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This is the ed mileage show.

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Welcome back to max out everybody. Today's an honor, you know, it's rare in life that when you meet a hero of yours, that they personally exceed your expectations of them.

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And the first time I met one of my heroes named John Maxwell, that happened, it was a conversation that I'll never forget.

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And it developed into a friendship that I'm very grateful for.

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John is a, an icon.

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I, I think you could argue that he's the number one selling author in the history of whatever category you want to call it.

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Leadership, personal development, faith, change your life stuff.

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He's the number one all the time.

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He's a, he's an incredible speaker.

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He's a great leader. He's a good man and he's become a good friend.

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And I just so grateful.

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I get to share his wisdom with you all today for the second time on the program.

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So John Maxwell, welcome back.

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Great to have you here.

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Thanks ed. You know, I think back of our time together too, and it was one of the most enjoyable experiences I've ever had, you know, sometimes you just get in the zone.

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Yeah. And that day we got in the zone, you know, they talk about athletes and they get in the zone and they, you know, if they're playing basketball, they can't miss, you know, if they're hitting their, you know, and we just, we got into that.

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I don't know the ed, John zone something that day, and I

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could not agree with you more. And my prayer is that we're stepping right back into that zone again today because it's been a while and I still, we still get messages about that conversation and that day, because it did what your new book is doing for people to get help change people's worlds that helped change their life.

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And then I'm so grateful that you've written a book.

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So guys, I just, you know, when we have someone on the show about books, I promote them, but then there's books that I really love.

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And so John wrote this one with Rob Hoskins, actually, co-authored it together, which is unique.

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It's called change your world.

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And I love this, how anyone anywhere can make a difference.

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And I can't think of a more timely conversation based on where the world is and people's lives are at.

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And so as we dive into this topic and I have the best in the world, for those of you that are listening or watching, and I go, I'd like to change my world.

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I'd like to change the world.

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I have the man here to do that.

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And I just want to start out with one thing he says in the book, just to set the stage for today John's books, by the way, I always say this, you highlight most books.

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You can't do that in John's books because otherwise the whole page is just highlighter.

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You'd be better to highlight with a one or two things in the book that you're not going to go reread because the whole book is highlight worthy.

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But he says this guys, he says, people change when they heard enough, they have to, maybe some of you can relate to that when they see enough that they are inspired to, or when they learn enough that they want to.

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And so I'm hoping that today, one of those three categories fits one of you that are listening and That

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we can help you. So John, let's start.

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I'm just curious. I think when people hear that, they think, Hey, you say in the book, anybody can transform their life, but does that really apply to me?

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Can anyone actually change their world?

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And I'd like to begin?

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Yeah. I love the question.

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And I think that the here's, here's where the miss is.

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I think that most of the time when we're talking about positive change, we leave it to others because we're really don't think that we're probably capable of doing it.

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And in fact, I called the book, change your world, not change the world, change the world's too big.

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It's it's, it's overwhelming.

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So I I'm just asking people to go into the world.

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I mean, you know, your family, your, your friends, maybe, maybe the few people that you work with, but I'm asking them to go into that world and become a positive influence, positive force with the people around them.

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And what really excites me about the book and our time together today is that the book is, has no theory in it.

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It's all proven work.

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It's I'm not throwing out a book and saying, I think maybe if we did this, that we could change our world and we're, I'm not hyping.

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People are, you know, pie in the sky stuff.

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We're not going to Disneyland today. It's, it's, it's just stuff that it works.

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And I know it works because I've been able to see it firsthand.

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I've been able to lead it and, and to be able to put a book like this in the hands of any person and have them not have a false promise, but have a true promise that they can really make a difference with someone else is just an incredible feeling.

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So I, I can say, you know, I've written 86 books, so that's a few.

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And by the way, that's no.

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And when you think about it, that's no big deal.

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You've gotta be, you gotta be old.

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If you're, if you're not old, you can't write a six word.

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So I tell her, you know, relax, take a pill.

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It's not that big of a deal. You just have to be old 86 books, but of the 86 books that I've done, this one is the most fulfilling.

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It's a, it's a timely book.

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It's very timely, but I'm very excited because what do leaders do?

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And leaders offer hope in the darkest hour.

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Yeah. And honestly, when crisis comes, you separate the players from the pretenders real quick.

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And so we're in a crisis and I'm giving an opportunity for all of us to be players.

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You know, I noticed John, I noticed that by the way, on the book, I was going to ask you that it didn't say change the world.

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It said, change your world. That was one of the things I actually wanted to ask you about.

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And so you, you kind of started out there and like most of John's books, guys, it goes right into the granular, like, here's what you do.

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And on that hope topic, you have this great term in there called a possibilist.

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You need to become a possibilist.

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What is that?

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Explain how you love that word.

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I love it. I love it.

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It took me about a month to learn how to say it.

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So I got it out the way early in the interview.

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I'm like, I'm going to say this correctly early.

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Yeah. I, I could ride it before I could say it, but I love it because what, what does a possible is a person who doesn't deny reality.

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I mean, they don't have their head in the sand.

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They don't say they're, they're not just an optimist and everything's good.

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And everything's going to come out. Okay.

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Without any kind of substantial support to their statement of possible list, sees reality, sees the downside, but also sees the possibility.

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And by the way, I think that's the, I think that's what a leader is.

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I think a leader sees reality.

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And in fact, you know, max debris says the first responsibility of a leader ed is to define reality.

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So w we, we don't do our people a favor.

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Would we? When we leave reality.

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And in fact, I think reality is the foundation of building a dream.

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I, I, you know, I watched people try to build a dream without reality, and I want to walk into their life and say, it's not going to happen.

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You've got it. You've got to, you've got to the foundation of reality is what is solid.

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Now you can build something off of it.

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And a possibilist is a person who says, this is very difficult time, and this is not going to be easy, and it's not going to be quick.

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And it's not going to be even sometimes simple, but, but it can happen.

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And I'm not only believe it can happen, but I'm going to make it happen.

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And in other words, a possible list gets involved.

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It's awful easy to be an optimist on the sideline, but when you've got to go in the game, all of a sudden that optimism is going to show anything in your game.

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You gotta be able to provide the resources and support to make the, make the game a winner for you.

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So I love the word because it says we're gonna, we're gonna, we're not going to deny reality, but we're also going to not deny possibility.

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And

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you

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know,

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some

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people,

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they

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go

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to

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reality

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and

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lose

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possibility

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of

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nip. Some people go to possibility and lose reality or possible is says, I take both of them with me.

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Does that make sense? Totally makes sense.

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I've not heard it said that way, because I talk a lot about operating out of your imagination and not your memory or your history.

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I think a lot of people just keep operating out of their memory and their history and they don't give themselves the gift of being what I call a possibility thinker.

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And I love possible lists.

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It's so beautiful because now what you've added to that, though, that is really valid is you also have to define reality.

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I think a lot of times these, you know, you got to dream big, you gotta have possibilities, but defining where you are is the place you're going to begin.

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And what I love about the book actually for me, I, you know, I'm trying to, in my life, you know, I have different businesses.

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And so, as I was reading the book, I'm like, this really applies to turning around this one particular part of my life and my business.

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And I was fascinated because John Lee's foundations, guys it's steps in this book.

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And I thought it was interesting that really you start sort of with values and that that's sort of the foundation of transformation.

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I think this is bad because if you've been hurt through what's going on in the economy right now and in the world, and you're like, where the heck do I begin to turn my world around?

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John recommends, you start with getting clear again on your value.

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So talk about that a little bit junks.

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It's beautiful. And I don't read that anywhere else.

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Well, thanks for bringing that up. And you know, I, if it's okay, I would like to give all, all of your people, a behind the scenes that started the book at all.

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But, but, but, but it's, I w I'd like to give context, I'd like to pull back the curtain for a moment, because I got to go clear back to 2002.

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And if you go back there, I mean, if you picked up the time magazine in 2002, they summarize that year as the year of distrust, because that all I got to do is say Enron.

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Okay? And that, that was the year when, when corporate scandals were rampant and, and what we said we were, and what we were was not the same thing.

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And employees got hurt and clients got hurt and corporations just went belly up and all kinds of bad things happen.

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I was riding at that time for time Warner and Larry Kirshbom, who was the CEO of the book division of time, Warner called me up to New York city.

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We had a long dinner and he said, John, I want you to write a book on business ethics for us.

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We just really need this voice in America right now.

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And I told him, I said, I can't.

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And he said, why, why can't you?

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I said, because there's no such thing as business ethics.

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And he looks at me and he said, what do you mean?

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Look, what's happening in the business world.

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I said, I know I understand that, but there's still no such thing as business ethics.

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I said, there's just ethics.

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Just

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ethics. It's not business ethics.

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It's not home ethics. It's not community ethics.

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It's not relationship. It's it's ethics.

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And, and either you have them or you don't.

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And by the way, if you have the, they work in business, Oh, happy day.

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Okay. We're cooking. You went to me.

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So, so, so he gets it real quick.

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And he said, Oh, I got it. He said, well, can you write a book on ethics?

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And I said, I, I'm not sure.

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He said, okay, you're holding back on me again.

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Wait. And I said, how do you write a book?

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I mean, ethics is all about doing the right thing for the right reason, regardless of the situation.

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I said, how can you write a book on ethics when there's no truth or absolute, I mean, in a world of relativism, how do you get anything substantial?

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And I said, you're going to have to give me a little time to see if I can write the book on it.

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And so I went with waves, my research writing team, we talked about it a lot.

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And we finally came up with an answer.

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So I wrote the book on ethics and the answer was very simple.

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We wrote the book based on the golden rule, treat other people as you'd like to be treated yourself beautiful.

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And our research team found out that every religion in the world and every culture of the world has the golden rule.

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So it, it's not like I'm telling them something they don't already know, or probably haven't even embraced.

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So we wrote book and it was a game changer.

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I mean, I was interviewed by Chicago Tribune wall street journal.

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I went to West point. I mean, I went to places and they said, talk to us about, and all of a sudden, the light turned on in my life.

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And I realized back in 2002, that the golden rule was, is nothing more than a good value, that this is a good value.

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Treat others as you want to be treated. It's a good value.

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All of a sudden, I thought good values can make us become good feed people.

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If we learn them in them, if we live them.

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And so I began to, although I trained leadership skills and everybody knows that I try to develop leaders.

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I got that part. I said, I want to do more than help people with leadership skills.

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I want to help people. Not only be trained me.

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I want to help them be transformational leaders.

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Very good. And transformation is an inside job.

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It's a, it's a values issue.

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And it's one thing.

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Okay. Let me give you an example.

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Yeah. I'm known for the statement. Everything rises and falls on leadership.

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Yep. That's the, that's the, that's the, that's the good and the ugly, the good and the bad of leadership rises or falls.

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You've got a bad leader at falls. Good leader.

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Now what makes leadership rise at two things, competence.

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And there was, you have to be a good leader and good values and you can't divorce them.

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You, you, you, you, you're not going to rise if you have great skills, but you have terrible values.

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And if you have great values, but you have terrible skills, you can't lead anybody.

