0:00

on

0:01

sharon reed kelly into sale the

0:03

detail i'm on musically

0:05

but you can he the traffic, what's

0:08

the stuff? and these

0:12

are really good view of of

0:14

oakland of an acoustic

0:17

here like mean he says he has

0:19

not fully has se or

0:21

the some and rebuilding system school

0:24

at that he either motorway sunset percy

0:27

either but i'm here with the evidence

0:29

and sign a messy precise sign

0:31

talk about the

0:33

rao that babbling away

0:35

at the moment babbling the housing density

0:39

and crisis city council's

0:41

know resides on the rules set

0:44

by the government makes you drowsy

0:48

move by crisis you consider

0:50

that as

0:53

minimum like opera point

0:56

, in an annuity way it

0:58

was kind of thought that this eating seven seven

1:01

he houses silly to said no

1:04

and , and behold one of them has

1:06

no it's it's it's very interesting

1:08

what's going on hold because it wasn't a very

1:11

because president cool feature those

1:14

and an accident happened and how permission

1:16

have been appointed and how people

1:18

thing on follow

1:20

no keep talking about the rollout

1:22

of the government's controversial house

1:24

and policy cold the medium

1:27

density residential standards

1:29

or in d r s

1:31

that will allow three three story

1:33

houses on one side and

1:36

this policy that was the big bipartisan

1:39

splash announced splash the six to

1:41

our housing crisis

1:42

now that's the one that everybody has

1:44

a lot about which is a a three

1:46

one of the three stories on every side

1:49

across the city across the five

1:51

major city and that's the one excuse

1:53

people the most because it is quite

1:55

a dramatic change from single to

1:57

story homes that's being unable to cool

1:59

and let's say

2:02

questions and they've gone thinking

2:05

where we get looking at the cityscape with

2:07

matthew salt lake police get more

2:09

on that knows he's thomas

2:11

coughlin seen yet political reporter

2:14

at the new zealand herald

2:15

what happened christ which is basically the government

2:18

has are too big pieces of the

2:21

rules which would make it

2:23

much easier for private individuals

2:25

anyone to build more houses

2:27

on existing land now

2:29

for those roles to actually take a fix the

2:32

council's have to look at their own plans

2:34

and the have to look at them what the government's published

2:37

and co fright those rolls into

2:39

the airplanes for the local areas

2:41

i am what and christ is counsel basically

2:43

dead as i said not crisis

2:46

city council is digging it's heels

2:48

in either the density rules that the government

2:50

wants nine sissies enough people

2:53

to adopt in a row after row

2:55

after bro up

2:56

those that are all identical

2:59

i think is

3:00

very detrimental to the kinds

3:03

of environments that we want a living on

3:05

sizes the rules of the government has seats

3:07

for blood city studies at a courtier

3:09

one cities basically do not

3:11

take effect and questions are my

3:13

mouth when i insects set aside

3:16

clusters it's just refuse to comply with subtle

3:19

the lowest dolores and s i mean

3:21

does does her account so decision

3:24

over roll a lot

3:27

while i'm questions about to discover

3:29

that doesn't an end the law

3:31

will probably be enforced or in the government can

3:33

choose to do what at once here so

3:35

it comes come down and christ it's pretty hard

3:37

and say no you will have to do this and

3:39

it could actually seen the commitment and process

3:42

to to when i caught notify

3:44

a plane times to the government can see appoint

3:46

someone to take on it's behalf as the

3:48

council refuses to dot fat deal i mean

3:50

one way or another i you know the government

3:53

can't exactly late one console and

3:55

decide that it at the end as above these

3:57

rules or that the rules don't apply to it because

3:59

other council would keep the the will ,

4:01

the wrong idea to cause you you you gotta remember that and

4:04

wellington oakland and particular actually this

4:06

prices has been quite traumatic because it's the one of the reasons

4:08

these roles exist does that council's for the last

4:10

thirty years of really struggled to free up

4:12

enough land for development fund the reason we have a

4:14

a housing crisis a and so one

4:17

of the reason these roles exist in the first place as

4:19

the as central government kind of of

4:21

in i have a local governments hidden is no ifs

4:23

no buts you've got to allow more houses

4:26

to be built in your city ism here's how to do to a

4:28

