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friends and trolls, you are listening to Beyond

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the Norm with Stormy Daniels. Well

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guys, I don't know about you but I can't

0:47

stop thinking about the E.G. and Carol verdict. $83

0:51

million for defamation. Unfucking

0:54

believable. The award was

0:56

based on Trump's denials that he had assaulted

0:58

Carol and numerous other defamatory statements that he

1:01

gave that destroyed the former L Magazine

1:03

advice column his career and exposed her

1:06

to 24-7 barrage of attacks from millions

1:08

of Trump trolls. Not only did

1:10

he say this shit, but he continued to say

1:12

this shit after being found liable for defamation and

1:14

for sexual abuse in May and then

1:16

he continued to repeat this shit after it was found

1:19

to be defamatory. Basically he wouldn't stop

1:21

saying this shit and now the court is spoken

1:23

and Trump has to pay. A lot

1:25

of people think that the money Trump has to pay will somehow

1:27

make up for what Carol endured. Well let me

1:29

tell you, it does not. I

1:31

don't care what anybody says, no amount of money can

1:33

erase what happened. Trust me,

1:35

I get paid to have sex on camera and

1:37

I still shudder at the memory of Donald Trump

1:40

every fucking day. What's worse

1:42

is she didn't ask for any of this shit. The

1:44

woman was just trying to do her job and this

1:46

fuckwad decided it was a good time to bust a

1:48

nut in a Bloomingdale's dressing room. And

1:51

while I'm happy for Carol that she was able to

1:53

exact a measure of justice, I'm

1:56

still also kind of dumbfounded that

1:58

I went through the exact same thing. and

2:00

she gets what she gets and I will potentially

2:02

lose my home. I guess the argument is that

2:04

Carol was an advice columnist and her reputation was

2:07

actually ruined, while I'm over here just being a

2:09

dick sucking porn star. So

2:11

what possible reputation did I have that

2:14

Bora protecting? If that sounds

2:16

crude, so is the idea that my

2:18

rights are less important or less of

2:21

because of what I do and choose to do with

2:23

my body. I know that many of you

2:25

think like this because you tell me what I am

2:27

every single day on Twitter. I've

2:29

heard from a nice fella named Ronnie who wrote

2:31

to me that you got three holes storming two

2:33

of them you can't keep shut. Or

2:35

there's that charming fella Kip Dynamite, such a lovely

2:38

incel he is, who after informing me that Trump

2:40

was my daddy, took the time to say that

2:42

storming is to shut her yap and drop to

2:44

her knees. Which I won't even

2:46

get into logistics of how that doesn't work.

2:49

But anyway, those are just literally two of

2:51

hundreds of threats, taunts, texts, emails, and

2:53

even phone calls sometimes that come through every day

2:55

informing me of what I am and what I

2:57

should do. Sometimes they threaten me personally,

3:00

or they threaten my family. It is

3:02

nonstop every day all day, a constant

3:04

torments of slime directed at me. So

3:07

if you've never been targeted in this manner, then you have

3:09

no idea what it is like. E.

3:11

Jean Carroll knows what it's like because it happened to her

3:14

and it is still happening. Anyone

3:16

who dares to stand up to Trump is

3:18

cast as his enemy and will face an

3:20

army of his trolls. And I'm not

3:23

just talking about the E. Jean Carroll's or

3:25

the Alva Johnson's, but also the attorneys, judges,

3:27

prosecutors, etc. who will face off

3:29

against Trump in the coming months for his attempts to

3:31

subvert the election and other high

3:33

crimes. Trump elevates them as

3:36

his opponents and turns his army

3:38

of trolls against them as a means of intimidation.

3:40

Some real talk, people. If you're counting on

3:43

some Avenger-like group of do-gooders to swoop

3:45

down and save the democracy from the

3:47

plague that is fat ass on Trump,

3:50

I've got a gold giant dildo to

3:52

sell you. Because it ain't fucking happening.

3:55

Trump and his criminal posse of bootlicking fascists

3:57

have succeeded in muddying the criminal cases against

3:59

him. to such a degree that

4:01

what seemed like a slam dunk, that he

4:03

would end up giving blow jobs to bikers from his

4:06

prison cells, now very much in limbo. It

4:08

is likely that the next case to be tried

4:10

inside a courtroom will be the one that kicked

4:12

everything off. It is the

4:14

famous Hush Money case. According

4:17

to the New York Times, state prosecutors in Manhattan

4:19

are gearing up as though they

4:21

will be the first to try to form a

4:23

president on criminal charges for

4:25

covering up the fact that he paid me money to

4:27

keep quiet about the biggest mistake of my life. Keep

4:30

in mind, once again, for

4:32

those in the back, I was not paid

4:34

for sex. I wasn't paid until a decade

4:37

later. I was paid to keep quiet

4:39

and not tell the truth. But

4:42

I digress. Trump is secretly shitting

4:44

his pants about this case because unlike the federal

4:47

cases against him, which he could seek to shut

4:49

down should he win back the presidency, D.A.

4:51

Alvin Bragg's case is immune from

4:53

federal intervention. And in New

4:55

York City, where he is widely hated, Trump would

4:58

not be able to pardon himself. And if convicted,

5:00

he could face up to four years in prison.

5:03

So on one hand, I am being asked

5:05

to safeguard democracy by telling the truth. But

5:07

the truth that I'm about to tell is not

5:09

worth safeguarding by those who refuse to recognize

5:11

my truth and how I was defamed and

5:14

damaged by Trump's denials and defamatory comments.

5:17

It's enough to make you crazy, but I

5:19

refuse to give them the satisfaction. My

5:21

next guest, Kathy Griffin, has gone

5:23

through hell and back at the hands of Donald

5:25

Trump and lived to tell her tale.

5:28

I absolutely love this woman. And

5:30

she has treated me with respect and empathy from

5:32

day one. She knows what

5:34

it is like to face the firing squad and the

5:37

full might of the MAGA machine as it tries to

5:39

destroy you. In 2017,

5:41

Griffin was publicly ostracized for a photo

5:43

shoot in which she held a fake, bloodied,

5:45

and severed head replica of Trump.

