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Welcome to the Delta Flyers

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Journey Through the Wormhole with

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Your hosts today are my fellow Trek

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patron today. Hello, Armin and

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Robbie. Hello, Garrett. Hello, Garrett.

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What a sweet introduction. Thank you.

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What's going on in the world of

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Armin Schimerman today or this last week?

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Anything crazy? Yeah, actually,

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Kitty and I just booked a cruise to Greece.

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You found the right one? You found the

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right one. We found the right one. We're

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having a little problems with airfares. Not

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that the cruise only has so

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many flights that you can take

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and we don't make any of them. So

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we're trying to find some sort

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of arrangement so that we can get to Greece. Everything

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else is taken care of. So we're looking forward

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to we're going to do that in what in

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October for my 75th birthday. Thank

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you very much. Oh, gosh. And

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my wife's 70th birthday. Good

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for you guys. Are you doing

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is this cruise like one of those

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adventure you had mentioned maybe it's kind

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of National Geographic style. We're

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not using National Geographic although they were really

1:35

quite good. But what

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is it? It's

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here somewhere. I can't remember

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what the cruise line is. Oh, that's right. But

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it's an adventure. It's an adventure

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and we're going to see

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a lot of historic sites that I've read

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about for years in my studies of classical

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literature. That's going

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to be so amazing. Good for you guys.

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Yeah. In

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October, Kitty's birthday is in October and mine is

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in early November. So we

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actually will be on the ship during

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Kitty's birthday When is

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her birthday? October the 22nd of

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October. So you're both Scorpios

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and she's just barely as good early I'm

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barely the cusp. Yeah. Yeah, we got some

2:19

birthdays. Yes, we do this at this time

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Yeah, we've got a tape Phoenix on

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May 6th. Happy birthday. Happy birthday

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birthday. Take Phoenix We also have

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Heidi McClellan on May 7th

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the day after today. So happy birthday to

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Heidi. Happy birthday Happy

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birthday, Heidi. Happy birthday, Heidi May 7th.

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Last but not least we have Jennifer

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Vaughn two days later May 9th Happy

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birthday, Jennifer Happy birthday,

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Jennifer Jennifer have

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a great birthday on May 9th. Yes,

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you remember you're all younger than I am

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You look very I would never have

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guessed that's the first time you've said

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your age Yeah for your birthday

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or anything like that. I

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would have guessed you many years younger than

3:06

75 you have guessed wrong Thank

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you. Thank you very much. That's very kind I

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appreciate that but I am what I am and

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I'm very happy to be what I am good

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we start gentlemen episode.

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Yes. All right. So

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we are reviewing, recapping, discussing the episode

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of the circle, the circle,

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which is basically a part two of

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a three-parter, it seems. Yes. So we've

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already seen the homecoming. Now we have

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the circle. And let

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us begin, Robbie. Let's hear your poetry

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synopsis, your limerick for the circle. Happy

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to do it. Love sharing my creativity

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in the poetic field. Here we go.

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Kira's leaving and gets her

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friend's admiration. But Jaro's

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the victim of Cardassian

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manipulation. Quark's ready

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to scram. Odo uncovers

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the scam, but Sisko's

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not leaving the station. Very

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good. Good. Very good. That covers everything. I

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think we can close now. Okay. We're done.

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We are done with this episode. Haiku time.

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Yes. Haiku time. Here we go. My haiku

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for the circle. Kira

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is kidnapped. Jaro

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is behind circle. Haiku

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is starting. No. Very

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good. More succinct. Okay.

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Yeah. Abstract and yes,

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impressionistic. Although neither one

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of us reach the

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heights of Terry Farrell's poetry.

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Terry's poetry, I

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get moved by her the

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way she rhymes her words.

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She's great. I haven't heard any of those. I would love

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to hear. You've

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got to hear some of

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those. I'm always impressed. Armin,

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do you have an etymology

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of? I have a pedantic

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segment right now. Circle.

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In old English is

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pronounced c-co-l. In

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Latin, it's circular.

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It's circular. It's

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the short for circular is circus

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by the way. In

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English, in Middle

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English, it's. There

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are many definitions, of course, of circle, but my

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favorite is, quote,

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a figure of magic or

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necromancy. For example, I

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think samples from 1529. Necromancies,

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necromancers put their trust in

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their circles within

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which they think themselves sure

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against all ye devils in hell, which

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I think applies to this episode. Yes,

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it does. Yes, like

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just trusting that inner group

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that you've attached yourself to.

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Right, and the devils of hell are all

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the non-bejorans in

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the episode. Yeah. Hmm.

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Interesting. I like the circus connection. I've

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never made that connection with

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the word circle and circus, but the

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ring, the circus ring is kind of... Exactly.

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Yeah. That's why the

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Romans called it the circus because it was

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round. I believe if I remember from my

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studies, that's why it was called the circus.

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Oh, yeah. Wow. I love that etymology.

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It's so cool. Well, this

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episode is written by Peter Allen

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Fields and directed

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by my old acting teacher,

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Corey Allen. There we go.

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You do recall Corey, I'm sure, working

7:20

with him. Armin, yes. I certainly do.

7:23

Not only did I work with him on Deep Space

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Nine, but I worked with him as an actor on

7:27

the film as well. Actually, we got

7:30

a lot of good conversations in while we were

7:32

doing the film. I remind everybody

7:34

that Corey Allen was the director

7:36

of the pilot episode of Next

7:38

Generation. Yeah. That's right. Yeah.

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I think you told us the story, the connection of

7:44

Patrick Stewart and why Corey Allen is

7:46

responsible for the Patrick Stewart of it all.

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Exactly. Something I learned while doing

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the film with him when I was working

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when we were both actors on the project.

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I think I told you this before, Armin,

7:57

that Corey was also teaching Chase Masterson at

8:00

the same time. time so I did not

8:02

know that I remember you saying that that's

8:04

no I don't think that's new then we're

8:06

okay well yeah so we were

8:08

in class at the time of this

8:11

pretty much at the time of this episode I mean

8:13

during this season was when this class

8:16

was happening and and it probably

8:18

there was probably honestly it's a

8:20

small class maybe 12 13

8:22

students and Chase

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and I were both in that same acting

8:27

class to go out well this is before

8:29

yeah both before either of us before she

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got on DS9 and before I got on

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Voyager so pre trek is when we were

8:36

in this class together yeah Cory

8:38

Ellen has the trek magic he just gets everybody

8:40

on track he does yeah and Cory although he

8:43

was at that time when he was teaching us

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he was dealing with Parkinson's so he was getting

8:47

the tremors you know that whole that

8:49

whole thing which was starting to

8:51

affect him and I know that that's

8:54

something that he wasn't overjoyed about having

8:56

contracted but still such a amazing teacher

8:58

and it's just such an amazing human

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being in the history of him being

9:02

on rebel without a cause is also

9:05

really impressive as well and how he

9:07

got that role in that movie

9:09

just amazing later on in this

9:11

podcast I will tell you something

9:13

that Cory did in this episode

9:15

which is amazing I've never encountered

9:18

it ever before oh wow and

9:20

it is truly amazing feat that

9:22

he accomplished but that that's

9:24

for later okay good looking forward to it

9:26

can I run through these guest stars real

9:28

quick yeah okay Richard Bamer again

9:32

from West Side Story Tony as Lee Nolus

9:34

yeah Stephen or Stephen mocked as

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General Crim Stephen Stephen mocked Stephen

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mocked as General Crim my very

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first reaction to seeing Stephen mocked

9:43

was that he could be

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related to the actor John Bernthal from

9:48

Walking Dead from The Punisher but

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in actuality he has a son who

9:53

is an actor who Robbie

9:55

McNeil directed actually of all people

9:58

Gabriel mocked who plays Harvey

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Spelter. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God.

10:03

In the show Suits. Of course. The

10:05

television show Suits, Robbie directed, I think it was the

10:07

final season of Suits, Robbie came in and directed, or

10:09

the next to last, yeah. And

10:11

he's the lead. So you've definitely talked to

10:13

this gentleman before. This is

10:16

General Crim's son, basically, the guy that you

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worked with. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Before

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you go on, I have one little footnote for Steve.

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And Steve and I have worked together many times doing

10:25

theater together. So I know for

10:27

a fact, Stephen Mock was the

10:30

second choice for Picard. What?

10:33

Wow. And it

10:38

is interesting to me, it just occurred to

10:40

me, as you were speaking, Garrett, that here's

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Corey Allen, who directed the pilot, and he

10:44

had a choice on who was going to

10:47

play Picard. Yeah. And so

10:49

was it Corey, I'm just fantasizing.

10:51

Was it Corey who said we're going

10:54

to get Stephen Mock to play this

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part? Oh, yes. Yes. Which,

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as I was reading the script, there was

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just a note in the script, very subtle

11:04

and didn't probably mean anything. But

11:06

when I read the note, I thought, hmm, looks

11:08

like this character of Crim is supposed to occur.

11:11

But it did. But it looks like. Yeah.

11:14

Yeah. Okay. Wow. That's

11:18

crazy. We also have Bruce Gray as Admiral. This

11:20

is what really bugged me. Bruce Gray is

11:22

Admiral Chakotay. And I'm thinking, guys,

11:25

why would you repeat a name again? It's

11:28

clearly Voyager was being written about this time.

11:30

About the same time. But the exact same

11:32

time. So was it something that was in

11:35

the head of maybe,

11:37

I guess, of

11:40

the executive producers that were still there? Was

11:44

it just Berman and Bayh? Who was

11:46

still there at this point, Rob? Berman

11:48

is the linchpin, I think, between at

11:50

this point in time. Pillar is on

11:52

his way out. He's gotten sick. Okay.

11:55

But Pillar was still part of Voyager in

11:58

the beginning, too. So I'm wondering. pillar

12:00

come up with the name of Chakotay and he

12:02

just threw that in. Or Jerry Taylor was around.

12:05

Yeah. You know. Or

12:08

maybe they didn't even make the connection that they

12:10

had already used this name and somebody in their

12:12

subconscious just threw it out in a room and

12:14

it came to life again. Yeah. I

12:17

mean, it's a weird coincidence. It's so

12:19

weird and they spell it differently. They

12:22

spell it C-H-E-K-O-T-E but it's definitely Chakotay

12:24

the way they pronounce it. So that

12:26

blew me away. Philip Anglum

12:29

as Vedic Boreal, special guest

12:31

star Louise Fletcher as Vedic Wynn

12:33

and I was just thinking if

12:35

she got special guest star, I

12:37

feel like Frank Langella could have

12:40

got extra special guest star just

12:42

to give him stuff. Special, special,

12:44

special, special, no credit star. Most

12:47

specialist of all no credit Frank

12:50

Langella co-stars. We

12:52

have Mike Genovese as Zethno, the

12:54

captain of the Kressari freighter. Would

12:57

this individual be related to

12:59

Cosmo Genovese? Possibly that's

13:02

not the most common last name

13:04

in Italian last name. So maybe

13:06

there's it just maybe a coincidence.

13:08

Probably not. Probably not. Cosmo was

13:10

our script supervisor. And sometimes ours.

13:13

And somebody wasn't around. Yeah. Yeah.

13:16

So he would fill in. Okay. You

13:18

know, Armin, I stayed in touch with Cosmo till he passed away

13:20

a few years ago. He was in the actor's home. Yeah.

13:23

Yeah. Yeah. And

13:25

Dennis Madelon would go visit him all the time. Oh yeah. And

13:28

send him FaceTime and send pictures and celebrate

13:30

birthdays. Oh good. Oh that's

13:32

great. Cosmo was a lovely, lovely man.

13:34

He was. I know I

13:36

digress from the Genovese. No, no. I

13:38

think it's great. And say enough good things about Cosmo. No.

13:42

I mean he deserves this time for you to talk

13:44

about him or to say something nice about him because

13:46

I don't think there was a soul

13:48

on our production that did not like

13:51

Cosmo Genovese. Yeah. Same

13:54

with Judy Brown for your script

13:56

supervisor who went on to Enterprise.

