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Off top. Did you know snails have somewhere

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between 14,000 to 20,000 teeth and four noses.

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This is the Dominique Foxworth show.

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Welcome to the Dominique Fox or show. Uh,

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I got, I got some interesting looks on

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my off top. We are joined today by

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Chicago's finest Dominique

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Fox for show legend, the

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great Jason golf. I'm so excited to

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have this conversation with you in part

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because we had a pre-show

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that might be better than actual show. Anyway,

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talking about my baby chicken and elementary school

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on the big bars. Before

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we get to that, I gotta let the

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people know that speaking of snacks, the

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vanilla snack is here. Charlie Kravitz, my man. So

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proud of Charlie. He's done such a great job

0:55

when they show he's the man that

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was sentimental. I could tell. Yeah. I see Charlie's, I

1:02

see Charlie's get up and you got the scar face

1:04

button open. I see you. I'm going to lose a

1:06

button a month. It's

1:08

more confidence with Dominique. Charlie

1:11

is the man, but I'm lifted.

1:14

Charlie. That's a shirt. To buy

1:16

a tiger. That dude, you do

1:18

look like a picnic. Oh yeah.

1:20

Oh man. Central

1:24

park Kravitz. What they call it. We

1:26

were talking about this tracks

1:29

before the show and talking about the lunch

1:31

from tape where you roast people, but that

1:33

wasn't one of the rows that we used

1:36

to do where it's like a compliment.

1:38

But because men are weird

1:40

that way, you can't actually tell somebody

1:43

they look fly. You've got a job

1:45

interview today. Joe. Yeah. So somebody got

1:47

caught. Oh

1:52

man. And do you always get somebody, the

1:54

best one I would always use, which

1:56

is probably unfair because they could have called after the same thing,

1:58

but in middle school. Some. I

2:01

target an army negative. Call out that

2:03

one they want. Favorite shirt. Made.

2:05

Like oh that I do think affairs

2:07

your that polo shirt with a red

2:10

stripes you read it as your the

2:12

or Friday a bed. You have planted

2:14

a seed because you did when met

2:16

date But you know what? They go

2:18

where they pay. Reserved a game that

2:20

Bears uses Windy Day or Healy though

2:22

those drive home another vote somebody take

2:25

it out of the rotors, high volume

2:27

spit out and go through. There's a

2:29

bit of a bit as you be

2:31

aware of as are all year long

2:33

scenario as usual loot yet. Spout were

2:35

nicer at a Go Wow Get a new

2:38

server. Do that with the originally. You're the

2:40

guy who asks if they breathe in or

2:42

out when they shoot free throws up. I've

2:44

never thought images can be treated in America.

2:47

I, I've that's where Home is Your closet

2:49

figure bought me like. Had.

2:51

A weird inserted in there were You when I'm

2:53

cooking zoo in the dirt. It's like. Everyone

2:57

is the problem that I I. I.

2:59

People who. Were. Silly

3:01

with the police department around me every once

3:03

in awhile and uncle so if he got

3:06

to deeper say man, you may want to

3:08

get them tickets. And

3:10

ice ice on his the parents and

3:12

was. A

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big it and you go with

3:17

with this films to foods and

3:19

or a snow or insufficiency do

3:21

I want to have dominic sense

3:23

of back Elsa same says said

3:25

different. The

3:28

when as aggressive as a golf sippy cert.

3:30

right area of my was and is no

3:33

from here on out because it is eager

3:35

to south of i got about a play

3:37

about charlie i'm older brother went on bragged

3:39

about i've gotta be a friend i gotta

3:41

tell him i agree allow for our i

3:43

use your hand off and no no no

3:46

no no no knock out my nose you

3:48

love nose runs with annual brother conversion like

3:50

slowly but surely davi decided sallie mae all

3:52

did very well as brothers are uncomfortable but

3:54

love about it's only saw the that and

3:56

used to it is full fledged at the

3:59

pool party matter I'm not turning

4:01

him. I'm allowing his inner Negro to

4:03

live out You

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got curls we're gonna tighten them girls up the

4:10

girls will get tight and tight as the year

4:12

going on He

4:18

is our eyes are hard time out Charlie

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what did I text you two weeks

4:24

ago and pertaining to the na BJ

4:26

you're coming your damn right to

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come in Charlie You're coming with me, baby.

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I'm bringing you really I'm bringing Chicago.

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I know you already know I know that's

4:35

why he's coming Jason golf got us. I'm

4:37

bringing Charlie to na BJ We're doing

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a live show in person with Jason golf

4:42

and we are meeting and greeting lots

4:44

of young black Journalists so that we

4:47

can populate these airwaves with all we

4:49

got a strategy Jason. We got a

4:51

strategy We're gonna be there all thank

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Charlie for Charlie back out told you

4:56

them curls gonna get tight We

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gonna tighten up girls up. Oh, yeah, I said

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Charles never mind. I'm not gonna tell a video.

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Yeah I said Charlie

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a video other these nappy perms.

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The Internet is a terrible place

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man. I've said Charlie It's

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a tough time right now. They got those not

5:13

to curl the right way got perms to give

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you more naps But

5:18

what is going on? Amen.

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Listen, once I saw the tanning phenomenon

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take place in my high school years

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I was like at some point, you

5:27

know, yeah, you're getting the rhythm and

5:29

not the blues and it's getting too

5:31

easy We

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can't just blow by that I had heard that one before We

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transfer it to the schools And all of a sudden

6:01

all the sisters love him. It's like, hey man,

6:03

you ain't gotta do half the stuff I gotta

6:05

deal with at home. And you're taking the girl?

6:07

I hated the new kid. New kid come to

6:09

school, get all the play at first. He get

6:11

a shot. And also, when Charlie and I were

6:13

in Vegas for the Super Bowl, Robert

6:15

thinking it looked like he had the blues. He's like, oh,

6:17

well. He like he had the blues that

6:20

we saw him in. And then he

6:22

didn't have eye blues, but he had a version

6:24

of the blues. Man was just smoking alone. Right

6:26

outside the Vanderpump cocktail garden, waiting to be recognized.

6:31

Hey, listen. After Marvin Gaye's mistake comes

6:33

for you, man. You

6:35

gotta turn out another hit. Man, what? You

6:38

gotta keep it moving. We can't even get

6:40

to the fact that your son is taking

6:42

extra fig bars to school in order to

6:44

make it rain. He just hand them out.

6:47

You got to supply him with the currency.

6:49

These fig bars is like Bitcoin in the

6:51

playground right now, boy. That stock is never

6:53

going down. We up here. Shout out to

6:55

the goths. Shout out to the goths. Shout

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out. Well, from

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one of your sons to your new

7:02

city son. So excitement has to be

7:04

high. He hasn't played a game

7:06

yet. You have the best quarterback in franchise history

7:09

on your team, Caleb Williams. The

7:11

roster is a good spot. They got a doomsday. They have

7:13

Kenan Allen. They have DJ Moore. What

7:16

are fair expectations for Caleb Williams and the Bears this

7:19

season? Those don't exist,

7:21

sir. That is not a

7:23

part of this conversation. I have not

7:25

sitting here. I'm not about to do

7:27

the footbally footballing thing with the tough

7:29

rookie struggles. Hey, listen, man. There are

7:31

people running around this city acting like

7:33

the NFL ain't hard. These

7:37

ain't the best dudes from every

7:39

conference of every stretch of this

7:42

country. The

7:44

expectations are high because you

7:46

did what you did last year. And

7:48

there's some stuff in the weeds that

7:51

nationally people didn't have to take any

7:54

note of. Last year, Matt Eberfluis'

7:56

staff and Matt Eberfluis, they blew three games.

