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I'm peeling layers to the onion. Welcome to the

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Airgainers Lang Show. How are you doing

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on this beautiful springtime Monday

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morning. I

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mean, it's not spring. It's thirty five

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degrees outside. It's not spring and it's not Monday.

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What can you do this?

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dude. Are we groggy?

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I'm not groggy. I feel really good.

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Oh, I must be projecting. Yeah.

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I won't let you. Well, how are you feeling? You

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get some good sleep last night. We we used to

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talk about your sleep all the time. Yeah.

0:32

It's been a week of I've been eating a pint

0:34

of ice cream. Right before I go

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bed. So it's almost like I'm

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loading the plane with the baggage. I

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just eat. And last

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night, I didn't eat it. And I don't know if I

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slept any better.

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Oh, that well, that's fascinating proposition.

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Yeah. I think the ice cream is important

0:52

for good sleep. There's no I don't know

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if Uberman Labs. I don't know what he would say.

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But yeah. I don't know. I didn't sleep.

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I don't I don't feel very good right

1:01

now. Well, I'm gonna

1:03

work into it though. That's good. I mean,

1:05

you're gonna we're gonna find that energy,

1:07

and I think there's no better place

1:10

to start than with friendship and the friendship

1:12

of someone like Precision Pro

1:13

golf. Yeah. Precision Pro has been

1:16

a great friend of the brand. We I mean,

1:18

going back in time, the rangefinder we made

1:21

was a moment for me. And,

1:24

yeah, anyway, go to PrecisionPro and get your

1:27

get your get your game

1:28

straight, get your game sorted.

1:29

If you don't have a rangefinder, I didn't have

1:31

one for a long time because I was the

1:33

kind of golfer who

1:35

really Well,

1:37

we we'll talk about this because we played last weekend.

1:39

But I don't I don't really give shit about score. I don't really

1:41

think about those things.

1:42

That's fine. But, I mean, like,

1:45

then I wanted to play better. It's

1:47

not even about playing better. It's about playing with

1:49

information. I don't know how

1:52

anyone plays without a

1:53

rangefinder. Just simple, basic

1:55

take. I don't get it. Yeah.

1:57

How do you think they were doing it back in the

2:00

old Tom Orest days? Think they just had

2:02

a guy, a little boy whose job was to pace it

2:04

out? Well, I mean, you know, there there

2:06

were more courses that had the

2:08

sticks in the middle. You know, or the

2:10

or the plates in the middle. So at least you could step

2:12

that off. And and here's I will say the one

2:14

downside to arrange

2:15

finders, you start firing at pins that you have no

2:17

business firing. That is so true. I start

2:19

I start firing at, like, lips of bunkers. I

2:22

start I start to break down the course.

2:24

I'm like, okay. So it's about two

2:26

hundred and seventy. Just

2:28

need to carry that

2:29

bunker. You know, I start to get a real ambition.

2:31

You're

2:31

thinking about carrying the bunker at two seventy.

2:34

Like like a dumbass. To be very

2:36

specific. You saw it not work out a couple

2:38

times on Sunday. Oh,

2:40

man. I mean, I think, like,

2:42

the number you want is middle of the green.

2:44

So that that's That's a golf thing.

2:47

That's what you wanna be doing, Scott. We

2:50

had long running joke, Keffer and myself

2:52

when we do our matches. If someone

2:54

misses a shot and it lands in middle of

2:56

the green because we only fire it

2:58

pens. Yeah. The other person just goes, Decade

3:00

golf. Decade golf. It's

3:02

a lifestyle. Analytics. You just couple

3:05

analytical voice. There's data in there.

3:07

But, yeah, I mean, for me, the rangefinder, I

3:10

just I'll put in my back pocket. Love having

3:12

it. I wanna know exactly what I'm looking at.

3:14

Part of my problems is that my eyes aren't so

3:17

great. So sometimes I'll see

3:19

things that aren't

3:19

real. He

3:20

really aren't. I I started wondering if you have core

3:22

solutions

3:24

of of when you said that I heard

3:26

C0ARSE.

3:30

Still the worst kind that

3:32

Yeah. No. I have very fine hallucinations

3:34

on the course. We

3:36

have a lot to talk about today.

3:38

I don't even know I I don't even really know where to be. And obviously,

3:41

we're gonna do q and a. But I

3:43

think that the question that's on

3:45

a lot of people's

3:46

minds, is this new documentary?

3:48

I think we should talk to a documentary.

3:51

Supposedly, it's a documentary. don't know about

3:53

that. So full swing came out

3:55

on February fifteenth. We're gonna be

3:58

up front in

3:58

Canada. I don't wanna speak for you. You haven't seen whole

4:00

thing? I've seen at

4:04

least one episode, and can't remember if I've seen two

4:06

and a half or one and a

4:07

half. Yeah. And I've seen about just about the

4:09

same. And there's

4:11

already a lot of punditry around

4:13

it. The

4:14

background is What is the what are the pundits saying? The

4:16

pundits are saying kind of what the f one

4:18

fans were saying when Drive to Survive came

4:20

out. Same production company, executive producer

4:23

Jacob Reese Mogg, and they're

4:25

saying, like, oh, this doesn't really do it for

4:27

me. You know, the golf fans. Yeah. So what you're

4:29

saying is when I watch Drive

4:31

to Survive, I was hooked

4:33

like like full on,

4:36

couldn't stop watching. Formula

4:39

One fans. People who already liked Formula

4:41

One were like the saying it.

4:43

Exactly. And of course, there are the

4:47

the, you know, the memes accounts and

4:49

the general golf fodder that uses

4:52

any single information to be like oh

4:54

wow. Tiger is the most amazing thing or

4:56

oh wow. Golf is hard.

4:58

And I'm I'm not even really taking that

5:00

as serious critical

5:03

opinion of of this kind of a show. But

5:05

I mean more so, where

5:09

people's where people are getting

5:11

what they're getting out of this show, I wanna start

5:13

positively, which is we got a text from

5:15

Natalie last night. Who's

5:18

who's, you know, knew on the team. And

5:21

she texted us a picture of her she came home

5:23

and her boyfriend neither know anything about

5:24

golf. They're not really in golf. And her boyfriend was

5:26

watching the show and it was hooked already.

5:29

I thought he was watching the Genesis. I thought

5:31

he was watching it

5:31

all. Okay. didn't zoom out. I don't know. Maybe not.

5:33

No. It might even more so to say they started

5:36

watching the show earlier this week. That's the positive

5:38

side of the show. I think we can we can say

5:40

that. Right? Yeah. We're really happy that

5:42

people are giving the game a chance

5:45

who might not otherwise before. However,

5:49

I'm personally a little confused with

5:51

the even the opening framing

5:53

of the episode for the first episode. And

5:55

what I wanted to ask you is less so

5:57

from the golf perspective, which is what I've seen

6:00

a lot of people talk about with why aren't we talking

6:02

more about the specifics of the sport?

6:04

Or it's they're, you know, they're dumbing it down from

6:06

a filmmaker's perspective. From the

6:08

craft perspective. What was

6:11

your what was your just initial

6:13

opinion when you were watching it and

6:15

thinking about how they were framing the

6:16

story? I mean, I'm not

6:19

interested in reality television. Yeah.

6:21

That that's where I went. I was just like, jeez.

6:23

Like, I mean, frenemies. That

6:25

is I was the name of the first episode. The episode.

6:27

Yeah. Look, I mean, can do you mind even me one

6:30

favor, Jojo. Can you just turn the volume down fifteen

6:32

percent in the headphones?

6:33

Yeah. I've I've

6:34

never heard you say that before, but I could do it. Yeah.

6:36

I just I can't, like, are

6:38

you the headache? Yeah. I'm

6:39

a headache. You wanna go headphones off? No.

6:41

I took some adv advil. I like I need to hear

6:43

Okay. Go ahead.

6:45

Thank you, though. Yeah, I took some agile. I took

6:47

the liquid gels. This not

6:49

a current partner. Not

6:51

yet. Not yet. But if these headaches persist.

6:55

Yeah. No, I mean, it's it's, you

6:57

know, there's a there's

7:00

a method Right? To getting people to watch

7:02

things and, you know, clearly clearly,

7:07

they're they're I will say that

7:09

within within that thing that I'm not

7:11

super interested in, there was

7:14

insight and access that obviously is

7:16

unparalleled. I mean, even you

7:18

know, the level to which we

7:20

got to see Augusta or

7:23

the locker rooms or things like that. I mean, I've

7:25

been in the player's locker room and

7:30

you feel like you don't belong in there. Right? Like,

7:32

I couldn't imagine bringing a

7:34

camera crew into the locker. I mean, that takes

7:36

that takes some football, you

7:39

know. And

7:43

Yeah. I mean, look, the the the only thing that

7:45

I thought was interesting was

7:50

when you get to this, I believe it's the second episode,

7:52

which is basically about Brooks and Scotty. Yep.

7:55

That's where it got really interesting to me because

7:58

Well, you're

7:58

talking about the mentors. The mental differences

8:01

between the two and their approach to the golf?

8:03

Yeah. Mental. I would say spiritual.

8:05

Mhmm. One of them is clearly

8:08

playing for themselves for a goal.