14:00

Judy went on to enterprise and Judy would

14:02

sometimes come to Voyager rarely but right Yeah,

14:05

you do went on to their great people and

14:07

they have they have really hard jobs. They really

14:09

do they

14:11

really do we also have another co-star Eric

14:14

server as the peace officer and Anthony

14:17

Gudera as the Cardassian

14:19

in this episode so that rounds out

14:21

our guest stars and our co-star very

14:24

very big cast a lot of a lot

14:26

of You know very interesting

14:28

people in there. That's your and locations,

14:30

which is which is rare for our

14:32

show. Yeah Locations. Yes.

14:34

Yes. Yes. Yes. All right So to

14:36

start off the whole episode after a very

14:38

brief recap they show a quick recap of

14:40

the prior episode We then have

14:42

an exterior shot of the station and

14:44

we are now in the commander's office

14:46

I have a question in the recap

14:48

didn't they talk about they talked about

14:50

the Alliance for global unity Yeah, but

14:52

then they get a new name the

14:54

circle. When did they start calling them

14:57

a circle? I didn't quite Track.

14:59

I mean I made the connection but I was like

15:02

When did that happen like it sort of suddenly

15:04

we're talking we're calling everybody The

15:07

met the first time that we mentioned

15:09

the circle that we hear about the

15:11

circle Yeah, they say they say this

15:13

group is called the Alliance for global.

15:15

They already described So they're very

15:18

very they're both the circle and the

15:20

Alliance for global unity. Yes. Okay

15:22

We're in the commander's office. Cisco

15:24

is very unhappy about Kira's dismissal

15:26

because he's talking with Jaro minister

15:28

Jaro about this And Jaro

15:31

basically says it's a promotion for Kira And

15:33

I love this really weird thing that comes up

15:35

with Cisco talking about Well, I

15:38

thought it was one of those things where there's

15:40

a warm wind blowing in from Minicoy and you're

15:42

like what and it was about As

15:44

if this is some saying that everybody

15:46

knows everyone knows this thing clearly a

15:48

famous ambassador from Minicoy Who was full

15:51

of hot air? So it's it's sort

15:53

of um, you know, they're positioning their

15:55

playing chess playing Jazz, they're definitely in

15:57

Jaro in the end You

16:00

know cisco doesn't trust jarwin the scene

16:02

clearly don't trust each other and oh

16:04

jar was just covering he's lying He's

16:06

claiming as a promotion, but cisco doesn't

16:08

believe him How do

16:11

you feel armin? About

16:13

watching this scene. I know frank

16:15

langela I know avery

16:17

brooks as well. I imagine

16:19

this was a very tense Scene

16:22

with those two actors off camera.

16:24

Yes. Yes I

16:26

would think so. I would think so. I

16:28

would think so. I think there was jockeying for power. Yeah,

16:31

exactly exactly did

16:34

anyone notice that's one shot where cisco

16:38

crosses Frame and jarro

16:40

or frank has to kind of track him

16:42

as he moves over He almost looked into

16:44

camera He kind of like stopped and then

16:47

pushed himself forward a little bit like there

16:49

was the frank did yes I felt like

16:51

the very beginning. This was the most un

16:57

What can you say he's an amateur Yeah,

17:00

what have you done frank? I

17:02

mean how much star trek has he done, you know? I'm

17:06

just saying guys, you know how much I love I

17:08

do I do I felt like he was nervous in

17:10

this front scene and clearly I don't think he was

17:12

nervous. I think no you think there was a little

17:15

Okay, so knowing both of them having

17:17

worked with both of them. Yeah, I

17:19

bet there was a lot of tension

17:22

making this Okay. All right, because of

17:24

the content of the scene they could

17:26

use their real feelings Yeah in the

17:28

scene in a in an effective way

17:30

and yeah, that would be my guess

17:32

I also think it was interesting that frank

17:34

chose to sort of pick up

17:37

The revered baseball at the very end almost like

17:39

he was he was kind of saying, you know

17:41

what? I can grab your little Keepsake

17:44

whatever you have and armin are you looking

17:46

to see if are you looking

17:48

to see? Maybe actually Armans

17:50

got the script. I know gentlemen. I don't know

17:53

if we've said that yet, but he found the

17:55

original script, which is so excited Rare, it's not

17:57

in the script. I don't break Frank

18:00

going like I'm gonna get in your I'm

18:02

gonna get in your brain a little bit

18:04

in your business I'm gonna in your business

18:06

This is your beloved baseball and I'm powering

18:08

my paws all over our mood It was

18:10

a power move all the way he did

18:12

that right before he left the room, too.

18:14

Yep. Oh, okay I just want to make

18:16

one comment about something that Jarrow says in

18:18

the scene He says one of my fellow

18:20

ministers was attacked by the circle now. We've

18:22

been led to believe that the

18:25

circle is Anti

18:27

anything that isn't Bajoran So

18:29

the idea that now the circle

18:31

has has matriculated or morphed

18:33

into now they're attacking in their

18:36

own and that's a problem Yeah,

18:38

yeah So

18:41

clearly this is a rival to Jarrow that

18:43

was attacked. I mean now that we know

18:45

that that's what he's saying But

18:47

we're saying which is yes We

18:50

don't know but all of a sudden now

18:52

the Jorns are being attacked as well by

18:54

the circle and and that really is a

18:56

step Forward this makes it a little bit

18:58

easier to believe that it could be a

19:01

coup which is what we're gonna find out

19:03

Yeah, well miles comes in and says that

19:05

Jake has been waiting on the calm to

19:07

talk to his dad Do you think Cisco

19:10

told Jake if you need to

19:12

get a hold of me? Don't call me directly

19:14

on the calm call Ups

19:17

and whoever answers there will come over and tell

19:19

me I don't get that like typically in what

19:21

you're gonna put like do not disturb On

19:24

his on his combat and then it gets it

19:26

gets Forwarded but but

19:29

understand Jake does

19:31

not have a combat what?

19:33

Oh, that's right. He's not Starfleet. No

19:37

He's in the room you get to go to a phone

19:39

booth has to go to a

19:41

phone booth and a quarter right change Yes,

19:44

then call his dad. Okay, cuz cuz all

19:46

the phones only take latin. Oh, so yeah,

19:49

absolutely Sorry.

19:51

Okay. I don't know so

19:53

no one thought that was odd. Rob. No, I did

19:55

not you did it didn't bother He's in an important

19:57

meeting. He's gonna do that. Okay fine.

20:00

Jake's like calling somebody hey I gotta get

20:02

my dad where's my dad right

20:04

not picking up right I mean I

20:06

have to do not disturb on my laptop

20:09

so I that's right it's

20:11

there it's there well Cisco does agree to

20:13

go down there he doesn't tell them what

20:15

it is and when he shows up at

20:18

their quarters it's their quarters it's their door

20:20

and it has the same the sign the

20:22

symbol is there it's there which means we're

20:25

really yeah they're

20:27

on the station

20:30

yeah we're there every we are yep oh

20:33

my god this is my favorite thing coming

20:35

up now it go maybe in the in

20:37

the history of this series this is

20:40

because okay before you before you describe

20:42

it my all I can say is

20:44

my first thought was this

20:46

is an amazing state there's multiple entrances

20:49

the blocking which is so complex everybody's

20:51

moving and bouncing moving my god okay

20:53

go ahead robbie pick it up okay

20:55

so kier's packing yep uh odo

20:57

comes in and he's trying to

20:59

talk uh her into fighting to stay odo's

21:02

really wound up about this he's very upset

21:04

he's like kiero why won't why won't you

21:06

fight this like you should stay here and

21:08

then dax comes in to return some

21:10

skin lotion which i love i know

21:12

skin lotion no one has skin lotion

21:14

on voyager in seven years but here

21:16

we have skin lotion i love it

21:19

way before dax comes in there's a

21:21

very soft just to take the dots

21:23

off just to take the dots off

21:25

just to drill markings off she

21:27

applies them every day yeah i did love

21:29

the moment before dax comes in

21:32

with odo where he's really wound

21:34

up yes and kiera pauses for

21:36

a moment she says you know odo i'll miss

21:38

you too it was a sweet

21:41

sweet moment which i really good yeah i

21:43

felt like new a new insight into that

21:45

relationship for sure but dax comes in with

21:47

a lotion then she asks kiera you know

21:50

what's your job and they're talking about this

21:52

boring desk job when basher walks in and

21:54

i love this exchange where basher's like hey

21:56

i want to come say goodbye dax is

21:59

still talking about desk job. She's

22:01

like, God, that's boring. She

22:03

was like, Wait, what? What are you talking?

22:06

Yeah. So the misunderstanding, it's a very

22:08

sort of, uh, farcical

22:12

misunderstanding, you know, uh, sliding doors kind of

22:14

thing, especially that one little interchange where she

22:16

sort of everyone's peppering her with questions and

22:19

she answers each of them. She goes, no,

22:21

they didn't know. They haven't like that. It

22:23

was so, it was like we were watching

22:25

a stage play. It was like, Oh, this

22:28

is so well written and

22:30

it's constantly moving. It looks great. And

22:33

then I think, uh, does Miles come in

22:35

there? Oh, Brian is coming next to say

22:37

with pleasure serving with her. Yeah. Yeah. Pleasure.

22:39

But then he's like, maybe I'll come back

22:41

later. So she's getting kind of chaotic. And

22:44

just when you think you can't get more chaotic,

22:47

Quark walks in with a bottle of

22:50

sin sail, her favorite, but it's

22:52

a tiny bottle. It looked like a little bottle of, of like,

22:56

what a perfume bottle. It

22:58

was tiny. Yeah. Um,

23:01

well, he didn't expect everyone to be there. That's why.

23:03

No, thank you for that. Exactly.

23:06

He wants, uh, he wants to have

23:08

a, he thought it would be an

23:10

intimate farewell drink with, with Kira. Yeah.

23:12

Cause he's been in the bedroom in

23:14

the last episodes. Right. He's making his

23:16

move. Yeah. Right before she leaves. This

23:18

is the time to make my move.

23:20

But bring some sin sail into it,

23:22

get her a little drunk. Yeah. And

23:24

I love, I love how he says, you

23:27

know, uh, a shoulder to cry

23:29

on. You'd be surprised how often that works

23:31

with women to, uh, to,

23:33

who do you say? I say so. Very

23:37

funny. I locked out. I want to rewind

23:39

your entrance when you first come in Armin.

23:42

You make the choice or maybe it's in

23:44

the script where you kind of chum up

23:46

with O'Brien. You slap your arm on his,

23:48

his shoulder right there. It's not in the

23:50

script. You threw

23:53

that in there. Okay. That was your blocking.

23:55

All right. Uh, yes, Robbie,

23:57

continue the very end of the scene. Boreal

23:59

comes in. in and he, everybody

24:02

gets very solemn and respectful when

24:04

he enters a very much different

24:07

tone with Brial in the room and he

24:10

suggests that maybe Kira come to

24:12

the monastery. Yes, because he says,

24:14

quote, it can help when the

24:16

spirit gets a little bruised, end

24:19

quotes. Yes. All

24:21

right. So, that's the scene.

24:23

No, now, no, that's not the scene.

24:25

That is the scene on camera. That's

24:28

not the scene in rehearsal. Oh

24:30

boy. What happened? This is what

24:32

Cory did, which you've already alluded to. You

24:34

didn't even know you were alluding to it,

24:37

but you did. You both said it was

24:39

like a stage play. Yeah. That's

24:41

the way Cory saw it too. Okay.

24:44

And in fact, I think it's eight pages.

24:46

I could look, but I'm going to take

24:48

up the time. I believe

24:50

it's eight pages of script. We came

24:52

into work that day and Cory turned

24:55

to the crew, except for everybody but

24:57

the VP. He said, you

24:59

can all go home. We're

25:01

not shooting anything today. What?

25:04

Wow. We're just

25:06

going to rehearse this like a play.

