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Off top. Queen bees

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This is the Dominique Foxworth show.

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All right. Welcome to Dominique Foxworth show. I'm here with

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my good friend and co-host Charlie

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Kravitz. We had a lot of great

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basketball this weekend. It was pretty fun

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and some I've never had such

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a insignificant feeling game seven

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ever in my life. I still watched it

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it enjoyed it but also was like you

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guys are just fighting to lose

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to the Celtics. Caps magic. You

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can name the teams. Do I have to? Brave

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future in Orlando shout out to Kevin Clark and

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Paulo Bank. I was I was disappointed. I wanted

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to see Ben Carroll play another round. I

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mean we know what the Donovan Mitchell Cleveland experience

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is but anyway somehow we managed despite having real

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good games talk about to talk a little bit

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about the one game that normally cares about so

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Charlie where you want to start largest

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game seven deficit ever overcome that 18-point

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lead. No, we got come on who

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are kidding. We're starting with the

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no flags. We're starting

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with the Wolves in the Nuggets. Okay game

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one was out of control

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at the Edwards was you don't see this

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often. He's playing the Cole

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Yocha. He's clearly the best player on

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the floor. The Wolves went into Denver

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out executed them down the stretch won

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the game and was unstoppable.

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They got incredible contributions from go bear

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from Naz read from Carl Anthony towns

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in the third quarter. Mike

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Conley a lot of guys are white hot like

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that. Do you do

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you know okay but coming off that game do you have

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you the Wolves is the favorites in their series with the

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Nuggets? I mean

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it was really fun. If

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you would have asked me this immediately after

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the game, I might have said that I

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view them as the favorites to win the

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championship for the next 10 years. Because it

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was so fun and we were all caught

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up in the Anthony Edwards hype. He started

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that game. Amazingly. that game

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amazingly like it was so clear

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that he was the best player on the

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floor on while he's on the floor with

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what a lot of people think is probably the the

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best player in the NBA right now I mean coming

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off a couple well not last year's MVP which I

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mean you're not going to sidetrack me into an NBA

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debate I know you want to but coming

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off of what it looks like he's about to win MVP this season

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is the best player in the world okay yeah he's the best player

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in the world for we don't have to talk about it he's

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the best player in the world and in that

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particular game in game one an important game he

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had the road yeah and coming off

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of a tough well neither of them

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were had particularly difficult times dispatching of

2:38

the teams but they weren't easy series

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I guess for like uh

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the Lakers I mean for the Nuggets to

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overcome the Lakers it was as tough as uh sweep can

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be but I expected the

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nugget I don't know if you know this

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Lakers led like 70 percent of the yeah

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I know but you this is we do

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a lot of inside stuff on this show

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that people don't know but like I laughed

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at Charlie for trying to say that the

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nugget series was tough against the Lakers because

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they swept them and at no point in

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that no point in that series did you

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at all think that the Lakers had a

3:11

shot but in your defense it feels like

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the series was tough based on the way

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that they showed up to this next series

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I assumed that the defending champs

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would show up and I didn't necessarily

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assume that the wolves wouldn't win the

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series but I just knew they were

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gonna lose game one on the road against the

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battle tested defending champions of

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the league but that's part of it I

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guess is uh there's so

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much in this to talk about so there's the Anthony Edwards

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angle there's also I feel

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like I'm getting drawn back into

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the uh the like knee-jerk reaction

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to completely doubting the Nuggets and

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completely overhyping the wolves I'm

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not gonna allow that to happen I think the wolves had a

3:52

great game a lot of the role players

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stepped up Anthony Edwards was incredible

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and he has been for a stretch it's

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hard to imagine that he's going to

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continue doing this. It's hard

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to imagine that the role players will

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Nas Reed will play as well as this and Connelly

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will play this well. I

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think that I have

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not changed my opinion of this series. I

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mean, town's, I don't consider towns a role

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player. Yeah, I knew

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you. Well, he said he's a big three.

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Did you see that clip? I mean, it

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was such a like, it's

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such a high level backpack that he pulled off.

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If you haven't seen it, car, any towns in

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the post game and a locker room said, everybody's

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talking about essentially, I

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mean, to paraphrase everyone's talking about how great our

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big three is. It's really about the big 15.

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Like saying the whole roster, that's a long way

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to go to tell us that we're talking about

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something that we ain't talking about. We talk about

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one man, Carl, Carl,

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I know I'm not sure which one of your 11

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voices you use for that. But just stop

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it. Stop it. The big one.