8:10

And the other is I mean,

8:13

you know, I've met Ted Scott Bubba's

8:15

former Caddy's Caddy's current Caddy. And,

8:18

you know, he's he

8:20

is part of the

8:22

group on tour that meets on Friday nights

8:25

to have church service before the weekend.

8:27

That's right. And I've

8:29

been to one. It's like it's

8:32

it's it's a absurd idea that

8:35

is beautiful. Right? It's just that

8:37

it's crazy to me that you would put

8:40

together a bunch of people that essentially

8:42

from Brooks' perspective, and

8:45

from the outsider's perspective, we

8:47

think that these people just wanna

8:49

beat each other. And sure, Jordan

8:52

and JT talk about that, but

8:54

there's also group that doesn't feel that way. And

8:57

and what really what I really

8:59

saw when I was, like, closing out

9:01

the night last night and was,

9:03

like, thinking about golf. It's, like, Golf

9:08

really is just a it's like a

9:10

it's like a pie contest. Or like

9:13

how fast can you solve the Rubik's cube contest?

9:15

It's very nerdy in that sense. You're

9:19

just solving a puzzle. With your body

9:21

and your mind and the elements. And

9:24

the question is, can you solve the puzzle in fewer

9:26

moves than everybody else? So

9:28

with with tennis and

9:31

with racing, these other two shows that

9:33

this producer has made on Netflix, you're

9:35

trying to get something past

9:37

another person --

9:38

Yeah. -- whether it's a ball or a vehicle.

9:40

And

9:40

sometimes it's like death defying in

9:42

the vehicle sense. Which is why drive to

9:44

survive is just always going to be the best.

9:47

Even if you aren't a fan, I

9:49

mean, I don't have any objectivity there. I couldn't

9:52

say, But

9:54

but golf by its nature is sort of

9:56

a strange proposition for

9:58

a sport. It's it's it's

10:01

literally you could be playing

10:03

alone. There's no there's no

10:05

reason to even have a twosome. The

10:08

reason is because of timing, but you

10:10

could it just doesn't it

10:12

doesn't imply any other players,

10:15

except that if they look at the leader board,

10:17

they are innately implied. Because they know

10:19

where they're at. But without the leader board, it's like I'm just

10:21

playing my own game. And the

10:23

thing that was really the most interesting to me is

10:25

when Ted right before the

10:29

Saturday round at

10:29

Augusta. Ted was talking to his new

10:32

player who has, like, basically

10:34

risen unlike any other in,

10:36

like, what, six weeks. Ted

10:39

was like, you know, you've done this before. It's

10:42

just a regular day, and

10:44

God controls everything.

10:46

Yeah. I remember what a calming

10:49

bedside manner he had at the last masters too.

10:51

Yeah. And I think there's something special

10:53

about the the way in which Scottie won

10:55

that, but missing two

10:57

two footers at the very end. Yeah.

10:59

You know? Okay. Didn't even yeah. Exactly.

11:02

Like, this this so laid

11:04

back. I think in the episode you're talking

11:06

about, right, Brooks is freaking out

11:08

in his mansion over his swing. This

11:10

is the cut. Can't listen to his wife.

11:12

Yeah. And then it's just cutting to Scotty and

11:14

he's he's picking his ice caramel

11:16

coffees or something. He's like, how many times

11:18

do you get to win a PGA Tour event in your life? And

11:20

he's just coming at it from a place of gratitude

11:23

and, like, What

11:26

I really saw is that and and I'm

11:28

not a religious person. I don't go to

11:30

church. I don't read the bible. I

11:32

don't have

11:34

an image of God in my head or anything like

11:36

that. But just

11:39

just from a blurry standpoint, right,

11:41

there's a person who believes in something

11:44

other than themselves, and then

11:46

there's the person who believes in themselves.

11:49

And so it's like this mindset of like, I do

11:51

everything or

11:54

I do nothing. And that to me

11:56

was the most striking thing. And I honestly wish

11:58

I mean, they clearly told enough of that story so that

12:00

that's what I took from it. I wish it was

12:02

more about that. And

12:05

I almost would like to see a show that takes

12:08

that theme and

12:10

spreads it across science,

12:12

you know, other

12:14

sports, business, politics. Because,

12:18

I mean, that to me is

12:20

really the interesting thing, not so much like

12:23

what kind of money game we're playing or,

12:26

you know, or,

12:28

like, you know, their

12:30

their, like, comfort level with like,

12:33

I remember when JT was working out, they were, like, show

12:35

the label, and JT was, like, you pay

12:37

me, I'll do it. And I was just like, wow.

12:39

Hey, it's a business. I get it. I know that's

12:41

like on some level, but like yeah.

12:44

I was just like, I wanna see really

12:48

the mindset that it takes

12:50

to win, but not at all costs because

12:53

I wouldn't imagine that winning is better than

12:55

being

12:56

happy. I don't know.

12:58

Yeah. I've never won a PJ Tore event. Not

13:00

yet. But when I looked at

13:02

the difference between Scotty

13:05

and Brooks, clearly, we're talking of a different points of

13:07

their

13:07

career. Who knows? Three or four years of Scotty

13:09

has a dry streak. He could turn

13:12

into the same person. I doubt it. Yeah.

13:15

Seems unlikely. And even even

13:17

Jordan who's gone through

13:19

plenty of different stretches. It's

13:22

just fascinating to see how these guys

13:25

are how different

13:27

they can have and how different the perspectives

13:29

can can be, and that's beautiful about the Game of

13:31

Golf. But the

13:34

the reality TV framing of

13:36

the entire show is felt

13:38

different than Formula One. And I know that Drive

13:40

to Survive has evolved over the number of seasons.

13:43

And there are people who are frustrated

13:45

by the fact that it leaned more and more

13:47

into their drama on the reality TV

13:49

of it and less from the racing as it

13:51

progressed? Well, yeah. And and that's probably

13:53

because in the car

13:56

environment, in the in the pit,

13:58

in the paddock. Right? You've

14:00

got people that you simply cannot do

14:02

this without. And

14:05

when you win the race or

14:07

don't, you must recognize

14:09

that, you know, the sum of your parts

14:11

is greater than, you

14:14

know,

14:16

you know, the the whatever you I'm saying it

14:18

backwards, but you get what I'm saying like Yeah. That's connected

14:20

key, which is that the idea is that the sum

14:22

is greater than the when you add

14:24

the parts to

14:25

that. It's not just, you know, five hundred

14:27

million dollars and one hundred people. It's

14:29

more than that because you But in

14:32

golf, the players led

14:34

to this illusion that they

14:36

are doing all of it. Which Look, I

14:38

mean, the final The

14:40

the the hard line here is that Brooks

14:42

believes that Scottie does not.

14:45

Right? Like Scottie has someone

14:48

else in the attic that is not

14:50

of human form, and he's not

14:52

playing and this is this goes back to when I went

14:54

to that church service,

14:56

it was on the Champions Tour. And

14:59

it was Bernard

15:01

Langer was really the primary character

15:03

in this church service. And when I interviewed

15:05

him,

15:07

He said, golf, you know, a burner langer.

15:09

mean, like --

15:09

Yeah. -- the

15:10

guy knows how to win.

15:13

He said to me, you know,

15:16

golf became a lot more enjoyable and I

15:18

got a lot better at it when I realized I wasn't playing

15:20

for myself. So this is the theme, and

15:22

that was the first time I ever went to a

15:24

PGA Tour event with a camera

15:26

in a past that said media that allowed me to interview

15:29

people. So from the very beginning,

15:31

that's been the theme that's been the most interesting

15:33

to me in the sport because I

15:37

think golf basically provides

15:39

you with the the

15:42

the primary puzzle in golf is are you

15:44

doing it? You

15:47

mean, is it really you

15:50

that's in control?

15:55

You know? Yeah. I mean, it's

15:57

the it's the ultimate sport where

15:59

luck is luck is apparent in all

16:01

sports. But it's the one where because

16:05

after you hit the luck mostly

16:07

occurs after your motion --

16:09

Yeah. -- that you have a long time to consider

16:11

it. Every single bounce every

16:13

single trial in tribulation. And

16:15

all of that could be rendered useless by

16:17

someone else playing against themselves.

16:21

Hours earlier, hours later. Yeah.

16:23

Different wind. I had this image

16:25

of Brooks reaching for

16:28

those empty spaces where the trophies were

16:30

gonna go. I had this image in my head of

16:32

of as he is in his

16:34

own mind rightly so reaching for

16:36

the trophy is actually pushing it away. But

16:38

where a Scotty's just standing there and there's like

16:40

a magnetism to that where it's like, no,

16:42

I'm not really like reaching for

16:44

anything. I'm just here

16:46

for the ride. It's like this, the there's

16:49

this old concept of pastoral

16:51

grease wear. If you If

16:53

you go into the wilderness, the wilderness

16:55

recedes. Mhmm. But if you're willing

16:58

to stay, that's how vines

17:00

and ferns and floor and fauna

17:02

can kinda creep up to you. Mhmm. And

17:04

it's it's the act of not doing

17:07

that allows action to occur.

