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Hi. It's me, Tracy Patton, host of

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Hollywood, and Crime. I wanna tell you about

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the hit podcast cold. This

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season, the host, Dave Cauley, investigates

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the disappear HERES OF SHURY WARREN,

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A YOUNG MOTHER LOOKING FOR A FRESH START.

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RECENTLY DIVORSED SHE HAD MOVED BACK

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IN WITH HER FAMILY. found a great new job

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and even a new boyfriend. Her

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life was turning around and she

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was happy for the first time in a long

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time. But on a crisp October evening

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after work, Sherry said goodbye to

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her coworkers, left the office

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and

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was never heard from again.

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All eyes quickly turned towards her ex husband.

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He had a history of violence and had previously

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lured another woman into the woods.

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and beat her with a tire iron. But

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there was also another

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man that peaked the interests of investigators. Sherry's

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new boyfriend,

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a former reserve

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police officer who also had

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a dark history of sexual violence.

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The

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two men closest to Charisse wore

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they loved her and promised to protect

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her. but did one of them murder

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her? I'm about to play you a clip from

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Rain drizzled over the canyon of the

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south fork of the Ogden River. It

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patter on the canvas top of Heidi

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Posnine's jeep as she drove up Utah

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State Highway thirty nine on the morning

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of Friday June fourth nineteen seventy

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one. She was on

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her way to meet the strange man who for weeks

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been calling her demanding they go

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on a date. I can't see it,

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but I'm doing air quotes. She

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turned right off the highway at the entrance to

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the Meadows Camp friend crossed

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a short bridge over the river barely

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more than a creek really and stopped

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next to a camper trailer on the far side.

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A pair of sheriff's deputies dressed as fishermen

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stepped out to greet her.

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And I said, what should I do? Yeah.

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He said, just pull

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across

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the street. and

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then leave

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the Jeep part, like,

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the sideways. You know what I mean? As Heidi's

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describing this to me decades later, she's

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using her hands to show the positions of

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her Jeep in the trailer how

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the deputies told her to park next to them,

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but to reverse out after the collar arrived

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and passed by her position, to block

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him from getting back across the bridge

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to the road. She

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was the on the mouse rap.

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Listen, make sure when

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he comes up, identify, make

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sure that he's the right person.

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Two miles down the can, back in

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the direction of Huntsville, her husband

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John Posnine waited at another

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campground call Magpile. The

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sheriff was with him, along with the deputy

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Albert Bailey. They all watched

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the highway as they a clock ticked toward

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the time for Heidi's date to arrive.

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A little after ten AM, a

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red and white half ton pickup truck past

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magpike going up the canyon toward

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meadows. John Posney

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saw a logo printed on the truck's door

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and a dummy who was driving his dad's

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business truck had said Hartman

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Plumbing. And when they drove past

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Magpie, Joseph, he immediately

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knew who it was Hartman Plumbing

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and Heating belonged to a man named

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Bill Hartman. John Newbill,

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they had golfed together at the Oregon Golfing

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Country Club, Bill was also

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a fellow member of the Weber Club.

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The caller had told Heidi he'd seen her at

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the Weber Club. It clicked

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for John. He recognized the

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man at the wheel of the pickup as

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Bill Hartman's oldest son, Carrie

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Hartman. The sheriff tried

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to radio the two undercover deputies who

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were with Heidi at Meadows to let them know

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the collar would soon reach them, but

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the radio didn't work in the narrow

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canyon. Heidi no

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idea who the young man in the pickup truck

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was when he turned off the high way,

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drove across the bridge and

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stopped next to her Jeep.

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No. Because I never paid any

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attention to

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him before. I didn't notice him before.

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The young man rolled down his window.

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Heidi saw he had brown hair, green

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eyes, and appeared clean-cut like

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a cop or military man. kind

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of forgettable.

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He says, hi. I can't remember exactly.

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And and

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then I said, why would you pick on an old

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lady like me? And then he made some remark

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that I was a sexier, a prettier,

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something, you know. You're not an old lady at

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this point, though. No. Gosh. No.

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But I was way older than

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he was. I already had kids, you

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know, teenagers.

