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I am joined by Charlie Kravitz as

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we know certainly more than us. Danny

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I'm not I'm just going to move right by that. Do

1:00

you guys want to talk about the draft. We can just

1:02

dive right in. Why. All right.

1:05

So Danny I'm a Commander's fan. It's

1:08

been tough times for several decades but we have the

1:10

number two pick as you know we recently

1:13

signed Marcus Mariota which seems to be sending

1:15

the smoke signals that they're going to draft.

1:18

Jayden Daniels with the number two pick. I

1:20

was looking at your big board. You have Drake

1:22

made number two. You have Jayden

1:24

Daniels number 10. And so it's

1:26

sort of two part here what I want to

1:28

go through is like how close are they as

1:31

prospects because it seems like quarterbacks we go one

1:33

two three. And does it make sense to you

1:35

that the commanders will go with Daniels at two

1:37

over May. So I mean obviously I still like

1:39

Jayden Daniels if I got him at number 10.

1:41

I think he has a lot of really exciting

1:43

traits and and talent but I just

1:46

don't really get why Drake May is kind of getting

1:48

a lot of hate right now or not hate but

1:50

like people are kind of doubting him. To

1:52

me he is closer to like

1:54

a Caleb Williams caliber prospect

1:57

than you know like a

1:59

tear down or whatever. He is

2:01

from a tools, traits, skill set,

2:04

and size, and

2:06

overall athletic ability point of view. He is kind

2:08

of like the whole package at quarterback. I think

2:10

in a lot of drafts, he might be the

2:12

number one overall pick when

2:14

you're not having a Caleb Williams out there. So I

2:17

don't really understand like the Drake May narrative

2:19

right now, to be totally honest. But that's

2:21

not to say I don't like Jaden Daniels. I would

2:24

put Jaden Daniels just a tier below May on

2:27

my board, but I kind of understand

2:29

like why the commanders would be drawn to a

2:31

guy like him. He's obviously very, very athletic in

2:34

terms of what he can do with his legs.

2:37

Throws a beautiful deep ball, you know,

2:39

has that dual threat skill set where he could

2:41

be a big part of the run game and

2:43

kind of, you know, use his skill set that way.

2:45

But there's some concerns I have with him that

2:47

kind of like keep me from

2:49

really buying in completely. What are the concerns?