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You're a really nice role player.

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I mean, there's some amazing stats

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for that that Wolf's team from

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game one. I mean, Edwards

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is the only player who missed multiple field goals in

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the in the in the half. And that's

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because he had 12 of them because they were so hot.

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They shot 71% from the floor and 58% from three

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in the second half is what

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Edwards doing sustainable. It I

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don't know if it is. He's like, he's the

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second coming of Michael Jordan scored 40 points, shooting

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55% and 40% from three

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every single game. Do I think he'll come

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back to earth? Probably. But I think you're

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taking a more nuanced view that is

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the read that you still think the nugget should be

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favored in this series based on the metal, the fact

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that they have yokich that they're going

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to play better. Michael Malone wants them

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to start better. Yeah, I think yokich.

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I think it's fair for me to say that yokich had

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a bad game for him. Yeah, definitely

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fine game for everyone else. If

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You could get that from other. He be

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happy but. He had

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a bad game for him. I'll. Be him

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having another bad game like that.

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Ah I guess the the real

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thing that hate that had we

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hung up about sticking with the

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nuggets. the. Supposedly. Battle

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Tested team is to real Banks is one

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we know with the nuggets to look like

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when Jamal married now don't think they they

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being being and Jamal Murray is on a

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floor with small marry a non floor like

6:26

the cabins real slowed him to or a

6:29

point where it seems like he's not himself

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and this team. Can't. When

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we saw was that I'm The Warrior series

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The last time we saw this team look

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vulnerable in a play off when they lost

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at War for the War. Went on to

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win a championship in Islam very May front

6:43

of a the press commerce with his goggles

6:45

on ever lane. So the.

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Murray injury has two parts. it's

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he's incredible player. Big. Moment

6:52

Merchant Jamal Murray like ah he's he's

6:54

a number two option. hey we're talking

6:56

about the big to in Denver A

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subset the he's a number two option

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that you really trust of the ball

7:02

down to the game and that like

7:04

really rare but also. With. Yolk

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It. And I can't say this enough. Yolk.

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It is unbelievable. But the super power is

7:10

that to a game of yoga Tim Murray.

7:13

Together, they're completely unstoppable. or both of them

7:15

are are playing that pick and roll down

7:17

the stretch and seeing him sort of get

7:19

handled by Jane Mcdaniels. He didn't play well

7:21

offensively in that game, but. Was

7:24

able to. I'd. Keep. Jamal Murray

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like. Really? Not as a

7:28

non factor and then then be able to it

7:30

straight up like to play. lot of people are

7:32

talking maslin go bare tip the alley oop and

7:34

the you have is that that a gordon and

7:36

that's because they can play could shut up and

7:38

really unique way. they want yolk it should be

7:40

a score. It's like with The Heat in the

7:43

finals last year and if you do that you're

7:45

not getting the the Maestro yolk. It's part where

7:47

he's getting rid of off the boss, flinging around

7:49

people are making open threes, porters getting open looks

7:51

in the corner it's It's just becomes lot harder

7:53

for him to have to do everything. I mean

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I think the heat game plan is. That an

7:57

interesting one would like bam or by.

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Incredible Team is a player but

8:02

even that big. And. And

8:04

I feel like the. Physical

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used to com little damn I feel

8:09

like vit yeah cause it was tough

8:11

Watson joke. it's. Body. I'm up.

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I do. So the pointed out that

8:16

revoir brought up bam size and obviously

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they're a bunch of other things that

8:20

are different about those two teams, about

8:23

the wolves in the heat, but I've

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eight go bare. Size matters in town.

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size matters and nice. Reed is also

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someone that they're comfortable having. or joke

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it's but mostly rule as he had

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a hell of a game, but mostly

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go bare and they can play that

8:39

way and still make yolk his work

8:41

so like I remember. That Heat

8:43

series like yeah we can play you mess

8:45

up on bam bam. Comfortable in a perimeter

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but it always felt like yoga is which

8:50

is taken down low in joke is was

8:52

trying to do that against Go Bare but

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having a harder time there was also sought

8:56

really poorly from Three Words Or. S

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He's one of the players who he doesn't suit

9:02

a ton of amazing. More three than you'd expect

9:04

the center but it feels like every time he's

9:06

going to see every time he shoots a three

9:09

I think it's going and he's one of those

9:11

players. the I was shocked when he had like

9:13

that late game three that like absolutely miss everybody

9:15

is the side of the rim. flashback what speeds

9:17

are going through that Again, that's a bad period.