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I mean, you know, the good news is they're a friend, but they aren't going to take you anywhere.

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And so the falls on leadership is when you have bad values and you have bad, bad, bad, bad leadership skills.

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And so all of a sudden I realized that here we've been training people to lead and leadership skills, and we've trained.

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We train them on what to do, and they know how to do the right thing, but we haven't trained them to be right.

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We haven't trained them to be the right person.

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Okay, John, I didn't mean to jump in, but I feel like it's one of the revolutionary parts of the book is the part on transformation tables is that you make change in groups.

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And it made me think a couple of things guys on values is I read the book and I did the values assessment myself.

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I think one of the reasons, all of you that are trying to make change, I think if you want it to be, long-term start different this time, start with your values.

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That's the foundation.

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That'll be, that'll be everlasting.

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I mean, your values will evolve obviously over time.

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But the other thing that happens when you take inventory of your values, I think, and it helped me is I've been talking a lot lately about, you've got to believe you're worthy of success.

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You got to give yourself more credit for your intentions, not enough.

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I think everyone D credit case I could be successful.

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As you said, when I'm completely ready or when I've got all the answers, I've got this amazing ability to execute.

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Well, how about you deserve the win because you're a good human, because you intend to make a difference.

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There's a lot to be said in this world right now for just somebody with great intentions and not enough good people give themselves credit for having good intentions delivering on their self-confidence because they don't take an inventory of it.

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And then when you sit at these transformation tables, he talks about you'll discuss, but I think It

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begins to grow within you. And so I just think there's so many granular things like that in the book.

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You also talk in the book, Johnny, you have to list them all if you don't want to.

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But I just think his stuff is so real.

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There's like eight, like eight streams of influence that you talk about and why they're necessary to for transformation.

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If you want to go through all eight, you're welcome to, but if you could at least make some reference to it, I just feel like it would be so valuable for someone watching this right now or taking notes, or maybe they're about to pull over to the side of the road so they can write these down.

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The reason I love to be on your show is, you know how to bring the best out of the person you interview.

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You're a master at it. You really are at your pro.

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And I got be, I I'll go to the eighth strings, but you know, when you, when you, when you've talked about people with good intentions, that all of a sudden we give them courage.

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We, you know what?

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We let people that I've had good intentions and a good heart out of the closet.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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We let them, we, we say you can get out of the closet.

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You don't have to stay there anymore.

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And we're going to give you a simple game plan that, and you don't have to start big.

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Do, do you have five friends? Do you have four friends?

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Do you have three friends that you'd be willing to get together with and, and just work through these values?

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And I, I just love what you said, because I thought to myself, wow.

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I wish I would have written it as good as you said it, as, as far as we, we just really help people who really would like to make a difference, but have never had the courage or the confidence.

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Yeah. The thing it's always kind of had somebody else's going to have to make a difference.

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I'm just going to hope and pray for it.

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And then all of a sudden, no, no, no, you can.

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You're going to walk out of the closet now and you can start doing it.

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And so that, that, that transformation, that magic happens there.

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We may come back to the table a little bit Because

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interaction, interaction, Hearing

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other people discuss their, their difficulties and issues just really helps bring everybody out.

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Let's stay there for a second. John. I think it's too valuable.

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So it reminded me almost like if you go to church, there's, you know, you go to church every Sunday, but then sometimes there's like a small group where you sit around and fellowship and you'll share a scripture and discuss it and then it grows and you come back.

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I think it's, I think it's you're right.

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Let's just finish that for a second. What is a transformation table specifically?

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And how do I begin to build one?

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Oh my gosh. Okay. Well, it's a small group of people.

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I, you know, six, eight, you can get up to 10, but don't, you know, keep it small, keep it small.

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And it's, but it's a place where everybody roots for everybody.

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There's no judgment there w we don't need any teachers there w we don't even call them their facilitators.

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There's one person that may say, okay, you can, you, you share next, but, but, but it it's, it's a we're in this together.

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And all we're wanting to do is improve each other.

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And so it's one for all. For one, you can call us the six Musketeers around the, around the transformation table or whatever you want to call, but here's, what's beautiful.

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Heres why the table works at, okay.

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There are three questions that people ask.

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Then if they can get those answered, it brings life change to them.

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And they always ask it about somebody that's leading them.

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Okay. And these are the three key. When I spoke at the United nations few years ago, when I did the opening session at the United nations to all the ambassadors of the world, I spent two hours on these three questions, but these are the, these are the three, every follower ask a leader, basically these three questions.

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Now they don't ask them personally, but intuitively they're following for a reason.

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And the reason is they're looking at that person who ever is this lead.

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And they're asking the questions, first of all, do you care for me?

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Secondly,

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can

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you

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help

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me? And thirdly, can I trust you?

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Those are the three questions in the table.

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Here's what makes the transformation table magic.

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Those three questions are answered every time.

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This

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is

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life

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changing. And when I'm teaching those three questions can be asked, but I can't answer them to a crowd when I'm reading it.

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When I'm writing a book, they could pick up the book and they could be reading it.

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But those three questions can't be answered at long distance through on a page, you could put people around the table, ed, and all of a sudden the trust factor begins to increase because people began to be vulnerable.

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But trust is, is built out of vulnerability.

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It's not built out of covering.

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And it, you know, authenticity is, is, is essential.

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And, and all of a sudden you've got people helping each other, and you don't have professionals helping each other.

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You have friends helping other.

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And let me tell you something. The difference between a professional help is they'll tell you what you need to know.

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A friend hap how will say, I'll walk with you.

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Wow. It's crazy. Oh, that was so good.

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I'm so glad I got Aaron in this room to get this content for me.

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I got my content curator in here and it's just becomes absolutely life changing.

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And I want you to know it.

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It's, it's, it's, it's like social trust, social trust, every country that does well.

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Every community does well. Ed has social trust and any country that doesn't do well, lacks and social trust is I trust you.

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I trust you to do what you ought to do most of the time.

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And when there's distrust, I don't trust you to do what you ought to do most of the time.

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And if you can see, we we've got a trust fall in America right now, a major trust, fall, no question.

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And somebody needs to speak about this issue.

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Now, watch, this is huge. We have got to trust fall, and we're looking at each other and we're saying, Oh my gosh.

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And, and it's, it's, we're divided, it's you?

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And it gets me. And, and we got our issues and the hope, and we've totally lost our way around the table.

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That

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all

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disappears. You've got people that are friends and they're saying, well, let me tell you how w how, what happened with me in that area.

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And, and, and you've got, you've got support.

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I mean, it's, it's like AA meetings.

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I mean, there's a reason that they've worked for decades.

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There's a reason there's a com.

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There's a community that table did.

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You can get nowhere else. And so what we've watched is, as we've done, we've now put, add two and a half million people through these tables.

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So we, we w w I mean, it's not like we tried a table last week and we wrote a book about it.

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We think it might work. Yeah. And we have story after story of life change.

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And the life change comes when people just are sitting around that table and they're finding out, yes, you, you care for me.

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Yes. You are helping me.

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And, Oh, yes, I do trust you.

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And now there is a safe place for people to have change, because change is not easy.

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You,

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you

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referred

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to

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that

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earlier,

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when

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you

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know,

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people

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change. When they heard up, they have to, they, they see enough that they're inspired to, you know, they learn enough that the change is not easy, but around the table, change is as easy as it's ever going to come, because you're not doing it by yourself.

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And that's so, it's so exciting.

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You said, by the way, what you establish that table is social trust in that community.

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And guys, listen, we're, we're just getting in here.

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We've already talked about, about, yes. You can make transformation.

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Yes. You need to be a possible list.

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Yes. It starts with your values, the way you go out and do that as you go out and create one of these transformation tables, these are real applicable things you can do right now that can begin to create the transformation in your world.

23:38

These are real things, John, I read the book and there's a group of kind of, you influences, I guess you call them that are friends of mine.

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That we've all sort of said, Hey, let's get together.

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One-on-one. And I actually took the transformational table concept.

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And next Friday, I'm doing that with a group of men and women that are in this group.

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And I said, I want to sit. I want to begin to build my own transformation table.

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I'm not the leader of it.

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I want it to be a community.

24:05

And I, and I said to them actually, ironically, that I wanted to build social trust.

24:09

And I've learned the three keys of leadership from John Maxwell.

24:12

When you guys hear me talk about those three keys, now, you know where I got them.

24:15

So, you know, I'm coachable to John on these things, because I know you, by the way, when I think of John, I think of values.

24:22

When I think of someone who sustained a career this long, that so many of us that are in this space look to as somebody that we admire that said sustaining impact in value like John has.

24:33

It's because of these reasons, these are the reasons why I love John.

24:37

So he's being humble, but he's lived many of these things for years and years and years, which is why he is who he is.

24:44

So I interrupted you on the eight streams of influence because the transformation table is so died.

24:50

Gum. Good. But I know that's one of the things after values that's necessary for transformation.

24:54

So let's at least give them the gift of that wisdom as well.

24:58

Yeah, I will. And by the way, you just, cause you keep saying things that trigger me.

25:02

It's your fault that we don't get to the eighth street because it's your fault ed, because you let me just say something.

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I have fulfillment and accomplishing things that I can do, but I have much greater fulfillment, multiplied, fulfillment in helping other people accomplish things that they've never done before.

25:22

And that's why change your world is so exciting to me because I've got this down, I've done transformation tables.

25:29

I'll keep doing transformation tables, Margaret.

25:31

And I took a cruise about 18 months ago, a Disney cruise, a great Disney cruise with our grandchildren.

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And every day we went to another value.

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We finished the Disney cruise.

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We'd go to four different countries. We've got Mickey, we got goofy.

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We got them all running around.

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We've got them in the parade.

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We got them doing everything. I sit down, I say, okay, cause I always do this at the end of a trip.

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I always ask my kids, my grandkids, what did you love?

25:56

What did you learn?

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Always

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because

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experiences

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and

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the

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best

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teacher,

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you

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know,

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it's

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evaluated

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experience

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the

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T

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okay. All five of my grandchildren.

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What did you love?

26:08

Goofy Mickey mouse prayed Papa.

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We love sitting around the table with you and Mimi and learning values and discussing them.

26:20

I mean, these little kids would get around.

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I'm talking about they're all my kids are teenagers.

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They would get around. I remember that.

26:28

I'll never forget the moment when John, my number three grandchild in one of the values was very open and honest, about a very difficult time he was going through.

26:38

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Life-changing life-changing life change.

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It can only happen at the table now.

28:10

Wow. It never, I can't wait.

28:12

Eight streams of influence.

28:14

I knew he would do this again.

28:15

I knew it. Well, it's magic your fault.

28:18

And I, Hey, I've had to help interviewers finish their program, right?

28:25

Okay. I'm with you. I just sit there and I say, jump in.

28:29

And the flow as flow will take you wherever you want to go.

28:33

And you do so well, but leadership, everything rises and falls on leadership.

28:39

So in every community, in every country, there are eight streams of influence.

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We, this is just well-documented and we've got it down.