5:48

She lost jobs and tearfully apologized at a

5:50

press conference a few days after the photo

5:52

appeared on social media. In

5:55

2019, she released a self-financed film about

5:57

how she was federally investigated for conspiracy.

6:00

to assassinate the president and also

6:02

blacklisted in Hollywood. Now,

6:05

seven years later, Griffin is

6:07

readying her big comeback comedy tour and is

6:09

set to hit the road with her My

6:11

Life on the PTSD list tour.

6:15

A two-time Emmy Award winner and

6:17

cancer survivor, Griffin is fierce and

6:19

funny and she is my friend. Kathy

6:22

Griffin, welcome to Beyond the Norm. Well,

6:25

hello Kathy. Stormy, we're back

6:27

together again. That's

6:29

a really good thing or a really bad thing

6:32

depending on who you are. It's dangerous,

6:34

Stormy. It's dangerous. You know, before we

6:36

get started, I thought, you know, because

6:38

we are friends, I made a

6:40

list of things that

6:43

people don't know about us. I

6:45

gotta hear it. All right. Ten

6:47

things that we have in common.

6:49

Number one, the gays love

6:52

us. Yes. Thank God for

6:54

the gays. Oh, thank God. And the occasional lesbians.

6:56

But not as long as the gay men.

6:59

That's our bread and butter, honey. Number two, our

7:02

dogs are SVU agents. That's right. I love

7:04

Olivia and Elliot. And

7:07

who do you have? Detective Munt and

7:09

Benson. We both have really hot husbands.

7:11

Almost too hot. I'm just going

7:13

to say that. We have been in

7:15

a bathtub together. Well, duh, of course we've been

7:17

in a bathtub together. What's like the

7:19

first thing? When I met you, I

7:21

was like, we can't just take normal pictures. Get in

7:23

my bathtub now. We're both fucking hysterical. A

7:26

riot. And can't even help it. Because we

7:28

light up a gosh darn room. And

7:31

I didn't mean to curse. And we write our

7:33

own material. Always. In fact, I'll

7:36

never understand Canadians that don't write their material. And

7:40

there are some that don't even

7:42

write their own specials. I know. Like

7:44

everybody tries to learn. I stand up there like, oh,

7:46

do you need a writer? Can we help you? I'm

7:48

like, no. You're like, no. I'm

7:51

like, no. I'm like, no. I'm like, no. You're

7:53

like, no, I'm funny. And

7:55

I have a huge personality. And I know how to communicate

7:57

things that are funny and make it accessible for us. And

8:01

I'm going to get in trouble, so I might as well just do it by

8:03

myself. I don't want to incriminate anyone. We

8:05

both done that as well. I'm pretty sure

8:07

that we've both gotten into fights with

8:09

Kardashian. Well, I was

8:11

in fights with the early Kardashians,

8:14

but now I've struck a deal

8:17

with Kim, where I can

8:19

call her a dirty whore as long as I

8:21

want, as long as she can call

8:23

me and get a free comedy concert

8:25

on the phone if she's ever feeling down. And

8:28

she has. Now, what was your thought about? Oh, my

8:30

goodness. A long time ago,

8:32

red carpet, I think

8:35

it was like the 20th anniversary, they

8:37

asked me to take a photo with Kim

8:39

and a publicist with spinner hair, and she gave

8:42

me a dirty look and refused. And I lost

8:44

my temper and said, I'm not the number one

8:46

selling porn DVD this week, honey. That would be

8:48

you. Oh, my God. And then it

8:50

went down the window. Yeah. So,

8:53

that is hilarious. And

8:56

I'm Team Stormy, and she knows I would say

8:58

that. So, I just am. It was a

9:00

long time ago. We both have a wicked

9:02

middle finger. Well, you first

9:05

of all, you've been very, can I

9:07

just say mocking of my middle finger?

9:09

Because I don't have the muscle control

9:11

you have. So, my

9:13

middle finger has to be supported

9:15

by my thumb, and you're able

9:17

to, you're like a gymnast

9:19

with your middle finger. You do it. It's

9:22

a statement. You don't even need

9:24

the help of the other finger. It's just middle

9:26

finger. Take it, America.

9:29

Oh, so much I could say, but I won't. And

9:33

for the one that everybody is probably

9:35

expecting, we both have

9:37

kind of been involved with the D. We've

9:39

been involved with the D in

9:42

different ways. But this

9:44

is PTSD, your new

9:46

tour, and the D list, your

9:48

show, and mine is, well, all the ones I've

9:50

sat on. Exactly. And God

9:52

love you for every single one of them. Your

9:55

national treasure, international treasure. And yes, I

9:57

am kind of proud of the tour

9:59

title. I've been through some shit,

10:01

especially in the last few years,

10:04

but starting with the Trump

10:12

photo scandal and, you

10:15

know, prescription addiction, going

10:18

there and some cancer and ups and

10:20

downs, but I'm just grateful to be back

10:22

on tour. Now, how are you? Are you

10:24

on the road or staying at home or

10:26

what? Well,

10:29

that's a tricky subject. I

10:33

wrapped up my

10:35

shows for the year and I

10:37

am in talks to get something going next,

10:39

but we all know that I have that

10:42

trial coming up and the dates

10:46

could change. They cannot change. I've been asked

10:48

to kind of behave,

10:51

but you know how I'm biting my tongue so

10:53

fucking hard right now. Can

10:55

you tell? So hard. So difficult.

11:00

So I guess we'll just get into it. Why

11:02

not? I'm going to get myself in trouble anyway. But.

11:06

Okay. Can I ask

11:08

one state your trial is in? Yes. Okay.

11:12

Oh, you're SDNY. I'm sorry. What am I

11:14

talking about? You have a famous year. One

11:16

of the two

11:19

women who were the

11:21

first and forefront, the other being Eugene Carroll,

11:24

to hold Trump accountable in

11:27

a criminal court of law.

