11

Uh. Then I played, Uh,

17:14

Jerry Ford, I played. I played a lot of rounds

17:16

of golf with Jerry Ford. We played. We played at

17:18

Double Beach together quite often, in the in the in

17:20

the in the Crosby and

17:23

Uh I played. I

17:25

played quite a few rounds with Clinton, just

17:27

played a few holes with Uh. Uh

17:30

h h W.

17:33

Bush. Not played with George. We've

17:35

been scheduled to play several times and never have

17:37

made it. And Uh, of course I played.

17:39

I played quite a bit of golf with Trump. Now

17:43

at that of that group, can you can

17:45

you rank who's the best president you played with? Uh?

17:49

Well, they're all good presidents. I mean golfers

17:52

as Uh.

17:55

I think. I think I think Trump's the best player. Okay

17:59

Trump, Trump had the ball quite nicely. He's

18:02

he's pretty long, He's got a nice golf swing. Uh.

18:05

He doesn't. He plays golf much the way

18:07

I do. Now. He doesn't really care about

18:09

a score. He goes out and hits the ball.

18:11

If he hits it out of play, he says, okay, just give me another

18:13

one, and uh uh you

18:15

know, he doesn't hold up, play plays fast.

18:18

He just he wants half fun. Uh

18:21

much like h W. He was

18:23

not a score

18:25

either. He just tried to he want to play around the golf

18:27

course. I understand that young

18:30

George is uh a single

18:33

digit player and is a pretty good player now, but

18:36

uh he's uh we haven't been

18:38

able together. Clinton could have been a good

18:40

player. He has a nice golf swing. Uh.

18:43

You know, I just I don't think he ever he

18:46

was. He was one who just you know, took so many

18:48

mulligans that he never which

18:52

is all right, you know, that was the way he played.

18:54

He had fun and so uh

18:56

And but Jerry Jerry Ford was

18:59

a very serious golfer. He

19:01

uh he was.

19:04

He was about a thirteen and he played with a thirteen

19:07

eighty four eighty five and he

19:11

uh, he grind, He was a grinder and

19:13

he just he just he just loved

19:16

he loved playing golfie. Of course, he was an

19:18

athlete and he was a good athlete,

19:20

and he just he just loved to play. I'll

19:23

leave you with this. Of all the years

19:25

and I've talked to you and everything

19:28

I've read about you, I just

19:30

realized that the mascot of your high

19:32

school up was Upper Arlington, Is that

19:35

right? The Golden Bears, right, Yeah, that's

19:37

right. Is that where the nickname came

19:39

from. Well, it sort of

19:41

came from there. In nineteen sixty

19:43

one, the year before I turned pro, or the fall

19:46

when I turned pro, a fall named

19:48

Don Lawrence for the Melbourne Age in Australia

19:50

wrote an article about me. Martin mccromick

19:53

was down there and he

19:55

called me a cuddly Golden Bear in the article

19:58

because I was large and blonde at the time. And

20:01

so first contract

20:03

I had was with a Revere Sports where out

20:05

of Boston, and they

20:07

were looking for an emblem and we kept going

20:09

through all kinds of things trying to find some

20:11

kind of a crest or an MB one and you

20:15

know, I said, hey, guys, you

20:17

know I like the Golden Bear. I was a Golden

20:20

Bear in high school. I've been a Golden Bear in my life. Why don't

20:22

we just stay a Golden Bear. And that's how it happened. Well,

20:25

I did not know that I forgot

20:28

all about Upper Arlington and the Golden Bears.

20:30

It's great to hear from you. Thanks for sharing, and

20:33

uh hope, I hope you don't have to

20:35

go back to Caddyshack and Stripes anytime.

20:37

Soon and maybe you add something else to your TV

20:39

repertoire, if

20:41

they put anything decent on or

20:45

if I could figure out how to work net place. Oh

20:47

no, that's what I'm not grand kids

20:50

for. Oh. I know what I'll tell you.

