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You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show

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on Fox Sports Radio. Well, we

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made it to the final hour in this Monday Dan and the

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Dane Stan Patrick Show. Glad to have you on

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board. Reggie Miller will stop by and about

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twenty minutes we'll talk about the last

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Dance. A couple of interesting

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moments there. You got to see those basketball

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games on the set of Space

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Jams when Michael had the Michael

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Jordan Dome built and they had those

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pickup games and those were real.

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That was serious stuff. Reggie

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of course took part in that as well. So

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Reggie joined us coming up here in a little

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bit. Zion Williamson has become the

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focused of the latest college basketball

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scandal. He's accused by

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a former marketing agency of taking

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improper benefits and accused

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of taking money to go to Duke. Now

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it's a serious case, or at least it sounds

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serious, but recent

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changes in college sports makes it a

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little hard to be too alarmed here because

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we're getting closer and closer to

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the accepting of these

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benefits or you know, like Reggie

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Bush, USC wouldn't

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have been punished for Reggie Bush.

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And if you pay back the loan, you

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know, so I don't know where

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what is fact what is fiction with this? But

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people want these athletes to get paid. It feels

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like or you should be able to benefit

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off your likeness. There's only a couple of players

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who are going to be able to do this. My problem

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is, you know, how far does

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this go? How deep does this go? How

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much money is? You know? Do they

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cap the amount of money you can make? May There's so many

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questions I have with this. But if Johnny

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Manziel wanted to capitalize on his likeness,

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go ahead, Tim Tebow wanted to capitalize

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go ahead, Zion Williamson, go ahead. Money

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is going to be there for certain players. It

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just is. The shoe companies

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are involved in this. That's why you can remove

1:54

a coach from this. Now

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you might have to have an assistant coach take a bullet

1:59

here, but the head coach can go I don't

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know anything about it. Like Rick Matino could say

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I don't know anything about paying and recruit one hundred

2:05

thousand dollars. Now his assistant coach might, but

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I'm assuming you probably have to get some clearance

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there. Hey, how did we get this guy? I

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don't know? Just showed

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up magically on campus. You

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know, we can have outrage here and maybe

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you know Zion Williamson got improper

2:23

benefits. Do

2:26

I think he did? Yes? But

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do I care? No. I

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know that you're gonna say, well, boy, that kind

2:34

of not exactly the puritanical

2:36

approach we expected out of you. I

2:39

just I know what happens. And they

2:42

have shoe companies that are aligned

2:44

with certain schools, you're going to push

2:46

them into those schools. I know what happens. Probably

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happens a lot more than we think. And

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if Zion was going to sign up

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as a Nike client, Duke

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and Nike like you just use

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common sense with this. If one

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of the assistant coaches at Kansas is

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on record is saying, hey, Zion's

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people want some money and

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they want jobs in helsing Okay,

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that's Kansas, and

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they're under suspicion with this. But you know,

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I don't I don't

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know if people are gonna get upset about this. I don't

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know if the average basketball fan is going to be upset

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about it. I don't know if it leads to

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Mike Shachevski or not. I have no idea,

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But do I think that the shoe companies steering

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kids towards schools. Yes, I

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do, Yeah, point, I do think though I

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read over the Zion story and it's an accusation

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and there's a long way to go before it gets

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real and the NSA involved. But I think a lot

3:44

of people sports fans out there may think, I

3:46

wonder if the school he went to would get the

3:48

same coverage at Louisville got that, Memphis

3:50

got that Kansas gets then Kylapari

3:54

gets when his name is thrown apart.

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I'm just curious if big

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sports networks covered Duke the same way.

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Well, we don't, but there's

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a reason why we don't. The other schools that you're

4:06

mentioning. There is a little bit of a track record

4:08

here, you

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know. Had this been at Kentucky, this would have been a John

4:13

Calipari's story. Had this been

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at Kansas, it's a Bill Self story. Had

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it been at Louisville been a Rick Patino story.

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It's at Duke, it's a Duke,

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Zion Williamson's story or Zion Williamson's

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story. So we frame it how we want to

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frame it here. But do I think

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that all of a sudden,

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Zion ended up at Duke and

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you may want something from this school or this

4:36

school, but then you don't want something from that school,

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and maybe you don't you're not even asking the school.

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Maybe you're asking the shoe company because

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this is the marketing company. And they

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say, look, Zion should just come clean and

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say that he got improper

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benefits. Okay, I'm

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not gonna be first, I'm not gonna be the last. You

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know, because the NCAA back

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in the heyday of UCLA,

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if you really wanted to look, you

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could have. Maybe you didn't want to look because

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it's John Wooden, but if you wanted to

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look, you probably could have found some things

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there. Maybe

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they didn't treat UCLA the way they would

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un l V Jerry

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Tarkanian always under suspicion,

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John Wooden never under suspicion.

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We sort of frame it and frame it differently. Yes,

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Hunt, it's one thing if for a young athlete

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goes to the highest bidder. I'm not saying it's in Zion's

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case or not, but I think what may not sit well

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is all of a sudden, the uncle gets the new tractor

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and the mom's now on the payroll, that there's

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some job they created at the school, there's all this other

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periphery stuff. It might be better if you give

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the kid the money and then the kid decides what

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to do with the money for his family. Once family

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members are involved in getting these special prizes

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and jobs and stuff, it just makes it a

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little lot more. See, but money,

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what stops Nike from going. We're gonna

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hire Zion's mom, that's

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all. What stops

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what prevents them. You're just gonna pay her. We're

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gonna pay her two hundred thousand dollars as a consultant.

