0:06

Reproductive rights continue to

0:09

plague Republicans and especially

0:11

mega Republicans, as Democrats

0:13

have their first net

0:16

see pick. In. The

0:18

Alabama State House dating all

0:20

the way back to two

0:22

Thousand Two and all though

0:24

the reproductive rights suppression. Is.

0:26

A disaster. Seeing it have

0:29

consequences were republicans continue to

0:31

lose everything since the overturning

0:33

of Roby Wade, and now

0:35

since Alabama's I've yeah law

0:37

was passed is a good

0:39

thing. That's right, it's good.

0:42

For political actions to have

0:44

consequences in that is exactly

0:46

what we're seeing in Alabama.

0:48

Take a look at this.

0:50

sixty two to thirty eight.

0:53

State. Rep. Elect Maryland Lands

0:55

One The special election for House

0:57

District Ten Yes to our two

1:00

days ago. Making heard

1:02

the first. Net. Gain

1:04

democratic pick up. In. The

1:06

Alabama Legislature Since two

1:09

thousand To twenty two

1:11

Years Twenty two years.

1:13

What? Happened. Well. One

1:16

prominent republican official said

1:18

democrats nationalize the campaign

1:20

of around abortion. To.

1:22

Scare republicans and to

1:24

try to of fundraise

1:26

off of it. One.

1:29

Complaint was that the Republican

1:31

nominee Teddy Powell. Was. To

1:33

moderate in his approach and said if

1:35

democrats want to win for if republicans

1:37

rather one or when purple districts, they

1:40

have to be full on republicans. In

1:42

other words, Lands ran as a full

1:44

on democrat. And. The republican ran

1:46

as a moderate and this hurt them.

1:49

To. Really important to understand

1:51

the more sensible perspective here.

1:53

Which. Is that? Now. That

1:56

they are getting what they want in a sense.

1:58

Exactly. As predicted, Trump

2:00

one in twenty sixteen. Got

2:02

his supreme court picks. Those pics

2:05

overturn Roe v Wade. And

2:07

most American said, wait a second.

2:09

We think abortion should be illegal

2:11

in most cases, and now Republicans

2:14

have had loss after loss after

2:16

loss after Roby Wade was overturned.

2:18

Similarly, Alabama passes this I the

2:20

F bill which says a frozen

2:22

embryos and I V F clinics

2:24

are people. Essentially, they have personhood.

2:27

And all of a sudden. Sane.

2:29

And logical people all over the state are

2:31

saying hey, you know what I may be

2:33

religious. But. All of a sudden

2:35

now you're going to put I V F

2:37

Clinics in a port in a position where

2:40

they say we don't even wanna be in

2:42

this business at all. Because. Of

2:44

the risk of legal problems, criminal

2:46

problems, who the hell knows that's

2:48

not good. That's the government getting

2:50

involved where it shouldn't get involved.

2:52

And now you see a democrat

2:54

when and a net democratic pick

2:56

up. For the first time in

2:58

twenty two years. the Biden Harris

3:00

campaign put out a statement about

3:03

this where they said quote. Last.

3:05

Month. Alabamans. Lost

3:08

access to fertility treatments.

3:10

Because. Of Donald Trump. Tonight.

3:12

The voters in Alabama's Ted's house

3:15

district elected a pro choice champion.

3:17

In. Maryland, Lance sending Trump and

3:19

Extreme mag of a clear

3:21

message. They know exactly who's

3:24

to blame. For. Restricting their ability

3:26

to decide how and when to

3:28

build their families and they're ready

3:30

to fight back. Trump. Overturn

3:32

Roe V Wade paving the way for

3:34

attacks on women's freedoms like we saw

3:36

in Alabama. Now. He's running to

3:39

ban abortion and got access to I

3:41

the F nationwide. Tonight's. Results

3:43

should serve as a major warning sign

3:45

for Trump. Voters will not stand for

3:47

his attacks on reproductive health care. This.

3:50

November will be no

3:52

different. Now. It is important and

3:54

we're going to talk about this in the

3:57

forthcoming segment. It is important to remember that

3:59

no man, What Happens No matter

4:01

what we see. No

4:03

matter what momentum we think we have. No.

4:06

Matter what anti mag momentum

4:08

we believe we might be

4:10

seeing. The. Only way to make

4:12

it a reality is by voting. That

4:14

says a former President Barack Obama explain,

4:16

but bomb Know that guy. Ah what

4:19

we have to do with both votes.

4:21

Booing! Okay, you can boo clapping are

4:23

you can go up. Whatever.

4:25

Else right? But we have to vote at the end

4:27

of the day to make this a reality. But we

4:29

also can't ignore because at the end of the day

4:32

were doing and a analysis of what we're seeing. It

4:34

would be strange for me to ignore. That.

4:36

Electorally. Not. Only has Mega

4:38

Trump is I'm not been so good. For republicans

4:41

we know that. But. Also, the

4:43

assault on reproductive rights has not

4:45

been good and we have seen

4:47

a ballot referenda. On. Abortion

4:50

rights go the opposite way.

4:52

Of bar overturning Roe v Wade. Since

4:54

Roe v Wade was overturned. I.

4:57

Vs is having an impact and it is

4:59

having a real electoral impact here. Now the

5:01

the other part of this and we're going

5:03

to look at this in the next segment

5:05

when we talk about a Charlie Kirk clip

5:07

on idea. the other aspect of this, it's

5:09

important to. Is.

5:11

That. Even. Republicans

5:13

have moderated on these issues

5:15

of reproductive rights, And

5:17

they've moderated another social issues as well,

5:19

including for example, gay marriage which by

5:21

the way, can you imagine still being

5:23

opposed to gay marriage? but there are

5:25

people who are still opposed to gay

5:27

marriage is wild. It's wacky, but it's

5:29

the United States, after all we have

5:31

seen. Abortion. Be.

5:35

As much on the side of

5:37

it should be legal in most

5:39

situations more than. Ever. Just

5:42

on the cusp of it being overturned.

5:45

And. The reason why Republicans kept

5:47

pushing his they were able to

5:49

raise money on. There were moneyed

5:51

interests that were interested in donating

5:53

and focusing around ban abortion. Even

5:56

if the public perspective on it has

5:58

shifted more and more. To elect it

6:01

happened on I V F Eighty ninety

6:03

percent support for Idea for Services. Ah,

6:05

it's shifted on gay marriage. As I've

6:07

said, it's shifted uneconomic and other issues

6:09

as well. But the differences. The

6:11

social issues remained for a while

6:13

and whether they still do with an

6:16

open question. Really good.

6:18

Fund. Tools for the right.

6:21

Even. As public opinion shifted against them, so

6:23

we're seeing the recent, we're seeing the proof

6:25

in the pudding. In the banana pudding. We're

6:28

seeing it. This is not going well for

6:30

Republicans and it you know you want to

6:32

talk about a bloodbath. We.

6:34

Could see and Alec Turrell bloodbath. See

6:36

how? it's obvious I'm not talking about

6:38

violence. We. Could See and

6:41

Alex Turrell Bloodbath in November. Or.

6:43

The likes of which may be we've never

6:45

seen. If. We all get

6:47

out and vote if turnout is up if

6:50

we do the right thing. So now let's

6:52

talk about the latest example of the Republican

6:54

panic over I vs. Charlie.

6:56

Kirk. May. Look.

6:58

Like. He doesn't know what's going on. But.

7:03

See can see. What's

7:05

going on with regard to reproductive rights?

7:08

He is the guy from

7:10

Turning Point usa. And. Organization.

7:13

Focused. On getting young people to

7:15

become right wing extremists. But.

7:18

He sees how the tide has

7:20

been turning on abortion and on

7:22

a bf. And after the House

7:24

District Ten defeat for Magda Tuesday

7:26

Night in Alabama. Partially.

7:29

On the on the heels of the Ivy F

7:31

Law. He. Is saying. We.

7:34

Shouldn't. Throw. Away

7:37

an election. Because.

7:39

Of something that is relatively.

7:42

Not. Controversial among the public, he says

7:44

it would be a shame. If

7:46

we didn't do well in November, Because.

