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the Norm with Stormy Daniels. As

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the world waits for the final judgment in

0:48

the Donald Trump and E. Jean Carroll sex abuse

0:50

case, I have to watch while E. Jean Carroll

0:52

is given the benefit of the doubt and

0:54

I am literally fighting for my home and my

0:56

future. In April,

0:59

the Ninth Circuit Court of

1:01

Appeals decided that Trump's lies

1:03

about me were hyperbole and

1:07

didn't count as defamation.

1:11

Despite the fact that the things that Trump said

1:13

about E. Jean Carroll were literally the exact same

1:15

things he said about me, I

1:18

have nothing against E. Jean Carroll. She

1:20

should get every fucking penny from that monster that

1:22

she possibly can because she deserves it. My

1:25

problem is that the justice system just

1:28

didn't treat us as equal. Is

1:31

it because Miss Carroll was a fancy writer for

1:33

New York Magazine and I'm a porn star? Does

1:36

the U.S. Constitution not apply to me because

1:38

I directed an anal rain dance? I

1:41

guess the answer is yes. This,

1:43

despite the fact that our current Supreme

1:45

Court is stacked with porn loving justices.

1:48

Good for them, though. Clarence Thomas

1:50

went on record during his confirmation

1:52

hearing that he enjoyed long dong

1:54

silver. I can't vouch

1:56

for its quality. 80s porn

1:58

was a whole different thing. folks, but

2:01

the hypocrisy here is

2:03

just outstanding. For

2:06

those who don't know the order of events,

2:08

here's what happened as it pertains to my

2:10

defamation suit. In 2011, someone

2:12

leaked some details and

2:14

information about my affair with Donald

2:17

Trump. Affair is a weird

2:19

term. In reality, it was a disgusting

2:21

nightmare, which never happened, and it's caused me

2:23

nothing but grief for close to 15 years.

2:26

Anyway, right before I was

2:28

going to tell the world what really happens, I

2:31

was approached in a parking lot and threatened to keep my

2:33

mouth shut. I was told, and

2:35

I quote, leave Trump alone. To

2:38

this day, I shake thinking about that moment.

2:40

These people threatened to hurt me and made

2:42

no bones about saying so in front of

2:44

my infant. And you

2:47

know what? People disappear every day in this country

2:49

and even more people are threatened. So

2:51

why not? Who the fuck was I? He

2:53

was Donald Trump, a billionaire. He

2:56

had people in his payroll to do all manner

2:58

of bidding. Fast

3:00

forward. In April of

3:02

2018, there was a sketch

3:04

released of the person who had confronted me. Trump

3:07

immediately responded by tweeting that the encounter

3:09

didn't happen. I didn't know him. The

3:11

whole story was a con job. So

3:14

my then attorney sued him for defamation.

3:17

Fuck that guy. Fuck both of

3:19

those guys. As we

3:22

all know, Michael Avenatti filed that defamation

3:24

suit without my permission and without my

3:26

knowledge. I actually found

3:28

out on Twitter. It was my

3:30

bodyguard who saw it first and came running up to me

3:32

and was like, have you seen this? Why

3:34

didn't you tell us about this? So

3:38

fuck that guy. Both of them. But

3:41

you know what? Looking back, it

3:44

was defamation. And he has continued

3:46

to defame me. It was the

3:48

final straw and a long list of bullshit actually.

3:50

But unfortunately, I wasn't

3:52

a good enough victim. It

3:54

seems in today's court of law, one must be of

3:57

suitable class to be protected by the law. This

3:59

is an old trope that has prevented countless

4:01

of women and sometimes men as well

4:04

from seeking justice and rape and assault

4:06

cases. It seems that because we

4:08

are who we are that we somehow deserve what happened

4:10

to us. Even I

4:12

believe that for a moment, but I'm here to

4:14

say that's bullshit and it fucking sucks. Because

4:17

in April, the court said that Trump was entitled

4:19

to say what he did. And I

4:21

had to pay legal fees. Initially,

4:23

it was like 300,000. Then it

4:25

got knocked down because I won some legal fees and went

4:28

back and forth. And I

4:30

really had faith that if I appealed that someone

4:32

would hear my side of the

4:34

story and my truth and

4:37

side with me that he was defaming me. He

4:39

continues to say that I'm a liar and

4:42

I made the whole thing up and he only met

4:44

me for 30 seconds at a golf tournament when this

4:46

is absolutely not true. Anyway, 129,300,600,000. For someone

4:52

like me, that is a ridiculous ruinous

5:00

amount of money. It could cost

5:03

someone everything. But here's what's worse.

5:05

Last week as the whole world was waiting to see

5:08

what further damages Trump would have to pay for being

5:10

a fucking scumbag. I get a letter

5:12

from his legal team demanding certain

5:14

information. But here's

5:16

where it gets crazy. In

5:19

that demand of information, they

5:23

want the names and address of my

5:25

daughter. No fucking

5:27

way. They are prepared to not

5:29

only come after me, but they want to harass

5:32

my daughter, her dad, and others. Despite

5:34

the fact that these people have nothing to do

5:37

with this whatsoever. What's going

5:39

to happen? I'm

5:41

not sure. But they

5:43

can drag my ass to prison before I throw

5:45

my daughter and family under the bus. You

5:48

see, this is how they keep people like me quiet.

5:52

He knows what I have and he knows what

5:54

it could cost me. He also knows that I'm

5:56

afraid for my family. Most

5:58

importantly, he knows that the entire world is

6:00

watching so the next time someone decides to

6:03

take on Donald Trump they may think twice

6:06

but I'm not gonna do a goddamn thing with that letter

6:08

except perhaps clean the horse shit off my boots because

6:11

I will not be serving up my daughter on

6:13

a silver platter to that monster

6:16

and I don't know if it matters who

6:18

you vote for or where you come from but

6:20

I can't imagine a single woman out there a

6:22

mother would be willing to

6:24

do something like this so what

6:27

happens to E.J. and Carol the next week I

6:30

sincerely hope she gets everything she deserves but

6:33

also hopes she knows that there are dozens of us out

6:35

there other victims who weren't part

6:37

of New York Society we're

6:40

the porn stars the strippers the

6:42

playmates the girls Trump thought he

6:44

could screw over and nobody would care because

6:46

somehow we don't matter well

6:48

guess what we do matter I'm here

6:50

to say that I matter and so do all

6:52

women wronged by this monster I

6:54

won't be quiet and I won't go away even

6:58

if others refuse to speak up on my behalf

7:01

there are so many eyewitnesses to the four

7:03

times I saw Trump their

7:05

statements could clear this for me to put it

7:07

all to rest could save

7:10

my reputation my home people

7:13

like Tara Patrick a fellow porn star who was

7:15

with me one night when I went to see

7:17

Trump she was asked

7:19

if she would speak out for me she

7:22

said she didn't want to get involved part

7:24

of me understands that she's also a mother of

7:26

a little girl maybe

7:28

she's protecting her daughter but also as

7:30

a mother you think that she would want to do the right

7:32

thing that she would want to put

7:35

a stop to what's happening Evan

7:37

Seinfeld he's

7:39

another one he saw Trump kiss me right on

7:41

the mouth he overheard Trump

7:43

try to take me home that night he

7:46

remembers the conversation well they spoke for

7:49

quite a while when asked if he would

7:51

back me he said

7:53

no because he did

7:55

want to jeopardize losing fans for

7:58

the band he's in he said biohazard

8:01

fans might be upset. If

8:04

fans are upset by you telling the truth, I don't

8:07

know if those are the kind of fans you want. I

8:09

know they're not the kind of fans I'd want, but

8:12

I digress. My

8:14

next guest is part of a special sisterhood

8:16

of victims having been allegedly assaulted by Donald

8:19

Trump. Alva Johnson, a

8:21

former campaign staffer, says that Trump assaulted her

8:23

in 2016 when

8:25

she was working as a campaign staffer for the

8:28

former president. In interviews and

8:30

in the lawsuit, Johnson said Trump grabbed her

8:32

hand and leaned in to kiss her on

8:34

the lips as he exited an RV outside

8:36

of a rally in Tampa, Florida on

8:39

August 24th, 2016. Johnson

8:41

says she turned her head just in time and

8:43

the unwanted kiss landed on the side of her

8:45

mouth. And while the kiss

8:48

was indeed unwanted, it was what

8:50

came afterwards that made it so much worse because

8:52

Trump came after Johnson with the full weight of

8:54

his legal team threatening her for

8:57

violating her NDA. Since

9:00

then, Johnson's life has been turned upside down as

9:02

she tried to tell the world what happened. She

9:05

joins me today to finally put this manner to rest

9:07

and walk us through what could happen when you try

9:09

and take on Donald Trump. Alva

9:13

Johnson, welcome to Beyond the Norm. Hi.

