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on Fox Sports Radio. Orlando

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Brown, junior Super Bowl champ, offensive

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tackle for the Chiefs, four Pro

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Bowls in five seasons in the NFL,

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kind enough to join us before the big day,

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the big Parade. What's

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the schedule today, Orlando, Man?

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Um, right now, I'm starting to start my morning

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off with you. We'll head up to the stadium

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around ten, nine thirty. I think we

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leave the stadium for around ten thirty. I

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think the parade starts sometime around then. Yeah,

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man, I'm looking forward to it. Teammate

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most likely to be drinking now

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is who. Oh

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that's a really good question, um

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Man. Creed Humphrey. Creed Humphrey

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for sure. Okay, I would have thought

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Kelsey, Yeah, he's probably

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up there, but Creed Humphrey for

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sure. The

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alignment on one float, yes

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we are, Yeah, we are. Yep. Yeah. I think every

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position groups got their own situation.

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So I'm pretty sure we got our own little trolley

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or whatever they call it, double decker. Now, do you bring

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your own drink or

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is it supplied for you? That's

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a good question too. I do know

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that Creeds got some Boulevard beer for us. Which

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is super popular here in Kansas City. Um,

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but yeah, I'll probably have my own bottle of something

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with me as well. Okay, I don't want you walking

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out like Tom Brady did when they had that

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boat parade, okay, where

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it looked like he was csick and he had had

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his tequila and he threw the trophy. So

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just be careful. There won't

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be anything crazy for me like that. Um,

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the Super Bowl party, how would you

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describe it? Oh? Man?

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Super cool? Man, it was super cool, Like you

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know, obviously it's it's a once in a lifetime opportunity

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to even play in the game, let alone winning. And

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uh man, I mean you just felt

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that energy honest all week and

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man, it was so gratifying, you know,

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to get that, to get that win.

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Um gosh, man, it was. It was

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truly special. All right. Take me into halftime.

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What was said at halftime? Yeah,

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at halftime, man, um gosh,

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it was just it was a clear message, you

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know, hey, we gotta go take this and if

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we want to win this game, to beat this really good football

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team, we're gonna have to go take it. And

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I mean, man, that was communicated from the moment

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we sat down in there um through

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all of the leaders to coach read

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to coach eb you know, understanding

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the circumstances, man that this is a really good football

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team, and the margin of error in any

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game is super slim, and against

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a team in the Super Bowl like that that we

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just played, the margin of error was even

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smaller. And I mean, man, I mean

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they they turned the ball over once

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and still only lost about three points. Okay,

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wait, aute, you're missing you're you're you're

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not letting us in on the biggest message

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that Andy Reid said to you guys

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about three m uh

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you heard about the Hi. Yeah,

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if what do you say? He said?

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Uh? He said, uh, he said, if you want to watch

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Rihanna, just keep on walking, Like,

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yeah, I remember you say something like that. If you want to see

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to just keep on walking us

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the best. We're guys trying to sneak

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out to see her perform. No,

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they were okay, but yeah, that's

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just coach reach. The

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offensive line. We had heard about the offensive

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line obviously what happened against Tampa Bay

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and then that was the big question mark. And here's

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here's the Eagles. You know, they got all

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of these sacks, second most in NFL

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history in a season. Yeah,

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how did you guys take that going into

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this Super Bowl as a group, Yeah,

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man, I mean, you know, it showed up on film.

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I think they're definitely we're the top unit

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this year. As far as rushing the pastor top

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to bottom. They did an amazing job all year creating

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one on once. Hassan Redick had

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a great year rushing the pastor as

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well, and they got a really good system, great

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coverage schemes, the way that they mix things up.

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Their DC did a really good job of all of that.

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We knew it was gonna have our handsful, um, But

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man, the understanding in our

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officive line room is we set a really high standard

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individually and collectively, and

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man, going into that game, it

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was understood it was gonna be on us. And you

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know, something that I spoke about to the guys on

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Saturday was, you know, pressures privilege. You

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know, we heard all the talk about the

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eighty five Bears and how similar this defensive

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front is and all of those different things

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about what they've gotten and all that. But

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at the end of the day, man, I think the tougher team

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and a more physical team won. What did you

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say after the game. No sacks,

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zero sacks. Put

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it on the T shirt. Put it on a bleeping T shirt.

