0:07

Hey, this is Ari. Welcome back

0:09

to the Energy Blueprint Podcast. With

0:11

me today is my friend Dr.

0:13

Christopher Pucard, who is a doctor

0:16

of chiropractic and has a lot,

0:18

many decades of expertise studying nutrition

0:20

and lifestyle more broadly. And

0:23

he has developed a specific focus on

0:25

blood pressure, using natural ways to normalize

0:27

and optimize your blood pressure level. So

0:30

that's what we're talking about here in

0:32

this podcast. I think you'll get a

0:34

lot of good insights from it. So

0:36

enjoy. Dr. Pucard, thank

0:39

you so much for coming on the podcast. This

0:41

has been a long time in the making. We

0:43

have known each other through

0:46

the interwebs for many, many years

0:48

at this point. And

0:50

we've had a ton of communications over the years.

0:54

And you

0:56

have been a member of my Energy Blueprint

0:58

Program. I think you're one of the first

1:00

members for many, many years ago, seven years

1:02

ago-ish, something like

1:05

that. Second year, maybe. Second year. I

1:07

feel like I've known you forever. And you

1:09

are in your own right, very

1:12

much your own health expert and

1:16

health practitioner. And you are

1:18

helping a ton of people. And you have your

1:21

own body of expertise. And one of the things

1:23

that we talked about that you

1:25

have focused on extensively and you've

1:27

been getting great results with is

1:29

blood pressure. So

1:31

let me ask you to start things off. What

1:35

made you focus so

1:37

much on blood pressure that

1:39

now you are the first podcast I've

1:41

ever done on the topic of blood

1:43

pressure? Well,

1:46

thank you very much, first of all, for

1:48

having me on the show, Ari. You're looking

1:51

fantastic. You're looking younger and younger. So

1:54

your blood pressure, I mean,

1:56

I suppose it's because all of my grandparents

1:59

have had high blood pressure and

2:01

then my father had high blood pressure. But

2:04

it was really at the beginning of

2:07

the whole COVID pandemic situation.

2:11

When it was shown or the

2:13

first initial sort of few weeks or few months,

2:15

it was shown that so many

2:17

more people were dying from COVID if they

2:19

had pre-existing conditions. And at the beginning, it

2:21

was high blood pressure. And

2:24

so I just did a deep

2:26

dive into why high blood pressure? Why

2:28

not asthma or COPD? Why not the

2:30

lung related stuff? Why not cancers? Why

2:32

not immune system? What is it about

2:34

blood pressure? And

2:38

very quickly, I found out there was a link between

2:40

blood pressure and the immune system, a

2:42

chemical called endothelin 1, which

2:45

since then I found out is involved in all kinds of

2:47

stuff. I'd never heard of it beforehand. And

2:50

so I thought, right, well, I need to

2:52

basically help everyone that's got high blood pressure

2:54

get it under control as quickly as possible

2:56

so that they can survive this oncoming storm.

2:58

Because at the beginning, we didn't know what

3:00

was going to happen. And

3:02

so it was basically just me just trying

3:04

to get out there and realize that

3:07

half of all adults over a certain age have

3:09

got high blood pressure. So yeah, we need to

3:11

do something about it and quickly. So that's why

3:13

I focused on it for the last three years.

3:16

Okay, so but

3:19

there are already lots of doctors

3:21

out there focused on blood pressure,

3:23

lots of cardiologists who are routinely

3:26

measuring the blood pressure levels as

3:28

a basic checkup

3:30

practice of, you

3:34

know, I guess, speaking of the

3:36

United States, I'll be a little country centric

3:38

here. Millions

3:40

of people every year get their blood

3:42

pressure checked and talk to their general

3:45

practitioner or their cardiologist about it and

3:47

are prescribed blood pressure drugs. So

3:50

why are you here? Why are

3:52

you on my podcast right now

3:54

talking about blood pressure? Why should

3:58

people not just go see their general practitioner

4:00

or a cardiologist and take the

4:02

beta blockers, take whatever blood pressure

4:05

lowering drugs and

4:08

boom, bada-bing, bada-boom, they got their blood

4:11

pressure levels down a bit, maybe into

4:13

the normal range, problem solved,

4:15

right? Or is it that simple?

4:17

What's the deal? Well,

4:20

it's because when it comes to blood

4:22

pressure lowering drugs, what

4:26

they do is they're basically just, well,

4:28

blood pressure, basically it's a symptom that

4:30

something is wrong. But blood

4:33

pressure itself doesn't just happen as

4:35

a disease by itself. There are many

4:37

underlying reasons as to why your body

4:40

may intelligently want to raise the blood

4:42

pressure. And while

4:44

blood pressure medication does lower the

4:47

blood pressure, what happens if you stop taking

4:49

it? It goes back up again. Now,

4:51

if you had a cut and you were

4:53

bleeding everywhere and you put a plaster on and it stopped

4:56

the bleeding, but every time you took the plaster off, you

4:58

were bleeding, it surely tells

5:00

you that there's something still wrong.

5:03

And with blood pressure, according

5:06

to Dr. Mark Houston, who's a very,

5:09

very, very, very good integrative cardiologist, and

5:11

I bow to his knowledge on all

5:13

kinds of stuff, but

5:15

he says there are three main reasons

5:17

for high blood pressure. There's

5:20

inflammation, there's oxidative

5:22

stress, and there's immune-related problems

5:26

and immune-related vascular disorders. But

5:28

each of those three have myriads

5:30

of other causes.

5:32

So if you're just lowering blood pressure with a

5:34

drug, but you're not fixing the cause, you

5:37

can end up causing another

5:39

problem. And because

5:41

blood pressure, say for instance, blood

5:43

pressure is very much linked to the endothelium,

5:45

which is why endothelium came up as the

5:47

immune system thing, which is started this whole

5:49

time. If

5:52

You've got a problem that's actually causing inflammation through

5:54

your body and you're just ignoring it because the

5:56

only symptom you've got, well, the only object to

5:58

find you've got is high blood pressure, The

6:00

time you just ignoring for the isn't going

6:02

to Buffalo and can cause another trouble. Some

6:05

refs set might stop causing your kidneys to

6:07

plow. Asterisk gracious, you're hot to for your

6:09

immune system Different? Why might be covering up

6:11

the fact that you a low amount of

6:14

micro nutrients and so your blood pressure that

6:16

she raving up to time to live oxygen

6:18

some and so you end up with dementia

6:20

earlier because you're on blood pressure Learn.and they

6:23

have a six to course said. that's the

6:25

kind of the nutshell. By.

