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Pushkin.

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out. Are you sitting

0:38

like that?

0:40

Because that was eating. I

0:42

didn't want to eat indirectly into your ear.

0:46

That hasn't stopped you before.

0:50

Is that a common problem that you eat

0:53

in my ear? Is that why we broke up?

0:56

Are we talking?

1:01

It's just a joke. It

1:06

was just a joke. Oh,

1:10

I'm sorry. I was just joking around.

1:14

Oh

1:21

hey, how's everybody been lately? Chill

1:25

for Dan and I not so much.

1:28

Do you want to hug?

1:29

Yeah?

1:30

Okay? Do you want

1:32

to sit down hug or a standoun hug? I always

1:34

sit down, hug. I'm sorry.

1:43

The past few years have been innumerably difficult

1:45

for every person on Earth. You don't need

1:47

me to tell you that we've lost

1:50

loved ones, jobs, our futures,

1:52

our minds, and I count

1:54

myself among the lucky ones. Maybe

1:57

not on the farthest end of the spectrum, say

1:59

as corporate CEOs who took home

2:01

higher profits and bonuses than ever before,

2:03

ever in the history of the world. And

2:06

that's true. It's a fact and frankly

2:08

criminal. No, I didn't fare

2:10

that well, but still, as painful

2:12

as it's been, I'd have to put my personal experience

2:15

kind of in the middle, though, how could anyone

2:17

measure? Here's a brief synopsis.

2:21

In March of twenty twenty, the world came

2:23

to a grinding, deathly halt. Homeschooling

2:27

began. Our company took out one of

2:29

those PPP loans, and then when

2:31

that ran out, we had to lay off the majority

2:33

of our staff and take pay cuts.

2:36

Then my uncle, my only relative west

2:38

of the Mississippi, who lived nearby in Hollywood,

2:40

he died. He'd been struggling

2:43

with HIV most of his life, so maybe

2:45

COVID wasn't to blame, but who knows. One

2:47

day he just keeled over from a heart attack,

2:50

and due to travel restrictions, Dan

2:52

and I were tasked with settling his affairs.

2:55

It was really sad, and

2:58

then time just dragged on. We

3:00

worked, worked, parented, homeschooled,

3:03

cried, repeat. Then

3:05

my daughter's father moved across the country, and

3:08

then my dad and stepdad both

3:10

had major cardiac events within a few

3:12

months of each other. They're

3:15

doing okay now, but given what had just happened

3:17

with Uncle Patty, it was terrifying. And

3:20

then I entered perimenopause and

3:22

became very depressed. I

3:25

grew a giant uterine fibroid that

3:27

made me feel like I had to pee all the time and made

3:29

my back hurt. My landlord sold

3:31

our house and luckily we didn't get kicked out

3:33

by the new owners, but we had a lot a bunch of

3:35

strangers roam around in it for months.

3:38

During the pandemic. I

3:40

wanted to stay in bed most days, and

3:42

sometimes I did. My diet

3:44

went further into the trash. I gained thirty

3:46

pounds, and Dan and I experienced

3:48

our own version of what I think a lot of couples

3:50

went through during the lockdown. Things

3:53

just stopped working the way they

3:55

used to.

3:58

There is there is a freeze I'm searching

4:00

for, though, like bad

4:02

taste.

4:02

In portaste in por taste, Yes,

4:06

it wasn't though I'm just sensitive. I don't know.

4:09

No, It's okay, I mean I

4:11

should understand that now

4:16

in general, do you do

4:19

you want to feel better about yourself

4:21

or something? That's what that's what I've heard.

4:23

Are you talking about right now in

4:25

this moment? You just made me cry?

4:27

No, I do want to feel better right now? Yeah,

4:30

I want to feel better.

4:31

Why?

4:32

Because this sucks?

4:34

Were you feeling that way pre pandemic?

4:36

No?

4:37

Okay, I mean the pandemic is

4:39

a big thing. I think also, I

4:42

feel like constant chipping away at

4:45

my resolve, yeah,

4:47

you know, and my like patience,

4:51

tolerance, joyfulness,

4:54

optimism, happiness. It

4:58

feels so daunting to deal with.