9:20

It's impressing in China than trying to force it.

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Also like so. Where. I come out and

9:24

hat. Same big three. It's funny

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because of relay where we're headed in.

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this conversation is if there is a

9:31

big three you last know anybody like

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the most important people that is like

9:35

the anchored to that defense and then

9:37

the guy who is. Making. Us

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occasionally Manson, Michael Jordan. I'm sorry

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to cut your. Yeah. Someone's

9:44

hands are in the summer tea party can

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have no I mean so where I phone

9:48

the on the original question the question is

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I do think they should be fair to

9:52

this point. I know Edwards is a come

9:54

come down to earth amassing. They're going to

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win the series. The.

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Nuggets. I think it was a

10:01

bad sign how much

10:03

they're flipping the switch against the Lakers. I

10:06

think KCP is very injured. It's

10:08

clear that his ankle is not the same. He's not moving

10:10

as well. I think Murray is pretty injured. I

10:13

think the Nuggets offense is going to be less

10:16

potent with an injured Murray. And

10:18

KCP is really important for trying

10:20

to guard Edwards. The

10:22

possessions where Aaron Gordon was guarding Edwards were

10:24

an unmitigated disaster. And you don't want to

10:26

turn to a really young player like Peyton

10:29

Watson or Christian Brown. To guard Edwards for

10:31

significant stretches or he's going

10:33

to get more Michael Jordan comparisons in

10:35

those games. Yeah, that's

10:37

fair. I think where

10:40

my slight pushback is and I didn't I

10:42

said there were two reasons and I only

10:44

said Jamal Murray and then we went on

10:46

to you. Yeah, I cut you off. It's

10:48

fine because this sets up perfectly because I

10:50

think the reason why I would want to

10:53

stick with the Nuggets is because in

10:55

clutch situations, the Nuggets are great and

10:58

the Wolves are not. They

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happen to be last night. But again,

11:03

it's not it feels like everyone right now in

11:06

sports media is going to rightfully

11:09

celebrate Anthony Edwards and we should too. But it

11:11

also feels like we are right now or maybe

11:14

I am right now pouring some cold water on

11:16

this and you also are too. You said that

11:18

you think that he's going to come back down

11:20

to earth. Definitely a little bit. Right. But I

11:22

do also believe that that

11:25

clutch situation was fluky for

11:27

the Nuggets. You mean go

11:29

bare back again. 15 footer not

11:32

read bank again. Three banking and

11:34

threes go bare looking uncoordinated but

11:36

making buckets and two of them

11:38

and Nasri catching a miss

11:41

Edwards three and banging at home and hitting

11:43

another like yeah that felt unusual

11:46

and yokeage missing plays in the

11:48

clutch situation and missing shots and

11:51

then that awful defensive play when

11:54

Edwards just run takes them back runs all the

11:56

way down to the basket. Yeah, this is not

11:58

something that I think will be repeatable. for the Bulls.

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Doesn't mean they won't win, but they

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won't win that way again. Unless

12:05

you're saying that

12:08

the injuries and the fatigue, I guess, that

12:10

they're having is something that makes them a

12:12

different team than what we saw last year

12:14

in the playoffs and then what we've seen

12:16

this year in a regular season in those

12:19

clutch minutes. What do you think about all

12:21

this Edward Jordan stuff? I

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mean, I don't think much about it. It's

12:25

fun. Like I'm with it. So I

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tend not to want to be the wet blanket.

12:31

So that's why I brought up the fact that

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I realized that we're kind of doing that. Like

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if we're having fun, it's fun. Let's go. I

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think you don't have to make those comparisons for us

12:40

to enjoy it. But yeah, we'll steal the joy from

12:42

it if he falls short because what he's doing right

12:44

now is great. Are they going to?

12:46

Is he going to go into Jordan? Ask run

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and take them all the way to the finals

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and win the championship? Hell no. I don't even

12:52

know about that. I feel like the look of

12:54

the look. This doesn't happen. Like this doesn't

12:57

happen. Like we talked about this before the

12:59

show. Like Kobe sort of self-compared himself to

13:01

Jordan. Like are we like Vince Carter? What

13:03

do we do? Like LeBron sort of never

13:05

people were mad that he got Jordan comparisons

13:07

because of the way he played. Like it's

13:10

kind of cool that there does feel like there's he's

13:13

a hint, a hint of MJ

13:15

in there. His biggest highlights from

13:19

the game one was the

13:22

block and some Jordan ask

13:24

mid range play. Like he hit that.