6:27

Say. There. Is one other thing. That

6:30

really drives me to. The blood pressure's because

6:32

of my patients are written, it's studies and

6:34

trained as a chiropractor. And. I

6:36

know that some of my patients you came to his

6:38

neck pain back time. They'd. Get

6:41

out of time but they also say let

6:43

my blog prices dropped an identity, my blood

6:45

pressure medication and. And.

6:47

So we know that your body can. Blood.

6:50

Pressure can be assigned jays you're in pain.

6:52

The also blood pressure can be. Assigned

6:55

that you've actually got from in your neck. They.

6:57

They that's the document. Things of car

7:00

practice: Large but principles I massages the

7:02

neck in. Some people can lower blood

7:04

pressure. And seventy no

7:06

blood pressure lowering drug is gonna give your

7:08

neck muscles. And. In

7:11

some people, it can be ridiculous Sleep simple

7:13

as to the cause of their blood pressure

7:15

and. Name or drugs

7:17

are needed. I

7:20

think it's important to point out and

7:22

about. A difference

7:25

in paradigm. Assault on foundational difference

7:27

in paradigm here because. What?

7:31

We're. Talking about here is essentially

7:34

a paradigm that says. That.

7:36

That it's that there's this really

7:38

foundational difference in how one looks

7:40

at this problem of blood pressure.

7:43

And the same is true across

7:45

many, many other conditions. So hear

7:47

what it is is people are

7:49

saying, hey, your blood pressure is

7:51

high. It's for random reasons, Your

7:53

body is making a mistake. And

7:56

we need to put You On This drug.

7:59

So. That your. The dumb body. Can

8:02

regulate. It's blood

8:04

pressure properly. Okay,

8:08

And now that we have this

8:10

amazing drug that lowers your blood

8:12

pressure effectively. which it does. It

8:15

does lower your blood pressure, does

8:17

acts through different biochemical mechanisms and

8:19

pathways that dub alter that blood

8:21

pressure level and potentially alter it

8:24

back in the normal range. So

8:26

after taking that drugs. Then.

8:28

The doctor can measure you have whatever few

8:30

days are a few weeks or months later

8:33

and say hey, your blood pressure's looking great,

8:35

it's in the normal range. Were good to

8:37

go with salt mean a problem solved. The.

8:41

Other paradigm which is what you subscribed

8:43

to and what I subscribe to. His

8:47

to figure out why

8:49

are intelligent body is

8:51

making decisions in that

8:53

way. And. Instead

8:55

of just tinkering with the system

8:57

to bring numbers in to the

9:00

appropriate ranges via. Drug

9:03

interventions. God

9:05

interrupt certain biochemical pathways in

9:07

the body. The

9:09

idea is to say why has

9:12

our body become dis regulated? It

9:14

used to be able to maintain

9:16

blood pressure and a healthy range

9:18

or blood sugar and healthy range

9:21

or whatever other parameter that we

9:23

might look at. Why

9:25

is out what? what has

9:27

caused it to become does

9:30

regulated now and how can

9:32

we act on those underlying

9:34

root causes to allow are

9:36

intelligent party to. Regulate.

9:38

Blood pressure in the way that it

9:41

should be doing. And

9:43

so. Again,

9:47

you know that the same is

9:49

true of depression. Hey, you're dumb.

9:51

Body has a neurotransmitter imbalance here.

9:53

Take this drug. It will alter

9:55

levels of neurotransmitters in your brain.

9:57

Boom. Problem solved or hate me?

10:00

The Depression. The fact that you

10:02

as a human being are living

10:04

a life where you are depressed

10:06

is a sign that something is

10:08

off in your life. That.

10:10

Either your relationships or your

10:12

alignment with you or your

10:14

purpose or aura you know,

10:16

spending time in a way

10:19

that feels meaningful to you,

10:21

purposeful to you, Your.

10:25

Health status, your nutrients status, your

10:27

sleep, your exercise habits, something is

10:29

off in a way that is

10:31

causing your brain assuming even still

10:34

within. Operating in the paradigm of

10:36

neurotransmitter issues, something a off in

10:38

a way that your body is

10:40

is this regulated in the way

10:42

it's regulating neurotransmitters, It's manifesting as

10:44

this mood prom and rather than

10:47

just taking a drug intervention, the

10:49

idea is to figure out why

10:51

you're but the are intelligent body

10:53

has become dis. Regulated and address

10:55

those underlying causes so. With.

10:59

Regard to that, you said that

11:01

this other doctor Mark Houston I

11:04

think was his name. Is

11:07

talks about inflammation, oxidative, stress, and

11:09

what was the other thing? And.

11:12

This and emulated muscular Disorder. Okay, now

11:15

I know you have a lot of

11:17

admiration for him and I. I, I

11:19

and I. I don't want to come

11:22

across as speaking negatively in any way.

11:24

However, I will say I don't like

11:26

that explanation very much and. The

11:29

reason why is it? To

11:32

me, It's like substituting one

11:34

biochemical mechanism for another biochemical

11:36

mechanism. And

11:38

so okay. fine. The.

11:40

Inflammation, oxidative, stress and sorry

11:42

save enough money to have

11:44

the app and. Yeah,

11:47

mean basket. It showed a basic decisiveness

11:49

been happening discerning. vascular okay are I

11:51

will as to say of an inflammation

11:54

and oxidative stress for the sake of

11:56

simplicity of what I'm saying here, inflammation

11:58

and oxidative stress also. Under Live.

12:01

Dozens. Or hundreds of other

12:03

diseases are are connected with lot.

12:06

I mean we can look look

12:08

up Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Oh, inflammation

12:10

in Oxford. Eight of us look

12:13

at Fibromyalgia, inflammation and oxidative stress.

12:15

Diabetes, Inflammation, oxidative stress, Metabolic syndrome,

12:17

heart disease. Cancer is neurological disease

12:20

right? You're going to find those

12:22

biochemical mechanisms are linked with lots

12:24

of things. Okay and and they

12:26

are. They are drivers of of

12:29

bio that you know at them.

12:31

the mechanism. Level. Their drivers have

12:33

many different diseases, but my question

12:35

is, what is causing, what is

12:38

underlying Even that? What are the

12:40

underlying root causes of the oxidative

12:42

stress and the inflammation? Yes,

12:44

Well again coming months as me business that's

12:46

not pressure them as he three basic underlying

12:49

cause and them and about a thousand other

12:51

cool these to the causing these three right.

12:54

Answer Yes or he does. Game. You.

12:56

Can eat repeatedly if we to simply to

12:58

my three but then you could realize that

13:00

the three pumped about your and find it

13:02

might be one of these death. All of

13:05

these causes and.by giving people a blood pressure

13:07

to a you're just ignoring thousand different causes

13:09

that could be fixable Isn't that data no

13:11

other prefix in that on the rest of

13:13

someone's health? Yeah and and just to link

13:15

back to that that. That the.