9:16

Hi. You

9:19

have quite a story that sounds

9:22

unfortunately all

9:25

too familiar. Yeah.

9:28

Yeah, I mean, it's been a pretty wild

9:30

ride, right? If

9:32

everything goes down, you're gonna be my roommate in

9:35

Gitmo, okay? We're gonna

9:37

have to get bunk-beds

9:39

on the air for sure.

9:43

So for my listeners who may not

9:45

be familiar with you because, you

9:47

know, a lot of my listeners come from the

9:49

adult side or from paranormal and introduce

9:52

yourself real quickly and

9:54

tell everybody your very

9:57

scary story. Okay,

10:00

well, I'm Alva Johnson. I Was

10:04

probably one of the first 60 people on the

10:06

payroll for the Trump campaign in 2016 I

10:09

was the director of outreach and coalition

10:11

for the 2016 campaigns Meeting

10:14

that I had to help identify all of

10:17

the many cults that you don't see that

10:19

have drenched and grown on

10:21

singing Wasn't

10:24

a bit planner. I was hired to you

10:26

know, help plan a rally in Alabama 30,000

10:30

people showed up it was a candidate and And

10:34

then from there I found myself dressed

10:36

in the middle of a presidential campaign So

10:39

I joined a campaign when he

10:41

was polling 18. I've worked under

10:43

Cora Lewandowski hired me I

10:46

worked under Paul Manafort Dave Bosse and

10:48

Steve Bannon. So I'm one of the

10:50

few people that worked under all four campaign

10:52

managers I sued him in

10:56

2018 for kissing me with our permission on

10:58

the campaign trail He did

11:00

it in front of everyone everyone would

11:03

tease me said oh he has a crush on you

11:05

the boss likes you And

11:07

then after access Hollywood came out it all

11:09

just kind of made more sense I

11:12

left the campaign immediately. I sued

11:15

him and then he sued me

11:17

in return for violating

11:19

my non-disclosure the NDA

11:23

And so I was in

11:25

litigation from 2018 until 2022 and I finally won

11:30

Last year after all of

11:32

their intimidation tactics Trying

11:36

to get me to quit give up.

11:38

I eventually won and so the non-disclosure

11:40

was found a constitution So

11:42

now I'm finally able to share a

11:45

lot of information That

11:47

I've always known I think that there was a reason why

11:49

they wanted to kind of keep me quiet Because

11:51

I worked with so many different people. I was

11:54

there from the beginning So I wasn't a person

11:56

that came in there the general like I

11:58

know you know, I know all of

12:00

the people who are

12:03

the people that we probably should be a little bit

12:05

more concerned about because they're never the people that you

12:07

see on television. And so

12:10

I'm really happy to finally be able

12:12

to speak out and to speak to

12:14

you too, Starby. So. All

12:16

right. So going back just a little bit, I have

12:19

a couple of questions. First,

12:22

and I'm sure you ask this all the time and

12:24

you probably don't want to answer it, but where was

12:26

the kit? It was

12:29

in an RV. Okay.

12:36

So I operated this RV program

12:38

in Florida, like the RNC, they

12:40

were being very difficult, even though

12:42

he was the nominee, they felt

12:44

like the fact that he had

12:46

won. So they were withholding finances

12:49

for us to open offices. So I came

12:51

up with this idea. We'll just like, you

12:53

know, have these three RVs, one in North

12:55

Florida, middle, center Florida,

12:57

and South Florida. So

12:59

it was like the debut of the RVs. We were

13:01

in Tampa. He

13:03

saw the RV, his face was over it,

13:06

you know, and you know, his ego is

13:08

what motivates him the

13:10

most. Right. And so he was just

13:12

like looking at his giant face on the side

13:14

of this RV. And he was just like, that

13:17

looks good. He walked on and he

13:19

sat there. I had

13:21

volunteers taking pictures, getting his autograph.

13:23

There was two other women that

13:25

were on the RV as well.

13:27

Pam Bandy, who was the attorney general

13:29

of Florida at that time. And then

13:31

Karen Giorno, who was

13:33

the state director. And

13:36

so, you know, so he was shaking hands. And

13:38

then as he was leaving, you know, I said

13:40

to him, I said, go and kick ass, you

13:42

know, like I've been on the road for a

13:44

while. So, you know, this is

13:46

it. Go, you know, go and kick ass.

13:48

He grabs my shoulders and I'm wearing like

13:50

a baseball cap, mind you, right? Grasp

13:53

my shoulders and then he's coming

13:55

towards me. I'm thinking

13:57

he's going to hug me maybe or. just

14:00

do me like this like he did everyone else

14:03

and he's just coming towards me and

14:05

I turned my face at the last

14:07

minute and he just time

14:10

I mean Yeah, he

14:12

was coming for my he was coming for

14:15

my face Yeah, and

14:17

I saw I turned my head at like

14:19

the last moment And

14:21

he ended up like, you know kissing me right here

14:24

And so that was what I sued

14:26

him for first They said that I

14:28

was never in Florida. I knew

14:31

Stephanie Grisham really well So then they had Stephanie

14:33

Grisham come out to say well I was there

14:35

but I don't remember seeing Alba and

14:37

then it was like some you know

14:39

Random newspaper where Stephanie and I were

14:41

standing next to each other and then she

14:44

says well I remember seeing her there, but

14:46

I don't remember what happened, you know, I

14:48

didn't hear anything about them So

14:51

what if the people on the RV when

14:53

it told everyone else like all

14:56

of my colleagues? And I

14:58

you know, I kind of take my job seriously

15:00

and you know, I did also like I'm a

15:02

black woman and like this very conservative even

15:09

In addition I think that you know in trying

15:11

to give up, you know and so

15:14

They would he told everyone else that he kissed

15:16

me and it was like this ongoing joke. And

15:19

so when I sued him He

15:22

you know, they denied it happened and then

15:25

they eventually found Set it so

15:27

I had to do a deposition Which

15:29

means that I had to be very sure

15:31

about what I'm saying in order to do

15:33

like I mean my deposition was like

15:35

10 hours And the

15:38

lawyer that was his lawyer at the time

15:40

was Charles harder Charlie

15:42

familiar So

15:46

was he one of the lawyers for against you

15:48

as well, yes in the beginning

15:50

absolutely And it's

15:53

just these people that the facts don't

15:55

matter and very similar to your story is

15:58

Going all the way back for me in 2006, it wasn't a

16:00

secret. Like,

16:03

I mean, I'm telling you, doesn't, not even

16:05

doesn't. Scores of people knew

16:07

what had happened. All my friends,

16:11

people who were just eyewitnesses, they

16:13

teased me as well. And

16:15

it wasn't a secret. So how is

16:18

it that suddenly something that was basically

16:21

not just common knowledge, but fodder?

16:24

Yeah, thank you. That suddenly

16:26

is just like, that's not

16:28

true. It never happened. I

16:32

mean, in my instance, it was more

16:34

than just the one instance. You know,

16:38

now there were people in the

16:40

hotel room when he cornered me

16:42

and blocked me from exiting the door. And

16:44

I'm not sure if you're familiar with his bodyguard,

16:46

Keith Schiller. Yes, I am. He was

16:48

there and he didn't, he didn't

16:51

threaten me or anything, but there's still a

16:53

very large man standing there. Yeah, for sure.

16:55

Keith is not. Yeah. And

16:58

then the subsequent meetings that I had

17:00

with him, there were multiple people. And

17:03

when I went to have another

17:05

meeting with him about the celebrity princess at

17:07

his office in New York, he

17:10

paraded me through. So

17:12

everybody's name, of course not. Hi,

17:14

hi, hi. Yeah. But

17:17

there was a man in his office that he

17:19

introduced me to. And I don't remember his name,

17:21

but he was in charge of a golf course

17:23

in Scotland. So I remember that he had an accent.

17:26

And Trump bragged and showed him a new photo of

17:28

me. When he

17:30

kicked me at the LeDoux party,

17:32

the Trump vodka party at his

17:34

nightclub called LeDoux in the house,

17:37

he leaned over a rail because he was

17:39

like an A-race platform, like a VIP booth.

17:41

And he did the same thing. That time

17:44

I wised up and I learned to do

17:46

like a good dodge. I was like, hey,

17:48

take us. You

17:50

know, the first time I didn't

17:53

dodge, and I got that little snake tongue. OK.