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How does the NCAA stop that? And

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I don't know. I mean, I'm asking

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the question. I don't know the answer too. But

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if you know, the latest story is Zion

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got improper benefits. Did he get it from the

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shoe company? Did he get it from Duke? Got

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it from Duke? Now we got it. Now we have some questions

6:25

they need to be answered. But the shoe company,

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it happens, It's going to happen. We've

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allowed the shoe companies to be so important

6:34

an integral part running college basketball

6:36

because of the amount of money. And this goes back

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to Sonny McCarroll, the guy

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who signed Michael Jordan to the Nike deal. He

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realized these coaches

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weren't making that much money. I'm

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going to give you a lot of money,

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but i want you wearing our product, and

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is brilliant marketing, brilliant

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And we forget all about that. But that's how it started.

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Sonny McCarroll got the Big East and got

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all those coaches, and all of a sudden, everybody

7:05

is wearing Nikes and the

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importance and then the Big East blew up and

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now you had to have your Nikes there. Then

7:11

you bring in Michael Jordan and

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then the rest is history. Yeah. See why

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are college basketball coaches

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paid by shoe company?

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Yeah? Well that's that's

7:24

been a question that's been asked

7:26

and I don't know if we ever you

7:28

know, does the chancellor, the president, you

7:30

know, why does he allow that to happen? Right?

7:32

You know, because should

7:35

you you get a salary, you

7:38

know, now you're getting an endorsement. But the kid

7:40

can't get an endorsement, but the coach can.

7:44

Yeah. Point it is interesting. The guys who've been

7:46

talking about are the players that should most have been

7:48

paid for their work. Johnny Manzel put a

7:50

and him on the map more than they've been in thirty years.

7:52

Reggie Bush did the same thing for USC ZI

7:55

and Williamson carried the entire sport of college

7:57

basketball thirty one nationally televised

7:59

games. If anyone that's I think will there'd be no outrage

8:02

because when you look at Zion Williamson and you're like, man, I'm

8:04

kind of glad he got paid for his time in college basketball.

8:06

He entertained US, and he took the risk and

8:08

almost hurt his knee, and he was on thirty

8:10

one national TV games. Yeah, I'm

8:12

really shocked anymore where

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I go, well, I didn't think that would happen,

8:17

Like there's certain things that if you said cal

8:19

Ripken junior or Derek Jeter did steroids,

8:22

okay, I'd be surprised, But

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there aren't many moments where I

8:27

go now, I didn't see that. I'm

8:29

shocked at that because

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if you've been around long enough, people

8:36

either talked about it, they've done it, they've

8:38

hidden it. It just

8:40

these things have happened and the

8:43

amount of money that's involved in this with college

8:45

football and college basketball, what

8:47

coaches make and coaches

8:50

are the stars in college basketball because

8:52

players change, coaches stay the same, but

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they're the ones that make the money. They

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make the big money here. I also saw

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a long article. It is

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written by the former GM Mike Lombardi.

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He wrote for The Athletic and

9:07

he says Cam Newton is too good to be a backup,

9:09

and that's his problem. Now

9:13

he talks about that. Don't

9:16

ever think NFL teams always make the common sense

9:18

decisions or don't have personal agendas

9:20

in place to prevent them from making smart decisions.

9:23

Take the Chicago Bears, for example, they traded

9:25

a fourth round pick to Jacksonville for quarterback

9:28

Nick Foles. They now inherit Foles

9:30

a contract that had seventeen

9:32

million dollars in guaranteed money.

9:35

In twenty twenty, they

9:37

move the guarantee into future season, so

9:39

in essence, Foles gets all the money owed

9:42

to him. Bears get some relief. With

9:44

the cap relief, the Bears get

9:47

a less threatening quarterback challenger

9:49

to incumbent Mitchell Trubisky. Cam

9:51

Newton would walk into the Chicago

9:53

locker room and every player on the team would immediately

9:56

feel quote, He's the man. There

9:58

would be no doubt from day one. Newton

10:00

would endear himself to his teammates, leaving

10:03

Trubisky was zero chance to compete,

10:05

which is not what the Bears want. They want

10:07

to challenge Chrubisky, but only in

10:10

a kind polite way. By

10:12

the way, if Foles isn't the starter, the

10:14

Bulls will have themselves a very expensive backup

10:16

with guaranteed money because of the way the structure

10:19

they structured his deal this year and

10:21

next, So the Bears could have

10:23

easily taken Cam Newton instead of Nick Foles. Yet

10:26

they chose comfort and familiarity. They

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did not choose the better player.

10:30

It's Michael Lombardi in the athletic.

10:33

By the way, my Jags are officially tanking. They

10:35

brought in Mike Glennon as the backup to Gardner.

10:38

Minshew, it's official, it is official.