11:30

And that's one of the other reasons you have

11:32

a place, a place of honor

11:34

in history. And I'm not blowing smoke. I really

11:36

mean that. I hope they take a

11:38

good picture of me for the textbooks, but I'm

11:40

sure they won't. Send them a good

11:42

airbrush one. I am

11:44

struggling so hard to be good because I was told

11:46

to be good moving forward. But you know what? Fuck

11:49

it. You know,

11:51

you and I both like lost so

11:53

much. And by standing

11:55

up and speaking out and, you know,

11:57

for you, first amendment, all of that.

12:00

stuff and looking back like

12:02

I get asked all the time do I regret it. Me

12:05

too. What is your answer?

12:07

I don't Stormy. I don't

12:09

really. Is that thing you would do different? No

12:12

because that's why I fucking

12:15

love you bitch. No because he

12:18

he was as horrible as I

12:20

was trying to ring the bell

12:22

especially to women and

12:24

say this guy's gonna take away

12:26

your civil rights he's not playing

12:28

around and our First Amendment

12:31

rights were truly violated by

12:35

the federal government meaning it came from the Oval

12:37

Office in both of our cases and

12:39

people throw around that term a lot

12:41

you know my First Amendment rights were

12:44

violated they don't understand it really applies

12:46

to the government it doesn't mean to

12:48

a private company or citizen and

12:50

you know it was it

12:54

was important that we speak out and

12:56

I remember what a big deal

12:59

it was and how they had to keep

13:01

putting off your I think it was your

13:03

60 minutes interview um just

13:05

a little bit not not too bad you

13:08

know one they kept putting off because they

13:10

were more afraid of lawsuits from him that

13:12

might be the documentary which still doesn't have

13:14

an air date but hopefully it's coming out

13:18

by March because I think that there's a

13:20

lot of stuff in that documentary that will help my

13:22

case a lot of interviews and things like that you

13:25

know like you just showed me the

13:27

trailer for your documentary and it looks

13:29

like it's gonna do just that and I'm super excited

13:31

and I know it's gonna see the light of day

13:33

and in fact the last time I

13:36

ran into Judd Apatow I said

13:38

thank you for doing right by my girl

13:40

Stormy because the world needs to really get

13:42

to know her and see her and how

13:44

hard she works and what she sacrificed I

13:47

just had this overwhelming fear that like

13:49

it's not gonna happen like something's gonna

13:51

stop it you know and I

13:53

just can't get over that because it keeps getting pushed back and

13:55

I keep getting shut down and I've had my

13:58

voice taken so many times and I just... just,

14:00

you know, I'm so afraid because Trump

14:02

continues to plan or, you know, defame

14:05

me, like, you know, no,

14:09

and also let's let's be really honest, because

14:11

we are both friends with her. But I

14:13

can say it, even if you can't, we

14:16

are on a text chain with Eugene Carroll and

14:19

Mary Trump. It's a text chain I'm very proud

14:21

of. But let's face it,

14:23

Trump said, almost word for

14:25

word the same things about

14:28

you, as he said about

14:30

Eugene, and she won

14:32

her defamation case, although she had

14:35

a literal sexual

14:37

assault in the dressing room of

14:39

a department store. But

14:43

it shows your story shows so

14:45

much how the justice system is

14:47

so skewed against women.

14:50

Because in my opinion, things

14:53

didn't go my way, Mary Trim's

14:55

way, and your way,

14:58

because she's an Adam proud

15:00

lesbian, you're the porn

15:02

girl, I'm the obnoxious,

15:04

controversial comic. And, you

15:07

know, we got to kind of thank Eugene for

15:09

being even though she's

15:11

strong as hell, she's a frail looking

15:13

little older gal. And thank

15:15

God that Jerry went her way. So I think

15:18

the tide is already

15:20

turning for you. I know that

15:23

about public discourse, etc. But

15:26

I want to see some judgments go your way.

15:29

Yeah, but see, that's the difference. Eugene got her

15:31

day in court, and they won't give me mine.

15:34

Like, Oh, I'm I'm I

15:37

get it, man, because I have a

15:39

case, I've had four maga people sue

15:41

me since the Trump photo incident. So

15:43

I've been in cases in federal court

15:45

in Kentucky, state court in Kentucky, LA

15:48

superior. And I have a

15:50

case now in Tennessee federal

15:52

court. And I just want to know

15:54

about that one. Yeah, there

15:56

was a viral video of the CEO and

15:59

he was harassed. a trans kid at

16:01

their prom photo shoot. So

16:03

I tweeted about it, the guy got fired

16:05

and now he's suing me for getting him

16:07

fired. But, they

16:09

got himself fired. Of course he did. And

16:12

so- But going back to, I mean, I

16:14

hope you get to, to, you know, have

16:16

your day and prove all of

16:18

that, but I'm just so

16:20

tired and so angry, you

16:22

know, because going back to EJ, and yeah, like

16:24

she, she got on the stand and

16:26

she held her own and she won. And I'm so

16:29

happy for her, you know, but the-

16:31

It should have happened for you too. They

16:34

wouldn't even take it. I know. And

16:36

you're right. It was about the same three sentences.

