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Hey, this is Ari. Welcome back to

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the show. With me today is Barton

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Scott, who is a chemical engineer, nutrition

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expert and founder of Upgraded Formulas. And

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he is going to be talking all about his

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area of expertise, which is

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minerals and their relationship to

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human health, disease, longevity, and

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human performance. So think brain

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function, mood, energy levels, and

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so on. Lots of

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very interesting insights here, and I hope you enjoy

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it. Barton, welcome to the show. Hey,

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Ari. Great to be on with you. So

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first of all, you have a

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unique interest in minerals and

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health more broadly, but minerals

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specifically. So how did that come

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about? How did you go from being

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a chemical engineer to

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developing this interest in health and

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then developing an interest in minerals

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specifically as it pertains to human

1:02

health? Like

1:04

most people, it seems

1:07

in health that are they're really

1:09

passionate about things. It's just absolute

1:11

necessity, really. So I, a

1:14

short synopsis.

1:16

People can see a full video

1:18

that's on the website, but my

1:21

family was really close, luckily,

1:26

growing up. And my

1:28

mom, by the time she was in her early 60s, was

1:31

retired and starting to have some health conditions.

1:33

And she had been both my parents

1:35

were educators. And we're

1:38

living in like coastal Louisiana. And

1:41

it's a great place to grow up. I had

1:44

a lot of time outdoors. I was in sports

1:47

and the combination of that,

1:49

like trying to get her well, and also growing

1:51

up with among other

1:53

sports wrestling and the

1:56

knowledge of nutrition in

1:58

wrestling being. just

2:00

so clear. In team

2:03

sports, not as much,

2:05

right? But when

2:07

there's no breaks and you're making weight

2:09

and you're thinking about how

2:12

much you weigh and what weight class you'll be in

2:14

and how you're going to weigh

2:16

in this Saturday, but also for the dual

2:18

meet in a few hours and then how

2:21

your energy gets consumed. And

2:27

something like a Snickers, even

2:29

at nine when

2:32

I was competing, starting early in life. And

2:34

it was just very

2:36

obvious, like, wow, food makes

2:38

a lot of difference. Oh, supplements are starting

2:40

to come online late 90s, you know, I'm

2:43

36 now. And seeing that

2:45

sort of that difference, you know,

2:48

like, wow, okay, made a big difference.

2:51

You know, a burger like,

2:53

just like the burger part, meat,

2:57

just meat and sweet potato versus

2:59

like, something different. Yeah, I'm like,

3:01

wow, okay, that's a big difference. So

3:03

like that, that thinking started, I think it

3:05

was pretty rare for most people in the

3:07

late 90s, but I'm starting to

3:10

mold my worldview this way and then food

3:12

timing. All right, well, about to get on

3:14

the map, just how to match

3:16

going to have a match again in an

3:18

hour, like, is there time to eat? Oh,

3:20

there, you know, if so, what do you

3:22

eat? So I started thinking about

3:24

this. And then I developed as a result, a lot

3:26

of deficiencies because of it. So by the time I

3:28

was 22, as I was really

3:31

deep into nutrition, feel like probably

3:33

was able to help my mother more than

3:37

honestly, anyone else, but ultimately, it wasn't enough.

3:40

And towards her late 60s, she

3:42

passes. And, you know,

3:44

being at peace with with something like that

3:46

is one thing, but like not being motivated

3:48

by it is almost not a choice. And,

3:51

you know, no one likes

3:53

to feel helpless, no one likes to feel like

3:55

they don't, they can't help the people

3:57

closest to them, they can't, you know, like we're talking

4:00

about before the call, fertility

4:02

down with something that I care about a lot. And

4:05

so finding testing that

4:08

showed us what was actionable of

4:10

always, I think you're this way

4:12

too, very pragmatic, just super pragmatic

4:15

about like, let's just address the

4:17

problems. Let's first figure out

4:19

what the hell we're working on and then

4:21

let's throw

4:23

everything at it. And if we don't have

4:25

something that works, then it's obviously

4:27

time to like think deeply on this

4:29

and innovate. So, so yeah,

4:32

that's, that's how we got into minerals. And

4:34

then ultimately I learned that from that point

4:37

to now that the absorption

4:40

of the products we were

4:43

trying just was not very effective. And

4:46

so the deficiencies were staying from one test to

4:48

another. We tried a lot of different tests and

4:50

a lot of money trying to get her well,

4:53

even outside of the conventional world. And then I

4:55

had a ton of brain fog as that was

4:57

happening, as she was getting worse, as she was

5:00

passing, it was just kind of all a blur.

5:02

But yeah,

5:05

like I started to notice,

5:07

okay, I need to get well

5:09

too. And like, what's clearly

5:12

everyone needs this. My

5:14

deficiencies aren't changing. Hers

5:17

aren't and I'm in my twenties at

5:19

the time, early twenties, she's in her

5:21

late sixties. So yeah, that's

5:24

at least a bit of a backstory kind

5:26

of on, on fast forward. Okay.

5:29

So, so how did, how did

5:31

this evolve into a focus on

5:33

minerals specifically? Yeah,

5:35

great question. So like I

5:38

said, we're, we're trying a lot of different tests,

5:40

right? A lot of different types of

5:42

tests. A lot were coming

5:44

back normal, which we know now is like

5:47

not a surprise for going to the conventional

5:49

group. But even in a

5:51

non-dimensional route, there was not a ton of

5:54

really clear actionable. Here's

5:56

what to do. Like here's this big gap right here and

5:58

we got to figure out. You. Know

6:01

what's going on Now if we ran some of

6:03

the test that that I've gotten myself. These.

6:05

Days and do yearly are multi

6:07

mobile times a year. That

6:10

wouldn't be the case I'm sure I'll

6:12

but one that the real test that

6:14

we found then that was super effective

6:16

in luck live found they are factor

6:18

sure that new a lot and we

6:21

were going in person early early my

6:23

twenties and and really happy my eyes

6:25

open. Because he was muscle tough

6:27

thing I never seen that before and he

6:29

was using. As from South

6:32

Africa any just was super knowledgeable.

6:34

This guy think he's retired now

6:36

and than. Death. Seeing.

6:39

What? I saw there was super

6:41

eye opening that was a

6:43

hair analysis and then seeing

6:45

the intricacies of that the

6:47

he understood that. He.

6:49

A few people looking at the test

6:51

understood it. It was is really sort

6:53

of like mesmerizing to me. And.

6:55

Just in and of itself because our

6:58

it had a minor chemistry of us

7:00

about finished and one generic size. pretty

7:02

familiar with a periodic table and organic

7:04

chemistry in a just a lotta different.

7:06

A lie, different things. And then I

7:08

would have seen the connection between bad

7:10

and Christian. But seeing this gap where

7:13

near chemists look at an end product.

7:16

You have engineers are responsible for

7:18

building the manufacturing processes around the

7:20

world. And then yeah,

7:22

nutritious sort of deal with the

7:24

they paint with the colors are

7:26

given. And their the out. They.

7:30

They do their best, but they have their needs

7:32

to be an inner and interweaving of all of

7:34

them is what I noticed. That.

7:38

Led to today. Okay, So.

7:41

Ah, there's a lot to talk about

7:43

within the realm of minerals. Maybe.

7:47

This might be an interesting starting point to

7:49

the to get into this. One.

7:52

Guess that of Adams, shall I think? Maybe.

7:55

Three times. At least Two times.

7:57

is Morally Robbins man, He said.