7:48

We just can't get our act together

7:50

on this issue. Now, Republicans have a

7:53

long history of not getting their act

7:55

together on many issues, but the point

7:57

he's making is a good one which

7:59

is support. is almost unanimous

8:02

behind access and legality when it comes to

8:04

IVF. And yet, Republicans

8:06

are not working in a way

8:08

that is going to get them electoral victories. Listen

8:10

to the panic and then we'll discuss. And you

8:13

see here in the House

8:15

seat in Alabama, it can

8:17

swing a Republican district by

8:20

26 points. Yep. The issue really is

8:22

on the discarding of embryos. And I

8:25

think a pragmatic middle-of-the-road approaches don't

8:27

discard them, have them donated, or

8:30

have them stored for potential future use in

8:33

vitro fertilization, which essentially

8:35

takes the female egg, fertilizes

8:39

it, it sexed with Charlie

8:41

Cork, and then

8:43

re-implants the egg

8:46

during the ovulation period with the

8:48

attempt for the egg to attach

8:50

to the uterine wall. And

8:52

if it sticks, then the

8:55

continued fertilization

8:57

process is able

8:59

to hopefully get through gestation,

9:03

and the baby can develop and

9:05

be born after 40 weeks. But what a shame it would

9:07

be if

9:10

all of a sudden we have an underwhelming election

9:14

this November, because we

9:16

cannot get our act together on

9:19

an issue that

9:21

80 to 90 percent of the people are

9:23

of this country are in enthusiastic

9:26

support of IVF. Now,

9:29

there's a couple things here that are worthy of some

9:31

discussion. First of all, what

9:33

exactly is middle-of-the-road with IVF

9:36

when either you are arguing that

9:38

it's a person at conception or

9:41

you are not? Now, Charlie is

9:43

trying to get around that fundamental

9:45

issue and the problem it causes

9:48

for IVF clinics by

9:50

saying just don't discard embryos.

9:52

Either they have to be donated or

9:54

whatever the case may be as

9:57

if that solves the problem. But it's not really

9:59

middle of road and it doesn't really solve

10:01

the problem. If the law states

10:04

that embryos created

10:06

via IVF are

10:09

people because personhood

10:12

begins at conception, you

10:14

are going to scare the bejesus. Is it

10:17

still okay to say bejesus? I don't even

10:19

know what it means. You

10:22

are going to scare IVF

10:24

clinics. Even if they

10:27

take the approach or you say, well, we're

10:29

not going to discard, you are

10:31

still going to scare them about what is

10:33

our potential legal liability here. It completely changes

10:36

the scope of how all of these places

10:38

operate. And many of them might just say,

10:40

we're bailing out. We don't want anything to

10:42

do with this. Or the costs

10:45

will become in states that don't cover

10:47

where insurance doesn't cover IVF. There are

10:49

states where IVF is covered by medical

10:51

insurance by law and states where

10:54

it is not. In states where it is

10:56

not covered, it is going to prohibitively spike

10:58

the cost of this service. So

11:01

the idea that, hey, listen, let's not screw

11:03

it up. Let's just take a middle of the road

11:05

approach. Embryos are people, no

11:08

discarding of embryos, and they get

11:10

donated. And who pays for

11:12

the storage when they have been donated

11:15

and no longer belong, for lack of

11:17

a better term, to the

11:19

couple whose DNA it is. These

11:21

are all very real details

11:24

that make the just take a middle of the road

11:26

approach not make a whole lot of sense. Now, then

11:29

there's another aspect of this, which

11:31

is Charlie says, we got to

11:33

get our act together on this because

11:35

otherwise we may perform underwhelmingly, even

11:38

if they're able to, quote, get

11:40

their act together when it comes to IVF,

11:43

which in my view would mean you

11:45

have to say frozen fertilized IVF

11:47

embryos are not people. That's the only way to

11:49

really get your act together in a sane way.

11:51

But imagine they do it and they somehow get

11:53

their act together. Trump's going

11:56

around reminding everybody it's thanks

11:58

to him that Roe v. Wade was killed. And

12:00

people don't like that. This is

12:03

hurting Trump to the point where Trump

12:05

is now his head

12:07

is spinning around. What should

12:09

he say about abortion? Because he wants

12:11

credit for the three Supreme Court

12:13

justices that did the thing he promised they

12:15

would do. I mean, we we warned people

12:18

in 2016. This is how it would go. He'll

12:20

get Supreme Court justices on the court. It'll become

12:22

the most right wing court, arguably in history, certainly

12:24

in 100 years. And then

12:26

they're going to do away with abortion rights. It happened. So

12:29

they started taking credit. Then every time that this

12:31

was up on the ballot after Roe v. Wade

12:33

was repealed, Republicans lost. Trump

12:36

realizes, oh, maybe this is not so good of

12:38

an idea to be bragging. So

12:40

now it's are you going to support an abortion

12:42

ban federally or not? And are there exceptions? Are

12:44

there not? So the point here is even

12:47

if Charlie not out of

12:49

out of out of any ethical concern for

12:51

reproductive rights or women's autonomy or any of

12:53

it, just because he wants to win elections,

12:55

if Charlie Kirk is able to convince Republicans

12:57

to, quote, get their act together, Trump

13:00

will ruin it by continuing to

13:02

dissemble and equivocate on thanks to me. We

13:04

overturned Roe v. Wade, but there should be

13:06

exceptions. But I might do a federal abortion

13:08

ban or I might not. But thank me

13:10

for this and thank me for that. Even

13:12

if you hate all of it, just pick

13:14

the thing you like, which is basically Trump's

13:16

position. I'll take every position on every

13:19

issue. Pick the one you like. And that

13:21

agrees with you. Trump potentially

13:23

will spoil this. So listen, anything

13:25

can happen in November and

13:27

we have to be super cautious about

13:29

resting on our laurels in

13:33

any way that might disincentivize people from

13:36

voting. There

13:38

is the potential for the assault

13:40

on reproductive rights to really hurt

13:42

Republicans in November. That

13:44

would be correct. It would be

13:47

appropriate. It makes sense when elected

13:49

officials do stuff and

13:51

then suffer consequences based on public opinion

13:53

about the things they do. That's

13:56

the right way for politics to work.

13:59

We vote. reaction to what is done.

14:01

It often isn't the case because people are

14:04

bamboozled or lied to or they don't

14:06

know what our elected officials are doing or whatever

14:08

the case may be. The country

14:10

is mostly in favor of all

14:12

of these reproductive services being

14:14

available and being legal. Republicans

14:16

are increasingly continuing to be

14:18

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14:20

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14:23

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18:13

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18:15

and MSNBC after on air

18:17

blowback and behind the scenes

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blowback from NBC staffers, on

18:21

air talent producers and others.