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I think that's exactly

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what I said.

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Why didn't Mahomes bring you

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to Disney World? The entire group, the offensive

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line?

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Obviously there's so much for us, bed That's

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probably the one thing I didn't necessarily

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want to do. I enjoyed spending time with

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my family, not having to wake up at six

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am to catch a flight to LA Yeah,

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and I what's that feeling like when

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you give up a sack and Mahomes

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is there on the ground, Like do you say anything?

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Yeah? I mean, you know, like as as an officive,

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lignement is it's that's obviously the

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worst thing that can happen to us. And you

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know, for for an old old aligneman

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man to give up a sack, period, it's always a super

5:27

uncomfortable feeling. And uh man

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especially don't let it be on third down or

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two many or in the game. I mean,

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I can't tell you how bad of a feeling that is,

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but normally I just I just kind of let him

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know, you know what I mean, or you know, or he'll

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say something to me like, hey, that's that's on me.

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I was drifting, I was floated. It was coverage or

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he'll be like block your guy. So we're

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talking to Orlando Brown, junior Super Bowl

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champ offensive tackle for the Chiefs.

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How bad was that field? Yeah?

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You know what it was? It

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was pretty bad. I would say. I honestly,

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I didn't slip any at all, Like maybe I had

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one rep where I kind of slid sitting

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on a bullrush, but uh, man, it

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was it was super soft. It was. It was it

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was kind of like it was soft, like a very

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soft surface. Um.

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You know your cleat marks were clear in the ground

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and all of that. Um.

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I mean, man, I don't I personally, I didn't have to wear

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my seven studs. I don't think it affected my game at

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all, but I know people on the other side of the

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ball were seemed to be affected. How

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many pairs of shoes different shoes

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did you bring to the Super Bowl? I

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brought. I'll always bring three cleats. Um.

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I've honestly never had a cleat malfunction.

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But you know, I'm real weird about

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my uniform malfunctions, so

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I always at least keep three of everything. What

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are you gonna do with your a Super Bowl uniform.

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Man, I've got to hear I'm gonna hang it up. I've

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got I've got all my cleats from

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each game in this playoff series. Um,

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I got my jersey, my uniform, have my

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helmet. Um. Then I'm I'm

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gonna hang everything up and get it all frames him.

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I explain the Lane Johnson move

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that he has off the ball, his get off.

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Yeah. Is that legal? Yeah,

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definitely, definitely, I feel like it's legal.

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Um. You know so often you hear, you

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know, fans talk about or announcers

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talk about offensive linement,

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false starting. We want to false start here, we want

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this. I mean, listen, man, you're

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going against guys on the other side of the ball, especially

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when you're on silent cadence. Especially on silent

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cadence, You're going against guys that are

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trying to use the snapcount against you, that

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run for sixes or below, that

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are great athletes that are super long. And

7:37

the way that Lane Johnson plays, he likes to beat

7:39

guys to the spot, and his style

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of play is basically manipulating

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you by creating more space and allowing

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you to think that, oh you have the inside, oh

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you have the outside. We more

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guys do it because, I

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mean, Lane Johnson is one

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of the most elite players that ever played the position.

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His fundamental his athleticism

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is length. His arms is punched,

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I mean top to bottom. I mean, he's one

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of the best to ever do it. And it's

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not necessarily anything that can be mimicked,

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you know what I mean. It's not necessarily, in my opinion,

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a coach technique. You know what I mean this is

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this is a Lane Johnson style of play. That's why

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very rarely do you see guys of his with

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his ability. And I mean you could say that about all the

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top guys. You know what I mean, Trimp Williams,

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learn me tons of Lane Johnson,

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Tristan works all four of those guys. I mean, all

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their games are so different. Help

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me understand the Eric B Enemy the

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offensive coordinator position. He

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is he calling the plays like just

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I don't. I'm trying to figure this out, Orlando,

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that here we are again. Eric B. Enemy may

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have to leave to be an OC someplace else,

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to show that he can be an offensive coordinator,

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which I think that's his job

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title in Kansas City. What am I missing? Yeah?