5:01

And again, I don't know if we should include something like that,

5:03

but it's true. That's what I was thinking. I was like, how honest do

5:05

I want to be about this on this show?

5:07

Because I don't want to lie.

5:10

Yes, I still go to therapy and I've

5:12

adjusted my meds, but there's just

5:14

a dark cloud over everything. I'm

5:17

feeling like I forgot how to do

5:19

life. The me that put on

5:22

tailored clothing, that went to work

5:24

further than fifteen steps from my bed, or

5:26

even outside of my bed, that

5:28

cared at least a little bit about

5:30

being healthy, that felt like life

5:32

was fun. That woman

5:35

feels very very far away and

5:37

I cannot reach her. I'm alive,

5:39

I'm functioning because I don't have a choice,

5:42

but I'm not getting much out of it. I

5:45

don't think I'm in an uncommon

5:47

place, like I think a lot

5:49

of people can identify with how I'm feeling.

5:52

I'm not feeling anywhere

5:54

near my best, and it

5:57

feels like a very

5:59

very difficult daily fight

6:01

I'm having with myself and am

6:04

beating myself up for like not being

6:06

more motivated, not having

6:08

more energy, not being more

6:10

dedicated, not being

6:13

more productive, not

6:15

being more loving to everyone around me,

6:17

not being more tolerant,

6:20

like all of the things that if I was feeling

6:22

really good about myself, would just be there. Like

6:26

I'm depressed and I feel and

6:29

I think that that's a

6:32

lot of people are feeling like that. I

6:34

remember the first week of the pandemic when I

6:37

think you were at the house even when the news came on

6:39

the TV. Remember that, yeah, and

6:41

with this shutdown, yes, yeah,

6:44

I mean we knew that there was a it was coming,

6:46

that COVID was out there. But the

6:49

day where schools closed

6:52

and don't leave your house

6:54

that day, I

6:58

remember being devastated, feeling

7:02

on the one hand, like forced vacation, and

7:04

on the other hand, oh my god, people are

7:06

dying and I can't leave the house

7:10

or I might kill someone or be killed

7:12

myself. That was very heavy information

7:15

and it felt temporary,

7:17

but it also felt really gnarly and

7:20

I don't know what the psychology is after.

7:23

I don't know if anyone knows what that really

7:25

did, with having the lockdown last so

7:28

long and having so

7:30

many people die, and having so

7:33

many people get sick, and then me having

7:35

COVID twice and what is the long

7:37

COVID element of this? Sorry

7:40

I keep weeping.

7:42

No, it's okay, I mean, but

7:45

I want to talk.

7:45

To somebody about that, because

7:49

I'm holding myself up

7:52

to a version of me and a world

7:54

that maybe can't

7:56

ever exist again. Dan

8:00

and I have spent many, maybe too many

8:02

hours talking about how to bring the old me

8:04

back, and we've hit wall after wall.

8:07

As for Dan, he's I'm not saying

8:09

it here because it's just not his style

8:11

to be as open as I am with a bunch of strangers.

8:14

But this has all been really hard on him

8:16

too. Otherwise maybe we wouldn't

8:18

have broken up if, like one of us was feeling

8:20

normal. But Dan also isn't

8:22

as open as I am to looking outward for solutions.

8:26

I'd take life advice from Ronald McDonald

8:28

if it would help me feel better in even some tiny

8:30

way. But Dan is a little more

8:33

skeptical in this one area. He'll

8:35

tell you that himself.

8:37

I think it's interesting because I think that you

8:43

like the idea of someone of like kind

8:45

of letting someone else tell you how

8:47

to improve, or

8:50

an external factor helping you in some way

8:53

sounds good, And I am like weirdly

8:55

stubbornly, like like

8:57

if someone tries to explain to me

8:59

what like I ran for a long time

9:02

jogging and getting exercise

9:04

in I would ride my bike or walk

9:06

everywhere just like because I wanted

9:09

to, because anyone else

9:11

did, you know, like total bud about

9:13

it. But like that, in a sense,

9:15

I do think that that's my problem.