17:09

Yeah. Which is a beautiful way to think

17:11

about golf. I think on the

17:13

larger and this is again might be little

17:15

nerdy from an industry perspective. I

17:18

read an article a couple weeks ago and then

17:20

New York Mag about reality television and

17:22

documentaries and how

17:24

much much it's changed since the advent

17:26

of the streaming kind of

17:29

cosmic shift in our viewer consumption

17:31

habits. Yeah. And documentaries

17:34

just don't mean what they used to mean. I

17:36

mean, Netflix now will shell out ten, fifteen,

17:38

twenty million dollars for a

17:41

very particular form of documentary.

17:43

And you know this you know, far better

17:45

than I do in most people. But the most

17:48

important person in a documentary

17:50

process traditionally has often

17:53

been the editor they're the person who

17:55

has to go through all the source and find it.

17:57

And you're seeing now, not

17:59

just in like an org chart kind of way, but in

18:02

who gets paid and who gets credited

18:05

in new documentaries, the producer

18:08

is now the the

18:10

founding force of most documentaries because

18:13

they're actually they actually have scripts. Mhmm.

18:15

And they're actually finding things. And the producer

18:18

is involved now in crafting a narrative,

18:20

which in the past an editor would get three hundred

18:22

hours of source. And have to put something

18:24

together. And I couldn't help to think about that when

18:26

I was watching full swing, which is, this

18:28

isn't, you know, this is the third one they've

18:30

done. They kind of have a formula,

18:33

no pun intended, and I

18:36

I don't know. I I don't love that. I much

18:38

prefer a bias. But much

18:40

prefer when, you know, we go out with the camera

18:42

to do something like AIG. And

18:44

we have to find the story. Yeah.

18:47

We're not going out there with it with

18:49

a predetermined sense of what it will be.

18:51

Yeah.

18:54

Yeah. I mean, everything.

18:58

Right? You could look at business. Right? Like,

19:00

Walmart was a store.

19:04

You know? Right?

19:07

Apple was an idea in a garage. Right?

19:10

And now it's like, oh, you went to

19:13

MIT cool. Well, actually, before you

19:15

graduate, we wanna look at your project

19:17

and we may invest in it. And

19:19

it's like, businesses are

19:22

built from spreadsheets, not from ideas.

19:24

And it

19:28

would make sense that content would be the same way. I mean,

19:30

even on YouTube, right, when we look at

19:33

other you

19:36

know, the the ways that YouTube is used

19:38

is it's it's typically

19:40

engineered to, you know,

19:42

get you to watch the next

19:44

one. Which is fine. I mean,

19:46

I get it. There's a reason. But

19:51

how does that change the integrity of the story?

19:54

I don't know. I don't know. I mean,

19:57

I have found that, actually, since now

20:00

that we're in our fifth about to see our fifth

20:02

season have tried to survive, when

20:04

I watched season four, which

20:06

obviously portrayed the

20:08

twenty twenty one

20:12

season of Formula One where it came down

20:14

to one lap. I mean,

20:16

that was lost. I just didn't care.

20:19

You know, that was a different reason. But

20:21

ultimately, I found that, like, I

20:24

had transitioned successfully into

20:26

the sport itself, and so I was watching

20:28

races on their own. I didn't

20:30

want the drama. I didn't I didn't you

20:33

know what I mean? Like, I didn't that that stuff

20:35

was all kind of like

20:39

It was too edited, I

20:41

guess, is is to go back to your point. It's

20:44

very edited. And this is might be a weird

20:46

analogy but it's a lot of when you're

20:48

starting to get introduced to when you're younger

20:50

foods that you don't know so much like

20:52

agave or sugar or something that's

20:55

really sweet might get you to try

20:57

something, but then the more, you

21:00

know, your your taste buds

21:02

mature and the more you might get into

21:04

something, the less often

21:07

you want that sweetness and

21:09

the more you want what the underlying

21:11

flavors might be in the dish.

21:14

And and that's often how I

21:15

feel. It's definitely how

21:17

I felt about Friday night lights here or watch that TV

21:19

show? No. Texas

21:22

Man. Yeah.

21:22

One of my favorite documentaries that maybe you've seen

21:24

it American movie. I've

21:26

never seen it. What? I know. I know.

21:28

I know about it though. Yes. People. It

21:30

ends up on on lists. It is

21:33

without a doubt. It is a true documentary,

21:35

like, in the sense that there

21:38

is a rabbit hole and a filmmaker went

21:40

down it. Yeah. Give the quick

21:42

synopsis for those who wanna

21:44

check it out. Sell it. Elevator pitch

21:46

thirty seconds? I mean, it's

21:49

like unbridled character,

21:53

you know, like, It's

22:01

a great example of when just a

22:03

normal person is an extraordinary

22:05

character. And the

22:08

the mission that the character of American

22:11

movie is trying

22:13

to achieve is to make their own movie.

22:16

And it is one of

22:18

the funniest things

22:21

I've ever seen because

22:25

you just realized that I

22:28

don't know. I mean, the somber note is like,

22:31

it doesn't really matter what

22:35

you're doing or how it turns out.

22:37

It just matters that you love it. And

22:39

you see through this kind of like ridiculous

22:42

production of this film

22:44

that they're trying to make, this horror film, that,

22:47

you know, I

22:49

think his name is Mark Borshard. He's taking

22:51

himself very seriously throughout this whole

22:53

process. And, you know,

22:56

I mean, I think before he started working on

22:58

the film, he was a gravedigger in

23:01

North Central, the United States. Right? I don't

23:03

remember what state, but I mean North

23:05

Dakota or something. But, like, it's

23:07

just truly a

23:09

slice of life.

23:13

I don't know how that that that that gets

23:15

me, you know. But yeah. No. I mean, if that movie was made now,

23:17

it would just be a reality

23:18

show. Have I told about the horror film I really

23:20

wanna make this year?

23:22

No. I really I want I wanna do one.

23:24

We basically, there's

23:27

there's some set locations that

23:29

we have access to. And there might

23:31

be a ranch or two that

23:34

would make a perfect location. And I've

23:36

I've always I didn't I didn't grow up watching

23:38

horror at all. No scary movies in my life. It wasn't

23:40

until recently that that I even didn't watch

23:42

any of them. But I

23:45

I just think it'd be fun to make a horror film.

23:48

But

23:48

what's the premise? What's the plot?

23:50

Well, I'm gonna say this now and if you're

23:52

listening, you're not allowed to steal it. Okay? That

23:54

binding agreement verbal

23:55

contract. Don't steal it. Don't steal it. Don't steal

23:57

it. Blink once if you agree. Yeah. Okay.

24:00

Saw that. I saw couple of winks, and that's

24:02

scaring me, but I'm gonna tell you

24:04

anyway, I wanna do a paranormal high

24:06

storm movie. Okay.

24:09

So what does that mean? It means we

24:11

we start with this guy and He

24:15

he goes to do a HEist and he's

24:17

in a security deposit box or whatever.

24:19

We're in Laredo or in West Texas

24:21

or somewhere. And

24:24

unwittingly, he disturbs, he

24:27

gets he like, well, he's doing it, someone catches

24:29

him, and then he takes that guy out, you know,

24:31

like, simple smash and grab,

24:34

kills the guy, drags him onto the desert,

24:36

and bears him. But when he does that, he unwittingly

24:39

disturbs supernatural forces.

24:41

Right? And in the safety deposit box was

24:43

like a key or a map or something

24:46

that leads him to his big heist, you know, the last

24:48

this is the last one, guys. This is the

24:50

one that gets me out of the game. Yeah. And

24:53

then he goes on the heist in there. He

24:58

goes on the heist. He

25:00

he assembles his crew. We're gonna need you

25:02

to come in for one last one. This is

25:04

the last one. Right. And

25:07

the paranormal entities interfere

25:10

with the heist in a really scary

25:12

way. However, no one

25:14

understands why it's happening they

25:16

all think some of them don't believe, some

25:18

of them think that obviously it has something to do

25:20

with the current heist they're doing, but really it goes all

25:23

the way back to that that first karmic

25:25

moment that he that he experiences. So

25:27

this haywire, ghost

25:30

story, heist movie, and it was

25:32

like this total genre bender, And

25:35

I just think it'd be fun. That'd be great. I have

25:37

a I have the opening scene. I I know the

25:39

song. I'm gonna play you the song. Okay. Imagine

25:42

this. Right? So it opens kind of like get

25:44

out does or or something like that. And

25:48

this guy comes up the alley, he

25:52

he gets whacked in the head and then cut to

25:54

black, and then this song starts playing

25:57

and we're above a flatbed of a

25:59

truck. Yeah. Right? Crainshot through

26:02

the through the West Texas dusty

26:05

interstate to this, you

26:07

know, random patch of road and we're just zoomed

26:09

in and we're slowly pulling out

26:11

on this, you know, body in the back of the truck that's

26:13

kind of, like, moving around. And it

26:16

really sets the tone and going in

26:18

the background. Yeah. You

26:23

can imagine, right? Slope

26:27

hole? Yeah.

26:30

An old cowboy was riding out

26:33

one dark and seguede

26:37

up all the ragey rest of

26:39

And this is more a bit. So again, I'm sorry,

26:41

you tuned in to talk about golf. Blessening.

26:43

But here we are. But Jojo

26:45

just gave you the keys moving though. Don't

26:47

make that move. Don't make don't make that move even

26:49

though. Yeah. But I really don't wanna

26:51

say that. Okay. Someone someone will do that. Just

26:53

say it and leave it out. Okay. I was I

26:55

was thinking we'd call it and I'm I'm gonna mark

26:57

this. I think we call this some.