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Government, business, education, media, arts, family, religion, and, and, and health.

28:55

Okay. Now these are the eight streams of influence.

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We only go into the country when we get permission from the top of those people.

29:04

And here's what's key.

29:05

So the president says, we want you to come in.

29:08

We say, well to the president, will you and your cabinet go through transformation tables?

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You know, w when the Supreme court justice, I said, now, will you and your Supreme will, you, will you start a transformation table?

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And we go right to the top.

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And, and if they won't, we vet countries and we don't go because, because they will.

29:25

Here's what we found. I have, I have seven companies, but one of my companies is as a, is a leadership training company.

29:31

And here's what we discovered.

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This is huge.

29:34

The major difference between success and failure in a company, when we're doing leadership training with them, there there's one indicator.

29:42

And we can tell it on day one, whether they're going to make it or not.

29:46

There's one indicator of whether it's going to be a successful or not.

29:49

And here it is, when the leaders buy into the program and they go to the program themselves, it's going to be successful.

29:58

Interesting. If they have the program, pay all the money and resources and send their people, it's not going to go, people do what people see.

30:09

And so the buy-in is the fact that in those eight streams at the very top, they say yes, and they get involved.

30:17

Now, what does influence to influence?

30:19

Just filters down through the whole country.

30:22

Got it. And through the whole culture.

30:23

Very good. And so what, so what, no matter what stream your listeners are with me on right today, no matter what stream they're in, this really works.

30:31

And I'm going to give you one example.

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I can give you a hundred, but I will give you one that's in Guatemala.

30:37

We've been doing transformation tables, teaching values to the second largest bank in the country.

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It has 10,000 employees.

30:47

Okay? So it's a big bank.

30:47

So the CEO, after they've done this for two years, the CEO asked me to come down and he said, I have 2000 of our clients that I'm bringing together.

30:57

And I want you to talk to them about change your world and transformation, tables, and values, because he said, it's so changed our company.

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I want, I want to help our clients. And so I said, I would.

31:07

So he introduces me 2000 clients out there.

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And here's what he says.

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For two years, we've been doing transformation tables in our business, three positive outcomes.

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Number one, our bottom line, the profit better than it's ever been by far.

31:25

In fact, he said it increased 36% last year.

31:28

Now, why, why did the bottom line do so?

31:31

Well? We teach values, hard work, industry, honesty, integrity, teamwork.

31:37

His employees are, are learning all these values.

31:41

And all of a sudden they start to live them and embrace them.

31:44

Now, bottom line profit, number one, number two, he said, we now have a leadership culture in our company.

31:50

He said, we didn't have a leadership culture here.

31:52

There you go. He said, and where did they get their leaders in the tables?

31:55

Because, and if you are not at a table one week, you'll, you'll facilitate that table and you'll take whatever value that comes up next week, the person beside you facilitates it.

32:05

And we go, we, we, we, we pass the leadership Baton around.

32:08

And, and how do you develop leaders by practicing leaders?

32:11

How do you know you have leaders by watching them practice?

32:14

Very good. And he said, all of a sudden leaders are popping up.

32:18

We said, we have more leaders now than we have positions for them.

32:21

Now that's a pleasant thing to have number three.

32:23

And this is what really got me so good.

32:26

He said, the families of our employees have beautifully changed.

32:30

What are they doing?

32:32

They're taking those values. They've learned at work.

32:34

And by the way, every week, 45 minutes, they, the banks all shut.

32:38

We do the tables on, on bank time.

32:41

Hey, they go home to their families, say, here's what we're discussing this week.

32:44

It bleeds right into the families. And all of a sudden the family gets better.

32:46

So good. That's why I love what this work.

32:50

This is, okay. I wrote a book, but I I'm wanting to create a movement.

32:56

Yeah. And that's what I'm passionate about.

32:58

It's it's and movements. Don't start with a mass.

32:59

They start with a few, you know, mass movements never start with a mask when Gandhi left prison and started going to the, by the time he got to the sea, he had a million, but he only had six with him in the beginning.

33:09

So let's let's Hey, he just had one transformation table in the beginning.

33:12

By the time he got there, he had a million.

33:15

And, and we think we have the possibility through this book to start a positive movement of, of values learning, living, and embracing, and, and, and that's going to be fun.

33:27

And the way that you do it, John is worth seeing, I think, watching what John's doing, not only in the content, but the way in which he's creating the movement.

33:35

So for me, I don't always just watch the execution.

33:38

I also watched the, the ex the person executing.

33:40

I shouldn't say executioner, but the person doing the executing.

33:43

And one of the things you talk about in the book, and I want people to go read the books.

33:47

We only cover one or two more things in it, but the truth is you talk about moving from me to we.

33:52

And I think so many leaders unknowingly, still sort of make what's happening about them.

34:00

And they're not cognizant enough.

34:01

I'm making it about the we, and I don't think any great movement has ever happened without a cause.

34:07

And I don't know that enough business leaders are aware of turning their business into a cause.

34:12

And for me, I've done that in business. But when I read the book, I'm like, if I'd done that in my family, I'm the leader of my family.

34:18

What's the cause of our family.

34:20

What's our family's mission. That's why, what you just said about the crews really made an impact on me.

34:25

So can you just speak to that a little bit?

34:28

Yeah, I'd be glad to, because I think that we, you know, Stephen Covey said begin with the end in mind.

34:32

And when I wrote intentional living, it was whole, the whole deal is most people accept their life instead of leading their life.

34:39

And so when we talk about this movement and what we're trying to create, first of all, it starts with credibility because without credibility won't go anywhere.

34:51

I know a lot of people, they have really good values and a really good cause, but they're not credible.

34:57

They can't say, but we've done it.

34:59

And, and you know, if I haven't done it, all I can do is tell, but when I've done it, I can show and tell and show and tell us about a hundred to one more powerful than just tell.

35:12

And, and so, you know, when, when a lot of times books are tell, and there's nothing wrong with that.

35:17

In fact, I love what you said about your imagination a while ago.

35:21

And I think so many people cut themselves short because they don't allow their imagination to take them to where their potential could be.

35:26

But, but what I do know is this, that in the cause the cause has to be a positive cost.

35:34

That adds value to people. Let me just say you sustain a movement out of negativity.

35:39

We've got a lot of negativity in our country right now.

35:42

You can't sustain negativity.

35:44

It, it, people were out with there's only.

35:48

So there's only a much, I could only curse the darkness so long.

35:52

Yeah. I mean until, okay, now I've cursed the darkness in it's really dark and we've cursed a lot and it's nothing's happened.

36:00

Hey, Hey, this book is, quit, cursing the darkness and go turn on the light.

36:06

Oh, this is a turn on the light bulb.

36:08

This is a turn on the light movement.

36:10

And then what you've gotta be for something, the moment that you're for something that catch this adds value to the people.

36:18

This

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is

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not

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a

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movement

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that

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adds

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value

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to

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me. When you talked about me to we a moment ago, ed you're so right on my friend.

36:26

You're so right on the vision never is sustaining.

36:29

If it's about me. I mean, if I'm saying, Hey, join my team.

36:32

Hey, come on into my, Hey, get into my coaching company.

36:34

Hey, you know, get on my leadership train.

36:37

Well, how many miles do you need to hear before you sit there and say, boy, you know, I think I, I think I'm John slave here.

36:43

I, I, I think, you know, no, no, no, no.

36:45

It's the first thing that happens to happen is that you've got to take the vision from me to, we add the vision works.

36:55

When all of a sudden you're not talking about John Maxwell's book.

36:58

When you go to your friends that you say, let me tell you something.

37:02

This book helped me now it's contagious now has legs.

37:06

It's it's not like, well, John has a book out here.

37:09

No, no. They don't care about John Maxwell.

37:11

They care about the fact that it's helped you.

37:13

Now that it's helped you.

37:15

There's a difference between being a vision caster and being a vision carrier.

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You

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can

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just

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cast,

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you

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know,

37:19

Oh,

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well

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this

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is

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good. Old, throw that out, cast that out. You know, here we go.

37:28

The moment you're a carrier, you cast the vision by Kazaa who you are.

37:33

You're so stinking, contagious that everybody catches it.

37:37

They catch it because you won't let them not catch it.

37:40

You won't shut up about it. You be. And why it, because it's, you it's changed you.

37:44

And all of a sudden it's made a difference in Ed's life.

37:47

Not Maxwell's life.

37:49

It's not about me. It's all about you.

37:51

And when you go to your group, you know, Friday night and you go bring that book and you start sharing what it's helping you do, can I do all of a sudden they're in the game, they're in the game.

38:03

I got it. I'm listening to you. I'm just thinking, you know, you're such a treasure.

38:07

I, I don't, I, you know, and I don't mean to just, I'm just speaking what I feel when I talk with you.

38:13

And I'm curious, John Lee.

38:16

So by the way, what you just said, I have to just add one thing too.

38:18

I recently interviewed Martin Luther King, the third, and we were talking obviously a lot about his dad, his dad crate, just this little movement.

38:23

You know, only one of the greatest movements in the last hundred years probably arguably the greatest movement in the last a hundred years.

38:29

And I was golfing this week with a buddy of mine.

38:33

And he goes, that guy was Martin Luther King was, he was against racism.

38:36

I said, that's not right. He was for equality.

38:39

He was for justice.

38:41

He was for unity.

38:42

You don't create a movement that lasts this long being against something.

38:46

There's nothing wrong with having an adversary that you're against, but Jesus Christ rate movement.

38:51

Wasn't just against the adversary. It was for our salvation.

38:54

If you're a person of faith, that's what endures.

38:56

And so I just want to second that, but when I look at you, we are going to talk about John Maxwell for a second.

39:02

I'm listening to this man. Who's been at this for more than one decade, put a, put it mildly.

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And I'm watching him at the top of his game.

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I've known him a while. I've read, I haven't read every one of the 86 books, but I've read a lot of them.

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And way before we met, you all heard me singing the praises of John Maxwell and I'm watching.

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40:34

Is

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there

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something

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that

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you

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could

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impart

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to

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all

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of

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us

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about

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you're

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on

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the

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top

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of

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your

40:41

game? How do you do that to sustain that level of what's the, what's the mechanism that drives you, you to stay at this level or even Kate keep getting better.

40:51

I love the questions you ask. I mean, you go right to my heart every time.

40:54

First of all, I am getting better. I am at the top of my game that I'm, I turned 74 Saturday, February 20th.

41:01

So I turned 74. So, okay.

41:03

Now I get that and I'm in my best days, but my best days today are because what I was in my twenties, I had a mentor share with me that growth was not automatic, that if I was going to personally grow, I was going to have to dig for it and be intentional in it.

41:19

And that getting older is automatic, getting better is not.

41:23

And so once I understood the difference, I said, okay, I've got to get a game plan for my personal growth.

41:29

And I did. And my game plan for personal growth over the has been quite simple.

41:33

It's just, it's, it deals around our EAL relationships, equipping attitude and leadership.

41:39

And, and if you'll read my books, almost all my books are either in relationship equipping attitude or leadership category.