9:17

Not mine. I can't tell you how much

9:20

time I spend googling how to get happy

9:22

right now. I tried

9:24

waking up and getting sunshine on my face every

9:26

morning, walking every day tod

9:29

nothing except it made me listen

9:31

to podcasts, which I don't really actually

9:33

enjoy doing. Eating salads was a

9:35

bust. Hormones

9:37

probably helped a little bit, But I don't

9:39

know how you measure that. Meditating

9:43

was relaxing, I guess, but we

9:45

needed to think bigger. But

9:47

then I thought, hey, if I

9:50

was improved in my selfness,

9:53

if I was an improved self, I

9:55

would enjoy every morning.

9:57

Yeah, Grandma Ruth, you know, so

10:00

I would. I have a list of

10:02

things, but they're not mine. Are very

10:06

existential.

10:07

Well, it's the beginning of the process. We're

10:09

gonna whittle this stuff down to action

10:12

items. So what do

10:15

you have existentially? Big

10:17

picture?

10:17

Oh, big picture? You want to go big?

10:19

Yeah, I mean I feel like, you know, let's think big

10:21

and then we'll see what we can do about it.

10:24

Like, first of all, the universe would have to change. I

10:26

would have to be immortal.

10:30

That's the number one thing death don't

10:32

want it. Need to improve my outlook

10:34

there, well I need that to not

10:37

be on the books.

10:55

Okay, So if I were to think

10:58

of that in action

11:00

step form, then obviously

11:03

you cannot be immortal yet, but

11:05

you could try to live as long as you can.

11:09

And so there's some you know, and.

11:10

Let's start taking away everything. I like, is

11:12

that what you're saying?

11:15

Huh?

11:16

It's truly like I have to. I would

11:18

have to. That's the problem. Yeah, no, talk

11:20

about what the fuck? That's not living cigarettes

11:25

cigarettes, fake cigarettes, but cigarettes

11:27

of caffeine, wine,

11:29

wine, laying down.

11:31

Laying down, watching TV, watching

11:33

TV, texting, yeah,

11:37

texting, TikTok mm.

11:39

Hmm, drinking diet coke. I

11:43

want to stay sitting down. I just want to

11:45

chill. But I think sitting down is actually hurting me.

11:47

Can you Can you use that as like a stepping

11:50

stone, like, since laying down isn't great?

11:52

No, I can take laying down off

11:54

my list of things. Believe me.

11:56

I have dug deep for inspiration, motivation,

11:59

all of that stuff because I want to live forever,

12:02

and I want to be as

12:04

physically attractive as possible while

12:08

I live forever. I'm not gonna

12:10

lie about that.

12:11

Don't lie. You made a face like, oh god, no,

12:14

no, no, no. My face was like, well,

12:17

of course, of course you will.

12:19

Be anyways,

12:27

No, I do. I want to look great and

12:29

feel great and be great.

12:32

Do you want to be great? No?

12:34

You don't, wait, do I I don't think. I

12:36

haven't thought about that be great.

12:38

I don't even know what that means. I think

12:41

to do good work and

12:44

be a good person.

12:45

Do you want to be the best you? Yes?

12:50

But oh man, watch out

12:52

world, Hey we might

12:54

be getting somewhere.

12:56

What is the best you? I mean when you think about that,

12:58

what is it?

12:59

It's like one inch away

13:02

from

13:04

Okay, my fear is that the best

13:06

to me is like just

13:09

the hairs wid

13:12

away from like being like Ellen

13:15

degenerous.

13:18

Or someone like that in what

13:20

sense.

13:21

Like maximizing what everything

13:23

Jane has, like if I

13:26

maximized my potential.

13:30

But Ellen, okay, so Ellen is

13:33

known for being like mean, Right,

13:36

I'm.

13:36

Saying I'm a hair away. I'm not saying I am mean. I'm

13:38

saying, Oh, so you're saying I'm

13:40

afraid of my own power.

13:41

I'm a part of Ellen is part of.