27:01

Oh, that's good. That's

27:03

really good. I like you,

27:05

Jojo. Yeah. And it's like it's

27:07

it's parodying a lot of b movies.

27:10

It's it's having fun with a

27:11

genre. Whatever. We'll we'll do it. Stay tuned.

27:13

I

27:14

like it. Go on the second channel. I like

27:16

it. Before we go to

27:18

a break, and then we I'd like to see the documentary

27:20

of the making of this

27:21

movie. You can make documentary or

27:23

can or Can do the heart what is it called

27:25

hearts of darkness? Yeah. Yeah. Oh,

27:27

wow. You can do you can do hearts of darkness. Well, you

27:29

know, the best one is Well, one

27:31

of my favorite movies is

27:32

FitzGraw, though. Okay. Which

27:34

have you seen that? I've not. Oh. This is just

27:37

a tough one for me. You know, haven't I'm supposed to

27:39

have seen that. Are you familiar?

27:41

It's not Hello? It's Berna Herzog. Yeah.

27:43

Closkin's key. Mhmm. And

27:46

it's the story about there's

27:49

this area in the Amazon

27:52

that has it's

27:55

known for rubber trees.

27:58

And at this point in time, we're talking about

28:00

nineteen forties or whatever, rubber

28:02

is a, you know, is like gold. And

28:06

the way they harvest the rubbers, you cut

28:08

the trees, you melt them down, you pour the rubber

28:10

out into these bowls, and then you

28:12

put it on a boat, because it's so heavy and

28:15

you get it out to the port and then they make the

28:17

tires. And but

28:19

there's this portion of the Amazon

28:21

River. That has way

28:23

more rubber trees than anywhere else, but it's

28:26

not accessible because there's waterfalls

28:28

on both sides. What

28:31

a setup? My guy Claus says,

28:35

I can access that. I just need to get

28:37

a boat there. So the way

28:39

he conceives of doing this is there's

28:42

he looks at the map and he sees there's this one

28:44

point where these two

28:46

rivers get very close to each other.

28:49

And he can drag a boat over

28:52

the land. So of course,

28:54

Verna Herzog, not afraid

28:57

of a challenge, not only says

28:59

we're gonna make a movie about this

29:01

story, which don't think is a

29:03

true story, but the

29:05

story of the making of the film is true. And

29:07

so in the film, they drag a boat over the

29:09

mountain. And then

29:11

in the documentary about the making of the film,

29:13

my best fiend,

29:16

they they go over what it actually took to

29:18

to bring the boat over the mountain. And

29:20

is it like the thing where the truth is stranger than

29:22

fiction? Yeah.

29:24

I mean, what what you're looking at here

29:27

is you've got a feature film And

29:30

then you've got a documentary about the film, and then

29:32

you've got Herzog has written books about

29:34

this whole story. And what you have

29:36

here is essentially like

29:39

a moment that was created by the

29:41

only person who could make it, Werner

29:44

Hardtog writer or director. You know, Werner

29:46

Hardtog's other films that he's made. He made a film

29:48

about the school

29:50

for the blind and deaf. And it

29:52

was the name of the film was called in

29:54

the land of silence and darkness. And

29:57

sort of in this film, they, you

29:59

know, you can't hear, you can't see,

30:01

you can't speak. The way they would communicate

30:03

is tap each other's hands to spell out letters.

30:06

Now imagine even just learning that. You have you

30:08

have no way to even get into

30:10

someone's ability to communicate. So

30:13

there were some people that had joined the school

30:16

that were able to hear

30:18

and then lost it. So they could

30:20

learn information and, like, there was this

30:22

one moment where they're walking around and

30:26

they were on a they went to a cactus

30:29

farm, and they were just touching these

30:31

cactus's because all they could

30:33

do is touch the only way that they could

30:35

communicate. mean, Verner was, like,

30:37

never

30:38

afraid. He did he did a film about

30:41

he

30:41

did a film about a a high jumper for skiing

30:44

a ski jumper.

30:47

You know, just just anyway

30:50

fits Geralta. You

30:52

have homework if you listen. Don't go watch, you know, watch

30:54

full swing. We love it. I don't need to watch full swing.

30:56

Fitzgaretto is still on there.

30:58

Okay. But before we go to Brent The one

31:00

the the interesting thing about watching

31:04

fill a swing or any show similar.

31:06

Right? Is that it does one thing sociologically

31:09

that's really important. Which is that

31:12

you have something to talk about. So

31:14

I don't I don't like, you know, watch full

31:16

swing, talk about it awesome, but,

31:19

you know, Watch FitzGARALDA. Talk

31:22

about that. Watch it's

31:24

a wonderful life. Talk about that. Right?

31:26

That that that those are stories that

31:28

are you

31:32

know, kind of

31:37

if Netflix gave you ten million dollars,

31:40

First of all, thank you, Netflix. And then

31:42

said, go follow one golfer

31:44

on the PGA Tour and tell story. I

31:46

would probably say, double it, give it to the next guy.

31:50

Eric's learning. I'm learning about

31:52

the

31:52

things. If they said, what?

31:54

Go follow APJ taur? Go follow one

31:56

player on the PGA tour and make a story around

31:59

it. Here's your documentary

32:00

budget. You can do whatever you want. We

32:02

want a story.

32:04

Oh, yeah. That's tough.

32:11

Yeah. I mean, Honestly,

32:16

it would probably be like,

32:23

That's a tough one. mean,

32:25

I will say I think JT's dad was one

32:27

of the more interesting characters. Yeah.

32:31

But it's

32:35

a hard question? Or it would it would probably

32:38

be the pastor.

32:39

Oh, you would just go right to the

32:41

group. I would just follow the pastor

32:44

because there's been a lot of different pastors that

32:46

lead this Friday night session. And,

32:49

you know, they're they are

32:51

themselves storytellers, athletes, you

32:54

know, and and, like, if you're looking

32:56

at, you know, the

32:58

last dance. One of the

33:00

best sports series documentaries ever

33:02

made, clearly lucky that the footage

33:05

was filmed at a time when you

33:07

know, we have nostalgia. But

33:09

like, who's the main character of that

33:11

story? Is it Michael

33:13

Jordan? Not really.

33:15

He doesn't really offer too much.

33:18

Who who do you think is the main character of the last

33:20

dance?

33:21

I mean, I think Michael Jordan is the subject.

33:24

Yeah.

33:24

Perhaps. But I think

33:26

the main character is is

33:28

more likely Phil Jackson,

33:32

or at least you wouldn't have

33:35

a title without

33:38

Phil's like, you

33:40

know, he's he's rich with

33:43

narrative. And so when we go when we

33:46

go film something, right, when we arrive

33:48

and we see, like, oh, wait, this character doesn't

33:50

have the juice, the sauce, the color,

33:52

the depth. Right? We need to find

33:54

them. And,

33:58

you know, like like American movie

34:00

or golf ball hunter, Right? That

34:03

that that's where you just walk into, you know,

34:05

you walk into a

34:07

shopping spree kind of.

34:08

Yeah. You walk into a parking lot

34:10

and some dude is putting on Scooby Gear.

34:12

Yeah. And so I think, you know, one of

34:14

the issues that we're struggling with here is that

34:17

to carry I mean, even I would

34:19

even say Formula One has more interesting

34:21

characters. They're mostly from

34:23

different countries. They are

34:26

literally trying to

34:28

accomplish something that is like, you

34:32

don't really just get lucky. And

34:34

with Formula One race, sure you do, but you

34:36

don't win the championship that way. And

34:39

overall, they've got this

34:42

this amount of pressure and stress

34:44

that basically comes down to ninety minutes of

34:47

like fast twitch reactions you

34:50

hear them talking in the mic. They see what what

34:52

are they You know what

34:54

I mean? Like, this whole thing is

34:56

insane. So with golf, it's

34:59

a little bit more like, or it

35:02

there's so many players. Anyone

35:04

can kind of win.

35:07

Yeah. And you if you look at if

35:09

you look at betting week to week on

35:11

PGA tour --

35:12

Yeah. -- it's ridiculous.

35:13

I mean, JT had a one percent chance

35:16

of winning the PGA championship on Sunday morning.

35:18

Something like that. Wasn't that what this one? If that,

35:20

yeah. And, like, anyone can win. So

35:22

but, like, with racing.

35:24

No. No. Not anyone can win. Just straight

35:26

up. Yeah. You have for instance, McLaren

35:28

this week, which came out

35:30

publicly and

35:31

said, we're hoping for top four this year. We're

35:33

hoping to return to the top four this year.

35:35

Yeah. Nobody says that in Gauzy. And

35:38

that's because, you know, like,

35:42

I would say car racing. It's

35:45

interesting because

35:49

because you have a big machine to move around,

35:51

there's a level of humility.

35:53

Oh, that's interesting. I think that exists

35:55

in golf for a lot of players. Sure.

35:58

Especially a particular brand of Disney?