20:52

I'm a I'm a electronic

20:55

idiot. You know, I am terrible.

20:58

But anyway, wear and I've

21:00

been watching and we turn on a TV series and we

21:02

watch about one series. I don't

21:05

like that, I said, okay, so we try another

21:07

one and I don't like that, said okay. So

21:09

you know, we keep peddling. But anyway, we're

21:11

having we're getting through it and what we're doing all right,

21:14

Thank you, Jack, great to talk to you. We appreciate it

21:16

as always. Okay, Dan, that

21:19

is Jack Nicholas. Yeah, Bo, if

21:21

it was possible to like Jack Nicholas even

21:23

more. What have you been doing the past few weeks watching

21:25

Caddy Shack and stripes. It sounds

21:27

like every friend of mine. We'll take a break here,

21:30

we'll talk to doctor Myron Roll

21:32

and uh, he'll he's up at mass in

21:35

General, so he's uh in the

21:37

in the throes of all of this with the coronavirus,

21:40

and uh, it'd be I've

21:42

seen him interviewed on some of these news programs

21:45

and former football player, and it's

21:47

one of those where when somebody goes to med

21:49

school, they sort of disappear for a decade,

21:52

where you go, hey, where you been med school? Oh,

21:54

I haven't seen you like eight or nine years. I'm thinking,

21:57

wow. And he decided to pass on football

21:59

and go into med school. So we'll talk to doctor

22:01

Myron Roll and Jim Nam's coming up

22:03

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22:29

teams are a little bit

22:31

riled up, upset that Jerry Jones and his

22:33

son get to conduct the draft

22:36

together in the same room. They think that's

22:38

an unfair advantage. When's the last

22:40

time a team thought that Jerry Jones with his

22:42

son in a room together for any

22:44

draft was an unfair advantage.

22:47

Come on, you guys are soft. Former

22:51

Florida State, former NFL player drafted

22:54

I think by the Titans back in twenty ten out

22:56

of Florida State. He's now doctor Myron

22:59

Roll, who joined us on the program.

23:01

Doctor. How are you. I'm

23:04

doing well. Thanks for having me, Dan, I appreciate it if

23:06

you can give us an idea of what

23:09

the last month has been like which

23:12

and compare that to any other month

23:14

that you would have on the job. Wow,

23:17

it's been intense. Just I'm just coming

23:19

off a twenty four hour shift. But

23:22

our hospital has been transformed. When

23:24

you walk in, it's almost like a handpoint

23:26

security line. We have to have a mask. Everyone,

23:29

regardless of your position or title within

23:31

the much mashing Own hospital community.

23:34

You have to wear this mask our

23:36

hallway and they're bare now because the visitor

23:38

policy has been restricted.

23:40

You can't have any family members, any visitors are

23:43

Outpatient clinics are now done

23:45

all virtually. We'll call our patients

23:47

with results of cat scans and let

23:49

them know that we have to reschedule their cases

23:51

because operating rooms are canceling elective

23:54

cases where we're doing emergence or urgent cases.

23:56

Our neurosurgical floor has transformed into

23:58

a COVID nineteen floor. That there's this

24:01

service critic as a hospital's in a hospital

24:04

a sort of offload some of the heavy influence

24:06

and patients that have come up the street with COVID

24:08

nineteen or symptoms analogous to

24:10

it. So, you know, as a neurosurgery

24:12

resident, I went into this passional

24:15

mind to operate on the brain and

24:17

spine and the and the perfonal nerve.

24:20

But now myself and my colleagues,

24:22

we've been redeployed and redistributing

24:24

our our skill set, I guess, or just

24:27

our our time and our energy to

24:29

helping fight this COVID nineteen efforts

24:32

or this COVID nighteen issue that's happening. And that's

24:34

it's a hospital wide approach and it's vastly

24:37

different than what we've seen in Boston.