25:09

We're going to work out the blocking. We're going

25:11

to do it as a one-er. Now,

25:15

when I look at the episode and see it, I

25:17

went, well, it wasn't shot as a one-er, but they

25:19

may have added more cameras the next

25:21

day. But first on that

25:23

day, he said, we're all going to rehearse

25:25

this as a play. You can't imagine the

25:28

marks all over the floor for all of

25:30

us in different colors. And

25:34

we rehearsed it for

25:36

up until I would say we probably

25:38

started at seven in the morning

25:40

and by three, we'd gotten it down

25:42

and they released us as well. The

25:45

next day, this was eight

25:47

pages. Wow. And

25:49

the next day, we shot that sucker in about

25:51

25 minutes. All

25:54

eight pages. What? Wow. So,

25:58

it was extraordinary. that people

26:00

got off, the crew got off.

26:03

But the time that they lost

26:06

by rehearsing it as a play, they

26:08

picked up on the next day. On the shooting.

26:11

Because we did it all as a

26:14

winner in 20 minutes. And I

26:16

imagine what happened was we had

26:18

the main camera, but then he

26:20

set up the camera so he

26:22

had footage that he could interact

26:24

with. But we did

26:26

those eight pages as a play. And

26:28

just so everybody knows, when I'm directing

26:30

or producing on a show, we

26:33

kind of estimate using

26:35

the page count as a

26:37

rough estimate of how long it will

26:39

take. So an eight-page scene with

26:42

that many people in it, you

26:45

take the number of pages, you

26:48

call that an hour per page,

26:50

so eight hours, and

26:52

then you take the number of characters and you

26:54

divide in half and that's the other amount of

26:56

hours. So an eight-page scene

26:58

with six people would have

27:00

been about 11 hours. I would have scheduled for that

27:02

scene. Which they did in 25 minutes. So

27:05

we've been saying eight, but it's actually seven.

27:08

Okay, seven pages. It should have been 10 hours. So

27:10

seven hours. I don't know how many people are in

27:12

the scene. I'd have to go back and count, but

27:15

I feel like there's about six. There

27:17

are six. There are six. Six.

27:20

So take the page. Oh, seven. Seven

27:22

plus Kira. Seven. So

27:24

take the pages, seven pages. That's

27:27

seven hours. Then take the cast

27:29

count, seven. That's three

27:31

and a half hours. So ten

27:33

and a half hours is what I would give

27:35

this scene. Yeah. Off the top of,

27:37

math off the top of my head if I were scheduling this. And

27:40

between your rehearsal and filming, that's about

27:43

what you probably spend on it. Well,

27:46

as I said at the intro,

27:48

I have never experienced that ever

27:51

showing a TV show or film

27:53

for that matter. But certainly a TV show. The

27:56

idea that the crew would be excused at eight

27:58

o'clock in the morning and say goodbye. They

28:00

must have loved that. They must have loved

28:02

it. I heard now it's

28:05

just it's just rumor. I heard

28:07

that Berman was not happy about

28:09

it. Oh, okay. Wow. Yeah, I

28:11

can imagine he was not happy about that. But

28:13

but doesn't he save money? He got the work

28:15

done in the amount of time that was needed.

28:17

Yeah. We we did it the

28:19

next day. Yeah. Relatively quickly. We

28:21

got it in the first take. And

28:24

then they did it again just to

28:26

have the safety. But yeah. Wow. Wow.

28:29

Well, it felt like a it felt like a

28:31

stage play. And it felt tight. The pace, the

28:34

the dialogue was just snappy and funny.

28:36

It was great. Great. Here's a

28:38

question, Robbie. As a director, would you have

28:41

shot that differently? Would you not have done

28:43

it like a stage play? Would you have

28:45

done something entirely opposite of that? I think

28:47

there's no downside. In that kind

28:49

of scene, there's no downside to an

28:52

extensive rehearsal. There's only

28:54

an upside to that because you're looking for tightening

28:57

up the pace, you know, sharpening the comedy

28:59

and the and the reaction. So that takes

29:01

time to get that kind of rhythm going.

29:03

But I don't know if I would have

29:06

staged it exactly the same way. I thought

29:08

it was well done. And by the way,

29:10

generally, this episode for me, Corey Allen did

29:12

some shots I'd never seen before in your show.

29:14

And we're well into this, you know, we're into

29:16

the second season now. So for him to find

29:18

new angles, new ways of doing things,

29:20

I felt that was impressive. I was

29:23

I was impressed with it. Will you address

29:25

those moments when they when they happen? Okay,

29:27

great. I think well, it's about one last

29:29

thing. One last thing. One of the things

29:31

that he did so well, it's a little

29:33

room. It's a little room

29:35

with seven people in it. Yeah. And

29:38

so the fact that he was able to

29:41

cover us all as well as he did

29:43

is really quite impressive. And indeed,

29:45

when Boreal comes into the scene,

29:47

it says in the script, the

29:49

tone changes immediately. Yeah. And

29:52

which I think the actors and the

29:54

director caught perfectly. Yeah, yeah, it was

29:56

well done. Speaking of cool

29:59

Corey Allen shots. the next scene

30:01

in we've got this

30:03

low angle yes hero walking in

30:05

and I felt like the

30:07

camera was down in the pit I'd never seen

30:09

the camera I'd never seen that angle of ops

30:12

before quite so dramatically and theatrically so there's

30:15

an example of a Corial and shot really

30:17

must have had the camera on the floor

30:19

I think I must have had a camera

30:21

on the floor because I if it gave

30:24

it any elevation it wouldn't

30:26

have looked like that yeah we've never

30:28

seen those round windows up top you

30:30

know how she walks in and you

30:32

see everything up high like that we

30:34

don't we've never seen that so far

30:36

well she walks in she's very sad

30:38

she's looking around she's gonna leave Lee

30:40

Nolus arrives her replacement he's very

30:43

sorry he doesn't he doesn't even

30:45

know what he's gonna do here um as the

30:48

nave arc he doesn't know what they've

30:50

moved that what are my duties yeah

30:52

Cisco comes in kind of makes

30:54

a joke about why I think you're supposed to report

30:56

directly to the prophets which at first I didn't get

30:59

was a joke I don't know

31:01

how you report to the prophets directly but

31:03

I think he was trying to

31:05

kind of make a joke here and he says you know

31:08

basically you're just here to help me I

31:10

didn't get that Robbie you give him that

31:12

I I didn't think it was a joke

31:14

I think he really was supposed to report

31:16

to the Prophet really yeah or report to

31:19

the orb talk to the orb open up

31:21

an orb but nobody talks to the orb

31:24

well Lee Nolus is a special guy he's like

31:26

maybe that's what nave arc means maybe they bark

31:28

means one who who communes with the prophets but

31:31

it's interesting that you brought up that it was

31:33

a joke from Cisco because I don't think Avery

31:35

played it as a joke it didn't come off

31:37

that way to me so that's why I thought

31:39

I was confused because wait who can

31:42

nobody reports to the prophets there

31:44

yeah energy like yeah you know

31:46

I don't know that's

31:49

an interesting question you know

31:51

what the writers intentions were

31:54

and did they achieve that

31:56

in the in the actually warm and so I'm not

31:58

sure it was a little confusing to me like Does

32:00

it say in the script he jokingly says

32:02

that no, it doesn't know. Okay. No, it

32:04

doesn't. All right. Well, there you go Cisco

32:08

does promise that he will get Kira

32:10

back because she requests permission to disembark

32:13

It's a little sad He walks

32:15

her to the turbolift and he watches her

32:17

go as the turbo lift descends Which is

32:19

an image that we could see over and

32:21

over again if visit if there's an early

32:23

theme for me It's the it's the turbolift.

32:25

It's happening. What's the shot where the camera

32:27

her point of view where? Where

32:30

he's going her going down. Yeah,

32:32

and then and then doesn't

32:34

go into there's one later Yeah, that's later.

32:37

Yeah, what's interesting for me is that turbolift

32:39

which did work it was it certainly took

32:41

you to a different floor Yeah, but but

32:43

it always jerked at least in my experience

32:46

with it What's so the fact that they

32:48

got it not to jerk in this take

32:51

you mean it continuously jerk as it moved or

32:53

just jerking the So

32:55

it's always it was always this as you were

32:57

standing in it, you know, oh you're kidding me

32:59

that's not very Star Trek II No, it has

33:01

to be smooth. It's amazing. They never show that

33:04

this is make believe Did you have on your set? Did

33:07

you have doors that would bounce and they'd have

33:09

to do it over again if the no we

33:11

never had we never had doors to Bounce but

33:13

we all learned I'm sure you did as well

33:15

never to speak while you were going through a

33:17

door Yeah, because because the sound of the door

33:19

meant you had to do a dr. That's a

33:21

dialogue replacement. Yeah. Yes Yes

33:23

Yeah, we had a lot of bouncing doors If

33:25

if the if the you know the ship door

33:28

as it shut did a boom like that We'd

33:30

have to do it again because it's not supposed

33:32

to boom. It's not supposed to bounce

33:34

at all Yeah, are we are we done

33:36

with this scene or doors were professional? Yeah,

33:38

you're a your door beover We

33:41

we next next up we have a Dan

33:43

Curry special a matte painting on the surface

33:45

of Bay George I'm gonna plan a shot

33:47

the monastery grounds kind of is what is

33:49

it is I think yeah, okay I think

33:51

we've seen it before I think it's not

33:53

like a reuse of yes something. Yeah for

33:55

sure Gardens at the

33:57

monastery cura is busy at work settings

34:00

stones, but unfortunately it's

34:02

crooked. Vedic Boreal is there looking

34:04

on. And Kira, she says

34:09

essentially that it's just not working out for her.

34:12

And my question to Armin is,

34:14

do Vedics lead? They do not

34:16

lead a life of celibacy, I guess. Is that...

34:19

No. Okay. So they can be

34:21

married and everything then if they want. Okay.

34:23

Because there's definitely a moment shared between Vedic

34:26

Boreal and Kira. Personally, more than a moment.

34:28

What happened? We're not to that point

34:30

yet. No. I'm saying in this

34:32

scene, I literally

34:35

watch the scene and then I make my

34:37

notes. My first note is this

34:39

scene was creepy as...

34:42

It's like, what

34:44

is going on here? Who is this?

34:47

Well, what is... What are they talking

34:49

about? There was so much subtext and

34:52

yeah, I don't

34:54

know. I found it a little... There is a

34:56

little bit of that in the end of the

34:58

other scene, the previous scene. When he comes in,

35:00

there's a sense of that. A little bit of

35:02

that, yeah. But you're

35:04

absolutely right. It's very heavy in

35:07

this scene. And

35:09

just using... But to me, I was like,

35:12

is this about an evil plan? Is this

35:14

about seduction? Is this about...

35:17

Is he becoming a god? I

35:19

didn't know what was happening. It

35:21

was just... He's a holy man.

35:23

He's a spiritual person, correct? This

35:26

is spiritual... He never behaved this

35:28

weirdly to me before. I had

35:30

to be calm and very comforting

35:32

before. I would imagine what the

35:34

writers had in mind, and

35:36

I don't know. It's against. Is

35:39

that we've taken Kira off the station.

35:41

Now we're trying to give a reason

35:43

why she wouldn't come back to the

35:45

station. Oh, okay. And

35:47

so it's not just his acting towards her.

35:50

It's her acting towards him as well. And

35:53

that somehow maybe if a

35:55

life... A romance. A

35:57

romance of having a family, of getting

35:59

married. It might be a reason for

36:01

her to stay on Bejor and not

36:04

go back to the station I

36:06

think that's what they were aiming at or

36:08

maybe they were just trying to set up

36:11

a romance between the two of them and

36:15

For future episodes. Yeah, I don't I

36:17

didn't think about that the reason to

36:19

stay that's a great point It didn't

36:21

play that way to me because I

36:23

was so weirded out

36:25

by this It

36:28

was weird he was creepy but

36:30

at the same time it it's

36:32

so it's hard to get a fix on what

36:35

this act is playing because First

36:38

of all before like Robbie said

36:40

he seemed like someone that you took solace

36:42

in like if he was there you very

36:44

comfortable and relaxed Hey, yeah safe, but all

36:47

of a sudden this episode there's

36:49

just some weird undertones that this

36:51

actor is putting on and the looks

36:53

and the stairs and and now

36:56

and Robbie's heard me talk about

36:58

my my initial talent agent when

37:00

I booked Voyager being the Stephen

37:02

Wright of Agents the stand-up comic who

37:04

had that deadpan dry delivery. This is

37:07

the Stephen Wright of Bejorans. He's

37:09

he's so Dead it's so

37:11

dry in his in his line But a

37:13

different kind of character to

37:15

me in this episode than the previous

37:17

higher one. Yes. Yes He was right and

37:19

clean. He's the bad guy. Yeah, he's

37:21

all it's all bull. He's been lying or

37:23

maybe The circle maybe he's part

37:26

of the exactly right. Yeah, I thought yeah.