16:39

He called her a con job, a whack job,

16:42

liar. Yeah. The same

16:44

three things he said about me and they tossed mine

16:46

out and she got, she did win, which as she

16:48

should have, but- So should you

16:51

have. And also correct me if

16:53

I'm wrong. And if you, if you can't

16:55

talk about this, I understand. Didn't you lose

16:57

a financial judgment to the Donald? Yeah,

17:00

repeatedly. He was awarded,

17:02

well, see that's the common misconception is

17:04

that I lost to him. They just

17:06

didn't want to hear the

17:08

case. You know, they said because he could say whatever

17:10

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17:13

was famous. So they automatically awarded attorneys

17:15

fees. He didn't get a penny for me. That's,

17:18

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17:20

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17:22

don't owe him anything. I was attorney fees, but

17:24

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17:26

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17:28

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19:27

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19:31

think mine are actually brilliant. But I'm

19:33

still, I just have to tell you, I'm so

19:36

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19:39

not a legit non-Michael

19:41

Avenatti, but a legit really

19:43

good lawyer that will do you pro bono. I

19:46

think it's frankly, I do have one Clark Brewster and

19:48

he is amazing. He's won every case that he has

19:52

tried for me. Um,

19:54

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20:01

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20:03

know it's hard for you to talk about, but

20:05

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20:07

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20:10

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20:12

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20:14

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a legitimate candidate for the

20:18

next president, Michael fucking

20:20

Avenatti, to prod

20:23

you to the point that he is

20:25

in prison as we speak. I

20:28

can't get over that one, honey. I

20:31

think that is... I mean, it's

20:34

horrible and I'll never see that money either.

20:37

Of course not. Of course not. And

20:39

that guy with his private jets and

20:41

race cars, like, I

20:43

just, I want somebody to come in and save the

20:46

day for you in a way that, I don't know

20:48

what it looks like, but you

20:50

deserve a break and

20:52

you deserve all the kudos, but you also

20:54

deserve to make a living like a normal

20:57

American. Well, I can't

20:59

say enough great things about Clark Brewster.

21:01

Like he has done everything, but he

21:04

tried to get them to take it. He fought as hard

21:06

as he could and he had to try

21:08

a case that they won't take. And

21:11

we really thought the Supreme Court was going to

21:13

take it. We just couldn't believe that they

21:15

shot it down. So of

21:18

course that just racks up those bills.

21:20

Do you think

21:22

that, because I get asked this a lot, so you

21:24

must. Do you think that if

21:26

Trump wins again, he'll come after you again? I

21:29

don't know. His followers definitely vote.

21:31

I mean, I don't know.

21:33

Some days I think so, but I like to think

21:36

with over 90 of his

21:38

indictments, he has better things to

21:40

do, but I don't know. But

21:42

remember if he wins, all those indictments

21:44

go away overnight. If

21:48

none of the criminal cases see

21:51

a resolution prior to the

21:53

election and he

21:55

wins on January 20, 2025, they all go away.

22:00

I mean, he's come out and said it. And

22:03

luckily my court date is March 25, 2024. Well,

22:08

he better not delay it. Has he been delaying stuff?

22:11

Tried, but not

22:13

allowed. But he continues to lie about me. That's

22:15

the thing is that he

22:18

said recently that he only met me for 30 seconds.

22:20

He didn't know me. I'm a liar. I

22:23

made it all up. But I have all these witnesses that

22:26

saw him. I

22:28

met somebody when I was in Trump Tower and we

22:30

got a fair interview. Oh, it's boring.

22:33

Stormy, just don't even stir. Because

22:36

it makes me sad because I do this same

22:38

thing all day where I have to go like,

22:40

no, I wasn't really going to kill him. I

22:42

met him a million times. He

22:44

hired me twice. Blah, blah, blah. He

22:46

hired me to roast him one time on The

22:48

Apprentice. He paid me $50,000. You

22:51

know, like he knew my gig. It

22:55

is scary to me how many

22:58

of my friends when I'm just kind

23:00

of asking around in a casual way

23:03

think that Trump has an overwhelming chance

23:05

of winning again. Yeah,

23:08

I mean, the polls

23:10

are scary. And there is no law

23:13

that says even if he does get

23:15

convicted that he can't be president from jail,

23:17

which to me is craziness.

23:19

But you know, I

23:21

mean, this. This

23:24

SCOTUS is all about it, man. Like, I think

23:27

they went right from that family

23:29

for breakfast to the Federal Society

23:31

to George Conway's house right to

23:33

the Supreme Court. And

23:35

they're not playing. And I say that because like

23:37

I said, I have this case in Tennessee

23:39

that is very cut and dried.

23:42

And yet two of the three panel of

23:45

judges on the Sixth Circuit, you

23:48

know, they I lost one emotion only,

23:50

but they basically cited

23:52

that, yeah, the guy did get fired

23:55

because of me. And

23:57

so now I go back to the trial court in

23:59

Tennessee. And as you know,

24:01

these Trumpers, they like to appeal and appeal

24:03

and appeal because that's how

24:05

Trump is and that's all he talks about.

24:07

So he's all about gaming the court system.

24:11

Just dragging it out. Yes, and

24:13

spending people to death. I

24:16

mean, yeah, that's what happened, you

24:18

know, recently with me. They served

24:21

my husband for

24:25

the house, which has nothing to do with me. It's

24:28

his black community property. Actually, he doesn't even own

24:30

it. The bank owns it. It's a mortgage and

24:32

tried to say that it was ours. It cost him $5,000 to

24:34

get an attorney. Like it's just... I

24:37

mean, they do that stuff like nothing. Like people don't

24:39

know the half of it. So,

24:42

you know, when... The money is just

24:44

crazy. The money that

24:46

it takes to fight and stand out for yourself is just crazy,

24:48

which is why a lot of people don't do it. And

24:51

also, you and I know you have

24:53

to get good people. You can't just

24:55

hire any old lawyer or somebody,

24:57

two seconds out of law school.

24:59

Like my lawyers are good lawyers

25:02

and they are expensive. But I

25:04

have a team in New York. I

25:07

have my Tennessee attorney. I have my Kentucky attorney.

25:09

I have my Los Angeles attorneys. And

25:11

they're no joke. And so, you

25:14

know, you and I have had to learn way

25:17

too much about the... First of all, can we just

25:19

have a laugh? Like, did you ever

25:21

think... No joke at that.

25:23

My girl, yeah. Did you ever think we

25:25

would be in court multiple times? Well,

25:27

no, of course not, especially for this. And I...

25:30

Because of the President of

25:32

the United States. It's

25:35

absurd. Stormy, I still

25:37

have days where I can't believe this happened to us.

25:40

I can't believe it. It's insanity.