10:40

We are tanking. Because

10:44

I wondered. I thought, you know what, Jacksonville,

10:47

you want to push the envelope a little bit bringing

10:50

Cam Newton. They

10:52

don't want to win this year. And if

10:54

I'm a Jacksonville fan, I get it and

10:57

I would embrace it. Let's

10:59

be bad, Let's be bad. Yes,

11:02

McLevin. Have we all had a moment

11:04

where we thought, wow, Mike Glennon might be pretty good.

11:06

I think even you had a moment you're like, Wow, Mike

11:09

Glennon could kind of spin it a little bit. No.

11:11

I think when he was on Tampa I liked him a

11:13

loant. Yeah, I mean, you can throw

11:15

a ball. I don't I can throw

11:17

a ball. Stop with

11:19

that. I did have a Mike Glennon

11:22

moment. But then you realize

11:24

he got he started over Russell

11:26

Wilson and that's why Russ transferred to Wisconsin.

11:30

Um. Yeah, Mike Glennon, he

11:32

was your backup quarterback in Jacksonville.

11:35

Yes, point, Mike Glennon has a rookie with Tampa.

11:38

He was nineteen touchdowns,

11:40

nine picks. Yeah, that's as good as a guy.

11:42

That's okay. Tampa would

11:44

have taken that last year instead of the thirty

11:47

for thirty on James Winston. Well,

11:49

they do a thirty for thirty on Jameis Winston.

11:53

Yes, McLevin. Do you remember

11:55

that story where Mike Glennon was invited to the Bears

11:57

draft party. He was going to be their starter and then gm

11:59

if then they drafted your bisky

12:01

and he's standing there, standing

12:05

right here. Oh and you're using

12:07

a real high draft. It's not like you

12:10

know, I mean, Jordan Love is

12:12

uncomfortable for Aaron Rodgers. This is

12:14

where you trade up, Hey, Mike and

12:17

come on in. Yeah we can draft party. Come

12:19

on in. Boy, do we have a surprise

12:21

for you and the Chicago Bears

12:24

select Mitrue true Bisky.

12:27

I think I'm gonna be going now. All

12:30

right, A couple of phone calls and we'll take break. Reggie

12:32

Miller will join us. Ryan in New York,

12:34

Hi, Ry, what do you have for me today? Hey?

12:37

Dan? First time long

12:39

will mini time, long time, six

12:41

foot combo guard. I have a best

12:44

investor for you, all right, best

12:46

the weekend. Obviously, Mike getting a little

12:48

emotional seeing that was special

12:51

for me. And prior to that, I think

12:54

ESPN played you

12:56

and see at Maryland. I've always had

12:58

third stories about my dad's about

13:01

Lynn Bias bad Man. Finally

13:03

got a chance to see him play, and

13:06

as questions for you, I always wondered, how

13:09

is he going to end up on

13:11

the Celtics and how does that kind of

13:13

change the flight

13:15

pattern upon and did it from Mike going

13:18

through the East. The Celtics

13:20

already had Hall of Famers and they were going to add

13:23

Lynn to that equation. Obviously, the tragic

13:25

endian to that story. But can you talk a little

13:27

bit about how that was going to happen and how

13:30

you saw history change.

13:33

Oh, it would have been rewritten because you

13:35

had Reggie Lewis who passed away. I

13:38

would the Celtics had

13:40

the transition in place. It

13:42

was perfect. They could have taken a little

13:44

stress off Bird because of his back.

13:47

McHale Parish, DJ Ainge.

13:49

You had Len Bias and

13:52

Reggie Lewis as well, so they lost

13:54

too. You know what

13:56

I think would have been Hall of Famers and

13:59

Len Bias. That

14:01

was his spectacular player like

14:03

that. When you watched, it didn't take long

14:05

before you went which one's bias? It

14:08

was the guy who was blowing right bias?

14:11

See what I did with that, Todd? Yes, McLevin, I

14:13

might have this wrong, but I'm reading it was a

14:16

Gerald Henderson trade that landed down that

14:18

first round pick. Yeah. Watch all

14:22

right, let me take a break. Reggie Miller's gonna join

14:24

us. More phone calls coming up. Take a break here on The Dan Patrick

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14:45

R. I mentioned my Jags are officially tanking.

14:47

They brought in Mike Glennon as the backup quarterback.

14:51

Probably means spirit on my part. He

14:54

threw nineteen touchdown passes in twenty thirteen.

14:57

How many touchdown passes do you think Mike glenn

15:00

his throne since that

15:02

twenty thirteen season. The

15:05

answer is seventeen total.

15:08

Let's bring in the Hall of Famer Reggie Miller. Boy.

15:11

Reggie has a great Sunday. Every

15:13

Sunday, Reggie gets to sit down and watch

15:15

Michael Jordan and the Chicago

15:18

Bulls. This is the worst assignment

15:20

you've had, probably since you were in school in UCLA.

15:23

Regge, Oh my goodness, I would

15:25

take Ucla right now. I suppose

15:28

to this education I'm going through every

15:30

Sunday. But I will say,

15:36

you know, watching I think it was the

15:38

end of episode seven last

15:40

night. MJ. You

15:43

don't need to apologize. You on need

15:45

to apologize of what your DNA

15:47

is because this is what

15:49

I tell people. At the end

15:52

of the day, the headline is

15:54

not going to be build winning team. Let

15:56

us down, bj Armstrong, let us down,

15:58

Judd Busler, let us down, Steve Kerr not

16:00

even Scottie Pippen. The headline

16:03

is going to be Michael Jordan.