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Man, personally, man, it's like it sucks

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because I got a lot of respect for a coach

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eb and you know, I'm

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pretty sure he calls the place and uh

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man, you know, and in casey, it is a collective

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effort. I feel like with h as

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far as maybe what gets installed,

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but I know him and Coach Read

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somewhere in there, like the plays are

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being called, you know, through through ev on the headset,

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and uh man, it's unfortunate, you know

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that so many of these opportunities have

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come up over the years and he hasn't been able to, uh,

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you know, get a head coaching job, and you know,

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it's come to the point where old it's Patrick

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Mahomes and he's under coach Read, so

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we don't really know what he's capable of. And

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uh you know, man, it's it's it's unfortunate,

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you know, the business side of things for him. But

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I feel as though, man, if he were to go somewhere

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else, if you were to become a head coach,

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were to become an OC somewhere else, I

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mean, he's going to have a ton of success.

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Yeah, hopefully gets an opportunity.

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Make sure you protect Mahomes today too.

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Okay, it's not just in the game you got to protect

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him, you know, you know, make sure nothing happens

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to him. I hear you, I hear you.

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Have a have a good time and congratulations

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Orlando. Thanks for joining us. Yeah, thank

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Paleozolo our good buddy, Pro Football Focus,

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senior analyst co host of Pro

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Football Focus NFL podcast,

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Good to see you again. Have you

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guys chopped up the Super Bowl and given

10:38

out grades? Yeah

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we have. Yeah, it was We

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do it live pretty much and then review it the next day.

10:45

So we got the grades out there, and the quarterbacks

10:48

were as good as I think they looked, right, Jalen Hurts

10:50

and Patrick Mahomes two of the best players on the field,

10:52

and the grades reflected that. Okay, who had

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a higher grade between those two? We

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had Hurts with a slight edge in his

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overall. Obviously he had the worst play with

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the fumble, but in Mahomes

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didn't really make a ton of mistakes. But Hurts had

11:05

had more special plays right some of those downfield

11:08

throws and some of his best throws

11:10

were incomplete. The DeVante

11:13

Smith passed down the field that gets dropped

11:15

or it just ends up incomplete after the review. Some

11:18

nice tight window, double coverage, throat tight

11:21

window throws to Dallas Goddard, another one on

11:23

third down after avoiding the blitz.

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So Jalen Hurts was awesome

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in that game, and I think we're gonna forget it though, because

11:30

you know, the Chiefs one. But it could lead

11:32

to a big contract extension because I don't

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know if people had questions.

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Do you have questions now after what you saw

11:38

with Jalen Hurts if you were with the Eagles

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and you were going to be handing out that

11:43

check to him, would you have any issue

11:46

giving him forty five million dollars a year? Maybe

11:49

forty five it's gonna be fascinating. I

11:51

would say the Eagles did

11:53

such a good job building their team this past

11:55

offseason because Jalen Hurts was on that first

11:58

contract. It allowed them to go get a j Brown, It

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allows them to bring in a James Bradberry.

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They're gonna lose a bunch of free agency this year

12:05

and it's going to be difficult to replace

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those guys because you know, Jalen Hurts is do the

12:09

next big contract. So I do think he ends

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up in that forty million dollar range, and I do think

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the Super Bowl does go a long way to

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you know, it's still in confidence of what he can do going forward.

12:19

If the Jets called you and

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said, give us the best quarterback

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that you guys have graded that makes the most

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sense for the Jets, who would you

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recommend if

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you're willing to make the one to two year investment.

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I think it has to be Aaron Rodgers, you know. I mean the

12:35

other option would be Lamar Jackson if you're

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if you if you want to trade with the Ravens,

12:40

if they end up franchise tagging him and you're gonna

12:42

give up two ones, I think the first

12:44

option would be Lamar Jackson just

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because you could lock him up long term. But

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I have to go Aaron Rodgers over the other

12:51

alternatives. You know, the Derek Carrs of the world that Jimmy

12:53

Garoppolo's. I think Rogers

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probably still gives you that best one

12:57

to two year option or opportunity

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to win it. And you're in an AFC East that has Josh

13:02

Allen and the Bills right already has the

13:05

Dolphins with their explosive offense. I don't

13:07

think status quo at quarterback is going to

13:09

do it for the Jets. Yeah, I said, I would rather have

13:11

Derek Carr find the Jets because I don't

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think they're ready to I think they're ready to compete

13:15

now and maybe they're going to be a playoff team,

13:18

but I don't want the Aaron Rodgers.