25:43

It's infertility. And I

25:45

would never thought that like Kathy Griffin and

25:47

Stormy Daniels would be on like this weird

25:50

trajectory that's similar. You know, I... And

25:53

Mary Trump has been there with us. She's

25:55

lost some judges. And,

25:58

you know, I love Mary. and she's

26:00

threatening, she's a whipsmart lesbian and

26:02

that does not play into their

26:04

narrative. And, you know, I

26:06

think it's important, it's tough for us to keep

26:08

speaking up because like you said, we're naughty girls

26:11

and we get in trouble, but if

26:13

we're not gonna do it, honey, nobody else

26:15

did. That's what's so amazing

26:17

about you giving your interview and

26:19

you exposing him the way that you did

26:22

is nobody else was gonna do it,

26:24

Stormy. And that's why you

26:26

are literally a role model and you

26:28

are, you know, the term badass woman

26:31

gets thrown around too much. You really,

26:33

really are. And you've kept, you haven't

26:35

just kept your obsessive humor. You've gotten

26:38

funnier, you're a comedian now. So

26:40

there's one good thing, but you are a lesson

26:43

and I'm proud to be a friend. I

26:45

am so grateful for you. Like you

26:47

were stuck by me and... Look, I

26:50

don't know that there's

26:53

not some chance of you getting a

26:55

financial settlement from somebody on his team

26:58

or somebody in one of these super PACs that

27:00

supports them. I just

27:02

think there's so much shady money business that

27:05

my wish for you is to

27:07

somehow set the table

27:10

so that somebody from the vicious

27:12

Trump wood chipper has to

27:14

write you a check. Like they

27:16

have to write one for E.G. Which

27:18

by the way, let's see if E.G. never sees a

27:21

penny, by the way. But

27:24

no, you should, for me, you're

27:26

entitled to a big ass check as well as

27:28

having a life. You're an American citizen. It's

27:30

more important, I just want it to be known that

27:32

I didn't lie, that I'm not a liar. Nobody

27:35

thinks you're a liar. You

27:38

reek of honesty. The

27:41

winner is a listen, you need a name, you're

27:43

a stone, you just gave me a name, you're

27:45

too distant, I've never seen any of your films.

27:48

I love that you frickin' direct them and

27:50

everything. But everybody knows you're not a

27:52

liar, that's why you're such a threat.

27:55

And even the jury in the Avenatti

27:57

case, even though it's separate and there

27:59

wasn't a... pale, they knew

28:01

you were telling the truth. Everybody

28:03

knows you're not a liar. That's why they're so

28:06

scared of you. I'm

28:08

honestly a fault, apparently. So

28:11

let's get to like... I'm a fault. You're honest at

28:13

the most important time in American

28:15

history. You went up

28:18

against a fascist. You

28:20

are a porn girl who

28:22

went up against a fascist. And

28:26

you came out of it. I

28:28

know it's hard, and that sounds

28:30

traumatizing as shit, but you are

28:33

a survivor and a thriver. And I

28:37

won't get in your personal life because I know this

28:39

stuff we can't reveal, but I know the things

28:41

in your life that make you happy. And,

28:44

you know, when

28:46

I just tell people I even met

28:49

you one time, they're like doing

28:51

cartwheels, much if I tell them about

28:53

the adventures we've had together and how

28:55

much I trust you and how much I know

28:58

you're a good girl. Girls, gee,

29:00

you are a girl, by the way.

29:02

But anyway, you know, you're going

29:04

to keep going through this, and

29:06

we'll see what the future holds. And I think

29:09

when your thought comes out, I think things are

29:11

going to turn around for you in a big

29:13

way. And I know it's frustrating waiting for that,

29:15

but look, at least you have them coming

29:18

out. Like, that's good. That's

29:20

very true. And I got great energy. I

29:22

mean, they got some

29:24

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29:30

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30:04

I mean, so tell me like you, how

30:08

did you pull yourself out of it? Like

30:10

you're back on stage, like six

30:12

years later, like you were, you were pretty fucking

30:15

canceled. I mean, I

30:17

was like the most canceled of anybody in

30:19

showbiz. Like I was the

30:21

poster child for cancel. And also

30:23

remember with you and I, it

30:25

wasn't like just Trumpers turned

30:27

on us. It was

30:29

the department of justice. And

30:32

you're being called into the freaking SDNY. And

30:36

yeah, well, I remember I had 17 false

30:38

charges put on my FBI record. I got stopped

30:40

at the border. Uh, I remember

30:42

you calling me. And do you remember when I was

30:44

on the no fly list? Yeah.

30:47

So you and I were treated like

30:50

members of ISIS. They were

30:52

trying to tell me that

30:54

my photo would inspire multiple

30:57

beheadings of American service

30:59

members. And then I was the queen of

31:02

ISIS. And that message came directly

31:04

from the oval office. I got

31:06

a whole freedom of information act about it. And

31:09

so you and I have lived the

31:11

lengths they will go to. So

31:13

I'm just so grateful to be

31:16

back touring again. Like I'll be

31:18

honest, I'm making like a

31:20

third of the money I made last time.

31:23

And I think it's just part of being

31:25

a woman in this business, but I don't

31:27

care. I'm going to be so happy. Hello,

31:29

Des Moines. Hello, Omaha. Hello,

31:31

Terry, Tom. I mean, I'm going

31:33

everywhere. And yeah, I saw how many dates

31:35

do you have? Like it's like 40, 40, 40, 40. I

31:41

know. I know. And

31:43

I want your listeners to know that on my last

31:45

tour six long years ago, I actually,

31:48

you came to see me

31:50

in Boston. And

31:52

I was very worried about your security and

31:54

you had lots of security. Which is good.

31:57

But when I announced to the audience that you were

31:59

there. I don't think you're awfully already

32:01

gone down backstage by then. But

32:03

they were so excited to

32:05

be the building was Stormy

32:08

Daniel. They were just so.