18:23

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18:25

announced we're hiring Ronna McDaniel,

18:28

the former RNC chairwoman who

18:30

went along with Trump's claims that the

18:32

election was stolen from him, who started

18:34

to participate in that scheme

18:37

to generate a slate of fake

18:39

electors to try to steal the

18:41

election from Joe Biden. The

18:43

de facto insurrectionist Ronna McDaniel

18:45

was hired by MSNBC, NBC

18:48

and on air talent, including Chuck Todd,

18:52

Rachel Maddow, the morning Joe

18:54

crew and others said, this

18:56

is not good. She's not going

18:58

to be on our show or we are against

19:00

this or whatever the case may be. And ultimately,

19:03

as I reported to you yesterday, NBC made the

19:05

decision that she's fired that

19:07

they are going to part ways. Well,

19:09

the folks over at Fox News are

19:11

not happy. We'll look at a couple

19:14

of different clips, including Judge Jeanine, Jeanine

19:16

Pirro, saying that MSNBC hosts

19:19

should apologize, apologize

19:21

for what exactly? Well,

19:24

this you have to hear. Honestly, what I

19:26

think is those hosts should apologize

19:28

to their viewers and say, we're

19:30

sorry that we want to impose

19:32

one ideology on all of you

19:34

and anyone who differs from us

19:36

is a liar. Wait

19:38

a second. MSNBC should

19:41

apologize for wanting to

19:43

impose only one ideology on their

19:45

viewers. Fox News

19:47

is business model. Oh, but David,

19:50

they have Jessica Tarlov on the

19:52

five. Yes, it's a 24 hour

19:54

news network and they do

19:56

have Democratic strategist Jessica Tarlov on

19:59

the five. for one hour a

20:01

day, five days a week. Irony

20:04

is dead. And remember,

20:06

it's not about ideology. Voices

20:09

on MSNBC and NBC that believe

20:11

we need less government regulation appear

20:14

all the time. Voices

20:16

that believe we need less taxation or

20:19

that the U.S. should be the world's policemen

20:21

around the world or whatever. Those

20:23

voices are welcome. Ronna McDaniel

20:25

is not someone with whom we disagree

20:28

about the top tax rate. She played

20:30

a critical role in putting

20:32

together the fake electors slates to

20:35

try to defraud the

20:37

tens of millions of Americans who voted

20:39

for Joe Biden. Then

20:41

we go to Greg Gutfeld. Greg

20:43

Gutfeld says it's also

20:46

bad and they should be ashamed of

20:48

themselves for firing Ronna McDaniel. Didn't

20:51

contact McDaniel about the decision to axe

20:53

her. And she only found

20:55

out with the rest of the world

20:57

through media reports. Greg, what

20:59

is going on over there? This is why

21:01

people love mocking the media.

21:03

It's because of their blind spots. And

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all these people have this one

21:08

giant blind spot about themselves. They're

21:10

mean girls. That's all

21:13

they are. They're mean girls who failed

21:15

up. The joy and thrill over ejecting

21:17

an outsider. It's no different than a

21:19

group of cheerleaders, you know, targeting some

21:21

nerdy girl because she doesn't dress as

21:23

well as they do. Spiritually,

21:25

they're ugly and they did this because she

21:27

was different. It's a class thing, you know,

21:29

dressed up as a difference of opinion. But

21:32

it's a class thing. You could see it.

21:34

The children won. Understand

21:37

how absurd and pathetic these

21:39

analogies are. Mean girls. It's

21:41

about class. It's a what

21:44

is Greg Gutfeld talking about? And by the way,

21:46

I know Greg Gutfeld's a comedian. I

21:48

don't know if this is maybe this is a comedy skit

21:50

that I just don't understand or that fails

21:52

to be funny. I think about why McDaniel

21:56

was hired. The adults in

21:58

the room knew that this insurrection.

22:00

thing was a puffed up lie

22:02

and so they wanted opinion different

22:04

from the prevailing hysteria in their

22:06

newsrooms so they just basically wanted

22:08

a different perspective and the children through a

22:11

tantrum they thought they were being Jerry McGuire

22:13

but they're more like Jerry Springer it's like

22:15

Lord of the Flies meets daytime TV. Wow

22:19

these analogies and metaphors are really

22:21

falling flat. But I wouldn't be

22:23

that cocky if I were Chuck

22:25

or Joe or Mika or Joy

22:28

because look what happened to Don Lemon after

22:31

getting the boot from X he did

22:33

his own show and it flatlined no

22:36

one is watching him so what does that

22:38

tell you about him and other mediocrity like

22:40

Chuck and so on that they actually have

22:42

no natural audience you remove

22:44

the NBC platform and they're gone.

22:47

By the way if Gutfeld

22:49

was pulled off Fox News and

22:52

started a podcast would

22:54

anyone listen to that I don't know that this is

22:56

a great argument in defense of what he's doing you

22:59

tell me if I'm wrong. You know Rachel

23:01

has a career outside but the rest there

23:03

is replaceable as contestants on The Bachelor you

23:05

can't even remember their names because they just

23:08

serve a purpose and again it's another example

23:10

of how rather than competing with

23:12

any kind of I don't

23:14

know prevailing a different opinion

23:16

or a perspective whether it's in elections

23:18

or speech or so you get it

23:20

they are pretending like NBC just doesn't

23:23

want different opinions different opinions appear

23:25

on NBC all the time the

23:27

revolt was because this is a

23:29

borderline unindicted co-conspirator in an attempt

23:31

to defraud the country and install

23:33

a candidate who didn't win as

23:35

president of the United States these

23:37

are not mere differences of opinion

23:39

Howard Kurtz also saying why

23:42

not let Ronna up there and express

23:44

her occasional pro-Trump views that's all this

23:46

is and so I have to think

23:49

what whatever McDaniel's baggage what would

23:51

have been the great harm allowing

23:54

her to occasionally express pro-Trump views

23:56

why does MSNBC protecting its audience

23:58

from remember This is the network that

24:01

boasts about not taking many

24:03

Trump speeches on primary

24:05

nights, caucus nights, courthouse appearances, because,

24:07

you know, he's only going to

24:09

start lying. They don't get

24:11

it. They don't get it. This

24:14

is not about her views or her opinions. This is

24:16

not about dissent. This is

24:18

not about any of it. And

24:21

by the way, the people at Fox

24:23

acting as if Fox is filled with

24:26

Democrats with different opinions, it's like, you

24:28

know, Jessica Tarlov, occasionally Harold Harold Ford

24:30

Jr. is up there. But

24:33

it's not like they are putting these

24:35

voices up on anything approximating equal footing.

24:37

So they are in a glass house

24:39

and throwing stones. They don't

24:42

understand the difference between let's

24:44

have a disagreement about tax rates

24:46

versus I tried to install the guy

24:48

who lost his president undemocratically. And MSNBC

24:51

and NBC ultimately made this decision. It's

24:53

not a free speech issue. It's

24:55

not a First Amendment issue. It is,

24:57

by the way, something Fox News

25:00

usually is in favor of, which

25:02

is a business deciding what's

25:05

best for them. And they

25:07

decided Karl Rove is

25:09

sounding the alarm. Robert

25:11

F. Kennedy Jr. could cost

25:14

Joe Biden the election. We're

25:16

going to take a look at a

25:19

clip from yesterday wherein a Democrat, a

25:21

Republican strategist and a

25:23

former adviser to George W. Bush, Karl Rove

25:26

explains the math of

25:28

how Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s candidacy

25:31

now, I guess, bolstered,

25:33

although I'm not sure, bolstered by

25:35

Nicole Shanahan and as his vice

25:38

presidential running mate who effectively bought

25:40

her vice president slot,

25:43

donated like four million to a pack.

25:45

Next thing you know, she's his VP

25:47

running mate. Karl Rove explains this

25:50

could be very, very bad

25:53

for Joe Biden. Let's listen to

25:55

what Rove has to say and

25:57

then we will discuss the changing. perspectives

26:01

on who is most hurt by

26:03

RFK Jr. Third parties, they're

26:05

like cockroaches in the kitchen. Okay, it's not what they carry

26:07

off that upsets you. It's what they fall into and foul

26:09

up. Okay, Bobby Kennedy could fall

26:12

into every swing state and foul it up

26:14

for Joe Biden. This is one of

26:16

the biggest threats to

26:18

Joe Biden being reelected. I

26:20

do worry that Bobby, just

26:22

taking some percentage of votes

26:24

from Biden could shift the

26:27

election and lead to Trump's

26:29

election. Well, it

26:31

sounds like a red alert. Now that

26:33

RFK Jr. has named a running mate,

26:35

choosing entrepreneur Nicole Shanahan as his VP

26:38

pick, Democrats are ramping up efforts to

26:40

try to knock him out of the

26:42

race for the White House and they're

26:44

raising concern again and again. Let's bring

26:47

in Carl Rove, former White House Deputy

26:49

Chief of Staff, Fox News contributor. Carl,

26:51

good afternoon. First of

26:53

all, are they right to worry as much

26:55

as they do? And what do you think

26:58

of Nicole Shanahan as RFK Jr.'s pick? Yeah,

27:01

well, they should worry. In

27:03

2016, third party candidates got

27:05

5.8% of the vote. That's

27:07

one out of every 17 voters cast

27:10

a ballot for third party candidates.