24:39

It's going to get worse probably in the next week or two,

24:41

so we're preparing for even

24:44

even more challenging days ahead. But you

24:46

go to med school for neurosurgery,

24:48

but now you're doing something with a virus that

24:51

you know, you like. It feels like you're

24:53

going back to medical school, but you're doing it in

24:55

real time with real patients with lives

24:57

on the line. That's right,

25:00

That's right, And you know, I will say that it

25:02

is a changeup. Certainly, there are some

25:04

cossover trades between COVID nineteen

25:07

and barrow surgeries, for instance, surgeries

25:09

that happen near the sinus, through

25:11

the narrows, transfernoidals, anything

25:13

that can sort of aerosolize particles that

25:16

can potentially infect us.

25:18

As narrow surgeons, we use a lot

25:21

of electrocoterie and high speed drills

25:23

in our cases and that has

25:25

been shown to maybe aerosolize some of the body fluids

25:27

to potentially infect us. But you're right, at baseline,

25:30

we have to learn new or

25:33

not new, let sort of relearn approaches

25:35

to effect change and the upper respiratory

25:37

illness. But I think to our advantage, we're

25:40

teaching hospital and we have wonderful medical

25:42

doctors and sextually SEW doctors who are really really

25:44

stepping out front and helping us sort of manage

25:47

that learning curve a little bit, so we can

25:50

kind of come in and not have to do anything

25:52

outside truly outside of our scope of practice,

25:54

like intubating somebody emergently. But you

25:56

know, be able to handle some of the most

25:59

fundamental aspects of their care. And it's

26:01

really just about manpower right now, the personnel

26:04

we need it at the hospital level, and

26:06

we have to be able to adapt and adjust. We

26:09

had Tony Bisselli on the former NFL Lineman

26:11

Hall of Fame finalists last couple of years and he

26:14

contracted the coronavirus and he said,

26:16

you know, I'm alone in a hospital room

26:18

and I'm thinking, is this where I'm going to die?

26:22

Going to your job, you're seeing people.

26:25

We're seeing this in New York where you

26:27

know, the medical staff has to almost choose

26:30

who they can try to save and who they can't.

26:33

I mean, how do you how do you process that? Doc?

26:36

That's very difficult, and it's

26:39

it's even more difficult when, as mister Prelli

26:41

said, when you're alone, like you don't have your family

26:43

around because they're just not able

26:46

to be there based on the hospital's policy. These

26:48

end of life and goals of care discussions are happening

26:50

over the phone and you're like, man, this is

26:53

unbelievable. But I will say

26:55

that you know, these patients have,

26:58

as you know, a lot of to have could

27:00

morbidities and pre existing conditions that already

27:03

put them in harm's way and make them very high risk

27:05

in the subset of the demographic. And when

27:08

this COVID nineteen hits, it sort of sits

27:10

for a little bit and then maybe after day five or

27:13

six or seven to quickly decompensate.

27:15

So it's challenging, and I hope

27:17

that these stories that we're hearing, that

27:19

the anecdotal stories that you're hearing allows

27:22

people who are maybe not connected to the healthcare

27:24

industry or not connected through the hospital world, you

27:27

can see that this is serious. This is real. Stay

27:29

away from those beaches that you're going through as

27:31

convenience, Stay away from those highly popped

27:33

umb you know, frequent good places

27:36

that are just full of people, and and

27:38

really through your part as a as a normal

27:40

citizen, sort of effect change in your

27:43

lane, because that's important for all of us to do. He's

27:46

doctor Myron Roll, neurosurgery resident

27:48

at Harvard the Massachusetts

27:50

General Hospital of Rhodes, scholar, former NFL

27:53

safety. Was it sixth round by the Titans?

27:55

Does that sound right? Best? Correct? Sixth

27:57

round? Yes? Their Okay? How close were

27:59

you to staying with football? Very

28:02

close? I played football in my whole life

28:04

since I was six years old. My father is some Bahamas.