13:26

It's not only the fade away. That

13:28

was Jordan ask. It was what he

13:30

did to Gordon on the elbow and

13:32

hit that jumper. That reminds me. It's

13:34

not the same spot, but I'm going

13:36

to sound really old, but that 63

13:38

point game where they lost against the

13:40

Celtics. It reminds me some degree of

13:42

Jordan going tween tween pull up jumper

13:44

right there. It just, it feels very

13:46

Jordan ask. And the fact that his

13:48

highlights are in mid range is like,

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it's just weird that he's getting like these comparisons

13:53

and like, it hasn't happened in like 20 years.

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Like it feels like the last time someone was

13:57

like hype people wanted it to be like this.

14:00

was like Vincent 2001 and some Kobe stuff

14:02

but this feels much more organic. I think

14:04

it's the part of reason why people are

14:06

comfortable making these comparisons is

14:08

because of the late game stuff and

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it's not that he's good in late game situations

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because there are lots of players like that who

14:16

are good in late game situations. It's

14:18

that it feels like

14:22

his heart rate slows down and

14:25

like there's a burst of

14:27

dopamine into his body

14:29

when he's in a like a

14:31

tough situation which that feels

14:35

Jordan-esque almost like Jordan but

14:38

what's different between the two and correct me

14:40

if I'm wrong even though he'll

14:42

stare somebody down or barking people's faces

14:44

and he'll give like aggressive high fives

14:46

that's Anthony Edwards that is in these

14:48

big situations it feels

14:51

like he's happy to be in the

14:53

moment whereas everyone else either

14:56

feels like nervous in the

14:58

moment tense in the moment or ferocious

15:01

in the moment it's something about

15:03

Anthony Edwards is like this

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is why I've been doing all this stuff

15:08

so I could be here like it seems

15:10

like it doesn't even cross his mind that

15:12

things couldn't go well or that he doesn't

15:14

care whether it goes well or not he's

15:16

just like happy to be there and it's

15:19

really cool it's really fun and that's why

15:21

it feels like his like Q rating is

15:23

1000% there's no constituency in the league except

15:25

for the Nuggets right now and they probably

15:27

love him too that doesn't love Anthony

15:30

Edwards. Do you want to explain the Dominic

15:32

Foxford show theory of why everyone loves Anthony

15:34

Edwards? This is patented yeah

15:36

we have to claim this shout out to

15:38

Kevin so this is why everyone loves Anthony

15:40

Edwards I'll look to the camera and let you know. Anthony

15:43

Edwards he has

15:46

the explosiveness and athleticism

15:48

that young people and

15:51

love and the personality

15:54

and attitude traits that young black

15:56

people and older black people really

15:58

appreciate but all Also, he bringing

16:01

back that nineties ball and he

16:03

is playing in a way with

16:05

this team that drafted him that

16:07

crotchety old whites love. There's no

16:09

one, no one who

16:11

can have a problem with the way

16:13

that he's doing it because he's doing

16:15

the opposite of what the generation before

16:17

that crotchety old people and sports reporters

16:20

would be upset about and people like

16:22

Charlie would be annoyed by is like,

16:24

Oh, he's going to drive me a

16:26

super team. No, he's taking go bear.

16:30

Who we all decided was not good enough

16:32

to win with in Utah.

16:34

And he's taken Carl Anthony towns

16:36

who yeah, you've already pointed out

16:38

some of the issues with Carl Anthony towns and

16:40

he is going toe to toe and knocking off

16:42

the defending chance like this. And

16:45

on top of it, he's doing mid range stuff.

16:47

That's Jordan S no one can not like this

16:49

guy. You know what he's doing with that. He's

16:53

doing it the right way and he's and he's

16:55

getting fist bumps that say keep doing what you're

16:57

doing young blood. You did it so much better

16:59

than me. You're a better writer too. It's so

17:01

much so concise. All the on point. You're right.