16:06

So you have to be a

16:08

taskmaster. You have to whip guys

16:10

in the shape. Don't apologize for that.

16:13

That's your DNA. That is

16:15

how I was somewhat raised

16:17

because I was raised by Magic Environ Scott

16:20

and Michael Cooper. Win at all costs,

16:22

absolutely, And if you

16:25

don't want to fall in line, you see

16:27

the door blah blah, I

16:29

don't want to hear it. And you

16:33

know, when Steve it's funny because when Steve Kerr

16:35

and is kind of reminiscent on

16:37

the fight that's every Tuesday, that's

16:39

every Wednesday. During the nineties, during

16:42

practices, you always fought your teammates. I

16:45

think in today's age of social

16:47

media it would have been blown up. But

16:50

that's what I'm looking at that. I'm like, yeah, so,

16:53

oh, okay, they got

16:55

in a fight. You know many times I got in a fight with

16:57

Dale Davis, Antonio David, I mean, so that

17:00

happened. Did you ever throw a punch? Of

17:03

course, that's what fights are do

17:05

you think fights are words. Yes, a

17:08

lot of some pushing and shoving. I

17:10

saw problems with words, Reggie, Well,

17:14

we didn't solve problems with words. Afterwards,

17:17

afterwards we would talk about but sometimes

17:19

you got to have a little tough love. So what, you

17:23

know, when he was, you know, got emotional about

17:26

it. You know, before this doc

17:28

came out, he was talking about, you know, people are

17:30

gonna think, you know, they're gonna see me a different light,

17:32

and they're gonna think I'm a bad person. Yeah, we

17:34

all know that. We

17:37

all knew that. I'm like, so

17:40

what, That's

17:42

what made him great. I was

17:44

surprised that he cared this much

17:46

about being liked, because I

17:48

don't think Michael when he played cared

17:51

about being liked. He wanted to be feared and

17:53

he wanted to be respected. Maybe

17:55

he's mellowing a little bit here where I don't

17:58

think so to me, if you're to

18:00

me personally, this is what I

18:02

personally feel. I think that's an act. I

18:04

think he can he could care less

18:06

what people think. Really, Wait, you think that crying

18:09

last night was an act? No, that

18:11

was real. Okay, that was real.

18:14

But I don't think

18:16

he cares what people think. That's

18:18

what made him MJ

18:21

That's what made him the black cat, black

18:23

Black Jesus, That's what made

18:26

him. But when

18:28

he goes to the Hall of Fame and he

18:30

makes it a roast, these

18:32

are all accomplished people like Mike

18:34

never turned it off, and you

18:37

can imagine, Hey, I'm going to make fun of Scottie

18:39

Burrell and Judd Bushler and Bill Wennington. I'm

18:42

making fun of Hall of Famers to their faces

18:44

here. That's why I'm saying

18:46

he can care less what people think about

18:48

him because he can't turn it off because

18:52

it's his DNA, and that's what made

18:54

him great. When he says, because you've never want anything,

18:57

that's what it is. It takes

19:00

a level. You got to go to different

19:03

and dark places, and he

19:05

has. And I don't think he should

19:07

apologize for that because he

19:09

is the goat. He's the greatest

19:12

player of my generation, of any

19:14

generation, and he shouldn't

19:17

have to apologize for

19:19

how he is wired because

19:24

he brought a lot of joy to

19:26

the city of Chicago and a

19:29

lot of money and a lot of people's pockets,

19:31

his teammates the league, So

19:35

he shouldn't have to apologize for that.

19:38

Are there things that I'm sure he wishes

19:40

he could have said or done differently. I'm sure,

19:43

but that's not his DNA. But why

19:45

can't he give credit where credit is due.

19:49

If there's one thing I do, there's

19:53

ways like him laughing at Gary

19:55

Payton. To

19:58

me, that is wrong because there's he

20:00

could have said, yeah, you know what, he made me

20:02

work in those two games, but you

20:04

know I came back and gave it to them.

20:07

There's ways he could have framed

20:09

it. But guess what, guys, that's

20:11

why he had six six finals,

20:14

six finals, MVP and the

20:16

goat right, that's why he threw shade

20:18

at Clyde. He threw shade at Dan Marley.

20:20

He's thrown shade at Isaiah. I'm

20:22

next next week. So

20:25

I mean, this is what made him. Do you

20:28

know credit to anyone? Do you

20:30

know what's going to happen next week?

20:32

And no idea what is

20:34

going to happen If I knew, you

20:36

want to know the pattern of what I've been watching,

20:39

And he has killed everyone. Craig

20:41

Gilo, Dan Marley, he threw

20:44

shade at Clyde at not being equal.

20:46

He just laughed in Gary Payton. Gary was

20:48

defensive player of the year Hall of Famer.

20:51

You're right, it doesn't matter. I think

20:53

the only people he probably

20:55

hasn't thrown Shade and maybe Magic

20:58

Y. I think he was. Those guys are helped

21:02

pave the way for him. But

21:05

as little minions that came

21:07

after him. No,

21:10

Oh god, I there's

21:13

part of me that hopes he goes after you.

