In this episode, we feature a conversation between our host, Ted Alvarez, and Bryan Pope, an instructor at Earth Native Wilderness School. For a few years now, these old friends have gone on wilderness trips to experiment with modern and traditional survival skills — which often means breaking a multi-day fast with a meal of creepy crawlies. Here, they go deep on survival sensationalism, the relative horrors of trapping vs. industrialized farming, and why wilderness living resonates with all kinds of people.