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This episode of the Doctor Gabrielle line

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show, I sit down with Jesse in

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Chaus Be. She's. A

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French, a Biochemist, and New York

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Times bestselling author. What I love

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about Jesse: Is that

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she truly is on a

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mission to translate cutting edge

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science into easy. Bite.

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Size hacks no pun

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intended for the masses,

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and that makes her

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an absolute where's she

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has. Two. Books The

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Glucose Revolution and the Glucose

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Goddess Method which. Sold.

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Over one million copies worldwide

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in forty different languages. She

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shares in this episode her

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discoveries about the a central

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role of blood sugar regulation.

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She is known for our

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hacks also how blood sugar

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can affect mood swings. We

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also discuss the order in

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which we should. Eat.

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Food and so much

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more. She is an

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insides feel welcome to the podcast. I see

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have yes I wore my muscle t for

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you to show off my guns cause I've

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been lifting weights three times a week so

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I felt like this is the perfect. Opportunity

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to show them I was

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absolutely agree and thank you.

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Thank. You: you're road though you are

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a French. Biochemists: Incredible.

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New York Times bestselling author. You

5:20

have been on a mission to

5:22

translate. Blood sugar. Science.

5:25

Glucose. Regulation to the

5:28

public and bad way that is

5:30

not an easy task to take

5:32

science and make it understandable to

5:34

general population. True

5:37

True It is my passion and it's been great

5:39

to be able to make it through out of

5:42

it's. Book. First of all, how

5:44

did you become the Glucose goddess? I mean

5:46

could have been the protein.is it could have

5:48

been the fatty acid got is that you

5:50

chose the glucose. Gotta. Your

5:53

voice if you're more like it shows me.

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So I started my house or any. When

5:57

I was a teenager I had an exit.

6:00

When I was nineteen years old and I broke

6:02

my back, something of a waterfall. And.

6:04

That. Troubles. Me into

6:06

a world of sizakele pain, mental health

6:09

issues, my body so broken my brain

6:11

didn't feel like mine anymore. I was

6:13

thrown into the deep end of health

6:15

struggles and it's at that point that

6:18

I realized that the young age that

6:20

if you don't have your health you

6:22

really don't have that much and so

6:24

I was forest in a way to

6:26

go on this journey to try to

6:29

get my health back to try to

6:31

understand my body my brain a how

6:33

to have six myself and that brought.

6:35

Me to want to study

6:37

biochemistry in grad school, study

6:39

in Silicon Valley, and work

6:41

in genetics and nothing really

6:43

helps me. Until I

6:46

discovered the Saboteurs land. Of

6:48

Glucose else. Am. I had

6:50

the opportunity to where have you goes monitor him

6:52

as part of a research study when. I was

6:54

in Silicon Valley. Very random mean I will

6:57

have diabetes. No way my family has diabetes

6:59

agents and you would really bring that much

7:01

to my life but I was curious about

7:03

it. Turns out that accompanies change. The

7:06

game for me. It showed me

7:08

that the days during which Mexico

7:10

sons were steady. Moments of

7:12

health was good and the days

7:14

where. Magical levels were going. Spikes

7:17

job spikes drop spike drop. All

7:19

those symptoms, all those mental health issues

7:21

I had been struggling ice will they

7:23

would swear up and get worse and

7:25

so to me give Well I. Suddenly.

7:28

This is the first crew that

7:31

I had finally gotten. To try

7:33

to fix my mental health and

7:35

my body. My brain. And

7:37

so became says since better topic, I've

7:39

found that I wasn't alone, that up

7:42

to eighty percent of the population who

7:44

does not have diabetes can still experience

7:46

is because spikes and a daily basis

7:48

and that they can lead to loss

7:51

of stuff from cravings to fatigue to

7:53

hormonal imbalances. too long term diabetes and

7:55

it's I went on a quest to

7:57

learn how to study Mangos levels. The

8:00

way that was not too cumbersome and that

8:02

helps me heal myself. And then I wanted

8:04

to. Share it with the world and that's how

8:07

them to goes. Got his account started and. How

8:09

this whole journey of us teasing people are

8:11

signs of blood. Sugar and started and.

8:13

It was totally unexpected. For.

8:15

You? Yes, Yes! Yes, Absence

8:18

when you were dealing with challenges of

8:20

blood sugar regulation. What were some of the

8:22

mood? Swings. That you were feeling

8:24

or if they were swings or if it was anxiety.

8:27

What? Kind of. Internal feelings are

8:29

you having. For

8:31

me it was more depression, anxiety

8:33

panic attacks I had started after

8:36

my accident and that got worse

8:38

and her and you sort of

8:40

syrups once in awhile else exchanged

8:42

what's called the personalization which is

8:44

honestly feel like information of the

8:46

brain and I didn't really understand

8:49

why. some days my mental health

8:51

was better or worse than others

8:53

and it's when I figured out

8:55

there was. A Glucose connection that

8:57

I found one of the first

9:00

variables that could explain. Why?

9:02

Some days I'm into health with verse

9:04

So yeah, it was mostly anxiety, depression,

9:06

and. Is very strange. Depersonalize A since

9:08

since I'm have you heard of. I.

9:11

Have a gambling know. We

9:13

we actually settle on and our clinic when

9:15

individuals are exposed to mold. When.

9:17

They have and by really nonsense? Yes

9:20

ma'am. Age. Depends on where their

9:22

location as we we certainly see. It. So

9:24

let's start with the foundation. The.

9:26

Foundational question I'm sure everybody

9:29

ask you. Is what

9:31

is Glucose? Why is an important.

9:33

And how is it. Or. Can

9:35

be harmful to people. So

9:38

Glucose is your body's. For.

9:40

Third source of energy. Okay, so

9:42

every single cell. In your

9:45

body. From your brain cells

9:47

to your muscle cells to

9:49

your. Liver cells. Use

9:51

Glucose for energy and. As

9:53

human beings the main way that

9:56

we provide this very important modules

9:58

your body is by. Eating

10:00

shirts specifically by eating two

10:02

types of foods so starches

10:05

and sugars. Yes, protein can

10:07

also need some logos, but

10:10

generally for most. Of the population

10:12

they get to the. Some starches and

10:14

sugars and. Some. Glucose

10:16

a sign, right? No problem. It's like when

10:18

you have a plan to home and you

10:20

know it's the plant needs some water to

10:23

lives, but if you give the pets too

10:25

much water than it drowns. While the human

10:27

body is similar in the sense that some.