13:18

The the meaning of that, the significance

13:20

of that. Is

13:22

a simplistic example. Let's say

13:24

you're smashing his somebody, smashing

13:27

your toe with a hammer

13:29

every day and ah, And.

13:31

And you take a painkiller. To.

13:34

Block you? You know? Let's say

13:36

it's a really wonderful, he effective

13:38

painkiller and you block successfully your

13:40

brains perception of that paint. Have

13:42

you done a good thing by

13:45

doing that or not. Because.

13:47

Somebody still continuing to hit your foot

13:49

with a hammer. And. Whether

13:51

you can feel it or not, you

13:53

are incurring a lot of trauma. not

13:56

emotional trauma good physical trauma and

13:59

damage to that to those tissues.

14:01

So is blocking your brain's perception

14:04

of that a useful thing or

14:06

not a useful thing? Yeah,

14:10

it can be useful if for some

14:12

reason you can't

14:14

stop that person. Yeah,

14:16

otherwise, completely

14:20

useless. Yeah, actually get you where you

14:22

want to go at all at all.

14:25

And again, that's one of the problems with

14:27

blood pressure medication because some of the long

14:29

term studies have shown that

14:31

even though the medication can lower

14:33

the blood pressure, it

14:36

has very little effect on improving

14:38

the health and longevity of

14:40

that person. It

14:42

may decrease a stroke, but it increases something

14:45

else. Right. And there are some studies

14:47

that show that the pill

14:49

that was the best at lowering blood pressure

14:51

was actually not the one that was best

14:54

at decreasing death rate. And

14:56

in a lot of cases where they've been put

14:58

up against placebo is a lot of the

15:00

time placebo is work better for actually decreasing

15:02

death. Which

15:05

is exactly what you'd expect if

15:07

you are if all you're doing

15:10

is altering something that

15:13

is is ultimately an end result of

15:15

the problem rather than fixing the actual

15:18

problem. Because as long as we as

15:20

we've been saying in many

15:22

different ways here, as long

15:24

as the underlying problem is still present, it will

15:26

simply manifest as problems in other areas. And then

15:28

you'll take a pill for your blood pressure to

15:30

bring that in the normal range. And then they'll

15:33

put you on metformin to bring that in the

15:35

normal range. And you take a pill for your

15:37

depression and you take a pill to thin your

15:39

blood and so on and so forth. And it's

15:41

not this is why it's not uncommon to see

15:43

people who are in their 70s and 80s who

15:46

are on 12 or 15 or 18 different

15:48

prescription drugs. Plus you add in the fact

15:50

that you've got to take more drugs to

15:52

correct the side effects from the other drugs

15:54

you're taking. Yeah, exactly. Which is

15:56

just getting more and more common. Crazy

16:00

after we heard of it. So so tell

16:02

me about what are these underlying causes? What

16:05

does this ultimately come down to? Put.

16:09

Just just like his with same any

16:12

of the other things that you talk

16:14

about every single week the post as

16:16

it comes down to lifestyle, diet, nutrition,

16:19

Decreasing stress and tension. And.

16:23

This. Is where seventy people they get bogged down

16:25

to nibble. Where do I stopped? Because.

16:27

I know I'm not eating for people. What?

16:29

What Do I do? And how do I do things? And.

16:32

Six point and just like you have in

16:34

your energy, prepared to have a set system

16:36

of things to go through. Say.

16:39

Say do I use them For instance Least.

16:41

The blood test that doctors have already have my

16:44

love to serve. The an example of a blood

16:46

test I had from a tucked. It's.

16:49

My favorite. Like my favorite piece of

16:51

investigative work as. Finding. What was

16:53

going on? And. But.

16:55

I use a Doctor Brian Orser Cel

16:58

blueprint. A Hunted

17:00

A fantastic questionnaire to help highlight just

17:02

by using questions you don't. It is

17:04

left of Just Beijing questions. You can

17:06

help sites and co with his passes

17:08

probably efficient and nutrients this person what

17:10

they haven't told me the option to

17:12

the every this person might actually have

17:14

a parasite. and by just. Intelligent

17:16

questioning. You can start homing in on

17:18

what might actually be the true cause

17:21

energy just find a fix up with

17:23

or whether it's with breathing exercises. Big

17:25

fan of your breathing course. I start

17:28

every single day with and than the

17:30

not be found deny these have kept.

17:32

I thought every day with one of

17:34

his breathing techniques from your fragrance say

17:37

whether it's it's setting yourself up them

17:39

to breeding for the weather is going

17:41

to pretty get your circadian rhythm fixed.

17:45

In. Over. There is

17:47

just eating more vegetables. Or

17:49

changeable visuals you're eating. Some

17:51

people it can be as simple as the state and

17:54

com vegetables are full of toxins that are trying to

17:56

kill us. What are you saying here? Ah ha ha

17:58

ha. I know

18:00

exactly what you're talking about. At least

18:02

according to some dietary gurus that are

18:04

receiving a lot of attention lately. Yes,

18:08

yes. Just

18:11

as you said in your podcast, because I know what

18:13

you're talking about, and the lectins is... Yeah, I mean,

18:16

I've spoken to a lot of people. I've actually had people come off lectins

18:18

to see what it did to them, and most people doesn't make any difference.

18:20

But then occasionally I'll have a patient come in and say, you know, you

18:22

mentioned that lectin thing. I came

18:24

off lectins and now I'm out of pain. So about one

18:26

in ten people who I suggested it to. I felt a

18:29

difference. But yeah, I know what you

18:31

mean. Yeah, no, and just

18:34

to be clear, since we're going down this

18:36

rabbit hole, I'm not suggesting that people,

18:40

particularly people who have symptoms or

18:42

illness, are going

18:44

to be universally tolerant of

18:46

all plant foods. Of

18:48

course, it's a given that some people will

18:51

be intolerant to all kinds of foods, plant

18:53

or animal foods, to eggs, to dairy, to

18:56

beans, to whatever. And generally

18:58

the unhealthier you are and the unhealthier your

19:00

gut is, the more likely you are to

19:03

react negatively to one or another food.