13:21

You're going to play for one year. I don't know about the next

13:23

year, because I look at this is probably a three year

13:25

window for the Jets where they can

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be really competitive given

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the weapons that they have. I just

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I don't want to go two steps forward

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and then two steps back with Aaron

13:36

Rodgers in two years and then we got

13:38

to look for another quarterback. No,

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I completely get it. It's just such a fascinating

13:43

time in the NFL though, right, Like when you have a guy like Derek

13:45

Carr, who is you know, quarterback

13:47

eleven to fifteen, depending on how you want

13:49

to rank them. Right, he's in that range. What

13:52

a fascinating time where the NFL,

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there's a team that wants to move on from Derek Carr,

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but there's other teams who think Derek car is going

13:59

to be the savior. That's what happened with Jared Goff

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with the Rams, right, the Rams had to move

14:03

on from Jared Goff, who took them to the Super Bowl.

14:05

The Niners did everything to move on from Jimmy Garoppolo,

14:08

who took them to a super Bowl. But for other

14:10

teams, those guys are great. So

14:12

three years from now, the Jets might if they had Derek Carr,

14:15

they might be saying, oh, we want the next you

14:17

know, the next guy that's gonna be better

14:19

than Carr. But what about the Saints with Derek

14:21

Carr. I

14:23

think the NFC South might be a little bit different. I

14:25

think every NFC South team has been rumored

14:28

to be looking at Derek Carr because they're all saying, well,

14:30

Tom Brady retired, the Bucks weren't that good

14:32

this year. Anyway, we could go win the division, right. I mean,

14:34

teams still look at the short term and

14:36

say, Derek Carr if he steps into that division,

14:39

might be the best quarterback there where he was the fourth

14:41

best quarterback on paper, you know, coming into the season

14:43

in the AFC West. So I think it might be a little bit

14:45

different for a team like the Saints that is

14:48

always always in credit card

14:50

debt when it comes to the salary cap, they're much more willing

14:52

to make that type of take that type

14:55

of investment in a Derek Carr. It

14:57

was strange going into this season that

14:59

pat Rick Mahomes wasn't an All Pro the

15:02

previous year, and it felt like he cooled

15:04

off a little bit. Then you had the Tyreek

15:06

Hill trade. It felt like defenses were

15:09

playing a little softer, keeping everything

15:11

in front. Josh Allen loved Joe

15:13

Burrow here justin Herbert, and

15:16

we kind of forgot about Mahomes

15:19

And that's almost like forgetting about Lebron

15:22

or Steph Curry. Why

15:24

was it? You know, why do you think that we

15:27

sort of moved on from Mahomes or forgot

15:29

about him? Well, because a year

15:31

ago we did see mahomes worst season

15:33

you just described it, and not only that, but an

15:36

epic collapse in the AFC Championship.

15:38

Right, they were dominant in the first half against the Bengals

15:40

last year. But we have never seen Mahomes

15:43

collapse the way he did in the AFC Championship.

15:45

Fumbles, interceptions that may not have been

15:47

his faults, but just not leading the comebacks that

15:49

he normally does, not making that game winning

15:51

drive. It was his worst season, right, So understandably,

15:54

then you lose Tyreek Hill. And it was a fair question

15:56

to say, how much of mahomes production is

15:58

Tyreek Hill plus Travis Kelsey plus Andy

16:00

Reid in the system? But I think you have to hand it some Mahomes

16:03

much like a Tom Brady through the years,

16:05

Brady played in different systems with different personnel,

16:07

and they always won and they were always productive. Mahomes

16:10

did that this year, right. He did it in a different style.