2:51

What are the differentiating factors between the two

2:54

of them? Because it's kind of been posed

2:56

as Caleb and then the other guys, when

2:58

it actually feels like it's these first two

3:00

guys, at least in your view, it's Caleb

3:02

and Drake, then there's

3:05

Jaden Daniels. So I think first

3:07

off, and this is not like a deal breaker by

3:09

any means, but Jaden Daniels' frame is

3:11

just like very thin. He's like a rail

3:13

thin. I saw him at the combine and

3:15

I remember thinking like, wow, he is even

3:18

skinnier than I thought. And then he decided not to

3:20

weigh in, which kind of just

3:22

enforced that thought to me. And especially even

3:25

on the podium, he was right next to

3:28

J.J. McCarthy. And I remember thinking like J.J. McCarthy

3:31

looks significantly bigger than him in terms of just

3:33

like his overall bulk. And it's not like McCarthy

3:35

is like a big man either. So

3:37

I think that is a slight concern,

3:40

especially the way he plays. You

3:42

know, my buddy Nate Tice

3:44

threw this out there that he has some Johnny

3:46

Knoxville to his game and I can never forget

3:48

that. Like it's like the greatest. Every

3:51

game, at least once a game, he just gets

3:53

completely annihilated when he's running the football or scrambling

3:56

or whatever. And so, you know, there's concerns from

3:58

that point of view. I think. You

4:00

know as an overall passer he's not quite as

4:02

I think

4:04

like versatile as Drake man I think Drake may

4:07

has like more clubs in his bag so

4:09

to speak and So

4:11

there's just like it's it's really like

4:13

picking knits I think probably because I do like him a

4:15

lot, but I think these are the reasons I've got Drake

4:17

may hire And Jayden day

4:19

I was honestly a couple years older took him a

4:21

little bit longer to get going in college There's some

4:24

some variables there too. So I

4:26

just think you know Drake may right now you

4:29

know like his his Trajectory is

4:31

higher to me and he has

4:33

a higher ceiling than Jane Daniels

4:35

the Jane Daniels stuff the Johnny

4:37

Knoxville stuff is great because I

4:41

Fortunately, I don't have to make some big board

4:43

But I've been watching a lot more of those

4:45

guys and that's the thing that jumps out to

4:47

me as concerning is Him

4:49

jumping into the Florida State D line and

4:51

it's not it's not even third down. It's

4:53

like what it what are you doing? All

4:56

those All

4:58

those bad decisions are concerning and those

5:00

are habits that you tend not to be able

5:02

to break But I mean he can get bigger like

5:04

we've seen that for Lamar but

5:07

the high floor that you get from a

5:09

running or a quarterback with running ability, I

5:11

guess you also get some of that from

5:13

Drake may but Not

5:16

as nearly as much but I guess you're

5:18

not valuing that that difference as much as

5:20

some people are right Well, yeah, and that's

5:22

that's the thing is I guess question is

5:24

how much are you gonna use that if

5:26

Washington drafts him with the idea? They're gonna

5:29

make him into a Lamar Lamar style runner

5:31

that I can actually understand that if they want

5:33

it to just be sort of like A part

5:35

of the offense and sort of like a change

5:37

up to the offense like that's to me a

5:39

little bit different But yeah, Jane Daniels extremely

5:42

explosive slippery runner He

5:44

is, you know one of a few quarterbacks I've

5:46

ever studied really that can turn any play into

5:48

like a 70 yard touchdown at

5:50

any given time He's that kind of runner. I

5:53

don't think Drake may has that Potential

5:55

I Think May is more athletic than people are given

5:57

him credit for in terms of his ability to run.

6:00

Or something like sixteen touchdowns. In.

6:02

His cause groceries is not like necessarily afraid

6:04

to run the ball. but yeah change jailed

6:06

whole the whole different. Type

6:08

or prospect from that point of view. if

6:10

I forty to make the argument the other

6:12

way, Is there an argument aside from there

6:15

like constructed all things around running ability. Is

6:17

there like what are the shortcomings a drag

6:19

may or what are the superpowers? What is

6:21

the area for growth for again Daniel by

6:24

how do you constructed argument Because yeah I'd

6:26

be very smart people and off front office

6:28

Now at least we believe that the new

6:30

front office is smart and if they are

6:32

leaning at the racing game my math maximum

6:35

hope baby I can actually pretty easily do

6:37

that soon. At first of all, When

6:39

I was watching the first time, I just

6:41

kept having visions of Russell Wilson. the way

6:44

he throws the football down the sideline. He

6:46

is incredibly incredibly accurate. Like these moonshot passes

6:48

down the field and so from a like

6:50

the way that we're designing a softens were

6:52

gonna be like we're gonna run the football.

6:55

Run. Play action. Throw. It deep

6:57

like I can. I can build a case.

6:59

the have Daniels do that because he has

7:02

number one. Obviously the applicability to like. Be.

7:04

Utilized on bootlegs in runs is like

7:06

a reduction runs my. He also can

7:08

really throw deep pretty expensive point. I

7:10

was like when the biggest things that

7:12

he did last year in terms of

7:15

just pushing the ball down the field

7:17

creating explosives. That's really how you win

7:19

in the Nfl these days. It's really

7:21

hard to dink and dunk down the

7:23

field consistently and so his his depot

7:25

accuracy. And. Aggressiveness and and just

7:27

pinpoint ball placement down the sidelines is really

7:29

something that's that's me so I can. I

7:31

can see you know a team volume of

7:33

that a coaching staff falling in love with

7:36

that. I think you're watches that has pretty

7:38

good receivers. In theory I'd still like holding

7:40

out belief in did on.soon as I could

7:42

go there. And. So. You. Know

7:44

if they want to be that run the

7:46

football and and throw throw deep and create

7:49

explosives. I think that's where James has a

7:51

slight edge over Drake May who is to

7:53

be honest a little bit scattershot. Look at

7:55

more scattershot I'd see with his accuracy than

7:57

Jane dans les. his accuracy and on all

8:00

three levels are just the biography user as

8:02

I just as the biker see further for

8:04

the most I mean like and that I

8:06

get there goes your point about I'm drag

8:09

may have another club in his bag is

8:11

like he may not have as good a

8:13

driver as Drag May got out. I know

8:15

what a driver is. Yeah that yeah. take

8:17

their snacks you not only when I can

8:20

go golfing with goofy mobile phones out I'd

8:22

de chelly the survive this of go golfing

8:24

with Kevin Clark. Oh yeah yeah yeah and

8:26

he keeps on taxiway saying. This.