7:58

They should have won last. Like three

8:00

games that they probability wise were like in

8:02

the 80th percentile to win that happened three

8:05

times last year So you were

8:07

seven and ten last year with apparently, you

8:09

know The worst quarterback of all time as

8:11

I'm waking up this morning and reading that

8:13

my man might be returning kicks his move

8:15

But you did that last year with that offense so

8:18

this year with one

8:20

of the generational quarterback prospects that people speak

8:23

of now, I think he's going to have

8:25

a Fantastic career,

8:27

but I'm you know the Patrick Mahone stuff

8:29

we need to put to the side With

8:32

that and everything that NFL is going

8:34

to present to a rookie quarterback Like

8:36

you're counting on some very interesting pieces

8:38

your left tackle when you didn't draft

8:40

one At the top of

8:42

this draft or one of the picks that you

8:45

had they drafted a project swing dude But Braxton

8:47

Jones is gonna be the difference between you being

8:49

able to have three wide receivers on the field

8:51

or you having to put Jerried Everett on the

8:53

other side of Cole commit and run two tight

8:55

end stuff Like there's some there's some real football

8:57

stuff that's gonna have to come into play here

8:59

But the expectations are high they should have

9:01

been an eight nine nine and seven nine

9:03

and eighteen last year So ten wins I

9:05

feel like is an a fair expectation for

9:07

a quarterback who is going to play not

9:09

only on schedule But some of the stuff

9:11

that he can do on top of when

9:14

the play breaks down That's the

9:16

magic that you're drafting for as well So

9:18

fair expectations ten eleven wins next year and

9:20

the defense was softly at the last 11

9:23

wins is like fair expectations. I think

9:25

or probably maybe not fair But those

9:27

are expectations of the team and

9:30

which is heavily gonna fall on Kayla Williams

9:32

But the interesting thing is the note that

9:34

we always get about y'all

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Chicago Bears Quarterback history is

9:38

y'all ain't never had a 4,000 yard

9:40

passer. Is it possible? I think

9:42

of like rookies in recent history I got

9:44

like Andrew Luck Herbert Stroud Winston

9:47

Cam Newton to throw for a 4,000

9:50

yards in their rookie season Are

9:53

we gonna break the curse this year? Yeah

9:57

Yeah, this is the best. You

9:59

know, we talked about what quarterbacks haven't

10:01

done. This is the best wide receiver

10:03

room, I think, in this team's history.

10:05

And there, you know, Alshon Jeffrey and

10:08

Brandon Marshall were in that wide receiver room at

10:10

one point. And, you know, before Alshon had the

10:12

soft tissue issues, he strung together a couple of

10:14

season there. And we all know what Brandon Marshall

10:17

was as a talent every place that he landed.

10:20

You got DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, and

10:23

Roma Dunsey, who a guy, if Marvin

10:25

Harrison Jr. isn't in this draft. I

10:28

think a lot of people think he would have been

10:30

the first wide receiver taken. Can't pass on it. Yeah.

10:34

I mean, Malik Nabors is tough. Don't get me wrong. But,

10:36

you know, I think they were right there neck and neck

10:38

on a lot of people's draft boards. So that

10:40

wide receiver room has not been this

10:42

stocked in this team's history, I

10:45

think. Now we're going to have to see

10:47

it play out. What's up? This is about

10:49

your former quarterback. What's that?

10:51

How are we supposed to handle these reports that

10:53

he's going to be a part returner? Because I'm

10:55

not handling it well. I'm not

10:57

handling it well. I

11:00

had a single tear, you know, trickle

11:03

down my cheek when I read it. I

11:05

read the reports, I believe it was pro football talk. It

11:07

was the first one I saw. So I was like, let

11:09

me go ahead and check something else. And I was like,

11:11

oh, damn, somebody else saying it too. Yeah,

11:14

man. This is what

11:16

happens when you don't take care of your kids. You

11:18

know what I mean? He came into the league and

11:20

no one took care of them. And now

11:22

we're talking about him returning punt like

11:24

he rocket ish man or something, man.

11:26

Like this dude at every level of

11:28

football, he was like the dude, then

11:30

all of a sudden he gets to

11:32

this level and he's not given

11:34

anything and he's broken. And then we're sitting

11:37

there like, well, does anybody want to adopt?

11:39

It's pretty much like the league putting them

11:41

up for adoption right? Anybody want this quarterback?

11:44

You returning kicks. Taysom Hill

11:46

is the only person we speak of

11:48

this nature. And that's because we don't

11:51

believe Taysom Hill can play quarterback. Hey,

11:53

what else can you do? Fast guy. Come on, man.

12:00

man we didn't fight for it.

12:02

I'm glad but I will say

12:04

this one I'm glad we can

12:06

laugh about

12:10

it because it wasn't too long ago

12:12

where I felt like it would have

12:14

been my obligation to be outraged while

12:17

it is. Oh we were protesting. Yeah

12:19

while I do believe it's absurd I

12:21

also like look around the league and

12:23

be like okay fine

12:25

maybe maybe baby whatever I

12:27

don't care what y'all do. If CJ Stroud ain't show up

12:29

last year I might have a problem

12:35

if Joy and Love would have struggled a little

12:37

bit I might have to cape up my man

12:40

Justin Fields and I do remember like in the

12:43

first couple couple weeks of this show

12:45

right is when I said to something about Justin

12:47

Fields all of Chicago

12:49

got mad at me. You jumped on

12:51

my part. Yeah I came on your part

12:53

and I made the point that like it's

12:55

good for y'all too. Y'all this

12:58

up start over. But

13:00

then they played perfectly. Yeah

13:02

they did. But you

13:05

know what they did do? They got Justin Fields. He

13:08

did play perfectly but Justin Fields not

13:10

perfectly for him. Y'all ain't never gave

13:12

him a chance. But just a

13:15

tiny counterpoint. Okay. New

13:18

kickoff rules. The guys are on these coffee

13:20

each other. There aren't

13:22

any lines. There aren't any

13:25

big guys. If you're

13:27

on that team would you want to tackle Justin

13:29

Fields to the Open Fields? Dominique I

13:32

don't want to tackle anybody in any

13:34

field. No I don't want to tackle

13:36

anybody ever. I don't have to. Charlie

13:38

just swooped in just now Dominique while

13:40

we sitting here like putting the obituary

13:43

together for this man's career. It's like

13:45

hey but you know it can be

13:47

worse right? No don't try

13:49

to rationalize this. It also don't serious

13:52

me up right now. We laughing. You

13:54

want to see it a little bit.

13:56

Hell no. No,

14:00

it's like I don't

14:02

know. I don't want to see he's like

14:04

a John Deere lawnmower running through small guys

14:09

Charlie's out here playing blades of steel

14:11

like video game kick small guy the

14:13

fat guy and one big guy you

14:16

can win But

14:23

listen a Dominique this is how it happened all

14:25

of a sudden Hey

14:37

Back to the position that I need to be

14:39

well done Charlie. It's my guy You know the

14:41

amount of way to go you would make like

14:43

Dante Hall your quarterback Mike

14:46

all your kick returner My

14:50

gosh, yeah, they had to be outlawed it

14:52

had to be outlawed you can't move people

14:54

out of there true I blame football. It's

14:56

not football and I don't want to see

14:59

like Nause doing Drake covers It's what

15:01

it feels like like it's uncomfortable to

15:03

see somebody put in a position like

15:05

this It feels like desperate, you

15:07

know, like it feels like somebody who was

15:09

what's a high special prized

15:12

Person being like hey,

15:14

I'll do that thing for you for a couple of dollars

15:16

Like I think that's all for you for a

15:19

cup watch me do my dance Put it

15:21

a little money in the hat like he was a

15:23

prime time Mainstage

15:26

Performer and you got my guy out

15:28

here returning kicks on a street corner

15:30

with a hat You know, I don't

15:33

want to see him returning returning kicks

15:36

for quarters. No, you know You just

15:38

made me think of like me

15:40

seeing my legends do a car

15:42

shield commercial Like Six

15:49

in the morning man, that makes me

15:51

feel bad, you know, I'm watching my

15:53

legends do this Like Justin Fields is

15:55

the reason why the inner field like

15:57

that. I this is

15:59

the reason I tell anybody because

16:02

of the interactions I've had with guys

16:04

like yourself and former NFL athletes, hey

16:07

man, you should root for them dudes

16:09

to get every single bit of every

16:11

dime of every dollar because you can

16:14

be 21 years old and

16:16

think the world is your oyster

16:18

and three and a half years

16:20

later you are looking at someone

16:22

saying, hey, take that red penny

16:24

off, put yourself an 80 number

16:26

on and go return

16:28

these kicks. When they say,

16:31

give me that jersey, you

16:33

don't need the special jersey no

16:36

more, get down there with them

16:39

blue collar boys. Take

16:41

that special jersey off and the next

16:43

step is they have them on scout team

16:46

being a rush in on scout team.