17:04

You should have done it. And there's no foul

17:06

grifting. Yeah. The foul grifting is

17:08

a, that's a doing it the wrong

17:10

way. That actually annoys everybody. Yeah. That

17:13

transcends everything. It's just annoying to

17:15

watch. That's just there. They

17:18

are responding to incentives, but those incentives

17:20

are to win, not to entertain. A

17:22

hundred percent. I get why people

17:24

do it, but it's, I think it's

17:27

universally reviled from an entertainment product. Your

17:29

man, uh, I don't know. Jalen Brunson we'll

17:31

get to him later. He held there grifting. I

17:33

agree. He a little grifty,

17:35

but, uh, um, I didn't want

17:38

to make one more point that I was thinking of

17:40

as I was talking about this and maybe I should

17:42

have taken a break to check the stats or you

17:44

can look up while we're talking about it. We

17:47

always ascribe some level

17:49

of battle testedness

17:52

to defended champs, which is also

17:56

normally earned because it's hard

17:58

to win NBA championship. The Nuckus

18:00

Championship run last year was easy. So

18:04

I know this sounds outrageous, but

18:06

like name the series that

18:08

they had their back against the wall and they

18:10

fought through it. None. They haven't

18:13

been down in a series since the Warriors series in 2022. So

18:16

I don't know

18:18

how much this means. Normally the point

18:20

of bringing something up, something like that

18:22

up is because there's

18:24

something inside the team or the players

18:26

when things get tough that they're like,

18:29

all right, we've been here before. We're

18:31

comfortable. I have to imagine

18:33

that winning a

18:35

championship puts whatever whatever.

18:37

But the point still remains

18:40

that we haven't seen how they respond. We

18:43

haven't seen them respond positively and a

18:45

back against the wall. The team

18:47

on the other side is as good as us or

18:50

better. And what are

18:52

we going to do? That's that's a new new

18:54

territory. And I'm the one who is saying that

18:56

I still think I like the Nuggets in this.

18:58

Yeah, I mean, it's you know,

19:01

it could easily become a series with Ant playing this

19:03

well that lifts yoke. It should be like I have

19:05

to do the best guy in the series. And that

19:07

would be that would be a really entertaining thing and

19:09

a path forward for the Nuggets because like that's possible.

19:13

The guys as good as any

19:15

offensive player we've seen since Jordan and that could

19:17

be unleashed now. It's distinctly possible

19:19

or cannot. We'll see. You're

19:21

you're man. I you're getting kind

19:24

of hyperbolic. You're saying

19:26

Anthony Edwards is no no. No, it's good of an

19:28

offensive player. I got you. My bad.

19:30

My bad. Last thing that I want to check

19:32

with you do like a little temperature check

19:34

of how outrageous this is. Am

19:37

I like doing a little bit of like sports

19:40

guy cliche nonsense when I'm talking about

19:43

like the ballot battle test it nature

19:45

because I know that you

19:47

agree with it. I agree with you completely. All right.

19:49

And like I know we're going to talk about the

19:51

Thunder who are young and that's another team where it's

19:54

like there's some youth in a playoff. We're going to

19:56

talk about the Celtics who are very battle tested. But

19:58

I don't know. It feels

20:01

flimsy as I'm saying it. I

20:03

don't know. I just think that like pressure is

20:05

real Like and people feel a

20:07

lot less pressure when they know they can win things

20:10

when they've done it before Do you

20:12

think momentum's real? I do me

20:14

too. Yeah, I've come around I'm

20:16

not I mean, I don't think it's like oh they have

20:18

the momentum the series is over a type of thing like

20:20

but like Yeah, if you and teams are going on a

20:22

run and they're really feeling it whether you want to quantify

20:24

this momentum or whatever Like yeah, I think that's the misunderstanding

20:27

of what momentum is in sports I think

20:29

it's just like about being in

20:32

a good space psychologically. Oh, yeah Your

20:35

role which I think people push back because like

20:37

well if momentum is real then how do you

20:39

stop it? Sometimes you miss a shot

20:41

there goes your mo but anyway Oh, that's like the

20:43

weirdest thing about sports that people always like dude,

20:45

you can like miss one thing like

20:48

we I'm

20:50

familiar. All right. Let's go to the other series in the West

20:52

because it's also an I think it's gonna be an awesome one

20:54

we got the baby Thunder against Luca

20:57

Kyrie in the mass and the Thunder

20:59

of the ones gave me a flashback to Plays

21:02

that I've up that still haven't gone away.