13:43

I'm afraid of my own power. I'm

13:47

not afraid that, like I would become Mussolini

13:49

or something. I'm just afraid that if I start buying

13:51

into what Gwyneth and Ellen and Rachel Hollis

13:53

are into, that I'll become like

13:55

them, out of touch and drinking twenty

13:58

five dollars smoothies and trying

14:00

to guru people myself just gross.

14:03

I won't be bad, I won't be a bad person,

14:06

but I feel like you

14:09

know what I mean. I don't want to become.

14:12

Like you would become an entity.

14:15

Yeah, okay, like I would. I

14:18

feel like if I

14:20

reached my potential,

14:24

that my potential

14:26

would.

14:26

Be Are there different ways

14:29

that you could use your potential? I mean, do

14:31

you have to be like the

14:33

leader of an empire or the figurehead of an

14:35

empire or.

14:36

See that's what I'm saying is I don't know.

14:39

I'm sure I don't have to do something like that, but

14:42

just give me a workout routine and we'll see

14:44

what happens.

14:45

Yeah, I know, that's the thing.

14:48

See, this is the problem. This is the problem

14:50

with self improvement, honestly,

14:52

like with self help, becoming

14:55

your true self? What if it's not

14:57

cool? What if it's not good? What

15:00

if it's bad? So

15:04

Dan obviously asks a lot of great questions,

15:07

and one of the things I've always liked about him

15:09

is that even after he has the answers,

15:11

he does not tell me what to do. And

15:13

if he did, it would probably be something like you

15:16

should smoke some grass, dude,

15:18

now. To get out of this thicket of absolute

15:21

mindfuckery, I need a guide,

15:24

an objective guide, someone who isn't trying

15:26

to heal my childhood trauma or

15:28

help me communicate what I'm thinking. I've

15:30

got that covered. But instead

15:32

someone who will just give me action steps, a

15:34

schedule, a game plan. I

15:37

need a coach. We

15:40

googled best life coaches in LA

15:42

and got to clicking all over the web.

15:44

But first let's get something out of

15:46

the way here. So I feel

15:48

like in the last season we

15:51

were looking at

15:54

wellness techniques that

15:56

we knew. There's not a

15:58

lot of science backing this stuff up, right, And

16:01

that's why I want to differentiate, because this isn't

16:03

something where we're just saying like, no, this can't

16:05

work. We really want to find

16:07

out what that experience is like specifically

16:11

you Yeah, okay, So it isn't

16:13

that sort of thing. We aren't here to just

16:15

sit here and go like this is a goofy website

16:17

or something like that. No, no, no, yeah exactly. So

16:20

I just want to, you know, if.

16:21

Any of these promises can be made

16:24

true, I'm into

16:26

it. I hope the life coach

16:28

isn't like the life

16:39

Welcome back to the dream and my search for

16:42

a Unicorn life coach. For some reason,

16:44

I can't stop talking about weed today. But

16:47

there's something else I want to say about weed right now

16:49

that relates to shopping for life coaches. You

16:51

know how weed like, even after it was legalized

16:54

and accepted by people and the cops sort

16:56

of, it still goes by names like Girl Scout

16:58

Cookies and Purple Haze and Luke Skywalker

17:01

or whatever. Don't ask me how I know. And

17:03

it's like grow up weed.

17:06

That kind of jaunty branding really turns

17:08

me off and rampant in the coaching

17:10

world, and it makes it hard for this actual

17:13

sincere hunt I'm on because, like

17:15

I said, my natural snarkometer

17:17

gets in the way. For example, there's

17:20

this one guy here, Dan Mendelow,

17:22

who claims to be Yelp's number one life

17:24

coach in LA. He looks

17:26

like what does he look

17:28

like? Like a guy who would be on a home makeover

17:31

show on eah GTV or

17:35

like a broy

17:38

friend of a startup CEO.

17:43

He has a couple tattoos, He probably

17:46

you know, wears bracelets, the beaded kind.