8:28

Golf Chips gonna be a movie

8:30

brow and now now be saving

8:32

ironically analysis while he database of

8:34

otherwise as and barely got what

8:36

is the I'm Anna know why

8:38

I'm A because I'm tired and

8:40

hungry. Why I'm feeling pretty negative

8:42

right now. but I think I

8:44

understand the way that Caleb Williams

8:46

has success and I have a

8:48

better feeling. Have to talk any

8:50

Danny how May and Daniels could

8:52

have success. But what is the

8:55

concern? Like if things don't go

8:57

well like I guess there's always.

8:59

The situation of of quarterback Lance and

9:01

but is there a skill set that

9:03

are expecting to develop for easy these

9:05

guys or an achilles' heel. I guess

9:07

the my guest for Caleb would be

9:09

holding onto the ball too long and

9:11

the his achilles heel trying to make

9:13

a big play where there is in

9:15

which is which a man ricin his

9:17

promise to right at yeah for can't

9:19

blame in particular think the most frustrating

9:21

part about watching him play is. He.

9:24

Just wanted to like hit his back for and get the

9:26

ball out. You know like the there's so many plays. From

9:29

last year especially where he he just back

9:31

in town of has a guy he could

9:33

maybe hit but then decides to scramble around

9:35

around trying make a big play. You

9:38

know there was I. I think a lot of. Circumstances.

9:40

Around the team this year where his defenses

9:43

really really bad. I think some

9:45

of the. Offensive. Design

9:47

wasn't necessarily. You. Know best

9:49

for him. Just like getting the ball quickly

9:51

as more like a big play, same offense

9:53

and so yeah that's the big thing is

9:55

is can he go into the Nfl and

9:58

play on time? play in rhythm? Get

10:00

rid of Obama, Not take Sachs because he takes was

10:02

acts. And that's the problem. Which a

10:04

deal she was like is pressure Zachary she's

10:06

really high I think Jane Daniels The worry

10:08

is. That. He

10:10

doesn't really have like the. Keep.

10:13

The play alive and make a plat, make a

10:15

pass and ten of like you know get out

10:17

of pocket make a plate of a deal. He

10:19

is either he. You. Know throws off his

10:21

back for as he hits the as as he gets the

10:24

top of his drop or he takes off running is kind

10:26

of like those are the two things he he does. He

10:28

doesn't really have the oh. Break. Up to the

10:30

park in find a goddamn feel which is what Care Wounds is really

10:32

good at. So. Me

10:34

or and of course when if you could run

10:37

a change as probably do the same thing but

10:39

I think those to those you guys in particular

10:41

needs like iron that part of their games I'll

10:43

as they get to the next level and then

10:45

you know it's like may. Am.

10:47

I. Think it's just like. Same.

10:49

Deal as killed. Williams in some ways were just take

10:52

the easy throw a man like don't you don't have

10:54

a hero ball and every play one of the things

10:56

that kind of struck at stuck out to me with

10:58

Drake mais. He's. Very, very aggressive. Sometimes we'll

11:00

just throw it into trouble coverage and you're like

11:02

me and just just dump it off and leave

11:04

the scene of the play Am so. You

11:06

know, I think a lot of these are all three.

11:08

These guys obviously have things to work on when you

11:11

get to the pros am and you know, I think

11:13

most of the stuff that they have is coachable, So

11:15

that's why I'm still very high on all three of

11:17

them. And but it's not like these are perfect prospects

11:19

by enemies. Of a tiny bit

11:22

scared now that clip case very

11:24

he decided off and spokeo blames

11:26

the hold the ball til I

11:28

might be coaching Gay Daniels is

11:30

how is that he does to

11:32

protect yourself physically? Yeah and given

11:34

your history with quarterbacks who are

11:36

struggling protect themselves physically as a

11:38

Commander fan near my be reminiscent

11:40

of Rg Breeze, a better enjoyed

11:42

his first first year, Buddy enjoyed

11:44

his first year. You know what?