16:12

It was a quick passing game. It wasn't the explosive

16:14

plays down the field. He showed

16:17

the patience he adjusted to the league a

16:19

huge part in mahomes career right now in a

16:21

year five as a starter to just win

16:23

in a different way. So I understand why

16:25

people may have doubted him a little bit. But I think he just answered

16:28

all the questions and said, Nope, I'm elite I'm the

16:30

top guy, and I'm still here. Steve Paddlezolo,

16:32

He's the senior analyst for

16:34

Pro Football Focus. How bad was Russell

16:37

Wilson's season. I

16:39

mean, by far the worst of his career. He was

16:42

one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL by our grading

16:44

system and pretty much any stat that you use. But

16:46

I think the really difficult

16:49

part two is when you go back to about the middle

16:51

of twenty twenty. Remember, he was having that incredible

16:53

season on pace to break the touchdown record.

16:56

Middle of twenty twenty, though, things fell apart twenty

16:58

twenty one. He was okay, but then he gets hurt,

17:00

wasn't good after the injury, and then last year was

17:03

not good. So we're talking about almost a year's

17:05

worth of games right now where Russell

17:07

Wilson's been a bottom third quarterback.

17:09

So it wasn't just this year. It was kind of a few

17:12

years before that coming. So we'll see what Shohn

17:14

Payton can do with them, but it certainly hasn't been

17:16

great for the last thirty two games or so of Russell

17:18

Wilson's career. You get enough of a sample

17:20

size with Brock Purdy to sign

17:23

off on him as the starter in San

17:25

Francisco to sign

17:27

off as starter, absolutely, just because you know

17:30

the first year contract type of stuff. We hear that a

17:32

lot when you have a cheap quarterback and it's

17:34

purty in this system with Kyle Shanahan. Not

17:36

to take anything away from Purty, he was excellent, but

17:39

Kyle Shanahan has about a fifteen year track

17:41

record of elevating every single quarterback that

17:43

he's played with from a production standpoint,

17:45

They've all played better, including

17:47

when he had Matt Ryan, the best quarterback that Kyle

17:50

Shanahan's ever had. Matt Ryan almost breaks

17:52

the league nine yards per attempt, wins MVP.

17:55

So I think a lot of it's the playmakers in the

17:57

play calling in San Francisco. But Purdy was

18:00

excellent running that offense as a seventh round rookie,

18:02

which is really impressive. What about Kyler Murray's

18:05

grade? And I know we have to factor in

18:07

the injury and is he going to even be ready

18:09

for this next season? Yeah,

18:12

So he was on this perfect trajectory

18:14

of getting better every year. His first three seasons,

18:16

it looked like he had peaked. He peeked

18:18

in in his third year, and this year he took a big step

18:20

back. I don't know how much of it was not having DeAndre

18:22

Hopkins for the first seven games, but Kyler

18:25

had the highest percentage of big time

18:27

throws in the league in twenty twenty one,

18:29

our highest gradeed throws, those special throws

18:31

down the field. He was among the worst

18:33

this year, so he wasn't pushing the ball down the field

18:35

at the same level. His grade fell back to

18:38

about league average, a little bit below league

18:40

average this year. So a lot of questions with Kyler,

18:42

and we might not even see him for the majority

18:44

of next season because of the injury. So it

18:46

was him progressing every single

18:48

season, but definitely took a big step back here in twenty

18:51

twenty two. The Bear situation,

18:53

you're on the clock with the number one pick and

18:56

you have justin fields already. How

18:58

did Pro Football focus great out justin

19:01

fields? And what would you do with that number one

19:03

pick? So we graded him

19:05

as a blow average passer, but unbelievable

19:07

runner, right exactly what we saw on the field.

19:10

I've always thought he has the passing ability, so there's

19:12

so much potential there with justin fields.

19:14

I do think the Bears should be doing their due

19:16

diligence on Bryce Young and the other quarterbacks.

19:19

Bryce Young in particular, he's the number one quarterback

19:21

on the PFF draft board. I do think

19:23

you have to weigh taking Bryce Young at

19:25

one and potentially trading Justin

19:27

Fields. I think that's option number one. Potentially,

19:30

if they like, would you do, what would

19:32

you do? I would I

19:34

would take Bryce Young and I would look to trade Justin

19:36

Fields. I mean, that's that's my first option if

19:38

I have a good enough market for Justin Fields.