19:07

What I was mocking was

19:09

simply the view

19:12

that some people are trying to

19:14

promote that is a totally, completely,

19:17

wildly distorted view of the scientific

19:19

evidence that plant foods

19:21

are full of toxins that

19:23

are trying to kill us. While animals

19:25

can run away from us, plants can't run away

19:27

from us and therefore they evolved this mechanism to

19:31

build toxins that dissuade

19:33

us from consuming them and these toxins are

19:36

poisonous, therefore you should not eat plants because

19:38

plants are trying to kill you. Which

19:41

is about as logical as someone

19:43

saying, hey, exercise boosts

19:45

these oxidants. Exercise

19:49

boosts, it spikes oxidative stress. And

19:51

didn't you just say that oxidative

19:53

stress causes all these diseases and

19:55

therefore exercise must be bad for

19:57

you. Exercise is trying to kill

19:59

you. get rid of exercise out of

20:01

your life you'll be much healthier. It's basically

20:03

the same logic as that you can make

20:06

a logical sounding argument for

20:08

all kinds of nonsense if you're so

20:11

inclined. But anyway,

20:14

back to the question here. Okay, so root

20:18

causes of blood pressure. Yeah. Yeah,

20:20

so the recall is so I

20:24

from chiropractic

20:26

became a functional,

20:28

functional nutritionist, Dr. Bob Rachowski.

20:31

He, he

20:34

formed something called the Magnificent Seven Health

20:36

Strategies. And so basically, you

20:39

think right, you've got to get your thinking right. Because

20:41

if you aren't making the right choices, and

20:43

so one of those choices is whatever you're

20:46

doing for you now isn't working. So if

20:48

you're basically a complete carnivore, become

20:51

a vegan for a while and see what happens.

20:53

If you're vegan, and you're not really well, eat

20:55

some meat and see what happens. Try

20:58

something different. But Sarah, you've got to have you've got to get

21:00

your thinking right. But then you've got

21:02

to communicate with yourself. So you

21:04

got to make sure that your immune system

21:07

is working, you've got to make sure that

21:09

your nervous system is working, you've got to

21:11

make sure all your signaling molecules, such as

21:13

nitric oxide is working big one important for

21:16

blood pressure. And then there's all

21:18

those plant molecules, of course, which are

21:20

nothing more than hormetic stresses, in the

21:22

most case, which make us stronger. Where

21:24

did I learn about hormesis? So

21:29

you have your think

21:31

right, communicate right talk right, then you've

21:33

got to eat right and drink what you've got to

21:35

have the right things going because you don't have the

21:38

basic fuels to actually build muscles build

21:40

endothelial tissue build brain tissue, then you're

21:42

not going to function. And

21:47

then you've got to move right. If you're

21:49

not exercising, then you're basically if you're

21:51

not exercising, then it's basically you're inviting

21:54

depression into your life. And you're

21:56

also down regulating gluteus thione, which is

21:59

really important. And I think that's one of

22:01

the reasons why exercise is so good for people,

22:03

because it actually makes your glutathione levels go up

22:05

higher, unless you exercise too much, in which case,

22:07

it will plummet again. Yeah. So you've got to

22:10

get just right. So I feel like

22:12

with a lot of my patients who are coming in

22:14

with high blood pressure and that exercise, they're going out

22:16

and running marathons, I say, look, you're

22:20

basically exercising too much, you've got to bring it down. Because

22:22

I think there's something called the Goldilocks

22:24

Zone exercise, especially for healing. Agreed.

22:27

Agreed. Yeah. This is

22:29

one of my weaknesses, actually, that I

22:32

sometimes am guilty of doing too much

22:34

exercise. I can't help myself. I'm just

22:36

too much like a little kid. I

22:40

love surfing and rock climbing and tennis

22:42

and weightlifting and

22:45

capoeira and jiu-jitsu, and I just

22:48

do too much sometimes. But

22:50

it's too much fun and I can't help myself. So

22:55

sometimes I have days I do four or five hours of

22:57

exercise and it's just too damn much. I

23:01

can handle it because I'm very energetic, I'm

23:03

very resilient, but I'm

23:05

sure my glutathione pays the price for

23:08

it and a little extra glutathione support

23:10

is useful for me. But

23:13

you rest well as well, don't you? It's the recovery.

23:16

Of course, yeah. I mean, I have to.

23:18

Which I know. I know you know. I know you know.

23:21

Yeah. I feel really sorry for

23:23

you. Really sorry. Really sorry. Really

23:25

sorry. So you have move right and

23:28

then sleep right. There you go. We've just moved

23:30

on to that. You've got to recover. So

23:33

if you're eating correctly, if you're

23:35

taking an armful of nutrients, but if

23:37

you're not sleeping enough, you're not going

23:39

to heal. You have to build recovery

23:42

into your daily system. And

23:44

then finally, Dr. Bob calls his poop right, because he's

23:46

American, but basically means detox

23:48

and the whole detoxification process. So he's not

23:51

just talking about the bowel, he's talking about

23:53

the nerve of the kidneys and even sweating

23:55

because we lose some toxins throughout the way.

23:57

But before you go on with your

23:59

explanation. How would an English person say poop

24:01

right? We

24:03

just say poo. Pooh, unscent of poop.

24:06

No poop. Pooh, yes. Got

24:09

it. It's

24:11

an important difference. I felt our

24:13

listeners should be aware of. Well,

24:18

the curious thing is most English people, when

24:20

they hear Americanisms, we know

24:22

what it's meant because we listen and watch

24:24

so much American TV. But

24:26

it's the other way this doesn't work.

24:28

Yeah. OK, so.

24:31

It varies from the mechanism seven, basically. Think

24:33

well, move well, poo

24:36

well, and

24:40

sleep well. What are we at?

24:42

Four? Well,

24:45

move well, sleep well, poo

24:47

well. Drink well, hydration. Eat

24:49

well, hydrate well. That's six.

24:51

What's the seventh? Think

24:53

well says, think well. So

24:55

it was a communication, talk well. So

24:58

communication, there's both outward communication, which is

25:00

important. But there is Dr.

25:02

Paz talking about the inward communication. So

25:04

nervous system, immune system, make sure your

25:07

chemicals are correct, basically.

25:10

Is there any one of those

25:12

that you feel you want to delve into

25:14

here as having special

25:16

importance with regards to blood pressure? Well,

25:20

it is. I mean, with,

25:22

as I'm sure you are, there are so

25:24

many amazing chemicals out there. So we could

25:27

just talk about glutathione and how amazing that

25:29

is. But with blood pressure, and again, there's

25:31

lots of stuff about nitric oxide. So that's

25:33

one of the ones that I talk about

25:35

very briefly in my book, because my book

25:37

is really short for a reason.