8:00

focus on copper. I'm sure you're familiar with

8:02

him, given he's kind of

8:05

all about minerals also. I'm

8:08

curious what you think of his

8:11

take on human health as it

8:13

pertains to minerals and copper in

8:15

particular is his focus. I

8:19

think he's done an amazing job of

8:22

compiling some great, very essential

8:26

knowledge and research.

8:29

I'm definitely on

8:33

the side of us most

8:36

likely needing copper because,

8:38

and when I say us, I

8:40

mean most people, but

8:42

especially people with

8:45

certainty, almost without testing, if someone

8:47

is consuming a normal

8:50

American diet or a normal, pretty much

8:52

anywhere these days

8:54

because anywhere you go in

8:57

the world, even Japan now, they

8:59

had a blue zone that's now

9:01

eroded because McDonald's and other companies

9:03

moved in and it's just not

9:05

considered a blue zone anymore. I'm

9:07

currently in a rapidly shrinking blue

9:10

zone in

9:12

Nicoya, Costa Rica. Yeah, there

9:14

you go. So

9:18

iron fortification of foods is terrible.

9:21

The fact that you can run a magnet

9:23

across cereal brands

9:25

and pull out iron filings

9:28

is so alarming. Just

9:31

generally, I would say that, yeah,

9:36

it absolutely is not an opinion

9:38

that we are energy

9:41

deficient. Most people that come to

9:43

us that work with us, if

9:46

you are doing your programs, also

9:48

are complaining about fatigue as a number

9:50

one symptom, even if they're fit, even

9:52

if they have a six pack, even

9:54

if X, Y, and Z, if

9:57

they're the healthiest person in their friend group. So

10:01

that's been a sort of battle my

10:03

whole life and we make a copper

10:06

supplement. I take it pretty

10:08

much nailing now. I

10:10

didn't always, but yeah,

10:12

people like Morley

10:14

and other

10:18

things I've found on my own have

10:20

pointed this way and other people that

10:22

I've interviewed have asked questions about, hey,

10:24

copper and like I'm trying this,

10:26

I'm stacking it with this and that and even

10:28

if I wasn't doing that already, it's like it

10:30

just it's been a cool thing

10:32

to sort of like guide you back on track

10:35

when you're focused on other things. The

10:37

main thing I would say is that the

10:40

focus on minerals and

10:43

heavy metals is really key for

10:45

everyone no matter what the

10:47

budget is, no matter what

10:51

other available tests and technologies there

10:53

are. Right now I have a

10:55

red light on. I think you have a book

10:57

on red light. There's

10:59

a lot of, I mean it's

11:01

not a question. It's kind of like gravity. It's

11:03

just a matter of what are you going to

11:05

do with it? It's like gravity exists. You

11:08

really believe about it when you're

11:10

standing on the rooftop and you're

11:13

blindfolded and you're asked to walk around in

11:15

a big circle. That's sort of

11:17

like what we're doing from

11:19

my point of view of when we're not testing

11:22

regularly. We're

11:25

really blindfolded and we don't realize the

11:27

consequences. We don't realize that we're

11:29

standing on the roof and it's a long

11:31

ways down and it's elements.

11:34

It's a periodic table that is behaving

11:36

just like gravity in our lives. It's

11:39

just not quite as evident and

11:43

yet it's a root

11:45

cause in every

11:47

illness for sure. I think

11:50

that's just, the more you

11:52

understand it the more clear that becomes. So

11:55

let me zoom out to

11:57

kind of the meta level context.

12:00

for a minute and then we'll zoom back

12:02

into minerals from there. I want

12:04

you to help me zoom back in. So

12:07

big picture context, so we can look

12:09

at a lot of the modern

12:13

epidemics of human health problems that

12:17

are really unique to

12:20

the last 75 years or

12:22

so in

12:24

specifically the Western world

12:27

or the modernizing world

12:29

that is becoming Westernized

12:31

in terms of diet

12:33

and lifestyle. And we

12:35

have diseases what are called sometimes

12:38

called the chronic diseases of

12:40

aging or sometimes called the

12:42

chronic diseases of lifestyle or

12:44

of civilization. These include

12:47

things like obesity, diabetes, heart

12:49

disease, cancer, dementia

12:52

and Alzheimer's and

12:56

several other stroke and cerebrovascular

12:58

disease and so on. Of

13:04

these non-communicable diseases,

13:06

these chronic diseases of lifestyle,

13:10

this represents about 80% of

13:12

the chronic disease burden

13:15

and the causes of

13:17

these conditions are

13:21

pretty well established for the most

13:24

part. So

13:26

we know things like eating

13:29

a processed food diet is a very strong

13:32

factor in this. We know that lack

13:34

of physical activity and sedentary time

13:37

are a big, big factor in this and

13:40

we know this from thousands

13:43

of studies but we

13:45

know it from the mechanistic level to

13:47

the epidemiological level. We

13:50

have the evidence to show this. We know

13:52

that Circadian

13:54

rhythm disruption due to artificial light exposure at

13:56

night is a big factor in this. We

13:58

Know that even things like. That we

14:00

we take for granted. we don't

14:02

even really talk about anymore because

14:04

a prenup old school like smoking

14:07

and drinking alcohol are are great

14:09

players and those epidemics. I'm

14:11

There's research showing that about eighty

14:14

percent of the overall disease burden

14:16

can be. Eliminated

14:18

just through. Like.

14:20

People taking very basic

14:22

steps, Much. More basic than

14:25

what I teach as far as

14:27

lifestyle, but the most basic steps

14:29

as far as eating a reasonably

14:31

healthy diet that you know mostly

14:33

devoid of processed junk food. Refined

14:36

sugar and and and other refined

14:38

foods are not smoking, minimizing alcohol

14:40

consumption and having some base level

14:42

of his galactic like the most

14:45

basic healthy habits you can imagine.

14:48

I'm given context that so much

14:51

of our modern disease burden is

14:53

a result of. Modern My style

14:55

have you end up focusing and

14:57

a zeroing in on minerals as

14:59

the key player that we should

15:01

be focused on. Him:

15:04

Yeah, Great crash. Why? First,

15:06

I really like that framework.

15:10

And I I, I hope. You.

15:13

As. You listening to those that the

15:15

you. Acknowledge that. It's

15:18

it's. great that the controllers in your

15:20

hands. I.

15:23

Would say. Just. That

15:25

I would. My. Only thing is that

15:27

I wouldn't, if anything, just push it even

15:29

further and say that just. For.

15:31

Anyone out there that is the of

15:34

may be. Fearful because they've

15:36

been labeled with. Whatever

15:39

it is, Whatever. Lack of

15:41

ease. It is on. it's

15:43

called. Who that. One.

15:46

Way or another. We really sad,

15:48

sat down and and looked at

15:50

it we could. We could trace

15:52

it back in part to some

15:54

sort of might be of mitochondrial

15:56

issue. Is that is and

15:58

some wave length. So to

16:00

too much or something like iron

16:03

access. And. Or.

16:07

Or. Too little something. My copper

16:09

magnesium. And

16:12

many other things to read. I

16:14

knew I'd probably covered a good bit

16:16

of out with with Morley is as

16:19

well. so. Ah, I

16:22

mean but the these things need they

16:24

don't get talked about. a nearly enough.

16:27

Nearly enough, so. So.

16:30

That's. That. I

16:32

am units that part one or the

16:34

response and then ah what else we

16:36

we want to cover with that. So.