and crisis just as interested i used

4:30

to see spots were not doing it and and

4:32

so i've had a if it is allowed to a

4:35

exempt itself from these roles then i think you'd

4:37

see wellington and oakland actually i'm not thinking

4:39

about a thinking about doing the same the

4:42

city of sales his seat to

4:44

change the plane's going down

4:46

like a cup of cold sick i

4:48

think that going agra [unk] ci cd

4:51

to see much to he has

4:53

a very cold

4:56

and

4:57

so does this mean that this

4:59

part bi partisan deal with

5:01

bar

5:02

nine passes were making such

5:04

a big splash on today we're announcing

5:07

the next seats and our planes will increase

5:09

housing supply and improve housing

5:11

affordability we've invited

5:14

least those her participate and for

5:16

me the lead to fly since that we plane

5:18

to pass because it was clear that

5:20

the nation party support of most to speed

5:22

up housing and his the case

5:25

that main that at society yeah

5:27

one not really the rules a sit up and

5:29

the way that means that parliament always

5:31

wins because i'm local government only

5:33

exists because it's created them parliament

5:35

as the parliament like up tomorrow and seeds

5:38

right was sick of us will abolish local government

5:40

has gone has gone naked pasa me

5:42

i local government abolition eight and it will be gone

5:45

by lunchtime as i as i was debates says

5:47

opponent will eventually when the

5:49

i mean the reason love government exists as because

5:52

he wants people to me area

5:54

to feel comfortable with what is happening and and miriam

5:57

and get some sort of democratic consent for

6:00

what is it going on it's it's it's

6:02

a symbolic single what christ you just done

6:04

because if i see this is why i say you

6:06

know who out we don't give you can seem

6:08

to the this i'm we say no i'm

6:10

sorry that i think that that risen up to this will be a symbolic

6:13

one run the next one because x and a sulfate

6:16

and nothing will cost is kinda you will

6:18

stop these wilson taking effect on

6:20

mustang know the rules completely

6:22

still runs the risk of a central government

6:24

commissioner coming commissioner coming saying rice

6:26

you know you had your chance to to try

6:28

and we can tell yourself to these roles

6:31

you some journalists and

6:33

so like i have the opportunities do whatever

6:35

i want to implement the roles net might not be

6:37

what what you want the housing the

6:40

prophecy for by library national now both

6:42

of them have presided over massive increases

6:44

in house prices the was at the time

6:46

they doesn't seem to for the two parties to fight amongst themselves

6:49

and , midst of it how that how

6:51

the flames latest face and but no one would believe

6:53

them because i have a terrible magazine housing

6:55

as well and likewise at blythe

6:58

i could say well you know we're cleaning up midst of

7:00

nice but not really believes him either because exceed

7:02

light as presided over massive increase in hospices

7:05

to set of i suppose a ton of

7:07

equally last ah and so so

7:09

of can't either to detoxify these you find

7:12

a way that would allow them to

7:14

push through a really fundamental changes

7:16

a missive mrs chains and

7:19

by coming to either to do it and basically

7:21

tied them to basically fortunes of this

7:24

one pill and it would mean that

7:26

every much easier for labour to push through

7:29

this change because national would not

7:31

seek to you know undermine

7:33

that and and destroy it a ,

7:36

and likewise a if like that did

7:38

push through the change with debt and the change was successful

7:40

a and and you know the change looks like

7:42

it might be successful in in big cities the

7:45

national can claim a quite a lot of

7:47

role in helping labor

7:49

to fix the housing crisis and actually because it was an

7:51

extra sort of idea and in the national

7:53

can make sure sort of claim that that that the thing as

7:55

as what is safe housing safe new zealand

7:58

yeah so it was so it significant hurting

8:00

point and maybe two or three

8:03

decades long housing crisis at new zealand's

8:05

experience that by the library a

8:07

mess know work totally spain's

8:09

him destroyed and decided to come together

8:11

to exit the up

8:12

that's a background in

8:14

one of the things about the rules as

8:16

they are not hard and fast they're

8:19

not one size fits all and

8:21

it's not just cry suits passing the buck

8:24

other big cities like oakland and wellington

8:26

have also raised eyebrows over

8:28

there exclusions of susan suburbs

8:31