37:28

Yeah, what did you think or I felt that

37:31

as well? I'm

37:33

a big fan of Philip Anglums as you

37:35

all must know. This is the

37:37

man that created the elephant man on Broadway

37:40

Yeah, no, he's an incredibly talented actor. Yeah,

37:42

and I and I just thought

37:44

it was He played

37:46

it as an extension of

37:49

the non-emotional Performance

37:51

that he'd given in other episodes. Okay, he

37:53

continued that way also We haven't touched upon

37:56

it yet. But in a moment, we're going

37:58

to find out that He's

38:00

had some visions as well and

38:02

and so maybe he's acting upon that

38:05

but but I think I think

38:09

Not just the actor, but I think perhaps

38:11

the director should have Realized

38:13

no modulated that module that yeah

38:16

eased us into this transition for

38:18

this character Because I didn't

38:20

know where it was going so it was

38:22

so heavy for me that I went to

38:25

oh, he's been lying He's a bad guy.

38:27

He's but our I went our men brings

38:29

up a really valid point because he does

38:31

talk we do learn later that

38:35

Vedic Boreal has already You

38:38

know consulted the orbs and had a vision of

38:40

his own which had Kira in it which in

38:42

my guess The same thing happened

38:44

where they were lovers, you know, I'm saying so now

38:46

oh, yeah as the actor He's already

38:48

read the script. He knows what's gonna happen

38:50

in the future. So he's thinking Oh, well,

38:52

I'm already gonna play like we are a

38:54

couple in a way, you know, I'm gonna

38:56

be very like Hey, this is my lady,

38:58

you know kind of attitude where that comes

39:00

off is we're not ready for that yet

39:02

as an audience Yeah, the audience wasn't ready.

39:04

What's going on? Like why is this guy

39:06

being so weird and creepy right now and we

39:08

love this guy in the prior episode But all

39:10

of a sudden something has shifted but we don't

39:12

know that that's just I don't I didn't know

39:14

what was going on In this scene, honestly, here's

39:16

my notes. I said Kira's working on the stone

39:19

path. She can't get it straight Brial arrives She

39:21

says she's useless here. He

39:23

says maybe try useless for a while

39:26

then things get really weird And

39:31

then he says it's time isn't it? Yeah,

39:33

what does that mean? I it's the

39:35

writing I agree with you I'm the

39:38

script. She it right the stage direction

39:40

is she's baffled by that as well.

39:42

The script says she's baffled Oh, so

39:44

there's a lot of baffled acting in

39:46

the scene, which baffled me Yes

39:50

She doesn't she thinks that you know what

39:52

the script is indicating is that maybe he's

39:55

talking about going off to his room Yeah,

39:57

it's it's time and and that

40:00

exactly what script it. That's exactly

40:02

what the writers wanted that to

40:04

be. Okay. I think it's

40:06

the writing is very confusing here. I

40:08

think they were intentionally trying to add

40:10

complexity and subtext in a way

40:13

that for me was

40:15

more confusing than anything else. Yeah.

40:17

I think I've made my point. I'm going to let it go now. Yeah.

40:21

This scene. But you're right. As a director, Corey could have

40:23

modulated that a little bit. For sure. Yeah,

40:26

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42:54

her inside this orb shrine. She

42:56

sees the orb case. She

42:59

says she's always dreamed about this moment. He

43:01

opens the case. He says this

43:03

is the third orb of prophecy and change,

43:05

and she stares at it. The light glows

43:07

on her face. She asks,

43:10

what do I do? And as

43:12

he's leaving off camera, we hear him say, just

43:15

be useless. And

43:17

then there's a flash. I was

43:20

still a little confused by this concept of

43:22

be useless. I guess it's like be open,

43:24

right? Just be let go. Let

43:27

go of. Yeah, don't have

43:29

any prior preconceived notions about it.

43:31

Just don't be a type A

43:33

personality. Be present. But

43:36

also he does say, allow the

43:38

prophets to guide you before he says

43:40

be useless. So there's a little bit

43:42

of explanation there. And that's standard Vedic

43:45

language. Let the prophets guide you. That's

43:49

a prayer that they repeat at

43:51

Infinitum. Yeah. Well, she ends

43:54

up flashing into this chamber

43:56

of ministers. She's there. They're

43:58

all trying to interact. with her. She can't

44:01

hear them very well, what they're specifically what

44:03

they're saying, but they're all gesticulating. It

44:06

seemed like they were cheering for her, but

44:08

then maybe they're yelling at her. It was

44:10

hard to know if they were happy or

44:13

angry with her. It looked like Wall Street

44:15

is what it looked like. So go ahead,

44:17

Armin. They want to get her attention. That's

44:19

what the script says. Okay. They want to

44:22

get her attention. Yes. And they want to

44:24

say something to her and they want to

44:26

get her response. But of course, all of

44:28

that is not being heard. And that's

44:30

scripted, too, that she can't understand what

44:33

they're saying. Right. But they do give

44:35

examples of what they're saying. Oh, really?

44:37

What do they say? Can you read

44:39

that? I'm curious. Sure. I'm curious. I

44:41

love that you found this script. I

44:43

know. This is awesome. Oh

44:45

my gosh. This is a game changer

44:48

in terms of like how we

44:50

understand the episode. Oh my God. We

44:52

can now refer to this.

44:54

This is like the Oxford English Dictionary

44:56

when he's looking at the etymology when

44:58

Armin's doing that. Now, we have the

45:00

script. So what it says on page

45:03

22a of the yellow version of

45:06

the script, it

45:08

says legislators and comprehensible. That's

45:10

in parenthetical. Major,

45:14

some answers. These are all ellipsis.

45:16

Major, ellipsis. Some answers,

45:18

ellipsis. I demand an

45:21

explanation. Major, major. Over here,

45:24

give us the details. Major, may

45:26

I ask a question? Over

45:29

here, may I have

45:31

the floor, please? So they're

45:33

trying to get our attention and they want

45:35

to say things and they also have some

45:37

questions to ask. Wow. Okay. I have a

45:39

question for you, Armin. This is kind of a

45:41

union question in a way. So

45:44

you have a group of background like that. And

45:48

if they were to have lines, they would

45:50

be paid differently. They wouldn't be background. But

45:53

as a group, they can

45:55

say all the things you just read that were scripted.

45:57

I would venture to say... Yes. that

46:00

group of people may or

46:02

may not have said it, but

46:04

the loop group did. Yeah, yeah, it was

46:06

a loop group. And they

46:08

are not background people, they are,

46:12

they are performers that get residuals. So as

46:14

a union, now we're getting into the weeds.

46:16

I don't know if the people who were in

46:19

the scene actually had those lines, they probably didn't.

46:21

If they would have gotten into a real mess

46:24

if they had union

46:26

wise, I think probably the loop

46:28

group said the lines. Okay.

46:30

Yeah. Okay. Well, we

46:32

do see, we do see

46:35

Dax. Dax is in this vision and

46:37

she's dressed in what

46:39

looks like Vedic wind's clothing because she

46:41

does have the signature Sydney Opera House

46:43

hat on. And

46:46

Dax tells Kira to listen to

46:48

them. Kira says she can't hear

46:50

them. And Dax says it's

46:52

all right and then hugs her. And

46:54

as Dax pulls back, it's no longer

46:56

Dax, but it is Vedic wind who

46:58

is standing in front of her who

47:00

asks then, can you hear them now,

47:02

child or whatever she says. Minister

47:05

Jaro is on the other side of Kira

47:07

behind her and he says that he can

47:09

hear them and that they are calling to

47:11

him. And now we know there's something going

47:13

on here. There's some type of politics happening

47:15

here. Vedic Brial then

47:17

appears and he's not wearing Vedic clothing,

47:20

but it looks like military clothing and

47:22

he does her outfit. Yeah, yes, military.

47:24

That's exactly what it says in the

47:26

script. Her outfit. Oh, oh, oh,

47:28

he's wearing Kira's, Major Kira's outfit. That's what

47:30

I thought. Yeah. Vedic Brial appears

47:33

in Kira's uniform and tells Kira not

47:35

to listen to Jaro, but to allow

47:37

herself to hear them, to trust herself.

47:39

She can hear them. They're calling to

47:42

her. Vedic wind then

47:44

says, blasphemy. The minute Vedic

47:46

wind says blasphemy, Kira's clothes

47:48

magically disappear. There's no more

47:50

clothing left. She asks for

47:52

help from Brial who suddenly

47:54

loses all of his clothing

47:56

as well, appears behind her. She leans

47:58

back into the room. to him, she turns

48:01

around to face him and they're just

48:03

about to kiss when the orb flashes

48:05

them right back to reality. Yeah,

48:08

this vision, by the way, I will say, looking

48:11

at it as a director and producer. Yeah.

48:14

It took a long time to shoot this.

48:16

Oh my god. Because of all the magical

48:18

changes, you couldn't just set up a close

48:20

up of Kieran and shoot the whole scene.

48:22

Right. You had to shoot five different close ups of her

48:24

because she was all over the place, people

48:27

done clothed, people changing clothes.

48:30

This was a whole day, Robbie. Am

48:33

I right? Would this have taken the entire

48:35

day practically? They might have walked away while

48:37

someone changed, done something else and come back.

48:39

Yeah. You know, this would have been a

48:41

hard one to skip. Not an efficient scene

48:44

to film. No. And interesting

48:46

enough for me, as I was reading this

48:48

yesterday, yes, they

48:50

got their clothes off. But

48:52

the way it's described in the script,

48:55

we should have seen more skin, actually.

48:57

Oh my goodness. Do you mind reading

49:00

how it's described? Okay.

49:03

For those of you who have kids out there, you know,

49:05

turn this off. Oh

49:09

boy. I love this. Scene

49:11

35. Kieran, medium close

49:14

up, optical. From behind her, a

49:16

man's arm embraces her arms, which

49:18

cover her breasts. Everything

49:20

to discover it is Boral again,

49:23

behind her now, visibly naked from the

49:25

waist up, pulling her back to him.

49:27

And as she feels the skin against

49:30

skin, she gasps and looks up at

49:32

his face as it moves down to

49:34

her lips. So from

49:36

that, I get the sense that they wanted to

49:38

see a little bit more skin. More skin time.

49:41

But Corey chose to make, use a tighter shot

49:43

there and not show the lower parts of the

49:46

body. Or did shoot it. And the

49:48

powers of B said no. No way. Yeah.

49:51

Or the actor may have said no. No way. Yeah.

49:55

Yeah. Right. You

49:57

mean you're saying Nana. Nana or or Philip.

50:00

Philip, maybe Philip didn't want to show his midsection. That's

50:02

possible. I don't want to do that. Yeah. Okay.

50:05

Kind of like when I had that little, uh,

50:08

lower tank top and I said, no, I'm

50:10

not wearing that. Yes. I

50:12

was put in a costume once. It

50:15

was Armin. This was a lady's top.

50:17

It was not meant for a man. No, I

50:19

was putting in something that didn't fit. It was,

50:22

it was not, it just didn't in so many

50:24

ways was wrong. And I walked on the set

50:26

and the entire crew started laughing at me. And

50:28

I said, I'm not wearing. I'm not doing the

50:31

same in this outfit. I've never

50:33

seen, you have to do that sometime.

50:37

You have to do that sometime.

50:39

Pick your battles, but yes. Yeah.

50:42

This is one of the very few times

50:44

in seven years that Robbie was unhinged. Like

50:46

literally that he's usually so calm. And that

50:48

time he was like, no, I think

50:50

you, I think you took it off on

50:53

set and just threw it on the ground. You

50:55

were like, I'm not wearing this. Maybe. Okay. Robbie.