16:40

Imma I guess I'm asking you to make

16:43

the case. That minerals

16:45

are a key player in

16:47

what in the how? fast

16:49

reflecting? Oh yeah at wrestling.

16:52

Sure, Absolutely so. The

16:55

the realization. And.

16:58

When you you know of a

17:00

of what the periodic Table really

17:03

means. Becomes

17:07

really crystallized when you think about

17:10

it long enough. Ego hurried, so

17:12

wait a minute. This periodic table

17:14

is the building block. Ah,

17:17

Everything on the planet that includes they're all

17:20

the to separate building blocks. As far as

17:22

we can we can measure we we all

17:24

agree on that no matter. What?

17:26

Or scientific background is what our

17:28

religion is hard, What our view

17:30

of the world as but essentially

17:33

that and and like soul. And

17:35

and that that makes up who we

17:37

are. And that

17:40

is the building block van of

17:42

hormones. And is

17:44

is and then. You. Know

17:46

when I f have given talks different

17:48

the out really around the world as

17:50

well and. Even.

17:52

When I know I have a lot of. Hormone

17:55

specialists in the room. In

17:57

our own. I'll ask people. So.

18:01

What are the I buy a show of?

18:03

And what? who can? Who can talk about

18:05

the building blocks of. These hormones

18:07

that you're optimizing that you're an

18:09

expert in. And. I, I

18:11

just it's it's not to poke the

18:13

bear so much as it is to

18:16

just alert people to the fact that

18:18

elements build everything and then to take

18:20

it one step further. when we're talking

18:22

about macros and we're talking about. Yell

18:25

any diet Quito Paleo weaken

18:27

the own. I'm on any

18:30

of it. More talking about

18:32

certain percentage of let's say

18:34

protein per per kilogram. Or

18:37

per pound and. We're

18:39

looking at that. we're going on, right? Well,

18:43

That's. Really important. And

18:45

then I ago at it's

18:47

protein, fat or carbs? any

18:49

macro. What? Are we looking at. What?

18:52

We're looking at ultimately is still a

18:54

collection of that periodic table. Into

18:57

a lot of very complex. And.

19:00

Combinations And that's that's how we

19:02

get everything so we see it

19:04

as. Were. Deal with a

19:07

dust of the universe on this planet in

19:09

this planet's collection of that. that is what

19:11

we call a periodic table. He

19:13

said to realize like oh I I guess

19:15

it's very important that since this is a

19:18

building block of everything from us to our.

19:20

Our math books then we. We should really

19:22

pay attention to us and give it a

19:24

real pretence and test for it. Multiple

19:27

ways. Not just with blood, not

19:29

and just with hair, not not

19:32

just with any one thing, but

19:34

have as many perspectives as possible.

19:37

Because it in office hours out

19:39

are more and more you think

19:42

about it the barry goes and.

19:45

You just realized everything's connected

19:47

and. And and there's a lot

19:49

of it, frankly that we still don't understand

19:52

all of his first admit that from what

19:54

I've learned, even in developing. Your.

19:56

A unique delivery system. with

20:00

some unique equipment, there's so much, because

20:03

we don't really understand what happens when you

20:05

say, for example,

20:08

put potassium in the body. Like what

20:10

really happens? Well, we know potassium is

20:12

needed for things like adrenal support, et

20:14

cetera, but really what's happening, you

20:16

know? And then when we mix multiple other

20:19

nutrients with it, what happens? It's

20:21

curious, it's interesting to think about, but we certainly have a long

20:23

way to go. So,

20:26

yeah. Why are people

20:28

in need of more minerals or

20:34

supplementing with minerals? What is going

20:36

on that has led to that

20:38

situation? There's

20:41

another great question. So a lot

20:43

of people would talk about food and

20:46

that the food just simply isn't what it used to

20:49

be. The soil is not what it used to be.

20:52

We talked about iron forification earlier. We

20:54

didn't talk about things

20:56

like glyphosate and how

20:59

that captures and

21:01

binds up minerals to copper, for

21:04

example, and how it causes

21:07

so many different issues. But minerals

21:10

are certainly missing from

21:12

our soil because we just

21:15

have the same crop year after year

21:17

after year, and that in

21:19

itself is just not

21:21

going to be good because it's like raping the

21:23

soil. You're taking the

21:26

same nutrients. When

21:28

you flip over a bag of organic

21:31

raw sunflower seeds, you see

21:34

all these different minerals and it's like a really

21:37

impressive list. And I wonder if we went and

21:39

tested that bag if it actually had those. I

21:42

would hope so, but if you're planting

21:44

that season in, season out, that same

21:46

sort of nutrient, I mean, at

21:48

some point the soil just doesn't have it because

21:51

of the lack of crop rotation and

21:54

maximizing profit. I

21:56

get it. I mean, we're voting with our dollar all the

21:58

time. I always encourage

22:00

people to do

22:03

all the things that seem like really obvious,

22:05

like eat organic every time,

22:07

like even if you feel like it's expensive, just

22:09

like suck it up and pay for it. And

22:15

so many other things, they were just like, you

22:18

can feel yourself lean one way or

22:20

another really and just think

22:23

long term, you know, for you, for the planet,

22:25

all of it. Because we're

22:27

all in this together. And

22:29

for better or for worse. So

22:33

those are a few thoughts. There's so many

22:35

things connected. For example, I did a really

22:37

advanced technique of

22:40

stimulation of muscle fiber in

22:43

my neck this past week. And

22:49

they talked about doing

22:51

a partnership with us because they know

22:53

firsthand that although their treatment

22:55

is very effective, it also depletes

22:58

magnesium from the body because they're

23:00

using current and using a very

23:02

low voltage device that's very effective.

23:05

So yeah, I mean,

23:07

there's there's just a daily use of

23:10

of our body as a machine, so

23:12

to speak, that has certain

23:14

requirements. And we have to make those requirements very

23:18

obvious to people so that they can understand

23:20

sort of like, hey, you're out

23:22

of gas, like here's the gas gauge. You're about to

23:24

run out of gas time to fill up and like

23:26

a clear way to know that a clear way to

23:28

fill up. And

23:31

that could certainly be improved. What

23:37

do you think are some of the key minerals that are

23:40

behind a lot of the

23:42

health issues that we're

23:44

suffering from today? Or maybe you could

23:47

take us through a few specific health

23:49

issues and common mineral imbalances or deficiencies

23:51

that relate to them. Sure.

23:55

The lack of focus

23:57

and anxiety, I think is a really problem. It's

24:00

something that, you

24:02

know, as COVID kicked off, I

24:06

knew it was going to be a real stressor for people. Just

24:09

the lack of community, feeling more

24:11

stressed. When you're more stressed,

24:15

just the speed at which you use

24:17

up these nutrients in your body goes

24:19

way, way up. So

24:21

all the things that buffer your

24:23

pH, like magnesium that's really precious

24:26

already, gets used at a faster

24:28

rate. So that's one for

24:30

sure. All your adrenal minerals, so

24:32

potassium, sodium, magnesium,

24:34

you know, to

24:36

balance blood sugar, depending on

24:39

the diet, get used up

24:41

a lot. Things

24:43

like keto can be really great for

24:45

people if they're making some transitions, and

24:47

it's also a lot like walking a

24:50

tight growth, in my opinion, when

24:52

it comes to electrolytes. So

24:57

there's always like a downside to everything.