17:49

He's the kind of guy that I am personally face blind

17:52

to, So I'm having a really hard time to describing

17:54

him, but I think you get the drift. He

17:56

wears Henley's you know those shirts

17:59

with the button the three buttons. That

18:01

guy, that guy, but what the tattoos?

18:03

His website is really slick and

18:06

full of swear words, very Gwynethie.

18:09

The tagline on his website when you first click it

18:11

says, get the confidence, clarity and magnetic

18:14

energy to take your business and relationships

18:16

from stuck to Oh my fucking god,

18:19

yes, which

18:21

sounds great to me.

18:24

Oh this sounds brutal,

18:27

uh.

18:28

Because it's like ready to call in your holy

18:31

shit, is this real life? But

18:33

let's just watch the video.

18:35

What's up? Legend? No, I'm

18:37

dan mend.

18:54

Here's the problem. We're in LA, So it's gonna

18:56

be a lot of that probably, of course.

18:58

Yeah, or someone will find out

19:00

your mom and cleeen mama.

19:05

Oh you know, it would be the very worst if

19:08

they called me back. Ass Are

19:11

you done with this guy? I'm done with this guy. The

19:14

ancient wisdom and the WhatsApp legend

19:16

I can't do. Yeah, so okay.

19:27

This one was also on

19:29

the list. He's

19:32

like a salt and pepper gray guy with John

19:35

Stewart.

19:36

Yeah, kind of or of like a mix

19:38

between Frank Zapffer and John Stewart.

19:41

Mm hmm. He's a hypnotherapist.

19:43

Oh he does NLP neural linguistic

19:46

programming, which I don't think is

19:48

a real thing. I

19:50

mean it's a real thing, and that people like claim

19:52

that they know that they're educated

19:54

in it. But it's a pseudoscience, right.

19:57

I mean, isn't it normally associated

19:59

with cult in manipulation?

20:02

Yeah, that's how it's gonna Yeah.

20:04

But I see it a lot in the life coaching world,

20:08

like a positive to on neuro linguistic

20:10

programming. I bet I don't. I always

20:13

want to say processing because it doesn't

20:15

sound so culty, but it's programming.

20:20

On the off chance you've ever heard of NLP

20:23

neuro linguistic programming, it's

20:26

probably from one of those documentaries

20:28

about Nexium, the MLM

20:30

slash cult that branded people

20:33

and then starved them and then

20:35

made them play volleyball

20:37

all night with this guy called Keith

20:40

Ranieri. You know who I'm talking about, And

20:42

if you don't, awesome,

20:45

Keith Ranieri loved NLP, and so

20:47

do a lot of life coaches, apparently ones

20:49

who aren't abusing people. But

20:52

it's like creepy by association to

20:54

me. I don't want

20:56

someone to whoa. I don't want someone

20:58

to Now this one. I did

21:00

look into a little bit. She's

21:04

got tons of filters on her photograph.

21:06

I wasn't one hundred percent sure.

21:09

She looks like so

21:12

she is a therapist,

21:15

and then she has like customizable

21:18

life coaching services,

21:20

checking in accountability offering,

21:23

encouragement, keeping you motivated, like

21:25

all of that stuff. Great, But if you scroll

21:27

further, she's affiliated with some people in groups

21:29

who have like kind

21:32

of backwards views on autism,

21:34

like uh, not necessarily

21:36

like Howardly anti vax, but talks

21:39

about the connection and

21:41

the unproven cures for autism.

21:44

You know what I mean. I just don't want to go

21:46

there. So that's a no. This

21:53

one. I really liked her until I got to

21:55

the very bottom of the page, Okay, which

21:57

is a becoming a thread? Yeah,

22:01

is that they're burying the lead.

22:03

I would think that this opening picture

22:05

would bother you.

22:06

Well, it says sessions like in session

22:08

trans informational mindset coaching, plural

22:12

sessions of sixty minutes. Right, what's causing

22:14

burnout, uncertainty of lack of fulfillment.

22:17

I love all that. Yeah, micro dosing,

22:20

that's where they all about me, I

22:22

know.

22:23

But I mean micro dosing can be can

22:26

be helpful.