50:57

I think I tried. Sorry to digress on this,

50:59

but I think I tried and I put it

51:01

on and I'm like, I was with you. You

51:04

called me into your trailer. Robbie was like,

51:06

crew laughed. I was like, no, I'm not

51:08

doing it. You can't Robbie. I think Robbie,

51:10

he's just come to my trailer. I go

51:12

into his trailer. He's like, this is my

51:14

wardrobe. I'm like, what? That's not,

51:17

this must be Bologna's. This is not

51:19

your clothing. There's no way. He's like,

51:21

what? He puts it on and he's

51:23

like, no, I can't, I

51:25

can't wear this. I can't. I said, but this is what

51:27

they gave you. Right? He's like, yeah. All right. So he

51:29

walks in on set all the crew

51:31

start. Billy Pete's was laughing. Everyone was laughing

51:33

the second he walked on because it was

51:35

made of velvet. It was velvet with thin

51:37

straps and it was supposed to be a

51:39

beach scene. And I was like, this is

51:42

not what Rob, what Tom Paris or

51:44

any man would choose to wear. I mean, this is,

51:46

it was not. It's not what Tom Paris would choose

51:48

to wear. No. Anyway,

51:51

we digress. Yeah. But Bob Blackman had

51:53

a problem with swimsuits. He's a great,

51:55

wonderful Emmy winning designer. But

51:57

it came to swimsuits. really

52:00

bizarre. That wasn't his cup of tea.

52:02

That's okay. Fine. Exterior space

52:04

shot of the station and now we're in the

52:06

security office. We see Odo's

52:08

view screen. He's having a conversation

52:11

with obviously someone that he's

52:13

friends with, a Bajoran law enforcement officer

52:15

that tells Odo that there were several

52:17

beatings the night before, but

52:19

when they go looking for the perpetrators, they

52:21

are nowhere to be found. Odo

52:24

thinks that there's somebody that has

52:26

been tipping or at

52:28

least giving the circle rebels

52:31

tips on where the law enforcement

52:33

officers are going to be. And

52:36

so that's why they keep disappearing. The provisional

52:38

government is now bringing troops into the Capitol

52:40

to put an end to the circle. And

52:42

that's when our beloved Armin shows up and

52:45

tells Odo that it's all over. Work walks in. He's

52:48

beside himself. It's all over. All

52:50

of it. We have to leave.

52:52

We have to get out of here.

52:54

And he also admits in the scene that

52:57

he knows the circle has lots of weapons.

53:00

Oh, yeah. The Krasari are smuggling

53:02

them in. I

53:04

don't know if we know they're Krasari. No, you don't. No,

53:06

we don't. We certainly don't know that. No. Well,

53:09

Krasari are smuggling them in. Right. But

53:12

I think doesn't Odo say something to

53:14

Krasari or like botanists or something? He

53:17

says this is very odd because the

53:19

Krasari are known to be traders of

53:21

botanic DNA. So we're talking

53:23

about plant stuff, you know, not any. Vegetarian

53:27

pacifists. They're being. They're

53:30

not. They're not into the end.

53:32

They're not well. They're flower children. They are. They

53:35

are. They are. But Odo asked the

53:37

computer when the next Krasari vessel is docking. It's 36 hours

53:39

away. And

53:42

Quark still wants to leave. He's out

53:44

of here. Yeah. And

53:46

Odo, I love this when Odo says, Quark, I

53:49

hate to do this. I hate that I have to

53:51

do this, but I'm

53:53

going to make you a deputy. Yeah.

53:55

There's That whole writing of how, how Quark's

53:58

like, no, no, you can't just fighting again. That

54:00

and then he's comply know com and

54:02

I know with some yeah you know

54:04

what's nice is it it's usually not

54:06

good right whenever own separate good for

54:08

sniff for a good deborah God is

54:10

ever gets but bed when you realize

54:12

he's deputizing you you give off that

54:15

that last that just you know but

54:17

you aren't of my heart that oh

54:19

my God scripted. The oh yes

54:21

It always amazed to see that yesterday when

54:23

oh my god that was Smith. Yeah wow

54:25

wow I'm surprised to guy so either thought

54:27

that was my choice no no it was

54:29

as huge laugh at been at the very

54:31

and to buy like I'm you're leaving right?

54:33

Okay and that's when he says you have

54:35

two options. You need to be a prisoner

54:37

or deputy Big ones. So he blackmails uses

54:39

a black male seen as witnesses. Is

54:42

what I learned that Simone lovers and. I.

54:45

Love the way you say i'm a deputy. The

54:47

and and speed. Ah yes, I admit. That

54:49

people are you were trying it on

54:51

for size as what was he was

54:53

awesome yeah a thank you. Expected it

54:56

with sits lovely or it on it

54:58

if in also i use for years.

55:01

Been. A and I. Would. Always so we

55:03

didn't have that many scenes together but had

55:05

just you guys and to the Delta Flyer

55:07

beginning to say no we or wrong we

55:09

said we're seems to my the ever remembers

55:11

and more than perhaps Renee ever remember that

55:14

we we had much more than I thought

55:16

we did in this been one of them.

55:18

this been with. Great. Scene: It's

55:20

a great Zach. This will lead me to

55:22

one of my bonus comments later on, but

55:24

this this scene was one of my favorites

55:26

in the up so that was great. Good.

55:28

So basically Otoh charges you with finding out

55:30

the destination of the weapons and his job

55:32

is to find out how they got smoke.

55:34

I mean how they began the been didn't

55:36

beginnings of the smuggling basically. So where do

55:38

they come from and he wants a know

55:40

from you, where are they going to? That's

55:42

the end of the see. Everything

55:44

comes great Scene We go op's

55:46

next Cisco's go into Bajur were

55:48

to talk to the ministers there.

55:51

He thinks there may be a

55:53

coup happening. He tells Lean dollars

55:55

to check with his military contacts

55:57

if the government. Has.

55:59

You. Know and. Support. And

56:01

he also tells way the end of the

56:03

seen that he's a signed him a bodyguard.

56:07

That you know the terrorists. Are.

56:09

Putting graffiti on his his own door and.

56:12

Commanders. Door so. Things

56:15

are bad. I did see a camera shadow in

56:17

the same a bring up. And.

56:19

You know sometimes when act as walk

56:21

too close to the lens the lights

56:23

behind the camera will shadow. You.

56:25

Know the the the camera will. But.

56:28

A shadow to light him. And as

56:30

can't believe Leno's followed Cisco up there. There

56:32

was a big camera shadow as he walked

56:34

by pretty close which is rare. Usually they

56:36

catch that of the do it again him

56:39

fix it. But. Seem. Like they

56:41

didn't haven't a choice and that. When. right?

56:43

And this is another scene where it ends

56:45

with the turbo lists to he descending right

56:48

and it isn't doesn't he lives this Weather

56:50

Cameras the shot goes. No.

56:52

And to the last one we talked enough

56:54

for L was no no that's coming up

56:56

that's when I was are loaded that's what

56:58

arm and in the scene member arms on

57:00

op's and he goes. We talk about my

57:02

compensation later as he gives them the final

57:05

bid as any going the last and it's

57:07

from stuff. there's a lot of lights that's

57:09

what I'm saying this. the theme of the

57:11

for me the old are off of puts

57:13

the the glue that holds this episode together.

57:15

Are these turbulent just like bam bam bam

57:17

bam bam The trouble That episode for me

57:19

okay we go to the Monastery Garden Nectar

57:21

Briles. Approaching Kiera there and he

57:24

asked her about her or experience

57:26

he. He says you know you

57:28

were in my vision i had an

57:30

orb experience you were in my my

57:32

vision was I in yours is fishing

57:34

here since i see is and she

57:36

lives she says no. Us which

57:38

I thought was interesting. That's

57:42

why like arm and your your theory makes

57:44

total sense of setting up some romance. That

57:46

might be a reason for to stay here,

57:48

but the fact that she says knows to

57:51

me feels like she's not interested in going

57:53

there with. Him. Yeah was you may

57:55

be interested but see via really

57:57

feels that says that her purpose

57:59

and. If is to be useful is

58:01

to be a thinks is to help

58:03

and this is. Although, it

58:06

would be comfortable, although it be something

58:08

that would be nerve shakes. It's not

58:10

her role in Lights Up. that's what

58:12

I got from watching. Their. Korea,

58:16

Had often less people out of focus

58:18

for an extended period of time. Spaces

58:20

in the scene between Quark and Out

58:22

Of is a long period of time

58:25

when it's a two shot of us.

58:27

But But Out. Of Photo.

58:29

Is very much and focus and co op

58:31

is only a foot or two. behind him.

58:34

In the office is Tania Fox. but prop.

58:36

Extended period time. I hear that sometimes fading

58:38

in and out. Of course we have to

58:40

do that, but this was an extended period

58:43

of time and I guess my ego or

58:45

didn't like the fact that I was out

58:47

of focus to that I remember was just

58:49

it was when auto turned. Towards.

58:52

You know, turned away from you and was typing

58:54

on a computer off camera. We couldn't see what

58:56

it was doing, but he was. He was met,

58:58

you know, talking about how he was looking into.

59:01

Whatever information you mentioned are some rain and

59:03

then he did the same thing. It's is

59:06

my notes that earth. Though. We

59:08

see Richard famers back for for a

59:10

long period of time. In the scene

59:13

with Cisco. He was interested in getting

59:15

his Se sont cameras. To

59:17

every as I replace, I remember that.

59:20

Yeah. There were no harder for Cisco leaves

59:22

to go to the planet, the that's what

59:24

is arguably knowledge. There was no coverage of

59:27

runway at all in that moment and it

59:29

was kind of a longer the I agree

59:31

with the right I forgot about that, but

59:33

yeah, Ah, and and as a

59:35

set of and it's in that moment when

59:37

they're walking under that tunnel which we remember

59:39

they're totally in the black that normally we

59:42

lose them all together. When we know that's

59:44

then we know that super as high as

59:46

self aware of it but yeah, as as

59:48

and with it wouldn't have bothered me so

59:50

much if we hadn't lost the other actors

59:53

in previous seasons. Make it is

59:55

actually stood out more because of that. your

59:57

the miss all that okay that aren't. Okay,

1:00:00

well you know they're in the most

1:00:02

a garden and they're talking and she's

1:00:04

very end of a so she doesn't

1:00:07

say what really happened in her vision

1:00:09

and then of the blue vedic when

1:00:11

is up and on top of the

1:00:13

bridge and again it's just. He

1:00:16

the creepiness that you got from Vedic

1:00:18

Brio as has sort of infected Vedic

1:00:20

when as well. She's extra creepy and

1:00:22

is very very big. What the heck

1:00:24

is going on? She's I but I

1:00:26

get it from her. I get it

1:00:28

because it slips if you're not a

1:00:30

trustworthy. wow They arm and. I.

1:00:32

Would venture to say. A lot

1:00:35

of people are are saying one

1:00:37

thing and meaning something else. lots

1:00:39

of the new window throughout this

1:00:42

Soviets excuse me throughout the episode

1:00:44

yes some and it may be

1:00:46

because this is a very political

1:00:48

episode and so we're sisk suggesting

1:00:51

that politicians are a little bits.

1:00:54

Insincere in says. You.

1:00:56

Know or yo what? or doublespeak. They

1:00:59

have a lot of doublespeak going on.

1:01:01

C Advocacy acts very friendly, super friendly,

1:01:03

an innocent like she doesn't know anything

1:01:06

within their lives. Of

1:01:08

our and some ways his choice

1:01:10

because the has gripped says she's

1:01:12

genuinely nice. okay that the script

1:01:15

since for the riding know oh

1:01:17

it when says we've met before

1:01:19

haven't we major. Major.

1:01:21

I'm a I just a to

1:01:24

me you the last time that

1:01:26

Kiro talk to Vedic when was

1:01:29

do remember after the almost assassination

1:01:31

attempt yes he grabs. Vedic.