10:29

With ghosts. Totally. Perfectly

10:31

Okay, too much to ghosts and

10:33

problems starts happening. and specifically when

10:36

during a meal you eat too

10:38

many of the starches and sugars,

10:40

your body will experience what's called

10:42

a glucose stake. So simply put,

10:45

it just means a rapid increase

10:47

in homeless for those is in

10:49

your bloodstream and in your body.

10:52

And these spikes are really what

10:54

I focused my research on. These

10:56

spikes lead to a few consequences.

10:59

dated symphonies and they. Lead to

11:01

play case and and the lead to

11:03

insulin release so the object is for

11:05

us to feel better is to try

11:08

to keep these spikes A. More under

11:10

control and steady our blood sugar. Levels

11:12

And there's so many really cool hacks and

11:14

techniques we can use. A lot of them

11:16

involve. Using her muscles which of course you

11:19

are have totaled pro. At But they're simple

11:21

thing we can do and I have

11:23

a fundamental impact on the house of

11:25

our body and our brains short term

11:27

today, how we feel and also long

11:29

term And that's really the message I'm

11:31

gonna bring to people is that is

11:34

easy and it's going to help you

11:36

today and in the future and I

11:38

think that there isn't There's just some

11:40

real benefit to understanding what foods and

11:42

how much that can cause at this

11:44

spike in Glucose. And of course. When.

11:47

We think about a glucose by

11:49

the body has a normal natural.

11:51

Response to foods typically.

11:54

It. Least in my clinic and I think. In the

11:56

literature, individuals you do not want to go above

11:58

one hundred and forty. Milligrams per dozen. Leader.

12:01

However, Up in to that

12:03

point is somewhat normal. My

12:07

question would be how is.

12:09

Like Lucas measured and at what point

12:11

do so it it becomes harmful. Almost

12:16

as us only get our glucose levels

12:18

measured was a year we get our

12:20

fasting glucose. Levels measured and a traditional

12:23

doctor will say oh, it's you're

12:25

fasting Glucose is underneath a hundred

12:27

milligrams per deciliter. You don't have

12:29

free time easier. Perfectly healthy. Soon

12:31

Next year if you're fasting, Glucose

12:33

comes back somewhere between a hundred

12:35

and hundred and twenty six. The

12:37

doctor will say oh whoa, You

12:39

have pre diabetes Amazing. Above one

12:41

hundred and twenty six will be

12:43

diagnosed as had two Diabetes Snow.

12:45

The problem is once you get

12:47

to them free Diabetes diagnosis. your

12:49

glucose levels have. Been. Rising from many,

12:51

many, many many years. And so even

12:53

if you don't yet have predicted is or

12:55

it's up to David is it's super important

12:58

to look a of the customs and next

13:00

or if they don't creep anywhere near that

13:02

hundred mark so it's you a question of

13:04

when does it become harmful I mean so

13:07

clinically we can say becomes harmful The procedure

13:09

to be diabetes but on your point about

13:11

the glucose steaks. Yes,

13:14

We should avoid increasing undergo

13:17

sandals post. One hundred

13:19

and forty after a meal rights. But

13:21

there are even studies that say that

13:23

any increase as the eating of more

13:25

than thirty milligrams per deciliter so adults

13:27

are an increase of more than thirty

13:29

milligrams per deciliter to be avoided and

13:31

healthy individuals. So if you're fasting glucose

13:33

level as ninety, you should avoid going

13:35

above one twenty after eating. And this

13:37

is debatable, of course, right? And I

13:39

don't focus so much on the absolute

13:42

numbers and focus more on helping people.

13:44

Reduce. And sat in their spikes. Regardless,

13:47

Of the heights of the spike, weathered abscess,

13:49

thirty or plus sixty after meal, we can

13:52

all benefit from reducing that. So.

13:54

In conclusion, If you have for

13:56

diabetes or type two diabetes you need to set

13:58

and years ago spikes to. Those conditions into

14:00

remission and it's you don't have two

14:03

diabetes yet. You also need to look

14:05

at you to go spikes to present

14:07

the onset of free diabetes and also

14:09

to help you not girl the symptoms

14:11

from them to go spikes in the

14:14

first place, which can be as simple

14:16

as chronic fatigue, as cravings, as poor

14:18

sleep, as hormonal disruptions, etc. so anybody

14:20

benefits from earning about this topic. I

14:22

do think that there a lot of

14:25

benefit from learning about it, and you

14:27

know it's interesting when you think about

14:29

blood sugar regulation. One thing and I'm

14:31

curious as if you see this said, you

14:33

always. Were a continuous glucose monitor. Know.

14:36

You know I did for the first two

14:39

years nonstop and niger once every six months

14:41

cause I know everything Now I can I

14:43

can intuit everything that's going amazing it it

14:45

really is amazing and I will say for

14:47

people that are just exploring putting a continuous

14:49

glucose monitor on one thing that we see

14:51

and I was it's as if you saw

14:54

this individuals on a higher. Protein diet

14:56

will maintain higher. Levels of

14:58

blood sugar roughly anywhere from

15:00

maybe not even and nineties.

15:03

And. It's through goofing in Genesis. Let's

15:05

see their carbohydrates. Are controlled. Their

15:08

body becomes very good at

15:10

making glucose. And much

15:12

less reliant on external.

15:15

Carbohydrates, Like skittles or whatever.

15:18

And. You can

15:20

prove this to yourself by.

15:22

Putting. A continuous glucose monitor on and I

15:24

think estimates are really your point is you

15:27

have to understand your own body. There is

15:29

certain variability for everybody. I.

15:31

Request name. Did. You notice

15:33

that when you went above. A

15:35

certain amount of carbohydrates that you got

15:37

a robust response regardless of the suit

15:40

type or was very dependent on the

15:42

fu type and the fiber content. You

15:46

know, I never measured. Grams of

15:48

Carbs That says, in my brain doesn't work that

15:50

way. I'm a much more of an abstract person

15:52

when it comes to suit. I'm like, oh, you

15:54

know, forty percent of my meal as protein and

15:57

twenty percent of as. Fiber and the rest is

15:59

carved so it's. Couldn't I could not tell

16:01

you the amount of carbs but very clearly

16:03

you know the breakfast at I used to

16:05

each which was in the tell a great

16:07

in orange that sounds good. You are unsure.

16:09

Sounds good race. My husband about as

16:12

league but he written in a house

16:14

here honey. I

16:16

mean I was raised on that right? And

16:18

then at eleven in the mornings I saw

16:20

awful hungry, exhausted badges thought that was normal.