22:27

Yeah, I just don't know if that's right for me. I don't

22:29

know if she's right for me. I

22:31

don't want it to come up. I don't want

22:33

it to be like, Jane, you've done really well this

22:36

first month. What I think is

22:38

really going to get you to the next level is

22:41

eating mushrooms. And then

22:43

I'll have to be like, well that was just a waste,

22:46

because I can't trip ever again.

22:48

In my life.

22:48

Yeah, Like, the minute I start to feel different

22:51

and weird, I'll have a panic attack. The

22:59

transformational power of drugs is

23:01

like something that it.

23:04

Will not that doesn't doesn't fly.

23:06

No, No, I mean I've

23:09

done a lot of drugs, and I know that

23:12

they can be really fun. But

23:14

when I'm thinking something really profound while

23:17

I'm on like acid or something, I know

23:19

that I'm being stupid. If I

23:21

get really high on weed and

23:23

I have some brilliant thought, I know, like

23:26

in the instant that I have it, I'm like, that is

23:29

just a high thought. You're being

23:31

totally stupid. But enjoy it, you know, like laugh

23:34

all you want. But when you get out of

23:36

this high, you're going to realize that nothing

23:38

actually happened. You were just high

23:40

for a minute, but discovering something about

23:43

the universe. Uh huh. And oh,

23:45

and that's the other thing. If I don't want to it's going to

23:47

be bad. You just have to go into it

23:49

with the right attitude. And it's like, no, if the drug

23:51

works, I don't even my attitude shouldn't matter.

23:53

It should just work. Looking through

23:55

all these potential coaches and picking on them

23:57

and being a complete asshole is definitely

23:59

helping me find out what I want by checking

24:02

off what I absolutely do not want. It's

24:05

narrowing the field. I'm

24:07

hoping by like episode eight, I

24:10

will sound different

24:12

in the way I'm talking about this stuff.

24:15

I love that.

24:16

I like hope that I genuinely

24:19

feel enough different and

24:21

better that I will sound

24:24

different, Which

24:27

makes me mad at myself. Why because

24:30

my life is lovely, why

24:32

do I feel like it could be so much better?

24:34

You know?

24:35

Like that's why can't I just be cool

24:37

with where it is?

24:39

It's part of that just getting old a little bit.

24:42

I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. The other

24:44

day I had to get out of my house for an hour because

24:46

they were doing some construction thing and

24:49

I couldn't figure out where to go and

24:52

that felt very unlike me

24:54

or unlike the me I want to be.

24:58

It sounds like depression.

25:00

Yeah I'm depressed.

25:01

Yeah, you're also overwhelmed constantly.

25:05

Yeah. In the past I would have been like chitching

25:07

and gone to the art store or and

25:10

not even bought anything, just wandered around

25:12

the art supply store. There's

25:14

a word I learned a long time ago, not

25:17

in therapy, but at the psychiatrist's office

25:19

when they were trying to figure out just how depressed

25:21

I was. And it's called an hedonia. You

25:24

know, hedonism, that's the root word.

25:27

Is all about pursuing pleasure at all costs.

25:29

Well and heidonia and

25:32

hedonism is where you can't find

25:34

pleasure in anything. Food

25:36

is boring, no TV shows are good, clothes

25:39

are stupid and uncomfortable, and showering is

25:41

for losers. Friends? What friends?

25:43

That whole thing. I'm going to throw

25:46

all of that at a coach and see if they can snap

25:48

me out of it.

25:49

Is it

25:51

is it about? Yeah?

25:55

I guess that's interesting to me because there's

25:57

an expectation that you have for yourself, and

26:01

you're pretty hard on yourself in

26:04

my experience when you don't live up

26:06

to the expectations that you set for yourself.

26:09

I mean, it's going to be curious to see

26:11

which side of that. Is it meeting

26:13

the expectations.

26:14

Or is it lowering the expectations or or.

26:17

Understanding that those expectations

26:19

aren't maybe as relevant to optimal

26:23

Jane as you might think.

26:26

Well, how would anybody be able to tell I'm optimal Jane

26:28

though unless I meet those expectations.