from and pizza the case since often

8:33

because of special character hamilton

8:36

even tried to say it's whole city

8:38

was a qualifying mesa and that

8:40

it should be exempt because it all seats

8:42

and the why puzzle read a cat

8:44

and so ,

8:46

can the streets evoked and now makes

8:48

you saw

8:49

the me a good example of

8:51

site is to the housing right here

8:54

right here

8:55

on the bridge and they can see a couple

8:57

of a heartless a as a sizzling and

9:00

as the often apartments a snob

9:03

apples , era and a good location

9:05

as well say on him he

9:07

has and has has

9:10

lot of immunity i'm that people

9:12

wanted enjoy the supermarkets the degrees

9:15

and other services around and it's a nice

9:17

some friends at rates and this

9:20

five six storey buildings that storey they now

9:22

with are other apartments either

9:25

possible my other apartments found online examines

9:28

it wasn't going to change

9:31

and it is already changing and those of com a

9:33

book from the last five six seven eight nine

9:35

years they'll be more of them are the time

9:38

and more be gradual are to change

9:41

would be talking about how

9:43

to figure it and change will happen

9:45

and pockets quite rapidly but generally

9:48

across the whole city will take decades

9:50

if not longer maybe across the it's a

9:52

real get to the urban i'm

9:54

form that we're talking about

9:56

you know what what i like not as they are

9:58

they soon as hilltops

9:59

amazing job and all sides me

10:02

they seem to be really the boat and my got

10:04

big when guys are here

10:06

, to had an element of design apply those

10:08

that of ethics or thought everything but ah

10:11

and some apartments haven't had

10:13

that guy apply to them and you can

10:15

kind of see a little bit over here is that

10:17

a three storey buildings and durbin in

10:20

a ordinary around would you call it said

10:23

said rosatom are

10:25

i mean v the womb dry homes and homes

10:28

like an amenity they vote in optically

10:30

attractive rather i'm afraid but

10:33

does that really matter think they do engage with

10:35

the street really well i say

10:37

they said they i say a product

10:39

in an attempt to the more dense product been a single

10:41

detects home and in that same attention so

10:44

on people not like them a d need some

10:47

of them in this there is enough to

10:49

soak in a in and next hobby but the

10:51

prospectus sequel see

10:53

examples like and say or that my pop up

10:55

next to me and i don't really like that and

10:58

so is a fear of what of what

11:00

they perceive as bad as which is

11:02

not the aesthetic this that thereafter

11:05

as his own not mixing vigorously

11:07

i just kind of i'm very

11:09

subject does viewpoint

11:11

of people eyes is a look at the same

11:14

how they feel about the privilege is that

11:16

what is it really that core

11:18

of the whole argument

11:21

about these government rome

11:23

i think this is a lot

11:25

of things at play here and i think these

11:28

, speeds are like the speed that we're moving

11:31

at but that's also problematic submissions

11:33

close to midnight on tuesday after

11:35

a three week consultation period and

11:37

the moors expected to be passed before christmas

11:40

or not i look back and hundred hours of greatness

11:42

and got accident that

11:45

might be able to pass syria

11:47

, we didn't have the communications around around

11:49

like we did coated with for for

11:54

people about it none of that we've had

11:56

no m public each case

11:59

of and

12:02

how we want to move forward

12:04

why so

12:06

the police big changes

12:08

have to , the as

12:10

people some people do i get to

12:12

see i'm i'm a frustration

12:15

and his desire to my five hundred zero got

12:17

zero is it such changes

12:19

it is is a very

12:22

difficult thing for us as humans to

12:24

deal with we like deal glasses substance

12:27

on so home

12:30

from part of i didn't see and

12:32

that's something i'm comfortable with and will be nice

12:34

to what low low

12:36

rise environments for very

12:38

long hummus and we

12:40

haven't had much above

12:43

two stories in us history really

12:46

gets very hot so

12:49

he took about a dynamic sensitive and

12:53

pelvis and

12:55

sitting at a

12:58

decision

13:05

i'm invested in the early

13:07

the army's yes i care about

13:09

that lovely

13:14

it it really nice isn't as a

13:16

lot of incidents where a new are they doing that

13:18

buildings either

13:21

i you know this is real

13:23

and a society endless as not

13:25

the bloke salvage that vehicle as

13:28