32:11

So. Thrilled! You are like

32:13

supported me in that way and

32:15

it was just meaningful so I

32:17

know and you're probably sick of hearing

32:19

at the like. Honestly, women are

32:21

looking at you. And they're

32:23

watching. And it's not just poor

32:26

girls in such. As girls the

32:28

wanted to live and it's not

32:30

just girls that are honest in

32:32

our wages, it's a lot of

32:35

women are watching as I am

32:37

not out by you so it's

32:39

of I struggle and the last

32:42

six years. You. Know

32:44

like a says fucking cancer in an

32:46

altered my boys and I'm a stand

32:48

up comedy. I and I have like

32:50

a high pitched voice but I'd have

32:52

another one. I just fell off. One

32:56

of the first as you losing your

32:58

was built like a one my tits

33:00

fell off. Will you need your teeth?

33:02

Stormy? don't you mess with them and

33:04

so on. You. Know it's it's

33:07

it's been a mind of it's

33:09

been more than anything. To

33:13

make sure you're sure to

33:15

saying where I'm. When.

33:17

I'm to one other thing since January

33:19

six hearings and Ruby Freeman and Shamos

33:22

testified about how science and they are.

33:24

If there if they run into a

33:26

friendly maybe at the grocery store at

33:29

a mall and someone says their name

33:31

wild. Life I get

33:33

scared of. Some a good. Mood

33:37

I. Don't know who's america percent

33:39

of them all? I don't know.

33:41

I've been confronted on the street

33:43

Many times I've been confronted with

33:46

a nice i know you have

33:48

these stories. So. Where are

33:50

the path train of like? Fear

33:52

of just like people recognizing you

33:54

are who's a mega. In the room?

33:56

And who isn't. Of

33:59

like so. Good. I'm

34:01

good that I had to carry the hell for

34:03

years and I thought they were pretty over the

34:05

top. Honestly, I had p by myself for like

34:07

two years. And. Then own and

34:10

quieted down and I moved. And

34:12

than the a diamond happened. And

34:15

somebody thought my a horse and might.

34:17

Be. Were climate is like crazy

34:19

again. And. And receive.

34:23

Only recently I started having

34:25

basically like candidates hacks. Yeah.

34:29

Know. And I don't really know. What

34:31

I'm gonna. I shouldn't say this to my not

34:33

a doctor. Pdf

34:35

he was only for. See

34:38

what I know? So I didn't say it

34:40

for alleged. Within three years.

34:42

but the stormy we use we

34:45

have Ptsd. It's okay to like

34:47

say it. And.

34:49

I'm sure like me you get

34:51

the shakes weird times as you

34:53

don't need only look Now started

34:55

happening. Like. Were canceled. My. Hands

34:58

are I see having like says pay them like

35:00

I don't want to go anywhere and them. Were.

35:02

Just in case of getting closer you

35:05

know the I guess that's what is

35:07

it on a means of. I never

35:09

felt of it's not like it just

35:11

happened either one of his yesterday so

35:13

it's like an accumulation of year of

35:15

like walking around with his and it's

35:18

like what's the craziest thing somebody over

35:20

said he likes of as a matter

35:22

person like in an airport on the

35:24

street or something. Oh my gosh, I'm.

35:27

That they news this and that

35:29

things about my daughter. But. I

35:31

like where he was and that she would

35:33

be better off being euthanized. Does.

35:37

Does our part for me as the people

35:39

around me suffering like I was doing well

35:42

but now they're like coming after my husband's

35:44

house and he doesn't deserve. And.

35:46

You know my daughter's getting older. And.

35:50

For our father. My. My

35:52

ex. Just got fired from his

35:54

job two weeks ago for they found out

35:56

he. Is to be married to me. Like

35:59

women Together. Yeah, they used to

36:01

call my mom at her retirement home

36:03

and it would just she was kind

36:06

of getting the beginnings of dementia anyway,

36:08

but it terrorized her terrorized

36:10

her and I'm like, how did

36:13

they get my mother's phone number

36:15

at her return? I know it. They

36:18

didn't get anything. Like I said, my ex

36:20

just got fired two weeks ago from a

36:22

job he loved that he passed a background

36:24

check, got promotions, got raises, everything was great.

36:27

He got called in, thought he was for

36:29

like just a regular meeting and they fired

36:31

him because of me. Unreal.

36:35

And he devastated. People don't know. They

36:38

don't know or I don't

36:41

know about you, but like I

36:43

get a lot, I had a lot of

36:45

people on my own team by that, I

36:47

mean, liberals in my own industry that totally

36:49

thought I deserved at the beginning. Like

36:51

it's taken them years to be like,

36:54

oh, maybe Kathy shouldn't have been

36:56

blacklisted for six years because she

36:58

took a picture. And I would

37:00

gather that in your case, there were

37:02

probably people that thought, oh, well, she doesn't point anyway.

37:05

Like, oh, whatever. Oh, the

37:07

wildest thing is the sex workers,

37:09

like the escorts, like a

37:12

lot of them are angry at me because they think

37:14

I slipped on a john. I'm like, that's not what

37:16

happened. I wasn't escorting. If there was a consensual business

37:18

arrangement, this wouldn't happen. Like of

37:20

course I wouldn't do that. That would

37:22

be consensual business arrangement. But

37:25

there's so much misinformation, they think that I went to

37:27

his room and got paid to sleep with him that

37:29

it was a job that

37:32

other escorts are

37:34

out there and they're like pissed and like, oh, your

37:37

cost does work. Well, now we can't get any businessmen

37:39

because they think we're all going to pull a store

37:41

me and rat out our client. And I'm like, he

37:43

wasn't a client. Like that's all happened. See,

37:46

is was that the hardest sort of group of

37:48

people that you felt like, oh my God, even

37:50

they turned on me. Yeah,

37:53

that was a little shocking. I'm like, really?

37:55

Yeah. Yeah. Me

37:57

too with comics. I was like, serious.