16:23

So to me what I like to teach

16:25

people is just to be able to get

16:27

sued detectors and to be able to discern

16:29

what kind of macro nutrient is in front

16:31

of them before they get into counting the

16:34

number of grams. For example, I want everybody

16:36

to know that when they look at bread

16:38

will that starts or when they look get

16:40

sick and of protein mundane. the get the

16:42

vegetable. that's gonna. Be cyber, you know,

16:45

a I mean and and it's kind

16:47

of a sweeping. Analysis of the sitcom

16:49

position that I think it's so important to

16:51

be able to do that and most people

16:53

don't have that skill yet. So if you're

16:55

just eating starts. As a sugars and

16:57

servers or anything that tastes sweet

16:59

from me a banana so chocolate

17:01

cake essentially and starches being bred

17:04

rise. Pasta, potatoes, etc as those are

17:06

the things a little for because those

17:08

things that turn to Glucose when he

17:10

died just them. So any signee have

17:12

a meal that is most he just

17:14

starts. And sugar, you can be pretty

17:17

sure you're gonna get a massive Vegas

17:19

bike and that's that's the first place

17:21

to start. Really? Yeah. And you know

17:23

it's It's really interesting from what

17:25

we teach people anything above. First,

17:27

all number one people do not

17:30

typically count Mack nutrients. It is

17:32

very challenge. I'm just in general,

17:34

it seems as if people are

17:36

very busy, but anything above fifty

17:38

grams of carbohydrates seems to have

17:40

a much more robust insulin Spike

17:42

said, the a blood glucose right

17:44

is an insulin increases and you

17:46

potentially can get a substitute for

17:48

a subsequent drop in blood sugar,

17:50

which makes you all the things.

17:52

That Jesse was discussing. Whether

17:54

it's irritable, tired, mood swings,

17:57

fatigue really important. Do

18:00

you think that there are

18:02

actionable things that individuals

18:04

can do to manage the glucose

18:08

spike? What you call these

18:10

hacks that are important to them? Yeah, that was

18:12

a candid question. I was like, of course. So

18:14

for those listening, I have a great team

18:16

that helps me. And we go through

18:19

all the content of the individual that

18:21

we invite on the show. And

18:24

we send them a list of questions prior. And

18:27

we send them some studies, et cetera. So

18:31

yes, many hacks. And

18:33

I'm really all about action.

18:35

And there's theory. And we can talk about disease

18:38

states all night long. But I want to help

18:40

people actually get started. That's my passion. It's

18:42

behavior change. So in my book,

18:44

my first book, Glucose Revolution, there are 10

18:47

hacks. But I want to cover maybe

18:49

the four most important ones here today,

18:51

at least these four. Because if you

18:53

apply these four hacks, you

18:56

will significantly reduce your blood

18:58

sugar swings, your glucose spikes, and start

19:00

with the benefits immediately. So

19:02

the first most important hack to

19:05

avoid glucose spikes is all about

19:07

breakfast. And it can be

19:09

breakfast at 9 AM. It can be breakfast at 4 PM. You

19:12

can fast for as long or as little

19:14

as you want. But the first meal of

19:16

your day should always be savory. Never

19:18

sweet. Most of us

19:21

have a sweet first meal of the day.

19:23

Like I mentioned, the Nutella crepes and orange

19:25

juice. Or it can be the breakfast cereal

19:27

or the toast and the jam, et cetera.

19:30

When you have something sweet in the morning,

19:32

that leads to a massive glucose spike and

19:34

then a crash. And then your whole

19:36

day ends up being this glucose rollercoaster,

19:38

where you feel exhausted, cranky, moody,

19:40

and you have cravings for sugar.

19:43

And then it's 11 PM, and

19:45

you've eaten five pots of ice cream. We

19:47

all know how those days go. Because

19:50

your breakfast determines your glucose levels

19:52

for the rest of the day.

19:54

So have a savory breakfast first

19:56

thing in the morning. And what would be

19:59

some example? Dessie, your favorite

20:01

savory breakfast? So

20:03

savory breakfast is always built around

20:05

protein. So my favorite savory breakfast

20:08

would be an omelet with feta

20:10

and tomatoes, maybe like some tuna

20:12

hummus avocado situation. And my favorite

20:15

savory breakfast is actually leftovers, some

20:17

dinner. Super easy, warm

20:20

them up in a pan, crack some eggs in

20:22

there, throw some parmesan on top, and you're good,

20:24

right? We should be treating breakfast like

20:26

we treat our other meals. The concept

20:29

that breakfast food should be dessert is

20:31

an invention of the food industry. We

20:33

don't need that. It's only harming us.

20:35

So savory first meal of the day,

20:37

built around lots of protein. That's going

20:39

to keep your glucose levels nice and

20:41

steady. Do you ever think about resistant

20:43

starch when you're having the breakfast? Can

20:46

you mention about that as a strategy? Absolutely.

20:50

You can have resistant starch, you can have,

20:52

you can even add, you know, some vegetables

20:54

in there to just get the fiber. And

20:56

if you want to have a simple piece

20:58

of bread, for example, or some potatoes, which

21:00

is just regular starch, you can, but it

21:02

should be there for taste, right? It should

21:04

never be the center of your breakfast. It

21:06

should be there for pleasure, for taste, but

21:09

not as the main character. And

21:12

something cool about resistant starch while we're on the

21:14

topic, there's some really cool studies

21:16

that show that when you heat

21:18

starch up and then you cool

21:21

it down overnight during the

21:23

fridge, some of the starch in the food,

21:25

let's say in some pasta, will turn into

21:27

resistant starch. So you're essentially lowering the glucose

21:29

impact of the starch by heating it up

21:31

and cooling it down and then eating it

21:34

later on. That's so amazing. And do you

21:36

see that? Do you see that in your

21:38

own body? Yeah,

21:40

absolutely. Absolutely. And so

21:42

what I do is I find these

21:45

studies are really interesting. And then I

21:47

test them on my own glucose levels

21:49

to produce sort of an illustration of

21:51

those scientific studies so that

21:53

people can get the message from the studies

21:55

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21:57

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22:03

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22:05

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22:07

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acts like cyber see. You can end up with

25:18

some pasta that has way more fiber than it

25:20

originally he would have. A she had just isn't

25:22

it straight? their that as like a little side

25:25

quests, right? We don't have to do that for

25:27

every single. Started that reads. As

25:29

a that was the first unsavory

25:31

breakfast, the second on which is

25:33

very important has to do with

25:35

vegetables. So. When. We

25:38

eat vegetables at the beginning of

25:40

a meal. In this is see

25:42

at the beginning of a meal

25:44

the cyber in the vegetables has

25:46

time to go and coats the

25:49

walls of our upper intestine feeding

25:51

and protective mess in our of

25:53

her intestines that stays in place

25:55

for a few hours and dismiss

25:57

helps reduce so quickly. Glucose knowledge.