setting aside from that was and eighty miles east

13:30

of the city's year

13:36

the my i ,

13:38

in a loose leaf he said we are living on a nice

13:42

nice it's interesting it's if

13:45

we take where we live there's

13:48

a lot of there's in agreement on

13:51

, side resisting out as

13:53

i received a significant amount of

13:55

them over texas yeah

13:59

we want to live in the

13:59

mind

14:02

when

14:06

so it's

14:08

, plastic garbage garbage

14:10

as a result is more consistent full

14:13

season full season

14:16

various and

14:18

it's it's it's it's and fifth and i don't

14:20

i'm and gonna perfect but

14:23

, does gonna able to

14:25

move it i'm rudely

14:28

so the city has

14:31

to be removed so so

14:33

to food and to in delhi so

14:36

with people do once in

14:38

a demand for his them

14:40

i'm thinking about me to decide what's

14:45

i think could get caught a lot of attention over

14:47

those people got a good

14:49

point sorry that it's going to really spoil

14:52

the lovely straight with

14:55

us

14:59

are you have to say have a point but

15:02

that's nobody's offer up any solutions

15:04

about how do we go about the change

15:07

because a lot of those homes of in

15:09

in , where there is high city

15:11

amenities that need for see transport

15:14

links the near parts supermarkets

15:16

all the things that people value

15:19

the months and all these homes

15:21

or other such a character

15:23

that they , to be

15:26

fully protected remember some of the host

15:28

have been what sort of the halted halted

15:31

some of them as are just the seller facade on the street

15:34

the what are we really protecting

15:36

anymore but that's

15:38

not to say that new voting pants

15:40

and has since the

15:42

thought processes and seems like

15:44

it

15:45

these buildings in

15:47

of themselves have reached perfect sense

15:50

and so any change

15:52

operation addition to , street

15:54

in terms of and news news

15:56

might just be another be , a free

15:58

stories the did not enhance

16:01

anything and often ,

16:03

people in a in a location helps enough

16:05

and has the community and immunities

16:08

you might get a cafe in the corner now because

16:10

you for each day i'm day thresholds

16:12

yeah of on to people

16:14

living there

16:15

what do you heard is is a whole series

16:17

then it all on the council say we

16:19

don't then we don't want an

16:21

hour it is

16:23

if anything to fear but

16:26

i think he fears he fears bit mystified

16:29

i'm very sorry he nothing says

16:31

is right below it's

16:34

very hard to achieve the alicia

16:37

sipping , song song mentions

16:40

i'm often you need quite large wide

16:42

sites and to to get

16:44

that to that and so

16:47

it's actually really enabling to story enabling to story

16:50

more easily and three homes

16:52

it's easily really good development it's

16:54

a it's a good house with a it's

16:57

to homes in the backyard almost

16:59

subdivision info that they've been experiencing

17:01

backyard the last thirty forty fifty years when

17:04

read about it and

17:08

that's what we who could work together with hi

17:11

robyn saying tongue wondering how you

17:13

would like to make

17:15

how would you want to tap it was one

17:18

of the urban environment that

17:20

you wanted to be rooms

17:22

because they're not going along with the here

17:24

it's going to happen although you get away

17:27

with it's and then prove it which

17:29

is what with would like and like everybody today

17:31

because like i said i'm not entirely

17:34

happy with the rose myself

17:36

but rather hang on

17:41

the hadn't when

17:43

you say these been i've been

17:45

quite a bit few essays and that the

17:47

us government has made it clear that it's not happy

17:49

with the way things have played out

17:52

as it because the yet so i'm

17:54

the axle rose aren't very good

17:57

and the way this was hey

17:59

the old

17:59

i wasn't very good either

18:02

that it wasn't well communicated and

18:04

a decision was made without much

18:06

consultation

18:08

while year to vet depends on which side of the young

18:10

which side of that speech you fall on i guess set

18:12

of the rules are from the government's i think the government thanks

18:14

the rules are pretty good i'm love government

18:16

thinks that much government as government as

18:19

generally that the roles i miss

18:21

the legal roles and do not really to take into

18:23

account that be nice if she's in different

18:26

areas people in oakland

18:28

and question it's weddings and have a fantasies was

18:30

that with that that plane changes