25:39

I wrote it in seven days, and I wanted to keep

25:41

it simple so that there would be some actionable stuff, because

25:43

it was the stuff that is the most basic stuff that

25:45

I think if people just did this before they came to

25:47

see me, they might be fixed, and they might not ever

25:50

need to see me. And

25:52

they are basically, make sure you're eating enough

25:54

of the right vegetables and varied

25:56

diet. Supplement-wise, probably

25:58

magnesium is the number. number one. The

26:01

number one chemical to actually try and work

26:03

on is nitric oxide. And if you're eating

26:06

the right fruits and vegetables and there are

26:08

some nutrients that can help and there's some

26:10

simple exercises and movements that help with that

26:12

as well. Sleeping right, hydrating right, which is

26:14

more than just drinking water. I don't know.

26:16

Have you read the book Quench?

26:19

I haven't. No, it's been recommended to me, but I haven't

26:21

gotten around to it. That was fascinating.

26:24

For years before I read Quench, I was always saying

26:26

you've got to eat, eat

26:29

your water and drink your greens. So I

26:32

was getting people drinking lots of green juices, but if

26:34

you really want to hydrate, you've actually got to have vegetables

26:37

and fruits and things full of water

26:39

in its natural state. And

26:41

then I learned about structured water, exclusion zone water,

26:44

and that's why plants have their shape. And that's

26:46

why when you get rid of the water,

26:48

they will wilt because it's water that's giving them

26:50

structure and it does the same thing to our

26:52

muscles and to our blood vessels and

26:55

how exclusion zone water works with

26:57

nitric dioxide and nitric oxide, nitric

27:00

oxide and cholesterol sulfate in blood

27:02

vessels to make them really smooth

27:04

so that they can actually propel

27:07

red blood cells along them. It's fascinating, but it's

27:09

all, and it's all interacts with sunlight as well.

27:15

Yeah. So anyway, so your nitric oxide would

27:17

be one. Okay.

27:19

Let's, let's go deeper

27:21

into that nitric oxide

27:23

story because there's,

27:25

I think, a few layers of

27:27

importance to it. One is that

27:29

I think is really, it's becoming

27:32

less of a secret, but I think it's really

27:35

in this category of

27:37

a true health secret,

27:39

something that is really

27:41

widespread that we have a lot of

27:44

literature on, but is very

27:47

little known. And that

27:49

is the importance of nasal breathing. So

27:52

when you are a mouth breather, you

27:55

generate virtually no nitric oxide,

27:57

but when you breathe through

27:59

your nose. you have a six-fold

28:01

increase in nitric oxide production. We

28:04

know that nasal breathing is extremely

28:06

important for nitric oxide production. We

28:10

also know that a large proportion

28:12

of people are

28:15

mouth breathers or mouth breathers at

28:17

night and that

28:19

one simple little hack of taping

28:21

your mouth shut while you sleep

28:24

can ensure that you're breathing through your nose while

28:27

you during those seven eight

28:29

hours you're asleep at night

28:32

which makes a big difference for nitric

28:34

oxide production. Also there's a

28:37

strong link between breathing through your mouth and

28:40

poor oral health and

28:42

speaking of that there's also we now

28:45

have literature emerging on the

28:49

use of common

28:51

mouthwashes like you

28:54

know dental mouthwashes for oral hygiene

28:57

showing that it creates a systemic

28:59

rise in blood pressure. Why?

29:02

Because it turns out that

29:04

these antimicrobial mouthwashes we

29:06

have this conception that we need to sterilize

29:09

our mouth and kill all these bad germs

29:11

that are causing cavities and gum disease but

29:14

unfortunately our mouth is not only filled

29:16

with bad germs it's also filled with

29:18

good germs good bacteria like our gut

29:20

is and

29:23

when we use antimicrobials broad

29:25

spectrum antimicrobials in the mouth

29:28

we also turns

29:30

out kill off bacteria that

29:32

are responsible for producing nitric

29:34

oxide and that

29:36

is also a factor

29:39

in systemic blood pressure. So

29:42

you know simple things that most people are

29:44

totally unaware of breathing

29:46

through your nose supporting your

29:48

oral microbiome have

29:51

a profound impact on systemic

29:53

blood pressure levels as

29:55

a result of nitric oxide production. Do you have

29:57

anything that you want to add to that story?

30:00

Yeah, I mean,

30:02

certainly breathing through your nose and nitric oxide. And

30:04

one of the things I ask my patients

30:06

to do is hum as

30:08

well, because there's some research, but basically when

30:12

you hum and get your nasal sinuses

30:14

to actually resonate, they actually produce a lot more

30:16

nitric oxide, like two hundred percent. Yeah,

30:19

fifteen-fold. Yeah. So,

30:21

yeah, so basically you hum and

30:23

then you breathe in. But

30:25

yeah, with the measuring

30:27

nitric oxide in the mouth, I'm actually

30:31

skeptical about the relevance of that, because it is

30:33

only in your mouth. And so is it actually

30:35

enough? I don't know. There are probably other ways

30:37

that it's actually... No, no, no, no, no. So

30:40

to be clear, there are studies where they've

30:42

shown that use of mouthwashes

30:45

alters the oral microbiome in a way

30:48

that alters systemic blood pressure. Right.

30:50

So it's altering nitric oxide levels that

30:52

go systemic. Hmm. Okay.

30:56

I thought it might be another mechanism, but rather

30:58

than just that, because I know the microbiome of the

31:01

mouth will speak through the microbiome.

31:03

And we know that oral health is

31:05

related to heart health, perhaps through the

31:08

bacteria and virus causing inflammation through the

31:10

actual immune system around the heart. Yeah,

31:14

it's possible there are other mechanisms as well.

31:17

Usually there are. Usually in the body, it's

31:19

not just one. Yeah. Yeah. Because

31:21

I know oral health has always been tied to

31:23

heart health. That's the reason

31:25

why you keep your gums healthy. But

31:28

yeah, I wasn't aware about the oral

31:30

mouthwashes. And

31:32

I wouldn't have thought that the amount of nitric oxide produced

31:34

by the bacteria in your mouth would have been very

31:37

high or very useful. It

31:39

is. It is. It

31:42

is. And all you have to do to discover that

31:44

is kill the germs in your mouth and then you

31:46

can discover the measurable impact it has on your systemic

31:48

blood pressure. Nice. Lovely.

31:51

So what about diet

31:54

and supplements to support the nitric

31:56

oxide pathway? So

31:59

with Nitric oxide diet. So

32:02

loads of people are keen on

32:04

beets and beetroot because the

32:06

beets, because of the nitrates in it.

32:09

But yes, spinach as well. But

32:12

pretty much eating more of all

32:14

kinds of different vegetables. So in

32:17

England, we call it rocket, but

32:19

in America, it's called arugula. That

32:24

is very good. So there's foods that

32:26

actually contain the stuff that

32:28

you need to make nitric oxide. But

32:31

there's also other elements

32:33

in other foods that can actually

32:35

help you both regulate the nitric

32:37

oxide and improve the whole cycle.