17:56

That's what I thought. open

18:00

suddenly kissed me in front of I mean, hundreds

18:02

of people having people at the nightclub, but specifically

18:04

in front of the team with

18:06

me, which is another adult performer named Tara

18:09

Patrick and her husband Evan,

18:11

who openly remembered this

18:13

and cheats me in the car all

18:15

the way home. Yeah. You

18:17

know, so there was all these multiple

18:20

instances, but suddenly that never happened, even

18:22

though there's actual red carpet footage of

18:24

me at that event. Yeah, I don't

18:26

understand how it was like, just facts

18:28

no longer matter. And a

18:32

little bit of a sensitive subject and then I

18:34

and I don't mean to offend, but I

18:37

feel like the proof

18:40

that he has in both of our cases is

18:42

it was me people swear, Oh,

18:44

it could not have happened. It couldn't

18:46

have happened because he's a germaphobe and

18:48

you're just a porn star. He would

18:50

never kiss a porn star. And in

18:52

your case, he is a racist. He

18:54

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like how they tried to discredit

20:39

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20:41

it's like they want like

20:43

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20:45

that what we're saying is true. And

20:48

the thing is, I can't date it, blessed women, before.

20:51

Like that was not like this unknown secret

20:53

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20:55

like in a long relationship with some

20:58

of that girl before

21:00

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21:02

you know, and then everyone knew. And

21:06

they were like, oh, he's a germaphobe, he's

21:08

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21:10

like literally, all of

21:12

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21:15

now I hear Stephanie

21:17

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you know, the administration and she's kind

21:22

of told her side of the story. Now

21:24

she talks about like how there was

21:27

someone else. And they're like, oh, everyone. It's

21:29

verbatim what I said. It's verbatim what

21:32

she denied that I was ever even

21:34

there. But it's verbatim when I said,

21:36

oh, everyone knew. Oh, we

21:38

tried to keep make sure that that girl

21:40

wasn't around him in private. It's like some

21:43

other girl that worked in the administration. Oh,

21:45

everyone knew that he liked her. They

21:48

would always tease her about how he

21:50

always compliments her. And so

21:52

literally everything that I described

21:55

that happened to me and everyone wanted to

21:57

tell me that it never happened. You

22:00

know, you're in a crazy way. I'm in

22:02

a crazy way. And I don't know if I know

22:04

I was there. I know exactly what happened. And

22:07

then, during my deposition,

22:09

and so you have your experience

22:11

with Charles Harder. You know that he's very

22:13

tough. So during

22:15

the deposition, that was where

22:18

they resurfaced the video. Because

22:20

I always said, I'm like, there were

22:22

so many people on the RV. I'm like,

22:24

surely someone has a video, a picture, or

22:27

something of this interaction. Because

22:29

he does things publicly. You

22:31

know? And then that is, I think, it's

22:33

another part of his strategy. Like, if I'm doing it

22:36

publicly, I'm not trying to hide it. But

22:38

if I say that I didn't do it, then

22:40

why would he do something like that in public?

22:43

You know? It's like this. So

22:46

that was where the video resurfaced. Charles

22:48

Harder actually buried, it's like

22:50

a 15-second clip that he

22:52

buried in eight hours of

22:55

Trump rallies. And

22:58

he buried the 15-second clip at

23:00

seven hour and 48 minutes and

23:04

like 52 seconds or something. Something very weird.

23:06

Like, you would have had to, it looked

23:09

like these old Hitler rallies,

23:13

eight hours of Trump rallies. And

23:15

so the 15 seconds of

23:17

the clip, and during the

23:19

deposition, because I was just like rereading my

23:21

deposition a couple of weeks ago.

23:24

And so Charles is like, so do

23:26

you agree that this is the kiss?

23:28

And so for me, I'm stunned because

23:30

I've had people for almost a

23:33

year at this point tell me that it never

23:35

happened. Right. And so now it's like, yes,

23:37

this is what I was talking about. So

23:40

do you think that you kissed him?

23:42

Just because I moved my mouth, I was

23:44

like, no. Why would I

23:46

kiss him? And then Charles Harder

23:49

became so upset that I would not

23:52

agree or say it the

23:54

way that he wanted me to say things. Like,

23:56

first of all, I'm under oath, too. You're not

23:58

going to manipulate me into saying it. how

24:00

you want me to say it. I'm like,

24:02

no, that's not what happened. Then it became,

24:04

well, do you think that he

24:06

was maybe showing his appreciation because

24:08

he's always, because everyone knows that

24:11

you've always been such, you've always

24:13

been so effective for the

24:15

campaign. So then it went to, well,

24:17

this is the reason why he did it.

24:19

Like, you know, it's just, it's madness. But

24:23

yeah, so because I

24:25

dared to say

24:28

that I did appreciate the fact that he kissed me,

24:30

that he embarrassed me in front of my

24:32

colleagues, that he put me

24:34

in a situation where people were teasing me

24:36

unnecessarily, and that it wasn't even like I

24:39

didn't ask for that. He could have just,

24:41

you know, patted me on the back and

24:43

shook my hand like he did everyone else. They

24:46

came after me for my non-disclosure. And

24:50

so in your case, you were able to

24:53

overturn your non-disclosure.

24:55

I was. Which I think it's so

24:58

funny that here's this man who's like,

25:00

you know, we're lying so heavily on

25:02

these NDA. Let me know some of

25:04

the big things that I'm getting attacked

25:07

for. He's now squawking about his, his

25:09

rights. His constitutional rights. So

25:12

in my case, I didn't even have to overturn

25:15

my NDA. Mine was

25:17

completely dismissed because he never signed it. Really?

25:22

Yeah. You know, I get so

25:24

much shit all the time about being a rat

25:27

or, or not being trustworthy and not

25:29

keeping my promises. There was no promise.

25:31

It was no agreement. You

25:33

know, if you go to buy a house and you never

25:35

sign it, guess what bitch? It ends your house. I

25:43

didn't do something illegal. But I

25:46

do believe that if it had been on the

25:48

up and up and properly executed,

25:50

as you're saying, in your place, it

25:53

still would have been thrown out.

25:55

It would have been thrown out. I mean,

25:57

like the NDA was so ridiculous. I

26:01

cannot work against him meeting the

26:03

politics. It's like the very nature

26:05

of politics You can work for

26:07

more than one candidate and one

26:09

election cycle, you know, so I

26:11

can't work against him I can't

26:14

criticize him. I can't

26:16

criticize his family. I can't

26:19

criticize his business for

26:21

a lifetime I like

26:24

so if I don't like Ivanka's new haircut,

26:26

you mean that I'm supposed to say I

26:28

don't like Ivanka's hair Like

26:30

if I'm... No, you're supposed to

26:33

say you love it. It's beautiful It's the

26:35

best haircut ever But

26:41

yes, fabulous In

26:45

my instance, the thing that, you

26:47

know, let's double

26:49

that cut My property executed him

26:51

was all signs. One of the main

26:54

points in my NDA was, and this

26:56

is pretty standard in an

26:58

NDA, you know, I believe is that,

27:01

you know, from this moment forward, the

27:03

date of signatures that

27:05

we can't contact each other and

27:08

we can't contact each other's families or

27:10

have our employees contact each other,

27:12

correct? So they

27:16

broke the... at first of all, the in

27:18

my NDA wasn't an NDA because it wasn't

27:20

signed. It wasn't legal You can't just one-sided

27:22

say it's done,

27:24

a contract is done of any sort because

27:27

it was missing signatures Two, Michael

27:30

Cohen contacted me not

27:32

once, not twice, but violated

27:34

the NDA three times before

27:37

I said something So

27:39

that's... this other misconception about

27:41

mine is that I changed my

27:44

story or I recanted or said

27:46

that this happened when

27:49

I have hundreds, thousands

27:51

at this point of

27:53

conversations, interviews, proof,

27:58

witnesses that what happened to me did and

28:00

the his followers are

28:02

relying on two poorly

28:05

typed, grossly misspelled paragraphs

28:07

that I did not write

28:09

that Michael Cohen wrote. Yeah.

28:13

And released to the

28:15

press. That

28:18

means he reached out to me to try to

28:21

do that. Right. Which means that they had

28:23

already violated it. Right. And then the third

28:26

violation is Michael Cohen. Well, you know, he

28:28

has said, you know, Tom

28:31

Ford has told us to apologize to me.

28:34

The third strike for me when I was like, you know,

28:36

it's fine. He

28:39

was shopping a book. Michael Cohen

28:41

was shopping a book to a bunch of publishers. And

28:44

in his treatment or his sales pitch to

28:46

get his book published, he specifically

28:49

listed all of the things that he had

28:51

done for Donald Trump, including

28:53

the Stormy Daniels, pay

28:55

off of $130,000. Michael Cohen is the reason that

29:00

the press ever got that number. Wow.