19:40

The second option is trade down and say,

19:42

okay, we have to play up to the Colts and the fact that

19:44

they're desperate, the Panthers that they're desperate, the Raiders,

19:47

all the maybe even the Texans at two, so

19:49

you have to trade down. I think the worst thing the Bears

19:51

can do is draft a non quarterback.

19:54

The worst thing they could do is sit at one draft

19:56

to Will Anderson from Alabama, draft to Jalen

19:58

Carter from Georgia. They have to maximize

20:00

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20:03

quarterback or with multiple draft

20:05

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just sent me the catch

21:05

rule, the catch language, the official

21:08

language here. Do I

21:10

want to do this? Do I want to burden this audience

21:12

and go over the catch, completed

21:15

catch or intercepted? Well, if it bothers

21:17

people, this is the time to say something to

21:19

maybe ever have it changed the

21:22

offseason. Okay. A

21:24

player who makes a catch may advance

21:27

the ball. A forward pass is complete

21:29

by the offense or intercepted

21:32

by the defense in the field of play, at the sideline

21:34

or in the end zone. If a

21:36

player who is inbound secures control

21:39

of the ball in his hands or arms prior

21:41

to the ball touching the round and B touches

21:44

the ground inbounds with both feet or

21:46

any part of his body other than his hands,

21:48

and C. After A and

21:50

B have been fulfilled, performs

21:52

any act common to the game, ie,

21:56

tuck the ball away, extend

21:58

it forward, take an additional turn

22:00

up field, or avoid or ward off

22:02

an opponent. Or

22:04

he maintains control of the ball long enough

22:07

to do so.

22:10

So For example, that that dump pass to Miles

22:12

Sanders of the Eagles. Yea, he caught it, two

22:14

feet were in. He quickly turns up field,

22:17

and then he got hit by snead the

22:19

ball comes out. That The rule there

22:21

is he maintains control of

22:23

the ball long enough to do so. Why throw

22:25

that in there? But it

22:27

says extended forward, take an

22:29

additional step, turn up field, or

22:32

avoid or ward off an opponent. Maintain

22:35

See that to me was a fumble with

22:38

Sanders. I mean, if

22:40

you have two feet you have the ball in your

22:42

turn up field, your third step

22:45

now is important, okay,

22:47

and then that's a that was a fumble. Yes,

22:51

here's my new version. Let's make catching much

22:53

more easy. And instead of taking adding

22:55

language to make great catches deemed

22:58

ineligible, let's do opposite. You need two

23:00

feet in. Some people want one foot in, like college. How

23:02

about two feet in and you prevent the ball from hitting the ground,

23:05

and nothing out of bounds matters. Once

23:08

the player exits the field and steps

23:10

out of bounds. It's like a movie going to

23:12

black because why would any

23:14

actions how to bounce factor within bounds.

23:16

I know you're saying, I agree, because remember Santonio

23:18

Holmes when he caught that one ends on you were there. He

23:21

tapped the toes right, he went to the ground.

23:23

If you watch him hit the ground, the ball's

23:26

moving. Now that rule wasn't in place,

23:28

but when Santonio Holmes do it. But imagine if that play was

23:30

somehow called dead because of Santonio

23:32

Holmes three yards out of bounds. He

23:34

never let it hit the ground, but he was shifting in his gut

23:37

area. Well, there are two calls where

23:39

I you know, the NFL

23:41

lost me, Like I just was

23:44

really disappointed. Calvin Johnson's

23:46

touchdown, he got up

23:48

to celebrate and then they

23:50

go, that's not a touchdown and I went, oh,

23:53

boy, sport is that we're not

23:55

heading in a good direction? And Dez Bryan

23:57

at Lambeau like those

24:00

were embarrassing where

24:03

you're just going, let's just apply common sense

24:05

here. How about that that's a catch.

24:08

He tried to score a touchdown.

24:11

He did catch it. Maybe

24:13

you don't give him the touchdown, but give him

24:15

the catch. Sorry, cowboy

24:17

fans, but this still bothers

24:19

me and the Calvin Johnson

24:22

did he complete the process? They keep

24:24

adding language, not subtracting.

24:27

That's why the NFL finds itself

24:29

in this conundrum. They're like, man, everybody

24:31

complains about the officials because you

24:33

put him in a position where

24:36

it's so complicated. Davante

24:38

Smith caught the ball in the Super Bowl.