32:39

So for instance, watermelon contains citrulline,

32:41

which is very much needed for

32:43

nitric oxide production in the body.

32:46

And then you need arginine, so things

32:48

like walnuts. So again, a

32:50

fair diet comes into handy here.

32:52

And then there are also nitric

32:54

oxide regulators as well. And

32:56

a lot of those tend to be so there's

32:59

a very, not that

33:01

I've actually actually used this because I can't find this in

33:03

the UK, it's black ginger

33:05

is meant to be an amazingly good

33:08

nitric oxide regulator. But then

33:10

there's medicinal mushrooms like Ganoderma lucidum, really

33:13

profoundly powerful nitric oxide regularly, because if

33:15

you have too much nitric oxide, that's

33:17

as much of a problem with inflammation

33:19

and pain than not enough. Because

33:22

well, again, Goldilocks, you've got to have

33:24

the right amount. So it's not just

33:26

about boosting nitric oxide, it's about regulating

33:28

it as well. So it's not just

33:30

about just having lots and lots of

33:32

beats. Although that will help.

33:36

And then you can have supplements like arginine,

33:38

citrulline, but they will only take it to

33:41

a certain level. And then there are certain, which

33:44

I have used in some cases,

33:46

there's a milk derived

33:49

polypeptide, the

33:52

name of which I've forgotten that actually boosts nitric

33:55

oxide way beyond the arginine

33:57

and all these other supplements.

34:00

you can get out there. But I'm a big fan of

34:02

just trying to get people to eat the right food, make

34:04

sure they've got the basics first before

34:08

going down specific nitric oxide

34:11

boosting supplements. Got

34:14

it. As

34:16

far as exercise

34:19

is concerned, is there a particular

34:21

type of exercise that is especially

34:23

useful for reducing blood

34:25

pressure, for example, weight training versus

34:27

endurance training being the classic dichotomy,

34:29

but also high intensity interval training

34:31

is in that mix? Well,

34:35

the one thing that I advise

34:37

everybody to do is they've got

34:39

high blood pressure and they are

34:41

exercising is I

34:43

tell them to only exercise as much

34:46

as they can while breathing through their

34:48

nose. And

34:50

that is the single biggest difference no

34:52

matter what they're doing, whether they're lifting

34:54

weights, whether they're running, especially if they're running,

34:58

just slowing down and breathing through the

35:00

nose is sometimes find where I see

35:02

the biggest drop in pulse rate. And

35:04

as pulse rate goes down, blood pressure

35:07

goes down. And

35:09

so that's usually the biggest recommendation. I

35:11

don't tell people to start doing something

35:13

they haven't been doing. I usually just

35:15

tell people to slow down, only breathe

35:17

through your nose. And

35:20

so it's not so much what exercise

35:22

is, how are you exercising first thing.

35:24

And then if they are exercising hours and hours

35:26

a day, I then actually say just just back

35:28

off it. And if they're not exercising, I

35:32

tell them to start out walking if they can.

35:36

So it depends on where they are as

35:38

to what exercise I will actually then prescribe

35:40

to people. But

35:44

generally slow and breathing through the nose. Okay.

35:46

And you don't think it matters whether

35:49

somebody's doing weight training versus, let's say

35:51

endurance training? And

35:53

well, it will do. I mean, if they're doing endurance training

35:55

and they've got high blood pressure, then I

35:57

tell them to. training

36:01

and if they have got really high blood pressure I

36:03

wouldn't get them lifting too heavy weights because while high

36:06

blood pressure itself is a symptom of

36:10

something, if they've got really high blood pressure, this is a

36:12

time when I care, I think it is acceptable to, you've

36:14

got to use the dots, if it is really high, high

36:17

blood pressure itself can cause burst blood vessels and

36:20

then when you're lifting a really heavy weight

36:22

or when you're trying to deadlift 100 kilos

36:24

and that's not going to be good. So

36:26

if it's really high, you want

36:28

to actually keep the stress low because at first

36:30

you want to decrease the stress that you've got

36:33

to do everything that's easy and gentle first of

36:35

all and I personally

36:39

in my clinical experience, I know that there are

36:41

studies saying this is going to be better than

36:43

that but in my clinical experience I just get

36:45

people just nasal breathe, do less

36:47

if you're doing too much and if you're

36:50

not doing any, start by doing something. I

36:52

don't care what it is, walking, lifting a

36:54

weight, doing some yoga, tai chi, pilates, just

36:57

do something to move your

36:59

body in some slow way. And what if

37:01

I'm already doing weight training three

37:03

or four times a week and

37:06

I'm walking a few times a week?

37:09

What would be the next step you'd recommend

37:11

to me? If

37:14

you're doing stuff that's primarily straight from walking,

37:16

I'd definitely add in something that's going to

37:18

be some form of stretching, so some form

37:20

of yoga, practice or some other

37:22

kind of stretching program that I may

37:24

give them, calisthenics of different kinds, different body

37:26

weight maneuvers. I'm a big fan of body

37:28

weight stuff, especially things that

37:30

puts me in awkward position and challenges me. But

37:34

stuff that's going to move your body slowly very

37:36

often to actually

37:38

help relax your fascia because the fascia,

37:42

so if you're moving fast, your fascia is

37:44

not going to relax and your fascia is

37:46

actually a very important support structure

37:48

for your muscles and for hydrating through the body.

37:52

So very often I will give

37:54

people very slow deliberate movements to

37:57

do, such as, you

37:59

can't see my eyes, arms. Basically, so basically,

38:01

so just sort of relaxing

38:03

one arm, the other hands up and

38:05

so you're basically just doing this kind

38:07

of very slow motion or just slowly

38:09

moving the feet or massaging the feet

38:11

just to get the action or relax,

38:13

slow, deep breathing, slowly slumping,

38:16

slowly unwinding, slowly bending to

38:18

the side, stuff that's slow

38:20

to mobilize water through the

38:22

body to help basically relax

38:25

all your tissues. So it's easier if your body

38:28

to pump the blood. Got

38:31

it. Any

38:35

other supplements that you found

38:37

are particularly useful? Have you

38:40

looked into aged garlic extract

38:42

at all? Yeah, aged garlic,

38:44

black garlic, yes, very useful.