36:02

Hey. No hobby. Well,

36:04

k Kizner says they said, do

36:06

you know, you saw that post? Do you think you can win? And

36:08

he was like, no. Like, why do you go play? And

36:10

he was like, twenty is still pretty fucking

36:12

good. Like, that's that's

36:14

the that I would follow him. I

36:16

think Kizzler is a great pick for documentary

36:19

around a player. I met him in

36:21

a hot tub the first time we were met.

36:23

And we sat down on the hot top and he goes,

36:25

Kevin Kissner. Nice future. Yeah.

36:30

I mean, I don't know.

36:33

It it would be tough to pick a player to make

36:35

a documentary about it. Everyone, you'd

36:37

wanna pick Tiger or something like that, but, like,

36:40

I would need to do some real research. I

36:42

don't know if it's a player because

36:45

the the player's life isn't

36:48

You know, when I when I first got started,

36:50

I met I actually went to with the

36:52

waste management, scratch paid

36:54

me to make a

36:56

pilot for what Adventures in Golf would be and

36:59

to make, like, some promotional materials for this

37:01

new channel, scratch, which was launching. So

37:03

I went to the waste management. think it was twenty

37:06

fourteen. It was the first year that

37:09

it was it was the Super Bowl. And

37:11

Waste Management are both in Phoenix on the same weekend.

37:13

And when I met Chris Berman, that

37:16

this is the brilliant ESPN Color

37:18

commentary announcer, And I was

37:20

like, Chris, like, I'm about to be this host.

37:22

I don't know what to do. And he was like, dude, it's

37:24

real simple. If

37:27

you find it interesting, everyone

37:29

else will do. That's the only real

37:31

job you have to do. So,

37:33

I mean, for me, like, I

37:35

don't beyond, like,

37:37

doing a great podcast with Tony Vinnow.

37:40

Like, we see their lives. Those

37:42

are stories that are told. Right? Full

37:45

swing basically did it. Right?

37:48

I think there is a

37:50

story in if it has to

37:52

be about the PGA tour, there's

37:55

a story there that's maybe

37:58

even more

38:00

interesting. I'm almost thinking about a coach.

38:03

Because there's a lot of coaches like Foley. Right?

38:05

Like Foley's in full

38:06

swing. Foley has multiple

38:09

students on tour. What's that like?

38:11

That is odd. You know what I mean? It's kinda

38:14

crazy. It'd be like, it's like

38:16

consultant that's also

38:18

working

38:19

against their non compete. What

38:23

did you tell? What did you tell the other guy?

38:26

I never mind. Don't worry about that. Yeah. And obviously

38:28

that they're learning so much constantly

38:30

from their

38:31

roster. Yeah. Well, in going back

38:33

to breakpoint, I mean, one of the most interesting things

38:35

is when the

38:37

young I can't remember his name,

38:39

but the but the young kid has, you

38:43

know, the adult's

38:45

uncle has his coach. And then he has to

38:47

play an adult and an adult won't sit on the court.

38:50

And he said openly that he he wants

38:52

an adult to win to beat his student.

38:55

I was like, get

38:57

the fuck out of here. Seems

38:59

like an attorney client, privilege, breach.

39:01

Yeah. Like,

39:03

I don't know, man. I would just like Recuse

39:05

regarding

39:06

yeah. You just gotta you gotta recuse yourself

39:08

in that situation. Yeah. Anyway,

39:11

yeah, that's a tough one. But

39:13

but for me for me, like, I don't

39:15

I'm not, like, I'm

39:18

I mean, we made a documentary about the PGA Tour.

39:22

It's about how meditation can

39:25

improve your game. It's coming

39:27

out

39:27

soon. That's

39:28

what I was

39:28

the call today about it actually. Really? The ball.

39:30

Yeah. To keep your eyes out on it. Look

39:32

out at Netflix. We talked

39:35

about this when you're applying some book of ball at the end

39:37

of the day yesterday. And I was

39:39

saying, there is there's gotta be

39:41

some story about a corn failure

39:44

or a fringe player and

39:46

you just it's really on

39:48

the line. They're they maybe

39:50

they're not making money. And

39:53

you just capture what that really looks

39:55

like. And I've seen people try to do that before.

39:57

I know that that's not a brand new idea.

40:00

But I wish I could see that in

40:02

a very compelling

40:03

way. And maybe it's just the sport doesn't allow

40:06

for that. West

40:09

Shore junior. West Shore junior?

40:11

He was in a bar, fifty

40:14

years old, and he said, I keep

40:16

thinking I could win golf

40:18

tournaments, I'm gonna go do it. And now

40:20

he's on the champion story. He just plays golf.

40:24

You know, Texas guy too. Think he might even

40:26

live in Austin

40:26

actually. I

40:27

believe he does. Yeah. Yeah. We filmed with him

40:29

at at

40:32

top of the rock. We played around, you know,

40:34

sweet guy. I mean, you know what I mean? Like, there's I I don't know, but I

40:36

don't know if that's enough to make a show or a movie.

40:39

Yeah. Yeah. It's a hard one. I don't

40:41

have an answer for you. But

40:43

I think it would be someone

40:45

that you've never heard of. Maybe

40:48

it would be ten stories about people that you've just

40:50

never heard of that you need to make

40:52

this thing happen. I mean, even like

40:54

at Augusta, like, I've been there

40:56

couple times, the most interesting thing I ever

40:58

saw at Augusta was I

41:00

sat down after play was

41:03

closed for the day. Everyone had left. And

41:06

think it was about, like, eighteen people

41:09

came up to the twelfth t box, the part three.

41:12

And they were all on the agronomy

41:14

team. And so during a major,

41:17

people come in from all over the world to,

41:20

like, learn and intern

41:22

and support the immense things that need

41:24

to happen to get the course ready. And

41:26

the the the masters is like

41:29

the pinnacle of all this. And so

41:31

here's these, like, eighteen, you know,

41:34

people that have come in from around the world

41:36

to, like, learn share

41:38

information and service the golf course.

41:40

And basically, on this little

41:43

par three t box, they go in and replace

41:45

every divot with, like, pure turf

41:47

they like fork it in so you cannot

41:50

see that a divot was hit. So when you show up

41:52

on Friday, there was no

41:55

evidence of golf from

41:57

Thursday on the

41:58

tee. And the same with the fairway too, everything's covered

42:01

up. I mean, that's fucking crazy. I

42:03

think that's it. I think I think you got

42:05

there. I the hardest part would

42:08

to get, you know, ANGC to

42:10

say yes to anything? To

42:13

to for real

42:14

access? Yeah. I mean, assuming the access

42:16

is there because clearly they gave it to Netflix. But even

42:18

like even going to Augusta, like, what are

42:20

the

42:20

rules? That's what I'm saying. It's like doing Augusta.

42:23

Right? And and doing the masters,

42:25

doing some of the scary stories from the

42:27

history. We won't get into them now. I

42:29

don't know. I go back and listen. I mean, we interviewed

42:31

David Owen who wrote the making of the masters

42:33

and tells the story of you

42:37

know, was it Bobby Jones or

42:40

was it someone else who started the masters

42:42

and Augusta in general? mean Augusta was

42:44

supposed to be like a residential property.

42:47

Right?

42:47

Like, there's there's so many interesting things

42:49

about Augusta.

42:50

Wellness retreat.

42:51

Right? Yeah. Kind of. So

42:52

I'm gonna clear the I forget the

42:55

the old term for for The

42:57

masters, its first year wasn't called the masters.

43:00

What

43:01

was it called? I think

43:02

it was called the Augusta Invitational. That's

43:04

right. Yep. Or or even

43:06

just the fact that the

43:08

client, you know, the specific makeup

43:11

of the Augusta National staff in

43:13

the dining rooms serving. I

43:16

remember when I found out, you know, they make

43:18

a lot of money. Yeah. But

43:20

there's also complications. Just

43:23

just natural complications with race,

43:25

with historical versions

43:29

of the region, I don't

43:31

know. Again, I don't know if they would really say yes

43:33

to do it right

43:34

there.

43:34

They would never. They would never. They don't need to.

43:36

But if you could tell that story of

43:39

how a place becomes holy

43:43

cult like religious just to to

43:45

use the word you're talking about. That's this how

43:47

old ground. And then I'm just

43:49

imagining shooting it and

43:52

the replacing of the turf and

43:54

these legion of workers and this

43:57

whole thing that has to come together for that for

43:59

those couple of

44:00

days. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that that would be quite

44:02

a documentary. Let us do it. Oh,

44:04

yeah. I mean, you could even talk about the

44:06

course as we know it. Didn't

44:09

look like that back then. Wasn't miss necessarily

44:12

Mackenzie's idea, when you look at in the

44:14

media center, there's these old renderings of

44:16

the way the course looked in the beginning. And mean,

44:19

dude, like, that that

44:22

twelfth that par three twelfth, like,

44:25

it just looked natural. It looked like streamed song.

44:27

You know, there was like dunes and, like,

44:29

the bunkers were, like, wonky and,

44:32

like, there was high grasses all

44:34

over the place, you know. So whatever.

44:36

I mean, you know, things

44:37

change. Yeah. wonder when the aliens

44:39

come. If golf courses will

44:41

be interesting to them.

44:43

Maybe not. Maybe they'll be like, wait, is

44:45

that? Is that a golf course? I

44:48

mean, I always try to wonder what it would be like to

44:50

explain to an alien what we're doing here. Okay.