11:46

I. Am looking at Chris Simms has top

11:48

six quarterback prospect rankings. You know what? He

11:50

has his de dios to number one in

11:53

other years Some is going pretend I got

11:55

record at all times that these are it

11:57

be their back on. I'm Danielle Yeah. Yeah.

12:02

When I that now we don't want to golf

12:04

man I'm in. Chris Simms the

12:06

buns are all the way up on that shirt.

12:08

I had enough a Hunger Games Capital half time

12:10

so. Let's

12:12

Imo receivers feel that is it is illegal to. I got

12:15

this day like one of the best receiver address of

12:17

all time. It seems like there's. A. Big

12:19

one. That's part of a big three

12:21

and then Pff has ten guys. Their top for

12:23

your wide receiver is a lot of them are.

12:26

Awesome prospects in this way. Precise,

12:28

accurate, but. I

12:31

was how big of a gap is there

12:33

between Marvin Harrison League Neighbors and Roma did?

12:35

I don't think there's a very big gap.

12:37

I think it is. It's funny because it's

12:39

kind of like chooser flavor with Marvin Harrison.

12:41

He sort of a complete guy. That's my

12:43

flavor. Complete guy like that. Far

12:45

as that's that's why I have ranked number

12:48

one entire yeah now he's got size, speed,

12:50

athleticism, burst explosiveness. I'm extremely good body control

12:52

which I think it's one of the like

12:54

big characteristics of his game is like he

12:56

can respect behind his happen in real in

12:58

a pass or go down really low running

13:01

full speed and not really slow down and

13:03

is t gods he's such a good. In

13:06

the sound stupid disable eye catcher of the

13:08

football he is a mercy is a great

13:10

receiver. He really I'd. He. Has great hands,

13:12

a despotic control and so to me is like

13:14

kind of the complete package. Them elite neighbors, Is.

13:18

I just went kind of explaining it is

13:20

he's pure sex, he's just explosive. Know personifies

13:22

is so I only have asthma and if

13:24

you want that element in Europe and which

13:27

I think every team does. He. Know

13:29

he, he's a great example of that is really good.

13:31

After the catch I think that's kind of where he

13:33

separate himself from the other two is is the or

13:35

that an accountability is is incredible. Am.

13:38

You. Know every time he catches the football he could

13:40

create touchdown and a deal. And. And with

13:42

Roman do they another guy who's like.

13:45

Got a pretty complete skill set by just I

13:47

don't think he's quite as explosive that is Testing

13:49

numbers were really impressive where he are on the

13:51

feel I would say he's. Nearly.

13:53

As explosive as the other two guys in terms of

13:55

yards as a cat is yours. If they catch numbers

13:57

aren't that great am he's more of just eight. Simple

14:00

X receiver guy who can win on third downs when

14:02

you need someone to win in the red zone. Throw.

14:05

Up to him he's gonna come down with a. Really?

14:07

Competitive in the air. like his his concerts,

14:09

it's contested catch. Number there

14:11

are really, really impressive and I think sometimes that can

14:13

be a negative thing because you're like, oh, if he's

14:15

got a contest. A catchy that means you can get

14:18

open. But. I think he he can do but he can

14:20

get open, he can run routes he can rock adds up. You.

14:22

Know he can create separation but he also is

14:24

incredibly dominant at the catch my says bigger sugar

14:27

and like times as jump that are you eat

14:29

is really good job a boxing out so. He's.

14:31

He's sort of a different. Type

14:34

of receiver than these other two guys who

14:36

so it's it is. It is sort of

14:38

what are you looking for for your office

14:40

When you choosing between these two guys I'm

14:42

a sucker for speed and so tell me

14:44

why I'm worthy of gonna work. You know

14:46

who were the reminds me of and say

14:49

flowers? Ah no Regard Harry Go love it.

14:51

You. I think when you first hear he ran

14:53

a forty one yelling oh than he must be

14:55

really good deep. Threat. Which.

14:57

Really wasn't his game at Texas. he was He

14:59

was a yards after catch guy. You. Know

15:01

they use them lot in the short intermediary

15:04

on screens. I'm kind of like how I

15:06

pictured the ravens use a flowers. Obviously he

15:08

has the ability to get deep. By.