38:46

So again, when you come

38:49

to nutrition and supplements, there's sort of

38:51

two things. One is

38:54

getting the basics. So

38:57

if your body isn't getting the basics

38:59

from a good varied diet and

39:02

also, and I also try and encourage my

39:04

patients to vary their diet through the seasons,

39:07

so they are getting true diet variation,

39:09

not just on a daily basis, but

39:11

throughout the season. And

39:13

maybe just a multivitamin or

39:16

the amount of people that come in

39:18

and they've got 20 or 30 different

39:20

supplements, they might have like

39:22

one particular B vitamin, then they've got some vitamin D

39:24

and some vitamin A, but they haven't got a multivitamin

39:27

that's just got a little bit of everything. And

39:29

that's usually where I start, just a little

39:31

bit of everything first of all. And

39:34

then you have specific things like hibiscus, which

39:37

can be really good for lowering

39:39

blood pressure. Really

39:42

good. And works wonders and

39:44

you can just get hibiscus T and

39:46

there's probably a few reasons why hibiscus T

39:48

might be so good for blood pressure, but

39:50

it's easy to get on. But

39:53

then you have this stuff that's specifically for

39:55

blood pressure, which I call, which I learned

39:58

from another chiropractor called green medicine. So

40:01

you basically, so you've got all these drugs

40:03

like ACE inhibitors and ARBs and beta blockers,

40:05

but then you've got natural things that basically

40:07

do the same sort of thing. So

40:10

you can substitute those in, but you don't want to

40:12

have to have people on green medicine the rest of

40:14

their life because it's, even though it's

40:16

probably better, it's not the same as

40:18

actually fixing the cause. And then you use this

40:21

green medicine to help lower the blood pressure until

40:23

it's under control. And if I

40:25

can speak a

40:27

little bluntly, actually, I feel that

40:29

there's been a transition within the

40:33

wellness movement and the

40:35

functional medicine movement where I would say, I

40:37

would go so far as to say most

40:40

functional medicine practitioners now are

40:42

basically just engaged in

40:45

green medicine. It

40:47

sort of run a bunch of tests

40:49

and prescribed supplements, but it's a similar

40:51

way of thinking to the conventional model

40:54

around using different chemical

40:57

interventions to interrupt biochemical processes

41:00

just as you said, replacing the

41:03

art of manmade pharmaceuticals

41:06

with natural substances.

41:08

Yeah. Yeah.

41:10

Yeah. Which seems like a

41:12

good step, but it's not still not just fix

41:15

the causes and then use your green medicine while

41:17

it's fixing the causes. Agreed.

41:20

Yeah. What are

41:22

the things you talk about is self health

41:25

responsibility. What do you mean by that? Well,

41:30

I hate the phrase actually is self

41:32

explanatory, but it's the fact that certainly

41:35

in the UK, we

41:38

have abdicated our responsibility for health

41:40

towards the NHS. Now the NHS

41:43

is fantastic in its, but

41:46

it's not the NHS's job to make sure

41:49

that you eat healthy food. It's

41:51

not the NHS's job to make sure that you

41:53

actually look after your brain. It's

41:56

your responsibility to

41:58

look after your body. And

42:00

the more people that actually

42:02

start truly understanding that it's

42:05

their body, it's their responsibility

42:07

to the thought, it's nobody

42:09

else's, it's not the government's

42:11

responsibility, it's not the doctor's

42:13

responsibility, it's your responsibility. And

42:15

so I came up with the phrase when

42:17

I was talking to a friend and I thought that's a good

42:19

phrase, I'm going to use that. So yes, self health responsibility and

42:22

the more people that actually become more interested in

42:25

looking up and which is pretty much

42:27

anyone listening to your podcast is self

42:29

health advocate, I'm sure. You

42:32

just made me think of certain people

42:34

that I know that consider

42:37

themselves evidence based quote unquote,

42:41

who are hardcore

42:46

proponents of the position of the view

42:48

that sort of they

42:51

love everything that's within conventional

42:53

medicine, they think conventional medicine

42:55

is science, like

42:57

it is synonymous with science. And

43:00

basically, by definition, anything that

43:02

has not been incorporated into

43:04

conventional medicine is

43:07

therefore not is pseudoscience

43:09

right? Similarly,

43:13

there's an attitude among these people

43:15

that the regulatory bodies of governmental

43:18

regulatory bodies, health bodies, for example,

43:20

the NHS or the equivalent bodies,

43:22

the CDC, the FDA and, and

43:25

so on in the United States, and

43:28

another government bodies that are

43:30

regulating things as simple as like the

43:34

amount of toxins in tap

43:36

water. And

43:39

so that's the amount of, for example, chlorine and ammonia

43:41

and disinfection byproducts and things

43:43

like that. And, and

43:47

among these types of people that I mentioned

43:49

that think this way they also tend to

43:51

think, well, these regulatory bodies are looking after

43:53

my health. And I'm not

43:55

going to drink tap water because if tap water

43:57

were unhealthy for me if it had anything. anything,

44:00

any substances in it that were

44:02

actually unhealthy. Of

44:04

course, these regulatory

44:06

bodies would be aware of that and they would

44:09

regulate it. So, obviously, I don't need a silly,

44:12

fancy water filter. That's

44:14

a bunch of quackery. That's a bunch of

44:16

pseudoscience because these governmental

44:18

bodies are looking out for me. It's

44:22

amazing to me that anybody

44:24

who is of even

44:27

reasonable IQ can think

44:30

this way when all you have to

44:32

do is look at

44:34

the food supply and look

44:36

at how many horribly

44:39

unhealthy substances exist in the

44:41

food supply and are allowed

44:44

by these regulatory bodies for

44:47

people to consume. We have advertising

44:49

on television for children to

44:51

go consume glow-in-the-dark

44:54

marshmallow lucky charms.

44:57

It's just remarkable

44:59

that anybody with

45:02

even a very low level

45:04

of IQ can maintain these positions, but

45:07

I routinely encounter people who think this

45:09

way. So,

45:15

anyway, this ties into what

45:17

you're saying because it is

45:22

not only the case that these

45:26

regulatory bodies are

45:28

not responsible for us, for

45:31

looking out for us, but

45:33

they are very often in

45:36

bed with industry financially in

45:38

a way where these

45:41

industries, for example, the producers of

45:43

the breakfast cereals with

45:45

glow-in-the-dark marshmallows and whatever else,

45:48

are being subsidized by the

45:50

government, are allowed

45:53

to advertise on television, and

45:56

that these regulatory

45:58

bodies are clogged. clearly not

46:00

looking out for our best

46:02

interest and not taking care

46:05

of us in a way where all we have

46:07

to do is sort of exist in this world

46:10

that has been laid out for us and

46:12

just make the decisions of drink the water

46:15

and eat the food that has been presented

46:17

to us and voila, we will be healthy.