44:53

So we've taken a hundred acres

44:55

of, you know, pretty prime real estate

44:58

inside of a metropolitan area. And

45:01

what we're gonna do is we're gonna

45:04

release four people every fifteen

45:06

minutes to go walk around and hit

45:08

this ball. And,

45:12

yeah, it's oh, yeah.

45:14

No. All this grass is super maintained. Yeah.

45:16

It takes like five different lawnmowers to do it.

45:19

Also to keep this grass safe because

45:21

we're in an environment that's not actually conducive

45:23

to growing grass, Palm Springs. And

45:25

so we're gonna need a ton of water,

45:27

which, yes, is a resource that

45:31

the world needs then we're also gonna throw and

45:33

pesticides in to make sure the grass is a special

45:35

color of green. Oh, I don't know why

45:37

it needs to be that color of green. It just think

45:39

people like it. And so that's what we're gonna

45:41

do. And, you

45:43

know, oh, also you need a backpack

45:46

filled with fourteen heavy objects

45:48

that technically, you need

45:50

new ones every year or two. No. They don't go

45:53

bad. You just need better ones. They've gotten better

45:55

since you last got them. And

45:58

also, you need to make sure you meet someone who can

46:00

tell you how to get better because you're probably

46:02

not good enough. And when

46:05

you're done, you're

46:07

probably gonna remember the bad parts.

46:10

Yeah. Oh, and then, you know, they'll probably

46:14

Yeah. Explaining golf to an alien is

46:19

it doesn't make a ton a soccer makes a

46:21

lot more sense.

46:21

Where where is the pull. Oh, it's it's just

46:24

out of sight. Yeah. Okay? So when you're

46:26

done,

46:27

you're done. No. Then we do it eight

46:30

times. You're gonna get up and do it again. Yeah.

46:32

Well, it should take about three hours, but here

46:35

it takes about

46:35

five. If

46:36

you're lucky, no

46:36

one enjoys that it takes more time than less.

46:38

Yes. We yes. We made it the most beautiful grass

46:41

to walk on in the world. No. We do not walk on

46:43

it. We take these little cars.

46:44

Yeah. Seems like a good place for a walk. Nope.

46:47

We got solution for that. Seems like it'd

46:49

be a good place to take your

46:49

dog. Nope. They're typically not allowed.

46:51

Yeah. We do love golf though. We're gonna take

46:53

quick break. And then, honestly, this is a

46:55

QA

46:56

podcast. We'll probably do one or two questions.

46:58

We'll get to the Qs and the As.

47:00

But that ain't yeah.

47:02

We'll we'll be right back.

47:04

I don't

47:04

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47:06

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49:57

Let's just let's just get out of the way. How

50:01

do you feel about Tiger Woods

50:03

being back? I'm

50:06

in

50:09

He's never been gone. He's

50:10

never he's never been You know what I mean? Like, while he's

50:13

playing, like, it's kind of

50:15

like

50:18

I mean, are we really looking for more from the

50:20

guy? That's that's my biggest

50:22

question. I did watch his round. Yes. So

50:26

to as you know, we record early, so we got to

50:28

see one round of Riviera. How do you play? Two

50:30

under sixty nine. Incredible. Even

50:32

better than that last three holes were birdies.

50:35

So he went, wow. Yep. Exactly.

50:38

One over going into sixteen. I

50:40

mean, the guy loves rib. Yeah.

50:42

It is his tournament. Just loves it.

50:45

So and he was playing with Rory and and

50:47

JT. So I don't know what will happen the weekend.

50:49

I

50:49

don't know. It'll probably be It's just it's

50:52

a lot of golf. It's a lot of walking.

50:55

Dude, I'm in pain when I

50:57

go play golf. And I'm younger than

50:59

him and I've hit fewer balls than

51:01

him. I've done I've done a lot less than

51:03

he has. But I did go on

51:05

e on ESPN earlier this week

51:07

a Monday in the top article

51:10

on the golf page. Tiger

51:12

Woods might play or Tiger Woods is gearing up

51:14

to play. Here's here's footage from

51:16

four AM of him on a range

51:18

session. And my question is, how

51:20

much longer are we doing that?

51:23

Until he says I'm done. And

51:26

do you think so? Because what what we're gonna get

51:28

Tom Brady throwing a football for the next

51:30

three years anytime there's an Instagram story

51:32

of

51:32

it. I mean,

51:34

some stories just never stop being told. You

51:36

know? Yeah. You're not wrong

51:38

you're not wrong about that. I'm grateful for all the memories

51:40

of Tiger.

51:42

Yeah.

51:42

I mean, I think, you

51:46

know, I don't know. I don't I don't have a great

51:48

answer there. I think what was the question? Am

51:50

I excited that Tiger's back? Yes.

51:56

What I'm really excited for is for Tiger

51:59

to do something now. And

52:01

so his twenty

52:03

percent win rate, which

52:06

is unheard of, unheard of,

52:08

his you know, proximity

52:11

to the hole from two hundred yards being

52:13

the best.

52:14

Like, we've seen him do that. We don't need

52:16

him to do that again. What else is he gonna do?

52:18

If you could give Tiger Woods any

52:21

job in the world, president.

52:23

You what do you think Tiger's agenda

52:26

is? What do you think is the woods policy agenda.

52:28

President of the United States, more golf,

52:30

four day work week is

52:33

happening. You think it's gonna be more

52:35

golf? Yeah, dude. I

52:36

don't know. I think he's gonna think he's gonna

52:38

have serious

52:39

militaristic ambitions with certain regions

52:41

of the world. You know, I mean, like,

52:45

expander times

52:45

out of hit bumps. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just

52:47

saying, like, Tiger

52:49

Tiger's

52:50

gonna do something that we're not expecting. Okay.

52:52

We got we got questions for you. And I don't

52:55

think he'll be president, but prove me wrong, Tiger.

52:57

Prove me wrong. Johnny Weichel

52:59

asks, What's the first thing you like

53:01

to do when you get home after

53:03

international

53:04

travel? I like that question.

53:07

Yeah. It's funny. There's like there's like a

53:10

true, like, dichotomy. Good

53:12

question, Johnny. My

53:14

thinking is is that I wanna go hang out.

53:16

What ends up happening is is I come

53:18

home and I usually

53:20

just, like, take a shower and

53:24

get in my bed and I just say to myself,

53:27

oh my god, I'm so happy to be off.

53:30

It's like pretty basic. You

53:33

know? Yeah.

53:37

Yeah. It just needs to be home and just

53:39

like you

53:40

know, home becomes the exotic thing.

53:43

Yeah.

53:43

It's nice to just drift around the house and just

53:46

honestly do

53:47

nothing for little bit. It's nice to come home on like

53:49

a Friday. And then have a weekend

53:51

to just, like, settle back in.

53:53

You know? What

53:55

will say is, like, the next day

53:58

I do have specific routine. And that

54:00

routine is like to wake up, make my own coffee,

54:03

put the desired amount

54:05

of half and half in there, and just

54:07

slam that, take a shit, go

54:09

back, make another coffee, have some breakfast,

54:12

get in the car, go swimming, Right?

54:15

And then, like, come back, probably

54:18

take a nap, go for a run,

54:20

and then go hang out with the

54:21

lady. That's the day.

54:23

That's home on a weekend.

54:26

Home is where the heart is. Home

54:29

on the weekend. Carl

54:32

Schibski asks, how has sobriety

54:34

changed for you over the years? Interesting

54:37

question, Carl. Yeah.

54:43

I really hit you with that left right punch there.

54:46

Jeez. I mean,

54:49

In a week, I'll be I'll have not

54:51

had a drink or any

54:54

drug other than nicotine

54:56

and caffeine. And the odd prescribed

54:59

pain killer during a surgical moment

55:01

of my life for twenty two years.

55:05

So you know, we're

55:07

like kind of over the halfway point

55:09

of being alive versus, you

55:12

know, that

55:14

decision. And

55:18

it's probably gone through three stages

55:20

since since the beginning. And the

55:22

beginning was in New York City, highly

55:26

active and involved in a young person's

55:30

sober movement, which was, like, at the time

55:32

we're talking, you know, nine eleven, essentially.

55:35

I got sober in

55:37

two thousand one. And

55:40

you know, we're we're we're at a time

55:43

where social media didn't exist. You

55:45

were still on the qwerty text thing.

55:47

You know what I mean? Like, you weren't or not

55:50

alpha numeric or T99. Yeah? You

55:52

were on that top top top top top top top top. I actually

55:54

I had that I might not

55:56

believe this, but I had that, I believe. Had a flip

55:58

phone before I had anything

55:59

else. I mean, go back to let's

56:01

go back. But, you know, I mean,

56:04

time in person was the

56:07

the method. Right? And so that

56:09

was like the cradle. And then when I

56:11

moved out to California, it changed a little

56:14

bit. I started going to more

56:16

morning meetings, and I was really involved

56:18

in the twelve steps there as well.

56:21

And then I moved to Austin about two and a half years

56:23

ago. And I guess to answer your question,

56:25

Karl, what's changed is that now

56:30

I'm not as involved in

56:32

the twelve step world as I used

56:34

to be. But

56:39

I feel as connected

56:41

as I ever have to the

56:43

way of thinking that the twelve

56:46

steps is aimed at getting you to, which is essentially

56:50

how can I live my life according to these principles

56:53

in all moments how can I

56:56

make the world better place? You know, Bill W

56:58

like on his deathbed was basically

57:01

like, Yo. It's

57:04

calledalcoholics anonymous, but that's

57:07

doesn't mean you shouldn't talk about it.