41:47

And I did that because I came to the conclusion at 27, that if I could teach people how to do those four things really well, they could pretty much be successful in any kind of venture that they have.

41:59

Because I mean, if you're good with people, relationally, if you know how to equip people and build yourself a team, if you know, if you've got an attitude that can handle COVID-19 and adversity, and if you, and if you can lead an influence people, pretty much you're in, in the game of success.

42:15

So I said, every day, I'm going to learn how to relate, better equipped, better attitude, better lead, better.

42:22

I'm going to live in this world. And I didn't become goal oriented.

42:25

I became more values oriented.

42:27

And I think this is a difference.

42:29

I'm not, I'm not opposed to goal oriented at all, but what it tastes like if you're growth oriented, you'll hit all your goals.

42:38

That's right. But if your goal right, not growth oriented, every time you hit a goal, you know what you do, you go to the game.

42:43

What's next. Okay. Now what do I do? I, okay.

42:45

I just made this much money. Oh my gosh.

42:47

Okay. I got this position and okay.

42:49

I bought that house now, what do I do?

42:51

And, and to take the, what do I do out of your life just began to grow now, stay right with me.

42:58

What happened? It's because I grow and have done this for we're about 50 years now on it.

43:04

I have increased my growth capacity.

43:06

This is where people miss my growth capacity is Hugh mungus.

43:12

It's like going to the gym.

43:14

Hey, you, you increase physical.

43:17

Pass it. It's it's, it's like reading.

43:19

You increase mental capacity. Well, I've increased growth capacity.

43:22

My growth capacity is much larger than most.

43:25

People's not because I'm smarter than most people it's because I've been doing it for 50 years.

43:29

I've got a, I've got a long runway now.

43:32

So my growth capacity allows me to grow more, faster and compounded more than other people because consistency see compounds.

43:43

So at this stage of the game, everything I touch gets bigger and better, but it's because my capacity is growing.

43:50

Now put on top of that.

43:52

I don't think there's a finish line.

43:55

So I'm not running a finite game.

43:58

Simon Sinek wrote a great book called the infinite game.

44:01

And it's a phenomenal book. He's a good friend.

44:03

And, and, and it's a great game.

44:05

And basically Simon, I'm going to write a book and I was already going to write before a Simons.

44:09

And now I told you I'm about to write it and just make it better than his.

44:12

But, but, but I I'm going to write a book.

44:15

I'm kidding. He's a phenomenal writer.

44:17

I'm going to write a book entitled.

44:19

Is there a finish line and for an ad for most people, the answer is yes.

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Most

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people

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have

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call

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a

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self-imposed

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finished

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line. I get to this age, I'm going to quit.

44:32

When I make this much money, I'm going to quit.

44:35

And, and so they, they, they, they, they put their lines out there.

44:39

Now, if I put a finish line out there, you know, I, I I'm, I'm 74.

44:44

I got to, I got to quit. I'm not gonna work anymore.

44:46

Okay. Whatever, what, what people don't understand is when you cross that self imposed finish line, guess what you're finished, you're finished.

44:56

It's over.

44:57

But

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if

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you

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live

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with

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no

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finish

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line,

44:57

it's

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never

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over. What does that do? That keeps me in the game.

45:06

It keeps me excited about what's happening because I'm never going to finish.

45:12

I'm going to die.

45:13

But America, by the way, when I came into the game, the game was already started.

45:17

I didn't start the game.

45:18

And it's certainly going to not end when I leave.

45:22

I mean, you know, I tell people when they think that they're indispensable, I say die and just find out how good we get along without you.

45:28

Oh my gosh.

45:30

Nobody said dispensable.

45:31

So it's okay.

45:33

So, but what this allows me to do is that it allows me to stay fresh.

45:37

Instead it allows me to ask questions.

45:40

It allows me to stay curious because I understand my growth capacity is great.

45:46

And I'm playing in a game that never is finished.

45:48

I got it, John and my career doing this.

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That's one of my favorite answers of all time of anything I've ever asked somebody.

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And for all of you leaders out there, Well,

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Not having a finish line. You know, I put a couple in my life on my self self-imposed finished lines.

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And as I got closer to them, they just evaporated and I just quit doing it.

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Now I've sort of decided to be the way that you are.

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But the other thing that gives you hope is that as you work on growing yourself, you increase your capacity to grow even more.

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I've never heard that said before. I've never heard that said before, but I got more fire because I have experienced that, you know, trying to keep my humility, but I've experienced that in my own life.

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Like my capacity to grow exponentially is much greater now than it was even 10 years ago because I've been growing.

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And I never really thought, I think we think the reverse, why I've grown so much.

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There's just not that much more to go.

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But that's, it's the reverse.

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That's brilliant. It's

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totally true. The more you grow, the more you have to grow, the more it's like the more, you know, the more, you know, you know what, the more, you know, the more, you know, you don't know, that's so true.

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The only people that they'll hook people that think they know something are people who know nothing.

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grow. It's so true. Is there something, Let

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me ask you a very hard question. Go ahead.

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Can I ask you a hard question?

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Well, I, I may not be able to answer it, but you could ask him, what did you all through all this growth?

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Is there something that you used to believe about leadership to be true, but you no longer do that.

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You've, you've evolved out of that belief system is there you're making your face.

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Like there's a lot. We could do an hour.

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Let me tell you something.

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If you really are growing, you know, Gandhi talked about a false position and his false position basically was that you try to hold on.

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If you're growing growth means change, which means you can't hold on to things that you, one time thought were true, or you believed because you're evolving and you're getting better.

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Let's put it this way.

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When I was 25, I had a lot of certainties at 74.

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I have very few interesting because because life has taught me that it's not always black and white.

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It's not either, or it's not, it it's many times a combination.

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And, but now here's, what's beautiful.

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I have less, I, if I had a thousand certainties at 24 at 74, I have 10.

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Okay. But can I tell you something about those 10?

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I'm more certain about those 10 than I ever have been before they've been tested.

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And can I tell you something, a certainty that hasn't been tested can't be trusted.

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And

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so,

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and

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so

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this

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whole

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process

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growth

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same. So people that knew me 20 years ago, it's like, it's like the guy who came up to me, I was speaking to the conference and he said, Oh my gosh, this was amazing.

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He said, I wish I could have heard you 20 years ago.

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And I smiled. And I said, no, you know, I said, Oh no, no.

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He said, I wish I got her to 20. I said, no, you don't.

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And he says, well, if I would have heard 20 years ago, when I heard today, he said it would have changed my life.

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I said, if you had heard me 20 years ago, you wouldn't have heard what you heard today.

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That's awesome. That's so good. I'm growing, I'm growing.

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I'm evolving. I wasn't, I didn't come out of my mother's womb with the 21 irrefutable laws of leadership.

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Right. Right. It's a, it's a process.

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Does that make sense? Totally

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makes sense. And I think everyone listening to this should be gaining hope from this, that if you start on this journey of establishing your values and getting people, sitting at the table with you and being a possible list and committing to being a grower and getting to that place where people believe you can help them and that they can trust you.

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And these things are priceless.

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And for me to hear about the finish line today, it's something that I needed to evaluate.

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There's just so many things.

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Go ahead. Could I tell you a quick story? Yes, please.

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Okay. So it's about the finish line, because you said something about, you had a couple of 50 slides that were kind of self-imposed and they got there and they faded.

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Let me tell you, because I could tell you, see, what I really love was when I have time is to talk about all the mistakes failures and stupid things that I've done, because I know I've often said, if you want to hear my success, we can do that today.

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If you want to hear about my stupidity, this is gonna be a week series.

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So

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I'm

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operator. And he said something about, he had taken the last marble out of his basket.

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And the basic story was that he put like five years of marbles for every week and every week he'd go and he'd take a marble.

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And he was in a countdown. And this morning I took my last marble out of my basket.

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And I thought, Oh my gosh, I think because I was wanting to turn the companies over to Mark Colon, and I was wanting to pass on a lot of stuff.

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I said, I want to get me a, a jar so that you could, and you could see these marbles.

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And I put in like three and a half years of marbles.

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And I told Mark, I told the whole company in three and a half years, I'm gone.

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So just understand this it's it's over.

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Okay. And, and, and, and so every, every week I'd say, Mark, you take a marble out of that, you know?

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And here come the, you know, the marbles start going smaller and smaller.

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That how stupid, stupid, stupid can you be?

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And it was true.

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Can I taste it? I'll tell you how stupid I was. I was losing my marbles.

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Okay. That's so good.

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I add, I get, I literally get in front of, of a lot of the people who knew me well, and I had this big jar of marbles up here, and they had heard the marble story.

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And I said, I just want you to know I was so stupid.

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I was so wrong. I mean, who wants to live their life?

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Like Cape Canaveral in account town?

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You know what I'm saying? I mean, who wants to do like, and I picked up that I'll never forget.

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I took that jar of marbles and I just threw them on the floor and they just bounced everywhere.

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And I told him, I said, I'm never going to do this to me again.

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I'm not in a countdown. I'm only in a make your life count mode and aye.

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Aye, aye, aye. And people today, they're on my team.

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This I'll never forget the day you lost your marbles.

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And that's wonderful, but there's no finish line.

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There's no, I I'm going to live till I die and not get the two confused, Oh

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gosh, I'd love you.

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I wish there was no finish line for this conversation.

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And I don't want there to be there.

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Isn't for you and I, but there will be for the audience.

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And I just, I just love you.

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And I just think you're incredible. You make me think you make me laugh.

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You make me passionate.

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You increase my faith.

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I want to be more like you.

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I'm going to ask you a final question, but before I do, I just want to say this again, guys, go get this book, change your world.

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John Maxwell, Maxwell, Rob Hoskins.

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And you just can see, we've touched on, we've scratched the surface of what's in this book and it will change your world.

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If you do the things in this book, I can't express that enough.

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What I'd like you to do last John is I know everybody's hearing these things and we've covered a lot of very practical things to do.

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But I think lastly, people listening to this are saying, you know, I need a little hope.

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I need you talk about hope, a great deal in the book, by the way.

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And I heard you say in the beginning, anybody can change your life, but I want to go back to that.

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Lastly, is there some, if I walked into you, I ran into you in a Starbucks.

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And I said, Mr. Maxwell, I I've lost my business the last year, or I've lost my family.

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I've lost all my money. I've gained a bunch of weight.

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I I'm a little bit in despair right now.

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And, but I'm a good man or I'm a good woman.

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And I'd like to make a difference in my world and maybe eventually the world.

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What would you say? Just lastly, parting words to someone who asked you that question.

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That's a great question. I, I said it, the first part of the book, ed, I wrote these words that the people will read when they pick it up.

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Hope has two beautiful daughters, anger and courage, anger.

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At the way, things are encourage to make a difference.

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I would tell people hope has to have anger.

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You have to be discontented with where you are.

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You, you, you can't be at no change, happens in a comfort zone.

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In fact, everything Covid was wonderful.

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Covid it was wonderful in the fact that it got everybody out of the comfort zone, everything a person wants or everything a person needs, but they don't have is outside of the comfort zone.