16:48

Oh my God. I think it's

16:50

on punt coverage, not his thing. Based

16:52

on his experience at Georgia, not his

16:54

thing. If y'all take some hill

16:56

out Justin Fields, I will be boycotting for the

16:59

next two years. No, you're right. You

17:02

got Caleb Williams.

17:08

You got 11 wins this year already. I

17:11

mean, 10-11. Kind of

17:14

like with movies though where I remember

17:16

one of the things you have like

17:18

racial stereotypes in movies and the point

17:20

is or TV shows, the point is

17:22

you can't, it's

17:25

not that you can't have a black drug dealer in

17:27

your movie, but you're going to have

17:29

to put a couple lawyers in there too to

17:31

balance it out. We got a lot

17:33

of black star quarterbacks. Justin Fields can return a putty

17:35

too. Get on back there, get on back there, get

17:37

on back there and sling the rocks. I love it.

17:40

I love it. You look around like

17:42

you look at the neighborhood like, you

17:44

know, I guess it's okay. The neighborhood's

17:46

getting a lot better around here. Between

17:48

Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson, y'all

17:51

can convert a couple quarterbacks now. I

17:54

mean, why not run more option passes?

18:00

I was waiting for Charlie. Oh, this last.

18:02

I just like, if we

18:04

were playing in a video game, you wouldn't

18:06

consider it half-tack pass, Justin Fields. Oh, 100%.

18:09

100% anything to win. But

18:11

this, I can't

18:14

feel like I'm this wrong about something. Like

18:16

this has happened to me before in my life

18:18

where I'm like, all right, I'm not this wrong,

18:20

am I? And I keep going. Like I was

18:23

the last person to get off the Ben Simmons

18:25

train. And if there's one more highlight tape in

18:27

the summer that I see where he knocked it

18:29

down and jumped, I'm like, hey, y'all, y'all see

18:31

that? Like there's certain things, hey, back in the

18:33

day, Keith Van Horn, you couldn't tell me Keith

18:35

Van Horn wasn't about to be the next

18:37

Larry Bird. And then I

18:39

watched Keith's career. I'm like, but hey, man,

18:41

he's still got something. Hey, he's still got

18:43

something. Justin Fields, there's certain players that

18:47

you plant that flag with. You're

18:49

not gonna tell me all of a sudden

18:51

you forgot how to play football. Like we

18:53

have these nature versus nurture conversations with everything

18:56

else. And then sometimes when it gets the

18:58

quarterback and we sit there and act like

19:00

it happens in a vacuum. It's not the

19:02

case. Yeah, the problem is, and this show

19:04

firmly believes that you can ruin a quarterback.

19:07

And it doesn't mean that you're

19:09

wrong about Justin Fields, but I don't see him

19:12

ever being the quarterback

19:14

that he could have been in a better situation.

19:16

I was talking about this when we were doing

19:18

this earlier. I was going through a list of

19:20

rookie quarterbacks when I'm prepping for the show that

19:22

had good seasons. And I was just thinking about

19:25

guys that like had Joe Flacco landed in an

19:27

organization run poorly. Joe

19:29

Flacco would not have turned into a

19:31

multi hundred million dollar Super Bowl champion. And that's

19:33

just like one of the examples. I play with

19:35

Matt Ryan. I think he, I play with both

19:37

those guys. I think they fit in the same

19:39

category. And honestly, I think Dak

19:42

Prescott probably fits in that category

19:44

also. And I think that

19:46

Justin Fields is probably more talented than all

19:49

of those guys. And they really did them

19:51

bad. You know,

19:53

it's funny that you mentioned that cause I

19:55

wrote this down in my notes just walking

19:57

around the day. And I was thinking about.

20:00

Tom Brady and how Tom

20:02

Brady gets introduced to that situation

20:04

because Mo Lewis separates Drew Bledsoe

20:06

from his life pretty much on

20:09

the field. But that was a team.

20:13

Tom Brady is undeniably the greatest quarterback

20:15

that we've ever seen because of all

20:17

the things throughout his career and the

20:19

seven Super Bowls. And

20:22

of course, he got drafted where he got drafted, so he

20:24

probably wouldn't get this situation

20:26

at the outset. But you drop Tom

20:28

Brady fresh out of Michigan into any

20:31

team. We might not see the

20:33

greatest quarterback of all time happen. It's

20:39

the only sport where you've got a

20:41

wall of security to protect the best

20:44

player or the most important player. It's

20:46

the only sport where that player is

20:48

treated like the president in the building.

20:50

You know what Ryan Poles is doing

20:52

right now to make sure that everybody

20:55

on that team and in that organization

20:57

understands who the man is. Like Jalen

20:59

Johnson said some things because Justin Fields

21:01

was his man before the draft. And

21:04

Jalen Johnson has been talking about those things he

21:06

said. And you know why he's been talking about

21:08

them? Because a team is here. I don't care.

21:10

I don't care about how many interceptions you dropped

21:13

Jalen because you dropped a lot last year. Covered

21:15

a hell of a lot of people. I don't

21:17

care how many of them things you catch or

21:19

drop. What Jalen

21:21

needs to understand is everybody

21:24

in the building, your livelihood is connected. Jalen,

21:26

you're going to get big money if you

21:28

get a pick in the Super Bowl. You

21:30

know how you get the Super Bowl? Caleb,

21:33

everybody going to get my man.

21:35

I ran around on the phone with Jalen Johnson like, hey

21:37

man, hey, who's up? My

21:40

man Ted Cruz, who is now a

21:42

sentence that I expected never to say,

21:44

but he has moved up in the

21:47

organization over there in Chicago. He was

21:49

a media relations guy in Kansas City.

21:51

That's my point is everybody in the

21:54

business. Like Ted is great. He's awesome.

21:56

But I don't know exactly what his role was, but it's a

21:58

big role up there. Congratulations, Tex, proud of

22:01

them. But you know what?

22:03

They called them because these teams keep

22:05

winning Super Bowls. And so whoever handles

22:07

travel for y'all, mess around and find

22:10

themselves as an assistant GM if y'all

22:12

can rack up a couple Super Bowls

22:14

so everybody in that building knows. All

22:16

the reporters in Chicago, you know how

22:19

you get to ESPN and you get

22:21

bigger and better opportunities? You know what?

22:24

Y'all better be rooting for that man, too,

22:26

because as good as he does, as good

22:28

as that team does, it's going to mean

22:30

opportunities for everybody close to that team. Oh,

22:33

yeah. No doubt about it. I

22:36

remember when I first started getting notice in

22:38

not only the city but nationally, it was

22:40

because I decided one day on the side

22:42

of a road when we was at Bears

22:45

training camp in Bourbon A, me and my guys were

22:47

talking. I'm like, you know what? I'm

22:49

going to, along with doing the production work that I

22:52

was doing the show on, I'm going to head to

22:54

the United Center every night for free and get my

22:56

own tape because the Bulls just strapped to Derrick Rose.

22:59

And I said, I'm going

23:01

to have my own intellectual property, proprietary

23:03

content. I'm going to ask the questions

23:05

that I want to ask and have

23:07

him on record and just follow

23:10

his career. And all of

23:12

a sudden, Derrick Rose turned into Derrick Rose. I

23:14

can't wait for him. And the people started, yeah.

23:16

Yeah, the Caleb Williams thing is not only good

23:18

for the city, but it's good for a lot

23:21

of people who haven't been heard

23:23

or talked to in this city when

23:25

it comes to media. Wait for your

23:27

NABJ panel on how your

23:30

young kids ain't working hard enough. Better get your

23:32

ass out there. They

23:34

don't need to invite. They don't need to invite

23:36

you. Invite yourself. You got so many more tools

23:38

than I had in my day with the internet

23:40

and all this. I can't wait. Don't wait here.