57:10

The idea that we all struggle

57:13

potentially with some type of addiction

57:16

is very real. And the

57:19

kind of you know,

57:21

the method of survival or

57:24

treatment is Sure.

57:27

It lists it exists in a book or in

57:29

a room. But those things are both

57:31

products of people. And

57:34

this idea of being

57:36

the hand that's available for someone who needs

57:38

help that's something that anyone can do at any

57:40

time, anywhere. And through any really,

57:43

it just kinda comes down to, you

57:45

know, the Buddhist say,

57:47

like, you know, there's no real difference

57:49

between wisdom and compassion. Whether

57:51

it's wisdom, there is compassion, and whether it's

57:53

compassion, there is wisdom. And so

57:56

you and I were talking about that the other day on the golf

57:58

course. I

58:00

think I think probably what it

58:02

comes down to is, like, you know, how

58:04

can you have a meaningful conversation in any environment?

58:07

How are you doing? How are you really doing? Because it

58:09

seems to me like maybe you're distracted or

58:11

tired or, you know, something's

58:13

going on here to talk about it.

58:16

Oh, really that

58:17

sucks. I'm sorry. It's is there

58:19

anything I can do? don't know. That

58:21

that's kind of for me what it shifted into.

58:25

So so kind of if I can translate

58:27

this as best as I can, are you saying

58:29

that

58:30

for

58:31

a portion of it, for the first portion of it,

58:33

it was it was very much an individual process.

58:35

And as you've kind of

58:37

I'd say reverse. Now it's individual. Now

58:39

it's more individual. Okay. Well, yeah. I mean,

58:41

now it's like I don't I

58:43

think you

58:46

know, like like you need

58:49

a foundation of people to

58:51

understand that there is a life that's different the

58:53

one you're currently

58:53

living. As you go through a change, you need a foundation

58:55

of new people that can support you in that change,

58:57

I believe. You

59:00

know, and for me, I

59:03

have people in my life that I met

59:05

through that environment that are still in my life

59:07

that I I find, like,

59:10

talking to them. We just know each other

59:12

on a different level. Like, we're

59:14

expats, survivors, whatever.

59:17

You know, we were part of that same story. Yeah.

59:19

You guys survived the cordyceps --

59:22

Yeah. -- fungal or the leftovers. You're

59:24

the you're the last of us. I'm

59:26

just gonna keep taking left turns over here.

59:29

This is great question. One of the greatest

59:31

questions we've ever gotten, I would say.

59:33

Some phrodynamics. What

59:36

is one task that you'd never

59:39

delegate to Jojo dot

59:41

dot dot dot dot dot. And why?

59:44

Like never. I don't know. Yeah.

59:46

I didn't write the question for those of you

59:48

on me.

59:54

There have been some funny things you've done over the years.

59:59

I mean, honestly, I

1:00:01

can't think of that many. There are things

1:00:03

that I would prefer not to or that might be waste

1:00:05

of his

1:00:05

time. Being way too nice. He's just in

1:00:07

his head, he's, like, driving. He's like,

1:00:10

he doesn't want me to You've driven

1:00:11

before? Yeah. I yes. I've driven before.

1:00:14

You're a good driver.

1:00:15

Thank you. Thank you. There are some

1:00:16

people who might would prefer not to drive. Fair

1:00:18

enough. Yeah. Yeah. One time you just called

1:00:21

me a bad driver. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Where

1:00:23

were we? He was, like, one AM in Boston.

1:00:25

I was driving you at the airport.

1:00:29

I was like, Eric, I haven't slept in two days.

1:00:31

I

1:00:31

said you're a bad driver. Right.

1:00:33

Well, you're like, do you think you're a good driver? I

1:00:35

translated that to you. You're a bad driver.

1:00:37

Yeah. There are certain things that are work

1:00:39

related that shouldn't be delegated to anyone.

1:00:44

You can imagine that these are But

1:00:48

honestly, even there, like,

1:00:50

if we're talking about on an infinite timeline

1:00:52

here -- Sure. You could run the business.

1:00:55

Okay. That's

1:00:56

I mean, no, thank you. I mean, I can't,

1:00:58

but I am. Yeah. No, you

1:01:00

don't. No, thank you. I'll just

1:01:02

I'll just I'll just keep making things. This

1:01:05

is

1:01:06

from Jack Reed to answer that question

1:01:08

more specifically. III am

1:01:10

trying to actually

1:01:12

delegate things from you. I'm trying to take things

1:01:14

off your plate. It's true. So

1:01:15

that the the real the

1:01:18

the difference to this question is that, like,

1:01:20

the things that you are

1:01:22

best at are thoughtful, creative,

1:01:26

environmental pursuits that are

1:01:29

kind of infinitely malleable. So

1:01:31

to answer your question of thermodynamics, if you have

1:01:34

if you I could delegate some things to you, you

1:01:36

know. Yeah.

1:01:36

Do you know how to do sideshade we could

1:01:38

we could we could offload some stuff. Just

1:01:40

hit me up. What

1:01:43

is one country you would like to live in that

1:01:45

you've never lived in

1:01:46

before? Well,

1:01:47

I've only lived in well, I lived in France,

1:01:49

I guess, for a summer that counts.

1:01:52

And I've obviously lived in the United States.

1:01:55

But, I mean, I would live in a lot

1:01:57

of fucking countries. You

1:02:00

still have your southern Italy fantasy

1:02:02

of retirement. Italy, Germany, Costa Rica,

1:02:05

those are all good. Haven't been to the South America.

1:02:07

I feel like Buenos Aires could be a good

1:02:09

one. But

1:02:11

yeah. I mean, I don't know. It would be it would be some

1:02:13

place peaceful. You

1:02:15

know? I mean, honestly, what I would like to do

1:02:17

is I'm forty two now. I would like

1:02:19

to be more or less retired

1:02:22

by, like, fifty. K?

1:02:25

Forty eight fifty. Putting

1:02:27

in my Google Calendar. Yeah. An

1:02:30

email, Eric, New Year's

1:02:32

Day. It's really, hey, time to retire.

1:02:34

Retirement soon. And

1:02:37

then I would like to be in Austin for

1:02:39

the spring and the fall and be

1:02:41

involved in all the things that we're doing here.

1:02:43

But then for the winter and the summer, I would love to

1:02:45

live someplace else for like four months at

1:02:47

a time. That that's my dream. And so

1:02:49

never really choosing, but just like Greece,

1:02:52

Cool. Four months. Boom.

1:02:54

Bam. Back out. You know?

1:02:56

Kinda sounds like your current job to some

1:02:58

extent.

1:02:59

It is, but there's fewer days of work and

1:03:01

more days of not work. Gabriel

1:03:03

on Instagram. Hi, Gabriel on Instagram. Biggest

1:03:07

difference between pod number one and

1:03:10

current

1:03:10

number, which is two seventy five. Interesting

1:03:13

question. When

1:03:16

I go back, I I have listened to

1:03:18

the first Bob the biggest

1:03:20

This is gonna sound so

1:03:21

funny. I don't think

1:03:24

I knew how to talk back then.

1:03:26

I agree. Yeah. Fuck you.

1:03:29

No. It's funny because other people would

1:03:31

never see that or hear it or hear

1:03:33

it. There's

1:03:35

that Buddhist story about, you know, the non

1:03:37

judgmental awareness. You know, I have bad

1:03:39

thoughts. How do I get better thoughts? Okay. Well,

1:03:41

just whenever you have bad thoughts, pebble over here whenever

1:03:44

you have a good thought, put a pebble over here. First

1:03:46

day, all the pebbles on the side

1:03:48

of the bad thought. Over time, all the pebbles

1:03:51

move over to the good side. Throughout no

1:03:53

real direction, the thoughts change. I

1:03:55

think over now it's been

1:03:57

hundreds of hours of listening to myself in

1:03:59

a microphone. I just talk differently.

1:04:03

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's

1:04:06

amazing how

1:04:09

when your first

1:04:11

speaking, I learned this in radio, but

1:04:13

how you have to learn, how to talk to people who aren't

1:04:15

in the room. Do

1:04:15

your radio voice. Come on.

1:04:16

Not gonna do it. gonna do it.

1:04:18

Jojo. You have to do it.

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the king for a live from Graceland.

1:04:45

mean, you know, it's funny. It's like, Did

1:04:48

someone tell you to do that? No. No.

1:04:51

They don't onboard you. To sound like you're

1:04:53

in nineteen forty sports and

1:04:54

answer, but it happens in golf too.

1:04:57

Go ahead, expand.

1:05:00

Every golf announcer, oh,

1:05:02

yeah, creates a persona

1:05:04

for golf. I'm gonna tell I'm gonna tell you what's going

1:05:06

on in the course. And then I need you to tell it back

1:05:08

to me. So I just hit a sixty

1:05:11

yard ship shot to five

1:05:13

feet and then squirrel

1:05:16

peaked its head out from a nearby fairway

1:05:19

bunker. Here's

1:05:21

Phillips on twelve. Looks

1:05:23

like he's got a mid length wedge shot.