21:04

Anyway, proceed we can therapies about that

21:06

after this topic Now

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you that the books have the thunder who are the onesies

24:31

and the mavs as essentially a toss-up? I

24:33

think my knee-jerk reaction is no, as

24:35

the thunder are better. And I think

24:37

that's part of the reason why I

24:39

was asking that question about the

24:42

battle-tested nature and the age, do we

24:44

really think it matters? Because I think

24:46

the thunder, if we think that matters, I think

24:49

the thunder are absolutely better and they

24:51

should not be a toss-up.

24:53

However, I also think that

24:56

I'm carrying with me some

24:59

residual opinions about

25:01

the mavs that are no longer

25:03

true. It's like they're

25:06

a Luka-led team, which is still true, that doesn't

25:08

play defense because Luka doesn't play defense. They actually

25:10

are pretty good at defense this year and

25:13

Luka still doesn't play much great

25:15

defense. Tries more when he's healthy.

25:18

And so if they play

25:20

better defense this year and they

25:23

have the best player and

25:25

the most battle-tested and playoff-proven

25:29

two players in the series, and

25:31

Kyrie's playing incredibly well offensively,

25:33

which you would think that having both of them on

25:35

the team would completely destroy

25:38

a defense, but it has not. That

25:43

makes me feel like they're actually

25:45

closer than

25:48

my like, automatic reflexes. Like, I

25:50

think of all the long, athletic,

25:54

unselfish, generous players

25:56

on OKC. And I'm like...

26:00

They're not gonna have any trouble, but I

26:02

think the Mavs might be better than

26:04

I think they are. So the

26:06

case for the Mavericks, they

26:08

conceivably could have the two best players

26:10

in this series. Kyrie is

26:13

playing so well and it's like, he hasn't

26:16

played this well in seven years. Like

26:18

legitimately, that's like that's, it feels like yesterday

26:20

that he was playing with Lebron in the

26:22

2017 playoffs and they were this historically great

26:24

offensive team coming off the title, just ran

26:26

into the Warriors buzzsaw seven

26:28

years ago. It's a really long time and

26:30

he looks as good as, or not, or

26:32

if not better than ever. Luca, despite having

26:34

a weird first round series against the Clippers

26:36

where he wasn't that good, like we've seen

26:38

him before. His playoff resume is sterling. Like

26:41

his playoff resume is sort of

26:43

like what would happen if the Edwards gets

26:45

to finals, or conference finals with the team. Like that's

26:47

what Luca did a couple years ago and it's like,

26:50

that's the argument for them. Argument against

26:52

them is I really just think that the Thunder, think

26:54

he can see who will be as good as anyone

26:56

in the league and we just don't realize it yet.

26:58

Like SGA plays a weird, herky

27:00

jerky game and he's been much better in this

27:03

playoffs. I don't think

27:05

most people know how good Jalen Williams is, how

27:07

impactful Chet is and how complete this team is.

27:09

Like we

27:11

thought Luca was in jail with Paul George and

27:13

Kawhi, I guess Kawhi didn't play that much with

27:16

Paul George and the wing defenders from the Clippers.

27:18

Enter the Dorcher chamber buddy. Jalen Williams

27:20

and Dort are going to be, those

27:23

guys are going to be a problem for Luca.

27:25

So you, you think that is not a toss

27:27

up. No, I think the Thunder are much better.

27:29

I think we win the series. I got to

27:32

be honest. I mean, I'm aware of the Dorcher

27:34

chamber. I didn't know that's what they were calling

27:36

it, but I'm

27:38

not as familiar with Jalen's

27:41

abilities. I know you've been

27:43

talking about, you've been trying to get me to

27:45

believe in him on

27:47

a higher level than I think I'm comfortable

27:50

with, but this feels like a

27:52

coin toss to me and you, and you think

27:54

is okay. I want it to be okay. See,

27:56

but you, we just a segment ago or a

27:58

conversation ago, you just said. that

28:00

playoff experience and

28:03

playoff metal matter. Yeah.

28:07

You like me believe that it only

28:09

matters if the talent is close. And

28:11

so you're saying that the talent isn't close. I just

28:13

also think that like, there's

28:16

a difference between winning championships and just having experience

28:18

making it like the second round with Luca. I

28:20

mean, I think that beyond

28:22

the case of the Stars, the Mavs

28:24

role guys are who transform the defense. So

28:26

if you like the Derek Lively is the,

28:28

I mean, I guess Cleve is out, the

28:31

Cleve is the Derek

28:33

Jones, PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford, all those guys

28:35

have made them a completely different defensive team.