21:16

Oh he's going But that's because

21:18

you you know, you got to

21:20

it, like he only goes he's going after you

21:23

if you know there was really

21:25

something that was going on. That's

21:27

why I want people to understand him laughing

21:30

and people like wanting to like

21:33

thro shade at Gary Payton. He's laughing because

21:35

he knew Gary brought it and

21:38

Gary wasn't backing down. Gary's one of

21:40

those dudes you can walk through an alley with, right,

21:42

So he's laughing at that. But m J

21:45

knew. Come on, man, he knew.

21:47

So again, I don't know, nor

21:50

do I care. But as

21:53

long as he at the end of the day he respected

21:55

me, and maybe he doesn't respect me, I don't care.

21:58

I really don't. But it

22:00

was fun. Are you sure I

22:04

was that he respected me or didn't respect

22:06

No, that you don't care. I don't

22:08

care. Really, I

22:10

don't care for you. I don't care for him. Liked me or

22:12

not? Well, no respect is one thing

22:15

whatever. So if he does,

22:17

if he doesn't, is that going to change

22:20

my life? No, okay, it's

22:22

not going to change my life. Do you say

22:24

anything negative about him? I can't remember.

22:29

I can't remember. I mean it was ago,

22:32

I don't know. Paully, would you would

22:34

you text the director Jason

22:37

Hair and ask if Reggie said

22:39

anything mean about Michael Well

22:42

hold on well mean

22:44

or him making up stuff? You

22:47

never know. He could have I could

22:49

have said, uh, hey,

22:51

you were a little late on that screen, and he could

22:53

have been like, he's the worst defensive player

22:55

of all time. He could have thought that, right,

22:59

but who knows in his mind

23:01

what he's thinking. I mean the hold of Bradford,

23:04

because I do remember that, any little

23:06

flight you know he was going to use.

23:08

So oh, well, did

23:10

you say anything after a game to Geordan?

23:13

Did you say like good game? Or I

23:16

was taught? Yeah, but I was very young when

23:18

I was a rookie, you know. And he

23:20

let me know. You know, that's why the

23:23

whole Black Jesus thing came up, and he was like, don't ever

23:25

speak to black Jesus like that. I liked, wait, first

23:27

of all, referring

23:29

to yourself and the third party, but calling

23:31

yourself black Jesus. I said that to

23:34

myself. I was like, oh, okay, wait,

23:36

wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on. So

23:38

set the scene where Mike refers

23:40

to himself in third verse, I'm

23:42

a rookie exhibition game. We're

23:44

playing in one of these crazy

23:47

small towns because that's where exhibition games

23:49

are to kind of spread the wealth and the

23:52

love of basketball. And Mike's

23:54

going through the motion. You know, it's an exhibition game.

23:56

Who cares. I'm a rookie. I'm going one hundred

23:58

and thirty miles an hour because I'm

24:01

trying to show my teammates and you're

24:03

going against Michael Jordan and Chuck

24:05

persons egging me on, like that's

24:08

Michael Jordan. Really, look what you're doing to him.

24:10

First half, he's just Michael, just going through

24:13

it, right. You know, I got

24:15

ten or twelve by

24:17

half, he has like two or four. And I'm like

24:19

just talking to him like you can walk

24:21

on water. That's what they say. This is it. This

24:24

is air Jordan. And he looks at me.

24:27

It's like, okay, So the second half, he

24:30

ends with forty five, so

24:34

I end with I had ten.

24:36

I ended with twelve, so he outscored me

24:39

forty to two. And

24:42

as we're walking off, he subtly

24:45

says, hey, don't ever talk

24:47

to Black Jesus. And

24:51

I looked at him like, and I looked at Chuck,

24:53

and Chuck like shrugged your shoulder. I was like,

24:56

you're right, Black Jesus, and I just kept walking

24:58

off, And that's kind of what probably

25:00

started our somewhat contentious

25:02

relationship. But I should have known

25:05

better, you know. But I couldn't hold I can't

25:07

hold my tongue. That's my problem. But you

25:09

think that he respected the fact that you went

25:12

at him. We'll find out. Oh

25:17

god, I can't wait. I just hope

25:19

that Mike unloads on you. You will, I

25:21

do. But that was my thinking, Like when

25:23

people are saying, yeah,

25:26

we all know how that turned out. You're trying

25:28

to retire Michael Jordan's is

25:30

that wrong for me? Wait a minute, that should

25:32

be my thinking. Yes,

25:35

I would say I can't speak for the rest of

25:37

my teammates, but that was my thinking,

25:39

like, this is my this is my chance.

25:41

I've got a team, I got my guys.

25:44

You have your guys. You're the Chamce. You're Michael Jordan.

25:47

I do want to retire you. It

25:49

didn't happen, but that should be my thinking.

25:52

You guys should have won. You you got

25:55

it. You're gonna make it hurt. You

25:57

guys had a great team. You had a better all around

25:59

team than the Bulls did. It hurts.

26:01

It really does hurt. And more so Game

26:05

seven two in their place because it was all

26:07

set up. I mean, we're up six. See,

26:09

this is how well you know it. Because you people

26:12

always say, God, you've made so many great moments.