29:03

So that is so first

29:05

of all, my NDA was never an NDA,

29:07

was not signed or executed. And

29:10

they violated it 123 times,

29:13

right? Somehow have,

29:15

you know, like Trump and his attorneys

29:17

that they, they should really leave politics and

29:19

become DJs, because they got more Cohen

29:38

has for me and tries to

29:41

make things. No, like she's never reached

29:43

out to me at all. And

29:45

it's funny because she was there.

29:47

Like, I think so

29:50

the rally that I threw for him

29:52

in Alabama with the rally that Jeff

29:54

Sessions actually endorsed him, Jeff

29:57

Sessions became like the first sitting senator

29:59

to a endorse them. And

30:01

so Stephanie, it was Stephanie and I

30:03

and then it's got Justin Capra, who

30:06

is still very active with the campaign,

30:08

unfortunately. We were the

30:10

ones that pretty much put that rally together.

30:12

So Stephanie and I always, my duration

30:15

of the campaign, I always felt like we

30:17

had a good relationship. But I

30:20

also understand that at that

30:22

time when they are still

30:24

very much like under the influence

30:26

and you know within the bubble

30:29

and you know and

30:31

still in the cult that

30:33

people are going to lie and they're

30:35

going to be deceptive to stay in

30:37

favor. Because he has to think about

30:39

the loyalist and you know you

30:41

were talking about like his the

30:44

followers. You know

30:46

and it actually get just wrong

30:48

you know which is very unnerving.

30:51

I remember because I was probably

30:53

one of the most accessible people

30:56

on the campaign. Like a lot

30:58

of the volunteers have my phone numbers.

31:00

You know I would build a volunteer

31:03

base you know as director of outreach

31:05

and coalition. It was kind of my job.

31:07

I would listen to people's grievances because

31:10

I actually do like people you know.

31:12

So it's like you know mom coming

31:14

in talking about how her son has

31:16

you know an opioid addiction and candidate

31:18

Trump is the only person to say

31:20

anything about it. You know I saw

31:22

people like in rural pain that were

31:25

showing up in the offices. And

31:27

so you know and

31:30

then now I'll go back and I'll

31:32

look for some of these same people.

31:34

And the radicalization of what has happened

31:36

to them. They are just

31:38

like completely different people. It's not this

31:41

sweet old lady who was worried

31:43

about her son. You know it's

31:45

you know she's just you know full-on

31:47

you know hate and you know it's

31:49

just like a completely different person.

31:52

And so I used to have

31:54

to send a lot of our data to

31:57

Trump Tower at the end of every

31:59

day. actually to our data team,

32:01

which is Brad Press-Gell back

32:04

in 2016. And so, like,

32:07

when we would go into neighborhoods, the volunteers would

32:09

go. My job, because,

32:11

you know, I was on the ground,

32:13

was to also look for platforms,

32:16

to look for the things that

32:19

potential voters were saying that they were

32:21

most interested in. And so

32:23

if it was like a shift in

32:25

any particular neighborhood or any particular zip

32:28

code, then we wouldn't make

32:30

that shift. I would share that

32:32

information with the data team, and then they

32:34

would make the shift. So we would just

32:36

really micro target in on the people. And

32:40

what I've seen happen, a lot of people

32:42

don't like, you know, it took people forever

32:44

to call it a cult. I

32:46

think I'm probably like one of the first defectors,

32:48

and I've been calling myself like one of the

32:51

first defectors since 2016, because I

32:53

literally left three weeks before the

32:55

election, you know. And

32:57

so, and so

32:59

I've been calling myself a defector,

33:01

not really even understanding the

33:04

magnitude of what

33:06

was happening. But,

33:09

you know, they create

33:11

these medicals. As

33:14

I built the coalitions, it's like women for Trump,

33:16

bikers for Trump. So that's a bikers for Trump.

33:20

Like, you know, Lisa was saying that through

33:22

Studio City, there's like these bikers, you

33:24

know, that'll ride down way whenever

33:26

they're in class in California, Los

33:28

Angeles. And so that's like

33:30

bikers for treating veterans for Trump, blacks

33:33

for Trump, Latinos for Trump. I'll

33:35

help to identify the coalitions.

33:38

And then to kind of siphon people

33:41

into these coalitions. Analytics was

33:43

basically your main job, you

33:45

know, to sort of get these,

33:48

these spinoffs, you know,

33:51

and organize them and they

33:53

organized them. Yeah, that was

33:55

what I would do. And some

33:57

of the ones I see, which they just sort of make.

34:00

to me, women for Trump.

34:03

How does that

34:06

fit? I

34:08

don't know any black women for Trump. I

34:14

was always there for a job and

34:16

the next thing I do it was

34:18

like a presidential campaign. His followers were

34:20

like gremlins that people fed after midnight

34:23

and then she would multiply it in

34:25

an alarming and terrifying rate. I

34:27

thought he was going to govern, like at the point

34:29

that it was seen that he was actually going to

34:31

win. I thought he was going to govern like a

34:34

Democrat because he

34:36

had always been a Democrat. Exactly. How

34:38

is everybody forgetting this? I don't know

34:40

how people are. So for me, I'm

34:42

thinking, well, he's just going to pull

34:44

this over with the Republicans because they

34:46

gave him, they gave all of us

34:48

such a hard time throughout

34:51

the entire primary, like

34:53

between like selling delegates.

34:56

I just knew that he was going to get in

34:58

and he was going to govern like a Democrat.

35:01

I mean, especially with Ivanka and Jared

35:03

as well. I mean, Hope Hicks was

35:05

Democratic leading. So there

35:07

were so many people that were

35:09

Democrats. I mean, I'm a Democrat.

35:12

I've always voted Democrats. I've never

35:14

changed my- I mean, how do we forget

35:16

that he was one of Hillary's biggest supporters

35:18

the first time? Exactly. At Chelsea's wedding? I

35:21

was in the room, in the

35:23

hotel room with Trump while he was

35:26

on the phone with Hillary having a

35:28

conversation about that. Are

35:30

you kidding me? Yes. No, I heard

35:33

it with my own ears. Like

35:35

this is the stuff that he wants to

35:37

believe me. They don't want to believe it.

35:39

And I don't believe that. What

35:41

he has done and a lot

35:43

of it I'm going to say is like the media

35:45

as well because they- They don't

35:48

know how to frame any

35:50

of this. They don't know how to communicate

35:52

like what's really happening. It took them four

35:54

years to call it a cult. Like,

35:57

you know, like that's something that you should very much be able

35:59

to do. to see pretty early

36:01

on. And we don't have

36:03

time in four years for them to figure out

36:05

that now it's like all of these like Russian

36:08

PSYOP games that are happening, you know? But

36:10

with the medical, so like

36:12

when Women for Trump first started, there

36:14

was one little

36:17

group down in like West Palm

36:19

Beach, right? And then by

36:22

the time, you know, we started

36:24

creating like other little, like a

36:27

county in North Florida. They had

36:29

the villages, you know, the

36:31

place in Florida, that they started their Women

36:34

for Trump. Now in almost

36:36

every county in Florida, there is a

36:38

bridge, there is

36:40

a organized group of Women for

36:43

Trump. And so you hear

36:45

them talking about like, you know, Iowa,

36:47

they're talking about, well, his ground game

36:49

is much better than it was in

36:51

2016. And I'm

36:53

just like, y'all, that's fucking bullshit. First

36:56

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36:58

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37:00

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37:02

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37:06

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37:17

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37:19

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37:22

they ring to become like an officer in

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40:28

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41:17

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41:19

I mean, what are they

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going to do? Like, you know, a

41:24

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41:28

yeah, I mean, he says the most ridiculous things.

41:30

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41:33

that we kind of relied on

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during 2016. Like

41:37

when I first joined, I

41:39

started calling like the media companies to

41:41

see like advice, you know, how much

41:43

for a 30 second spot, how much

41:45

for, you know, a 15 second radio

41:47

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41:49

you know, TV and radio, they make

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a lot of money during political season.

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41:57

were like, oh, no, we don't need that. Like, you

41:59

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42:02

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42:04

that talked about the amount of free

42:06

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42:08

weren't buying ads. I said, in between

42:10

that and Facebook, I

42:12

mean, it was just like, you know, there

42:15

wasn't any need for anything else. And

42:17

I definitely believe that, I mean, Facebook

42:20

had a huge, you know, it's

42:24

a big reason, it has a big part

42:26

into how he won as well. Because

42:28

like even for us in our state, like

42:31

even for like different states that we were

42:33

in, as long as we had a Facebook

42:35

page, that was all we needed. You

42:38

know, even if a lot of these little mini organizations,

42:40

these tiny cults now that they are,

42:43

they would just put up a Facebook page and

42:45

then all of a sudden like between, you know,

42:47

like in weeks, they would have like thousands of

42:49

people, you know? It was like a

42:51

buzz zapper on for crazy. Yeah, just

42:53

turn on the Facebook light and here they come.