24:41

He went out of bounds. Did he maintain I

24:43

don't care what he does out of bounds? Yes,

24:47

But isn't the reason that they're adding all this language

24:49

because of those incidents? What

24:52

is and what isn't a catch? Like I think that

24:54

they would make it worse. It's more complicated.

24:56

It is more complicated, but they doubled

24:59

down problem. You know, I think

25:01

everybody would admit. I think even the league would

25:03

admit that they got those two calls. Calls wrong, right,

25:05

Calvin Johnson, that was a catch. Day's Bryant, that was a catch

25:08

on But I

25:10

think from their point of view, there has to

25:12

be a point in the process

25:16

that it becomes a catch. Because

25:21

you say, as soon as the ball crosses

25:23

the goal line, it's a touchdown, right, yeah,

25:25

But as soon as the ball hits the receiver's two hands

25:28

and they have two feet in, then it instantly becomes

25:30

a catch. Or do they actually have to catch it? You

25:32

know what I'm saying. There has to be a moment where

25:35

they have control of the ball and they bring it in

25:37

something demonstrates

25:39

control, but not to the ground. DeVante

25:42

Smith going to the ground. Then

25:46

then then we put in something that shouldn't

25:48

have anything to do with it. It's just did you catch

25:50

that ball and bounce? Yes, he did. What happened

25:53

when he went out of bounce, Well, he jostled

25:55

the ball a little bit. I don't care about.

25:57

When did he catch the ball? And bounce though, Well they have

26:00

to decide. They'll look at that, they'll go, yeah,

26:02

he's got it right. But that's why they're putting in all

26:04

of this language to give them sort

26:07

of a checklist of saying like, okay, yeah, they

26:09

did these three four things, and that means it

26:11

was a catch. They

26:13

doubled down to make themselves right,

26:16

like the complete the process. No,

26:19

there's no complete in the process. That's

26:23

where a lawyer goes. You know, they've got to complete

26:25

the process, all right, put that in there. If

26:28

you went through history, history

26:31

would change in the NFL if you

26:33

applied today's rules to

26:35

what happened back then. If you go, that's not a catch,

26:38

you know. Frank o'harris,

26:41

I don't know. Did that ball? I don't

26:43

know if that's a come on? But

26:46

everything else in the game has

26:48

been skewed in the offense's

26:50

favor, Yes, except for this

26:52

one thing. You have to make

26:54

sure that you have control of the ball all the way down. Well,

26:57

I don't. That's one thing that they're making slightly

26:59

more complicated. That's like, that's really

27:01

just a checklist of let's try to get this as right

27:03

as possible. It's the only thing in the game that's

27:05

made slightly more difficult for

27:08

an offensive player. Well, I'm not worried about the offensive

27:10

player. I'm worried about the viewer, the fan

27:12

who's trying to understand this, and

27:15

that is is that a catch? Yes? Is

27:17

that a not a catch? Yes? Do

27:20

you have control when he had, you know,

27:22

in the field of play? Yes, It's

27:26

just Mike Pereira disagreed

27:28

with the call on Davante Smith and

27:31

he's ref friendly and he's going

27:33

they're spending so much time that

27:36

they were looking like it wasn't obvious.