23:43

Make them come to NABJ and get that

23:45

good stuff. And then I'm going to

23:47

point to Charlie and be like, hey, we got all the merch

23:49

over here, by the way, the purple jacket and Charlie's face on.

23:51

They're going for a budget and a pop. Yeah. Right.

23:56

All right, Charlie, what's next, man? Guys,

23:58

let's pivot to some college. We got to talk. Dion

24:00

for a second. There was the athletic

24:02

article. He's been tweeting at a

24:05

bunch of kids who have transferred from Colorado Is

24:10

the Dion Sanders era at

24:12

Colorado falling apart even faster than you expected

24:16

Mmm falling apart

24:18

part um, I mean

24:20

I think I expected some of this.

24:22

Yeah Yeah, I expected some

24:24

of this like Dion was not gonna stop being

24:26

Dion and also expected some of the reaction I

24:30

don't think is the best way to handle yourself

24:32

as the adult in the

24:34

room, you know and and

24:36

you know without being

24:39

on because the the Interesting

24:41

part about Dion to me is a lot

24:43

of the people who don't like the Dion

24:45

like characters Cleave to a lot

24:47

of the things he says right? So it's like

24:49

Dion is more a part of the establishment than

24:51

anybody would like to believe so

24:54

when he's doing some of these things

24:56

it's like well, I Understand

24:59

who Dion Represents himself to be and

25:01

also what Dion is now So like

25:03

you got to take some of this

25:05

good with the bad when

25:07

it all comes down to it if Colorado don't win

25:09

games and It makes it

25:11

look like all you were doing were trying to

25:13

get certain kids to the professional level You know

25:16

a lot of coaches do that So how will

25:18

he be judged like this this whole going back

25:20

and forth with kids and the portal it looks

25:24

It looks to me like a you bigger than that.

25:26

You don't have to rock like that We don't we

25:28

don't have to talk to kids and pull up their

25:30

stats and you know kids gonna be kids in the

25:33

situation Yeah, so it's not

25:35

the best look but also the people who are

25:38

jumping in like You're

25:40

the ones who wanted this whole thing like you're

25:42

the ones who wanted the entire Dion experience And

25:45

he's creating a lot of content. But yeah, it

25:47

ain't the best look in the world So I

25:49

think Max Olson is the one who wrote The

25:52

athletic piece that the first one that I read

25:54

that kind of set up set off this cycle of

25:56

Dion conversation And in that piece

25:58

you he talked to a bunch of the players

26:01

and of course the players are gonna be upset

26:03

but that wasn't a big walk away to me

26:05

was doing further reading it's like the one thing

26:07

that we said

26:10

that Deon could do like the reason

26:12

to endure all the

26:14

other stuff that you may not like is

26:18

he gonna get him to sign up. They

26:21

said his recruiting class is currently ranked

26:23

80th so I think

26:27

Charlie might be getting a little bit

26:29

ahead of himself by talking about is

26:32

it like falling apart too soon however

26:34

it do feel fall apart if y'all

26:36

stunk last year. That's what they

26:38

put together to fall apart. Yeah that's it.

26:41

Y'all stunk last year and the whole premise

26:43

of this conversation is Deon can offer something

26:45

whether it's his personality or whether it's access

26:47

to media or whatever he can offer something

26:50

that's going to and also like his race

26:52

like people sent that put that up as

26:54

a thing like Deon is black he gonna

26:56

get so many of these players to come

26:59

to these like none of that stuff is

27:01

working he just seems annoying and it doesn't

27:03

seem like he never seemed like a coach

27:05

that I wanted to play for but he

27:08

seemed like a coach that I could understand why

27:10

people would want to play for him none of

27:13

that seems to be coming to fruition

27:15

right now so I'm not sure what

27:17

he has to cling to to hold

27:19

this together other than attention

27:21

and attention has value and listening to

27:23

those young players talk about how they

27:26

felt like they were extras in his

27:28

reality show yeah like that that's

27:30

stung and I wouldn't want to go do that

27:32

and I'm sorry Charlie I know you got stuff

27:34

on this topic too but to your point the

27:37

thing that that I want

27:39

to be careful of and Jason said it

27:42

clearly is Deon is the establishment he

27:44

is getting a lot of people upset at him

27:46

for things that all the coaches do I want

27:49

to be clear that the things that we're talking

27:51

about at least me that are frustrating me are

27:53

not things that all the coaches do all the

27:55

coaches aren't talking to players all the coaches aren't

27:58

having reality

28:00

shows and all the coaches don't

28:02

have a son on the team that it seems

28:04

pretty clear that a lot of this

28:06

is about setting your set up

28:08

like that's not all the coaches but all this

28:11

running kids out of school I hate it too

28:13

but let's come down on everybody for that because

28:15

they all running kid they was running kids out

28:17

of school I told the story here about coming

28:19

back from the Orange Bowl and having our coaches

28:22

have meetings with players because now we good we

28:24

can go after guys we gonna need that scholarship

28:26

sir so this isn't new yeah I mean he's

28:28

taking to the extreme 53 players

28:30

and the portal is an extreme out but

28:32

I mean like it

28:35

just feels like

28:37

he does not care about anyone in the program

28:39

but it's that's what

28:41

it feels like reading this stuff and seeing his reaction

28:43

to it being so flippant about it being like these

28:46

kids are all props to get shador drafted

28:48

very high and that

28:51

that's an extreme version of the

28:53

college coach views viewing all

28:55

of their players as just like movable interchangeable

28:57

pieces and assets like he doesn't even care

29:00

about it doesn't seem like he cares about the

29:02

winning or the program building I think

29:05

I think Dion has also

29:07

told you from

29:10

the gate from

29:12

the moment you've met Dion it is it has

29:14

been about the talent being able to talk that

29:16

type back it up but then on top of

29:18

it is just about me yeah

29:21

and I don't mean it in a

29:23

in a disrespectful way but like you

29:25

know the the alter ego and the

29:27

prime time like it's about him so

29:30

in his older age when we seen him

29:32

on the the media side of things like

29:34

even some of those we used

29:37

to watch someone on his draft interviews if you're

29:39

like oh this about beyond it just happened to

29:41

be this shorty's moment right now right like and

29:43

now he's doing it on the collegiate level as

29:45

a coach and this other thing to you know

29:48

bringing the Migos and everybody and and

29:50

and all the entertainers and everybody on

29:52

the sidelines like that's a that's a

29:54

trick that you can pull when

29:57

you start now but when

29:59

you lose it They don't want to be there. So

30:02

now what do you have? Now

30:04

you have a sideline that's, you know, a little

30:06

barren that don't look as cool. Like at some

30:08

point you got to win. But the about me

30:10

stuff. And that's what we've also associated with him

30:13

too. Like he's won in places. So he ain't

30:15

winning right now. The coach who says it's about

30:17

me, that is not Dion. That's

30:19

not unique to Dion. I think a lot of

30:21

college coaches are like that. But I think what

30:23

Charlie's pointing out is a

30:25

lot of what Dion does is what the other

30:27

coaches do is just on a

30:29

much bigger, more aggressive scale to the point of 53

30:32

players in the portal

30:34

is abnormal. So if anything good comes

30:36

out of this, like I

30:38

don't dislike Dion Sanders. I could care less

30:40

about his career, but if anything good comes

30:42

out of this, it is a light being

30:45

shown on the relative. As we get into

30:47

NIL, I think people are shifting the

30:49

conversation to believing that

30:51

like, oh, these players got power. No,

30:54

they don't. They don't have power. I

30:56

mean, a couple of guys got some power, but like

30:59

the dynamics have not changed in

31:01

college football that much. The coaches have

31:03

more power and leverage and a couple

31:06

of star players can do it also.

31:08

And I don't know. We'll see. Football season should be fun.

31:10

Fun story to see what Dion's going to be up to.