42:56

And here they come. It's

42:58

crazy. So going back to you personally,

43:03

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43:06

even my own personal friends

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and family, and sometimes even

43:10

my husband who wasn't, you

43:13

know, my partner who wasn't here the entire stretch

43:15

with me, like you

43:18

were threatened, right? Yeah, for sure.

43:21

And your family, I'm sure. And you were docked

43:23

and all that stuff. Can you, I

43:25

mean, I was famously threatened in

43:27

a parking lot, you know, when

43:29

my daughter was a baby. And

43:32

I know she was a baby because she was so rear

43:34

facing in the car seat in the back, she was training.

43:37

Like, if you're willing to share

43:40

like what, just

43:42

a highlight for people listening who

43:45

can't seem to wrap their head around and just

43:47

sort of put on their rose plug glasses and

43:49

turn and look the other way. Give

43:53

us an example, if you're comfortable, an example or

43:55

two of like the links

43:57

that people

43:59

did. Well,

44:02

I mean, the least, you

44:04

know, so keep in mind that I,

44:06

you know, knew a lot of the

44:08

supporters. And so

44:10

one of the first things I did was change

44:12

my phone number. And so

44:16

my parents who, you know, live

44:18

in Alabama, you know, everyone knew

44:20

that I was the Trump person

44:22

from that area from that from

44:24

that city in Alabama.

44:28

And I would have people drive

44:30

by my parents' house and

44:32

like these, these picket trunks

44:34

with the big trunks and

44:36

flags, you know, like hanging

44:38

off of them. Like

44:41

they would just like, you know, rev their engines outside

44:43

of my parents' house. Because

44:45

everyone knew that I was the, you know, the

44:47

Trump person for that region. I

44:50

hit out for a while. I mean, I'm sure

44:53

you probably had to as well. I

44:55

hit out for a while. You

44:58

know, my lawyers were pretty, they were really

45:00

good about because of

45:02

the NDA as well. I couldn't be vocal.

45:04

So I think that there were moments when

45:06

people kind of forgot about me. And

45:09

then and then I would get frustrated. I'm just like,

45:11

you know, like just screw this, you know. But

45:15

yeah, I mean, like the death threats

45:17

were horrendous. I think I heard almost

45:19

every type of way that I could

45:21

be killed. Sounds like creative. Sounds like some

45:23

of them were pretty creative, you know.

45:29

I've heard all types of ways that I could

45:31

be killed. I've been called every type of name

45:33

that you can even think of. He

45:36

would never touch you. He doesn't like people

45:39

like you. You

45:41

know, how dare you. You're a traitor. I've

45:44

been told, I have a conspiracy theory

45:47

actually that I was a plant by

45:49

Oprah. Because I used

45:52

to work. Oh

45:55

my God, you do? So

46:02

I was an over plant, over planted me

46:05

in the campaign to take him down.

46:07

I mean, like, I've like that, that's like

46:10

the big conspiracy theory. Yeah,

46:13

because we both like I worked for

46:16

the spiritual leader a long time ago.

46:18

And so they're like, oh, no, she

46:20

was a plant, you know, but

46:22

yes. So it was the people

46:25

driving by my parents, really,

46:27

because that meant that, you

46:29

know, like my parents weren't safe. And

46:32

even if I was hiding out, that

46:34

meant that, you know, they're older. And

46:36

so they were vulnerable. And

46:39

everyone in that town in Alabama knew

46:42

that I worked for him. They were

46:44

all, you know, excited that I worked

46:46

for him. And then I sued

46:48

him. And, you

46:51

know, people calling and hanging out the

46:53

phone, you know, because people

46:55

knew my family. And so that

46:58

was probably the worst, because at

47:00

that point, it was like, you can't even

47:02

hide. You know, like, there

47:04

was no place to hide. And it's

47:07

affecting my, you know, my older parents.

47:09

But yeah, I mean, it's just, you know,

47:12

people telling me different types

47:14

of ways that they want to kill me. Yeah,

47:17

and if you found it, I mean, it takes

47:19

a financial toll as well. The

47:21

legal system, the justice

47:24

system and whatnot is not really

47:26

designed to help people that are

47:28

not of an upper class, like

47:30

very high. Absolutely. For instance, you

47:33

know, for instance, at this

47:35

very moment, Trump

47:37

and his attorneys are focusing

47:40

on my

47:42

partner, Barrett, and trying

47:44

to take his house. Are you kidding?

47:46

Yeah. That sounds like him. Just

47:49

hit us up again yesterday. And

47:51

the house is the one I'm sitting in right now. Barrett

47:54

does not own it. It's technically owned by the bank.

47:56

It has a mortgage. I have nothing to

47:58

do with it. He poured

48:00

himself, my name is not

48:02

on it. I do not, I mean, I do pay rent, but

48:05

I didn't have anything to do with the purchase of it. And

48:08

we're not legally, it's not

48:10

community property. So there's, but

48:12

what does that cause? That causes tension

48:15

in my relationship. It causes people.

48:17

He had to go out and get an attorney at $5,000 a pop, which

48:21

is a lot of money for a

48:23

camera operator. He doesn't come

48:26

from, you know, debt to cut us

48:28

down at the same time, cost you

48:30

to actual income. People are afraid to hire

48:32

us because of the, yep, the dangers

48:35

that come with it. Yep. And

48:37

I have famously said that I will

48:39

not pay him a dime. I

48:41

would have to go to the home first because I did

48:44

nothing wrong. This is the place that I

48:46

am paying for standing up for myself and

48:48

speaking the truth. And I am a

48:50

reporter of Eugene Carroll, obviously, and I'm

48:52

glad that she won, but

48:54

how is it that the Supreme Court wouldn't even take

48:56

my keys or hear what I had to say and

48:58

they gave her $5 million and they're trying to

49:00

take 600,000. They're the same

49:02

three sentences that I'm a liar, a con

49:04

and a wack-on. And he is still,

49:06

he's still defending me. He is saying

49:09

that he only met me once, but these things

49:11

didn't happen. So he is continuing to lie about

49:13

me. Yeah, they're coming after me.

49:15

And the newest piece of paperwork, they're demanding

49:18

the names and addresses of my family and

49:20

my children. That is, but

49:22

you know what? But that is what they do.

49:25

I'm not sure that, if you had a

49:27

young child, I don't know if you do

49:29

adult. I do, and absolutely the hell no.

49:31

You know? I'm so excited that

49:33

there is name and address and school information

49:35

of your young daughter. Absolutely. Thank

49:38

you. I'm glad, and I get my prediction as

49:40

a 30-day should not I'll be in

49:42

jail because I'm not a different guy. I

49:45

don't, you know what? I'm gonna

49:47

say this and hopefully, I

49:50

know what you're going through. I've been

49:52

in your shoes, you

49:55

know? Like, seriously, I would

49:57

see some of your situation.

50:00

on television and I

50:02

was living a parallel life, you

50:05

know, in essence, it's like

50:08

his intimidation tactics are

50:10

the worst and

50:14

it's a part of his strategy to

50:16

wear us down. Like I couldn't

50:18

make money for years. Same.

50:21

Like literally they threatened

50:23

me and told me,

50:25

actually during my deposition,

50:27

one of the lawyers said, they

50:30

mentioned the NDA pretty early in it just

50:32

to kind of like, you know, we haven't

50:34

forgotten. So we'll get back to that at another

50:36

time. And then as I

50:38

was walking out, they

50:40

looked at me and said, we're going to make an

50:42

example out of you. I was

50:44

told the same thing. And

50:47

I mean, it's like, we're going to make an example out

50:49

of you. And the

50:51

number of times where, you

50:53

know, because it's like, you know, it

50:55

weighs on like, you know, about even

50:57

with the person I was with then,

50:59

because it absolutely will destroy relationships. Same.

51:02

Same. No. And

51:05

then the person I was with

51:07

back then, my daughter's father, he and I are

51:09

long note. I mean, he cracked a long time ago.

51:12

He was fired from his job last month,

51:14

even though we haven't been together in over

51:16

five years. Yeah. Fired

51:18

from a job he loved last month because they found out he

51:21

used to be with me. So it's been him

51:23

and he's done nothing wrong. Yeah. I

51:25

mean, that's yeah, that's like the

51:27

best to think about it. It's

51:29

the way that it absolutely will.

51:33

And that's what they want to do. Like

51:35

they want to just completely wear you down.