15:11

The his big you know value is

15:13

just you know, get the ball in

15:15

space, make a mess, you know basically

15:17

just annihilate pursued angles from defenders make

15:19

a really hard for the defense so

15:21

I catch you and tackle you. And

15:24

you know that's a kind of the the element that

15:26

I think he bring so it if. You.

15:28

Know you're looking for a guy is gonna be like

15:30

an elite deep that like dish on Jackson. I don't

15:32

think that's really his game right now, at least. I'm.

15:35

You know if you'll have the numbers. He was not

15:37

very good deep threat for Texas last year so he

15:39

is more of a yards of the cats creator a

15:41

source of threat. That. Ten, You get him

15:43

to bomb, Then let him do a thing. Now

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yeah Because he's we're late for this

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that's our So Marvin Harrison

18:05

junior skipping the pre-draft process. Do you actually work

18:08

on being a better football player? Do

18:10

you you went through this would you have

18:12

been more prepared for rookie training camp actually

18:14

practicing drills and training to get ready for?

18:18

Camp or the combine? I

18:20

think it's not as much being prepared like

18:24

Trying new drills like Marvin Harrison is not working on

18:26

new drills He doesn't have to playbook

18:28

that he's going to I think it is

18:30

more important honestly to rest Like

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18:35

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lots of players hit in part It's because

18:39

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18:41

go from your season being over to then

18:44

dedicating all your time and energy to

18:46

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18:48

after that you might get a little

18:51

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the draft happens and then you're into Many

18:56

camps and then training camp and so

18:58

like mentally emotionally and physically I think

19:00

that's the best thing if you could

19:03

Yeah, that could help you be in better

19:05

shape than do what most of

19:08

us non like best receiver in the

19:10

in the draft Guys

19:12

have to go through in order to get picked up

19:15

That makes a lot of sense because rookie rookie camp

19:17

starts like a week or two

19:19

after the draft I feel like I don't actually

19:21

remember but it feels like very soon after

19:23

the draft and yeah, I remember Well, I got on plane

19:25

the next day. I don't think we

19:28

did any working out, but I do remember that We

19:30

got off of the Roma do doons a topic,

19:33

but I wanted to go back. I really liked

19:35

him before the combine But

19:38

I got a question for you scale of negative

19:40

10 to positive 10 How

19:43

did you feel about that foolish? Oh

19:45

not the foolishness. How did you feel

19:47

about that three cone drill? so

19:52

For those who don't know Roma do they wanted to

19:55

get a specific time and three cone drill He kept

19:57

knocking over the cone. So he kept doing it. He

19:59

stayed up out there and kept drilling and

20:01

drilling and drilling while everybody else was

20:03

gone. And I

20:06

will not share my opinion because you can't tell

20:08

it by the tone of my voice at all.

20:10

I would say I'm like a neutral zero on that.

20:15

I think it was, excuse me, I think it was

20:17

like performative for sure. And

20:21

it doesn't help that he didn't get it.

20:23

You know what I mean? Like he failed

20:25

at ultimately getting what he wanted to do.

20:28

But I do appreciate that

20:30

in a day and age now where a

20:32

lot of players are not even running the

20:34

three cone at all and a lot of

20:36

guys are not even doing short shuttle. He's

20:38

out there competing. He's out there trying really

20:41

hard. At least there's that.

20:43

I do think it is performative a little bit.

20:45

But I ultimately fall right down the

20:47

middle. How jealous is Russell Wilson

20:49

watching that? That he didn't think of that move.