27:12

And in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania,

27:14

the Green Party candidate got more

27:16

votes than Hillary Clinton lost those

27:18

states by. In 2020, 1.9%, one out of

27:21

every 50 voters voted

27:24

for a third party candidate. And

27:27

in Arizona, Georgia and Wisconsin, the

27:29

libertarian candidate got more votes than

27:31

Donald Trump lost those states by. So even if they

27:33

get a very small fraction of

27:36

the vote, if it's in the

27:38

right places, it can cause enormous harm.

27:41

Carl, right now, I mean, he's got a lot

27:43

of potential and he swings dates, but he's only

27:45

on the ballot in

27:48

Utah. Is anybody pushing back on

27:50

the other side of this? Anyone who doesn't work

27:52

for the Biden campaign saying some

27:54

of this fear mongering is overblown? Well,

27:59

he is behind the eight. But look, a number

28:01

of states, 20 some odd states require you

28:03

to have a running mate before you can

28:05

get on the ballot. So you know,

28:08

whatever those voices are welcome. Ronna

28:11

McDaniel is not someone with whom we

28:13

disagree about the top tax rate. She

28:15

played a critical role in

28:17

putting together the fake electors slates

28:20

to try to defraud the

28:22

tens of millions of Americans who voted

28:25

for Joe Biden. Then

28:27

we go to Greg Gutfeld. Greg

28:29

Gutfeld says it's also

28:31

bad and they should be ashamed of

28:34

themselves for firing Ronna McDaniel. Didn't

28:36

contact McDaniel about the decision to

28:38

ax her. And she only

28:40

found out with the rest of the

28:42

world through media reports. Greg, what

28:45

is going on over there? This is why

28:47

people love mocking the media.

28:49

It's because of their blind spots. And

28:52

all these people have this one

28:54

giant blind spot about themselves. They're

28:56

mean girls. That's all

28:58

they are. They're mean girls who failed

29:00

up the joy and thrill over ejecting

29:02

an outsider. It's no different than a

29:04

group of cheerleaders, you know, targeting some

29:07

nerdy girl because she doesn't dress as

29:09

well as they do. Spiritually, they're

29:11

ugly and they did this because she was

29:13

different. It's a class thing, you know, dressed

29:15

up as a difference of opinion. But it's

29:18

a class thing. You can see it. The

29:20

children won. And

29:22

how absurd and pathetic these

29:25

analogies are. Mean girls. It's

29:27

about class. What

29:30

is Greg Gutfeld talking about? And by the way, I

29:32

know Greg Gutfeld is a comedian. I

29:34

don't know if this is maybe this is a comedy skit

29:36

that I just don't understand or that fails

29:38

to be funny. I think about why McDaniel

29:41

was hired. The adults in

29:44

the room knew that this insurrection

29:46

thing was a puffed up lie.

29:48

And so they wanted opinion different

29:50

from the prevailing hysteria in their

29:52

newsrooms. So they just basically wanted

29:54

a different perspective in the children through a

29:56

tantrum. They thought they were being Jerry Maguire,

29:58

but they're more like. Jerry Springer. It's

30:00

like Lord of the Flies meets daytime

30:03

TV. Wow. These

30:05

analogies and metaphors are really falling

30:07

flat. But I wouldn't be that

30:09

cocky if I were Chuck or

30:11

Joe or Mika or Joy,

30:14

because look what happened to Don Lemon after

30:17

getting the boot from X. He

30:19

did his own show and it flatlined. No

30:21

one is watching him. So what does that

30:24

tell you about him and other mediocrities like

30:26

Chuck and so on, that they actually have

30:28

no natural audience. You remove the

30:30

NBC platform and they're gone.

30:32

By the way, if

30:35

Gutfeld was pulled off Fox News

30:37

and started a podcast, would

30:40

anyone listen to that? I don't know that this

30:42

is a great argument in defense of what he's

30:44

doing. You tell me if

30:46

I'm wrong. You know, Rachel has a career

30:48

outside, but the rest, they're as replaceable as

30:50

contestants on The Bachelor. You can't even remember

30:52

their names, because they just serve a purpose.

30:55

And again, it's another example of how rather

30:57

than competing with any kind of, I don't

31:00

know, prevailing a different opinion

31:02

or perspective, whether it's in elections or

31:04

speech or. All right. So you get

31:06

it. They are pretending like NBC just

31:08

doesn't want different opinions. Different opinions

31:10

appear on NBC all the time.

31:12

The revolt was because this is

31:14

a borderline unindicted co-conspirator in an

31:16

attempt to defraud the country and

31:19

install a candidate who didn't win

31:21

as president of the United States.

31:23

These are not mere differences of

31:25

opinion. Howard Kurtz also saying, why

31:27

not let Ronna up there and express her

31:30

occasional pro Trump views? That's all this is.

31:32

And so I have to think

31:35

what whatever McDaniel's bag is, what

31:37

would have been the great harm

31:39

allowing her to occasionally express pro

31:41

Trump views? Why does MSNBC protecting

31:43

its audience from remember this is

31:45

the network that boasts about not

31:48

taking many Trump speeches on primary

31:51

nights, caucus nights, courthouse appearances? Because,

31:53

you know, he's only going to

31:55

start lying. They don't get it.

31:58

They don't get it. This is not. about her views

32:00

or her opinions. This is not about dissent. This

32:03

is not about any of it. And

32:06

by the way, the people at

32:08

Fox acting as if Fox is filled with

32:11

Democrats with different opinions. It's like,

32:13

you know, Jessica Tarlov, occasionally Harold

32:16

Ford Jr. is up there, but

32:18

it's not like they are putting

32:20

these voices up on anything approximating

32:22

equal footing. So they are in

32:24

a glass house and throwing stones.

32:27

They don't understand the difference between

32:29

let's have a disagreement about tax

32:31

rates versus I tried to install the

32:34

guy who lost his president undemocratically. And

32:36

MSNBC and NBC ultimately made this

32:38

decision. It's not a free speech

32:40

issue. It's not a First Amendment

32:42

issue. It is, by the way, something

32:45

Fox News usually is in favor

32:47

of, which is a

32:49

business deciding what's best

32:51

for them. And they decided. Karl

32:54

Rove is sounding the alarm.

32:57

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. could

32:59

cost Joe Biden the election.

33:02

We're going to take a look

33:04

at a clip from yesterday wherein

33:06

Democrat Republican strategist and

33:08

former adviser to George W. Bush, Karl

33:11

Rove explains the

33:13

math of how Robert

33:15

F. Kennedy Jr.'s candidacy now,

33:17

I guess, bolstered,

33:19

although I'm not sure, bolstered by

33:21

Nicole Shanahan and as his vice

33:23

presidential running mate who effectively bought

33:25

her vice president a

33:27

slot, donated like four million to

33:30

a pack. Next thing

33:32

you know, she's his VP running mate.

33:34

Karl Rove explains this could

33:36

be very, very bad for

33:39

Joe Biden. Let's listen to what Rove has

33:41

to say. And then

33:43

we will discuss the changing perspectives

33:47

on who is most hurt by RFK

33:49

Jr. parties. They're

33:51

like cockroaches in the kitchen. Okay. It's

33:53

not what they carry off that upset you. It's what they fall

33:55

into and foul up. Okay. Bobby Kennedy could

33:57

fall into every swing state and foul it up. for

34:00

Joe Biden. This is one of

34:02

the biggest threats to Joe

34:04

Biden being reelected. I do

34:06

worry that Bobby, just taking

34:08

some percentage of votes from

34:11

Biden, could shift the election

34:13

and lead to Trump's election. Well,

34:16

it sounds like a red alert. Now

34:19

that RFK Jr. has named a running

34:21

mate, choosing entrepreneur Nicole Shanahan as his

34:23

VP pick, Democrats are ramping up efforts

34:25

to try to knock him out of

34:28

the race for the White House and

34:30

they're raising concern again and again. Let's

34:32

bring in Carl Rove, former White House

34:34

deputy chief of staff, Fox News contributor.

34:36

Carl, good afternoon. First

34:39

of all, are they right to worry as

34:41

much as they do? And what do you

34:43

think of Nicole Shanahan as RFK Jr.'s pick?