25:00

And in the book that I'll

25:03

have coming out this year, there's

25:05

an acknowledgement made there that nutrition

25:07

really does become personality, and

25:12

that every diet eventually fails,

25:15

really, because we need

25:17

diet variation. It's similar to being

25:19

in that avocado orchard and

25:22

just, you know, year after year,

25:24

you know, or

25:27

that we're planting and reaping

25:29

from the same soil. And

25:32

maybe, you know, how are we taking

25:34

care to nurture the soil back to

25:36

the place it was? And

25:39

are we, you know, paying

25:42

any attention at all to it? So

25:46

I think better farming practices, this is a

25:48

big part of it, better harvesting

25:50

practices, management of

25:53

the entire food chain. A

25:56

lot of it, but the financial incentives have

25:58

to be there for people. to

26:00

have any product they want. So we have to

26:03

pay for it really. How

26:08

do you test for mineral imbalances? I

26:12

really love HAIR. I haven't seen

26:14

anything that gives me as much

26:16

data when tested well,

26:18

like a good lab. A lot

26:23

of people, I think there's really two

26:25

issues, or three.

26:27

One, there's not a better alternative for

26:30

looking at the efficiency that I've ever seen,

26:33

because blood, you know, we

26:36

use the spray for life blood. And I've

26:39

said for years that this is blood

26:42

is us on our best behavior. And

26:45

what does that really mean, right?

26:47

Well, it's just that our

26:49

body is really intelligent.

26:52

And it knows that if

26:54

our blood pH shifts just a little

26:56

bit, and this is also for a

26:58

partial answer to your previous question, you

27:00

get bone disease because what happens is

27:03

one of the places that the body

27:05

pulls these key minerals from, like calcium,

27:07

magnesium, etc., is from

27:09

bone. And then it buffers blood

27:12

pH if that, if someone's been eating

27:14

sugar chronically and their pH is off,

27:16

they've been an alcoholic, their pH is

27:18

off. And we

27:20

wonder how bone disease is so

27:22

prevalent and what to do about it. And then

27:24

people, unfortunately, throw things like calcium at it and

27:26

just make it worse, making the

27:28

ratio worse. So one

27:31

of the other reasons I love HAIR

27:33

is because we're seeing ratios really easily.

27:35

And we're testing for things like copper

27:37

that we're not even normally testing for

27:39

in blood. So

27:42

there's a couple of different issues all

27:44

at once there. Yeah.

27:48

So there's, it's been a

27:50

few years since I've

27:52

explored this research, so it's

27:55

possible that things have changed since then. But Last

28:00

I recall when I had

28:03

some friends who were very into

28:05

hair mineral analysis, and I remember exploring

28:07

the literature. First of all, I found shockingly

28:10

little in the way of scientific literature

28:12

on it. But what

28:14

was kind of most interesting to me is that

28:16

several of the experts that I knew that were

28:18

into hair mineral

28:20

analysis had different views on

28:23

how the data should be

28:25

interpreted. So one

28:27

person said such and such ratio means this

28:29

and this, and that you're deficient

28:31

in this and another person said no, that's wrong. It's

28:34

actually it actually means this and this and you're deficient

28:36

in this. So even

28:38

with the same set of data, different

28:40

experts have different ideas of how that

28:42

should be interpreted and what should

28:45

be done about it as far as

28:47

food and supplementation. Do you

28:49

have any thoughts on sort of making sense

28:51

of that confusion and

28:53

conflicting views? Yeah,

28:56

there I mean, there's a great book

28:58

called the psychology of money and they

29:00

talk about how

29:03

everyone's worldviews around

29:06

money get shaped about 80% of their worldview

29:08

or more get shaped by how they grew

29:10

up and what market they grew up in.

29:12

Was it was their inflation? Was there no

29:14

inflation this concept, right? And

29:16

and it's really interesting because the people like,

29:18

for example, the son of someone that did

29:21

incredibly well has a totally

29:24

different strategy and he does incredibly well and

29:26

they're born in different markets and

29:28

they they followed. One guy was like

29:30

very this made so much in the

29:32

bond market and

29:35

that wouldn't work today. Like, yeah, I just

29:37

would not. So the timing mattered and it

29:40

shaped the worldview a lot. So

29:42

it shapes our worldview a lot. Basically what

29:44

we're saying and we're acknowledging there is our

29:47

environment plays a bigger role in in

29:50

how we perceive the world and what we perceive to

29:52

be true. And it's really hard

29:55

to evaluate these truths. Right.

29:57

So just like meta, you know, meta, recognition,

30:00

like thinking about thinking here for

30:02

people. So this is a great concept that we're talking

30:04

about, right? Because you can apply this concept and this,

30:07

this like luminary aspect

30:10

of thought to anything that, that

30:12

you're like, trying to

30:14

make sense of, right. So

30:17

whenever we have people, especially that

30:19

are close to us, and especially that we respect,

30:22

and, and we see conflicting data

30:24

between them, we started to

30:26

think like, Oh, like the whole world's that

30:29

way. And they could just

30:31

be like the two out of the thousand,

30:33

realistically, we have no idea that

30:36

have this view. And, and maybe they're

30:38

not, maybe they are.

30:41

The, the

30:43

it's true, there's not nearly enough education

30:45

out there. And I put a course

30:47

together after piecing together as much information

30:50

as I could starting, you know, over a decade

30:52

ago in this area, because it really showed

30:55

me a lot. And

30:58

I just had an affinity for it with my

31:00

background chemistry. So yeah,

31:02

I mean, there, there's certainly older

31:07

data and people are, you know,

31:09

this is true also for med

31:11

school though, right. So unfortunately, it's

31:13

not even taught in med school.

31:15

And I, I can only reason

31:18

or speculate why that is.

31:20

But the reason I

31:22

keep coming back to is, well,

31:24

the natural proclivity of this is

31:26

to not recommend drugs, it's to

31:28

recommend, recommend resolving the deficiencies and

31:30

the imbalances. So we've done as

31:32

a company, I can also say

31:35

this from experience, more hair tests

31:37

than I'm sure any company

31:39

in the world at

31:41

this point, that's functioning today.

31:44

So we'll probably do 10,000 just this year.

31:47

And so we've seen patterns

31:49

that merge for sure. And we'll

31:52

do some some big analysis and I'm sure

31:55

contribute to the overall body of research. So

31:57

maybe a part two on

31:59

that when to have it so we can

32:01

really talk about like, hey, we looked at 10,000.

32:03

This is what we saw. So

32:07

that'll be really interesting because I'm all

32:10

about like, hey, whatever wins, right? Let's,

32:12

you know, if I was, you know,

32:14

we're making our best decision now and

32:16

we're going to continually update. And I

32:18

think that's how you process life as

32:21

well. You obviously

32:23

have to make a decision now with

32:25

whatever is best available, you move forward

32:27

and then you stay open to information.