28:07

My parents were from the Bombas and they

28:09

started the American Football League back home, and when

28:12

we came to America, football was

28:14

a huge part of my life, and my cousin Samari and

28:16

Andrew role played in the NFL. I went to

28:18

Florida Street because Bobby Bowden had

28:20

a pedigree of putting guys in the NFL. Diana Sanders

28:22

and we love Butler and you know, all

28:24

these great great athletes, great corners and great

28:26

safeties. So when the

28:29

decision I had to be made whether I

28:31

was going to stay, continue to play or move

28:34

on to this next career, I prayed

28:36

about it, talked to my family and friends, and

28:38

realized that practically I made it that money

28:40

to pay for medical school. Also, my hands

28:42

were still healthy enough to actually operate because

28:44

I always wanted to be a neurosurgeon. And then I didn't

28:47

have any concussions or traumatic bringing trees that would

28:49

prevent me from thinking, you know, clearly

28:51

as I went forward in my next career. So I

28:54

made the tough choice, went ahead and went

28:56

to medicine. And it's been a blessing because

28:58

now I'm able to advocate now for football

29:01

as well in a concussion spectrum, but then also

29:03

be able to take care of people who are very sick like moments

29:05

like this. How

29:08

concerned are you that you're going to contract the

29:10

coronavirus. I'm

29:13

very concerned, and we all are, certainly.

29:15

I try to protect myself every time I go into

29:17

a patient's room. You know, There's the

29:19

thing is coronaviruses doesn't

29:22

just hit one patient,

29:24

and that's like the only pathology

29:27

or malady that they have, right

29:29

so they call us as a neurosurgeon. This

29:32

patient may have a brain bleed or a brain tumor,

29:34

or a tumor in their spine. There's some

29:36

sort of neurosurgical disease burdens. But they

29:38

also have COVID nineteen. So I won't continue these rooms,

29:41

and I try to protect myself as best as I can. I

29:43

go in, get my physical exam quickly,

29:46

get my history quickly, be efficient, get

29:48

all my task done so I don't have to re enter the room

29:50

five or six or seven times to potentially

29:53

expect myself. I got married four months ago,

29:55

and I sent my wife down with

29:57

her with her sister, you know,

29:59

so I'm trying to make sure I'm not bringing anything

30:01

home to her. So yeah, I'm just trying to

30:03

make adjustment to my own life so I'm able

30:05

to protect myself from protect the people around me. Being

30:08

a neurosurgery, I'm curious about,

30:11

you know, the future of new helmets in the NFL

30:14

concussions. I get if

30:16

the has the NFL ask you about

30:18

this or you know, looking for you to advise

30:21

in maybe how we make a new helmet that can

30:23

protect the brain even more. They

30:25

have not asked me. I would certainly love for

30:28

them to do self, because I love the

30:30

sport so much. For sure, I wanted to stay around.

30:32

It's helped me so much, It's help my family. I'm

30:35

using the trades that football taught me as a physician,

30:38

and anytime my mentor the young kids from Florida

30:40

State who I talk to, I tell them that

30:42

if you have interests in science or medicine or

30:44

just help the people, really think about being a

30:46

physician or a physician assistant, best practitioner.

30:48

There's something in healthcare because it's

30:50

the crossover is just you know, really seamless. But

30:53

yeah, I would certainly love to help our take in new

30:56

technology and new ways, innovative ways,

30:58

because to find out how to make the game safer at

31:00

all levels, particularly in young

31:02

football young young leaves pop

31:04

Warner the youth Football League, because I

31:07

think that's where it really starts. You know, you

31:09

sort of had this build up of chronic

31:11

hits to the head that you know, maybe just gets

31:14

illuminated once you get to you know, the

31:16

high velocity impacts of high level

31:18

cogs football or maybe professional football. But I

31:20

think it starts young. So if you look back, kind

31:23

of go um upstream

31:25

and trying to figure things out that way, we

31:27

might be able to rectify the situation

31:30

and keep the game safe and preserve it. You're

31:32

kind of a show off here, four oh grade

31:34

point average. In high school, I

31:36

think he had the lead role in Fiddler on the Roof,

31:39

the musical you go to Oxford,

31:41

you're a Rhodes skull or you're kind of a ballhog.