1:01:33

Wins arm very forcibly I'm going to say but

1:01:35

it would hazard as a bruise still from that

1:01:37

which is like I know it was. You know

1:01:40

what you're doing. Here is under

1:01:42

her you know? So it just yeah. I.

1:01:44

Don't know. Well if you're gonna hire

1:01:46

a nurse ratched to play the part,

1:01:48

say you're you're gonna have a little

1:01:50

bit of teeth in in Vr. He

1:01:52

really are. So I do what he

1:01:54

was. Yeah, very fake, friendly figure, friendly

1:01:56

and then. Ah, She does said

1:01:59

the end I love. Zeus she's a

1:02:01

stay as many days as you

1:02:03

want even a week. As the

1:02:05

above all grades are we need

1:02:07

see bicycle and with what about

1:02:10

that other line where when says

1:02:12

a briar, a browser something and

1:02:14

winters good for you Vedic arrival.

1:02:17

After. Working so hard. You.

1:02:19

Deserve a little recreation so it's sort

1:02:21

of. I've seen, knows that there's some

1:02:23

playing a game yell or also that

1:02:25

there's some possibility of fireworks between these

1:02:27

two exactly. And and in the script

1:02:29

there is an lips is before she

1:02:31

says recreates. Oh is there a direct

1:02:33

the and writers are giving her that

1:02:35

it okay to be to be that

1:02:37

way to make that suggest. Now we

1:02:39

have a planet shot next and then

1:02:41

we go inside this war room or

1:02:43

on base. Your and there's a beautiful.

1:02:45

It's a beautiful set by the way.

1:02:47

I mean another note about Coreys. Compositions.

1:02:50

Of shots and things. He he did

1:02:53

some beautiful symmetrical photography in this episode

1:02:55

and what I mean by that is.

1:02:58

He. Would take. The. Frame of

1:03:00

the camera. And. Balance

1:03:02

it completely. He'd put right in

1:03:04

the cross hairs. The actor. As

1:03:07

opposed to putting them on one side or the

1:03:09

other which is often what you do to sort

1:03:11

of balance. The. Edit: He would

1:03:14

put them dead center. And. In

1:03:16

this scene Cisco. Was.

1:03:19

Beautifully to composed dead center of

1:03:21

that sat in a weird that.

1:03:24

Almost. Made him look. You know,

1:03:26

religiously holy in some way. He had

1:03:28

this sort of circle around his head

1:03:30

and the sort of Francisco or Crim

1:03:32

the General or or both less. Cisco

1:03:34

in the in the entrance had a

1:03:37

particular design. The thought was very flattering,

1:03:39

a mere symmetrical kind of framing He

1:03:41

did was beautiful. and the general looks.

1:03:43

Great. As well I'll I thought

1:03:45

the same photographically was done beautifully. If

1:03:48

I was a guest are now General Crim and

1:03:50

I walk on. That said, I'd be very impressed.

1:03:52

I just I would help my acting student with

1:03:54

this verse is amazing that War Rubio was really

1:03:57

been done. Yeah. I'm Cisco

1:03:59

Visits. General though he says the army

1:04:01

keeps pulling back from the circle like why

1:04:03

are they doing that and crim. Menaces.

1:04:06

Listen, it's Bajaur and against Bajaur and you

1:04:08

you don't understand play I wouldn't get it.

1:04:10

Right? We can't We're We're not going

1:04:13

a killer on people behind and Cisco

1:04:15

tells him. That he

1:04:17

tells him about this cursory ship that

1:04:19

supplying weapons to the circle. And.

1:04:21

He does say I'll keep you updated. We know

1:04:23

a little bit but we're trying to find out

1:04:25

more but this is news to general From has

1:04:27

no gazprom, has no idea of a. Charisma.

1:04:30

And and gravitas. And he was

1:04:32

good enough. And originally the idea

1:04:34

was to get another Kirk. You

1:04:36

know that that's what they only

1:04:38

made possibly in their head. So

1:04:40

Stephen it physically looked, you know,

1:04:42

in that mode. yeah. funneled. You.

1:04:45

Know that the writing know I just. I've

1:04:47

never heard someone say when Cisco says i

1:04:49

understand she hasn't been reassigned yet it would

1:04:51

mean a great deal for me to get

1:04:53

her back. And General Cream says that's out

1:04:56

of my purview p You are the I

1:04:58

eat of you have of I have you

1:05:00

ever seen it written that? I mean that

1:05:02

type of dialogue layer that I purview out

1:05:04

of my pro. Okay now. Or

1:05:07

a fancy word care. Very. Fancy. And

1:05:09

I know you read a lot on Voyager.

1:05:11

Subliminal, come across, read a lot of fancy

1:05:13

words. I and Armand read more fancy words

1:05:15

of me. So again, Or it

1:05:17

it's in I say my arm and per view

1:05:20

is an enormous for the next time I'm on

1:05:22

I will get to the O E D definition

1:05:24

of per view and emptier of the of that

1:05:26

would really help me in the script which was

1:05:29

a surprise to me. It says. Grim

1:05:31

is not sure which psyche, so.

1:05:34

This. Is the really this is what

1:05:36

it says in the while but whatever

1:05:38

side he wants to be on the

1:05:40

winning side but he has chosen as

1:05:43

yet is what the script says. Incessant

1:05:45

shows and as yet which side season.

1:05:48

I think I yeah we play back. Got

1:05:50

that from the presents for carefully for sure

1:05:52

because I wasn't sure. I'm like yeah, is

1:05:54

he with his work or not yet? We

1:05:56

don't l. L. L

1:05:59

is our events. Throughout this that's for

1:06:01

sure is these thinking the wheels turn?

1:06:03

Yeah, very well acted. Now. Yeah,

1:06:05

we go to Op's next. Dax tells

1:06:07

the li knowledge whose I guess in

1:06:10

charge he feels. The. I guess

1:06:12

the first officer so he seems like

1:06:14

a lean all us even though he

1:06:16

didn't know what to do in this

1:06:18

a job is now in charge yet

1:06:20

attacks as a got another call from

1:06:22

this guy. Can't keep smiling and we

1:06:24

realize that it is the cursory captain.

1:06:26

He. Who's been docks? And

1:06:29

they are. You. Know investigating his

1:06:31

ship and he's not happy about he's

1:06:33

been delayed for hours and Li is

1:06:35

very friendly. Tells him you know. Calm.

1:06:38

Down. We'll get through this. Is

1:06:40

quick as we can. And. You

1:06:42

see on the view screen Easy O'brien in

1:06:45

the background behind the captaincy. I see him

1:06:47

sort of shit. Oh I thought it was

1:06:49

a funny framing made me laugh because you

1:06:52

get again not focusing on the on the

1:06:54

series regular some be slightly he was an

1:06:56

identity as it was out of focus or

1:06:58

but certainly not not to dwell upon. know

1:07:01

I'm not legit. On is a varied backgrounds

1:07:03

in in the phone call was a very

1:07:05

background kind of. Peripheral.

1:07:08

Saying. But then we do go into

1:07:10

their cursory cargo bay. Yeah, and we

1:07:12

see. O'brien. Take this case,

1:07:14

he puts it back. Dax calls and

1:07:16

physical O'brien and Dax decide this is

1:07:18

let him go and finish. If.

1:07:20

There's any further problems though. Deal with it on

1:07:22

the return in a few days. For. At

1:07:25

that moment I was like a brain has gone

1:07:27

through everything like i guess they feel like he's

1:07:29

innocent. But. What we don't

1:07:32

realize is a Brian leaves. The

1:07:35

captain as as prepared as apart

1:07:37

he leaves and suddenly off the

1:07:39

label of this case. The

1:07:42

Guru forms. From. Odors

1:07:44

do forms into a rat.

1:07:47

Out A was the label he was unable

1:07:49

to related to the rat so it's not.

1:07:51

Did they checked everything on the ship yet?

1:07:53

but they're going to move on the plan

1:07:56

B which is owed of. Stowing.

1:07:58

Away and. La.

1:08:00

Be perfectly honest, if I was auto I would have

1:08:02

stayed the label. I wouldn't have turned into the Rat.

1:08:04

I would have been the label but we don't know

1:08:06

that it's own was he turns and less a turns

1:08:08

into something the are we going to see the go.

1:08:11

The Rat did a good job by the way. the

1:08:13

right way around it. American chef. excellent. Ah,

1:08:15

we go to the monastery garden

1:08:17

again. Cisco finds Kiera daydreaming there

1:08:19

and says he's getting into this

1:08:21

monastery by to start my day

1:08:24

dreaming interests. You. Know not

1:08:26

be like she's finally let go of

1:08:28

her. I've gotta do something for a

1:08:30

moment and she signing up you think

1:08:32

decide. I know that we highlights. Is

1:08:35

collector know he hasn't given up bringing him

1:08:37

back if she still interested? And

1:08:39

she does mention that the circle is

1:08:41

getting so close that she can hear

1:08:44

the gunfire from downstairs. And.

1:08:47

Cisco mentions he didn't have the motors going

1:08:49

to back the government. But. Yeah.

1:08:53

He wants her to know that he hasn't given

1:08:55

up getting braver than he has out. And

1:08:58

says she starts to go back to

1:09:00

daydreaming for a moment but then she

1:09:02

grabbed and tranquilize players read mystery caped

1:09:04

thugs Jos the thing don't you think

1:09:06

Cisco what I heard that Robbie he

1:09:08

just last I mean check ins from

1:09:10

when they that also happens Ray as

1:09:12

you would have thought I mean I

1:09:14

know the hyper Spader I get it

1:09:16

I get it but still to the

1:09:18

the water they were trampling in the

1:09:20

water and the rocks. I think she

1:09:22

would have heard that the to the

1:09:24

commotion but now it reminds me of

1:09:26

a show runner to work for. Quite

1:09:28

a bit. who's who was all about geography

1:09:30

and as and make logical geography sense. And

1:09:32

this moment didn't your now I have a

1:09:34

good point. Yeah, Baby. Is Cisco

1:09:36

had taken off one way and cure had

1:09:39

turned and started to walk and then you

1:09:41

cut to her rounding a corner. Some.

1:09:43

Even ten feet away, the map would

1:09:45

make sense hut yet would have said oh

1:09:48

now are slightly different plays out of

1:09:50

this together yet but it happened in the

1:09:52

same spot. the exact same spot where they

1:09:54

were having a conversation where he has

1:09:56

a geography and logic did not make sense.

1:09:59

No way. Cameo. Okay so yes

1:10:01

he gets jumper the dogs we go

1:10:03

in a cursory cargo bay now the

1:10:05

rat is sneaks out. The rap would

1:10:07

give a beautiful forms but the risk.

1:10:10

Like a rodeo present? Yes,

1:10:12

Yes. good. Very focused and.

1:10:16

He was alone out some Disney Song Seamstress

1:10:18

Leave us. Alone

1:10:20

out for Disney or but around. watches

1:10:22

as a card as him beam then

1:10:24

is get a box of some weapons.

1:10:27

The captain sign for it occurred as

1:10:29

and leaves and Otoh the rat basically

1:10:31

watches the whole thing happened. So I

1:10:33

love how they don't sign their actual

1:10:36

signature but it's just a thumbprint. That's

1:10:38

it, that's message. That.

1:10:40

Actually would be a better signature for us

1:10:43

now that yeah I think we be a

1:10:45

it's Darlington Heard like yeah was you just

1:10:47

tap your credit card Now it's close. It's

1:10:49

I assume they're. Getting their. That's.

1:10:52

True Ah, we go Where where did

1:10:54

cure Ago wells were in an underground

1:10:56

bunker the headquarters of the sir. Guess

1:10:58

it's the circle bunker. Lots of activity

1:11:01

am curious down there. Gyros have not

1:11:03

you jaeger feet that did not make

1:11:05

any so none at all. wouldn't you

1:11:07

come out as jar on the same

1:11:09

level of the cure is sitting on

1:11:11

but now he goes up to the

1:11:13

mezzanine and he's up in the lessening

1:11:15

of the cave. What does out. What?