34:46

Yeah, well, they should worry. In

34:49

2016, third party candidates got

34:51

5.8% of the vote. That's

34:53

one out of every 17 voters cast

34:55

a ballot for third party candidates.

34:58

And in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania,

35:00

the Green Party candidate got more

35:02

votes than Hillary Clinton lost those

35:04

states by. In 2020, 1.9%, one

35:06

out of every 50 voters voted for a third party candidate.

35:12

And in Arizona, Georgia and

35:14

Wisconsin, the Libertarian candidate got

35:16

more votes than Donald Trump lost those states

35:18

by. So even if they get a very

35:21

small fraction of the vote, if

35:23

it's in the right places, it can

35:25

cause enormous harm. Carl,

35:27

right now, I mean, he's got a lot of

35:29

potential in key swing states, but he's only on

35:32

the ballot in Utah. Is

35:35

anybody pushing back on the other side of this, anyone

35:37

who doesn't work for the Biden campaign and saying some

35:40

of this fear mongering is overblown? Well,

35:44

he is behind the eight ball. But look,

35:47

a number of states, 20 some odd states

35:49

require you to have a running mate before

35:51

you can get on the ballot. So you

35:54

either could get on the ballot

35:56

last year without a party before you

35:58

nominated a candidate. But now that he's

36:00

an independent candidate, he has to have a running mate to

36:02

get on in a number of states. So we don't know

36:04

how many he's going to end up getting. But

36:07

in 2016, a dissident Republican

36:09

got on the ballot in 20 some

36:11

odd states and received votes in

36:14

37 states, even though he didn't even become

36:16

a candidate. All right. So I think you

36:18

get the point. There are some

36:20

states there in which if you

36:22

didn't see the map, they were marking states

36:24

where RFK is not yet on the ballot,

36:26

but has the signatures to get on. Arizona

36:29

was there. Georgia was there.

36:31

Michigan was there. These are critical states

36:33

for Joe Biden, without a doubt. So

36:35

you might be saying, wait a second, David.

36:37

At one point, everybody was saying RFK

36:40

hurts Trump. At another point,

36:42

it was RFK hurts Joe Biden. Then it

36:44

was Trump. Now it's Biden. Who exactly does

36:47

RFK hurt? Well, the answer is it

36:49

depends on which state you're talking about. It depends

36:51

whether he's officially on the ballot or only a

36:53

write in. And it depends also on what the

36:55

poll you look at is. We

37:00

should assume for our purposes

37:03

that RFK clearly

37:05

and cleanly hurts Joe Biden in

37:07

our assessment of, oh, you know

37:09

what? I live in a state that's

37:12

not usually down to the last one percent.

37:14

It's usually, you know, the Democrat wins by

37:16

five or six. We should

37:18

not assume that that is a safe

37:21

state. We should assume every state might

37:23

come down to our vote. Now,

37:25

I know that in a literal sense, that's not the case, but

37:28

that's the way we should be playing this because

37:30

the data are unclear. But Karl

37:32

Rove is not wrong. It's

37:35

certainly plausible, plausible that RFK

37:37

is very bad for Joe Biden and

37:39

may actually help Donald Trump get himself

37:41

reelected. Now, in terms of polling, it's

37:44

really all over the map. There's a

37:46

brand new you gov poll, which

37:48

has that Biden and Trump basically

37:51

tied with Kennedy

37:53

at three, Jill

37:55

Stein at one and Cornel

37:57

West at zero. Certainly,

38:00

that's one where at least mathematically,

38:02

even though Kennedy doesn't get much,

38:05

he has the potential to foul it all

38:07

up. You look at a Beacon

38:09

Research poll, which is done for Fox News.

38:11

You see Trump winning by five with

38:13

Kennedy, 12, certainly a

38:16

state in which Kennedy's presence sorry,

38:18

certainly a poll in which Kennedy's

38:21

presence may foul up the entire thing.

38:23

You look at Quinnipiac University. Quinnipiac

38:25

has it essentially tied. Party

38:28

13, Stein 4, West 3. Now

38:31

here's the really important thing. When

38:33

people are polled, they

38:36

aren't responding relative

38:38

to the presence on the ballot of these

38:41

folks. There are some people saying, I support

38:43

Kennedy, and then they're going to get to

38:45

the ballot to the polling place on November

38:48

5th. And then they won't

38:50

see Kennedy there, and then they'll pick from

38:52

Trump or Biden. So that is a factor

38:54

in many states. We can slice and dice

38:56

this however you want. The

38:58

safest thing is to assume

39:01

Kennedy's bad for Biden, and

39:03

we need to make sure everyone knows you've

39:06

got to get out and vote. Donald

39:08

Trump immediately violating the

39:11

gag order again, attacking

39:14

the daughter of Judge Juan

39:16

Marcan. Is he going

39:19

to pay some kind of price for this? Less

39:21

than 24 hours

39:23

after the gag order was put

39:26

in place on him for attacking his

39:28

daughter to begin with, Trump

39:30

once again taking to truth

39:32

social and laying out

39:35

the following tirade quote,

39:38

Judge Juan Marcan, who

39:40

is suffering from an acute case

39:42

of Trump, Trump derangement syndrome, whose

39:45

daughter represents crooked Joe Biden,

39:47

Kamala Harris, Adam Shifty Schiff,

39:50

and other radical liberals has just

39:53

posted a picture of me behind

39:55

bars her obvious goal and

39:57

makes it completely impossible for me to get a.

40:00

trial has now issued another

40:02

illegal, un-American, unconstitutional order as

40:04

he continues to try and

40:07

take away my rights. This

40:10

judge, by issuing a vicious gag

40:12

order, is wrongfully attempting to

40:14

deprive me of my First Amendment right to

40:16

speak out against the weaponization

40:18

of law enforcement, including the fact that

40:20

crooked Joe Biden, Merrick Garland, and their

40:22

hacks and thugs are tracking and following

40:25

me all across the country, obsessively

40:27

trying to persecute me while everyone knows

40:29

I have done nothing wrong. First

40:32

of all, a reminder, gag

40:34

orders are not unconstitutional. Gag

40:37

orders have been determined many

40:39

times to be completely

40:42

constitutional and there to preserve

40:44

the rights of witnesses,

40:47

members of the jury, the right to

40:50

a fair trial, et cetera. First

40:52

importantly, the two-tier justice

40:55

system. If anyone not like

40:57

Trump did what he's doing, attacking

41:00

a judge's daughter, gag order

41:02

is placed, attacking her again.

41:04

If any of us did this, we would be

41:07

in huge trouble, possibly in jail pending trial. Imagine

41:09

reading a headline about

41:12

any other presidential candidate, by the

41:14

way, attacking the judge's daughter in

41:16

his porn star hush money trial, and

41:19

then you find out he's selling Bibles for $60. It

41:23

would rightfully be a complete and total humiliation.

41:25

That candidate would be abandoned. And

41:27

yet despite all of that being true about Trump, he

41:31

is still potentially going

41:33

to become president of the United States. So he

41:35

should be sanctioned. He should be punished,

41:38

not because I don't like the guy,

41:40

but because he's repeatedly violating gag orders.

41:43

And obviously he deserves to lose all of

41:45

his support. He's not losing it. And by

41:47

some measures, he may be gaining it. An

41:50

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44:36

Joe Biden appears to be setting up

44:38

a brilliant plan to completely ambush Donald

44:40

Trump. And I want to talk about

44:43

it with you. There's an interesting Daily

44:45

Beast article by Jake Lahoot called

44:47

the Biden campaign is

44:50

quietly preparing a Trump

44:52

ambush, adding

44:54

the ingredients for a Biden comeback

44:56

or falling into place at

44:58

a moment in the twenty twenty four campaign

45:00

when Trump is mired in legal and financial

45:02

problems. Let me give you the elements of

45:05

this. The election season

45:07

started with Joe Biden and

45:10

historically low approval ratings in polling

45:12

and individual battleground states. I told

45:15

you some time ago Biden

45:17

was trailing Donald Trump. Biden

45:19

was trailing Donald Trump in national polling

45:21

as well. And you had some on

45:24

the left openly saying Biden's got to

45:26

be replaced. This guy is going to

45:28

lose. There's no way he can win

45:30

his age, his campaign's viability, his ability

45:32

to make the case that he's had

45:34

successes. It's all terrible. But

45:37

things have slowly started to change. We

45:39

are seeing improvements in those battleground

45:42

state polls. We are

45:44

seeing Biden's approval rating go

45:46

up. All signals that Biden may

45:48

be surging, surging, that is.