26:14

It's not the great moments I relive, it's the

26:16

hurtful ones that are on rewind

26:18

in my brain. We're up six. That

26:21

jump ball between Scottie Pippen

26:23

and seven four Rick Sumits and

26:26

it's on their side if we win that jump

26:29

ball, because it's on their side of the quarter.

26:31

We win that jump ball, go down to score. We go up eight,

26:33

with like under four to go, you

26:35

can start massaging the game. By then they

26:39

win the tip. Scottie wins the

26:41

tip. The ball finds its way to Steve

26:43

Kerr. He knocks down to three and

26:46

from six to three and it was like a

26:49

snowball effect. After that, we just

26:52

couldn't hold on and I

26:54

just relive that moment over and over.

26:57

If we could have won that jump ball and scored

26:59

and just put more pressure, I'm not to say we would

27:01

have ended up winning, but

27:03

it makes it makes it a little bit more difficult.

27:06

So yeah, it's it's the hurtful moments

27:08

you remember more. Are you sure

27:10

you're going to be emotionally ready to talk about this next

27:12

Monday? Yes, it's

27:15

good to talk it out,

27:17

especially with family like yourself and my

27:20

danets. It's good, it'll

27:22

be good. Wait, what's your what you

27:25

get a sense? I'm glad people get a sense

27:27

of how competitive things

27:29

were in the nineties,

27:33

um and the eighties really late eighties.

27:36

But to have a camera and see him, see

27:39

him going off, and if

27:43

you will get understand that's nothing,

27:45

that is absolutely nothing. What he was,

27:48

how he's railing off on his teammates, that's nothing,

27:51

guys, that is that's easy

27:53

trash talk. If

27:55

you could understand what goes on between games,

27:58

Oh my god, people, that is not being

28:00

what you're seeing. Do you need an emotional support?

28:02

Dong? I need

28:04

something, I really do. It's

28:07

good because you know, I'm I'm sitting I'm

28:10

watching this with Mama Bear, and

28:12

I tell her go sit on the other

28:14

side of the couch because my palm

28:16

is sweating. Because and then when

28:18

the commercials come and

28:20

she's looking at me, and you know, I

28:23

got like sweat coming down. She's

28:25

like, are you okay. I'm like, no,

28:27

I'm not okay. Because it brings back, It

28:30

brings back those memories, good and bad.

28:33

And I'm excited about next week

28:36

because i know he's gonna kill me, but I'm

28:38

gonna take it as a bad because He's gone after everyone

28:41

else in this docuseries, so you might as

28:43

well come after us. Um, you

28:46

should wear your whole uniform next

28:49

Sunday. I'm gonna try to. I

28:51

have to have some uniform, I am. I'm

28:54

gonna take some pictures, get

28:56

your sweatbands on and full

28:59

uni. I never want a headbat

29:01

as a player, but if I can find a headbant, I'm

29:03

going to put a headban on and I'm gonna

29:07

I am going to watch this in full garb.

29:09

Yes, O, that's good. Hey,

29:11

before I let you go, Shack says that we

29:14

shouldn't have a season because nobody's

29:16

going to recognize this year's champion is a true

29:18

champion. What do you make I

29:21

think they will definitely recognize it. But I

29:23

do agree. I think we're getting

29:25

to that point where we may need to just scrap

29:28

this and start a new

29:31

next year. I just don't see

29:33

any positive things coming

29:35

out of restarting this. We're two months

29:37

in now right. I

29:40

think we'll get a lot of injuries once

29:42

we come back because guys are going to try to they

29:46

won't train right, and you

29:49

see a lot of these injuries at the start of the season

29:51

because guys are not in shape. I

29:54

just don't see any benefit from it. So

29:58

I think if there are we do resume and

30:00

there is a champion, there won't

30:02

be an asterisk behind it because it's still a championship.

30:04

Just like the lockout year when San

30:06

Antonio One and Phil Jackson

30:09

was saying there's going to be astrics. No, he ended

30:11

up winning the championship. You'll be recognized

30:13

as that. But I do agree

30:15

with him we should start really looking at next

30:18

season and just starting fresh. Well,

30:22

you know, leave it to Lebron to

30:25

win this year, so then people have more of an argument

30:27

that it doesn't really count as a championship,

30:30

you know, with this whole Jordan phenomenon going

30:32

on, it would just it would be so Lebron

30:34

like to win and then have people hold it against

30:36

him. And not only that, let's

30:39

say they do scrap the season

30:42

and we start again next year

30:44

in October, November, December or whatever

30:46

they think about starting again. Lebron's

30:49

a year old er now too, That's

30:52

the only thing. And he didn't he

30:54

was having an MVP. He wasn't

30:57

going to win the MVP. To me, that was Yannis,

31:00

but he was one

31:02

A and one B. He

31:04

was gonna be second in the MVP voting. All

31:07

right, just get ready, like gear

31:09

up Sunday night, like you're gearing up

31:12

for a game. Um, what

31:15

music did you listen to in the locker room before

31:17

games? Tupac A

31:20

huge Tupac fan. Oh yes, all

31:23

eyes on me, so I'll probably be having that plane

31:26

as I'm in full pacer gear and

31:29

uh, it's ready to go. All eyes

31:31

on me and

31:33

a guard out of u c l

31:35

A six foots are

31:37

you six seven or six six big seven

31:40

sixty? Give me in. He was six

31:42

six, but it didn't

31:44

matter. I

31:49

can't wait. Oh my god, I'm

31:51

gonna kill me next week. But it's gonna be so

31:54

fun. It's gonna be so fun.