31:13

Child of Prime. I just can't believe he was

31:15

calling most of his players Child of Prime because he didn't

31:18

know most of their names. Jesus.

31:20

Like that's some, that's some, some

31:22

religious. You can't even, can't

31:24

even go like 86. Yeah,

31:27

right. What does that mean? When

31:29

so many cameras are around too, that's the

31:31

other thing too. I remember when we used

31:33

to watch reality TV when it first dropped,

31:35

like after the OJ trial, when you saw

31:37

that first New York real world and like

31:39

92 and you're like, Oh, these people are

31:41

acting like they don't see these cameras around.

31:43

Now we are 30 years into the genre

31:45

and it's like, no, no, no, you have

31:47

to act because the cameras are around. And

31:50

I think that's the problem too. There's so many

31:52

cameras around that any kind of moment

31:54

that isn't prime is ish. It

31:57

won't, it won't look right. So now you have to.

32:00

be that all the time and then on

32:02

top of it you're not winning. So what's

32:04

you know substantive style is what's really cool

32:06

not the not the style without substance if

32:08

we see a whole bunch of times in

32:10

these instances you got your **** beat a

32:12

lot last year. Don't teams put that that

32:14

target on your back because of all these

32:16

cameras. And don't put me in a position

32:18

where I have to root for Norvell that

32:20

was that annoying coach like oh I can't

32:23

don't put me in position where I have

32:25

to root for him and also don't call

32:27

me no damn child of prime like I

32:29

got a daddy and a mama and also

32:31

I'm a grown man and and you're

32:33

not Jesus. This is literally imagining 19

32:35

year old you with Dion calling

32:38

you child of prime. That wouldn't work I

32:40

mean I was pretty rule following good dude

32:42

every coach I was with liked me but

32:44

ain't nobody ever try to emasculate me like

32:46

that or or son me to literally to

32:49

that degree like nah we ain't gonna we

32:51

ain't gonna do that. I mean Lorenzo have

32:53

an issue with that first and then

32:55

I'm gonna have an issue with it. Right the father

32:57

figure thing is like hey but you know they you

32:59

know that some of these kids got daddy so. Even

33:02

if they don't you ain't got it. It's okay to

33:04

be the coach. Coach

33:06

you ain't got like child

33:08

of just fast religious connotations to me but

33:11

anyway Charlie are we gonna get to some

33:13

basketball. Yeah let's do one real quick. We're

33:15

gonna do a little doom casting here. Alright.

33:17

Alright. It's real tough

33:19

it's real tough times for the sons you

33:22

know Matt Ishby disagrees he said that 2026 teams

33:26

would trade rosters with them. It's

33:29

also real tough times for the

33:31

LA Clippers. I know they're only down 3-2 in

33:33

the series but Kawhi Leonard is perpetually injured at

33:35

this point and these are the

33:38

two teams that have gone the most all in

33:40

like to a preposterous historic point.

33:43

Who has a bleaker outlook for the next five years

33:45

to you guys the sons of the Clippers. Oh

33:52

my God. Bleaker outlook probably

33:55

the Clippers. Yeah

33:57

probably the Clippers. Let's

34:01

face it, man, Kawhi's been dragging

34:03

that knee around since before Toronto.

34:06

Like at the end of the San Antonio round where

34:09

it was like iffy. And

34:11

now he's full blown, you know,

34:14

Bernard King status, when he's out there he cold,

34:17

but how often can you get out there with that

34:19

knee like that? And I think he got

34:21

what, three years, a buck 50 extension. So

34:24

that's a lot of money for a guy that

34:26

doesn't play in as many games, especially big games

34:28

as you would like. You know,

34:30

Paul George is in that Donovan Mitchell,

34:32

Trey Young conversation where he might be

34:35

on the move here soon because

34:37

it's got to land on somebody and it's

34:39

somebody that, you know, we haven't extended. And

34:43

you know, other than that, I mean, the clip

34:45

is as well. The sons don't have to play

34:47

in anybody's shadow, right? The

34:49

Clippers have to be that shadow team when you

34:51

make an LA decision as well. So you argue

34:54

against that. It's the brand on the can as

34:56

well. Like since I've been a

34:58

child, the Clippers have been the laughing stock of

35:00

the NBA. So when they do have some kind

35:02

of relevance, it's like, ah, but don't worry, they

35:04

gonna clip soon. The sons don't have

35:07

that. The sons can

35:09

sell you a different life. The sons can sell you

35:11

to some different things. The

35:13

Devon Booker to New York thing, fine. You

35:17

know, Phoenix is an easier, I

35:19

think, organization to get back on track than

35:21

the Clippers, especially with some of the contracts

35:23

that they're looking at. If you unloading things

35:25

in Phoenix, that's fine. You stuck with some

35:27

things in LA. The Clippers thing,

35:29

the one time that they decided not to

35:31

clip, it ended up falling apart

35:33

so badly that they made a damn television

35:36

miniseries about it and got

35:38

Lawrence Fishburne out here to do

35:40

the heat. I mean, makeup

35:42

was being real generous with that hairline,

35:45

I have to say. As

35:48

someone who was fighting, is fighting for

35:50

the time, they was real generous with

35:52

Doc's Shadow, not your

35:55

Shadow Airline. He jumped

35:57

in about 80's point guard.

36:00

that are on TV that just love

36:02

to tap things on their hands. That

36:04

aside, I think you're right. The

36:06

one way, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. The

36:09

one way. That's my

36:11

man. Yeah, I'm sure. The

36:15

one way I will push back on

36:17

you is, it's not much of

36:19

a pushback because I agree with

36:21

you. But like, if you think of assets

36:24

worth keeping, the Clippers have

36:26

won and that's Tyler. Like

36:29

nothing else on there is an asset worth

36:31

keeping. This is good roster,

36:33

good roster role players. Yeah,

36:36

I guess I'm thinking big, big pieces,

36:38

but they have. And

36:41

if you're going to look to the other side about

36:44

potential anchors,

36:46

and we're going to call the Kawhi contract

36:48

an anchor, considering that his knee is never

36:50

going to get healthier and he's never going

36:52

to be better. The anchor on

36:54

the other side is the Bradley Beale contract.

36:56

He's the worst player than Kawhi. It

36:59

has about the same contract about the

37:01

same amount of time. That's going to

37:03

be a hard piece to do anything

37:05

with, but they also do have Devin

37:07

Booker under contract who is a

37:10

great player and is a potential asset

37:12

you could use to rebuild the organization

37:14

if you want to move them out.

37:17

I'd rather be the Suns than the

37:19

Clippers, but I'm glad I'm neither. So

37:21

that's funny. I think I

37:24

would rather be the Clippers than the

37:26

Suns. Really? And the Trump card here

37:28

being mad. I'm

37:31

not blaming this on the players. It's just that this

37:33

guy right now has a delusional outlook. Like his best

37:35

moment as an owner is trying to get Yoko to

37:37

spend it holding the basketball and trying to get Yoko

37:39

to spend it in the playoffs last year because

37:43

you don't have to give up all your

37:45

draft picks until 2030 to win 49 games.

37:49

It's that's not the bar that you give

37:51

up your entire future for and

37:53

they are past the second apron.

37:56

They cannot take in another dollar.

37:58

That's not one for one. So

38:00

this roster as it is right now It's

38:03

stuck and like I Booker really

38:05

good player Durant still an excellent player who's like

38:07

he's not Gotta explain the apron.