46:19

In fact, it is actually

46:21

the polar opposite of that situation where

46:24

the modern world is so

46:27

at odds with what is

46:29

needed for the biological health of

46:31

humans, the optimal,

46:34

the normal function of

46:36

the human body that we

46:38

have to go out of our way to

46:40

make all of these decisions constantly and what

46:42

we eat and what we drink and other

46:45

aspects of our lifestyle that are not the

46:47

norm of those around us, that are different,

46:49

that get us seen by the people around

46:51

us, hey, why are you acting so weird?

46:53

Why don't you eat that? What are you

46:55

on some crazy diet? Why

46:58

are you so extreme with your exercise? Why do you have

47:00

to go to bed at this time? And you know, right,

47:02

like we you have to you have to be a weirdo.

47:05

And according to the

47:07

way that most people see

47:10

things in order to actually be healthy

47:13

in a world that is so seemingly

47:15

almost perfectly designed for us to be

47:18

unhealthy. Yes, a

47:20

health deviant. Yes, exactly. Have

47:22

you had it? Have you read the book health deviant? Can

47:24

I ask you a question? Another

47:26

one's using. Okay. Health deviant.

47:29

Health deviant. Health deviant.

47:31

I'll email you

47:34

anyway. There's only about 1%

47:36

of the population that are health deviants because

47:38

they go against the norm and

47:40

are actually healthy because they do all this stuff.

47:45

So we've got a few minutes left here. What

47:49

what would you like to leave people

47:51

with here? And I know that one topic

47:54

that you wanted to mention was was about

47:56

blood chemistry analysis. Do you want to say

47:58

any any words on that? before we wrap

48:00

up. Yeah, I'll be really, really quick

48:02

for you as well. This

48:05

is my favorite case.

48:07

And it

48:10

was a patient referred from America for

48:12

back pain. He was already

48:14

seeing a chiropractor, his son lives here, and

48:16

he was actually coming over to the UK anyway. But

48:19

I said, well, let's have a look at your

48:21

blood. And basically, his blood test actually says, his

48:23

doctor said there was nothing wrong. But

48:25

his blood test actually told me what

48:29

was causing his back pain because the chiropractor

48:31

wasn't going anywhere. And it was basically, the

48:33

doctor says there's nothing wrong, but

48:35

actually he had a kidney problem. Okay,

48:39

which is causing acid

48:41

based dysregulation. And it was actually

48:43

with acid based dysregulation. And that

48:45

was probably being caused by one

48:47

of his blood pressure pills. And

48:50

so you can actually isolate from his blood test,

48:53

the blood pressure pill that was causing his back

48:55

pain. And when he stops that blood pressure medication,

48:57

his back pain goes away. And

48:59

now we worked with him to actually lower his blood pressure,

49:01

so he didn't need to pill. But he

49:03

was going to a chiropractor, doctor saying there was nothing wrong.

49:05

So the biggest thing I'd say to people is, is

49:08

an even functional medical doctors, the ranges

49:10

they learn are actually not as scientific

49:12

as you think either. But the ranges

49:14

that medical doctors look at are so

49:17

tremendously 30 years out

49:19

of date and dangerous. I

49:21

see blood tests from cardiologists and

49:23

the cardiologists are saying there's nothing wrong, but

49:26

there's actually three or four really

49:28

early warning signs that your cardiovascular system is in danger.

49:31

So the biggest thing I'd say to people is

49:33

get a second opinion from someone who

49:35

is trained in functional medicine or someone

49:37

who's been trained by Dr. Brian Walsh

49:40

in functional blood chemistry analysis, is you're going

49:42

to get a lot of advances and you're

49:44

going to get a lot of early warning

49:47

signs. And yeah, I've been trained

49:49

by Dr. Brian Walsh and I'm a big

49:51

fan of the man. Yeah, he's a good

49:53

personal friend of mine. I've had him on

49:55

the podcast at least two times and

49:58

taken courses with him absolutely. wonderful guy.

50:04

And what you just said there is actually a

50:06

great tie-in to what we're talking about earlier with

50:08

regards to these differences in paradigms. And

50:11

you can see right there in

50:13

the example you gave the downside

50:15

of just looking at blood pressure as a

50:18

mistake and treating it with a drug and

50:20

now all of a sudden it's causing this

50:22

dysregulation in other areas of the body that's

50:24

manifesting as back pain. Now the

50:27

person's going to either

50:29

seek out practitioners for the back

50:31

pain or take another drug painkiller

50:33

drug, hopefully not an opioid to

50:36

deal with their chronic back pain. You can see

50:38

how things quickly spiral out of control and it

50:40

all started with a simple

50:42

difference in paradigm of

50:45

how that health practitioner was

50:47

looking at their

50:49

blood pressure and what

50:52

based on the paradigm that they

50:54

were the lens that they were looking at it

50:56

through what they felt the solution

50:58

was. And you can

51:00

see totally different destinies and health

51:03

trajectories emerge out of that. So

51:06

Dr. Pick Card, I

51:10

was struggling with pronouncing his

51:13

name earlier because I've had a researcher

51:17

on the podcast previously, a French

51:20

researcher with the last name Pick

51:22

Card and this is

51:24

Pick Card and so

51:26

there's a big difference between those pronunciations.

51:29

So is

51:31

there anything you want to leave people with as

51:33

we wrap up and please let people know where

51:35

they can find you and get in touch with

51:37

you if they're interested in working with you? Yeah,

51:41

I think the most important thing is no matter what's

51:43

wrong with you, if you think there's something

51:45

wrong and you want to find an answer,

51:48

find a doctor, find someone who's going to

51:50

listen to you and respect what you have

51:52

to say rather

51:54

than just finding someone that's going

51:56

to try and give you a list of answers and

51:58

try and to find out. fit you into

52:01

their paradigm. It's like, find

52:03

a surgeon who's going to listen to you and go, okay,

52:05

right, I am the right person. Or maybe you need to

52:07

go and see this person, try

52:09

this approach. That'd be the best

52:11

thing. And if you want to find

52:13

me, the best place is probably beatbloodpressure.com.

52:19

So beatbloodpressure.com. And there's some free resources.

52:21

And there's some places for you to

52:23

sign up. I actually do a weekly

52:26

webinar. So you can listen to that and listen to

52:28

those. And you can ask me questions. And I've got

52:30

a Facebook group as well. But just go to beatbloodpressure.com.

52:32

That's probably the easiest place to find me. Wonderful.

52:35

Thank you so much, my friend. Thanks for coming

52:37

on the show. It was a long time in

52:39

the making. I'm glad we finally made it happen.

52:41

And thank you for sharing your expertise on this

52:43

subject with my audience. I really appreciate it. Thank

52:46

you. It's a pleasure, Ari. Keep on going.

52:48

You are a treasure, a gold mine. Hey

52:58

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53:00

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