51:38

And people need to understand like

51:40

the intimidation tactics. Like I usually

51:42

get so pissed because people be

51:45

like, oh, you're so brave. Oh,

51:48

you're you're so courageous. And

51:51

you know, I like I don't

51:53

need to hear that I'm brave. I

51:55

need like your support. Like, you know,

51:57

it's like. But

52:00

real fast who my real friends are.

52:02

Yeah, you find out very, exactly

52:04

who your real friends are. Like whatever,

52:06

but when I'm like, I'm led

52:08

to charge, let's go. You're

52:12

the only one. Plus there is no one behind

52:14

you. Sorry, there's

52:17

no one behind you. Actually there are

52:19

other people running with you, but they

52:21

just keep like, we're running someplace else.

52:23

We don't even know that we're all

52:25

running in the same direction. And

52:28

it's very few and far between. So

52:31

people will tell you that you're brave and then

52:33

you turn around and there's no one there. Like

52:35

there's no support. You know, like there

52:37

was nothing. It's like they want to have the

52:39

perfect victim. And I will say

52:42

this, I am very happy for E.J. I know

52:44

E.J. very well. And I'm very

52:46

happy for her because you know

52:48

what? There were so many of

52:51

us that were screwed over, I

52:53

think, not just even by the

52:55

justice system even. I

52:58

think at any point that any one

53:01

of us are able

53:03

to make a difference and

53:05

to hold him accountable, I

53:07

think that it's still, like I believe

53:09

in energy and stuff like that. Like

53:11

I feel like energetically, it's

53:13

still kind of lifts a little bit of

53:16

what happened. I

53:18

was like, okay, yeah, well now we

53:20

know that he's actually a convicted rapist.

53:22

So, and wait, now he's a

53:24

convicted liar. Like all of his

53:26

dirty work is right

53:29

there and a justice system has

53:31

said, this is who he is.

53:33

And so even like, do we directly

53:36

benefit from it? No. But

53:38

I think in the collective, I

53:43

think that it can

53:45

make a difference. You know what I mean? She's

53:48

taking a lot of arrows right

53:50

now, because

53:53

even like, they want the perfect victim,

53:55

but there was no such thing as

53:57

a perfect victim. And, you

53:59

know, should be believed, but we all

54:01

deserve the same support. And

54:04

yeah, no, it was very fucking lonely.

54:08

Yeah, I mean, I didn't leave

54:10

my house for

54:12

months. And I couldn't even

54:15

realize it had been that long until

54:17

my, you know, until my friend finally

54:19

dragged me out or maybe it was Barrett.

54:21

And I'm like, you got to get out

54:23

of the fucking house. And we're driving and

54:25

I literally saw buildings that I had never

54:28

seen before, because I had been lost in

54:30

my house for so long that they cleared

54:32

down trees, poured a slab, built

54:34

a building. And I was

54:36

like, was that

54:39

there? That's

54:41

how long it's been on outside. Yeah,

54:44

I was like that too. Like, I

54:46

was just very nervous to

54:48

go outside. And

54:51

I wasn't, you know, like, at first when

54:54

it happened, I think I was a little

54:56

bit more recognizable. Now

54:58

I, you know, now I don't even think I think I

55:00

was like a blip on the radar. Like

55:04

in the grand scheme of things, I think

55:06

people don't even realize, you know, the fight

55:08

that I went through, they don't even know

55:10

like the leak, like the litigation, you know,

55:13

that I went through the intimidation that I

55:15

had to go through. I literally

55:17

had to fight for myself, you know, and the

55:19

same is with you. I got

55:23

to the point, you know, because especially

55:25

because like the NDA, I'm not allowed

55:27

to talk, I can't, you know, say

55:29

anything publicly. And I'm watching like all

55:31

these pundits on the TV. And

55:33

they're like, Oh, you know, and I'm just

55:36

like, Okay, first of all, that doesn't even

55:38

make sense. That's wrong. You're not helping. This

55:40

isn't true. Like, you know, like they were

55:42

so wrong about him for so long. I

55:45

came to the conclusion. I'm like, I'm just

55:47

gonna have to save myself because I can't

55:49

depend on the people that are supposed to

55:51

be the smart people, you

55:53

know, and that's the people that they give platforms

55:55

to. It's not the people that are trying with

56:00

actual knowledge of what's happened and how

56:02

to combat it. It's the people

56:04

who are the loudest in the room.

56:06

And they his supporters

56:08

are the loudest people I've ever come

56:11

across. Yeah. Your story

56:13

I wasn't even familiar with it

56:15

and I'm in the trenches with you. Yeah. You

56:17

know people don't really know my story they're not

56:19

aware of these things that happen. They you

56:22

know every day I read online about how and

56:26

they are, these people say

56:28

it was conviction that I went to court

56:30

and was sworn in and said under oath

56:32

that this affair never happened.

56:35

I've never been in court for this. I've never

56:37

been under and I never said it just happened.

56:39

They're going on one little

56:41

stupid paragraph that Michael Cohen

56:43

released the press that I

56:46

didn't even write. You know or

56:48

that I was found guilty of

56:50

breaking the NDA. No I won that.

56:52

Yeah. It was dismissed because there was

56:54

no NDA. I was found

56:56

to be a liar. No I wasn't. It's pretty

56:58

obvious that I'm the only one in this in

57:01

my situation. My story has not changed since 2006.

57:12

I'm the only person that's been consistent. People

57:14

say I wasn't there. I wasn't

57:16

in Florida. It never happened. Then

57:18

they liked the video. I was

57:21

like oh well then it was

57:23

like I completely get that because

57:25

I have been the only person

57:27

that has been that I've been

57:29

consistent and everything that I've said

57:32

but yet I'm the liar. They're still coming after

57:34

me. They're still coming after my family and now

57:37

they're demanding the information on

57:39

my child. Everyone I've

57:41

worked for what so you can go after

57:43

the job that I do have. I'm not

57:45

the one to do this. I'll have to tell

57:47

you right now and I've said it a thousand

57:49

times and I'll say it again. I said it's

57:52

my attorney yesterday. I am not filling out those

57:54

forms and I am not turning it over. I

57:56

will close out my bank account and set fire

57:58

to every dollar bill I have in my front

58:00

yard and dance naked for the

58:02

collective before I turn over

58:04

people who matter to me. Because I

58:07

did not wrong. And if

58:09

this is what it takes to get people to front. Well, that's a

58:11

skill if I've ever heard one. Right?

58:14

If I've ever actually come for it, like

58:16

I don't understand why his idiot

58:22

followers will can somehow get

58:24

organized enough to cause him

58:26

an intelligent, powerful

58:29

people and women. We can't get our

58:31

shit together. Let

58:34

me tell you about the cult. The

58:36

reason why we can't get our

58:38

shit together is because, first

58:41

of all, so they have

58:43

like a media empire behind them. In

58:45

essence, they literally are

58:48

siphoned into a rabbit hole of

58:50

information. They live in a completely

58:52

different reality than what we live

58:54

in. We live in the real

58:56

world. They live in Trump world.

58:59

Trump world is very different than

59:02

what's happening here. And people

59:04

like to say, well, these evangelical people,

59:06

like, why do they support him? He's

59:08

like the most godless person. They don't

59:10

want anyone god full, like full of

59:13

God. Like they had that with the

59:15

tea party. It got them nowhere. They

59:18

want someone that is that's an

59:20

asshole, the one that he is because

59:22

they feel as if they're getting everything

59:24

that they want. They're getting a Christophasist

59:27

nation. You know, Roe

59:29

v. Wade was overturned. They have

59:31

the Supreme Court, you know, pretty

59:34

much they're getting their banning books. Like

59:36

they are literally creating this world that

59:39

they were like they live in an

59:41

alternate reality. We can't

59:43

get our shit together because we don't have

59:45

the same support. Okay. A

59:48

lot of what is intertwined with the

59:50

whole Trump world is that like, not

59:52

only does it become like your social

59:54

life, but your finances become tied into

59:56

it because they're all the job opportunities

59:59

that are different. there, you

1:00:01

know, for people. Like I have like this,

1:00:03

like I look at like a lot of

1:00:05

the people who work with me in 2016. And

1:00:07

I've just

1:00:10

like been just keeping up with everyone.

1:00:12

Like I wake up at three o'clock in the

1:00:14

morning, and Google and look

1:00:17

to see like, where are people like

1:00:19

where are you? I'm still up at

1:00:21

three. I like

1:00:25

up at three. And I'm like, okay, let

1:00:27

me just like look and see like, yeah,

1:00:29

I'm sure you thought I forgot about you.