31:44

Doc. Come on,

31:46

well, you know it's complession

31:48

for sure, and that was I did not sing well as

31:50

a white Russian Jewish broad but it

31:53

was a lot of fun. We

31:55

found something you don't do well. Thank

31:58

you, go get some sleep and we appreciate

32:00

what you're doing. Thank you. Doc. All

32:02

right, thanks to appreciate you. It's doctor Meyer

32:05

and roll I forgot about his two

32:07

other brothers playing in the NFL. Come

32:09

from the Bahamas. Oh

32:11

man, I

32:14

feel like a loser after that. Yeah,

32:16

I'm okay, but gosh, I think we feel neurosurgery

32:20

resident and Harvard and I remember when he made

32:22

the decision. I'm going, wow, he's going to

32:25

leave the NFL. And I think it was

32:27

with the Titans and the Steelers, so maybe he wasn't

32:29

going to have a long career, but he

32:31

decided he was going into med school

32:34

and Rhodes Scholar form, NFL

32:36

Safety and now a Massachusetts

32:39

General Hospital and you're taught,

32:42

you're studying, this is your specialty. And

32:44

then the coronavirus hits, and

32:47

now you're kind of learning what the coronavirus

32:49

is. What do you do? What do you not do? How

32:51

can you help this is?

32:53

I mean it's an emergency room situation

32:56

there, but he's a neurosurgeon.

33:00

Pretty remarkable, Pretty remarkable.

33:02

All right, we'll take a break. Some

33:04

NFL teams apparently are upset with

33:06

the Dallas Cowboys and Jerry Jones

33:09

and his son get to be in the same room on the night

33:11

of the draft. What an unfair

33:13

advantage. That story's coming up.

33:26

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app by searching f s

33:45

R. Other teams are

33:47

saying it's not fair that Jerry and his son Stephen

33:50

Jones get to be together in the same

33:52

home on draft day. Man,

33:56

it feels like teams are building in excuses

33:58

if they screw up their draft pick. You

34:01

you have your boards already. Talk

34:04

to a source yesterday and he said, if

34:06

you have your bleep together, you've

34:09

got your boards together. You're ready to

34:11

draft right now. Now something may change

34:13

where a guy is going to fall

34:16

into your lap, or you might make

34:18

a trade, but you do preemptive

34:20

conversations with people. Hey,

34:23

if this guy is here when

34:25

we take him, are you interested in him?

34:28

Or if you're interested in him, let

34:31

us know. Think there's there's

34:33

conversations that are going on right now now.

34:36

They don't want to let the it guy into

34:38

somebody's home because

34:40

you know, we're self quarantining. I get

34:43

that there's there's small issues

34:45

that it's guaranteed to go wrong for somebody

34:48

at some point in the NFL draft. You

34:50

know, will they allow you to have a time out if you

34:52

have a technical issue there. They're

34:55

already going to do a mock draft from what

34:57

I'm told, just so teams get the feel

34:59

of what it's going be like. You're not going to

35:01

be in the same room. But never

35:04

would I ever think that somebody would

35:06

say Jerry Jones and his son in

35:08

the same room in their home is an

35:10

unfair advantage. Schefter goes

35:13

on to say, it'll basically

35:15

be every person for him or herself in

35:18

their homes drafting virtually. And

35:20

that's the change up there. They think

35:22

that club personnel

35:25

need to be in different homes while the draft

35:27

is going on. Come

35:31

on, yeah,

35:33

point do you think this could work the other way? And

35:35

teams will take advantage of the timing

35:38

and the communication. Hypothetically, Let's

35:40

say I'm the Vikings and I call the Bears with

35:43

ninety seconds before on the clock.