38:09

I just same past the apron I

38:11

think they're past the second tax apron

38:13

they're beyond hard caps They can they

38:16

can't take in another dollar without putting sending

38:18

out an exact same dollar amount. There's no

38:20

10% rule There's no adding to

38:22

that And

38:24

the roster we know it's not good enough and

38:26

it's not gonna get better because well Durant's still

38:29

awesome like People

38:31

say he looks just like he did his absolute prime

38:33

if you go back and look at the OKC videos

38:35

He's a he's a statue comparatively. He's still such a

38:37

good jump shooter. He's such a good player He's super

38:39

valuable, but this team doesn't look like a swim in

38:41

the title and the Bradley Beale thing It's

38:44

a huge deal to me. It's like you're

38:46

paying a guy. Yeah I don't think there's

38:48

another contender in the NBA an actual contender

38:50

good team that would want him as

38:52

their third option Yeah, no My

38:55

only my only pushback on that would be

38:57

CBA is about to change money is about

38:59

to change So the the

39:01

real steals are gonna be like guys

39:03

like Jalen Brunson who got a couple

39:06

more years on that deal guys

39:08

like Bradley Beale because we're looking at a situation in

39:10

Chicago right now with a guy like Zach Levine who

39:13

Over the last course like half decade those two

39:15

players have been compared to each other in terms

39:18

of not enough winning But you can see things

39:20

talent wise that would make you believe they're

39:22

a premier player until You

39:24

have to put them on that stage. Yeah, Bradley

39:26

Beale got put on that stage Zach Levine if

39:28

his if the injuries hadn't accrued

39:30

over this last year probably would have been

39:33

put on that stage too because you know

39:35

Who knows well not who knows it seems

39:37

like those the the Bulls and the Zach

39:39

Levine are getting ready to part ways here

39:41

So I think I think the cap will

39:43

become a little bit more manageable for players

39:45

like that You're gonna have to give up

39:48

a lot to get rid of them to

39:50

by the way That's the thing

39:52

but yeah and the issue be

39:54

a point I mean new owners

39:56

always always a crapshoot like some

39:59

some screaming, rant and rave on

40:01

the sidelines. You're like, oh, this is cool.

40:03

But then how do they manage an organization?

40:05

We're seeing right now that this management of

40:08

this organization, hopefully, for their sake, gets a

40:10

little bit more guidance, a little bit more

40:12

foresight. But I wouldn't like to be either

40:14

one of these things. The one, I'd like

40:17

to be Denver. Step one. I'd like to

40:19

be Denver and Boston. Step one, Matt

40:21

Ishbya has to admit he has a problem. Well,

40:24

I mean. What's step two and three then? Not

40:29

to push back on you, because this doesn't change.

40:31

You're saying that the situation currently is bad. It

40:33

is. But the one

40:35

pushback that is a slight

40:37

defense of Matt Ishbya is

40:40

who didn't like that roster when it

40:42

first came together? Who would have made

40:44

that trade for Kevin Durant? Like, move

40:47

everything. I remember feeling like, damn, he's a

40:49

new owner. But he got

40:51

Kevin Durant next to Devin Booker.

40:54

And then he made another move to get

40:56

Bradley Beale. At the

40:58

beginning of the season, we thought they were a real.

41:00

We didn't think, look at this new owner doing new

41:02

owner dumb stuff. We saw him doing new owner stuff.

41:04

But we was like, oh, but this man making a

41:06

run at it. So I don't know.

41:08

Maybe he'll continue. Has Durant

41:11

reached that hot potato status? Nah,

41:13

nah. Because defensively, let me

41:15

say this. Defensively, we talk

41:17

about the offensive stuff. Defensively is

41:19

the biggest falloff. Having

41:22

that guy be able to create the perimeter

41:24

switches and still be a seven footer and

41:26

defend the way he did. And then the

41:28

weak side defense that he showed while he

41:31

was at Golden State. That's crazy. I

41:33

think a lot of this also has been, I won't

41:36

say, I'm not going to be one of

41:38

these guys who thinks Frank Vogel is a

41:40

poor coach. I just think there are certain

41:42

coaches fit for certain things and certain teams

41:44

and schemes. The issues

41:46

that I had had. Better not call him

41:48

a bad coach because Charles Barkley is coming

41:51

to your doorstep. That's fine. That's

41:54

fine. That's fine. I've

41:57

been yelled at by a lot of older cats on my

41:59

block before, too. It's gonna be

42:01

you gotta catch me first I

42:03

think I think we get to that point to where

42:06

all the jump shots that you want to knock down

42:08

and all the Mismatches that you want to create on

42:10

offense is fine But the same thing that Dallas is

42:12

having the issue with if your best player is the

42:14

one that's giving up that 30 He better go for

42:17

40 every night and that's gonna become tougher as well

42:19

I think to rants I won't say fall off but

42:21

some of the steps that he's taken back defensively because

42:23

of age and because of all These minutes. I think

42:25

those are the like the subtle things that are that

42:28

are Leading to these

42:30

kinds of outcomes whether it be in Brooklyn

42:32

or now in Phoenix Yeah, I mean they're

42:34

moving to this stage him LeBron I think

42:36

Paul George are moving to a different stage

42:38

of their career where I mean

42:41

Wayne talking about number one options Obviously, maybe we

42:43

ain't even talk about number two options. We talking

42:45

about hey, we know that this guy

42:47

can give us something We come over and get something problem

42:49

is We don't know what

42:51

they expecting because the way the CBA is currently

42:53

set up They are eligible for

42:55

more money than they have ever been eligible for

42:57

in their lives And you can't pay a guy

42:59

like that if he not gonna be your number

43:02

one or two option and they gonna be at

43:04

least LeBron is gonna be expecting 50-plus

43:07

and the problem is the boogeyman is out here hunting

43:09

them all down in Minnesota. Oh that but Kendrick

43:16

Yeah Of

43:22

course It's

43:25

the any J in the any BJ invite

43:27

has been received. Yeah, we're gonna work our

43:29

way back to that anyway We are we

43:31

all love yokas. He's such a giving passer.

43:33

Anyway, it's been fun Jason golf. You're the

43:35

man. I appreciate it Charlie's been

43:37

fun. Let's do roses and thorns. Oh Jason.

43:39

You might want to stick around and listen

43:41

to this episode of roses Now

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46:37

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46:41

Omar where. Are

46:44

your hands this bill listener? He fair for

46:46

every sat out. The bill barnwell yes and

46:48

them on forces Yeah this is unfortunate. So

46:50

the topic that we're going to talk about

46:52

an hour you have a good memory is

46:54

the reason why we're going to talk about

46:57

this topic so outside our me I mean

46:59

it is kind of trying to play has

47:01

that while we were made will play. Heads

47:03

up on have you got know that if

47:05

this topic goes well you'll enjoy it. If

47:07

not there's going to be cut. Right here

47:10

and will enter. Start hiring are

47:12

burden of heads up so. The.

47:14

Draft and that allotted tax going on.

47:16

A good sign. Tax The Group thirteen.

47:19

That great player that a man

47:21

we have date and Daniels come

47:23

in it's a couple other Dc

47:25

boys were drafted in the top.

47:28

Wherever. They were directed under no idea

47:30

goes out who they were. Sky you keep

47:32

give me directly to Divvy Segue when I

47:34

could not avoid so I'll make one of

47:37

them run. Yes, oh, you're Dc, boys are

47:39

a way. But I think that the Daniels

47:41

rights. our of other I bet

47:43

that be. It's

47:45

been a lot of conversation not

47:47

on the mainstream places, been on

47:50

social media, an onside group tax

47:52

about the athletes and their black

47:54

girl friends at or through near

47:56

white girlfriend that the blackout leaving

47:58

their white girl friends. At the

48:00

drive they were not a mofo. Yeah

48:02

there was some both of them and

48:04

I thought that was worth talking about

48:06

because I think there was one video

48:08

that you share with me that's got

48:10

really popular word some guys I'm trying

48:12

to explain why athletes date white women

48:14

in all the we also was an

48:16

athlete yeah you do they are with

48:18

county where he the I have like

48:21

a d one for an athlete is

48:23

sam been like know groupie he gave

48:25

whatever he gave the his explanations and

48:27

i they just felt. Like. Really

48:29

stupid and wrong and maybe I'm not saying

48:31

is a liar. I imagine that the athletes

48:33

total there, but it just felt weird and

48:35

I think there are a lot of friends.

48:38

Yeah, there's a lot of. Pressure.