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If it was in their comfort zone, they'd already have it.

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And so, so, so this is huge.

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So is this, you, you got to have anger.

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You got to say I'm disturbed. I'm not where I want to be.

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I don't like this position. This is, that's a healthy anger.

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That's a healthy anger because that's that stirs you out of the comfort zone.

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And then you have to have courage to go into new territory where you've never been before and walk.

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That's why I love the book.

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I'm taking people on a tour with this book.

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In other words, if you'll have the courage to change your world, you say I've never changed anything in my life.

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I hardly changed my bed. Okay.

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If, if you're willing to walk in this new Virgin territory for you, I will walk with you and I'll make sure that you get to the end of it.

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And for the first time, maybe in your life, you'll say I did something that was really positive.

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That made a difference in someone else's life.

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And that's where fulfillment comes in.

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So it takes, it takes anger and courage and you can't have anger without courage.

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You curse the darkness.

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Courage with the anger is, is you won't, you won't pay the price.

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You've got to have them both.

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I love you. So it was miraculous.

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And, And remember, you still are supposed still sometime to play golf with me and Jack Nicholas.

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Well, once we get these vaccines all out there, I'm a, I cannot express to you how much I'm looking forward to that.

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I'll hold a place for you next year, but I love you.

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And thanks for having me again.

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Let's do it again. Yeah, we will.

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I can't, I can't imagine wanting somebody to come back on more than I want you to come back on a third time.

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So thank you. And everybody today share this, you know, today you want to share this one.

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So share this with people that you love, that you care about, that you're leading, that inspire you and, and that you want to inspire.

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And so God bless you all max out.