27:38

If it's supposed to be obvious, then it

27:40

should take you seconds like yeah,

27:42

obviously, it's like I don't know,

27:44

Can I see another? Can I see another? Okay,

27:48

we're going to reverse it never should have been

27:50

never should have been reverse. There wasn't enough evidence

27:52

there. Yes, Hun, I agree with Paul as pars

27:54

Once the player you got both feet into plays over,

27:56

who cares about what's happening out about because if you have to

27:59

somehow complete the catch while

28:01

and they're looking at what happened to you you out of bounds, then you should

28:03

be able to complete a tackle out of bounds and not call

28:06

laid hit out of bounds. We're in the process of tackling

28:08

someone, then finish him off while he's going

28:10

out of bounds, because it matters about catching the ball

28:12

while you're out of bounds. Yes, So if

28:14

you have two feet in and you catch

28:17

the ball, but you fall out of bounds and drop it, yeah,

28:19

right, that shouldn't count. No, it should. But

28:21

if you have also it shouldn't be a

28:23

catch then. No. I thought we were saying what happens out of bounds

28:25

doesn't count. No, it should be a catch. So it should be a

28:27

catch. But if you're in the middle of the field

28:29

and you have two feet down and you catch the ball

28:32

and fall and hit the ground and drop it,

28:34

is that also still a catch? No? So

28:37

why is out of bounce is a catch,

28:39

but inbounds isn't a catch? Then at that point you know what

28:41

I mean. It's the exact same action, it's the same

28:44

emotions everything. No, the whistle blows.

28:46

If I catch the ball and I go out of bounds,

28:48

then the play is dead. If I'm in

28:50

the field of play and I catch the ball and then

28:53

I drop it, if I had it, then

28:55

might be a fumble. So

28:57

the whistle is not going to blow on that. So it might be

28:59

a fumble, might be an incompleted pounce. I

29:01

don't want out of bounds to cause

29:04

and incompletion. That's

29:06

That's the only thing I'm saying here that DeVante

29:09

Smith made that catch and

29:11

they didn't have enough evidence to overturn it,

29:14

and they did, and Mike Perrer said,

29:16

in a moment, they're looking

29:19

it shouldn't be that difficult if it is

29:21

overturn it. Yeah, clear and obvious. Doesn't

29:24

take this long, Yes, And that was the

29:26

point I was trying to make. I just think it adds

29:28

a deeper and another

29:30

layer for the referees to

29:33

try to, you know, come up with this in real

29:35

time. And that's the problem. We've

29:38

made their job so difficult because

29:40

we keep adding language here. And

29:42

that's the problem I have. And as a fan,

29:45

I just I just want to watch it and go that

29:47

was a catch not I don't know

29:50

if he's the nose of the

29:52

football. Go

29:54

back to Dez Bryant. Try

29:57

to explain Dez Bryant, he

30:00

hand caught it a couple

30:02

of steps, tried to score touchdown,

30:04

incomplete pass. Horrible, embarrassing.

30:08

Calvin Johnson touchdown, getting up to

30:10

celebrate, drops the ball didn't complete

30:12

the process. Yeah,

30:14

I ought to go back to some of the other rules. David Tyree's

30:17

helmet catch with Eli Manning. He

30:19

had the ball against the side of his helmet. Now, remember

30:21

when he fell down and Rodney's trying to take it out, the ball

30:23

almost hits the turf on the back of his head.

30:25

It didn't, but it's very close. According

30:27

to the rule, if that ball would have touched the turf and

30:30

assisted him in any way because

30:32

he didn't have two hands control, that play

30:34

might have been waved off. No, No, I could see where

30:36

it would be easily. If it would they would say, well,

30:39

it's moving. But if it depends on if it

30:41

moved when it touched the ground. If it didn't move and

30:43

touch the ground, they would call it a catch according to the rule

30:45

or receiver if they're getting help from the ground

30:48

before they've had control, having one handcats

30:50

your helmet, I bet they would have said that's not control of the ball

30:52

and may have waved that one off. I look at it like

30:54

this, I look at the rule should be somewhere like catching

30:57

a baby from a burning building. I

30:59

caught the baby I'm tripping on it's moving

31:01

up and down. I don't have it. But if I prevent the baby from

31:03

hitting the ground, I'm the winner. You know that.

31:06

You know, if you prevent the ball from dropping out of

31:08

your hands and hitting the ground, let's make that a catch.

31:12

I don't know if I could use that language. Commissari at the burning

31:14

baby, Yeah, burning back building baby, roll

31:17

yes, new pole. Question. What do you love

31:19

talking about more? This or any list?

31:22

Uh? Wow, I

31:25

would say I despise list like

31:29

this. This is you know, once a year we

31:31

might bring this up. There's always you

31:33

know, a list coming up. You know, on the top one hundred.

31:35

You know they talk they you know, the

31:37

list of great quarterback. Where's Mahomes on

31:39

the list of great quarterbacks? Now he's got

31:41

to be number two? Is he three?

31:44

Yes, we're gonna put a list of the top

31:46

ten list that you hate.