31:56

Thank you, Rage, I'll talk to you next Monday.

31:59

Y'all. Oh, this

32:01

is gonna be so good. I hope

32:03

Mike just tears him, just rips

32:06

him up. Laughs, Like if they

32:08

show something that Reggie says about him,

32:10

where Mike gives you that big belly laugh like

32:12

he did last night about Gary Peyton. Yeah, Paul,

32:15

that story. Reggie told us fascinating at somebody

32:17

levels, that it's an exhibition game, a game

32:19

that means absolutely nothing. And he talked a little

32:21

smack to Jordan because Reggie had ten and

32:23

Jordan had six. Then Jordan ends up with forty

32:26

two to twelve and says, don't ever try that with

32:28

Black Jesus. I know, I didn't

32:30

know that he called himself Black Jesus.

32:34

Once again, we criticize Lebron

32:36

James for being King James. He's

32:38

called himself Black Jesus, and

32:40

somehow that's okay. Lebron

32:43

calls himself King James. The

32:46

dude calls himself Black Jesus. Take

32:48

a break, last call for phone calls back

32:50

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33:10

Scott. Also Sam Smith, who

33:12

wrote the Jordan Rules, will

33:14

join us. Coming up. Got a scoreboard

33:16

winner Ryan in New York City. The numbers

33:19

are thirty one and five. All

33:23

right, Todd, you want to give a hint

33:25

on sure? Okay? Okay.

33:27

The five has to do with

33:31

major frustration one

33:33

left, major frustration one

33:36

left right. And the thirty one

33:40

is not Reggie Miller's jersey number. Okay.

33:42

So what I said for the clue is back

33:44

up, Reggie. It's not about you today. Backup

33:47

Reggie. Okay, So maybe

33:50

it's a backup could be okay,

33:52

Paulie, this day in sports history might lead

33:55

us to a clue or two. I wish

33:57

I could help you. Nineteen seventy seven,

33:59

Ted Turner managed in Atlanta Braves game.

34:02

He was the owner of the team and decided to manage

34:04

for a night, which immagine someone did that now,

34:07

all right? And then twenty fifteen, the NFL

34:09

announced that Tom Brady the Patriots would be suspended

34:11

without pay for the first four games suspension

34:14

for the violation NFL policy on integrity

34:16

of the game for his knowledge of underinflated

34:19

footballs after

34:22

being checked by the officials. Still amazing. Patriots

34:24

will find a million dollars for taking a hint

34:27

of air out of the footballs and forfeit of first

34:29

round draft. Unbelievable. So

34:31

no hints there for Todd's scoreboard.

34:34

All right, let

34:37

me hear a ton all right. We went with

34:39

five because major frustration is

34:41

in winning all the majors except for the US

34:44

Open. He's got one left as in his

34:46

nickname Lefty, and our guest today, Phil

34:48

Mickelson, has won five majors and

34:50

that was the number five. Thirty

34:52

one possible backup

34:55

his thirty first birthday today. Mister

34:57

cam Newton is thirty one today and

35:00

he might have to be ready to take a backup quarterback,

35:03

rold Man. Those are tough. It was a little

35:05

tough. Yeah, well done, Todd, thank you, well

35:08

done, Well done David and

35:10

North Carolina. David, what do you have for me today. Hey,

35:14

Dan, Uh, I

35:16

got so many issues? Um actually

35:19

uh five to eleven two twenty

35:22

pre COVID two two

35:25

thirty one. Right now, Okay, Uh,

35:30

you're comment about Showsky

35:32

and the Dukies getting away with all they've

35:35

gotten away with on Zion Williamson. Oh,

35:38

I don't know if they have. I

35:40

don't. I don't. I'm not saying they have, but I

35:42

don't know, David. Okay,

35:44

Fine, I'm from Durham. I

35:47

went to Chapel Hill Um class

35:50

of eighty three, so I was there when Michael was there.

35:52

I know, you know anyway.

35:54

I hate those guys that say they know people

35:57

anyway. Uh. My

36:00

problem is our football program

36:03

and our basketball program was

36:05

obliterated for five years

36:08

based on nothing.

36:11

The NCAA couldn't

36:13

even press charges off it. And

36:17

for you to I

36:19

love your show, love you always

36:22

have, but for you to sit there and just

36:24

say, you know that's not a big deal. Hey, And

36:27

no, no, David, David, you gotta

36:29

understand you're so close to it and

36:32

I am so removed from it. And

36:34

if they nailed Duke, nailed Duke,

36:38

it doesn't matter to me. I

36:40

don't care if Carolina did it. If

36:43

you get caught, you get punished,

36:45

Okay. I love talking

36:48

to coach k If Duke gets banged

36:50

here, okay, not the end of the world to

36:52

me. I'm not saying

36:54

let's let's not cover this because

36:57

it's Mike Shashevsky. I

36:59

mean, if that was case, I wouldn't even bring it up today.