38:00

Seriously, like think of the most ten

38:02

famous comics you can even think of

38:04

like not one Not

38:06

one of them lifted a finger. They could

38:08

have given me five lines in a movie

38:11

They could have put me on that television show

38:13

one time Maybe I could have

38:15

been on SNL like you got to be

38:18

which was a great thing for you I

38:20

think it humanized super people and it showed

38:22

your funny and in my case It's like

38:25

I hate to say it but the comedy community was

38:27

like fuck her man Like fuck

38:29

her and that's been like hard,

38:32

you know, I Got

38:35

I gotta say this you're you're a comic and

38:37

I think you're fabulous. I've seen your shows Don't

38:39

don't take this the wrong way, but fuck comics

38:41

man when I started They

38:45

were so vicious to me like

38:48

so vicious Well, and then since

38:50

the guys are whipping their dick out of rubbing it

38:52

against you Would you like to see my

38:54

wristwatch? No, I've seen your

38:56

wristwatch sir Look,

38:58

this is a female comic. They were

39:00

so nasty like oh, I'm coming into

39:03

their territory I'm like if you want to come do

39:05

some porno. I'll happily help everybody

39:09

Yeah, I'm like what they're like stay in your lane.

39:11

I'm like, oh I Know

39:15

I got that from comedians saying well

39:17

her taking the picture wasn't her

39:19

staying in her lane Even though

39:21

there's a whole legacy of comedians

39:24

Protesting against presidents making fun of

39:27

presidents doing effigies about presidents. I

39:29

mean I was hardly the first

39:31

and so there's even there's

39:34

even believe it or not, there's a legacy

39:36

of comedy about Decapitations

39:39

there's a movie with David Spade called eight heads

39:41

in a double bag There's a movie

39:43

called death becomes her with Meryl Streep where

39:45

she and Billy long get decapitated

39:47

like I think both of those

39:49

movies Yeah, and nobody was

39:51

on the no-fly list for those movies Yeah,

39:55

I was shocked at how nasty the comic for it

39:57

to me. I'm like Except

40:00

two, two. You reached out, you were

40:02

awesome and ten meadows of

40:05

everybody. Like, you were... Wow!

40:07

I love to hear that. Yeah,

40:09

he was really fantastic, but everybody else was

40:12

straight up assholes. Isn't

40:14

that funny? Like, I just... Having

40:17

been through this, I can't ditch somebody

40:19

like that. Like, look, I'm

40:21

not gonna reach out to somebody that's frickin' sexually

40:24

assaulted somebody, but like, if I see somebody,

40:26

and I don't even know

40:28

them, but I see this kind of

40:30

thing swirling around them, and now, like,

40:33

I will frickin' try to find that

40:35

person and be like, like, Rudy Giuliani's

40:37

daughter. She's a lesbian, she's outspoken

40:40

against him. I'm like, girl, I am

40:42

here, it ain't easy. Sorry

40:45

your dad's crazy. I get it, he's

40:47

your dad. You know, like, don't

40:49

you feel like you kinda... Like,

40:52

those people are on our radar now. Absolutely.

40:56

You can't not, you know, you think about others

40:58

because we went through it. So

41:01

are you nervous to get back out there? I

41:04

mean, you know what's funny? I just don't

41:06

mention Trump in my new show at all,

41:08

and it's not because I'm scared. I

41:10

just have... I have

41:13

seen shows in the studio. I also

41:15

made a whole movie about it called Cat the Grap in

41:17

a Hell of a Story. Like, if you

41:19

wanna know the graphic details, there's a movie. And

41:22

I just... Look, if

41:24

he does something really crazy that day, I

41:26

might comment, but I am

41:29

so excited to, like, have this

41:31

new show. It's two hours

41:33

of all new shit. I've

41:35

literally only done four shows so

41:38

far, two in Vegas. Got

41:40

a standing ovation each time. I

41:43

love it. Yes, and

41:45

I was so thrilled that you came,

41:47

and Sia came, and I

41:50

made Sia... I put her on the spot

41:52

and made her sing Shandler from the audience.

41:55

I was right next to her, and I was just like, oh, God,

41:57

I hope this bitch doesn't make me do my talent. Well,

42:01

if I call on you honey, get ready.

42:04

It's showtime. But everybody

42:06

was so excited to meet you at

42:08

the little after party and I don't

42:11

even like, I don't have after parties.

42:13

I'm not fucking Dave Chappelle, but that

42:15

night was so special with you coming

42:17

and Sia and it being Vegas. Like

42:20

it was, it got me

42:22

really excited about this tour. So I'm not saying

42:24

they're all going to be that like magical with

42:26

like celebs in the audience, but I feel

42:28

I'm feeling more confident about

42:31

the material and look honey, I went to

42:33

Paris Hilton's Christmas party last week that gave

42:35

me a whole new half hour alone. It

42:37

was heaven. Oh my God. I can't even

42:39

imagine. Exactly. So you gotta come see me

42:42

to hear those stories too. But

42:44

yeah, it's, it's, I mean,

42:46

I don't know about you. Like, do you talk

42:48

about Trump in your stuff? No,

42:50

no, no. I've done

42:52

like 30 sold out comedy shows

42:55

and I love how mad people get because

42:57

they think that that's all I have to

42:59

talk about. And then they try not to

43:02

laugh, but I'm actually pretty funny. And

43:04

then by the end, they're like, so

43:06

angry that I did a whole 45 or 55

43:09

minute show without talking

43:11

about Trump. And they're

43:13

mad at themselves for laughing because they're

43:15

like, wait, she's the absolute best. You

43:18

have to see my show sometime. I

43:20

insist. Of course I will whenever you want.

43:23

But you're, you're unexpected. And that's why

43:25

I love about you is that's why

43:28

we're going to, I'm sorry, but we're going

43:30

to keep watching you. And I'm not saying

43:32

you have to be this freaking shining example.

43:34

You're human, but it's kind

43:36

of dazzling to watch you go through the

43:38

stuff stormy. And then you've got this big

43:40

case coming up and when the

43:42

doc comes out, people are going to celebrate

43:44

you. Now, do you get this? Do you

43:47

get, cause I always crack up because no one's done it to

43:49

me. Boy, I hope

43:51

you're not taking back any of those people

43:54

that are apologizing. Nobody's fucking apologized

43:56

to me. You know what? I got the apology.

