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Where I live in Southern
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California, psychic shops are practically
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as plentiful as coffee shops. They're
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a part of the landscape. I know people
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who have regular appointments with their psychic. It's
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the kind of thing you can drop in casual
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conversation, and no one bats an eye.
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And I can understand why. People
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want security. They want to know
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what the future will hold. And
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whether through tarot cards or a crystal
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ball, the fortune teller will
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hint at how your story
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will play out. Let
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me say up front that I don't know how this tale
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will play out or how it will end. Because
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in this story, the fortune teller
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came to me.
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At the very beginning of this podcast,
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I never thought in a million
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years it would turn
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into what it is now.
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My name is Faith Pinew, and I'm a reporter
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at the Los Angeles Times. But
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back in October 2019, I was
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working at a small community newspaper in Orange
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County called The Daily Pilot. And
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that's where I first got a call from Paulina
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Stevens. Paulina told me that
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from the time she was a child, she was told
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she would be a fortune teller, that
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she came from a whole family of fortune
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tellers. And then she mentioned
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something that made my ears perk up.
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It was a warning about a psychic shop in Orange
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County. She told me that this
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was the psychic shop that she had escaped.
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I suggested we meet up in person at
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a local cafe. I'm a little nervous. I'm sorry
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for like, it's okay. I don't know. I'm
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like kind of nervous, but I'm okay. Take
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your time, whatever. Whatever
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makes you
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feel... Listen, people call reporters all the
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time with salacious tips. But
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when Paulina started talking, I felt like
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I was drinking from a fire hose. What
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do you do? You know what I'm saying?
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What do you do? Paulina said she had
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an arranged marriage with a distinct couple.
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And at 12, it's like you're supposed
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to know who you're getting married to, you know? That's like,
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you're going through puberty, like I was getting too
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old. That her parents shielded her from outsiders.
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Any kind of outsiders was a big, like, no, no.
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And then she was pulled out of school entirely,
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at 12 years old. I was actually lucky,
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like, I got to go to school up to sixth
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grade.
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At the time, I was used to writing stories
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on city council meetings and town art shows.
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So Paulina's story, it was totally
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out of my wheelhouse. It seemed too big.
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Because ultimately, Paulina kept
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blaming her culture, her culture, her culture.
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And if you disobey us, then
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you disobey your culture. Paulina's
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culture is Romany.
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I don't think I had ever even heard the word Romany
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before. And that's because Romany
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people are often known by another
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name, you know, a
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gypsy. You're not going to hear
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me throwing around the G word on this podcast.
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Because for many in the community, it's a slur. Not
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for outsiders like me to use. But
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at the time, I had no idea.
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Because even a pop star like Shakira
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casually throws around the G word.
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It's set against this catchy, poppy backdrop.
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Like something you'd instinctively hum along to. If
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you weren't paying attention, you'd never notice
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the lyrics are actually overtly
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offensive. Because I'm
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a
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gypsy. Are
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you coming with me? I
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might steal your clothes and wear the
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mistase with me.
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Once I started noticing it, I couldn't stop
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seeing the G word everywhere. Clothing
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brands and restaurant menus, surfboards
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and teabags. It's become a shorthand
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for something nomadic, wild,
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deceitful, romantic. Something
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exotic. A style anyone could put
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on and wear like a costume.
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And there are two stereotypes that always
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come up. That Romany people
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are fortune tellers and thieves.
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But the thing was, Paulina and her family
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were actually...
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fortune tellers. And while
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Paulina told me about her family and their
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history, she also seemed
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to be painting herself as those very stereotypes.
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She seemed to want to shock me to get me to pay
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attention. Like, the
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rule is no stealing, only scamming.
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Because people give you stuff so it's not considered
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stealing. Paulina
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seemed to be telling me, yes, fortune-telling
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is a scam. I am
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a scam artist, you know, born and bred.
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That's
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what I'm telling you. I just looked
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at her like, what? You
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know, you're sitting here with a reporter. Are you
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turning yourself in? I didn't know what
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to think. And honestly, it didn't
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seem like Paulina did either. Gypsies
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have a bad rep and
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they should, I think. I don't know.
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Not all of them. And then, Paulina
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said, she had decided to leave.
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Because when I left, I had no education,
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I had two kids, no
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driver's license, okay, no car.
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You know what I'm saying? I had nothing. Nothing,
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nothing, nothing.
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The franticness in Paulina's voice suddenly
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made sense. The unfiltered
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panic and blurting out extreme claims.
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It was the sound of someone stepping
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out of one world and into another,
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questioning everything she's ever learned.
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And this was certainly part of why Paulina
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said she had come to me. But
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it wasn't just to tell her life story.
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The real reason Paulina reached out to me
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was, she needed help.
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Paulina has two
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little girls. And when she left her
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community, she was at risk of losing
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them. To fight to keep
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her daughters, Paulina did the number one thing
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people in her culture were taught not to
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do.
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She turned to the outside world.
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She took her case to the American legal system.
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And her custody hearing was coming soon.
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By leaving her community, going to the courts
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and talking to the press, Paulina was
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opening up her life to a world of
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of scrutiny and doubt.
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Lots of things
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are sad in the heat of a fight
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to protect and to not lose
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your children.
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It's hard to me to support you if I don't know what the
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f*** you're doing. Paulina was a diamond. Now
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she's just a stone.
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But Paulina and I kept talking. For
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years. As Paulina and I got
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to know each other, we peeled back layer
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after layer together. Both of us
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trying to get to the actual truth beneath
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the surface.
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To the place beyond the resentment and the
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stereotypes. You
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have to be exclusionist
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in order to preserve identity.
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You have to close ranks to
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prevent infiltration
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from outside. One
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time during a session, she did
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a healing bowl and it put
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me in a complete trance. I
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opened my eyes and the whole room
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was like a white cloud and I could barely
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see her. What we offer
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is a spiritual
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practice and
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a spiritual, dare
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I say it, business, right? Because
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it's true of any community, of any
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identity, that there are stereotypes
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and there are truths. And
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while sometimes they can overlap in superficial
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ways, the whole and deep
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story is so much richer and
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more complicated than we could have ever predicted.
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It's weird actually how I went from
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loving it to absolutely hating
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it and now missing it.
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I'm Faith Pinew
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from the Los Angeles Times. This is
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FOUR-TOLED, coming April 11th. Listen
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