35:45

Here's a trade. Got to do it now, and you don't

35:47

have time to vet it. In the room that

35:50

I think teams could go the other way with this and use

35:52

it to their advantage. Yeah,

35:54

I didn't think of that. I don't know how

35:56

nefarious teams are going to be when it comes to that

35:59

with although

36:01

ask John Lynch with the Niners

36:03

and the Bears. So I

36:06

get the feeling though somebody is going there'll be a

36:08

trade early, I don't know how many trades.

36:10

I think the wide receivers and the offensive

36:13

linemen are going to be the stars of the first

36:15

round. Here you have the quarterbacks there, we know where

36:17

Burrow is going. The question is how

36:20

badly does somebody want to man? Is

36:22

Justin Herbert going to be a top

36:24

six pick and then as Jordan Love going

36:26

to be in the mix as well. The wide receivers.

36:29

You got the two from Alabama Ceedee Lamb

36:31

from Oklahoma, you know, so

36:34

you'll have some interesting skill

36:36

position players and then a lot of offensive

36:38

linemen. But I would never think

36:40

that is Stephen, you know, with a

36:42

Bill Belichick's son, they're going to be

36:44

in the same room together. Is that an unfair advantage?

36:47

YEA McLevin. Wait, why are Stephen

36:49

and Jerry in the same room like they don't live

36:51

together, and the last person I'm visiting right

36:53

now is my parents. They should be quarantine

36:55

just like everybody else. No, I'm being dead serious, Like

36:58

why would you bring Stephen as kids? I assume,

37:00

Like why is he allout in Jerry's

37:02

how to? Makes zero sense? I mean it's a fair point.

37:04

Yeah, it's a fair point. But you know,

37:07

even when my kids came back to

37:09

from school and then two that

37:11

are working, you know, I get

37:13

nervous about that. But I don't

37:16

know what Jerry precautions Jerry's

37:18

taking to make sure

37:21

that when if they're in the same room, but that it's

37:23

not an unfair advantage. Like

37:25

how is that an unfair advantage? Yell't

37:29

there something about Stephen convincing him

37:32

to take that guard instead of johnny

37:34

Man's house Zach Martin? Yeah,

37:36

so is that maybe that the NFL is

37:38

let Jerry pick somebody bad? It's maybe Steven's

37:41

a voice of reason. I'm gonna

37:43

guess he can still be in touch with his son,

37:46

Like like just because they're there, what they

37:48

get to almost almost

37:51

high five or almost hug

37:53

or almost dap or like what like,

37:55

what what's the big advantage?

37:58

Hey, he gets to keep Jerry compny

38:00

what yes, Todd, and they

38:03

afford the technology to communicate directly with each

38:05

other. Should we be concerned about them picking up the bill for

38:07

that the Joneses, well, no, they can, they

38:09

can pay for that. I just think that they

38:12

if you have the opportunity, thank you, Todd. If

38:15

you have the opportunity to be in the same room, then you

38:18

will. If you're allowed to, you

38:20

will. But I can't sit here and go, gosh,

38:23

the cowboys are gonna kill this draft because

38:26

Jerry and his son are in the same

38:28

room. It's gonna come down to do you

38:30

take Jerry, Judy or CD Lamb. That

38:34

I mean, I can help him out with the first round.

38:36

I'd take CD Lamb. But that's just me. Yes.

38:39

Point well, like

38:41

we're not gonna hang out with our parents because you know all

38:43

this stuff we're doing now. But like they're employees

38:45

there. Stephen Jones is an employee of his father's

38:48

here serving as an employee, not a son in this role.