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This is the Mylett show. Welcome back to max out everybody. Today's an honor. You know, it's rare in life that when you meet a hero of yours that they personally exceed your expectations of them. In the first time I met one of my heroes named John Maxwell, that happened. It was a conversation that I'll never forget, and it developed into a friendship that I'm very grateful for John is an icon. I think you could argue that he's the number one selling author in the history of whatever category you wanna call it leadership, personal development, faith, change your life if stuff. He's the number one all time. He's he's an incredible speaker. He's a great leader. He's a good man he's become a good friend. And I just so grateful I get to share his wisdom with you all today for the second time on the program. So John Maxwell, welcome back. Great to have you here. Thanks, ed. You know, I think back of our time together too, and it was one of the most enjoyable experiences I've ever had, you know, sometimes you just get in the You know, I think back of our time together too. It was one of the most enjoyable experiences I ever had. You know, sometimes you just get in the zone. Yeah. And and that day we got in the zone. You know, they talk about athletes they get in the zone and they, you know, they if they're playing basketball, they can't miss, you know, if they're hitting their, you know and we just we got into the I don't know if they add John's own something that day 2nd could not agree with more. And my prayer is that we're stepping right into that zone again today because it's been a a while 2nd I still we still get messages about that conversation 2nd that day. Because it did what your new book is doing for people too. It helped change people's worlds. It helped change their life. And then I'm so grateful that you've written a book. So, guys, I just You know, when we have someone that show up books, I promote them, but then there's books that I really love. And so John wrote this one with Rob Haskett has actually co authored it together, which is unique. It's called change your world, and I love this, how anyone anywhere can make a difference. And can't think of a more timely conversation based on where the world is people's lives are at. And so as we dive into this topic I have the best in the world for those of you that are listening or watching, I go, I'd like to change my world. I'd like to change the world. I have the man here to do that. And I just wanna start out with one thing he says in the book just to set the stage for today. John's books, by the way, always say this. You highlight most books. You can't do that in John's books because otherwise, if the whole page is just highlighter, you'd be better to highlight with a one or things in the book that you're not gonna go reread because the whole book is highlight worthy. But he says this, guys. He says, people change when they heard enough they have to, Maybe some of you can relate to that. When they see enough that they are inspired to or when they learn enough that they want to. And so I'm hoping that today, one of those three categories fits one of you that are listening and so I'm hoping that today, one of those three categories fits one of you that are listening and that we can help you. So, John, let's start I'm just curious. I think when people hear that they think, hey, you say in the book anybody can transform their life. But does that really apply to me? Can anyone actually change their world? And I'd like it to speak with you. 2nd I I love the question. I think that here's where the miss is. I think that most of the time when we're talking about positive change, we leave it to others because we really don't think that we're probably capable of doing it. And in fact, I called the book changer world, not change the world. Mhmm. Change the world's too big. It's it's overwhelming. So I I'm just asking people to go into the world. I mean, you know, your family, your your friends, Maybe maybe a few people that you work with, but I'm asking them to to go into that world and become a positive influence, positive force with the people around them. And what really excites me about the book and our time together today is that the book is, has no theory in And what really excites me about the book our time together today is that The book is has no theory in it. It's it's all proven work. It's it's I'm not throwing out a book and saying, I think maybe if we did this that we could change our world. And we're we're I'm not hyping people or, you know, pie in the sky stuff. We're not going to Disneyland. Today. It's it's it's just stuff that it works. And I know it works because I've been able to see it firsthand. I've been able to lead it and, and to be able to put a book like this in the hands of any person and have them not have a false promise, but have a true promise that they can really make a difference with someone else is just an incredible I've been able to lead it. and to be able to put a book like this in the hands of any person have them not have a false promise, but have a true promise that they can really make a difference with someone else is just an incredible feeling. So I I can say, You know, I've written eighty six books, so that's a few. And by the way, that's no Edward, you think about it. That's no big deal. Because I mean, you've gotta be old. You've gotta be old. If you're if If you're not old, you can't write eighty six books. So I tell people. No. Relax. Take a pill. It's not that big of a deal. You just have to be old. You're eighty six books. But of the eighty six books that I've done, this one is the most fulfilling. Yeah. It's a it's a timely book. It's very timely. But I'm very excited because what do what leaders do leaders offer hope in the darkest hour. Yeah. And and Honestly, when crisis comes, you separate the players from the pretenders real quick. Mhmm. 2nd and so we're in a crisis and I'm giving an opportunity for all of us to players. You know, I noticed John, I noticed that by the way, on the book, I was going to ask you that it didn't say change the I noticed John, I noticed that, by the way, on the book, I was gonna ask you that. It didn't say change the world. It said change your world. world. That was one of the things I actually wanted to ask you one of the things I actually wanted to ask you about. And so you you kinda started out there. And like most of John's books, guys. It goes right into the granular, like, here's what you do. And on that hope topic, you have this great term in there called a possibles you need to become a positive list. What is that? Explain. Don't you love that word? I love it. I love it. It took me about a month to learn how to say took me about a month to learn how to say it. So let's start again. I got it out of the way early in the interview. I'm like, I'm gonna say this correctly early. Yeah. IIIII could write it before I could say it, but I love it because what what this opossilist is a person Who doesn't deny reality? I mean, they don't have their head in the sand. They don't say, they're they're not just an optimist everything's good. And everything's going to come good and everything's gonna come out okay. Without any kind of of substantial support to their statement. A possibleist sees reality, sees the downside, but also sees the possibility. And and the way, I think that's the I think that's what a leader is. I think a leader sees reality 2nd in fact, you know, Max DeVries says the first responsibility of a leader, Ed, is to define reality. So we we we don't do our people of favor when we when we leave reality. in fact, I think reality is the foundation of building a dream. I I, you know, I watch people try to build a dream without reality, and I wanna walk into their life and say, it's not gonna happen. You gotta gotta you gotta The foundation is reality is what is solid. Now you can build something off of it. An apocalypse is a person who says, This is very difficult time, and this is not gonna be easy. 2nd it's not gonna be quick. And it's not gonna be even sometimes simple. But but it can happen. And and I'm not only believe it can happen, but I'm going to make it happen. in other words, a possibleist gets involved. It's awful easy to be an optimist on the sideline, but when you've got to go in the game, all of a sudden that optimism is going to show anything in your It's awful easy to be an optimist on the sideline. But when you've gotta go in the game, all of a sudden, that optimism is gonna show anything in your game. You've got to be able to provide the resources and support to make the make the game a winner for you. So I love the word because it it says we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna we're not gonna deny reality, but we're also gonna not deny possibility. Yeah. And you know, some people, they go to reality and lose possibility, and some people go to possibility and lose reality. The possibilities says I take both of them with me. Does that make sense? Totally makes sense. I have not heard it said that way because I talk a lot about operating out of your imagination and not your memory or your history. I think a lot of people keep operating out of their memory their history. They don't give themselves the gift of being what I call a possibility thinker. And I love positivists. It's so beautiful because Now what you've added to that though that is really valid is you also have to define reality. I think a lot of times these, you know, you gotta dream big, you gotta possibilities, but defining where you are is the place you're going to begin. And what I love about the book, actually, for me, you know, I'm trying to in my life, you know, I have different businesses. And so as I was reading the book, I'm like, this really applies to turning around this one particular part of my life in my business. I was fascinated because John Lee's foundations, guys. It's steps in this book. And I thought it was interesting that really you start sort of with 2nd that that's sort of the foundation of transformation. I think this is bad because if you've been hurt through what's going on in the economy right now and in the world you're like, where that heck do I begin to turn my world around? John recommends you start with getting clear again on your value. So talk about that little bit, John. It's beautiful. And I not read that anywhere else. Well, thanks for bringing that up. you know I if it's okay, I would like to give all all of your people a behind the scenes that's not in the book all. But but but but it's I I like to give context. I'd like to pull back the Kurtin for a moment. Yeah. Because gotta go come back to two thousand two. And if you go back there I mean, if you picked up the Time Magazine in two thousand two, they've summarized that year as the year of distrust. Mhmm. Because that all I gotta do is say enron. Okay? Year. That that that was the year when when corporate scandals were rampant. And and what we said, we were what we were was not the same thing. And Employees got hurt clients got hurt corporations just went belly up all kind of bad things happened. I was riding at that time for Time Warner, Larry Kirschbaum, who is the CEO of the book division of Time Warner called me up to New York City. We had a long dinner. And he said, John, I want you to write a book on business ethics. Force. We just really need this voice in America right now. And I I told him I said, I can't. And he said, why why can't you? I said because there's no such thing as to settings. And he looks at me and he said, what do you mean? Look what's happening in the business world. I said, I know. I understand that. But there's still no such thing as business ethics. I said there's just ethics. Just ethics. It's not business ethics. It's not home It's not home ethics. It's not community ethics. It's not relationship. It's it's ethics. and either you have them or you don't. And by the way, if you have them, they work in business. Oh, happy day. Okay. We're cooking. You with me? Yes, sir. So so so he gets it real quick. And he said, Oh, I got he's, oh my god. it. He said, well, can you write a book on he said, well, can you write a book on ethics? And I said, I I I'm not sure. Said, okay, you're holding back on me again. What are you 2nd I said, how do you write a book? I mean, ethics is all about doing the right thing for the right reason. Regardless of the situation, I said, how can you write a book on ethics when there's no truth or absolutes? III mean, in a world of relativism, how do you get anything substantial? And I said, you're gonna have to give me a little time to see if I could write the book on it. And so I went with way with my research writing team. We talked about 2nd we finally came up with an answer, so I wrote the book on ethics, and the answer was very simple. We wrote the book based on the golden rule. Yeah. Treat other people as you like to be treated yourself. Beautiful. And our research team found out that every religion in the world every culture in the world has the golden rule. So it it's not like I'm telling them something they don't already know or probably haven't even embraced. Mhmm. So we wrote that book And it was a game changer. I mean, I was interviewed by Chicago Tribune Wall Street Journal. I went to West Point point. I mean, I went to places and they said, talk to us about, and all of a sudden, the light turned on in my I mean, I went to places they said, talk to us about and and all of a sudden, the light turned on in my life, and I realized back in two thousand two, that the go to rule was just nothing more than a good value. The go this is a good value. Treat others as you wanna be treated. It's a good value. All of a sudden, I thought good values can make us become good people if we learn them and if we live them. 2nd so I began to although I trained leadership skills everybody knows that. I developed leaders. I got that part. I said, I I wanna do more than help people with leadership skills. I wanna help people not only be trained leaders. I wanna help them be transformational leaders. Very clear. And transformation is an inside job. It's a it's a values issue. And and and it's one thing. Okay. Let me give you an example. Yeah. I'm known for this day, but everything rises and falls on leadership. Yep. Well, that's the that's the the that's the good and the ugly. The good and bad of of leadership rises or falls. You got a bad leader, it falls, good leader. Now What makes leadership rise, Ed? Two things. Competence? In other words, you have to be a good leader -- Mhmm. -- and good values. Mhmm. And you can't divorce them. You you you you you're not gonna rise if you have great skills, but you have terrible values. Yeah. And and and if you have great values, but you have terrible skills, you can't lead body. I mean, you know, the good news is they're a friend, but they aren't gonna take you anywhere. And so the falls on leadership is when you have bad values you have bad bad bad bad leadership skills. And so all of a sudden I realized that here we've been training people to lead in leadership skills. 2nd trained we've trained them on what to do they know how to do the right thing, but we haven't trained them to be right. We we haven't trained them to be the right person. I felt like John I didn't even have to jump in, but I felt like it's one of the revolutionary parts of the book, is the part on transformation tables, is that you make change in groups. And It made me think a couple things guys on values as I read the book I did the values assessment myself. I think one of the reasons for all of you that are trying to make change. think if you wanted to be long term. Start different this time. Start with your values. That's the foundation that'll be that'll be everlasting. I mean, your values will evolve obviously over time. But the other thing that happens when you take inventory of your values, I think, and it helped me, is I've been talking a lot lately about you've got to believe you're worthy of success. You gotta give yourself more credit for your intentions. Not enough. I think everyone did credit case. I could be successful. As you said, when I'm completely ready or when I've got all the answers, I've got this amazing ability to as you said when I'm completely ready. Or when I've got all the answers or I've got this amazing ability to execute. Well, how about you deserve the one because you're a good human? Because you intend to make a difference? There's a lot to be said in this world right now for just somebody with great intentions 2nd not enough good people give themselves credit for having good intentions delivering on their self compass because they don't take an inventory of it. And then when you set up these transformation tables he talks about, you'll discuss them, but I think it begins to grow within you. And so I just think there's so many granular things like that in the book. Alright. All right. Well, if you're sitting home right now, you're experiencing some joint pain, maybe got some inflammation, lack of concentration, maybe a lag me little bit moody, also like me little weight if you're sitting home right now, you're experiencing some joint pain. Maybe you got some inflammation, lack of concentration. Maybe you like me. A little bit moody. Also like me a little gain. You might want to listen to this because you're probably deficient in your omega-3 might to this because you're probably deficient in your omega levels. You probably take an omega-3 I guess, but I've switched to Omax three ultra pure it's clinically take an omega three, I guess, but I've switched to o Max three ultra pure. Clinically tested. 