32:29

And I think that's what

32:32

brilliant people do. They have the neuroplasticity

32:34

and the strength

32:36

of will, but the, I

32:39

don't know, awareness of ego, I guess you could say, to

32:41

do that. And so

32:43

that's, I mean, look, you know,

32:45

that's where I'm at on this too. So there's

32:47

a lot of like, I

32:49

could go line by line and kind of give

32:52

you my opinion on anything that there was a

32:54

question on. I know it's been, like you said,

32:56

years since perhaps that you had

32:58

this conversation. So wouldn't expect

33:00

you ever call like, you know, detail, but

33:02

if there is anything, yeah, we could talk

33:04

about that. But just generally, I

33:06

would say what I'm really trying to expand

33:08

it too is that this is a concept

33:11

that first of all needs to be talked

33:13

about because it's not even taught in med

33:16

school, which is super unfortunate because we're made

33:18

of this stuff and blood is obviously

33:21

not going to show a deficiency

33:23

easily when we understand the mechanisms

33:25

of the body and how

33:27

important blood is. It really is us on

33:30

our best behavior. That part I am convinced

33:32

on. And I would just

33:34

debate that till the cows came home. I

33:36

said it probably a thousand times already. I

33:38

probably have to say it another thousand times

33:40

again. But, you know, different

33:43

people pick it up when they hear a different

33:45

way. So I'm constantly thinking about, you know, how

33:47

do we, how do we deliver this

33:49

info to people in a way that

33:51

is absorbable, just like, you

33:54

know, elements themselves? But

33:57

hair tissue, we I'll

34:00

agree on that. The body

34:02

is about 40% connective tissue. And

34:07

that is a closer

34:10

approximation, for sure, than

34:12

blood. So now we're just down

34:15

to how accurate

34:18

is the testing, and then how do we interpret

34:20

the result. So that

34:23

part, luckily, is interesting

34:25

because at least the range

34:27

is based off

34:29

of healthy people. People

34:32

remember reading even Olympic athletes

34:35

they were looking at using

34:37

as a basis. And

34:40

of course, we do have functional ranges in

34:42

blood. And by no means do

34:44

I not use blood. There

34:46

are certain tests like blood and

34:48

things like GI map, for example.

34:50

Big fan. You

34:53

need these, too. It's not an either

34:55

or. Someone was asking me about

34:58

another test that uses stool and blood.

35:00

And I was like, it's not an

35:02

either or. It's like, what's going to

35:04

help you pull in more data and

35:08

unlock the thing that you personally need to

35:10

unlock? So is it for you? Is it

35:12

that you're

35:15

listening to this nutrient deficiency?

35:18

Is it parasites and a

35:20

viral load? Which

35:22

we see some evidence in into

35:24

here. We see things

35:27

like viral loads. We see things like a

35:29

propensity to be very open

35:31

to experiencing a virus or open

35:34

to experiencing a bacterial infection with

35:37

certain ratios. But

35:40

looking at calcium and magnesium levels and going

35:42

back to your question on what

35:45

are people deficient and what diseases, when

35:48

we see a very high calcium to

35:50

magnesium ratio, we see just

35:54

issues like hypoglycemia.

35:56

And we see bone

35:59

resistance. related issues as it

36:01

goes on if that doesn't

36:03

get fixed. Because

36:07

I mean, the body has to fix the pH

36:09

of the blood. So it's going to source minerals

36:12

from tissue, from bone being tissue

36:16

or from organs. So yeah.

36:21

What do you think of iron

36:24

and ferritin? And

36:27

any kind of what's your

36:29

big picture take on iron in

36:31

the body? Because there's a

36:33

sort of conventional view on that and

36:35

iron deficiency anemia. And we need proper levels

36:37

of iron. There's also some

36:40

research that has shown high levels of

36:42

iron is certainly linked with various

36:45

kinds of diseases and early mortality.

36:48

And also, there's research that

36:50

ties into this that is

36:52

on blood donation as

36:54

being a strategy that helps decrease

36:57

the risk of various diseases and

36:59

promote longevity, which is actually a

37:01

little known thing. And then you

37:03

have someone like

37:05

Morley Robbins, who has a very controversial,

37:08

very contrarian take on iron,

37:10

who basically argues, I don't

37:14

want to misrepresent here. And hopefully, I'm

37:16

not doing that. But essentially, the lower,

37:18

the better. And it's impossible to be

37:20

deficient in iron. And that

37:22

iron is kind of not

37:25

really a good guy, as it

37:27

is seen in the conventional view that performs

37:29

these vital functions, but is sort of mostly

37:32

a villain. Again, not trying to misrepresent, but

37:34

in general, he's of the opinion that lower

37:36

is better and that

37:38

it's impossible to be deficient. Where do

37:41

you land on that spectrum? And what's

37:43

your take on the role of iron in the

37:45

human body? So

37:49

we need all the elements. And we

37:51

have a propensity toward iron,

37:54

because it's the only element that carries

37:56

oxygen. So the problem, though,

37:59

is that we're that it's

38:02

not so much that we would even

38:04

be having this conversation if it was 1900, but it's

38:07

120 years later roughly, and again the

38:09

soil shifted. And we again

38:15

we probably, you know, we didn't have

38:17

specialists for every organ back then. And

38:20

people were just a lot more vital.

38:24

And all you have to do for quote-unquote

38:26

research is just like image search the 50s,

38:28

the 60s, like see modern

38:31

America now

38:34

modern. It

38:36

looks like we're regressing and drugs

38:40

offer a lot of toxicity in

38:43

the process of them turning the lights off so to

38:45

speak. But something that I

38:47

say is that symptoms are our allies

38:51

and drugs

38:53

will just update for anyone if this

38:55

is you just stumbled across this podcast

38:57

and you haven't heard stuff

39:00

that Ari's put out before, which is

39:02

you know probably unlikely, but this is

39:04

you. Look, drugs will not get you

39:06

well. Repeat after me. They're not gonna

39:08

get you well. They're not gonna reverse

39:10

the deficiency. I'm sorry if it's like

39:12

a whoa wait moment, but that's

39:15

real and that's not open for

39:17

conjecture or opinion. Like believe

39:20

me I wish I like more

39:22

people were getting help because plenty of

39:24

people are doing this, but just because

39:26

it's popular doesn't mean it's smart. Most

39:30

people are really awesome at following the herd

39:32

and not thinking for themselves. That's

39:36

really a larger conversation I think we're having here

39:38

for people. So yeah,

39:40

great question. With iron

39:45

we need it. We get too much

39:47

of it though it seems like because

39:49

it's the most ubiquitous element

39:51

that we're consuming really or one of

39:54

the top and There's

39:56

a balance. Like One of the ratios that we

39:58

look at in hair tissue analysis. This is

40:00

his iron Copper and we

40:02

see that this regulated all

40:04

the time. Now I know

40:06

Marley thought Morley talked about

40:09

them. Coven. Disabling,

40:11

destabilizing iron in the body. different

40:14

ways and different pathways and. Then.

40:17

When copper being yelled rendered

40:20

are unavailable even if it

40:22

was present. I

40:25

mean. There

40:27

there's a lot of there's a lot that

40:29

if that is true that that. That

40:32

disrupts so what I can say

40:34

for sure as best. We.

40:36

Can go back to just like the physics

40:38

and chemistry of the sell on the body

40:40

and and. Work. What we

40:43

know is that to make energy to

40:45

make a T T E for need

40:47

oxygen They were all pretty straight on

40:49

that one. I knew for sure any

40:51

magnesium less people know that. And.

40:53

Then far less people know that you you

40:55

need copper for sure. And then we need

40:57

to be aware of the things they get

40:59

in the way of those things and that's

41:01

that's like a really good start at their

41:04

if we all did that and we all

41:06

did and beard and didn't do the things

41:08

you mentioned earlier terms of i'll smoke, don't

41:10

drink hey nothing new there. Ah,

41:12

Gets on my. Not too much, but

41:14

not too little either. On as

41:16

a whole podcast. I'm in of itself

41:19

but will try to keep it on.