45:51

He had a very solid state of

45:53

the union address, which changed

45:55

the minds of many Americans from thinking

45:57

the country was going in the wrong

45:59

direction. after seeing the speech to thinking the

46:01

country is now going in the right direction. And

46:03

since the State of the Union address, and I

46:06

saw inklings of this in my off

46:08

the record meeting with V.P. Kamala Harris in D.C.

46:10

on the day of the State of the Union

46:12

address, Biden and Harris and

46:14

the campaign are adopting

46:16

a more combative approach. They're

46:19

going directly after Trump. They're going directly

46:21

after the losses caused by MAGA, like,

46:23

for example, the loss in the Alabama

46:26

House race that we talked

46:28

about from Tuesday. And so

46:30

the Biden campaign now is seeing

46:32

this really translate into

46:35

results not only in polling, but

46:37

in these insane fundraising numbers. I

46:40

believe campaign finance is broken. I

46:42

want public financing of election with

46:44

limited election periods. We don't have

46:46

that. And we can still use

46:48

donations as a proxy to voter

46:50

enthusiasm. And Joe Biden raised $53

46:52

million in February. He

46:55

has roughly a hundred million to one

46:57

hundred and twenty million dollar advantage in

47:00

cash on hand over Donald Trump. These

47:03

are cuckoo numbers. And

47:05

so this gets us now to the strategy

47:07

for what may be a forthcoming ambush.

47:10

The Biden campaign is going to

47:12

start leveraging its financial lead to

47:15

focus on travel, organizing,

47:18

hitting battleground states and media

47:20

blitzes in those states. The

47:23

early voter mobilization aspect

47:26

of the campaign with Biden visiting

47:28

the major battleground states is going

47:30

to go directly at we know

47:32

exactly where we need to win

47:35

in order to remember Biden doesn't have to do

47:37

better than 2020. He

47:39

won 2020 with a significant electoral vote margin.

47:42

He just has to do that well. And

47:44

on the other side, you see what Trump's up to

47:47

the Trump campaign. Not very active.

47:50

Trump staying at Mar-a-Lago. Getting

47:52

trophies handed out by his own

47:54

golf clubs for golfing, going

47:57

from courthouse to courthouse and his first

47:59

trial is set to start in just a couple

48:01

of weeks. The Trump campaign

48:03

is downplaying the need to

48:06

do the sort of organizing that

48:08

Joe Biden is starting to do. But

48:11

they're going to have to do something

48:13

here because Biden's polling is improving. His

48:15

fundraising is off the charts, and it

48:17

really shows the Trump vulnerabilities that are

48:19

going on here. So a couple other

48:21

things we do not

48:24

yet know the degree to which

48:26

Trump is going to be hampered in his

48:28

ability to campaign once the trials start with

48:31

the trial starting April 15th. Trump

48:34

has to be in court from what I

48:36

most recently read, unless something changes. Trump

48:38

has to be in court four weeks. I guess

48:41

they have Wednesday off Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, morning

48:44

to afternoon, like a roughly nine to five day.

48:46

Trump has to be in court and

48:49

he's supposed to be campaigning during this time.

48:51

So there is a really good trajectory here

48:54

for Joe Biden to launch this ambush on

48:56

Trump, and it may get very ugly for

48:58

Trump. But at the same time, just because

49:00

I'm reporting this to you, we have to

49:02

remember that complacency got us to where we

49:04

are today. Complacency about

49:06

I don't know that Hillary is really

49:08

better than Trump. I might stay home. I

49:11

might dabble in writing someone in.

49:13

Well, that got us Trump, three

49:16

Supreme Court picks, and subsequently the

49:18

overturning of Roe v. Wade, gutting

49:20

of voting rights and so many

49:23

other disasters. So the complacency is

49:25

not the takeaway. None of

49:27

this is an invitation to stay home unless you

49:29

vote by mail, in which case feel free to

49:32

fill out your ballot from home and mail it

49:34

in. The bottom line is super simple. The

49:37

visions presented by four more years

49:39

of Biden or another four years

49:41

of Trump couldn't be more different.

49:43

Biden's been a fine president. Many

49:45

things have gone well. The

49:47

country is obviously so much better off than it

49:49

was when Trump left. On the other

49:51

hand, the alternative is Trump.

49:54

One of the ugliest, not physically, but

49:56

rhetorically and in terms of what he

49:58

represents, one of The luggliest candidates

50:01

we've ever seen left the

50:03

country as a

50:05

laughingstock. And we need

50:07

to make sure that this is the

50:09

message that's getting out. The competing visions

50:11

couldn't be more different. And

50:14

let's hope that in addition to a Biden reelection,

50:16

we get some consequences for the people who did

50:18

those horrible things when Trump was president, one

50:20

of whom I want to talk about next. Donald

50:23

Trump's former lawyer, John Eastman, is

50:25

finally getting what he deserves. He

50:28

has been disbarred. This is great

50:30

news. It's great news, not because I

50:32

personally have a problem with the guy. Maybe he's a

50:34

nice guy. Maybe he's a good father. I don't know

50:36

if he has kids, whatever. But

50:38

this was an architect of one of

50:40

the most sinister attempts to subvert democracy

50:42

in American history. Political

50:45

reporting. John Eastman, architect of

50:47

Trump's 2020 election plot, should

50:49

be disbarred. A judge has ruled. Judge

50:52

Yvette Roland wrote, the most

50:55

severe, available professional sanction is warranted

50:57

to protect the public. Remember, this

50:59

is the guy who wrote the

51:02

memos. Here's how maybe Mike

51:04

Pence can try to overturn the election. Here

51:07

is how maybe the slates of fake electors

51:09

can overturn the election. And we

51:11

now have the declaration. Here

51:14

is the paperwork and it is signed

51:16

by Yvette Roland. And

51:18

it indeed says, John

51:21

Charles Eastman is ordered,

51:23

transferred to involuntary, inactive

51:26

status, pursuant to

51:29

the Business and Professions Code Section 6007, subdivision

51:32

C4. His

51:34

inactive enrollment will be active three calendar

51:36

days after this order is served and

51:39

will terminate upon the effective date. He

51:41

has been barred by he has been

51:43

disbarred by the State Bar Association. This

51:46

is what he deserves. This is the right

51:48

thing. And I want

51:50

to remind you of this classic moment involving

51:52

John Eastman, a Trump White

51:54

House attorney, Eric Hirschman, during his

51:57

deposition, author of the Trump memo.

52:00

said that at a certain point it

52:02

became clear people are going to need

52:04

lawyers, people are going to need lawyers,

52:07

and it was time to stop attempting

52:09

to overturn the election. I love this

52:12

moment. Eastman, I don't remember why he

52:14

called me. He texted

52:16

me or called me, wanted to

52:18

talk with me, and he said he couldn't reach

52:20

others. And

52:23

he started to ask me about something

52:27

dealing with Georgia and preserving something

52:29

potentially for appeal. And

52:36

I said to him, are

52:38

you out of your effing mind? Right.

52:42

I said, I

52:44

only want to hear two words coming out of your

52:46

mouth for now on. Orderly

52:48

transition. I

52:51

don't want to hear any other effing words coming

52:54

out of your mouth no matter what. Other than

52:56

orderly transition, repeat those words to me. And I

52:59

should have known that. Eventually he

53:02

said orderly transition. I said,

53:04

good, John. Now I'm going to give

53:06

you the best free legal advice you're ever getting

53:08

in your life. Get

53:10

a great effing criminal defense lawyer. You're going to

53:12

need it. One of

53:14

my favorite moments from the entire January

53:16

6th hearing, this moment where Eric Hirschman

53:18

realized this was a White House attorney.