37:02

But I can't sit here and go, boy, that

37:04

would never happen. I can't

37:06

say that. As much as I

37:09

love Roy Williams, you can

37:11

never say it won't happen. It happened

37:13

to John Wooden, So

37:16

I'm not naive here. You're

37:20

upset because you're basketball and

37:22

football program got hit hard

37:24

by the NC double A. Okay,

37:28

if Duke gets hit by this with the Zion

37:30

Williams, it's okay. Yeah,

37:33

we'll move on. Thanks for the phone call.

37:37

Do you compress a little bit here? You're

37:39

too close to it go heels, Yes,

37:42

McLevin. Has any team ever had

37:45

more penalties and less wins in North Carolina

37:47

football? Not to pour it? Saw it on David's

37:49

rue as you're going to. And also

37:51

they had like ten first round picks. I don't

37:53

remember them ever being in a major bowl again. I know, nice

37:57

uniform, Yeah, you

38:00

remember the heights at Mitch Trubisky lifted Dan

38:05

in Chicago. Hi, Dan, Hey,

38:08

Dan, A couple of things for you. One, if there

38:10

were to be an eleventh episode of

38:12

the Last Dance, I wanted to be Chappelle's

38:14

show Rick James Prince themed where Dave

38:16

Chappelle's Prince he got Reggie

38:19

telling the Black Jesus story. And just that's

38:21

what I would want to see with the eleventh episode.

38:24

Uh. And then in regards to Shack's

38:27

comment, you know, I agree there shouldn't

38:29

be a season, but that's out of health and safety. But

38:31

you know, when I look at you know, the ninety

38:33

nine Spurs, twenty twelve heat,

38:36

twenty thirteen Blackhawks strikes

38:38

shortened champions that you

38:40

know we're probably gonna be champions anyway

38:43

if there was a full season, ninety five Braves

38:45

they were uh, you know, over

38:47

the one Indians in a strike

38:49

short and season. I mean, you know, the Redskins.

38:52

I don't think you're right, though, Dan,

38:55

I mean that those are all great points. So I appreciate

38:57

you calling in. We don't hold we're

39:01

gonna if the Lakers would win a title this

39:03

year just because it's Lebron if there would be an

39:05

asterisk by this. Trust me when I say that, if

39:09

Kawhi wins and the Clippers, it's not going

39:11

to be an asterisk. If the Bucks win, it's not going to be an

39:13

asteris if Lebron does. Just because it's

39:15

Lebron, that's all. But I appreciate that

39:17

phone call. Nobody looks at the Spurs

39:20

go that's right, shortened there, or the Blackhawks.

39:22

They just don't. But because it's

39:24

Lebron and it's a talking point for

39:26

shows, there'll be an asterisk by

39:29

yeah, point and Dan and vice versa. If the Lakers

39:32

come up short and some type of like shortened

39:34

playoff thing, they'll critique the Lakers

39:36

and Lebron for saying you had a shortened playoff where

39:38

you had to win a fewer amount of games and you couldn't win that.

39:40

Yeah, it's

39:43

just it's Lebron's It's

39:45

open season for Lebron, and

39:47

I don't want anybody to misconstrue what I'm saying about

39:50

Zion Williamson. If Kansas has

39:52

an assistant coach on record talking about

39:56

zion stepfather wanting benefits or

39:58

wanting money, whatever

40:00

it is, and then he ends up

40:02

at Duke. Does he then go

40:05

to Duke and then they don't ask for anything,

40:09

you know, cam Newton and Mississippi State,

40:13

and remember that what was the one hundred

40:15

and seventy five grand? Like, so

40:18

then he didn't take money

40:20

when he went to Auburn or

40:23

did they just hide it better? I just apply

40:25

logic, and I know it's dangerous in this world

40:27

that I work in. I just apply

40:30

logic and that is illogical.

40:35

Oh he's gonna take money, but then he's not gonna take

40:37

money. Oh okay, but

40:40

just from Mississippi State, not from Auburn. Okay,

40:44

all right, Yeah, let's

40:47

go around the room. Mcleven will start

40:49

with you. Funny results of the poll question

40:52

that's a documentary make Michael Jordan look

40:54

less likable or more likable? Seventy percent

40:56

say more like. Okay, Hey, it's

40:58

a whole new audience that's consuming

41:01

this, and I love that. I love that there's

41:03

a whole new audience that's watching this because

41:05

we tend to make these statements and we

41:08

didn't see the player play. And

41:10

I always say, see the player play.

41:13

Read about as much as you can before you make

41:15

an argument. And if

41:17

you feel that way with Mike great. I love

41:20

it. More information the better.

41:23

What did you learned to day, mclovin, I learned that Reggie

41:25

says, you don't think care. Michael says about We're

41:29

gonna find out next Monday. Fritzeo.

41:32

Phil Nicholson once caught a heart thrown pass from

41:34

Brady and Augusta when it was half dark out two

41:36

weeks before the Master's hoping not to break a finger. That

41:39

was a good story by Michelson seeing

41:42

O'Connor. Phil Nicholson has

41:44

a t Rex in his office. Yeah, who

41:47

doesn't, Paulie Michelson

41:49

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