41:21

You know, and then. Be

41:25

were of it when you're trying

41:27

to fix. Efficiency is like this

41:29

with food. And. As you're

41:31

going to have things that are quote

41:33

high and magnesium for example let's say

41:35

you have an and between calcium and

41:38

magnesium you're like most people as almost

41:40

impossible not to ama that be this

41:42

regulated today like congratulations why the fear

41:45

I'm by if he didn't do it

41:47

hurt us in need and have a

41:49

good consultation with someone that really truly

41:51

specializes in that I would push and

41:54

whether or not that's true and then

41:56

I would do follow testing every three

41:58

months to see that. That continues to

42:00

be true or not true. So

42:04

but let's say let's say you're one

42:06

of the ninety plus percent of people

42:08

they receive. It has too much calcium

42:10

and magnesium as a ratio. Overall, again,

42:12

the ratios are way more important when

42:14

you're looking here to thing than individual

42:17

numbers as well as people should be

42:19

Super click on that as well. So.

42:23

If that's the case, then.

42:27

You're you're going in the meta, get less

42:29

calcium and the system. Yeah, yeah. Going to

42:31

need to get some other out. You're going

42:33

to need more magnesium. And.

42:36

And you convenient to a utilize that

42:38

well so absorbing as part of it.

42:41

The way we do that as

42:43

with article size being really small

42:45

and really stable as well and

42:48

then to so the of other

42:50

awareness as like and I'll be

42:52

six a lot of people are

42:54

methylation issues and be fix is

42:56

really important than spending that we'll

42:58

that we refer to as methylation

43:00

pathways a whole. As

43:02

something that a seems like everyone's also

43:05

the fisherman's be sex. Slaves

43:08

are a few thoughts, so. Tell

43:10

me about some of your. Mineral

43:13

formulas and what's in them and

43:15

what's unique about them. And I

43:18

know you have some aspects of

43:20

technology that relate to or bioavailability

43:22

of of the minerals helping to

43:25

get these minerals into the body.

43:29

Described. That landscape to me want?

43:31

Why Is it an issue to get?

43:33

I mean, we're not just a plain

43:36

minerals and you know what's what's wrong

43:38

with specialists acknowledged. help us absorb those

43:40

minerals and describe what that, what that

43:42

technology is. Her. Yeah,

43:44

happy to! So. Let's

43:47

let's go way back for a moment

43:49

to when I started thinking about how

43:51

to solve this problem. And.

43:53

My realization that there was

43:55

that. The. when the

43:58

body so this speaks to the

44:01

question that someone's going to ask when they

44:03

go like, well what form of

44:06

iodine or what form of chromium or

44:08

what form of zinc or what form

44:10

of magnesium do you use or do

44:12

you use multiple forms or what?

44:15

I've heard this and that

44:17

about those forms. So here's

44:19

the thing that I would invite everyone

44:21

to think about. When you

44:23

get your minerals from food,

44:26

let's say that you eat something that has

44:28

magnesium in it for example and

44:31

you're ingesting that and you're let's say

44:33

there's 80 steps to break

44:35

that down to go from food to

44:37

being absorbed into the bloodstream. At

44:40

any point is

44:43

it that the

44:45

body needs

44:47

or requests or asks for

44:51

in the case of magnesium like you

44:53

know, theranate or glycinate

44:56

and I'm not saying that those things don't work.

44:58

That's not what I'm saying but what I'm saying

45:01

is is that how the body does it that

45:03

it requests these separate things and

45:07

I realized that the body you know it doesn't

45:09

go oh you know I don't have any like

45:12

magnesium theranate or I can't make a combination

45:14

of that and send it to the brains that

45:16

for the brain is not going to work today.

45:18

It's like wow we would be I think

45:21

we'd all have a shorter lifespan and we'd have a

45:23

lot more evolution to go if that was the case

45:26

right. But luckily

45:28

and I'm super grateful for us being

45:30

many evolutions beyond that where we are

45:32

today still plenty of things to solve

45:35

and figure out socially,

45:37

economically, psychologically, plenty of other problems.

45:39

Can minerals solve all the world's

45:41

problems? Well

45:44

I know that without them we can't

45:46

solve any of them. I've

45:51

never thought about that but that's yeah that

45:53

is my like hardcore stance on it I

45:55

would say because

45:57

you know I've seen nutrition become Ari

46:00

personality, I've seen nutrition become personality so

46:03

many times. What do you mean by

46:05

that? Thank you earlier. I

46:07

meant to yeah what you mean because so I'm

46:09

glad you brought it up again Yeah,

46:12

absolutely so I gave

46:14

a talk at mine Valley this summer and vision and

46:16

asked me to come and Speak

46:18

on on this idea because

46:20

he hadn't really heard it talked about

46:22

this way and said wow, it's fascinating

46:25

and It's

46:27

after looking at so many hair analyses

46:30

and seeing really clearly and talking to

46:32

people like what are you experiencing? They're

46:34

like, well, I was labeled Bipolar

46:38

and like seeing their sodium to potassium ratio

46:40

and then going back in the research and

46:42

seeing that ARL figured this out a long

46:44

Time ago or seeing like this other lab

46:46

figured this out a long time ago and

46:48

they're like thing this exact point

46:50

and then talking to people and confirming that and

46:53

then getting to the point of like not

46:56

even seeing someone not that you ever want to

46:59

diagnose or Support

47:01

someone without asking questions. You always want

47:03

to like hey, what are you

47:05

experiencing? Is this true for you? Things

47:08

like that and really like ask a

47:10

lot of questions and see and then

47:12

merge that with the results you're looking

47:14

at That's another failing of

47:17

our conventional medication system as

47:20

I call it is that You

47:23

know in the the money-driven, you know

47:25

five five minute per patient world, they're

47:27

just looking at a chart and Whether

47:31

it's you or your brother there Are

47:34

are you and a 400 pound plus version

47:36

of you that's sitting there? Like they're still

47:38

saying the same thing based on your results,

47:41

which is scary to think about but that's

47:43

true For that's

47:45

the real reality for most people. So that

47:47

alone like now we're just looking and exposing

47:50

flaws and That system and

47:52

going like I don't know. Do you think that's a good

47:54

way to proceed? I don't know make your own decision So

48:00

Where where we. Can

48:02

bring a lot of ground or nutrition

48:04

becomes a diet is opposite. Right?

48:07

So we're we're looking at at this.

48:10

At these levels and we're seeing so I'll

48:12

just list up a couple things that we

48:14

can say for sure. And here we can

48:16

see I've lived hypoglycemia, which certainly becomes like

48:18

I don't know. She's angry all the time.

48:20

I don't know what to, they're like she's

48:22

I love her. but. We. Gotta

48:25

keep or said we gotta keep

48:27

are fed Ah yes I am.

48:29

So. So and that becomes habit

48:31

at some point and that have it

48:33

becomes personally and that personality death I

48:35

think we all agree overtime becomes destiny,

48:37

rights who you continually show up as

48:39

and that and when you walk in

48:41

the room we go oh hey I'd

48:44

love for you to meet this person

48:46

because I think that you guys would

48:48

connect with that based off of that's

48:50

based on how you show. Currently I

48:52

am day after day and that's other

48:54

people's experience of yeah as completely driven

48:56

by nutrition. Sense. That part

48:58

that connection became obvious to me and

49:00

I had. I became really interested. Really

49:03

fast and in. Ah,

49:05

This personality of Elements really? And.

49:09

And. And also that you see masculine

49:11

and feminine aspects to So the ratio

49:13

of zinc copper is something I thought

49:15

the one about and written about on

49:17

the website as well as lot of

49:19

blocks on it. briefly.