53:20

Okay. This is a guy who wanted

53:22

Trump to win, presumably. He

53:25

knew that what Eastman and others

53:27

were doing was

53:29

criminally problematic. And

53:31

at a certain point, Hirschman realized this

53:33

is over. This is over. All

53:35

we need to be talking about is orderly

53:38

transition. We lost.

53:41

We will be vacating the White House. It's

53:44

time to go. It's time to leave and

53:47

get yourself a criminal defense attorney. Hirschman

53:49

knew and Eastman now

53:51

in bundles of problems and

53:54

this bard, which is a beautiful thing

53:56

to see because it's what's

53:58

appropriate given what he did. tried to

54:00

do. Eastman and Ronna McDaniel,

54:03

in a sense, are similar characters, individuals

54:05

who did everything they could with

54:08

the resources and connections they had to

54:11

try to install a guy who lost

54:13

in the Oval Office. It's not

54:15

democracy. Eastman deserves all of

54:18

it. And maybe there will even

54:20

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55:53

but I am going to play a second

55:55

Charlie Kurt clip on today's show, and it's

55:57

because I want to talk about maybe the

55:59

worst. analogy I've ever heard

56:02

for being against

56:05

trans people, just being who they are.

56:07

And we're going to

56:10

look at this moment where Charlie

56:12

Kirk, of course, from Turning Point USA does

56:14

these events where he'll take questions from the

56:16

crowd. It's often college students. They'll often make

56:19

an attempt to confront him. And sometimes it

56:21

goes well. Sometimes it goes not so well.

56:24

And here, the topic of

56:26

acceptance of LGBTQ

56:28

people, quite frankly, is what is

56:31

brought up. Charlie Kirk

56:33

makes an analogy that talking about

56:35

your gender identity is the same

56:37

as saying, oh, I'm 20 years

56:39

old. Well, I identify as a

56:42

40 year old. Many

56:44

of you probably already realize this is a very

56:46

dumb analogy, but let's listen to it and then

56:48

we'll talk about it. I was told to keep

56:50

it short, so I will. So

56:53

you touched on LGBTQ rights a lot.

56:55

You've talked about trans

56:57

victims. You gang them from Twitter. Very

56:59

awful. But I'm wondering if

57:01

I can get a straight answer, yes or no.

57:03

Do you think the acceptance of queer people in

57:05

society is a good thing? Well, define

57:07

acceptance and define queer. Because when I grew up, that

57:09

was like a slander. So I don't

57:12

know. That's like a thing now. Queer

57:14

being lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender. And

57:17

what do you mean? What do you mean? Acceptance

57:20

being that society accepts that and

57:22

doesn't try to change that, doesn't

57:25

try to say

57:27

that it's not a good

57:29

thing for you to be gay, it's a good thing for you to be trans. And

57:34

in our institutions also, just

57:36

offering them resources to just

57:38

come to terms with their sexuality, not

57:40

feel bad about it. Basically, by

57:43

acceptance, I generally mean society shouldn't make people feel bad

57:45

about who they are. So here's the

57:47

critical part. I mean, we should feel bad

57:49

about all sorts of things. So I mean,

57:51

yeah, happy to get the mic back up. But I mean,

57:53

I'll just ask you a very simple question. And this will tell what is

57:55

a woman? A woman is someone who's

57:58

identified as a woman. So,

58:01

do you think a definition of

58:03

someone able to become pregnant would be

58:06

a woman? I'm

58:08

sorry, can you repeat the question? So, if someone can become pregnant,

58:10

would that person be defined as a woman? Depends

58:12

enough to identify as a woman. Right. So, okay. We're

58:14

now getting to the root of the issue. So, do

58:17

you believe that truth is objective or

58:19

subjective? Do you believe in absolute truth? Sure.

58:22

Okay. So, if you believe in absolute truth,

58:24

shouldn't we have absolute terms of what an

58:26

infant-bearing or infant-birthing person is, otherwise

58:28

known as a woman? No.

58:32

Okay. So, let me ask you this a

58:34

different way, I suppose. So, if anyone can

58:36

identify anything at any time, correct? Anyone

58:40

can identify. As a woman or a man, you could just choose at any

58:42

time, right? Gender. Well,

58:44

gender identity isn't switching genders all the time.

58:46

It just depends, like... But

58:49

that's your position, right, that's what I'm trying to say?

58:51

That you could change your gender? My position is that

58:53

you should accept people's gender identity, and you should try

58:55

to change the mindset. So, let me ask you, should

58:57

we accept people that think they're younger than they actually

59:00

are? Because

59:04

that is... that's a mental condition

59:06

where people say, I identify as

59:08

an eight-year-old, but they're really fifty.

59:11

Should we accept someone

59:13

be able to say they're younger? No, but

59:15

I think that's a very false equivalent. Why is

59:17

it a false equivalent? Because there are scientific

59:19

reasons supporting that gender identity is something that

59:22

is, you know... There

59:26

are scientific reasons that support people and say that

59:28

if you identify as a certain gender, then that

59:30

is, like, your gender. There's

59:32

a paper on Scientific American Life on Brain Shifting

59:34

that said, like, you know... All right, so

59:37

this kid is not the most prepared,

59:40

but he's actually on to the right

59:42

thing here. Charlie Kirk mentions, what

59:45

about a mental condition where

59:47

you identify as a different age than

59:49

you are? Well, there is no such

59:51

accepted condition, right? We have

59:53

this thing called gender dysphoria. Now,

59:55

I'm going to put out a couple disclaimers

59:58

here, because I'm going to defend this. kid

1:00:00

and tell you why all the things Charlie Kirk

1:00:02

is saying don't make any sense. I'm

1:00:04

the first to tell you I don't

1:00:07

think I fully

1:00:09

understand every aspect of

1:00:12

gender dysphoria and

1:00:14

what trans folks go through or whatever. I'm

1:00:17

open to the possibility

1:00:19

that for some folks

1:00:22

who identify as trans,

1:00:24

it is becoming a

1:00:27

catchall for some other

1:00:29

unresolved strife. Like for

1:00:32

example, I know of

1:00:34

people who something was

1:00:36

not right in their life. And

1:00:39

what they focused on was its diet. And they

1:00:41

went through I only fruits

1:00:43

and nuts to I eat only

1:00:45

meat and eggs to and

1:00:47

the problem was never actually that it

1:00:50

was unresolved stuff from childhood, etc.

1:00:52

If you want to come to me and say,

1:00:54

David, some of these people who say they're trans,

1:00:56

it's actually just the expression

1:00:58

of other. I'm

1:01:01

open to that being a possibility, but that's not

1:01:03

actually what we're debating here. OK,

1:01:06

the analogy to age. I'm

1:01:08

50, but I identify as 20. Age

1:01:11

is a measure. And remember, Charlie wants

1:01:14

to talk about what's objectively true. Age

1:01:17

is a measure of the time someone

1:01:19

has lived. It's tied to biological processes.

1:01:22

It's tied to chronological facts. You can't

1:01:24

alter them. It is universally

1:01:26

measurable, at least in this universe, as

1:01:29

far as we understand. And

1:01:31

there's no personal interpretation. You

1:01:34

can argue it's like biological sex.

1:01:36

And remember, trans folks don't deny that

1:01:39

trans women know that they are

1:01:41

trans women. OK, so

1:01:44

in a sense, if you're 50 and

1:01:47

you go to a doctor and they say, hey,

1:01:49

we should do a colonoscopy based on your age

1:01:51

and you say, no, no, no, no, no, I

1:01:53

identify as being 20. So I don't need a

1:01:55

colonoscopy yet. Something is wrong.