38:50

Yeah, so he may have other employees to hisself. Remember,

38:53

I don't know if the NFL is gonna tell Jerry Jones

38:55

you can't have people at your house. You can't have a

38:58

house full of ads,

39:00

unless that's a hard rule for all NFL

39:02

teams. You're going to be on a conference call. That's

39:05

what it'll be. You'll be in a conference

39:08

call, but getting everybody's opinion,

39:10

knowing who's giving you that opinion. How many

39:12

people are on the conference call talking

39:14

over each other. You know you're gonna have to

39:16

sort that out. That's why they're doing a mock virtual

39:19

draft where everybody gets

39:22

an idea of what it feels like. It's

39:24

not hey, we can't get the pick in. You'll

39:26

get the pick in that that's

39:28

simple. You can hold up a big card

39:31

that says we're taking cedee

39:33

lamb. That's it. The

39:36

confusion is going to be or

39:38

the possibility of disaster is you

39:41

know it making sure

39:44

if you got zoom, nobody is

39:46

going to somehow hack into

39:48

it. Like there's things that can happen. But

39:51

I don't think Jerry Jones in the same

39:53

room with his son is going to

39:55

be an unfair advantage. Are there other teams

39:58

that are you know, have siblings involved

40:00

in this? I mean Bengals

40:04

family ownership, I I I don't

40:06

know if that's an unfair advantage. Matt and

40:08

Houston joins us on the program, Matt, what do you have

40:11

for me today? So I

40:13

sell an audio conferencing

40:15

service from Microsoft to all the enterprise

40:18

accounts in the Houston market and it's

40:20

grown substantially. The biggest challenge

40:22

is they're gonna face is if you got ten people

40:24

from the same team on an audio conferencing

40:27

who's gonna be able to speak up? Because one

40:30

person is talking and they're gonna say, like, hey,

40:32

wait, he needs to say something. This person needs to say

40:34

something. It's hard for everybody to be communicated

40:36

at the same time. So if you're up against

40:39

the clock, you know, goog gets a bottom

40:41

final say. But it's really

40:43

difficult for them to all be talking about the same time.

40:45

Yeah, but we're we do that on this show.

40:48

That's why whenever I call on the dentists,

40:50

they raise their hand. I call on them, but thank

40:52

you, Matt. I have final say if I want to go

40:55

to them, and then how long they talk? But

40:57

I are they going to have a video screen

41:00

there? Like I have Fritzie

41:02

in front of me, and I have mclovin and Seaton

41:05

and you know they won't be they won't

41:07

be talking all at once because if they did,

41:09

and they talked all at once. It would sound like, guys,

41:14

are we

41:18

can't get to pick in? Oh no, and

41:21

the cowboys have not gotten their picking. I

41:25

don't think that's gonna happen. That's that's a draft

41:27

preview of what could happen for something.

41:32

We were talking all over each other. No,

41:34

it'll be, Hey, give

41:36

me your thoughts. So you went out and saw CD

41:38

Lamb four times this year, you saw Jerry

41:41

Judy twice. Uh, give

41:43

me your thoughts. Uh, you know, start with you

41:45

Todd, so that that that's how you do

41:47

this, and then it would be mcloven would give his

41:49

thoughts, and then somebody

41:52

else would throw in something there. Hey,

41:54

I got somebody on the phone who wants to make a trick. I

41:57

mean, obviously

41:59

hypothetical, but that's what it's going to be like, I

42:01

think. But you'll go around

42:03

the room. If if I can see you, then

42:07

that certainly helps out with the communication

42:09

part of this. But if everybody's on a conference call,

42:12

being able to try to distribute

42:15

information and do it in real

42:17

time, to be able to do your job, because

42:20

if you're a scout, you want to make sure that you've

42:22

done your job and gotten that information

42:24

to the right person at the right time. I

42:26

think the trades are going to be the hard part. You

42:29

know. Do you have a separate line because

42:32

you have your staff trying to

42:34

process what you're going to do with your pick, and then

42:37

you might have somebody saying, hey, I got Detroit on

42:39

the line. Okay, where

42:41

are they calling into? Is everybody

42:43

going to have a sheet here of phone numbers? Here,

42:46

this is who I call, This

42:49

is the number for that team or that team. Jim

42:52

Nance is going to join us, and you say, Dogwoods

42:55

in Foliage? Can we get Jim to throw

42:57

in Foliage in November at

43:00

the gust of tournament

43:03

The Masters is what they like to call it on CBS.

43:06

Jim will joinas coming up here next her final

43:09

hour Dan Patrick Show.