49:22

On. Too much think

49:25

is overly analytical. Too much copper

49:27

is overly feminine. Ah

49:29

yeah someone with might say will.

49:32

They. Will that first holding up? Really

49:34

want to look at the numbers are focus

49:36

on that because their ability to like really

49:38

follow through get granular with stuff be as

49:40

become have a habit. Thanks. to high

49:43

caliber or hi like bio unavailable conference

49:45

sir toxify the system so that that

49:47

is one thing probably that i'm i'm

49:50

i'm slightly different in the focus on

49:52

not sure what more they would say

49:54

about that and on that was that

49:56

his stances but it does seem that

49:59

through her now There's

50:01

an issue with copper toxicity as

50:03

well. And

50:05

that is likely due

50:07

to just different

50:10

times where we got too much all at

50:12

once. The body's going to do something with

50:14

it. So it's about how

50:18

much you have of something, but that's

50:20

a daily thing. These

50:22

are often water soluble. Copper does really well

50:24

with fat too. And

50:28

a great way if you decide to start supplementing

50:30

copper is that you

50:32

really want to most likely

50:35

do it with a meal. And

50:37

I wouldn't say that. The zinc as well,

50:39

that can cause some upset for people. You

50:42

said do it with a needle. So you're

50:44

talking about copper injections. No,

50:46

no, no, no, no, with a

50:48

meal. Sorry. With a meal.

50:50

I thought you said with a needle. I thought

50:53

you were advocating injections of these minerals. OK, good.

50:55

No, no, no. I'm happy to hear that I

50:57

misheard that. Yeah, absolutely.

50:59

Yeah, I think our

51:02

connection's good for the most part,

51:04

but just a little in and out every now and then.

51:10

So these are just some of the

51:12

issues, right? But

51:14

certainly as we take these

51:16

things in calculus, you'd say

51:18

as the limit approaches infinity or

51:21

as you approach the end of life, like what happens

51:23

and what's driving that is if they

51:27

don't get solved for someone's

51:29

bone health does decrease if

51:31

their calcium to magnesium ratio

51:33

is off considerably. And

51:36

then that's an indication that the blood pH

51:40

is just off as a standard.

51:43

And the body's having to adapt to that in

51:45

one way or another. So

51:47

that becomes that refers

51:50

I mean sodium to potassium ratio

51:52

bipolar or manic

51:55

or I mean, there's

51:58

so many different illustrations. concentrations there.

52:01

The iron to copper ratio,

52:03

we're looking at high

52:06

iron, for example, to copper. You

52:10

were looking at a propensity to

52:12

be infected with parasites

52:15

or, you know,

52:18

I mean, really one school of

52:20

thought is that parasites are there because

52:22

there's no abundance of iron. That's why

52:24

they are in, for example, the small

52:27

intestine where they shouldn't be. Or,

52:29

I mean, where

52:32

no bacteria should be. Say that

52:34

you get infested because what? So,

52:37

you know, like small intestine, like SIBO,

52:40

right? So, small intestine bacterial overgrowth. We're

52:42

looking at that and we're going like,

52:44

well, why is that? What's the root

52:46

cause of that? And is it like

52:48

doing the cleanse is not the root

52:50

cause. That may be the solution or

52:52

using binders or like what

52:54

really, how do we prevent? I don't want to

52:56

like fix it. Ending

53:00

in one school of thought, which I'm,

53:02

to be honest, I'm still not for

53:04

sure on, may be that,

53:06

you know, because iron can be much

53:09

higher in the tissues, it may be that,

53:11

and most people it seems like since

53:13

we have this recirculating

53:17

ability of iron because, again, the only

53:19

element that carries oxygen, so it's important

53:21

for life and the

53:23

body and its innate intelligence wants to at

53:25

least keep you alive first and foremost, then

53:28

keep you healthy second. You know, so it's

53:30

like, all right, and it's thinking short term

53:32

first, long term second. So, you

53:35

know, that's why it's pulling to buffer the

53:38

pH in the blood. Same thing with SIBO.

53:40

You have a extra iron. Well, bacteria is in

53:43

there feeding on it. Maybe

53:45

as a way to like remove it over

53:47

time, maybe because that's the lesser of the

53:49

evils. I don't know. Maybe it just seems

53:51

like there is an innate intelligence in almost

53:53

every aspect that we look at and the

53:55

body is doing its best and it is

53:57

brilliant and we just need to the

54:00

right elements and we need support with the right habits

54:03

and the right lifestyle. To

54:06

wrap up, let's circle back to what

54:09

you were describing earlier that, you know,

54:12

kind of about, let's say magnesium threonate

54:14

or glycinate and you were

54:16

making the case that the body

54:18

doesn't need those minerals in that

54:20

form to be its other compounds.

54:22

So, take me back to why

54:26

you think that's the wrong way to approach it and what

54:28

is the right way to approach it. Got

54:31

it. Yeah. So, of course, the

54:34

sort of disclaimer, I'm glad we came back to it,

54:37

is that it's not

54:39

wrong to like take a bunch of different

54:41

forms. I think that although that perhaps

54:44

could be confusing to the body,

54:46

that the

54:49

way that we naturally get it from food is that,

54:52

you know, the body is not requiring magnesium

54:54

threonate to have the, you know,

54:57

cross the blood brain barrier, as

54:59

that's famously known. But

55:02

again, just like a lot of people are

55:04

on medication doesn't mean that it's right. It

55:07

just means that we took the what

55:09

we had current, you know,

55:11

again, this kind of goes back to

55:13

what I was saying earlier, which is

55:15

certain people have the expertise to build

55:18

industrial processes. Other people have been the

55:20

expertise to look at the end product.

55:22

That's a chemist. The industrial

55:24

process is a chemical engineer. That's

55:27

what I went to school for. That was my focus. And

55:30

then we have focus inside of that of nanotechnology.

55:32

And then I got really interested in the

55:35

cross between that nutrition and I realized that

55:37

the supplements I was taking personally

55:40

can't speak for every supplement on the planet or anything, but

55:42

everything I've been able to test and look at and

55:45

also experience it just it

55:48

wasn't cutting. It wasn't absorbing well enough.

55:50

Not that it wasn't absorbing at all.

55:52

It just wasn't absorbing well enough to

55:54

reverse the deficiency in the timeline that

55:56

I liked or thought was needed to

55:58

be able to get better. better quickly.

56:01

So then we've done

56:03

a clinical trial, by the way, on our magnesium

56:05

supplement to prove like, hey, you

56:07

know, we can't tell you every secret

56:09

about our industrial process because it's private

56:12

or like, you know, companies

56:14

have a trade secret on their recipe

56:16

or something. But what

56:18

we can say is we can

56:20

demonstrate in this clinical trial for

56:22

sleep that was placebo controlled, double-blinded,

56:25

that we improved deep sleep and

56:27

REM sleep, you know, better than

56:29

anything I'm aware of out there. 250%

56:33

high of improvement in deep sleep

56:35

in 14 nights tells us we

56:38

know something that a lot of people don't.

56:41

And that was only four capsules. And that was

56:43

just general public and a lot

56:45

of different ages, men and women, over

56:47

30 participants.

56:50

And looking at 14 days, not like

56:52

two months, but like they improved that much

56:54

in 14 days. If we had a

56:56

month, I mean, I'm sure it would have gone up even more. And

57:02

that, you know, 160% improvement in REM

57:04

sleep as a high. Now,

57:06

you know, that's considerable for

57:09

sure. So what

57:11

we're really talking about is

57:13

that, or the point I'm

57:16

really making is that most of

57:18

the supplements that are minerals today are,

57:20

and we,

57:22

I mean, we also have a fertility

57:25

product now that's an herbal product that's

57:27

not in this class.