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So, yeah, I was an

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old lady. Carrie

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Hartman was twenty two to Heidi's thirty

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six. and he kept looking at that trailer

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and was getting a little nervous. And

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he said, I'm

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gonna just pull up there. Why don't you follow me

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up there? By up there, Carrie

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meant farther into the campground behind a

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line of trees out of sight of the road.

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He drove past her up around

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a bend. Heidi put her jeep in

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reverse pulled out and blocked the narrow

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road just as the deputies had instructed.

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She then leapt from the jeep and rushed

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into the safety of their trailer. the

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deputies told her to stay put,

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then went to stand next to the Jeep.

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Heidi poured herself a cup of coffee

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with shaking hands, She

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listened for the sound of the pickup. It

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had returned after a few minutes. Heidi

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peeked out the window as the deputies pulled

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Carrie of the truck and placed him under

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arrest. They frisked

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him, finding a small knife in his pocket.

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Then they tried to call their backup down at

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the magpie campground. only to discover

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their radios didn't work in the canyon either.

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So the deputies piled into Carrie's

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truck and drove it and him

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down the canyon to meet with the sheriff. I

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stayed a while because I was

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all nervous,

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I guess. Whatever you I'd

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had my coffee, and then I got Najib and

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I drove down and they were already gone. So

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Only later did Heidi learn from

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her husband, John, what had happened? when

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Carrie had arrived in handcuffs at Magpie.

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John, she told me, had turned

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to the sheriff. He's his boy, actually,

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like, smack him in the mouth and he

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says, well, we looked the other way. So

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they they had him already out and

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drive touched him. and

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he he was embarrassed. He looked down and he

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says, I wish he had a gun and shoot me,

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really? Yeah. He said that

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because he was embarrassed. He was ashamed.

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John Pozniak had punched Carrie

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Hartman in the face, while the sheriff and

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his deputies looked the other way.

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Needless to say, this wasn't

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legal. The deputies

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had been taken care to the Weber County jail

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in Ogden where they'd booked him on suspicion

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of making threatening phone calls. A

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minor. mis demeanor charge that

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didn't quite match the gravity of the

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whole situation. Carrie

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provided a handwritten statement admitting to what

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had happened. I

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called the lady and said, would you meet me

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at a time and place? If not,

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some harm would come to your husband's car

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and possibly him. That's

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not Carrie's voice, but they are his

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words read by a voice actor.

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Even today, Heidi downplays

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the seriousness of what happened,

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or because he really hadn't done anything

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other than met me. But

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I'm here to tell you, there was something

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much more omnest behind those

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phone calls. Something that makes Heidi's

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mouth go dry and her hands fidget when

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she really stops to think about it.

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This season isn't about Heidi Posnering. As

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I said earlier, it's about the disappearance

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of Sherry Warren, but there's

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a reason we're starting with Heidi

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instead of Sherry. It's

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because Carrie Hartman, the man who

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tried to lure Heidi up that canyon,

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would years later meet a

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friend and

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woo Sherry Warren. So

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now we're going to follow Carrie's

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path to see how he and Sherry

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first came together. Hold

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on because from here, everything

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escalates.

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Our story begins with a phone call.

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Voice on the phone said

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I was sexy. He

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had made literally thousands of those types

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of calls. He follows the women,

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gets to know them. and then

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hit then Don't report

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your body as I found it.

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Everything. There are a lot of missing

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girls, escalates. She was

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beaten,

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stabbed until the knife broke and then shot twice

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in the head. Sherry

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Warren disappeared in the fall of nineteen

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eighty five. Her

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friends and families say she's not the type to just

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run away. She wouldn't leave her child.

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No one can say just what happened to

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Sherry. No one's faced charges

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for her disappearance. Not her

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ex husband, Chuck Warren, money

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was a big issue. Chuck, he told

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her,

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if I can't have you, nobody's going to.

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I'm

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not sure he's boyfriend, Carrie Hartman.

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I've seen careful with

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him. Yeah. Too disposition. Doctor

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Jackal, mister Hyde. He could be the nicest

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guy you ever wanted me, but he

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also had that sinister

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