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If you wanna go through all eight, you're welcome to But if you could at least make some reference to it, I just feel like it'd be so valuable for someone watching this right now or taking notes or maybe they're about to pull over to the side of the road so they can write these down. The reason I love to be on your show is you know how to bring the best out of the person you interview. You're a master at it. You really are at your You really are at your pro. 2nd I got I'll go to the hStreams. But, you know, when you when you used when you talked about people with good intentions that all of a sudden, We give them courage. We you know what? We let people that have had good intentions and a good heart out of the closet. Yeah. Yeah. We let him we we say, you can get out of the closet. You don't have to stay there anymore. Mhmm. And we're gonna give you a simple game plan that and you don't have to start big. Do you do you have five friends? Do you have four Do you have four friends? Do you have three friends that you'd be willing to get together with and and just work through these values. And I I just love what you said because I thought to myself, wow, I wish I would have written it as good as you said it as as far as we we just really help people who really would like to make a difference but have never had the courage or the confidence. Yeah. Think yeah. It's always kind of it. Somebody else is gonna have to make a difference. I'm just gonna hope and pray for it. Right. in all of a sudden, no, no, no, you can you can walk out of the closet now. And you can start doing it. Yeah. And so that that that transformation, that magic happens there. We may come back to the table a little bit because Yep. Interaction. Hearing other people discuss their their difficulties and and and issues just really helps bring everybody out. Let's stay there for a second, John. I think it's too valuable. So it reminded me almost like if you go to church, there's, you know, you go to church every Sunday, but then sometimes there's, like, a small group -- Yeah. -- where you sit around at fellowship you you'll share a scripture and discuss it and then it grows and you come back. I think it's I think it's you're right. Let's just finish that for a second. What is a transformation table specifically? And how do I begin to build one? Oh my gosh. Okay. Well, there's a small group of people. You know, six, eight, you could get up to ten, but don't, you know, keep it small. Keep it small. 2nd it's but it's a place where everybody roots for everybody. Mhmm. There's no judgment there. We don't need any teachers there. We don't even call them. They're facilitators. There's one person that may say, okay, you can you you you share next, but but but it's it's a we're in this together, and all we're wanting to do is improve each other. And so it's one for all, for one, you can call us six musketeers around the or around the transformation table whatever you wanna call. But here's what's beautiful. Here's why the table works at. Okay. There are three questions that people ask. Then if they can get those answered, it brings life change to them. 2nd they always ask it about somebody that's leading them. Okay? And and these are the three when I spoke at United Nations a few years ago, when I did opening session at the United Nations to all the ambassadors of the world. I I spent two hours on these three questions. But these are these are the three every follower. Ask a leader. Basically, these three questions. Now they don't ask them personally, but intuitively, they're following for a reason. And the reason is they're looking at that person who it ever is this leader they're asking the questions, first of all, do you care for me? Yeah. Secondly, can you help me? 2nd thirdly, can I trust you? Those are the three questions. In the table, here's what makes the transformation table magic. Those three questions are answered every time. Yeah. This is life changing. when I'm teaching, Those three questions can be asked, but I can't answer them to a crowd. Yeah. When I'm reading it when I'm writing book, they can pick up the book, and they can be reading it. But those three questions can't be answered at long distance through on a page. You can put people around the table, Ed. Mhmm. And all of a sudden, the trust factor begins to increase -- Mhmm. -- because people begin to be vulnerable. Trust is is built out of vulnerability. It's not built out of covering. you know, authenticity is is is essential. And and all of a sudden, you've got people helping each other, and you don't have professionals helping each other. You have friends helping each other. 2nd me tell you something. The difference between a professional help is they'll tell you what you need know. A friend help will say I'll walk with you. Wow. That's crazy. Oh, that was so good. I'm so glad I got Aaron in this room to get this content from me. I got my my contact curator in here has just becomes absolutely life changing fire. And and why don't you know, it's it's it's it's like social trust. Social trust, every country that does well, every community does well, Ed, has social trust. And any country that doesn't do well lacks social trusted -- Wow. -- is I trust you. I trust you to do what you ought to do most of the time. 2nd there's distrust, I don't trust you to do what you ought to do most of the time. And if you can see, we we've got a trustfall in America right now, a major trustfall. No question. And somebody needs to speak about this issue. Now watchlisten huge. We have got a trustful, and and we're look at each other, and we're saying, oh my gosh. And and it's it's we're divided, it's you, and it gets me, and and we got our issues, and we and and we've totally lost our way around the table. That all disappears. You've got people that are friends they're saying, well, let me tell you how what happened with me in that area. 2nd and and you've got you've got support. I mean, it's it's it's it's like AA meetings. I mean, there's reason that they've worked for decades. There's a reason. There's a there's a community that table that you can get nowhere else. And who so what we've watched is as we've done we've now put add two and a half million people through these tables. So we we we we I mean, it's not like we tried a table last week we wrote a book about it. We think it might work. Yeah. 2nd have story after story of life change, and the life change comes when people just are sitting around that table they're finding out, yes, You you care for me? Yes, you are helping me. And oh, yes, I do trust you. 2nd now there is a safe place for people to have change. Because change is not easy. You you referred to that earlier when, you know, people changed when they heard up, they have to. They they see enough that they're inspired to, you know, they learn enough that the change is not easy. But around the table, change is as easy as it's ever gonna come. Yeah. Because you're not doing it by yourself. And that's so It's so exciting. It's huge You said, by the way, what you establish that table is social trust in that by the way, what you establish that table is social trust in that community. And watchlisten, we're just getting in here. We've already talked about yes, you can make transformation. Yes, you need to be a possibleist. Yes, it starts with your values. The way you go out and do that is you go out and create one of these transformation tables. These are real applicable things you can do right now that can begin to create the transformation in your world. These are real things. John, I read the book. there's a group of kind of, you know, influences, I guess, you call them that are friends of mine that we've all sort of said, hey, let's get together one on one, and I actually took the transformational table concept. And next Friday, I'm doing that with a group of men and women that are in this group. And I said, I wanna sit. I wanna begin to build my own transformation table. I'm not the leader of it. I want it to be a community. And I I said them actually, ironically, that I wanted to build social trust. And I've learned the three keys of leadership from John Maxwell. When you guys hear me talk about those three keys, Now you know where I got them. So, you know, I'm coachable to John on these things because I know. And by the way, when I think of John, I think of values. When I think of someone who sustained career this long that so many of us that are in this space look to as somebody that we admire. That said sustaining impact and value like John has. It's because of these reasons. These are the reasons why I love John. So he's being humble But he's lived many of these things for years and years and years, which is why he's who he is. So I interrupted you on the eight streams of influence because the transformation a table. So I got good. But I know that's one of the things after values that's necessary for transformation. So let's at least give them the gift of that wisdom as well. Yeah. I will. And by the way, you just because you keep saying things that trigger me. It's your fault that we don't get to the eighth stream because because it you it's your fault Mylett me just say something. I have fulfillment in accomplishing things that I can do. Mhmm. But I have much greater fulfillment multiplied fulfillment in helping other people accomplish things that they've never done before. And that's why change your world is so exciting to me because I've got this down. I've done transformation tables. I'll keep doing transformation tables. Margaret and I took a cruise about eighteen months ago, a Disney cruise, a great Disney cruise with our grandchildren. And every day, we went to another value. We finished the Disney Cruise. We go to four different countries. We got Mickey. We got goofy. We got them all running around. We've got them in the parade. We've got them doing everything. I sit down and I say, okay. Because I always do this at the end of a trip. I always ask my kids, my grandkids. What did you love? What did you learn? Well, it's so good. Always. Because experiences 2nd the best teacher. You know, it's evaluated experience. Okay. All five of my grandchildren, what did you love? Goofy, Mickey Mouse, prayed, papa. 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Government, business education, media arts, family, religion, 2nd and health. Okay. Now, these are the eight streams of influence. Yeah. We only go into the country when we get permission from the top of those people. And and here's what's key. So the president says we want you to come in. We say, well to the president, will you and your cabinet go through transformation we say, well, to the president, Will you and your cabinet go through transformation tables? Yeah. With the with the Supreme Court Justice, I said now, were you in your supreme were you were you at start a transformation table? and we go rising top. And, and if they won't, we vet countries and we don't go because, because they 2nd and and if they won't, we vet countries we don't go because because they won't here's what we found. I have I have seven companies, but one of my companies is is a is a leadership training company. And and and what here's what we discovered. This is huge. The major difference between success and failure in a company when we're doing leadership training with them, there there's one indicator we can tell it on day one whether they're going make it or not. There's one indicator of whether it's going to be a successful or not, and here it is. When the leaders buy into the program, and they go to the program themselves. It's gonna be successful. Interesting. If they have the program, pay all the money and resources, and send their people, it's not gonna go. People do what people see. Mhmm. And so the buy in is the fact that in those eight streams, at the very top, they say, yes, and they get involved. Now, what does influence do? Influence just filters down. Got it. Through the whole country. Got and to the whole culture. Very good. And so what so what no matter what stream of your listeners are with me on right today, no matter what stream they're in, this really works. And and I'm gonna give you one example. I can give you a hundred, but I'm gonna give you one. It that's the in in Guatemala, We've been doing transformation tables, teaching values to the second largest bank in the country. It has ten thousand employees. Okay? So it's a big back. Mhmm. So the CEO, after they've done this for two years, the CEO asked me to come down and he said, I have two thousand of our clients that I'm bringing together. And I want you to talk to them about change your world and transformation, tables, and values, because he said, it's so changed our And I want you to talk to them about changing world and transformation tables and values because he said, is soap changed our company. I want I wanna help our clients. And so I said, I would. So he introduces me two thousand clients out there. And here's what he says. For two years, we've been doing transformation tables in our business. Three positive outcomes. Number one, our bottom line, the profit better than it's ever been by in fact, he said it increased thirty six percent last year. Now why did the bottom line do so well? We teach values -- Yeah. -- hard work, industry, honest integrity, teamwork. His employees are are are learning all these values all of a sudden they start to to live them and embrace them. Now bottom line profit. Number one number two, he said, We now have a leadership culture in our company. He said, we do have a leadership culture here. There you go. He said, and where did they get their leaders in the He said, and where did they get their leaders in the tables? Because and if you're not at a table, One week, you'll you'll facilitate that table, and you'll take whatever value that comes up. Next week, the person beside you facilitates it. 2nd we go we we we passed the leadership baton around, and and how do you develop leaders by practicing leaders? How do you know you have leaders by watching them practice? Very good. And he said, all of a sudden leaders are popping he said all of sudden leaders are popping up. He said, we have more leaders now than we have positions for them. Now that's a pleasant thing to have. Nope. Number three. 2nd this is the one that really got me. So good. He said the families of our employees have beautifully changed. Mhmm. What are they doing? They're taking those values they've learned at work. by the way, every week, forty five minutes, they the banks all shut down. We do the tables on on on bank time. They go home to their families, say, here's what we're discussing this week bleeds right into the 2nd all of a sudden the family gets better. So good. That's why I love what this work this is okay. I wrote a book, but I I I'm wanting to create a movement. Yeah. And that's what I'm passionate about. It's it's and and movements don't start with the mask. They start with them few. Know, mass movements never started with a mask. When Gandhi prison started going to the by the time he got to the sea, he had a million, but he only had six with him in the beginning. So crazy. Let's let's hey, he just had one transformation table in the beginning. Yeah. And by the time he got there, he had million and we think we have the possibility through this book to to start a positive movement of of values, learning, living, and embracing, and and and that's gonna be 2nd the way that you do it, John, is worth see, I think watching what John's doing, not only in the content, but the way in which he's creating the movement. So for me, I I don't always just watch the execution. I also watch the the ex the person executing. I shouldn't say executioner, but the person doing the executing. one of things you talk about in the book, and I want people to go read the book, so only cover one or two more things in it. But the truth is, you talk about moving from me to we Yeah. And it's I think so many leaders unknowingly still sort of make what's happening about them. 2nd they're not cognizant enough of making it about the we. And I don't think any great movement has ever happened without a cause. And I don't know that enough business leaders are aware of turning their business into cause. And for me, I've done that in business. But when I read the book, I'm like, If I done that to my family, I'm the leader of my family, what's the cause of our family? What's our family's mission? That's why we just said about the cruise, we really made an impact on me. So, can you just speak to that a little bit? Yeah. I'll be glad too because I I think that we, you know, Steven Covey said begin with the end of mine. And and and and when I wrote intentional living, it was whole the whole deal is most people accept their life instead of lead their life. so when we talk about this movement and what we're trying to create, first of all, it starts with credibility. A cause without credibility won't go anywhere. I I know a lot of people they have really good values and a really good cause but they're not credible. They can't say, but we've done it. And and and, you know, if I haven't done it, all I can do is tell. Yeah. But when I've done it, I can show and tell. 2nd show and tell is about a hundred to one more powerful than just tell. And and and so, you know, when when a lot of times books are tell, and there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, I love what you said about your imagination while ago, and I think so many people cut themselves short because they don't allow their imagination to take them to where their potential could be. But but what I do know is this, that the cause The cause has to be a positive cause that adds value to people. Let me just say, you can't sustain a movement out of negativity. We've got a lot of negativity in our country right got a lot of negativity in our country right now. You can't sustain negativity. It it it people wear out with there's only so I there's only much I could only curse the darkness so long. Yeah. III mean, until okay. Now I've cursed the darkness, and it's really dark, and we've cursed a lot, and it's nothing's happened. Hey. Hey. This book is quick cursing the darkness. And goes turn on the light. Oh. This is a turn on the light book. This is a turn on the light movement. other words, you gotta be four something. The moment that you're for something that catch this adds value to the people. This is not a movement that adds value to me. When you talked about me to me a moment ago, Ed, you're so right on, my friend. You're so right on. The vision never is sustaining if it's about me. I mean, if I'm saying, Hey, join my I mean, if I'm saying, hey, join my team. Hey, come on into my hey, get into my coaching company. Hey, get, you know, get on my leadership train. Well, how many minds do you need to hear before you sit there and say, boy, you know, I think I I think I'm John Slab here. III think, you know, No. No. No. It's The first thing that happens to happen is that you've gotta take the vision from me to we. And the vision works. When all of a sudden you're not talking about John Maxwell's when all of a sudden, you're not talking about John Maxwell's book. You when you go to your friends, you say, let me tell something. This book helped me. Now, it's contagious. It now has legs. It's it's not like, well, John has a book out here. No. No. They don't care about John Maxwell. They care about the fact that it's helped you. Now that it's helped you, you there's a difference between being a vision caster and being a vision carrier. What have your attention? You can just cast you know, oh, well, this is good. Old, throw that out, cast that old. Throw that out. Cast that out. You know, here we go. The moment you're a carrier, You cast the vision by Casa who you are. You're so stinking, contagious that everybody catches it. They catch it because You won't let him not catch it. You won't shut up about You won't shut up about it. You be and why? Because it's you. It's changed you. And all of a sudden, it's made a difference in Ed's life. Not Maxwell's life. It's not about me. It's all about you. And when you go to your group, you know, Friday night, 2nd you go bring that book you start sharing what it's helping you do, connected all of a sudden they're in the game. They're in the game. Okay. No, sir. I'm I'm listening to you. I'm just thinking, you know, you're such a treasure. I I don't you know, and I don't mean to just I'm just speaking what I feel when I talk with you. And I'm curious, John. So by the way, what you just said, I have to just add one thing to. I recently interviewed Martin Luther King the third. we're talking obviously a lot of us. Does dad create just this little movement? You know, only one of the greatest movements in the last hundred years, probably arguably the greatest movement in last hundred years. I was golfing this week with a buddy of mine, and he goes, that guy was Martin Luther King was awesome. He was against racism. I said, that's not right. He was for equality. He was for He was for justice. He was for unity. You don't create a movement that lasts this long being against something. There's nothing wrong with having an adversary that you're against. But Jesus Christ's great movement wasn't just against the adversary. It was for our salvation. If you're a person of faith, that's what endures. And so I just want to second that, but when I look at you, we are going to talk about John Maxwell for a And so just wanna second that. But when I look at you, we are gonna talk about John Maxwell for a second. I'm listening to this man who's been at this for more than one decade, put it put mildly. 