1:01:57

And if you insist on that, you might get

1:01:59

referred to. for mental health treatment

1:02:02

and rightly so. Similarly, if

1:02:04

you're a biological woman and you

1:02:06

go to a urola, I'm

1:02:08

sorry I don't know if I'm supposed to

1:02:10

say cisgender woman, I'm not trying

1:02:13

to offend anybody but people know what

1:02:15

I'm talking about. If you were born

1:02:17

as a woman biological female and you

1:02:19

go to a doctor and you say

1:02:21

my testicles hurt, something

1:02:23

is probably wrong and if you insist as

1:02:25

a biological woman without testicles that your testicles

1:02:27

hurt, at some point we might say maybe

1:02:30

we need some kind of mental health involvement

1:02:32

here. So this

1:02:35

is when we're talking about age

1:02:37

and sex. When you

1:02:39

want to talk about what's biologically true, gender

1:02:42

is expressed on a spectrum. We

1:02:44

know that whether you believe it

1:02:46

to be quote legitimate or not,

1:02:49

indicative of gender dysphoria or something else,

1:02:52

a topic for a biology versus a

1:02:54

sociology or a psychology class, hey

1:02:57

let's figure that out. But

1:02:59

objectively it is true

1:03:01

that people express gender on a spectrum. Now there's a

1:03:03

whole bunch of other reasons why the analogy to age

1:03:06

is no good. Legal age

1:03:08

restrictions on things in

1:03:10

society are

1:03:12

based on average developmental

1:03:14

stages when individuals are

1:03:16

capable of making certain decisions and

1:03:18

there's a purpose to those laws

1:03:20

to protect individuals in society. Gender

1:03:23

identity, I mean it can have legal

1:03:25

and social implications but it's about an

1:03:27

individual's understanding and expression of their own

1:03:30

identity. It's about how people perceive

1:03:32

themselves. It wouldn't read, if all of a sudden

1:03:34

we were to say oh you could be 40

1:03:36

but identify as 20 and therefore

1:03:38

what? It requires reevaluating

1:03:40

social contracts and all sorts of other

1:03:42

things and of course there's no scientific basis for

1:03:45

it where we do have at least some scientific

1:03:47

basis for individuals who have a

1:03:49

gender identity that doesn't match their biological

1:03:52

genitalia. So this is

1:03:54

such a terrible analogy but the

1:03:56

crowd full of Charlie Kirk-ites cheer

1:03:59

and laugh and clap that he's

1:04:01

making some great point. It's not a great point.

1:04:04

The analogy is terrible. And

1:04:06

if anything, we would say age is

1:04:08

like biological sex and gender

1:04:11

is a different thing altogether. A

1:04:14

disheveled and swollen Donald

1:04:16

Trump desperately is begging

1:04:18

for cash. He looks

1:04:20

stressed. His right eye

1:04:22

is all it's just a slit.

1:04:25

It's almost completely swollen shut. He

1:04:27

looks off and

1:04:29

Trump says, I need your money. I

1:04:32

need your cash, as he likes to say,

1:04:34

to fight the prosecutors. That's

1:04:36

the latest one. And but these

1:04:38

sorrows, fact, prosecutors and politicians,

1:04:41

Democrats, all that are after

1:04:43

us, we have to

1:04:45

go out. We have to fight

1:04:47

the communists, their fascists, their lunatics

1:04:49

and they just famous communist fascist

1:04:51

prosecutors. Stop. They don't know

1:04:53

how to give up and you got to hand it to

1:04:56

them for that. That's the only thing you got to give

1:04:58

them credit for. They're bad people.

1:05:00

They're against our country. They don't want our

1:05:02

country to make it. There's something wrong with

1:05:04

them. But we're fighting. We're winning.

1:05:07

You see what's going on. So whatever you can

1:05:09

do to help financially would be fantastic because we

1:05:11

have to beat it. If

1:05:13

it's five dollars or ten dollars or

1:05:15

a hundred dollars, whatever you can do.

1:05:18

And but these. So Trump is

1:05:20

begging for what Trump's begging people

1:05:23

who barely have money to make it

1:05:25

to next week to chip in,

1:05:28

to help him fight supposed

1:05:30

Marxist Soros backed

1:05:32

fascist prosecutors directed

1:05:35

by Joe Biden through no

1:05:37

fault of his own and completely unfairly.

1:05:40

That's where we are right now. Really

1:05:42

a man of the people going to people making

1:05:44

twenty nine thousand dollars a year and saying, can

1:05:46

you chip in five, ten or one hundred bucks

1:05:49

for me so I can pay my high priced

1:05:51

lawyers and complain about how I'm being treated unfairly

1:05:53

while flying around on my private plane and

1:05:56

winning golf tournaments at courses that

1:05:58

I own and. trophies that

1:06:00

I pay for. This is

1:06:02

where we are at this stage of the game.

1:06:06

And I am not advocating for

1:06:08

some kind of nanny state protections or whatever for

1:06:11

people who want to donate to this guy

1:06:13

and are being bamboozled by this guy. But

1:06:16

at a certain point, our

1:06:18

fools and their money eventually parted. In

1:06:21

other words, if after everything we've gone through since

1:06:23

2015, almost nine years of

1:06:25

this insanity. Wow, it's hard to

1:06:27

hard to believe it's been that long. Do

1:06:31

we care about the people that can't afford it

1:06:33

but are still donating to Trump? Or do we

1:06:35

say, listen, you deserve it at the end of

1:06:37

the day? How far does our empathy go? I

1:06:40

don't know the answer. You tell

1:06:43

me how much protection do

1:06:45

the disinformed Trump

1:06:47

cultists deserve when

1:06:49

it comes to sending him their money? I don't know.

1:06:52

Let me know what you think. I have a voicemail

1:06:54

number that you can call any time of day. That's

1:06:56

two one nine two David

1:06:59

P. That's two one nine two

1:07:01

three two eight four three seven. Here

1:07:04

is a voicemail from a caller who's really

1:07:06

confused and he's confused for a

1:07:08

good reason. These MAGA people

1:07:10

call me and they attack

1:07:12

me for things I've never

1:07:14

actually said. What? Hey,

1:07:17

David, Tommy, I'm a little behind on

1:07:19

your shows. You're

1:07:22

listening to this guy calling you David

1:07:24

Hackman and talking about you visiting

1:07:28

with Kamala Harris and

1:07:30

so on. Are

1:07:33

there like super duper secret

1:07:36

shows that you make that

1:07:39

no one else knows about? Yeah.

1:07:42

Only the MAGA people see the shows that I make

1:07:44

for them. Get all this weird stuff

1:07:47

and things that you just don't say.

1:07:51

Because it's really odd because I've been listening to you for

1:07:53

the last, oh gosh,

1:07:56

going on almost three years and I've never heard

1:07:58

you say any of these things. We

1:08:00

have somehow they think you

1:08:02

said these things. So maybe obviously

1:08:05

mess around, but that there's like a

1:08:08

super secret David Pakman show that we

1:08:10

don't know about. Listen, obviously,

1:08:12

this is the only show, but

1:08:15

the regularity with which people call me and

1:08:17

say, David, I can't believe you said this.

1:08:20

David, I can't believe you said that. And it's stuff I've

1:08:22

never said. You would almost think they

1:08:24

must be reacting to some other show. I

1:08:26

think it's two things. One, people call in

1:08:28

and react to what they may be wrongly

1:08:30

assume I said or people

1:08:32

get confused. Sometimes I get emails from

1:08:35

people reacting to something Brian Tyler Cohen said, for

1:08:37

example, and it wasn't me. It was him. But

1:08:40

for some reason, they email me. He sent me emails

1:08:42

of people writing to him about things I've said. It's

1:08:45

all a confused mishmash. So we're going to do

1:08:47

the best we can to disaggregate all of it.

1:08:50

And we'll continue doing it on the bonus show.

1:08:52

We are going to talk about the new litmus

1:08:54

test that the RNC is putting in place to

1:08:57

vet that new hires are MAGA,

1:08:59

full on hardcore MAGA. We

1:09:02

will talk about Visa and MasterCard

1:09:04

settling a long running antitrust suit

1:09:06

over swipe fees. And

1:09:08

we will talk about the death of

1:09:10

Daniel Kahneman at 90, an extraordinary thinker

1:09:12

whose books I've been recommending for a very

1:09:14

long time. He has passed away at 90.

1:09:16

I'll tell you a little bit about my

1:09:19

personal interactions with him. All of these

1:09:21

stories and more on the bonus

1:09:24

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1:09:26

Dotcom. Instant access. And

1:09:29

I'll be back tomorrow with a new show as well.