48:42

Put. On these guys and I think. I've

48:44

never been happy that I wasn't a first

48:46

round picks. Or. Till

48:49

I'm this draft because it feels

48:51

really sucked for twenty twenty one

48:54

toy do twenty four in some

48:56

cases year old kids to or

48:58

men young men to have to

49:00

be drafted and then have to

49:03

be met with the social media

49:05

backlash of their relationship so he

49:07

says and were in a time

49:09

where I think bed you. Said.

49:12

Not have to be. but I do recognize that

49:14

there are. I'd. Dynamics

49:16

in this country, in the history of

49:18

country and and within black coaches make

49:20

it a conversation piece. So the. Reason

49:22

he saying he seen on the is because as

49:24

I wasn't like I think they're in different rooms

49:27

watching the draft and occasionally. Learned is that cities

49:29

oh yeah you spitzer have within hours know

49:31

you have backed by the comes under your

49:33

nose or your i wasn't for the first

49:35

runaways of at. And so I guess

49:37

I was texting him but like we were talking

49:39

on the phone maybe it was just like know

49:41

I get it wasn't a sex and but I

49:43

was watching whole thing but then once once I

49:45

said it once that he like and this one

49:47

in this I am. I. Doubt it

49:50

as it heads you. a he added different

49:52

girl from fired or me and she's lovely.

49:55

but i say oh had a camera on

49:57

you and you got undrafted higher and

50:00

had cameras on you, you'd have looked just like them

50:02

with your white girlfriend sitting right next to you. A

50:04

lovely, wonderful woman, or a girl back then, I didn't

50:07

know her then, but woman now. And

50:09

so that's why he's blaming it on me. I just said

50:11

it as a joke because he had commented on it and

50:13

I was like, you'd be in the same boat, like y'all

50:15

got a comment. But then also maybe you are more in

50:18

a better place to comment. But I remember

50:20

when I was in college, I

50:22

did notice, because I went to pretty

50:25

white schools, but it was like pretty

50:28

segregated white, middle and high

50:30

school, until there wasn't a lot of

50:32

interracial relationships there. But once I got to Maryland,

50:34

I was like, oh, interracial relationships are everywhere. And

50:37

it is often black athletes

50:39

that I would see them. I remember noticing it then,

50:41

and honestly when I was younger, I would be like,

50:43

why? But as I've

50:45

gotten older, one, I have so many

50:48

friends who are products of interracial relationships, and

50:50

I have so many, I have plenty of

50:52

friends in. And so I

50:54

don't think, I think obviously in society,

50:56

we want anyone to be able, any

50:58

consenting adult, to be able to date

51:00

any other consenting adult. But I

51:02

think for me as a black woman, particularly as much

51:04

as I'm not hating on it, I'm not, what's for

51:06

me is for me. And even if it's with a

51:08

white woman on draft day, we'll get to me. I

51:11

am not concerned about that personally. It

51:16

is curious when you watch it. I

51:18

think, first of all, to go back to

51:20

my draft experience, you know my mother and

51:22

you don't know Isaiah Wilson though. But Isaiah

51:24

Wilson was a tackle, I think from Georgia,

51:27

that got drafted by the Titans a few

51:29

years back. And he was at home, and

51:31

he was like a similar situation where they

51:33

had the cameras at home. And he's a

51:36

big tackle, black tackle from Alabama,

51:38

I think. And his

51:40

girlfriend was white, yeah. I'm

51:43

sorry, I'm sorry, he played at Georgia. Yeah, I

51:45

don't know where he's from, but he played at Georgia

51:47

and he got drafted by Tennessee. His girlfriend was white,

51:50

sat on his lap, and it was funny because- Unappropriate

51:52

in any of any rate. He

51:54

had his head down and crying, kind

51:56

of. And I'll show you the video,

51:58

but she sat on- his lap and it

52:00

was clear that she was looking at the screen

52:02

and she was like trying to get air time and

52:05

felt like and she kept looking back and his mom

52:07

could do that I was saying that you know no

52:09

this has nothing to do with racism just a funny

52:11

thing that I was saying that you know my mom

52:14

and if we had a similar situation like that especially

52:16

back then my mom's mellowed out some as you

52:18

got older she'd have been out there snatching people

52:20

up especially if you were trying to get some air

52:22

time. Oh yeah his mom snatched the

52:24

girl off of him and I believe it was his

52:26

mom I think so that was his story and then

52:29

he actually ended up having a pretty disappointing career

52:31

the first round pick and only had three snaps

52:33

I think and it wasn't her fault yeah went

52:35

on yeah wasn't her fault she was in his

52:37

car when he got a d-u-r-o he went on

52:39

to become a rapper still not her fault but

52:41

no but like I get so I've heard a lot

52:43

of like negative opinions on how many um black

52:48

men in the draft because I think for black and

52:50

black societies and black women like and

52:52

people say it's black women who feel this way but

52:54

I don't know like we're not haters it's just like

52:56

you see so often like black

52:59

men who are quote unquote successful or

53:01

who've made it not opting to be

53:03

with black women as often as black

53:05

women who've been successful and who've been

53:07

carrying black families have been choosing black

53:09

men forever and I

53:11

think and even when we have other choices

53:13

right like the phenomenon and it gives leaves

53:15

me a little bit like curious and is

53:17

it standards of beauty that

53:19

all these things like all that stuff

53:22

is on the table and it's worth

53:24

talking about but I think what I

53:26

see that's different is the the

53:28

the terminology that you use was

53:31

perfect it's that they are opting

53:33

for white women when I

53:35

don't necessarily think that that is

53:37

what they are opting for I

53:40

think that it's a function of being 19 20 21 18 years

53:42

old and

53:45

being in predominantly white

53:47

institutions and also PWIs PWIs

53:49

and also having um also

53:53

having like the segregation barriers lessened

53:55

a bit because if you're an

53:57

athlete you at least for me you automatically

54:00

in the better

54:02

dorms, you're in the nicer part of campus, there

54:05

aren't parties that you can't go to, there aren't

54:07

places that aren't welcoming to you. I mean, I

54:09

was real popular too, but I still ain't going.

54:13

Anyway. I know. I wouldn't want to.

54:15

I'm not speaking to you, I'm speaking

54:17

to the general conversation because

54:19

I do think that it's unfair, I

54:21

mean not unfair, it's social media that happens,

54:23

but I do feel like maybe it is

54:25

incumbent on these young men to seek

54:28

out black women. Maybe some

54:30

people think that's part of their responsibility

54:33

and part of their obligation. I don't think it's

54:35

fair either, but I think that some people might

54:37

think that, but what I don't think is true

54:39

is that they are seeking white women.

54:41

I think that what happens when you're at a

54:43

PWI- Which is how a lot of people see

54:45

it. Yeah, and I think that's how it's framed

54:48

is I think what happens when you're there is

54:50

like I mentioned, they don't have the barriers that

54:52

most people have and they don't need to create

54:54

the community but I think that other just like

54:56

non-athlete black students join frats, join sororities, join

54:58

the black student union, go to the black

55:00

parties, do the black things. We show up

55:03

on campus at 17, 18 years old and

55:06

we can go wherever we want and do whatever

55:08

we want. And then there's also the idea that

55:12

we have some status that automatically

55:14

makes us attractive. And I think

55:16

that the guys are in these

55:18

situations that for every two black

55:20

women, there are 10 white women.

55:24

Just the numbers and the VMPWI's that are like

55:26

10 or 20% black. And

55:28

if they are not actively seeking

55:31

out, the numbers suggest, the

55:33

randomness would suggest that that's who they

55:35

would end up with because at least

55:37

for men I think, I can't

55:39

say all men, but for me, when I was in

55:41

college, I was not looking to find my wife

55:43

and I think most guys aren't looking to find their

55:45

wife, they're looking to have a good time. And then-

55:48

And these are like colorblind daters. Like they are- Yeah,

55:50

I think- So that's something where it's

55:52

different for me, at least the women, most the

55:54

women I know. And like now those of us who

55:56

are like, I'm turning 40 this year and so a lot of my friends are

55:59

and some of who are still single. are like, I should

56:01

have been looking at white guys all along, but like just

56:03

haven't found themselves attracted to them. A lot of the women

56:05

that I'm friends with, the black women I'm friends with are

56:07

attracted to black men. And whether

56:09

it's because women, we aren't just thinking for

56:11

a term, we're taking thinking long term and we want to

56:14

have, you know, these black families or whatever, or if

56:16

it's just like, that's what I think is

56:18

sexy, like whatever it is. So even

56:21

in college, even when I wasn't looking for

56:23

my husband, so lucky that

56:25

I found them at the very, very tail end. But even

56:27

when I wasn't looking for my husband, I

56:29

was looking for what I was attracted to.