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To sustain that level of what's the what's the mechanism that drives you you to stay at this level or even keep getting better. I I love the questions you ask. I mean, you go right to my heart every time. First of all, I am getting better. I am at the top. I gave that. I'm I turned seventy four. Saturday, February twenty. So III turned seventy four. So, okay. I'm gonna get this. And I'm in my best days. But my best days today are because when I was in my twenties, I had a mentor share with me that growth was not automatic. Then if I was gonna personally grow, I was gonna have to dig for it and be intentional in it. And that getting older is automatic, getting better is not. And so once I understood the difference, I said, okay, I've gotta get a game plan for my personal growth than I did. And and my game plan for personal growth over years has been quite simple. It's just it's it's deals around REAL relationships equipping attitude and leadership. Mhmm. And And if you'll read my books, almost all my books are either in relationship equipping attitude or leadership category. And and I did that because I came to the conclusion at twenty seven, then if I could teach people how to do those four things really well, they could pretty much be successful in any kind of venture that they have. Because, I mean, if you're good with people, relationally, if you know how to equip people and build yourself a team, if you know if you got an attitude that can handle COVID-nineteen 2nd and adversity. And if you and if you can lead and influence people, pretty much you're in in the game of success. So I said every day I'm gonna learn how to relate better, equip better, attitude better, lead better. I'm I'm gonna live in this world. And and and I I didn't become goal oriented. I became more values oriented. I think this is difference. I'm not I'm not opposed to goal oriented at all. Yep. I But I'm gonna tell you something. If your growth oriented, you'll hit all your goals. That's right. But if your goal oriented did not growth oriented. Every time you hit a goal, you know what you do, you go into the game. What's next? Okay. Now what do do? I, do? I Okay. I just made this much money. Oh my gosh. I okay. I got this position okay. I bought that house. Now, what do I do? And and and to take though, what do I do out of your life? Just begin to grow. Now, stay right with me. What happens because I grow and I have done this for we're about fifty years now on it. I have increased my growth capacity. This is where people miss. My growth capacity is humongous. It's like going to the gym. Hey, you you increase physical pass. It's it's it's it's like reading, you increase mental capacity. Well, I've increased growth capacity. My growth capacity is much larger than most. People's not because I'm smarter than most people it's because I've been doing it for 50 people. It's not because I'm smarter than most people. It's because I've been doing it for fifty years. I've got a I've got a long runway. Now, So my growth capacity allows me to grow more faster and compound it more than other people. Because consistency compounds. Yeah. So at this stage of the game, everything I touch gets bigger and better but it's because my capacity is growing. Now, put on top of that, I don't think there's a finish line. So I'm not running a finite game. Now, you know, Simon Senate wrote a great book called The Infinite Game. It's a phenomenal book. He's a good friend. 2nd it's a great game. And and basically, Simon, I I'm gonna write a book. And I was already gonna write it before Simon's. And now I told Simon, I'm gonna write it and just make it better than his. But but But I I I'm gonna write a book. I I'm kidding. He he's a phenomenal writer. I I'm gonna write a book entitled Is there a Finish Line? Oh, so And for and and for most people, the answer is yes. Mhmm. Most people have what I call a self imposed finish line. When I get to this age, I'm gonna quit. But when I make this much money, I'm gonna quit. And and and and so they they they they put their lines out there. Now, if I put a finish line out there, you know, I'm I'm seventy four. I'm gonna I'm gonna quit. I'm not gonna work anymore. Okay? Whatever. What what people don't understand is when you cross that self imposed finish line, guess what? You're finished. You're finished. It's over. But if you live with no finish line, It's never over. What does that do? That keeps me in the game. Wow. It keeps me excited about what's happening because I'm never gonna finish. I'm gonna die. By the way, when I came into the game, the game was already started. didn't start the game. Right. And and it stuck it's certainly going to not end when I leave it. mean, you know, I tell people when they think that they're indispensable. I say, die and just find out how good are we gonna get along without you. I mean, my gosh. Nobody's indispensable. So so it's okay. So but what this allows me to do is it allows me to stay fresh It say it allows me to ask questions. It allows me to stay curious. Be because I understand my growth capacity is great. 2nd I'm playing in a game that never is finished. I gotta tell you. Well, John, in my career doing this, that's one of my favorite answers of all time. Of anything I've ever asked somebody, for all of you leaders out there, well, not having to finish line. You know, I I put a couple in my life on self post finish lines. And as I got closer to it, I just evaporated I just quit doing it. Now I've sort of decided to be the way that you are, but the other thing that gives you hope is that as you work on growing yourself, you increase your capacity to grow even more. I've never heard that said before. I've I've never heard that said before, but I've got to be Yeah. That's more more fire because I have experienced that trying to keep my Mylett, but I've experienced that in my own life. Like, my capacity to grow exponentially is much greater now than it was even ten years ago because I've been growing. never really thought, I think we think the reverse. Well, I've grown so much. There's just not that much more to go. But that's it's the reverse. That's brilliant. It's it's it's totally different. The more you grow, the more you have to grow. The more it's it's like the more you know the more you know, you know what? The more you know the more you know you don't know. That's so true. Yeah. The only people that the only people that think they know something are people who know nothing. I know that's so true. And the the only people that it it thinks that they've stop going to people that never grew. It's so true. Is there something You can ask you a very hard question. Go ahead. You can ask you a hard question. If you Well, I I may not be able to answer it, but you could ask it. What did you oh, through all this growth? Is there something that you used to believe about leadership to be true that you no longer do, that you've you've evolved out of that belief system. Is there you're making your face like there's a lot? We could do an We could do an hour. Let let me tell you something. If you really are growing, you know, Gandhi talked about a false position 2nd his false position basically was that you try to hold on if you're growing, growth means change. Which means you can't hold on to things that you one time thought were true or you believed because you're evolving and you're getting better. I Mylett put it this way. When I was twenty five, I had a lot of certainties. At seventy four, I have very few. Interesting. Yeah. Let's see. Because because life has taught me that it's not always black and white. It's not either or. It's not it it it's many times combination. And and but now here's what's beautiful. I have less I I if if I had a thousand certainties at twenty four, at seventy four, I have ten. Okay? But can I say something about those ten? Mm-mm. I'm more certain about those ten than I ever have been before. They've been tested. And can I tell you something? A certainty that hasn't been tested can't be trusted. so and so this whole process of growth means I am not the same so people that knew me twenty years It's like it's like the guy who came up to me. I was speaking to the conference he said, oh my gosh. This was amazing. He said, I wish you I could have heard you twenty years ago. And I Mylett, I said, no, you know. And he said, oh, no. No. He said, I I wish I got hurt you. I said, no, you don't. And he said, well, If I would have heard twenty years ago what I heard today, he said it would have changed my life. I said if you would have heard me twenty years ago, you would have heard what you're heard today. That's awesome. That's so good. I'm growing. growing. I'm evolving. I wasn't I didn't come out of my mother's womb with the twenty one irrefutable awesome leadership. Right. Right. It's a it's a process. Does that make sense? Totally make sense. And I think everyone listening should be gaining hope from this. That if you start on this journey of establishing your values and getting people sitting at the table with you and being a a possibleist 2nd committing to be in a grower getting to that place where people believe you can help them that they can trust you. And these things are crisis, and for me to hear about the finish line today is something that I needed to evaluate. There's just so many things. Go ahead. Could I tell you a quick story? Yes, please. Oh, okay. Okay. It's it's about the finish line because you said something about you had a couple finish lines that were kinda self posed they got there, they faded. me tell you. Because I could tell you, see, what I really love which what I have time is to talk about all the mistakes, failures, and stupid things that I've done because I I've often said, if you wanna hear my success, we can that today. If you want to hear about my stupidity, this is gonna be a week If you wanna hear about my stupidity, this will be a weak series. And and and and and so I would tell you I would Mylett me tell you real I had I had read this story about this guy that was a radio ham operator and he said something about he had taken the last marble out of his basket. And the basic story was that he put, like, five years of marbles for every week 2nd every week he'd go and he'd take a marble out he was in the countdown. And and this morning, I took my last marble out of my basket. And and I thought, oh my gosh. I think because I was wanting to turn the companies over to Mark Cole, and and I was wanting to pass on a lot of stuff. I said, I I wanna get me AAAA jar. So that you could and you could see these marbles. And and I put in, like, three and a half years of marbles, I and I told Mark, I told the whole 2nd three and a half years, I'm gone. So just understand this. It's it's over. Okay? And and and and so every every week, I'd say, Mark, you take a marble out of that, you know, here comes the here's the marble start going smaller and smaller. Now how stupid. Stupid. Stupid can you meet me? And so 2nd it was true. Can I taste I tell you so? it? I'll tell you how stupid I tell how stupid I was. I was losing my marble. Okay? That sounds good. That's so good. 2nd I get I literally get in front of of a lot of the people who knew me well, and I had this big jar of marbles up here. And they'd heard the marble story. 2nd I said, I just want you to know, I was so stupid. I was so wrong. I've been I mean, who wants to live their life by Cape Canaveral in a countdown. You know what I'm saying? I mean, who wants to do it? And and I picked up that. I'll never forget. I took that jar of marbles and I just threw them on the floor and they just bounced I took that that jar of 2nd I just threw them on the floor. He did. And they just bounced everywhere. And I told him I said, I'm never gonna do this to me again. I'm not an account down I'm only in a make your life count mode. And and IIII people today that are on my team to say, I'll never forget the day you lost your marbles. that's wonderful. There's no finish line. There's no no I I'm gonna lift till I die and not get the too confused. Oh, gosh. I'd love you. I wish there was no finish line for this conversation. It it I I don't want there to be. There isn't for you and I, but there will be for the audience. And I just I just love you, and I just think you're incredible. You make me think. You make me laugh. You make me passionate. You increase my faith. I wanna be more like you. I'm gonna ask you a final question. But before I do, I just wanna say this again, Guys, go get this book. Change your world, John Maxwell, Maxwell, Rob Hoskins. And you just can see, we've touched on. We've scratched the surface of what's in this book. And it will change your world if you do the things in this book. I can't express that enough. What I'd like you to do last John is I know everybody's hearing these things and we've covered a lot of very practical things to What I'd like you to do last John is I know everybody's hearing these things, and we've covered a lot of very practical things to do. But I think lastly, people listening to this are saying, you know, I need a little hope. I need you talked about hope a great deal in the book by the way. And III heard you say in the beginning anybody can change your life. I wanna go back to that lastly. Is there some if if I walked into you, I ran into you in Starbucks, and I said, mister Max, well, I've I've lost my business the last year. I've lost my family. I've lost all my money. I've gained a bunch of weight. I I'm a little bit in despair right now. 2nd I'm a good man or I'm a good woman. And I'd like to make a difference in my world and maybe eventually the world. What would you say just lastly, parting words to someone who asked you that question? That's great question. I, I said it, the first part of the book, ed, I wrote these words that the people will read when they pick it I I said it to the first part of the book, Ed. I I wrote these words that the people will read when they pick it up. Hope has two beautiful daughters. Anger, encourage. Anger at the way things are. Encourage to make a difference I would tell people hope has to have anger. You have to be discontented with where you are. You you you can't be a no change happen in a comfort zone. Mhmm. In fact, everything COVID was wonderful. COVID nineteen was wonderful. In the fact that it got everybody out the comfort zone. Everything a person wants or everything person needs, but they don't have is outside of comfort zone. If it was in their comfort zone, they don't really have it. 2nd so so this is huge. So is this you you gotta have anger. You gotta say, I'm disturbed. I'm not where I want to be. I don't like this position. This is that's a healthy anger. That's a healthy anger because that's that stirs you out of the comfort zone then you have to have courage. To go into new territory where you've never been before walk. That's why I love the book. I'm taking people on a tour with this book. In other words, if you'll have the courage to change your world, you say, I've never changed anything in my life. I I already changed my bed. Okay. If if if if you're willing to walk in this new virgin territory for you, I will walk with you. 2nd I'll make sure that you get to the end. And for the first time, maybe in your life, you'll say, I did something that was really positive that made difference someone else's life, and that's where fulfillment comes in. Mhmm. So it takes it takes anger and courage. And and you can't if anger without courage, you curse the darkness. Courage with the anger is is you won't you won't pay the price. You gotta have them both. I love you. I love you. Miraculous. And And remember, you still are supposed still sometime to play golf with me and Jack remember you. You're still you are supposed still sometime to play golf with me and Jack Nicholas. I you know, once we get these vaccines all out, there. I'm a I can't express to you how much I'm looking forward to that. I'll hold a place for you next year, but I love a place for you next year, but I I love you. And thanks for having me And thanks for having me again. Mylett do it again. We will. I can't I can't imagine wanting somebody to come back on more than I want you to come back on third time. So thank you, and everybody today. Share this. You know today, you wanna share this one. So share this with people that you love, that you care about, that you're leading, that inspire you, and and that you want to inspire. And so God bless you all. Max out. This

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