28:38

And that's going to be an

28:40

incredibly important part of the series. But to me, it's

28:42

just, I think that because the Thunder

28:44

have a star who's really

28:47

quiet, a rookie center in chat,

28:49

Jalen Williams, who a lot of people aren't familiar with

28:51

this game. And they're in Oklahoma City. And they're in

28:53

Oklahoma City. We don't realize that this team has, they

28:56

were the one seed. Yeah,

28:58

they played a Pelican team without Zion. They

29:00

just took care of business. Like

29:03

they might just be genuinely ahead of schedule and

29:05

roll this team. And I just think they're better

29:07

than the Mavs. I think they have a better

29:09

roster from top to bottom. Yeah. All right. Well,

29:11

you're alone as far as playing this room on

29:14

that one. And it's apparently in Vegas. Point toss

29:16

that thing. Okay, let's talk about

29:18

the fire hydrants. Oh my God. Okay,

29:21

are you ready to admit this? Are

29:23

you ready to admit that Jalen Brunson is an elite number

29:25

one option that we can make the next contender? I

29:28

think I have to admit it

29:30

reluctantly. So to be clear, I

29:33

have a bit of prejudice and

29:36

Charlie's doing a funny dance. I have a bit

29:38

of prejudice against square

29:41

bodies. And as

29:44

good as Jalen Brunson has been in the

29:46

last two seasons and the last two post-seasons

29:49

and particularly last several games, I've

29:51

been reluctant to consider him

29:53

on the tier with

29:56

other number one options.

29:58

Yeah. And

30:00

I don't know what else he got to do to prove it. I

30:03

mean, he's done it. He's done all the

30:05

things that he need to prove it. And

30:07

then I talked a bit about what Anthony

30:11

Edwards is doing through the

30:13

prism of what he has around him.

30:17

If you look at what Jalen

30:19

has around him and what he's

30:21

gone up against. He's their entire office. It's

30:23

like at least no

30:25

one disagrees with the idea

30:28

that Kat is an exceptional offensive

30:30

player. There's nobody else on

30:33

the Knicks that anyone would consider

30:35

exceptional offensively. I mean, maybe Randall,

30:37

but he's not playing. But

30:40

yeah, I mean, he could probably use Randall as

30:42

someone that you can give the ball to and

30:45

actually create his own offense. But I

30:48

don't know. I have a I got to be honest.

30:50

Like the I got to get

30:52

past my prejudice against

30:54

fire hydrants and accept that that

30:56

little square body is balling.

31:00

He's awesome. Yeah. The

31:02

team is so much fun with the chemistry at the

31:04

Villanova guys and they are fun. Yeah,

31:07

they're awesome. And like they're going

31:09

to play the pace. So your team goes really fast

31:12

and the Knicks are going to try and strangle them and

31:14

play some play defense. So now

31:16

everyone's offense looks incredible. So

31:19

I don't even care about that. I just care much more about

31:21

the Jaylen Brunson. You

31:23

told me that he was as good as all these other people. And

31:26

I was like, all right, whatever. But

31:28

he's done it a couple of times. And you're right. You

31:31

win. I'll concede. I'll

31:33

be honest. capable.

31:36

Conceding? No, conceding an argument that you've lost

31:38

at any point. You can't. Oh,

31:40

yeah. You never do. Not

31:42

with me. I'm conceding. Should I concede that I

31:44

don't concede? Yeah, you're right. I

31:46

can see it. I've never. Now

31:49

we're in a loop. So we'll

31:52

be more fun. Jaylen and

31:54

the Knicks getting

31:56

to the finals or Anthony

31:58

Edwards and. The wolves

32:00

getting to the finals. Oh my god That's

32:04

I mean wolves versus Nick's finals

32:06

be pretty damn exciting and fun I

32:09

think the wolves is more likely

32:11

than the Knicks because The

32:14

Celtics are a one

32:16

team conference essentially. Yeah, but The

32:19

Knicks is so much fun. I Think

32:22

the Knicks going to the finals to be pandemonium

32:26

Like Edwards has time if the Knicks made

32:28

this run to the finals to be his

32:30

like a craziest arc outlier I mean Brunson's

32:33

one of is the fourth player

32:35

in NBA playoff history at four straight

32:37

39 plus point games Brunson Jordan

32:41

Bernard King and Jerry West There's

32:43

too many people big compared to Jordan and

32:46

one podcast It's like the the the number

32:48

or the line is point five and we're

32:50

well over it with two Which

32:53

team here's the question which team do you think Durant's

32:55

more likely to want to go to the side? We

32:57

go. He just wanted the Knicks to the wall. Just

32:59

want to under rent I think no, I mean he's

33:01

more likely to go I guess giving his his given

33:03

his history He's more likely to go to the wolves

33:07

Right. It's team that knocked you out of playoffs you go.