57:29

So I don't want to confuse people if

57:31

they're looking at the site or anything. But

57:33

for minerals, I wanted to do at least

57:35

one clinical trial so that it proved out

57:38

our delivery system. That's really what we're talking

57:40

about. We're talking about a delivery system, not

57:42

a form of a mineral. We can really

57:45

take any type of magnesium, put it

57:47

through our process and have a similar format. I

57:49

just bind the end product, in our case, with

57:53

chloride because the body needs chloride

57:55

and everyone's deficient in HCL or

57:57

stomach acid. I say everyone. nearly

58:00

everyone is deficient in

58:02

HCL. So that's the

58:04

delivery system. What I'm seeing other

58:07

people do is get smart and

58:09

smart and more smart with

58:12

how they're combining things. And

58:16

that is bound by using the

58:19

existing manufacturing capability. And

58:22

I wanted to just like start over with

58:24

that and prove that so that our end

58:26

product was different. So it

58:28

was really bio,

58:31

not biohacking, but bioharmony. It's like listening to

58:33

the body. How does the body normally do

58:35

things and emulating that as closely as possible?

58:38

That's really, so we make a plasma out of

58:40

all the minerals and then through

58:43

our process, we make that really stable. So

58:45

it absorbs without needing the

58:48

digestive system which is broken for most

58:50

people to work well. Very,

58:54

very interesting stuff. Barton,

58:56

do you wanna mention anything about

58:58

fertility before

59:01

we end? I know that's a big interest of yours.

59:04

Yeah, I'd love to. So, you know,

59:07

this is a stat that

59:09

I wouldn't normally cite from this

59:11

source by being that it's

59:13

high, it's probably at least this

59:15

true. So the CDC, with

59:18

a grain of salt, but if anything, it's

59:20

gotta be higher than this. If

59:22

they're saying it's this. So the CDC

59:25

said that recently

59:27

that they're aware that

59:30

one in four couples that are trying

59:32

to get pregnant, so 25% of people

59:34

that are trying to conceive actively

59:37

are not able to right now. One

59:39

of the reasons, maybe you can

59:41

postulate it. We don't know, the soil and

59:44

a lack

59:46

of nutrients and then balances and everything else we

59:48

talked about, contribute for sure.

59:52

I was talking with a woman at a health event this weekend

59:54

and she was like, oh, I need to get

59:57

this prenatal product because I'm looking for

59:59

it. I just want to get

1:00:01

healthy before I go and have my

1:00:04

eggs frozen." And

1:00:06

I said, well, look, this is

1:00:08

not by any means a pitch. But

1:00:11

if I were just taking my own advice, I

1:00:13

would tell you to go through

1:00:15

our process a couple times of

1:00:18

testing your hair and getting

1:00:20

some minerals to absorb well and doing

1:00:22

maybe plenty of other things too, like

1:00:24

testing your stool and really just getting

1:00:27

as healthy as possible. So

1:00:30

that was because as you get more and

1:00:32

more vital, you're naturally going

1:00:35

to just get pregnant easier. And

1:00:38

men play a big role

1:00:40

in this too. So like sperm

1:00:42

quality, magnesium and zinc, those

1:00:46

are two things. But again, are you absorbing

1:00:48

the zinc or magnesium that

1:00:50

you're taking? And do you

1:00:52

already have too much zinc possibly because you've

1:00:55

been taking too much for the past couple

1:00:57

of years based on different results? Is

1:00:59

your calcium level high because you're

1:01:03

taking vitamin D and you're taking a lot of

1:01:05

it and that's driving your calcium level up and

1:01:08

potentially displacing magnesium. So

1:01:11

again, it's not right or wrong. It's

1:01:13

just about testing and understanding. Maybe

1:01:15

I'll come back to the supplement later, but for

1:01:18

right now, I know that if

1:01:20

I'm buying this supplement, I

1:01:23

may be paying to make my health

1:01:25

worse, which is like really a scary

1:01:27

thing to think about. It's a

1:01:30

reality if we're not testing. So I

1:01:32

know a lot of you will use the phrase test,

1:01:34

don't guess. We trademarked it. I'm not by any means

1:01:36

going after people for using it. I think it's great.

1:01:38

I just wanted to always make sure that we could

1:01:40

use it. Test,

1:01:43

don't guess though. Like really, like if

1:01:45

you're just acknowledge the fact that if

1:01:48

you as a person or for your

1:01:50

family aren't testing certain things, you're guessing

1:01:53

and testing does refine your

1:01:55

intuition. So there's no downside there.

1:01:58

Just make sure you get a good consultation. with

1:02:00

someone with whatever test you choose

1:02:02

to move forward with, is what I would

1:02:04

say. Barton,

1:02:07

any final words you want to leave people with

1:02:09

to wrap up and I guess let people know

1:02:11

about your product line as well, if you want

1:02:13

to tell them about that, or anything else you

1:02:15

want to tell them about? Oh,

1:02:18

thank you so much. Well, I

1:02:21

think I'm just realizing as you say that I

1:02:23

didn't mention the name of that fertility product. It's

1:02:26

upgraded Teas and Tom, and

1:02:28

that is super important for

1:02:30

women as well as men. Pretty

1:02:34

much everyone over 25 seems to have

1:02:36

low testosterone these days, and it's unsurprisingly

1:02:39

really important for becoming pregnant

1:02:41

too. So we're doing a

1:02:43

fertility trial. It's not done

1:02:45

yet, so I can't actually

1:02:47

say on that. What

1:02:51

I can say is we

1:02:54

had three people, three guys, different ages, like

1:02:56

30 to 55 or so, take

1:03:00

it for 90 days. And

1:03:03

we're looking at five clinically studied ingredients, the

1:03:05

right amounts of them and such.

1:03:08

And we're seeing that plenty of

1:03:10

people improved from, for example, 600 to

1:03:12

900 total testosterone in

1:03:17

90 days, which is 50%. So

1:03:21

that's incredible. And

1:03:24

I've been surprised to know that a lot

1:03:26

of my really fit female friends, they're like

1:03:28

just barely 30, are doing

1:03:31

testosterone replacement. And

1:03:33

there's an underlying root cause, if that's

1:03:35

you. Again, not wrong. You can keep

1:03:37

doing that and supplement this, or

1:03:41

another testosterone supplement, whatever

1:03:43

works for you. But

1:03:45

I hope that's helpful. And people can find- And

1:03:48

let people know where they can find you,

1:03:50

what your website is? Yeah,

1:03:52

sure. So our website is upgradedformulas.com. upgradedformulas.com.

1:03:56

Martin, thank you so much

1:03:58

for your time. for

1:04:00

coming on the show. I hope to chat

1:04:02

with you again and maybe you can let us

1:04:04

know about the results of all

1:04:06

those 10,000 heretas

1:04:10

when that comes back in and maybe I'll have

1:04:12

you on again so we can just get the

1:04:14

details about. Yeah, I would

1:04:16

love that. It was really enjoyed the

1:04:18

conversation so I hope this was helpful

1:04:20

for people. Great questions, really thoughtful. So

1:04:23

yeah, great, great interview. Thanks, my

1:04:25

friend, for coming on. Talk to you soon. Hey

1:04:36

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