56:32

And it wasn't just

56:34

different. I keep saying, I keep saying 17, 18, 19, 20, you were never

56:36

a man or I know, I know. I'm just saying it's different for

56:43

women. So all I'm saying is that's the reason

56:45

why I keep saying that is because I think

56:47

that at that time, guys aren't looking for that.

56:49

They're looking to have a good time in college.

56:52

And I think the way that it happens, at

56:54

least speak for me is like, yeah, looking for

56:56

a good time. And then, hey, you're

56:58

cool. And maybe most of them aren't cool, but

57:00

you meet one is cool and you're around, then it's

57:02

your girlfriend, then you get drafted. Then you know

57:04

what? It's not like you're like, Hey, you're drafted. And

57:07

then you break up with him. Now, I did

57:09

break up with her, but it wasn't because I'm scum

57:11

is because I was not looking for life. And

57:13

anyway, I think, and then

57:15

you get to the situation. And I guess the point

57:17

I'm making is it doesn't feel to me like

57:20

these are people, talented

57:22

tense, so to speak, or like exceptional people,

57:25

like people in an exceptional situation with

57:28

some status saying now finally, I can

57:30

get the white girl that always wanted.

57:32

I think that's not true. I think

57:34

that guys with status have

57:37

a harder time, I think, finding people and when you

57:39

have a choice. And I think this is also part

57:41

of your point. And I

57:43

think this is what angers some

57:45

black women also is though the

57:48

belief is those white women wouldn't have been interested

57:50

in you if you couldn't do this or do

57:52

that. I've never been a white woman. I can't

57:54

speak on them or what they think. I'm not

57:56

saying that I'm saying that this is what irritates

57:58

some of the black women. Yeah, no, I understand.

58:00

And I think also it's just too that being

58:03

a black woman, like I think that a lot

58:05

of people I know more and more now, like

58:07

black women are attractive to a rainbow

58:09

of men. But

58:13

again, like so many at least, and I

58:15

can only talk about myself and the women

58:18

I know, we are seeking a black partner,

58:20

whether it's like a hookup or

58:22

a husband, like we're looking for black men. And I

58:25

think that's been the case historically. And maybe some of

58:27

it hasn't always been by choice. I

58:29

think so much of it, if you go back through,

58:31

I remember when I was in Kotmai last year, prior

58:33

to I was writing this paper on black

58:35

Oscar winners through history and thinking

58:37

about how men were represented, like

58:39

the Jezebel,

58:42

like when Halle Berry won Monster's Ball, it

58:44

was like she was this like, basically,

58:46

who was having sex with the old white man.

58:49

I guess he was a metal, but anyway, Angelinas, whatever

58:51

his name was, ex. And

58:54

then there was like the Mammy role, like when it

58:56

was, a long time ago, first black woman who won

58:58

it. And

59:00

then men often win for like, Denzel

59:03

Washington won for Malcolm X, he won for training day where

59:05

he was like a crooked cop. And Sidney

59:07

Poitier, he was like dating a white woman in

59:09

that, right? But men typically just

59:12

are seen, the stereotype for

59:14

black men is like that they're attractive. And this dates

59:16

back to slavery, like as black women, we were either

59:18

supposed to like have a bunch of babies, or

59:21

nurse white babies, or be

59:23

open to have sex with the master, like the

59:25

stereotypes around us weren't very positive. I

59:27

have choice in hoping. Yeah. And

59:30

black men were seen as, which wasn't necessarily

59:32

a good thing, but often you guys were seen as being

59:34

so strong, like you can do all the

59:36

labor and stuff like that. But ultimately, like

59:38

strong is attractive. All that stuff is ingrained.

59:41

No, it's ingrained. And so for black and

59:43

standards of beauty, like beautiful women, even as

59:45

black women, like and I have benefited from

59:47

some of those things, like

59:50

have their hair, their nose, you

59:55

know, like, no, I'm very brown though,

59:57

but some of the things I have.

1:00:01

But I'm not saying I haven't benefited from the

1:00:03

fact that like standards of beauty are like

1:00:05

irrelevant. But for black

1:00:07

women it's frustrating sometimes because it's like through history.

1:00:10

We have stood by you like in

1:00:13

when you know like and

1:00:15

then it seems like maybe black men don't choose us

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in the way that we've chosen you and where you

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guys have this opportunity and it's not an opportunity to

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me because it's not what I would have wanted to

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be kind of desired because black men

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are so sexy and athletes

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are cool and rappers are cool to be desired

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by non-black women that historically I would say some

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people would say black women haven't had. Now

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I think kind of like I've always

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thought we were fine and fabulous but I don't

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think any of that is wrong. But I'm just

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saying why it feels like people hate on it

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sometimes even though I have 40 I

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don't. I mean I guess maybe this is

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something that people who are listening or watching this is news

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to them but none of this is news to me like

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I understand why it could be. I

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understand why it could be offensive like or why

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it could upset certain groups of people like that's

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not confusing. But it doesn't upset me to be

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clear one like no one said it I've said

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it multiple times we're fine with it. You're so

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scared. I said you was trying to cover your ass

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earlier you keep saying no I'm not no it's not just I'm

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trying to cover my ass. I think it points no I

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think it points I was a hater on it and like

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I didn't understand it and I was like why do you

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guys want this like why it might so

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I think it might change now because

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you're married and yeah that

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but also I think I think so maybe it's not

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just that I'm married so I'm not out here trying

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to find me a man but that like I see

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that like and I don't know

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what it would be like to be with someone from different race but like I

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like who am I to judge if people have

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real feelings or not like if you do good

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for you like I was so excited with love

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I don't remember the name of

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the case not loving and so yes I want

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I want loving case to be around but with

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the loved ones case a few years ago like

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people a consenting adult should be able to be

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with like that's a society you want to live

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in right but you also don't want

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a society where people don't want black

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women nerds because you reference in court

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case because I'm not a nerd. I'm

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a gamer. Yeah, you try to I I

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mean I've told you this but the audience needs to know they

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need to know that I met you

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when we were in college and I Tried

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to flirt with you and you were nice

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enough But it didn't seem like it

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was gonna end and the way that I wanted it

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And And you also

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seem pretty ditzy and I was like I don't

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find this attractive And then the only time I

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took you seriously was after that towards the end

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of college when I had conversation Do you was

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like hey, she's not stupid and then I said,

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all right It just speaks to status

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being attractive and then you got into like fancy

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law school and I was like, all right We

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were dating well, I know I know I'm just

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saying that I recognized that that was why are

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you rolling your eyes? Like I think I'm saying

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that part of the reason at least for me

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another thing that I think you deal with as

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athletes is people believing

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that Somebody is only

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with you because you're an athlete and I

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actually Don't I'm not

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offended by it. He's only with me because

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I'm pretty and he thinks I'm smart not

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only but I mean like a static status

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matters and like I recognize that part of

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the Thing that is attractive about

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me is that I was really good at something

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and also like it helps that to all the

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physical Attributes that are attractive for men is like

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yeah, it's really good at something really tough and

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manly and masculine So and he's still you're welcome.

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I am. Yeah. Thank you. Ask you for this.

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This is a great segment. Thank you Rose The

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team they won a game, but they also lost game We have to

1:03:28

talk about that one because they won their last game two

1:03:30

and one every week go Tigers.

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Thank you, Charlie Thank you

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all my great producers Sarah

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Fina Megan Kevin Brian Paudeville,

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I love you. We out Also

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in Charlie's honor Cortez The

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