1:00:31

You know, like, where are these people? There

1:00:33

are people that went into Voice of America,

1:00:35

this guy, Matt Sapolsky. Voice

1:00:38

of America is literally the news

1:00:40

arm of the United States government.

1:00:43

It is what you find on

1:00:45

military race basis is what you

1:00:47

find in all of the embassies

1:00:49

all over the world. It is

1:00:52

the official news station of the

1:00:54

United States. Matt Sapolsky

1:00:56

was hired by Corlin Lewandowski. He

1:00:58

used to be the state director

1:01:00

of New Hampshire. He was also like one of our

1:01:03

data people on the road. So

1:01:05

once people started to get their appointments, you

1:01:08

know, a lot of people didn't know that I left

1:01:10

the campaign. So I was still kind of in touch

1:01:12

with people once I saw that he won. And

1:01:14

so that I was like, where are you going, Matt? He's

1:01:16

like, I'm going to Voices of America. And I

1:01:19

thought it was such an odd choice.

1:01:21

Like, why would you go to a

1:01:25

broadcasting station? And

1:01:27

then there was this, there was this

1:01:31

article by Media Matters says, here are the

1:01:33

hacks in charge of broadcasting Trump's

1:01:36

propaganda internationally. So he

1:01:39

went in with someone from Breitbart,

1:01:41

Breitbart, and they started

1:01:43

pushing all the career people out. And

1:01:46

so now, you know,

1:01:48

this isn't just like a problem that's

1:01:50

relegated to the US. This is like you look

1:01:52

at what's happening in Ecuador, you look at what

1:01:55

just happened in Argentina, you looked at what happened

1:01:57

in Brazil, be like this

1:01:59

is an international And

1:02:01

so you have people like that. So

1:02:04

we talk about why we can't get our shit together. They

1:02:06

are a lot more strategic with

1:02:08

their evil than we are with

1:02:10

our good. It's

1:02:13

like people who are up to

1:02:15

the various things, they

1:02:18

seem to be very intentional on

1:02:20

how to accomplish what they

1:02:22

need to accomplish. Whereas I think

1:02:25

that I learned this from my therapist. My

1:02:29

therapist said, Alva, they will always know

1:02:31

what choice you're going to make because your

1:02:35

choice is a choice that most people will make. And

1:02:37

so it's easy to defeat the most obvious

1:02:39

choice. When you

1:02:42

know that people are going to do the right

1:02:44

thing, it's easy to defeat them. You

1:02:46

don't have to guess. But if you have

1:02:48

someone who, that's why people don't believe,

1:02:51

like I can't believe he said that. I

1:02:53

could just go to Fifth Avenue and shoot

1:02:55

someone. I wouldn't lose a supporter. I

1:02:57

can't believe he said that because

1:02:59

it's so outrageous. The reason. And

1:03:02

so, but what he also does to

1:03:04

his followers, to his local people,

1:03:08

is that it becomes like this

1:03:10

level of disassociation for them. And

1:03:12

so it's like the goal post constantly

1:03:14

moves on the things that they are

1:03:17

willing to accept. It used

1:03:19

to be like, oh, I could just shoot someone.

1:03:21

First, it was just like making fun of the

1:03:23

journalists with a disability. And

1:03:25

then let's denigrate the military

1:03:27

by saying, well, I'd like my leaders to

1:03:29

not get caught. Let's talk about John McCain.

1:03:31

And these are people that are always like

1:03:34

pro-military, back to blue.

1:03:36

It's like people who are supposed to be like

1:03:38

the most patriotic, like

1:03:40

we're the United States. We

1:03:43

believe in democracy, not Russia. And now they're

1:03:45

like pro-Russia. It's all by

1:03:48

design. And he has

1:03:50

been putting people, he's

1:03:53

built all these tiny cults. There's this

1:03:55

wine god that worked with me who is

1:03:57

now the executive director of The Villages.

1:04:00

The villages is where we send, we might

1:04:02

have pop off, you know, what wealthy

1:04:05

people send their parents to

1:04:07

like this little community in

1:04:09

Florida. Which is the

1:04:11

size it's so large as a retirement community

1:04:13

of like wealthy people from like,

1:04:15

you know, New York and New

1:04:18

Jersey and Connecticut and California. It's

1:04:20

where well the people send their

1:04:22

parents to live out a

1:04:25

nice life. It's where grandma goes to

1:04:27

die. Yeah, well, then my grandpa

1:04:29

goes to die, but at least they'll die,

1:04:31

you know, with nice digs and doing fun

1:04:33

things, you know, and but

1:04:35

it also has the highest

1:04:37

STD rating than any other

1:04:39

city. I know, I just found

1:04:41

that out like past week. I

1:04:44

just found that out. So,

1:04:49

it's like, we're, it's like my grandma,

1:04:51

grandpa, gonna die, but they might get

1:04:53

a little bit before they are grandpa

1:04:55

dies. And here's Mr. Walter from like,

1:04:58

you know, the second floor. But

1:05:00

anyway, this guy, they put him

1:05:02

as the executive director of the

1:05:05

villages. Now, he

1:05:07

was on the road with me. He was also

1:05:09

out of New Hampshire. So he was one of

1:05:12

Cora Lewandowski's people in 2016. They

1:05:15

appointed him to the Department of Energy

1:05:17

and then he wasn't even there for

1:05:19

a week before they uncovered like all

1:05:21

of this, just like xenophobia and just

1:05:24

like really hateful tweets and all the

1:05:26

stuff that he had done. And

1:05:28

then they started digging into his, his

1:05:31

background and come to find

1:05:33

out before he joined the

1:05:35

campaign, he was a

1:05:37

massage therapist advertising on the back

1:05:39

of back pages. Trump

1:05:44

just put it to the Department of Energy. I

1:05:47

mean, I'm not

1:05:50

surprised. But

1:05:53

no one knew this, like no one. He's not telling

1:05:55

me that Trump knew each other. But

1:06:01

like, this is the guy that they just

1:06:03

put in charge of like your, your wealthy

1:06:05

parents down in Florida, you

1:06:07

know, and so they are

1:06:09

much more strategic with their

1:06:11

nefarious. You know, purposes

1:06:14

versus for us, you know, even

1:06:18

the media discounts what we have

1:06:20

to say, even the media, they

1:06:22

don't feel like we don't have

1:06:24

the equivalent of what they have. It's

1:06:26

pretty much. Yeah, we

1:06:29

don't fight dirty enough. We didn't. I

1:06:32

need more jars. I

1:06:36

mean, I've always liked the two faces out of

1:06:38

the two. And what I think like,

1:06:40

you know, you might not win the battle that you could

1:06:43

still win the war. And I want

1:06:45

to sit around and let anyone take

1:06:47

punches at me without punching that, you

1:06:49

know, and so we don't fight hard

1:06:51

enough. And even girl. I

1:06:55

listen to you. No,

1:06:58

you listen, you have been fighting, you

1:07:00

know, like you have done and I

1:07:02

know like how hard it is, but

1:07:06

they can't intimidate you forever. I think

1:07:08

I got to the point where because they were

1:07:10

monitoring my bank accounts, too. What

1:07:12

are you doing for work? Send me all

1:07:14

the applications that you've sent out. Yeah.

1:07:16

And so I got

1:07:19

to the point where I told them no, because

1:07:21

they hit. One of their tactics

1:07:23

is that they ask us for information

1:07:25

and then we ask them for discovery.

1:07:27

They won't send it. So

1:07:30

it all those bills as if we're the

1:07:33

only ones sending all of the discovery when

1:07:35

they also have deadlines of information that

1:07:37

they're supposed to provide. So

1:07:39

I just changed my tactic. Honestly, I told

1:07:41

my lawyers, I was like, listen, I said, they're

1:07:44

the ones that say that I said that I

1:07:46

damaged them. So they need

1:07:48

to prove to me how I damaged them.

1:07:51

I'm not I'm not I'm not giving them anything else.

1:07:53

I'm not giving them anything else. I'm tired of being

1:07:55

quiet. I said, so if I

1:07:57

damaged them, they need to prove that to me. So

1:08:00

tell them that they need to send me how

1:08:02

I damaged them But they

1:08:04

don't do that. So No,

1:08:07

they did the same thing where it's like send

1:08:09

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1:08:13

like to send them a stool sample They can have

1:08:15

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1:08:21

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I reached out to him before

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I found my lawyers. Okay.

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And I left a message. He

1:10:11

never called me back. And

1:10:13

then suddenly a couple of days later,

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I get a phone call from the

1:10:18

Washington Post. Say,

1:10:21

hey, we understand. I

1:10:23

thought they were calling like for something else. Like

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I like I haven't even filed my lawsuit. Like

1:10:27

literally, I was in hiding. No

1:10:29

one even knew what had happened.