26:00

From the rest of the meal are going to

26:02

make their. Way into your bloodstream so

26:04

you're slowing. Down the arrival of

26:06

because molecules into your blood by

26:09

having what I call a veggie.

26:11

Starter. So before lunch or be

26:13

for dinner starts your meal is

26:15

a plate of vegetables. It can

26:17

be anything from roasted broccoli, With

26:20

to he needs you some raw

26:22

carrots, salads or whatever you want.

26:24

A veggie starter. Take advantage

26:26

of thus fiber in your veggies to reduce

26:29

the spank of the rest of the meal

26:31

And after the veggie started each whatever you

26:33

want rights it is. add the state and

26:35

it's interesting because in so many cultures we

26:38

see this as a habit. So in France

26:40

I'm from we have this concept of quantity

26:42

which kind of like an old school thing

26:44

our grandparents used to do which is rough

26:47

edges of the beginning of a meal. In

26:49

Italy antipasti is using he built around festivals

26:51

so we've known for a long time to

26:53

these habits make a lot of sense and

26:56

only recently. Do we have the science and

26:58

the details evidence to back at All of

27:00

it's really cool. I actually I hadn't thought

27:02

about that. That's that's that's absolutely wrecked. Does

27:04

it matter what kind of fiber? Whether it's

27:07

soluble, insoluble, Do you care or due to

27:09

say listen friends. I

27:12

don't care and. Indices This is my for the

27:14

officer and like any veggies to sign that is

27:16

that you want even if is is solid that

27:18

actually doesn't have that much fiber in it. But

27:20

even if you just want a little bit of

27:22

salad or if you want to go you know

27:24

the full nine yards and make a beautiful roasted.

27:26

This have lots of different. Veggies go for

27:28

the veggies as the most important part.

27:31

And so the first pack is

27:33

eat a savory practice at protein.

27:36

The second park is to pregame

27:38

your meal with. Fiber.

27:41

Was. A third actually? Okay,

27:43

the student has to do with vinegar. And.

27:47

Has been most of my time reading scientific

27:49

studies. And when I first came across a

27:51

scientific studies on vinegar and glucose levels, I

27:53

almost fell off my well. my glad when

27:56

I. Actually got to be. That

27:58

is about. Four or five years ago. And

28:01

I really couldn't believe it.

28:03

And so it turns out

28:05

that vinegar contains a molecule

28:07

called acetic acid and when

28:09

we have a tablespoon of

28:11

vinegar in some water before

28:13

eating parts this can reduce

28:15

the Glucose bike of our

28:17

carbs by up to search

28:19

he presents just by adding

28:21

this vinegar drink before eating

28:23

them. And the reason for

28:26

this is because acetic acid

28:28

slows down the enzymes in

28:30

charge. Of breaking down carbs engine to

28:32

goes molecules. So this you kick ass

28:34

and slows down how quickly the greek

28:36

Us in the carbs arrives in your

28:38

bloodstream. Once again it's all about velocity

28:41

right? and slowing down that ditto citizens

28:43

bike so high and again gamete like

28:45

everybody has vinegar in the kitchen. It

28:47

is an ingredient it's been. Around

28:49

for centuries. And in the

28:51

Middle East in Iran, for example, they

28:54

have apple cider vinegar every single day.

28:56

It's known to be a whole thing,

28:58

regents, but only recently. Have we started

29:00

to uncover what's really going. On on a

29:02

chemical level. So these are not rocket science.

29:04

The kind of common sense that actually we

29:07

need to bring them back as be lost

29:09

touch with all of them. That. That

29:12

advice. Is really valuable

29:14

in terms of what do we know

29:16

from a foundational perspective on what of

29:18

people always done and what have we

29:21

gotten away from. I pull the A

29:23

Met analysis here and mrs the effects

29:25

of Apple Cider Vinegar on the fit

29:27

profiles and I see me parameters of

29:30

systematic review and meta analysis of randomized

29:32

clinical trials. Have a link it here

29:34

for you guys and the conclusion was

29:37

that he found a significant favorable effect

29:39

of apple cider vinegar consumption on fasting

29:41

plasma glucose and blood lipid. Levels.

29:44

Absolutely. And what's also clubs

29:47

and. It. Doesn't matter,

29:49

Whether it's apple cider vinegar or any of

29:52

it's had to vinegar because. They all

29:54

contain acetic acid. Sake, Apple Cider vinegar. As

29:56

for the trend, you one, that's it. can

29:58

be white wine vinegar. It can be cherry

30:00

vinegar, it can be rice vinegar. They all

30:02

contain this acetic acid molecule. You

30:05

do want to avoid, though, the very

30:07

syrupy balsamic glaze, the stuff that pours

30:10

really slowly out of the bottle because

30:12

that's full of sugar, so that's not going to help at

30:14

all. And how

30:16

does exercise play a role in

30:18

all this? Ooh, I'm

30:21

excited to talk about this with you. Well, this is the

30:23

fourth hack. The fourth most

30:25

important hack is to recruit

30:27

our muscles in

30:29

our fight against glucose spikes. So

30:32

the advice that I give people is after

30:34

eating, move your body for

30:36

10 minutes, okay? Because as I mentioned

30:38

at the beginning of this episode, every

30:40

single cell in your body uses glucose

30:42

for energy, and your muscle cells also

30:44

use glucose for energy. And so we

30:46

can use this to our advantage. If

30:49

we contract our muscles after eating, some

30:52

of the glucose from the meal will be

30:54

used by our muscles instead

30:57

of hanging around and creating a big

30:59

glucose spike. So even just 10 minutes

31:02

of walking, even just cleaning your

31:04

apartment, walking your dog, doing

31:06

the dishes, you can go to the gym as

31:08

well, but any kind of movement within 90 minutes

31:10

after the end of a meal is going to

31:12

significantly reduce the glucose spike of that meal. Now,

31:16

of course, the other piece to look at is how

31:18

much muscle mass do you have in the first days?

31:21

Because the more muscle mass you have in

31:23

your body, the more you're going to have

31:25

these incredible storage units to store any excess

31:28

glucose. And you're the pro at this, so

31:30

I will let you take the

31:32

mic. Well,

31:34

yes, glucose is

31:36

the site for skeletal

31:38

muscles, the site for glucose disposal. And

31:41

what's so amazing is it doesn't require

31:43

insulin. When

31:45

you have exercising skeletal muscle, the

31:48

body will pull the glucose that

31:50

is in the

31:52

bloodstream out of the bloodstream and

31:54

move it to skeletal muscle. So I think the

31:56

fourth hack is my favorite. I think that that

31:58

fourth hack should be Hack number

32:00

one. And I

32:03

will also mention that when you engage

32:05

in physical activity, so what

32:07

Jessie is talking about is she's

32:10

very specifically speaking about post

32:13

feeding glucose response. When

32:17

you exercise and or when

32:19

you are stressed, you will see increases in blood

32:21

glucose. That is not from my understanding,

32:23

Jessie, that is not what you were talking about.