20:52

He's jealous of JJ McCarthy for doing

20:54

the meditation stuff. I

20:57

should have really thought of that. Go out there on the, you

20:59

know, right by the goal post and have 50 cameras

21:02

all around me just sitting there meditating. That's

21:04

right up for us at Wilson's Alley. That's right out

21:07

of his playbook. I've talked about this before, but my

21:09

issue with Roma Dunsey doing all that stuff was like,

21:12

it's not actually, it doesn't actually matter. Like

21:14

I'm fine with you doing this all this,

21:16

like I'm all in, I'm gonna get it

21:18

done thing in the right places. But like,

21:20

all right, maybe some coaches will buy into

21:22

this and move you up their draft for

21:24

it. So yeah, by all means, but also,

21:27

what are you doing? You're gonna hurt

21:29

yourself. Go sit down somewhere. Like demonstrate

21:31

your intelligence to your decision making and

21:34

your ability to prioritize things that don't

21:36

freaking matter anyway. And you,

21:38

hold on, Danny, Danny, you're a,

21:41

I'm glad he's out there competing guy. You are

21:43

not old enough to be out there so you

21:45

didn't like that Marvin didn't do anything. You wanted

21:48

Marvin out there too, huh? No, actually I didn't

21:50

care about that either. Maybe I'm

21:52

just like, I don't put any, that

21:54

much stock into the combine. Maybe that's where I

21:56

land. Combine is fun, but I don't think

21:58

it matters. Everything you said about like. Rest and

22:00

and thinking through it and doing it right made

22:02

so much sense for a guy like Marvin Harrison

22:05

Who's not falling past five anyway, you

22:07

know, he's not gonna fall out of the top Maybe

22:10

six or seven picks like at the worst case

22:12

scenario So why go do

22:14

all that stuff and put yourself through that

22:16

stress? This is the most important question of

22:18

the day of all the combine drills What

22:21

do you think that you could get closest to?

22:24

The players and doing like what's the

22:26

mean and I'm including all players. What

22:29

do you think you could get closest

22:31

to in the main? Weight

22:34

and height and all that stuff is out like actual

22:36

abilities My answer I

22:38

knew I knew Charlie's gonna say I'm about as

22:40

big as the corner. I could do it now

22:43

Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm six six one 195

22:45

so about the size of a corner I

22:48

guess not nearly as ripped. There we go.

22:50

We need we need wrong kind of weight

22:53

Yeah, we need three-tone or you

22:55

know, oh short shuttle. Huh? In

22:58

my day, this is decades ago now.

23:00

I was pretty quick You know what I mean like

23:02

quick back and forth six one That's

23:04

a shock short shuttle for six one guy doesn't

23:06

sound like I don't know Okay, remember back in

23:08

the day you ever do sweet 16. Did you

23:10

play basketball growing up? Not really.

23:12

I mean I played up until eighth

23:14

grade and I got the high school and was like I'm

23:17

good on that I'm a football guy. That's probably the answer

23:20

Sweet 16s where you run to the free-throw line

23:22

back to the end line half court and line

23:25

three-quarter court Where

23:29

on earth do they call those sweet 16s Well

23:32

at where I grew up in Washington, I don't know if they Call

23:35

those are obviously like I'm sure the

23:37

listeners are yelling. Oh, I have heard

23:40

suicide. Yes. I have heard suicide. They're

23:42

called suicide I Just

23:45

you got progressive Washington people like yeah,

23:47

we're basically Canada. We're basically Canada So

23:49

this is the first time I've listened

23:51

to your podcast for years And

23:53

I think I'm right between you and

23:55

your co-hosts and age and I've taken your

23:57

side on every single like moment And

24:00

this is the first time on our podcast.

24:02

I'm stunned by it. Well, what can I

24:05

say? Maybe I honestly I could be remembering

24:07

wrong what they're called now You're just a

24:09

progressive person who recognized that we probably shouldn't

24:11

call anything suicide Nineties

24:15

I mean everything back then, you know, can I

24:17

ask a one one last Marv at Harrison question

24:19

Which is so we've seen drafts before where it's

24:21

like the top receiver If

24:24

you were to project ahead of the their career like

24:27

top receiver versus the field who is gonna have the

24:29

best career like I think in like a Calvin Johnson

24:31

draft a Larry Fitzgerald draft those prospects were so far

24:33

ahead of people that it's like Compared

24:35

to the second third fourth fifth receiver. You're gonna

24:37

take them as most likely having the best career.