1:11:18

And also why would you take her to

1:11:20

the very place that you've been keeping secret

1:11:22

for as long as you have? Yes as

1:11:24

as kid it's not a it. do it

1:11:27

somewhere else and I understand why they have

1:11:29

to do it because it is. The.

1:11:31

Length of the episodes but but it

1:11:33

just didn't make sense to take her

1:11:35

there into the center of were all

1:11:37

the weapons are adjusted. make him know

1:11:39

arm and I think I think Gyro

1:11:41

thought he could convert her. I really

1:11:43

felt that he in his mind that

1:11:45

now I can convince this. May.

1:11:47

Know person or to join the club. Big

1:11:50

gamble though is a few of Gamma. You're

1:11:52

right, you're right. doesn't make sense. She should

1:11:54

have been blindfolded. Supernova look as well. Ah

1:11:56

Jar walks out on that second level looking

1:11:58

very dramatic. Frank Langella. The top girl

1:12:00

says year he is the boss of

1:12:03

the circle. He is the circle. He

1:12:05

says yes and he wants to know

1:12:07

from Kiera what Cisco and Starfleet are

1:12:10

gonna do. If. They mount the

1:12:12

school. And. Kiera refuses to help

1:12:14

and Zero basically says, well, you know

1:12:16

we learned from the Kardashians how to

1:12:19

get people to talk so we know

1:12:21

she's gonna go get tortured or Kara,

1:12:23

it's horrible. Near. I.

1:12:25

Wonder where your caves? The same cage that

1:12:27

we used ensure they were him and should

1:12:30

they were here at it looks like the

1:12:32

caves that we shot Voyager on. Down.

1:12:35

The road. Yeah. Didn't it garrett

1:12:37

to say I love Hundred as an okay

1:12:39

yeah you member? The one episode Robbie I

1:12:41

think it's basics were that that alien serpent

1:12:44

monster came in and eight the I'm Dennis

1:12:46

bad loan. Yep, that was that was there.

1:12:48

He was on a second level in the

1:12:51

same second lot. easier to because knowing they

1:12:53

were throwing spears that the serpent's and Dennis

1:12:55

battle and dies in the depths of. Yeah

1:12:57

yeah, same very dramatically. Ah

1:13:00

we go ops next. Cisco wants

1:13:02

to find Sera. He is is

1:13:05

really. Worried about her

1:13:07

A Brian says odors gonna be back

1:13:09

and twelve hours so we still don't

1:13:11

know odors. When. Otoh his they don't

1:13:13

know what out of has discovered. They

1:13:16

won't know for twelve hours from

1:13:18

a cork enters Op's here and.

1:13:20

Ah, he does admit that he

1:13:23

knows where they're holding curates in

1:13:25

the labyrinth between a beneath, the

1:13:27

per riki and peninsula. Are

1:13:30

paired human rekindled on? I'll tell you the

1:13:32

pronunciation to the other day I said did

1:13:34

they had somebody tell you this Can I

1:13:36

realized oh yeah we always had isn't as

1:13:38

he isn't as yeah yes. Ah,

1:13:42

Horizon Pariah. He a pariah I

1:13:45

didn't And Peninsula guys hang out

1:13:47

there in the the basically in

1:13:50

a cave, sets on stage seventeen

1:13:52

or whatever. It's easy to see

1:13:54

us off their in the cave

1:13:57

said ah that's where Clark says

1:13:59

there. Holding Kiera. And

1:14:01

Cisco calls for a rescue team, heads

1:14:04

off to a runabout and Li knowledge

1:14:06

wants to join faces. I feel like

1:14:08

I owe it to Kiera. And.

1:14:11

And this is plants and they were

1:14:13

that sophists goes. This work was just

1:14:15

standing there yet and and is their

1:14:17

viewpoint of cork I still in Op's

1:14:19

basically right the way to dance to

1:14:21

blacks. But it was also interesting because

1:14:23

Dax was part the way team and

1:14:25

the wind least that he wanted to

1:14:28

come. Back. Didn't know it's

1:14:30

Judah. usually decks would still be part of

1:14:32

the way timidly knowledge of be the addition

1:14:34

to the away team but yes they did.

1:14:37

They. Did a dose edo were sort of like

1:14:39

oh okay well. transporters can only transport five

1:14:41

people at a zone says. There's

1:14:44

a year and also loves Zimbabwe arm

1:14:46

and west. When he say i I

1:14:49

know were he born cure opening courses

1:14:51

you see, Otoh blackmailed me into helping

1:14:53

him. A matter that I've been meaning

1:14:55

to bring to your attention. Commanders Cisco

1:14:57

goes quarks. get up to our. Spoke

1:15:00

and. Guess at the

1:15:02

debt that scripted tooth up, but not

1:15:05

to the extent that Avery did it.

1:15:07

I know how it was it

1:15:09

it was very heart of the

1:15:11

it it was. it was very

1:15:13

hot. The script simply says when

1:15:16

we don't have time for that

1:15:18

now that that's with the script

1:15:20

indicates on bread but but I

1:15:22

am. I thought it was. A

1:15:25

don't unnecessarily and unnecessary yeah knows.

1:15:27

I mean, after all, Ah

1:15:29

yes I understand that they want to

1:15:32

get to curate Sep. I understand it

1:15:34

as need right there. Seemed surprised to

1:15:36

see my characters is just brought them

1:15:38

enormously valuable information you gave them at

1:15:41

the height and this as you as

1:15:43

good as what I'm saying for keeps

1:15:45

giving them keys to the kingdom over

1:15:47

and over and gets no respect. I.

1:15:50

Don't really after if I was Cisco getting

1:15:52

this information from you cork am when you

1:15:54

say this is a matter of I've been

1:15:57

meaning to bring your densely commanders I would

1:15:59

have it's. Cork, You know I would have been

1:16:01

more like thanks friends rice but I don't have time for

1:16:03

this right now, right? That's right back Now would have been

1:16:05

a nicer way to do it. I

1:16:08

agree with you. Yeah. And I do

1:16:10

agree that Court continues. He gave out

1:16:12

of the information about the weapons be

1:16:14

muzzled. He's now giving Cisco information about

1:16:17

where like he's a key. They said

1:16:19

they should give him a little more

1:16:21

respect. Robbie Cork is turning into the

1:16:23

cast of Voyager with a very integral

1:16:25

person You know that is helping everybody

1:16:28

in the Cass and the Rodney Dangerfield.

1:16:30

and the Roughest No Respect as I

1:16:32

know. Respect exactly the right though it

1:16:34

pretty much pretty much. But he does

1:16:36

have that lovely scream at the very

1:16:38

end. With you just got a public opposition for

1:16:41

this one were under bar can be to to as

1:16:43

a set of the typical lifted going down was brilliant.

1:16:45

So good. We

1:16:47

go into the underground bunker discs weapons are

1:16:49

being handed out to the circle. Lots.

1:16:52

Of weapons. And. Then literally, just

1:16:54

in the nick of time, The.

1:16:56

Rescue Team beams and thank god they

1:16:58

didn't been in five seconds earlier. Could

1:17:01

there were a dozen guys with weapons

1:17:03

that would a shot him right away?

1:17:05

But anyway. yeah, But. They don't

1:17:07

do you think run ahead of time

1:17:09

it. They did the time to well

1:17:11

but Cisco debrief them as their after

1:17:14

they've been. didn't like. Shouldn't. You

1:17:16

have talked about that convert or is

1:17:18

yes in the shuttle in the in

1:17:20

the run about. Look here's our plan

1:17:22

Buzzer Tragic he didn't have the strategy

1:17:25

a strictly be did while there amongst

1:17:27

the danger and I thought oh okay

1:17:29

that's fine. Suppose. Stray Powerplants.

1:17:31

whoever finds cure us attached this combat

1:17:33

to her and get her out of

1:17:36

a be beamed. beam her up to

1:17:38

sick bay that's yup yup. They run

1:17:40

in and they're at with guns blazing.

1:17:42

Ameliorate Firefight happens they find curious is

1:17:45

bloody is get all of them says

1:17:47

disorder that was good make up see

1:17:49

look like see been beaten. Quite.

1:17:51

A bit so. Yup yup. Bashir goes

1:17:54

after and highs are he gets shot.

1:17:57

Know. Bush. You get shot, it looks

1:17:59

like it literally. Through his body and

1:18:01

hit the wall on the backside. But.

1:18:03

Yet. I don't

1:18:06

think they deal with it. My own is not

1:18:08

injured at all. Did you get a suburban? Yeah

1:18:10

yeah, yeah yeah. I'd

1:18:13

I. That. We have the

1:18:15

same problem the last episode where where's You

1:18:17

know. When all are cheap shot

1:18:19

in the other guy got shot me

1:18:21

other guys gone totally gone right now

1:18:23

is got a pain in the back

1:18:25

and that such as you would assume

1:18:27

that the card assay and weapons were

1:18:29

until set to kill not to be

1:18:32

done right because one guy already did

1:18:34

die italy knowledge did not and again

1:18:36

here you would think of Bajaur ins

1:18:38

are defending themselves on set to kill

1:18:40

as opposed to stun as well but

1:18:42

yet Bashir lives. Universe.

1:18:44

Makes sense, but you know you can

1:18:46

kill series regular even if it's. Know

1:18:49

him. And and will literally

1:18:51

when I saw the rescue team be men

1:18:54

with the two guys in the brown uniforms.

1:18:56

I was like they're going down. That.

1:18:58

It's so that they were the city. Where

1:19:01

is your and red shirts is what you're

1:19:03

saying Those yes of But they didn't die

1:19:05

either. They didn't die how they were to

1:19:07

lie to you know, police. at least that's

1:19:09

what the scripts as I don't remember the

1:19:11

shot focus group says everybody gets out including

1:19:13

the oh. Wow. The deputy

1:19:15

us it says as you get it

1:19:17

causes the deputies yasir but robbie bomber

1:19:19

in the last episode when you're joking

1:19:21

about how with the Kardashians at the

1:19:23

stone corridor big shots how they did

1:19:25

that jumping backwards flip way I see

1:19:27

would you assess the court Se am

1:19:29

very sorry that Bajaur and get security

1:19:31

guys were doing the same slipped back

1:19:33

and as like to see it go

1:19:35

up a piece of land right on

1:19:38

your feet were moments before he does

1:19:40

and set of falling against or oscar

1:19:42

he had else. So. When I

1:19:44

saw that I said they did. They just did a

1:19:46

Robbie special as quickly as they had. That's a Robbie

1:19:48

Special. Ego. Yeah. Well.

1:19:50

They go back there in the

1:19:53

infirmary. Bashir, who miraculously has no

1:19:55

injuries from his. Base. Or

1:19:57

hit I'm wiser. Doctor on and

1:19:59

waiting. Shouldn't be part of the attack

1:20:01

teams you know that? I suppose he could

1:20:03

be there in case someone got hurt for

1:20:06

a tough but he shouldn't be part be

1:20:08

attacked. No no definitely not. I don't let

1:20:10

him think Cisco should be part of the

1:20:12

to read excessively. that's that's what number one

1:20:14

is for their oh that's right that's right

1:20:17

now that's right li knowledge that of the

1:20:19

while he was there yet but Sears fixing

1:20:21

her wounds cure says eat they have to

1:20:23

hurry. That leaves the only chance they've got.

1:20:25

they've gotta get lean all us back there

1:20:27

he can speak to the Chamber of Ministers.

1:20:30

Yeah, maybe that can stop this. I'm

1:20:32

and then Odour Rise. He's back. He's

1:20:35

not no longer rat and desist. he

1:20:37

been under that a disclosure and you

1:20:39

think as far as my characters concerned

1:20:41

he scholar as far as it's a

1:20:44

Sakara. He did find out about the

1:20:46

cover card as him weapons the The

1:20:48

Kardashians. Week. He he he. Figures

1:20:52

out here. The. Kardashians are

1:20:54

just using Gyro and The Circle.

1:20:56

To. Get rid of Starfleet. And

1:20:59

then the Kardashians getting come back on.

1:21:01

clever turn. I thought of fifth level

1:21:03

turn a very clever turn I agree

1:21:05

down and auto has the Bruce He

1:21:07

actually stole that pad, the patented algebra,

1:21:09

the manifests pad and he has cardinals

1:21:11

he on scan on a young up.