18:32

that de rosnay seats that thou dost

18:34

quite similar issues which is around the protection

18:36

of here since i'm here it it's

18:39

homes are beautiful colonial

18:41

villas our team to be

18:43

and center of town and

18:45

those homes are fiercely predict

18:47

by residents those neighborhoods fiercely protective by residents

18:50

and because our beautiful and they have very expensive

18:53

and the government team really wants to

18:56

allow more development and those areas

18:58

because the areas

19:00

of residential land close to

19:03

set east ah we're people want to live

19:05

as we the best transport links ah it's been a busy and

19:07

infrastructure is obviously you

19:09

know if you're trying to build a city trying build more

19:12

of the winter and listening in

19:14

on the periphery and so the government's

19:16

view is generally that the says we're says we're

19:18

to build asset is and councils view

19:20

as as really reflective of those reasons

19:22

he is what does that i would rather not

19:25

elsewhere

19:25

the trouble is i suppose and

19:28

highlights a number of essays but it's

19:30

that's a sign of locals

19:33

ceiling like side

19:35

on his son enough say

19:38

and what's going on in the neighborhoods

19:40

yes people debate about

19:43

what has lead to the housing crisis him and

19:45

usually they they lane on one of three assists

19:47

tax issues low interest

19:49

rates and supply and mrs

19:51

that this is the bags they see that this piece

19:54

of a decisive as deal with supply i'm

19:57

i'm one of the reasons why the

19:59

struggled to get housing supply

20:01

ah belt is

20:03

, do with local governments to without restrict

20:05

defending lawyers i was basically

20:07

make it has are very easy to to

20:10

stop something from can build i'm

20:12

a lot of movement has very little and seem to have to actually

20:14

to get something felt because local government has to

20:16

provide provide roads

20:18

turf new developments or new pipe

20:20

and tourism and in a

20:22

lot of apartments are gonna be built in an area you need

20:25

to upgrade that that water infrastructure

20:27

fun government is defined tens of millions of dollars

20:29

to wrap up the street and put new free

20:31

would have them to structure under under the straight as been

20:34

it's been been interesting particularly in

20:36

olson they say are watching local

20:38

communities really rise up against these roles

20:41

is even these suggestion that these

20:43

changes have a small role and

20:46

toppling judith collins has the national leader who

20:48

and who's supported them and the

20:50

cousin many of missiles also named pays

20:52

a sounds here local constituents just

20:54

a rising up against them fuckers

20:56

nice house like people were coming for the

20:58

neighborhoods and support an important step in effect

21:00

they say set the rules do not

21:02

mean that your houses ims

21:09

and in i turned into town houses it's

21:11

just you should you choose to sell your

21:13

home and then someone and

21:15

by and tune into three townhouses

21:18

i think this think this was a fear that it would later mess

21:20

kind of compositions yeah i was a tough

21:22

not as

21:26

we're and makes you facades office now

21:28

to talk about what makes the crisis

21:30

suits city council and those pixels

21:33

rove yeah i'm it's

21:35

interesting prices now what do what happens i'll be

21:37

know is that that's gonna one of the things that he lights

21:39

i'm i'm pretty sure they sit on this would never happen

21:42

in i just like are you put it in the air

21:44

and is like nobody's gonna say no is

21:46

it with but we have to put on

21:48

hold since he sigma it's sigma it's

21:50

it's of like give it a puberty folding bated

21:53

breath about like what else is going to happen

21:55

because it's it's a very unusual scenario

21:58

and i was written down that commissioners will be yeah

22:00

but political , side

22:02

he got the know that that

22:04

replace all of council some felt folks

22:07

only i'm from them and to

22:09

notify us as i it's

22:11

it's a very interesting sigh off doctor few

22:13

planners out some know find myself

22:15

but of with nothing has to be

22:17

dangerous i'm assists sites

22:20

but but aca get over her advice

22:22

in the number one thing that comes around along

22:24

insists they can do a lot of things

22:27

and make this happen politically

22:30

tied in this year and doing

22:33

it as to be buried

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the democratic medium

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