43:58

I want it. I got Michael Cohen. Ohhhh...

44:03

I think it's a no-tay, isn't that a

44:05

riot? So weird, right? It

44:07

is so... weird.

44:09

I did his panel when he came out today

44:11

to do his podcast in LA, and

44:14

like, of course we hit it

44:16

off. Because once you take the Trump out

44:18

of him, he's like a

44:20

New York Zoo, you can bust his bones.

44:23

He's on a mission. He now,

44:26

he's like one of the

44:28

only cult members that like woke up in

44:30

a big way by going to fucking

44:32

federal prison. And also, his

44:36

First Amendment rights were truly violated

44:38

by Bill Barr and Sarah. Absolutely.

44:40

Yeah. So like, now that we're

44:42

all friends, I think it's hysterical.

44:44

Alright, Lancer, so much heavy stuff.

44:46

Let's end on like a positive

44:48

good news. Okay, good. Take

44:50

a few shows, tell us all of the things. Okay,

44:53

first of all, watch me

44:55

on TikTok, Instagram, threads.

44:58

Go to kathygriffin.com. You

45:00

can even get tickets on TikTok now. 40

45:03

cities. I am coming to your town. This

45:06

first go-round, I'm not even doing New

45:08

York, LA. You see all the big

45:10

ones. I'm doing all what they call

45:12

the secondary markets. So all of you

45:14

that have been on my team from

45:16

the beginning, thank you, thank you,

45:19

thank you. And when you said, yeah,

45:21

but will you ever come to Omaha? Oh,

45:24

I'm coming. Will you come to

45:26

Des Moines? Yep, I'll be there. Will

45:28

you come to Kansas City? I certainly

45:30

will. So I'm going to all

45:32

those places that I can't wait. And I,

45:34

you know, I like to change up my

45:36

material, even show to show. So

45:38

I'll mix it up and make it fun. And

45:40

I just want people to laugh. It's going to

45:42

be a crazy election year. I want

45:45

them to know they can come to my show. I

45:47

don't do crowdwalk work. I don't pick on

45:50

you in the audience. You can relax. I'm

45:52

just going to, well, if you see, I might

45:54

make you sing. Or if you're you, I might want

45:56

to see your butthole. But otherwise you can relax. So

45:58

I'll be sure that I'm fresh. watch. Well, I

46:00

assume if you need an opener for

46:02

any of those, please let me know.

46:04

Well, I had your home. I would

46:06

love to fluff for you. Oh, I

46:08

love it. My dream. Oh, my

46:10

God. So this is kind of funny. We

46:13

are doing this, uh, ask the stormy thing

46:17

and I have three questions if you want

46:19

to help me. They're pretty funny. Somebody asked,

46:22

uh, Gargor 86 said,

46:25

would you do a porn movie with Ted

46:27

Cruz if it meant Trump would get convicted

46:30

on one of his many crimes and go to jail for

46:32

at least 10 years? I absolutely would, but

46:34

I get to pick the strap on. God,

46:36

you're so good. I didn't even think of that.

46:38

I was just an automatic. Yes. And I love

46:41

him. And I was just an automatic. Yes. See,

46:44

you know how to put those things in your contract that

46:46

I don't, you'd have to help me with that

46:48

Ted Cruz thing. Oh,

46:50

here's the one. Oh, this one's gonna get

46:52

us in trouble. Go ahead. Mary, Mary fuck

46:54

kill Margie Taylor Green.

46:57

That's Rogan. Matt Gates. Wait,

47:01

Seth Rogen? Yeah, obviously, Mary. I love

47:03

him. I know. Like, I like stuff

47:05

broken. Okay, wait, who do I kill?

47:08

Mary? Margie Taylor Green and who?

47:11

Matt Gates. Oh, boy. Okay.

47:13

Oh, gosh. I've married that

47:15

broken. That's easy. I guess

47:18

I guess I've met Matt Gates just

47:20

because I'm straight. I guess I told

47:22

Margie Green. What about you? Oh,

47:25

the opposite. Because we all know she's a

47:27

nasty freak. So yeah, she

47:29

probably smells bad. She looks like she

47:31

smells bad. Yeah, but we

47:34

know she's freaky though. She's, she's wild.

47:36

Oh, of course, of course. The

47:38

more like evangelical Jesus they are, the breakers

47:41

here. Oh my goodness. Okay.

47:43

Okay. That's enough. I'm not even reading my things.

47:48

So text it to me. Oh, I will.

47:52

So thank you, Kathy.

47:54

Sorry for the technical troubles today. And

47:57

I hope you had a fantastic holiday and all.

48:00

of that stuff and good

48:02

luck with your shows. I'm going to surprise you at

48:05

a couple. I'm going to text your hotness. I'm going

48:07

to send you the whole sketch and then just come

48:09

to one that's nearby if you're in town or whatever.

48:11

But we'll hook up at some point on the road.

48:13

You know that. Oh, for sure. It's me. You will

48:15

call me next time you're coming to LA and I

48:18

will have another dinner in your honor. Oh,

48:20

will there be singing and dancing again? Well,

48:23

remember you have... Well, I'm happy I haven't seen you in

48:25

your bathtub. We

48:27

can be in the bathtub again. We

48:29

can be in the jacuzzi. Remember Jennifer

48:32

Lewis from Black as she's saying, Stormy Weather

48:34

to you. We'll see who I can get to

48:36

serenade you. But you know, I'm going to turn it up.

48:38

I know how to do a Stormy dinner

48:40

party. I'm so ready for it. That's

48:48

all we have time for today. Stay tuned

48:50

next week for a special episode of Beyond

48:52

the Norm where we delve into the Pentagon

48:54

conspiracy to bury evidence that proved the existence

48:56

of UFOs. We

48:59

have New York Times reporter Ralph Blim