1:10:32

And then this was 2017. So

1:10:38

this is before I even knew him. I

1:10:41

know I think you knew him and I saw that

1:10:44

he was being effective with you. I

1:10:47

didn't mean him until 18. Well,

1:10:51

maybe it was 2018. Yeah,

1:10:54

maybe it was 2018. But

1:10:58

I saw him on the news because of

1:11:00

you. Now, sounds like this guy

1:11:02

seems to be like really good. You saw

1:11:04

that bullet. Yeah,

1:11:08

especially like when the Washington Post called

1:11:10

me and then I ended up actually

1:11:12

doing the story eventually with

1:11:14

the reporter that called. And

1:11:18

I and I mentioned that she actually

1:11:20

reminded me. She's like, you remember you

1:11:22

left a message for someone. And

1:11:25

I called you a couple of days later. I

1:11:28

was like, holy shit. Yeah.

1:11:31

What's her name, Diane? That

1:11:35

seemed to be one of his leads. But yeah,

1:11:37

there's nothing good about that man, which goes all

1:11:39

the way back to the

1:11:42

very root of this. How can I

1:11:44

be liable for attorney fees and a

1:11:46

lawsuit that I didn't approve? It's

1:11:48

not to improve that the definition case

1:11:51

that on all honesty, Trump did the

1:11:53

same knee and he's still doing so

1:11:55

without any repercussions. That initial

1:11:57

lawsuit was done without my permission. I

1:12:00

found out about it on Twitter. I

1:12:02

found out about a lawsuit that I filed

1:12:05

on Twitter. That

1:12:07

is crazy. I mean,

1:12:09

but this is what he's going to

1:12:12

keep doing. Like this is just, because

1:12:14

even like the fact that he shows up

1:12:17

at his trials, you know, it's

1:12:19

all like he's like PT Barnum. I

1:12:22

don't know. So he hangs on

1:12:24

to the enemies of his followers.

1:12:27

So as long as he's fighting you and he's

1:12:30

like, oh, I'm still fighting Stormy Daniels,

1:12:33

his followers, it's like red meat to

1:12:35

his followers. I know. You

1:12:37

know? So yeah, he's

1:12:39

PT Barnum. Like it literally is just

1:12:41

a circus for him. But,

1:12:44

you know, I hope that

1:12:47

he will- Like he'll get back to this

1:12:49

clown car. Like, yeah. Yeah.

1:12:54

I mean, so I

1:12:56

don't even know how to wrap this up. We can spend hours

1:12:58

talking about this. You know, what is

1:13:00

your, like, so you are now free

1:13:02

clear. I am. What

1:13:05

is the final outcome of your case? You

1:13:09

know, were you, you

1:13:12

were the victor, I'm assuming. Like you, you

1:13:14

know. Well, so the first case when I

1:13:16

sued him for sexual assault for

1:13:20

kissing me without permission, I

1:13:23

had to drop that

1:13:25

case because the judge was a

1:13:27

traffic media judge. So

1:13:29

the NDA, they sued me afterwards.

1:13:32

And I won that just last

1:13:34

year. Like literally it was like

1:13:37

March of 2022. And

1:13:40

it recorded damages or attorney fees.

1:13:42

My attorney fees, yeah. So

1:13:45

yeah, my attorney fees. I mean, there were

1:13:47

times I think that, I

1:13:50

think both sides, like both my lawyers and his lawyers

1:13:52

just kind of wanted it to be over. So they

1:13:54

were like, just, you

1:13:56

know, to ask Al that he'll just

1:13:58

publicly apologize. We

1:14:01

will drop all of this. We will let

1:14:03

it all go. If she'll just publicly apologize.

1:14:06

She'll still remain under the NDA,

1:14:08

but if she just publicly apologizes,

1:14:10

we'll let all of this go.

1:14:13

And I would email my lawyers back,

1:14:15

you tell them just like this. I

1:14:18

will never apologize. As a matter of fact, he

1:14:20

owes me an apology. Exactly.

1:14:23

Thank you. That's what I keep saying. Yeah,

1:14:26

but you know, like, this is just a

1:14:28

part of what they do. Just keep,

1:14:31

you know, I mean, it's I know

1:14:33

it's easier said than done, but just

1:14:37

keep hanging in there because this is

1:14:39

like their whole tactic. It's

1:14:41

literally their playbook. So,

1:14:44

and I will try. I just,

1:14:46

we're down to the, to the

1:14:48

thing here. For me, like they're

1:14:50

closing it and then I'm not backing down,

1:14:52

which pretty much means I'll probably be, I'll

1:14:55

now be the one in trouble, which they'll spend

1:14:57

because, you know, now I technically have done something

1:14:59

wrong because I am refusing to answer

1:15:02

these questions and endanger my own family, my

1:15:05

coworkers, my, you

1:15:07

know, my, my partner, my home and

1:15:09

most importantly, my child. Yeah,

1:15:12

but what's next for you? Like, what is next

1:15:15

for me? I

1:15:20

mean, next for me, honestly, it's just

1:15:22

continuing to speak out now that I

1:15:25

actually can. I mean, I

1:15:27

am determined to do everything that

1:15:29

I can to keep him from getting

1:15:31

back in office. I

1:15:33

believe in like reverse engineering a lot of

1:15:36

the way that these people fell into

1:15:38

the cult. So I'm looking for methods

1:15:41

and ways to kind of

1:15:43

pull them out of it a little bit.

1:15:46

And then just like really speaking out more. I mean,

1:15:48

I really wish the media, because they're the ones

1:15:50

who are like the mouthpiece for what

1:15:52

should happen. I really wish that

1:15:55

they understood it a little bit

1:15:57

better. So I'm looking to do more

1:15:59

media. to actually talk a

1:16:01

lot more about what I know,

1:16:03

you know, and hopefully,

1:16:05

you know, work with grassroots

1:16:08

organizations like I did if

1:16:11

I wanted to in 2020 to

1:16:13

help keep them out of office.

1:16:15

Otherwise, you know,

1:16:19

I have an RV. I'm just saying. So,

1:16:21

yeah, but I

1:16:24

really appreciate you. Thank you.

1:16:26

I appreciate you as well. And thank you for

1:16:36

talking to me today. And I will

1:16:39

do everything I can to help

1:16:41

spread your story as well. And hopefully

1:16:44

we can get at least a little bit of

1:16:46

organization here because of every if

1:16:49

every one of my supporters, our

1:16:51

supporters, just helps

1:16:53

me out a little bit, you know,

1:16:56

because I'm gonna lose everything for

1:16:58

doing the right. Yeah,

1:17:00

no, I mean, and your supporters, they

1:17:02

definitely need to help you out. Like,

1:17:04

I think people do not understand the

1:17:07

the intense like, like

1:17:09

them hitting us financially. They're just like

1:17:12

the main thing that they want to

1:17:14

do. They want us to give them.

1:17:16

And so in order, don't just tell

1:17:18

story that she's brave, like actually look

1:17:20

for ways to because

1:17:23

that's the only way to stay in

1:17:25

the fight, you know, otherwise, you're talking about

1:17:27

a person with unlimited, you

1:17:30

know, and it's ironic because he

1:17:32

complains about all of the same things that

1:17:34

he does to us. Yeah, so

1:17:36

it's very important for your supporters

1:17:38

to make sure that they continue

1:17:40

to financial support, especially, because

1:17:43

I remember there was like nothing,

1:17:45

you know, and that's what he wants

1:17:48

it to be. Thank you, Ava, for

1:17:50

speaking out. Thank you for everything you've done

1:17:52

and hanging in there. And I'm going

1:17:55

to use you as inspiration. And if I

1:17:57

go to jail, you ladies better be out

1:17:59

there. Oh, listen,

1:18:01

I have my book or mail

1:18:04

and I'm coming up with a getaway plan. You

1:18:08

can drive the army. We'll

1:18:11

distract the guards. I

1:18:14

have you. Thank you

1:18:16

so much. Thank you. All

1:18:18

right, take care. That's

1:18:23

all the time we have today. But

1:18:25

I want to thank Alva Johnson for having the courage to

1:18:27

come on this show and share her story. I

1:18:30

know better than anyone that it's not easy with Trump

1:18:32

trolls out there ready to attack. But

1:18:35

Alva refuses to be quiet. And

1:18:37

it's essential that wherever you are, whoever

1:18:40

you are, if something has happened

1:18:42

to you, come forward, speak

1:18:44

your truth. You matter.

1:18:48

Justice isn't just for the rich and the

1:18:50

professional. It's for all of us. Thanks

1:18:52

for listening. Well, that's all

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