32:25

You are purely talking about when

32:27

you eat something, what happens? Yes,

32:31

correct. Correct, correct. So I'm

32:33

talking about using our muscles and

32:36

movement as a way to dispose

32:38

of glucose after eating so that

32:40

you reduce the glucose spike of the meal

32:42

that you just had. So that you eat

32:44

the meal that you like with fewer consequences

32:46

on your health by recruiting your muscles to

32:49

dispose of some of that excess

32:51

glucose. Do you have thoughts over time if this ends

32:53

up being meaningful

32:55

outcomes? For example, let's say someone like

32:57

myself, I'm tiny, maybe my blood sugar

32:59

never goes up past 140. Do

33:02

you think that there is benefit to measuring

33:06

it, watching it? I

33:11

don't recommend everybody where the glucose

33:13

monitor if that's the question you're

33:15

asking. I used to. I used

33:17

to think everybody should wear one and it was

33:20

going to be life changing. I realized over the

33:22

years by getting a lot of feedback from my

33:24

readers that for some people having a glucose monitor

33:26

and seeing those numbers all day can be quite

33:28

stressful. Also, if you don't

33:30

have the education, it can be very

33:33

confusing to interpret. Seriously, even I sometimes

33:35

have no idea why this pattern is

33:37

happening. So I would recommend

33:39

people actually try to check in with

33:41

themselves, think about their cravings,

33:43

their energy levels, their

33:46

hormonal health, their sleep, how they

33:48

feel their skin as

33:50

a way to assess how

33:52

their glucose is doing within. But

33:55

if you're listening to this and you feel really drawn to

33:58

try a glucose monitor, go for it. Be

34:00

aware that you need as much information

34:02

as possible. For example, my first book,

34:05

which is, it's not a plug. Seriously, it's just a

34:07

really good... Well, we'll put it in the show notes.

34:10

...Gucose Bible. Yeah, Gucose Bible to have if

34:12

you want to go down this route. But I think

34:14

a lot of people can get the benefits of these

34:16

hacks without wearing a glucose monitor. Is there anything... So

34:18

do we have any more hacks? So that

34:20

was four. Well, we have tons of hacks, but those

34:23

are the four most important ones that I really want

34:25

people to take away. You can find the other ones

34:27

in my book. But savory

34:29

breakfast, veggie starter, vinegar,

34:32

moving after eating, that's the pillar. If

34:34

you do that for four weeks, you

34:37

will get significant benefits. Has

34:39

there been anything that is surprising that

34:41

has come out in the literature as

34:43

you're reading? Yeah. Tell

34:46

me. A lot of really interesting,

34:48

surprising stuff. The most recent

34:50

study that really blew my mind is

34:53

the effect of grounding on your

34:55

glucose levels. So grounding being the

34:57

act of either putting your feet

35:00

against the Earth, right,

35:02

or in some grass or

35:04

something. So essentially connecting

35:06

your electrical voltage with the

35:08

voltage of the Earth. And

35:11

as this happens, inflammation goes

35:13

down, you sort of... It equilibrates

35:15

your voltage and your body, electrons

35:18

get put into the Earth. And the

35:20

researchers also found that this significantly lowers

35:22

your glucose levels. They don't really

35:24

know why. They don't know cortisol. Yes,

35:27

it decreases cortisol. Yes, and inflammation

35:29

in the body. So it's probably all connected.

35:32

But again, this just

35:34

tells me, wow, we all wear these

35:36

shoes that completely insulate us from the

35:38

Earth. We're just walking on concrete all

35:40

day. If

35:42

we just went back a little bit and

35:45

walked on the bare Earth a

35:47

bit more, our glucose levels would

35:49

benefit. So again, it's coming back to these

35:51

very common sense things. But I thought it was amazing

35:53

to see a study on it. I'll send it to

35:55

you. Anything

35:58

else? Anything else that just surprised me? If

36:00

you and check your me not is

36:02

pretty surprising said the environment where play

36:04

a role like that. yeah another cool

36:07

study I mean there's so much stuff

36:09

I will mention one that I love

36:11

which has to do with married couples

36:14

so these incredible. Researchers: Very brave

36:16

researchers. Recruited a bunch of

36:18

married couples. I think about a

36:21

hundred married couples and they gave. Each

36:23

person in the couple a

36:26

voodoo doll representing their spouse.

36:29

And. The researchers asked

36:31

participants. To put a pin.

36:34

In. The Voodoo Doll. every time

36:36

their partner irritated them. And

36:39

is for six weeks. Okay then

36:42

the researchers got rid of back

36:44

and measured the partisans glucose levels.

36:46

Now would they found is that

36:49

the people who had the most

36:51

glucose knows? Okay so essentially. More

36:54

variable glucose levels with more

36:56

hypos. Had put more

36:58

pins in deluded all representing.

37:01

Their status. So. The

37:03

researchers concluded that your view

37:05

festivals could maybe have things

37:07

to how you so what

37:09

the in relationships. How

37:11

irritated you are they those around

37:14

you and to need. This is

37:16

so. Important because it's telling us

37:18

that the way we eat can

37:20

change who we are as a

37:22

person. it's and change almost or

37:24

personality right? So if you're having

37:27

marital troubles or even just feeling

37:29

difficult emotions may be looking at.

37:31

how you're eating could help you

37:33

get some place for you, feel

37:35

more balanced and at peace. And

37:38

for me that study I just.

37:40

Have. Him big choose the researcher

37:42

as think it's such a funny

37:44

study rights oh it's it's amazing

37:46

everything mother comparing. At voted

37:48

off on a how many pins as you

37:51

put in their do you think that the

37:53

environment So for example this this group that

37:55

had this new dolls are gonna come I

37:57

had them and it can be full of

37:59

penzance. You can you be. A whole

38:01

thing. You think that the interpersonal

38:04

dynamics also can affect blood. Sugar

38:06

in which that would then change the

38:08

way that we may be. Some people

38:10

have a higher glucose tolerance than others,

38:12

maybe some people that appear metabolic. Li

38:14

healthy don't need as many carbs just

38:16

because of the high stress environment have you

38:19

if you thought about that obscurity? Yes,

38:21

I think it's interesting answer looking at

38:23

it the other way around. So the

38:25

biggest glucose like I ever saw and

38:27

myself was from stress A given big presentation.