24:40

Mm-hmm Marvin Harrison jr. Verse the field

24:43

he's going to a decent situation with Kyler Murray

24:45

Well, would you be willing to take the Marvin Harrison

24:48

verse the field that that he'll be the best receiver

24:50

from this draft? Yes I

24:52

think so. Here's why because I'm a

24:55

little bit worried that So

24:58

I first of all, I think Marvin Harrison is the best receiver

25:00

in this class pretty clearly and then my

25:02

other worries are What if Malik

25:04

neighbors goes to the Giants? and Then

25:07

what and I'm like they stuck with whatever

25:10

quarterback there is what if what if Roman Dunes

25:12

a or whoever Malik neighbors goes to? The Jets

25:14

and then they get one year of Aaron Rodgers

25:16

and then who knows like another 30 years of

25:18

quarterback misery The I

25:21

think all the other guys I think are pretty

25:23

solid But those three are like pretty clearly in

25:25

a class of their own in terms of like

25:27

the talent the production the profile of a draft

25:30

prospect and so It

25:32

to me would be I'm betting on that trio and

25:34

I think Marvin Harrison being almost guaranteed to land with

25:37

a good quarterback It's Kyler Murray. It's obviously not a

25:39

guarantee yet, but that's how it feels like it's going

25:42

Landing with a guy like Kyler Murray in an offense that

25:44

seems to be ascending I'm

25:46

taking that bet all day long versus like not

25:48

knowing exactly where neighbors or Dunes They're gonna land

25:50

and they potentially could land with a really bad

25:53

quarterback situation and be stuck For

25:55

years playing with some crappy offense.

25:57

Yeah, I'm going Harrison. So

26:00

Brock Bowers. This is something I think has been

26:02

pretty interesting to me because I think

26:05

if you watch college football for

26:07

the last few years, he's someone that you know is

26:09

essentially a dominant player. Like I think you can make

26:11

the argument he was the best offensive player on both

26:13

of Georgia's national title teams and one of those is

26:15

when he was an 18 year old freshman. Midseason

26:19

this year it seemed like he was

26:22

the second pass catcher on a lot

26:24

of boards like after Marvin Harrison Jr.

26:26

before the emergence of neighbors in a

26:28

dunes day. He's slid a little bit.

26:30

He's still a lot of people's top

26:32

ten prospect but he's rejected in a

26:34

lot of mocks and yours as well to go to

26:36

the Bengals 18. Do you think

26:38

his slide is more about his prospect eval or because

26:41

of the position he plays? It's just because

26:43

he took that picture with Gronk.

26:45

Yeah. He looked really short and weird

26:48

like he didn't look that athletic no

26:50

not really but I mean

26:53

I don't think that helped if I'm being totally honest.

26:55

So I think it's twofold. Number one

26:57

I think people are kind of scared off at

27:00

the idea of taking a tight end super

27:02

high in the draft because of what Kyle Pitts

27:04

is like what's happened essentially to Kyle Pitts. It's

27:07

not necessarily what Kyle Pitts has played but like

27:09

the lack of top tier

27:11

impact he's made on the Falcons offense through

27:13

his first couple of years in the league.

27:15

I think it scared some people off especially

27:17

relative to what Jamar Chase has

27:20

done for the Bengals and again that goes back

27:22

to what I talked about with Marvin Harrison like

27:24

obviously helped that Chase landed with Burrow and they

27:27

had that connection they kind of hit the ground running and

27:30

the rest is history but like obviously I think

27:32

Pitts went right before Chase and so you look

27:34

back at that and you're like okay who's gonna

27:36

make a bigger impact on our team a

27:39

top tier receiver or top tier or a

27:41

talented tight end it's probably gonna be

27:43

the receiver plus you add in the

27:45

value like the potential value

27:48

you get in paying

27:50

a rookie receiver on the

27:52

rookie scale versus like these receivers that are

27:54

making you know 25 million dollars a

27:56

year whatever it is and that's only seemingly

27:58

gonna keep going up it's just like growing

28:00

so fast, you know, we have

28:02

these mid tier receivers making like

28:04

way more than some of the top paid tight ends

28:07

in the NFL. So like, there's a value element

28:09

here where you can get a top tier receiver and

28:11

be paying him peanuts relative to the rest of the

28:13

league. That's a huge, you know, edge

28:16

for your roster construction versus if

28:18

you get Brock Bowers and

28:20

he's pretty good, but not great, you're already

28:22

paying him near the top of the like

28:24

league pay scale for tight ends because of

28:26

where he was drafted and that's not

28:29

that doesn't represent a huge value. So I think that's

28:32

like the argument, but at the same time, like

28:34

my response, that would be like, OK, but like

28:36

draft a good player and he's going to help

28:38

your team, you know what I mean? Like there's

28:40

so many variables in the draft and so many

28:42

guys bust, so many guys don't end up being

28:45

what you think they're going to be. And, you

28:47

know, I look at Brock Bowers and I'm like, man,

28:49

this guy is just going to help your team immediately.

