For this week's episode, we travel to Richmond, VA to meet returning guest Devon Jones and longtime collaborator first-time guest Brett Berman. We discuss playing and recording in Richmond, ways to focus on creative work, shifting between different genres, personal motivations behind songs, and Brett's amazing house.

We also debut previously-unreleased material from Brett and Devon.

Songs included:

Pain Points - Little Nothing

Brett Berman and Matt Borchert - whatever you want to do

Cazador - Cerveza

Comaboo - Morning Light

Jenson Dove - Truth Reversed

Devon Jones' musical projects:

https://soundcloud.com/comaboorva

https://painpoints.bandcamp.com

https://soundcloud.com/gutterhome

https://soundcloud.com/jenson-dove

Brett Berman's musical projects:

https://soundcloud.com/brettberman

https://brettberman.bandcamp.com

https://cazadorband.bandcamp.com