38:29

Five years ago I was terrified and

38:31

the knights in front of a bunch

38:33

of hundreds of people and then I

38:35

look I'm going to go symbols and

38:37

I have spiked to one. Ninety. Just

38:40

from giving a presentation. In front

38:42

of people just from stress. And

38:44

so if we follow that logic big

38:47

the goes facts in distress than big

38:49

to those drop consequences. Crankiness.

38:51

Moodiness, cravings, etc. I hadn't eaten

38:53

anything for just my environments. The

38:55

fact that I was in a

38:57

stressful situations impacted my glucose and

38:59

my behavior Memphis now and for

39:01

the rest of the day, many

39:03

more likely to seek out sweet

39:05

foods that would. Then keep me on

39:07

him to go throw the cluster. So for

39:10

sure you can imagine that somebody who lives

39:12

in a more stressful environment will have bigger

39:14

glucose, sex and drugs due. To that

39:16

environment and then that would only

39:18

be exacerbated and get worse because

39:20

that then leads to you still

39:22

haven't Behaviors that are just gonna

39:24

make it a vicious cycle and

39:27

worse and worse and worse. So

39:29

it's a very multifaceted, a complicated,

39:31

Convoluted relations have. You heard

39:33

of this something called the Glucose types?

39:36

Patterns. Little kids his age

39:38

talking about the Stanford settings you go types

39:40

reveal new patterns of and. Goes to say

39:42

exactly right and diaz and eating less.

39:46

Exactly this is is. This is a

39:48

very important said if that is the

39:50

study that showed us that up to

39:52

eighty percent of people who do not

39:54

have diabetes can still have spikes into

39:56

the pre diabetic. Are diabetic

39:58

range from. foods like breakfast

40:01

cereal. That was

40:03

a study that changed the game. That was

40:05

one of the first studies using Dukos monitors

40:07

on that population and sort of ringing

40:09

the alarm bell saying, hey, everybody, turns

40:11

out even if you are

40:13

metabolically, quote unquote, healthy and you don't have food,

40:15

diabetes, you can still have these big spikes that

40:18

have an impact on your health. Yeah,

40:20

it's really well laid out. It

40:22

shows low variability, moderate variability and

40:25

severe variability with individuals that again,

40:27

as Jesse, you're saying,

40:29

are not necessarily

40:31

diabetic and then these

40:35

glucotypes were associated by

40:37

these variability patterns. Yes.

40:40

What are your thoughts on the gut microbiome? Where

40:42

do you think that that plays a role in

40:44

blood sugar regulation or is it still too early

40:46

to tell? You

40:49

know, I'm not an expert on the

40:51

microbiome, but what's very clear is

40:53

that, you know, your microbiome is what processes

40:57

your food and we know

40:59

that a healthy microbiome keeps your glucose

41:01

levels more steady and an unhealthy microbiome

41:03

leads to more glucose spikes. So

41:06

it's all connected. It's all connected. You would

41:08

have to get a gut expert on here to

41:11

discuss that, but if you eat in

41:13

a way that is going to cause glucose

41:15

spikes, you're also eating in a way that is going to

41:17

make your microbiome unhealthy. So going

41:19

to promote the growth of, you know, quote

41:22

unquote, bad bacteria. And that ends up being

41:24

a vicious cycle because then for the same

41:26

foods, you will get a bigger glucose spike

41:28

because your microbiome is less healthy. So

41:31

interesting. Isn't that interesting? And that is

41:33

really this personalized medicine. And what Jesse

41:35

is saying is that we

41:38

could eat, you know, my producer over here,

41:40

Matt, who's sitting over my left shoulder, he

41:42

could eat, I don't know,

41:44

we were filming something on Don't Cringe Jesse rice,

41:46

crispy treats. He could eat rice. They

41:49

actually are protein rice, rice, crispy

41:51

treats, but he could

41:53

eat that and his blood sugar

41:55

could go to 150 maybe

41:57

probably not. He's pretty fit. And

41:59

mine. The could the exact same

42:01

thing that same meal? Maybe Pretend.

42:04

Where the digital twenty be each other

42:06

and mine could only go to one

42:09

ten and made or one twenty? Maybe

42:11

it's because as. I. Mean as

42:13

many different reasons as to why that would

42:15

be, but gut microbiome I think does play

42:18

a bigger role than we have yet to

42:20

recognize. It. Should be

42:22

gut microbiome. it could be insulin release.

42:25

right? So glucose is really not a

42:27

very comfy picture. It could also be

42:29

a situation status so when you're more

42:31

dehydrated have begun to go fix it

42:33

can be muscle mass. It can be

42:35

time ever menstrual cycle it to be

42:37

stress exum beach as a tired your

42:40

i mean that deserve bulls are endless

42:42

That and that's why it's so difficult

42:44

to compare to do this to people's

42:46

glucose bags and. Drawing some Susan's we can.

42:48

Really say much because it depends on so

42:50

much stuff Though we can say is that

42:52

is both you and. Your producer had used

42:54

one of my has before eating the

42:56

rice crispy treat. Both of your

42:59

specs would have been personally smaller

43:01

and that's the key rights because

43:03

those hacks work in everybody regardless

43:06

of how high your actually spiking.

43:08

Acetic. Acid will work for an individual

43:10

no matter what. Yeah.

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They know much better than we

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44:48

of the most common misconceptions people have

44:51

with managing blood sugar that you've seen? A lot

44:56

of people think that in order to keep their glucose

44:58

level steady, they have to go keto and never

45:01

eat carbs ever again. And

45:03

that's the only solution. It

45:05

really isn't. You can still eat

45:08

starches and sugars in a way

45:10

that leads to a smaller glucose

45:13

spike. So let me give you an example with another

45:15

hack. So this

45:17

study found that if

45:19

you eat the constituents of a meal

45:21

in a specific order, you

45:23

can reduce the glucose spike of that meal

45:26

by up to 75%. A lot. Meaning,

45:28

yes, meaning you can eat the exact

45:31

same meal, same quantity, same foods. Just

45:33

by switching the order, you get a

45:35

smaller spike. And you guessed it, the

45:37

best thing to eat first is the vegetables, as

45:39

I mentioned earlier, because you take advantage of the

45:41

fiber. And then when you put the starches and

45:43

sugars at the end of the meal, you

45:46

get a much smaller spike than if you have

45:48

them earlier on in the meal. And

45:50

so we can think about this a little further

45:52

and say, okay, when we want to eat something

45:55

sweet, we should never

45:57

eat it on an empty stomach. We should always have

45:59

it after a meal. meal as dessert. And that's

46:01

one of the ways you can eat the chocolate

46:03

you love or the cookie you love with less

46:05

impact on your glucose levels. So always

46:07

think dessert is the way to go.