1:21:14

Curtis. Him details of on the whole

1:21:16

thing. We go

1:21:18

to Op's next. Cisco asked acts the cob

1:21:20

age or she says all the channels are

1:21:23

jammed and curious as well. That means this

1:21:25

is started the to has started. Nabeel. And

1:21:28

that's when Cisco says get Me Admiral To

1:21:30

Coty at Starfleet Command I thought. It

1:21:32

rubber belt rented a while I was

1:21:35

really confused by know I'm always excited

1:21:37

that was going to be some tire

1:21:39

my know add or somebody. That's.

1:21:41

My thoughts but that I'd definitely was

1:21:43

not into indigenous for Reagan. My and

1:21:45

it's greed was as. You

1:21:47

know as know I would see my

1:21:49

teeth it either he will now he

1:21:52

was Mckee on my keys yeah he

1:21:54

not even close San Cisco wants to

1:21:56

talk it's Starfleet Command Admiral Dakota Day.

1:21:58

That and we. The Euro Planet shot.

1:22:02

And then down to the shrine. Yeah

1:22:04

we're when when he joins jar of

1:22:06

in the temple. And so the temple.

1:22:09

Yes! and they have a. A

1:22:11

wonderful seen here. I thought it

1:22:13

was really well played. Oh my

1:22:15

God. the caliber of acting in

1:22:17

that See my god really good

1:22:19

X When when Jordan star oh

1:22:21

there. He basically asked for her

1:22:23

public support. That. If he

1:22:25

gets the religious support. Them

1:22:27

the people go along with it.

1:22:30

She says that she wants. You.

1:22:32

Know orthodox values and base your

1:22:34

again. But. The assembly does not

1:22:36

listening to her and he says well he

1:22:38

can make that happen, He can make her

1:22:41

the new chi. Hill.

1:22:43

And Matt yeah and he also

1:22:45

said how would it be if

1:22:47

the new leader of Page or

1:22:49

joins your Orthodox effect So he's

1:22:51

basically saying i'm all in I'm

1:22:53

also Orthodox like you are even

1:22:55

joined your sex as long as

1:22:57

you scratch my back by Dell

1:22:59

Bibles for you are not actually

1:23:01

stood Accolade Wonderful. Seen see that

1:23:03

we the religious, the political will

1:23:05

come together in the scene. She

1:23:07

doesn't even say minister Jar oh

1:23:09

she calls him by his first

1:23:11

name here Esa. She's. Like, well,

1:23:13

I need more than that Esa

1:23:15

serfs. There is a history between

1:23:17

these two clearly already. Yes, we

1:23:19

gotta space shot next. And then

1:23:21

into Ops were. Cisco. Gets

1:23:24

a call from admiral to cook

1:23:26

Day O'brien tell Cisco the to

1:23:28

Bajaur an assault vessels are headed

1:23:30

towards the Us nine right now

1:23:32

and the at all non bajaur

1:23:34

ends. Have. Been ordered

1:23:36

to evacuate. So.

1:23:38

We're Cisco. take the call. Talk.

1:23:41

To the Admiral Tell them the

1:23:43

Kardashians are using the Civil War

1:23:45

to return control of the station

1:23:47

and to return to control of

1:23:49

the Station and control of the

1:23:51

Wormhole Card as his one it

1:23:53

all back. Admiral. Says

1:23:55

is this internal the Civil

1:23:57

War. And. Discussing.

1:24:00

Yeah, he goes well. Prime Directive means we

1:24:02

have to leave it alone. Stay.

1:24:04

Out of Internal Affairs a badge or.

1:24:07

Get out of their, that's an order. So.

1:24:09

The admiral's not helping him out. Know

1:24:11

each. You can't trust anybody named Sugarcoat.

1:24:13

A is what I eat. Out

1:24:17

there you say cards? Yeah you

1:24:19

may be was Mickey. Maybe somebody

1:24:22

like lot of things are not

1:24:24

looking good for our heroes here.

1:24:26

Oh no, we have a final

1:24:29

scene and off swear Cisco ask

1:24:31

Cheapo Brian how long it would

1:24:33

take to evacuate Deep Space Nine

1:24:36

O'brien's as yeah you know. Three.

1:24:38

Hours The Cisco goes No, No, no,

1:24:40

I mean complete evacuation where we take

1:24:42

everything that Starfleet, all the equipment, everything

1:24:44

and at that point O'brien's has was

1:24:47

that's probably a week or so. I

1:24:49

don't know. I mean Asia. This will

1:24:51

take forever and just Cisco ends with

1:24:53

that line. Then I guess some of

1:24:55

us won't quite be done by the

1:24:57

time they get year and that's the

1:24:59

end of the episode. So that's a

1:25:01

very politic thing for him to do.

1:25:03

And let us remember with General Grams

1:25:05

that this is not a politic mean.

1:25:07

I guess the episode. Proves that to

1:25:09

be natural fiasco as learning how

1:25:12

to replace the the nuance of

1:25:14

politics how to play ball. the

1:25:16

Us had had to play ball

1:25:19

and. Oh you. Are

1:25:21

a part three? Were going into a this

1:25:23

is we never had a three part we

1:25:26

never had a really hard her know. We.

1:25:28

Were only allowed to partners and iran you

1:25:31

to Partners even know if you talking about

1:25:33

two Part of we had very few two

1:25:35

partners and two or three the whole seven

1:25:37

years I agree is amazing. I love the

1:25:40

three Barter Here I do us I don't

1:25:42

know what was in the thoughts of the

1:25:44

writers and producers. This is forces the beginning

1:25:46

of the second season. Ah I can tell

1:25:48

you that we were losing your share a

1:25:51

at this point and and may related they

1:25:53

decided to do it three parter to try

1:25:55

to boost the ah the viewership. Wow. Interesting

1:25:58

at way the I mean as me thinking

1:26:01

i have no proof that they are no

1:26:03

breaks the ah but but I'm thinking damn

1:26:05

remembering back when and and problems that we

1:26:07

were facing and. The. Make so

1:26:09

it's a big episode is a big three

1:26:11

part episode right use and if you thought

1:26:14

and on credited actor of that calibre when

1:26:16

I use him, why not Why not. The.

1:26:19

Nearest I agree is amazing. I love the

1:26:22

three Parter Here I do us. I don't

1:26:24

know what was in the thoughts of the

1:26:26

writers and producers. This is courses the beginning

1:26:28

of the second season. Ah I can tell

1:26:31

you that we were losing your share our

1:26:33

at this point and in may realize that

1:26:35

they decided to do it three parter to

1:26:38

try that owns the odd the viewership. While.

1:26:41

An. Interesting way be I mean as me

1:26:43

think he I have no proof of the

1:26:45

i know by now but by I'm thinking

1:26:47

damn remembering back when and and problems that

1:26:49

we were facing and on. The. Make

1:26:52

so it's a big episode is a big

1:26:54

three part episode right use and if you

1:26:56

thought and on credited actor of that calibre

1:26:58

when I use him, why not Why not.

1:27:06

What is your take away? What is

1:27:08

your lesson? What is your life? Wrong.

1:27:10

Moral lesson. Code of

1:27:12

conduct for the side. Of

1:27:15

this is a hard one for me to

1:27:17

come up with a like a simple lesson.

1:27:19

My mind went to the famous quote of

1:27:21

Lord Acton. Where

1:27:23

he said, all tower seems

1:27:25

to corrupt An absolute power

1:27:27

corrupts absolutely. That's. Where my

1:27:30

mind when I love that? I

1:27:32

think that so apropos A really is I

1:27:34

think score of or other arm in arm

1:27:36

and what does your what does your overall

1:27:38

theme or lesson from this episode. Well.

1:27:41

As I watched this episode and I've

1:27:43

mentioned this already some everybody had in

1:27:46

new window everybody was saying one thing

1:27:48

but it was obvious the remaining something

1:27:50

else it wasn't just a pejorative was

1:27:52

also the those Starfleet people as well

1:27:55

and so are I went not to

1:27:57

and the Lord Ashton but I went

1:27:59

to. The Common Man, William

1:28:01

Shakespeare and and and something

1:28:03

from the Scottish Play where

1:28:05

he said there are Daggers

1:28:07

immense, immense. Power of

1:28:10

that. Yeah, I hate to be cynical, it's

1:28:12

very true. But I see I hate. I

1:28:14

I want believe people smile from. I hate

1:28:16

when I. Go. To that

1:28:18

paranoid place where I don't trust people.

1:28:20

But this episode says is. Don't.

1:28:23

Be naive new, don't be naive.

1:28:25

Yeah, And don't put your your toes

1:28:27

in the inner running stream because you'll get mugged.

1:28:30

With. It that's a server. A lesson.

1:28:33

right? There don't touch your toes

1:28:35

Skyn are running stream because you

1:28:37

will get mugged. Him A lesson

1:28:39

Garcia for me it's it's. really.

1:28:43

It's. About trying to.

1:28:45

Remain. A free thinker. I think

1:28:48

a lot of times because you know

1:28:50

we have parents. We grow up so

1:28:52

we're supposed were taught to trust what

1:28:54

our parents say without any question that,

1:28:56

What that, they know what's best for

1:28:59

us. And then as adults were taught

1:29:01

to trust our leaders, our political leaders.

1:29:03

that or our bosses at work. You

1:29:05

know, whatever it may be. And sometimes

1:29:07

people end up acting like sheep. And

1:29:10

they don't sit there and they don't do the

1:29:12

due diligence. They talked to the research they don't

1:29:14

question as tried to see what the other side

1:29:17

as to what the flipside is and I do

1:29:19

think the people to tried that lesson is. Be.

1:29:21

A free thinker, you know, don't don't

1:29:23

always go along with the crowd. You

1:29:26

you do have to to really do

1:29:28

your own research because sometimes there are

1:29:30

ulterior motives by the people that should

1:29:32

have your best interests at heart. and

1:29:34

they're not. so. Be. Afraid Ronald

1:29:36

Reagan said trust but verify said okay, there

1:29:39

you go, There you go. So that's that

1:29:41

would have been my thank you for guessing

1:29:43

my mind. Here's a question I'd like to

1:29:45

pose. He gets to see like. Your view

1:29:47

never changes Wondering where to next? It's

1:29:49

time to tour in Lake County, the

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biggest little county in Ohio. Lake County

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is under a miles wine country and

1:29:56

a romantic Grande River valley. Discover Also

1:29:58

thirty one reason is so. My hope

1:30:00

is harming farmers market and over thirty.

1:30:03

Miles of goes and coastline and sandy

1:30:05

beaches. City lodging option Friends from historic

1:30:07

on says the President's to luxury cabins

1:30:09

and the was stunning Lakefront Manson. Sign

1:30:12

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1:30:14

your tour at to a lake county.com.

1:30:16

Usually the spirit the the Orb

1:30:18

do the tier of the profits.

1:30:21

As if yes we used to

1:30:23

say. I

1:30:25

usually gives you an insight into

1:30:27

reality, the situation, Does

1:30:29

did we get anything from that?

1:30:32

This? No. No,

1:30:34

I don't think so. Accept that

1:30:37

there's there's political strife happening and

1:30:39

that there could be nookie between

1:30:41

Brio and and and or kara.

1:30:44

Yeah. I am thinking what the

1:30:46

set for in this plot line

1:30:48

for. Yeah.

1:30:50

What weird and less it pays off in the next

1:30:53

step I was about to say i hope it pays

1:30:55

off because that would be a shame if it was

1:30:57

is meant to confuse and not. Give.

1:30:59

Insight or tie back to something that. They

1:31:02

are. Inconsistent well our

1:31:04

patriotic poll seem. Moral

1:31:06

of this episode elicited by

1:31:09

Katy Mccarty. Katie says

1:31:11

the theme is people

1:31:13

in power may not always

1:31:15

have your best interests

1:31:17

in mind. The.

1:31:20

Yeah. Well. I get. There. You go

1:31:22

Okay, well thanks everyone for listening And

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before we go I wanted to talk

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with Armin about the Pan Can Farm

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