28:51

He's going to go out there, get

28:53

the basically the same exact size as Samuel Porter.

28:55

We saw the impact that he had for

28:57

his team last year. Not saying, you

29:00

know, those are different propositions because LaPorter was the second

29:02

rounder, but still like. Draft

29:04

good players is kind of like the bottom

29:06

line. It's like you're getting too cute. Yeah,

29:08

figuring out the balance of being cute and

29:11

also being a football guy is, I

29:13

think, the dilemma of a lot of front

29:15

offices because you when you don't when you

29:18

can't participate in game planning, you can't actually

29:20

go on the field. You're trying to find

29:22

ways to get advantages and you'll rationalize your

29:24

way out of great players because you're like,

29:26

no, we got to get a dog. Sometimes

29:29

you need a double football guy in

29:32

the room, which I think there's no

29:34

shortage of in Detroit. That's like,

29:36

hey, we got a middle linebacker running back

29:38

in a LaPorter. Give him, give him to

29:40

us. Let's do it. I see my guy

29:42

Cooper DeGene. You got him sliding down on

29:44

your board or at least relative to how

29:46

I feel about him. At 19. We're

29:49

going to do a new update here. Oh, I'll have

29:52

him at 16. Oh,

29:54

I like him a lot like he. I

29:57

mean, and you know, obviously the big question is, is

29:59

he a corner? because he's white. Oh, damn

30:02

right, he's a corner. I think he's a corner. Yeah.

30:05

That's all I wanted. I saw that you have him

30:07

listed as his defensive back and you just- Do I?

30:09

Oh, come on, we gotta change that. No, no, no,

30:11

no, no, no. You call all the corners defensive back.

30:13

Oh, okay, yeah. So I forgive you, but I saw

30:16

that and I was like, I'm about to have an

30:18

issue with this racist that is on my show, but

30:20

no. All your corners are defensive

30:22

back. I allow it. You

30:24

do have him comped to a black

30:27

person, which it's impossible to comp him

30:29

to anybody else. Like you can't. There are

30:31

no white corners except for like- What if I would

30:33

have just leaned in and just do Jason Seahorn. I

30:35

think I would have loved you more. I

30:38

was like, I know he's trolling. I know

30:40

he's trolling. It would have been fantastic. His

30:42

rare versatility. I see you sneak that safety in

30:45

there. You snuck a little safety in there. Well,

30:47

he did play. He did play. I

30:49

know, he is versatile. I'm just messing with you. By

30:51

the way, the NFL is, the NFL maybe

30:53

is like gonna make him a quote unquote

30:56

defensive. Oh, yeah. I

30:58

think so too. I want him to. The

31:00

versatility does help because there is like,

31:03

I mean, there's value to him being able to

31:05

do that. A lot of the great corners are

31:07

capable of doing those things, but I just want

31:09

to play corner for the historical significance. I

31:12

know, right? For people to have someone

31:14

to look up to. White kids need a

31:16

role model. You're

31:18

well. Totally. You too can play the

31:21

most important position on

31:23

a football field. Yeah, he's trailblazer,

31:25

right? All right, Danny,

31:27

I appreciate you so much, Charlie.

31:29

You cool too. Thanks a

31:32

lot for joining us. I'm looking forward

31:34

to getting more into this tape and

31:36

then just reading your piece

31:38

and stealing your opinions and presenting them as

31:40

my own. Thank you for giving me permission

31:42

to do so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Implicit.

31:45

Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it. No

31:47

problem. We'll have you on

31:49

again after these players flop and

31:52

we can say Danny was wrong. It

31:55

will happen, I'm sure. Some of these guys. All

31:58

right? I appreciate it. Charlie, you got anything? I'm just hoping. Brock

32:00

Berries doesn't drop the number twenty

32:02

in get drafted by to Smith

32:04

in Pittsburgh as that I that

32:07

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