46:10

Again, common sense, that's when

46:12

most people eat sweet foods, but now we

46:14

tend to have sweet foods between

46:16

meals in the morning and that just leads to big

46:18

spikes. So always have sweet foods at the end of

46:21

a meal and learn to use

46:23

my hacks so you can eat the carbs that

46:25

you love in a way that leads

46:27

to smaller spikes. And the last thing I will add

46:29

is that when you start

46:31

using my hacks and reducing your glucose spikes,

46:34

you actually crave junk

46:36

food and starches and sugars way less.

46:39

So sort of naturally, you go towards

46:41

a state where you're eating fewer carbs

46:44

anyway. But if you try to go

46:46

the brute force route and say, okay,

46:48

tomorrow I'm going keto, that's very difficult

46:50

to maintain. And most people just can't do it

46:52

for more than a couple of days, right? But if you

46:54

solve the underlying issue, you're going to be able to build

46:56

this into a lifestyle. Did you have a moment where you

46:59

realized that you were going to do this? You

47:03

mean talk about blood sugar all day? Yes.

47:06

Did you just have this? You know, you

47:08

and I, this is pretty funny because I feel

47:10

like all I do is talk about protein and muscle. Yeah,

47:13

I know. It's so funny. Did

47:16

I have a moment at several

47:18

moments, but it sort of built up, I

47:21

think the aha moments was when I saw

47:23

that depersonalization correlating with these big

47:25

glucose spikes. That was my personal aha moments.

47:28

And then when I was working in Silicon Valley

47:30

and I started getting super interested about this topic,

47:32

I thought, why is nobody made

47:35

glucose super mainstream and almost, you

47:37

know, at one with pop culture.

47:40

And over time, as I built the Instagram,

47:42

and I, I felt that there

47:44

was traction, it built in myself

47:46

too and became a passion. And then the

47:49

book happened and you know, things

47:52

just sort of snowballed. There was not a moment

47:54

where I thought this is what I'm going to do with

47:56

my life. It sort of happened over time. What about

47:58

you? How long have you been doing this? doing that? Five

48:02

years. And it just,

48:04

it took a life of its own. Totally.

48:08

Totally. But I do think

48:10

the universe always wanted me to talk about this topic

48:12

because when I was 11 years old, we

48:15

had a theater production in my school and

48:18

I was the pancreas. I

48:20

was talking in this little, I know,

48:23

I was talking. And

48:27

so my role was to play the pancreas, the organ

48:29

that manages glucose levels. So if

48:31

I look back, I'm like, okay, the universe always

48:34

wanted me to talk about glucose. It was a

48:36

rich... How did you figure out how to make

48:38

it mainstream? I think this is the big struggle that

48:40

a lot of people,

48:43

scientists do

48:45

have. I mean, you've

48:47

been able to simplify it. And listen, you

48:50

guys that are listening, whether you're providers, you

48:54

do have to sacrifice nuance to

48:56

make information accessible. And that is

48:58

just the reality of it. People

49:01

may disagree, but again, to actually

49:03

help the masses, the simpler, quite

49:06

frankly, the better. And

49:09

you sacrifice, again, some of the

49:12

nuances. It just happens. Absolutely.

49:15

And you say the simpler, the better. I got

49:18

to a point where my content was

49:20

so simple that I could

49:22

remove all the words from it and people would

49:24

still understand it because I went

49:27

to drawings. My

49:29

genius moment was to dream

49:31

up these images of

49:33

glucose spikes side by side,

49:36

explaining a simple concept.

49:38

So for example, broccoli

49:41

and then mac and cheese, smaller

49:44

spike than mac and cheese alone. I

49:46

don't even have to write broccoli and mac and

49:49

cheese because there's a little image of them. I

49:51

stripped things down so

49:53

far that I almost

49:55

can't take anything away anymore. So

49:57

I think creating that visual graph.

50:00

was the thing that propulsed this content and

50:03

this science to the level of mainstream.

50:05

I think it's all about the visual element. It's

50:09

brilliant. It's brilliant, it's straightforward, and it

50:11

can reach a lot of people. And

50:14

even on that note, I am sure

50:16

that you've

50:18

been thinking about other things. Because at this

50:20

point now, you've been talking about glucose for

50:23

five years, and you're probably thinking to yourself,

50:26

wow, everybody just wants to talk about

50:28

glucose. And I am so

50:30

over talking about glucose. But

50:32

it has now just hit mainstream. Has that happened

50:34

to you? Yeah. Yeah,

50:37

you know, two years in is when I felt like I cannot

50:39

talk about glucose anymore. I just cannot say

50:41

what glucose is. And then something switched in

50:43

my brain, where I don't know,

50:46

it didn't feel frustrating anymore. It just became

50:48

automatic. So when

50:50

you ask me, what is glucose? There's no part of

50:52

me that's resisting, like, oh my God, I've answered this

50:54

question a million times. I'm happy

50:56

to tell you the answer that I think is the

50:58

best answer and is going to convey this

51:00

information to the person. But yes, of course,

51:02

you know, I'm thinking about evolving things. I'm

51:05

really interested in mental health, because that's the reason

51:07

I got into this in the first place. So

51:10

I always wonder, could I do to

51:12

mental health what I did to glucose? So

51:14

could I make it visual? Could

51:16

I turn complicated science into easy hacks? Could

51:19

I make it super human

51:21

and accessible? But I think that's going to

51:23

take me, you know, decades to get there,

51:25

because we don't have a good way to

51:28

visualize mental health. And I don't think that

51:30

I can create a message that is super

51:33

mass market if I don't

51:35

have visual support. So I've been

51:37

talking to a few companies that map the brain,

51:39

that voltage, etc. But it's

51:41

too early. I don't think we can really extract

51:45

from that a simple visual

51:48

image that could help me

51:50

in that journey.

51:52

So I'm curious your thoughts about that. I

51:55

think you'll probably have a flash of insight

51:57

moment because really.