33:09

They could win the if the Knicks got Kevin Durant They

33:11

could win the title Could

33:13

next year. Yeah possibly

33:18

That'd be fun though. I think it's interesting that you said uh Anthony

33:21

Edwards has more time. I

33:24

mean, I guess he still has he's only 22 Yeah

33:26

But it just made me think

33:28

that they could have gotten to go bear trade right

33:31

and wrong at the same time They

33:33

gave up a bunch of the assets

33:35

that they would use to build a

33:37

team around Anthony when he hits like

33:39

his prime 2627 years

33:41

old. They've given those assets up to bring

33:43

go bear in so I Don't

33:46

know the windows closing win right now. How does it go by

33:48

30 31 32? Man

33:54

I'm very upset about this is

33:57

that The Knicks no, I love

33:59

the Knicks. They're fun! I enjoy to press

34:01

conferences. I enjoy them on a court.

34:03

I enjoy the post game interviews with

34:05

their lunatic fans, but. I'm

34:07

upset that I have to concede that

34:10

this particular aberration. Is. Occurring

34:12

giving you the best way less in the

34:14

East francis. Our guys. Trying.

34:17

To draft again Her: oh that is the he's

34:20

going to piss off irony of it. Yes, Is

34:22

it a bass player? Nice. He's neither player.

34:25

I owe it. To. His If

34:27

I had my choice of players to

34:29

choose from a nice update on ebay,

34:31

I'd go: Jayson Tatum I know you're

34:33

gonna say something insulting about Jayson Tatum,

34:35

Know it's it's like him verse Tatum

34:37

and Mitchell and Halliburton and like tandems

34:40

and I'll be a guy. Also, there's

34:42

a lot more pipe experience than Branson

34:44

are playing is releasing conversation caliber and

34:46

healthy Albarn of different. Yeah. By

34:48

adding Halliburton be worth considering, but

34:50

I think Branson is probably. A

34:53

Main: is it a coin toss? Him and

34:56

spider. I guess I would take brunson just

34:58

because of like the intangible things I'm Deathly

35:00

thing Bronson ever ever done. Little to say

35:02

just even is vacuum as a player and

35:04

a good yes I am more of a

35:07

youthful player. When plants here is the tatum

35:09

want to think it's pretty interesting because. Yet.

35:11

Am cigarettes him to a finals. His

35:13

rosters have always been better. Now. Like.

35:15

A lot that considerably better him. Printers

35:18

black performers this event out of control

35:20

for the three times he's been in

35:22

the postseason. There I this were, probably

35:25

and for my. Nfl. Draft

35:27

behavior also, but I can't get

35:29

past the eye test my. and

35:31

i've the i'm josh out there and

35:34

bought a gallon bronson away or out

35:36

when jason times have been them i

35:38

gave off the air and of george

35:40

allen would hit our daily bread seen

35:42

on the way around for a touchdown

35:44

and i will be wrong twice but

35:46

i'm right now i'm right about both

35:48

as a great thing about conceding is

35:50

i don't have to be wrong anymore

35:52

i'm now right about josh allen and

35:54

i'm now also write about jail in

35:56

branson i can see the your i

35:58

had to stop a clue Oh,

36:00

the fire hydrant, man. All

36:02

right, that's it. That's it? That was fun.

36:04

That's great. Good times. Thanks, Charlie.

36:07

Thanks, Dominique. Appreciate you. Love you, Podville.

36:10

Shout out to all the great producers. Kevin

36:13

Bryant, Sarafina, Cortez,

36:15

Megan. Oh,

36:18

sorry, Cortez the coward. He is

36:20

a coward. I'll just throw that out there for you. Out of

36:22

respect. We out. This

36:25

is the Dominique Foxworth Show. Heh,

36:30

heh, heh, heh.