Steve Hayes interviews Jonathan Karl and our very own executive editor, Declan Garvey, about Karl's new book Retribution: Donald Trump and the Campaign That Changed America, which delves into Donald Trump’s 2024 political campaign. The three discuss insights from Steve Bannon’s prison experience, the decisions behind ending President Joe Biden’s campaign, and the authenticity crisis in modern politics.

The Agenda:—The process of writing Retribution and key interviews—Bannon prison experiment—The role of Trump and pardons in the prison system—Karl’s confrontation with Trump on hate speech—Pizza and subs with Vice President Harris—Trump’s Influence and changes in America—The Democrats' struggles with authenticity

Show Notes:—Read an excerpt of Retribution here—Commander in Cheat: How Golf Explains Trump

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