1:05:25

Looks like he's got a

1:05:27

strangely, he's using a nine iron.

1:05:30

Looks like he's gonna fight it low. Okay.

1:05:33

Wow. Hits the lip of

1:05:35

the bunker, rolls out to five

1:05:38

feet. Oh, look at that. We've got a

1:05:40

squirrel. Jade, do you see that

1:05:41

squirrel? That's amazing.

1:05:42

Well, no. No. That's actually Bob. Bob

1:05:45

Bob is squirrel.

1:05:46

Bob looks like you tripped in there. He

1:05:48

always finds his wings around the greens. Look at

1:05:51

Bob'sdale. Alright. Straight

1:05:53

up. Now but

1:05:55

to go back to the question, I think, the one of the

1:05:57

biggest things is different early on, I would notice

1:05:59

that I I was or

1:06:02

what I would notice about listening to other podcasts

1:06:04

is I would hate when the host would

1:06:06

interrupt the guest. And so

1:06:08

I was just making sure a lot of

1:06:10

the times when I was listening, I'd be like, I just don't ever wanna

1:06:12

interrupt the guest. Unless it's like a yes

1:06:14

and, like, wait wait, tell me more about that.

1:06:17

What was annoying to me is when the host would interrupt

1:06:20

the guest to tell a story that

1:06:22

they had. And so it's really created

1:06:24

for me opportunity

1:06:27

to become a better listener.

1:06:31

Yeah, curiosity. It always comes

1:06:33

back to curiosity. I realize just when the

1:06:35

host isn't distracted, I'm on my

1:06:37

phone. Just

1:06:37

scrolling down and see if she's finding questions. That's important.

1:06:40

Thoughts on full swing? If you watched it and particularly

1:06:42

Brooks' mentality, we covered that. So well

1:06:45

done.

1:06:45

Yeah. Rewind in case you somehow started

1:06:47

in the middle. You can just go right to the questions.

1:06:50

What's your favorite bag of crisps And

1:06:53

then there's a parenthetical

1:06:55

American flag emoji chips.

1:06:57

Yeah. Potato chips. Crisps. You

1:07:00

know, I've got a few. I

1:07:01

I do too. So so

1:07:02

go more. What do you see? What's your favorite go?

1:07:04

So glad you asked. I grew up in the Cape

1:07:07

Codell -- Mhmm. -- on vinegar chips.

1:07:10

I have moved past those a little bit to

1:07:12

the cracked pepper kettle

1:07:14

chips. Those are good. The ruffle versions

1:07:16

-- Yep. -- the ridges Yes. The ridges. But

1:07:19

I'm gonna give the the

1:07:21

belt, so to speak -- Mhmm.

1:07:24

-- to the Austin Texas'

1:07:27

own Voodoo flavor.

1:07:29

I haven't had this. Oh, you got okay.

1:07:31

Well, do that. I'll get some for lunch today. Great. And

1:07:33

they also have hotter than

1:07:34

jalapeno. That's wonderful. Wow.

1:07:36

That sounds like an album. It does.

1:07:39

Harder than alopecia.

1:07:41

You mean a habanero. I

1:07:43

was

1:07:43

like, don't know what that is. I

1:07:45

mean, for me, I'm a big tortilla

1:07:48

chip guy.

1:07:48

Nice. Oh, going in a new direction.

1:07:50

Yeah. I mean, it's not a Chris by now.

1:07:55

And for me, I just want whatever has the highest

1:07:57

salt content on both sides of the chip.

1:08:00

You

1:08:00

ever have the hint of lime tortilla

1:08:02

chips? Those are good. I like those. Those are

1:08:04

good. They feel a bit fabricated.

1:08:06

They are definitely fabricated. Hint

1:08:09

of something that tastes like lime that we invented

1:08:11

in a lab. We also painted it green.

1:08:14

But yeah, as far as the chips, I mean,

1:08:16

I like those harvest cheddars.

1:08:19

It comes in, like, the yellow bag that's, like, made

1:08:21

out of paper. Those things are

1:08:23

dangerous though because if you eat too many of those --

1:08:25

Oh. -- you

1:08:26

gotta be on road for a bit. For sure.

1:08:30

Depending on what you was in the tank before,

1:08:33

you could end up creating some obnoxious chemicals.

1:08:37

This question is from Tyler

1:08:39

j

1:08:39

Rutherford. Tyler. Thank you for

1:08:41

Tyler. Great name. Great name, Tyler.

1:08:43

What's up? He's asking what's

1:08:46

the deal with the robe you're wearing and when

1:08:48

can we get it and

1:08:48

wear? That what a what a coincidence? How

1:08:50

did he know? He's

1:08:54

standing outside the window right now.

1:08:55

There there is a gun. This

1:08:58

this robe actually is something that I've wanted

1:09:00

to make for a long time, which is

1:09:03

I mean, as we talked about, I love robes, but

1:09:05

this is part of our hotel

1:09:08

collection room seventeen that

1:09:10

comes with a putting mat and

1:09:12

some engraved glasses

1:09:14

that have this kind of hotel RGC

1:09:16

logo with the palm trees and

1:09:18

the putting

1:09:19

mats. So this is available now,

1:09:21

I believe. Yeah. It's available today. If

1:09:23

you listen on your commute to work in the morning,

1:09:25

wait an hour or two. Go to random golf club dot

1:09:27

com. You listen to it on your

1:09:29

commute home, it

1:09:31

could already be sold out. It's very

1:09:33

limited edition. Yeah. We didn't we didn't make a

1:09:35

lot of those. Actually, it's very sweet of you. You

1:09:37

wrote a handwritten note to every single person who

1:09:39

bought it. I did. There's a little okay. I I gotta

1:09:41

tell the podcast

1:09:42

guests. I love giving them the little Nextiva

1:09:44

app, please.

1:09:45

We put a little extra something in the box. Oh,

1:09:48

yeah. Yeah.

1:09:50

Last minute idea that

1:09:52

we had because we're shipping it ourselves.

1:09:54

We made something we're not allowed to sell because

1:09:56

of legal

1:09:57

reasons. Yeah. And we're not allowed to talk about

1:09:59

it because of Legal reasons.

1:10:01

By receiving this package, you are thereby

1:10:03

implicating yourself in a class action

1:10:06

lawsuit that may or may not take

1:10:07

place. But, you know, when you think about an

1:10:09

amicus brief, it might sound scary to you, but

1:10:11

to us, it just means more friends --

1:10:13

Yeah. -- on either side of the law. Yeah.

1:10:16

Your it's I would

1:10:18

recommend sending this to a third party location,

1:10:20

like a UPS

1:10:21

store, or, you know, a pack

1:10:23

and ship, you know. But we're never gonna make

1:10:25

any more of these. They're small.

1:10:27

That's all I'll say. Yeah. They

1:10:30

they go with what we're

1:10:31

selling. Oh, yeah. And if

1:10:34

they will be the holy grail of anything

1:10:36

RGC has ever Yeah. It's it's a You

1:10:38

the vape was a mistake that you're

1:10:40

benefiting from.

1:10:41

Yeah. Yeah. And and they're really good.

1:10:44

So honestly, you like them?

1:10:46

I I've I've used them. Yeah.

1:10:48

They're really good. They're dentures.

1:10:55

RGC support. What's

1:10:58

the worst golf advice? This is from the Abbott.

1:11:01

What that's the question.

1:11:03

Yeah. The first question is the first golf

1:11:05

advice question mark. I

1:11:08

mean, the worst golf advice

1:11:11

is

1:11:17

to give a new golf or a scorecard.

1:11:20

Oh, good. You gave you gave a real answer

1:11:22

to that. I'm impressed. Yeah.

1:11:24

I mean, you just say there's there's to explain

1:11:26

what par is, they don't need

1:11:29

to know. You're totally right.

1:11:31

My favorite golf star from the last year was

1:11:33

Keefer going to play.

1:11:36

He just loves to walk on as a single. He's a

1:11:38

true RGC spirit. And just played with three

1:11:40

guys who'd never played golf before in their entire

1:11:42

life. And so they asked where they should

1:11:44

play from and Katherine was like fuck it. Let's

1:11:46

play from the very far the stop teas.

1:11:49

And then covers just out there birdying, hulls,

1:11:52

going crazy, and they they thought of him as

1:11:54

a god. Right. Of course,

1:11:56

you know, they would learn later. But,

1:11:58

yeah, just just try to make it's

1:12:00

hard. It's a hard game. Yeah. Don't make

1:12:02

it harder? Yeah. That's the worst goal advice. Or

1:12:04

or or the worst golf advice is

1:12:07

any

1:12:08

any bundle of advice that exceeds three

1:12:10

concepts.

1:12:12

You

1:12:12

know what I mean? Like, just the best

1:12:15

all advice is throw the club.

1:12:17

Yeah. I've been And and that could mean whatever

1:12:20

you wanted to name. Throw it meaning,

1:12:23

let go of the club at the bottom of the swing. Don't

1:12:25

let it go into the fairway, but just, you

1:12:27

know, Yeah. Last

1:12:30

question, I think. And we're gonna do

1:12:32

more of these in the near future. And and maybe

1:12:34

there's an opportunity