52:00

It was this ebb and flow of

52:02

these moods or anxiety that led you

52:04

to really pinpoint glucose. And

52:07

again, I hear that a lot from my patients

52:10

when they're feeling a certain way, we have

52:12

to figure out is it actually anxiety or

52:14

is it blood sugar dysregulation? And

52:17

oftentimes, if they're waking up in the middle of the night, we'll

52:20

see ebbs and flows in their

52:22

blood sugar that make them

52:24

feel extremely anxious. So

52:27

do I think that you'll be able to do it? I do. I

52:30

absolutely do. And again,

52:32

you are a very unique blend of

52:35

being interested in the biochemistry, but also

52:37

interested in this idea

52:39

of bringing things to mass market in the

52:41

mainstream. That's unusual. So my question is, what

52:44

did you do in Silicon Valley? I

52:48

was working, okay, so I'll back up right

52:50

before Silicon Valley, I was doing my master's

52:52

degree in biochemistry at Georgetown. And

52:55

I did not like the lab. Like it

52:57

was too slow for me. I was like

52:59

six months to do this experiment. And then

53:02

something can go wrong. And

53:04

then there's this technicality and then you have to

53:06

scrap the whole thing. And it's seven

53:08

years later, and your paper doesn't get

53:10

published. It

53:13

did not work by personality. Pretty

53:17

much. So from that

53:19

moment, I knew I wouldn't be an academia.

53:23

And Silicon Valley, I really wanted to work at this company

53:26

called 23andMe. I did genetic testing

53:28

and ancestry, et cetera, and I thought it

53:30

was the coolest thing. And

53:32

I wanted to work on the product team. I said, hey

53:34

guys, so I have a master's in biochemistry, but I want

53:37

to work on product. That means I want to work

53:39

on the website and the emails and the

53:41

experience and the features, because that's

53:43

my true passion. Like I'm a

53:45

user-obsessed person. I always think about

53:48

what is going to be the experience of somebody

53:50

who has no scientific backing. I

53:52

always think about like my mother, my grandmother, my aunt,

53:54

how are they going to interact with this piece of

53:56

information? How do I make it seamless and super

53:59

simple? So they finally

54:01

gave me an internship after I begged them for

54:03

an internship for about six months, kicking

54:06

and screaming, like, fine, you can work here

54:08

for three months during the summer. And

54:10

that's when I learned engineering

54:12

and design and software. And

54:15

I blossomed. I loved it. And then when

54:18

I had the moment of, oh, wow, glucose

54:20

is going to be important to me, I

54:23

merged the two. I merged my level

54:25

of science and my understanding of

54:27

scientific studies with my passion for

54:29

making user centric products, essentially,

54:31

and design and marketing and made

54:34

a little snowball and voila, glucose

54:36

goddess was born. It's

54:39

extraordinary. You guys have to check

54:42

out our stuff. The extraordinary part

54:44

about it is the information

54:46

does bring awareness to blood sugar regulation.

54:49

And one could say, well, does blood

54:51

sugar regulation and checking it does,

54:53

you know, what are those long term outcomes

54:55

if you're healthy? Maybe not much. But if

54:57

you have dysregulated blood

54:59

sugar, ebbs and flows are

55:02

likely not good. Insulin should

55:04

be thought of as a fail

55:06

safe mechanism, not something that you're

55:08

calling upon frequently. And then what

55:10

else is so interesting about what

55:13

Jessie has done is she's taken

55:15

these somewhat complex topics and made

55:17

it available to everybody.

55:19

And rather than we could

55:22

have gone in down the rabbit hole of

55:24

the acetic acid and what is the structure

55:26

and what enzymes are

55:28

it inhibiting, etc, etc. But that

55:31

might be interesting for her and I and maybe you.

55:34

But the point is, is when

55:36

people are sitting there just learning, they just want

55:38

to do the thing. And that's

55:44

amazing. It's

55:47

all about just starting and doing one

55:49

thing. And can I ask you,

55:51

Gabrielle, you talking about, you

55:53

know, am I bored of talking about glucose?

55:55

What about you? Because you become the protein

55:57

princess or, you know, there's a whole thing.

56:00

staying around you and muscle and I'm sure that

56:02

you're thinking about other things as well. Quite

56:04

frankly, I am. I'm going to go back

56:07

to take a position and be part-time

56:09

faculty and study sexual medicine

56:11

and hormones and do research

56:14

looking actually at the hormonal interface of hormones

56:16

and muscle mass. Just

56:20

part-time. I've got two more books to write

56:22

and then of course the podcast. Thank you so much for

56:24

asking. But what I do believe

56:26

that it's important is if you are talking

56:28

about something that you have to be continuously educated

56:31

about it and that's what this

56:33

podcast is all about, these transparent conversations.

56:37

And I believe that the

56:39

next frontier is going to be this idea

56:41

of sexual medicine and hormonal replacement

56:43

in a way that is

56:45

different than it's being discussed now. I

56:49

cannot wait to learn

56:51

from you and hear everything you're going to

56:53

be sharing. That's very exciting. Muscle is

56:55

just one part of it. It's the pinnacle just for

56:57

you as if glucose is this

57:00

major piece. Muscle is a huge piece

57:02

and protein is a huge piece of

57:04

that. But there are so

57:06

many other concepts that ride along with muscle-centric

57:09

medicine and overall health like sexual

57:11

health, like hormonal health and

57:13

I'm so excited to be able to talk about some of

57:15

these other things. What

57:18

is next for you? I mean, you are all

57:20

over the place and you know what else I really, what else

57:23

I really, really love? So

57:26

the pictures are great

57:29

but the fashion is even better.

57:31

Girl. We'll

57:34

save that for the online and for the

57:36

offline chat. Well what's up app? But the

57:38

fashion my friend. Thank

57:41

you. I appreciate it.

57:43

I'm obsessed with fashion. I mean,

57:45

I'm trying to be the first

57:47

scientist, biochemist who's really in the

57:50

fashion game and I, again,

57:52

just weird parts of my brain coming together and I'm

57:54

like, how can I merge these two? How

57:57

can science and fashion become one? And it's my little

57:59

personal challenge right now. now. So I just

58:01

launched this YouTube show with sort of

58:03

in-depth episodes where I cover all these

58:05

topics. And let me tell you, every

58:08

single one of those episodes has a full

58:10

look that is really awesome from different

58:12

fashion brands that I've been working with.

58:14

So yeah, love the fashion, love the fashion.

58:16

And also I'm a demini, right? And so

58:19

I think I love this idea

58:21

of contrast. How do you bring two things

58:23

that have nothing to do together and make

58:25

a little UFO, like a unique little thing

58:27

that nobody has ever done before? And I

58:29

think that's where a lot of genius lies.

58:32

So if you're listening and you're somebody who

58:34

has two very distinct interests, how could you

58:36

bring them together? Because that makes something that

58:38

is so unique, right? I love it. Well,

58:42

Jesse, it's so wonderful to have you on

58:44

the podcast. We'll link to all your things

58:46

and you and I will catch up offline

58:49

about all things glucose and

58:51

fashion. Amazing.

58:53

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