26:30

Well, I think a lot of people already think of you as optimal

26:32

Jane. Optimal Jane

26:34

being a car Why are you do you mind?

26:36

I don't know. No, I just feel like I'm in therapy

26:38

right.

26:38

Oh, I'm sorry, it's I shouldn't

26:41

I shouldn't be peering in.

26:42

No, no, no, it's okay. I want to talk about

26:44

this stuff.

26:50

I think the idea though, is that we're looking

26:52

for something positive.

26:53

Yeah, I'm

26:56

sorry, okay. And I have eye cholesterol

27:02

and there's a bag of Torito's in front of me.

27:04

Root okay,

27:08

I mean you know, like there's

27:12

of course, you have high chost for all. Your

27:14

favorite food is from Taco Bell. There's nothing

27:16

wrong with that either, but that

27:19

goes with it.

27:24

Mm hmm.

27:25

Well have you ever felt when did

27:28

when's the closest you came to feeling like optimal?

27:30

Jane, let's try and get

27:38

or have you ever had a chance to feel that way.

27:45

Like when I first met you? But

27:48

I don't know if that was just like the oxytocin

27:50

or something then I was diluted

27:53

or something that I wasn't actually

27:56

a good person or doing my best.

27:59

Well, I I

28:01

just want to plant Your life is very different

28:03

now, you know.

28:05

I know I was thinking about today and like,

28:07

I'm sorry, I.

28:08

Was crying with it.

28:13

Like it's Tuesdays, and Tuesdays we used to.

28:15

Be able to go out, yeah,

28:17

or just go to lunch.

28:18

And grab a beer or something. Yeah, I picked up

28:20

beer though there's some in the fridge.

28:22

Let's go get one. Okay,

28:26

Sorry, don't sorry.

28:33

So that's what we're doing this season. I'm

28:35

getting a life coach while simultaneously roasting

28:37

all life coaches because I really do need help,

28:40

and some part of me really wants to believe this

28:42

might be the magic bullet, but a bigger

28:44

part of me doesn't believe in magic. Maybe

28:47

that's my problem. Spoiler,

28:50

I do find someone to help me, and she can

28:52

totally take the roasting. Her name

28:55

is Jesse, and I promise you that she

28:57

is a person to believe in, even

28:59

as I lay waste to all the coaches around me.

29:02

Jesse is fit and hot and

29:04

not a super skinny white lady. She's

29:06

a good mom, a joy to be around.

29:08

Those things about her. I really like what

29:11

her company is called. Okay, I

29:14

had to get past this. Her company is called

29:16

Supernatural Wellness.

29:18

Just one of those things about being in LA that I

29:20

have to live with. And she's

29:23

into metaphysical stuff, which is just kind of like

29:25

also unavoidable, and so

29:27

is working out I guess which she made me do the very

29:29

first day we met up. That's

29:31

all coming up this season on the Dream.

29:39

And I also need you to connect to

29:41

your soul, to your spirit,

29:43

because listen to it, it's

29:45

going to tell you exactly what you need me.

29:48

Just by looking at your blood work and looking at the way

29:50

that you're eating, I

29:53

can tell that once we regulate

29:56

all of this, you're

29:58

going to be so much better. And then if

30:00

you're inflamed in your body, can you imagine how

30:02

you're inflamed in your brain.

30:05

I don't think it works like that scientifically.

30:08

When you say connect you spirit, I don't again,

30:11

this is not something I've ever spent time thinking,

30:13

like, you know, so I'm

30:15

gonna listen. They just listen.

30:18

Just amuse me. Just believe it. Just

30:21

believe it. I am, yeah, just

30:23

believe it. I just end up having more questions, Oh

30:27

my god, what are we doing?

30:28

Now?

30:28

Are we still doing this? No?

30:29

How much longer did we have to do?

30:31

Oh?

30:31

We still have about forty minutes? But The

30:40

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30:42

by me Jane Marie. Our

30:45

producer is Mike Richter, with help from Nancy

30:47

Golumbiski and Joy Sandford. Our

30:49

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30:51

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