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We we we now have new methods

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of

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attacks. This comes from Josh and it

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has enough compliments of Camille to keep him

2:24

interested. Here we go. Hey, guys. I love

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the podcast and

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have not been able to get enough of I discovered

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you about a year and a half ago, I happily became

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a paying subscriber when you moved to substock.

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Thank you. And look forward to continuing

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to support your alcoholism and other

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destruct of

2:39

habits. I sorry. Our alcoholism

2:42

was not destructive though.

2:44

You know how to drive

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podcasts. Yeah. I barely drink. So Yeah.

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Yeah. Other problems. So have

2:49

long thought that the modern ideas about

2:52

things like race and blackness and whiteness

2:54

capital letters have been wrong and harmful

2:56

to society as a whole. Thanks

2:58

in part to you guys and

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particularly Camille. I

3:03

have come to his his grunt

3:06

like he means it. I have come to the conclusion

3:08

that we need to abolish our current

3:10

understandings about

3:11

race. And learn to see every

3:13

person as unique individual who shares

3:15

the same humanity that we ourselves have.

3:18

Should I let on Matt and I try to make Camille happy

3:20

every episode by writing one of these every week

3:22

and you

3:22

Yeah. Yeah. -- for it over time. Yeah. Yeah. Brilliant.

3:25

Josh. Josh, that's like

3:27

a silo cementing. With that preamble

3:29

in mind, I'd like to hear your thoughts on some of the reaction to what

3:31

happened in Memphis with the killing of Tyria. Nichols, the

3:34

chief of police in my home of Saskatoon's

3:37

guests. The Saskatchewan Sorry.

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Too many asses. Released as as statement

3:43

condemning the death, How good?

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Okay. Fine. Sure. It happened in a

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city two thousand eight hundred

3:49

kilometers

3:50

away. That's seventeen. Hundred and forty

3:52

miles to Americans. It's a different country, by the

3:54

way. Go ahead. And in another country,

3:56

but it's but it's a big news

3:58

story. And up here in Canada, we loved it. Us

4:01

events happening in the states and pretend that

4:03

you guys actually care what we think, which

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we don't. But then he goes on to say this.

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This is a quote from the captain. Over the

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past few days, I should do this in a Canadian accent.

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But I'd Magdalena, over the past few days, as we

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learned to this event, I have reached out to local

4:15

black community leaders to discuss the issue

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and offer support. Also,

4:20

this And Saskatchewan's name?

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Rick. Here. Yes. You've reached out

4:25

to him. John,

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although this tragedy occurred in another

4:29

country -- Yeah. --

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it will impact trust and

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confidence in policing by

4:36

black and, of course, very capitalized. And all

4:38

equity deserving communities in

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Canada. It's just, like,

4:44

as well so Yeah. And,

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quote, we John continues.

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I have a few questions. What the fuck does this

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even

4:52

mean?

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Black and all equity

4:54

deserving communities, very good question. She

4:56

undeserving communities. Well,

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that that'd be white people.

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Yeah. That's true. Yeah. It's more

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in particular, poor white people. You deserve

5:03

nothing. You obviously haven't

5:05

worked hard enough.

5:06

You know? Exactly. You had white supremacy

5:08

at that You're back and you did nothing

5:10

with -- Exactly. -- and screw you.

5:13

No Medicare for you, no Social Security,

5:15

no

5:15

nothing. It's inequity deserving.

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That's what is John continues.

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I mean, I understand a sort of progressive ideology he's trying

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to invoke here. But if you think about this statement

5:25

for more than two seconds, you'll see that it makes zero

5:27

sense. How on Earth Does any event

5:29

happening in Memphis, Tennessee have any effect

5:32

whatsoever on a person black or

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otherwise in Saskatoon? Full

5:37

disclosure. I'm not black because you might have guessed

5:39

by the fact that I live in Saskatchewan.

5:52

But I was kind of thinking incredibly

5:55

infantilizing, I cannot comprehend how

5:57

simply sharing the skin color of another person

5:59

in another country means that any harm done to

6:01

them must be felt by me

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thousands of miles away. In a union Finally,

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am I away? Yes. Yeah. Am

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I overreacting here is the stuff really not

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a deal and should I not care or be concerned

6:12

about the need to view any story about bad policing

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through a racial

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lens, Camille. You

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should totally care. Like, you should get think

6:20

it is entirely possible for one to be

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sympathetic, compassionate, empathetic. With

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respect to some tragedy happening

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half a world away to someone you've never met

6:30

before because it happened to a fellow human and

6:32

that that fucking sucks. Right? That's

6:34

possible. But the overwrought,

6:36

particularly raised concern for

6:38

your fellow citizen who happens to maybe

6:41

kind of sort of look something like a

6:43

person who something bad that happened to,

6:45

especially in a context where

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we don't actually know exactly what

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happened because a lot of this was happening before

6:52

the video was available before there was much in the

6:54

way clear reporting on what happened

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is is gross. And

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I I am grateful for this this

7:02

email and and every note like it

7:04

that we receive because it

7:07

is it's wonderful to think that

7:09

more people are embracing the

7:12

basic idea of, like,

7:14

human dignity being something that is fundamentally

7:17

deserved and is attributable to

7:19

people on the on the basis of

7:21

their being a human being and

7:23

not with respect to their race

7:25

or anything else. And I do think

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there's something very degrading about

7:30

generally regarding people in this way

7:32

and about this kind of this

7:35

practiced, rehearsed, learned,

7:38

helplessness that is inherent

7:41

in this preposterous notion of

7:45

a racial community who is hurt

7:47

or victimized by something happening half

7:49

a world away to someone who doesn't look who

7:51

kinda sort of looks like them. So

7:53

that in and of itself, I think, is one reason

7:56

to be concerned. But certainly with respect to like policing,

7:58

I mean, it was just today that whoopi Goldberg was

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on the view offering her

8:03

often penetrating and well informed perspective,

8:05

little sarcasm there. And

8:07

she asks the

8:09

group of women who were right around the

8:11

table with her, do we need to see

8:14

white people also get beaten before

8:16

anybody is willing to do something? About

8:18

this. What? Specifically That

8:21

was today. Yeah. Do we need to see some

8:23

other people white people get beaten by police

8:25

before we're willing to do something about And then she goes

8:27

on to say, look, I'm not saying that I want this

8:29

to happen. I'm saying that, you

8:31

know, we're we're not taking this seriously, and

8:34

it's Of course, the premise is wrong.

8:36

The premise is wrong because we have seen this happen

8:38

before. And Lucino When

8:41

Lucino came out, the guys were in

8:43

jail, and they've been fired --

8:45

Uh-huh. -- and prosecutions were

8:47

starting up. And they were

8:49

not only being very upfront about what

8:51

happened, because I mean, I think over over

8:54

I think they were doing a bad thing in which was saying

8:56

it the woman who is on who's

8:58

the black female chief police in

9:01

Memphis was on Don Lemmon saying it

9:03

was worse than Rodney King. Mhmm.

9:05

Worse than Rodney King. And we know what happened

9:08

after Rodney King. I mean, you're basically priming

9:10

the pump for

9:10

riots. But that's a mean,

9:13

be careful about this. Absolutely. This

9:15

is not something that has been ignored.

9:17

I mean, good lord. Not not by any stretch.

9:19

I think that the premise here being that we've

9:21

seen this far too often. We see things like

9:23

this far too often. And and I just I think

9:26

even we

9:26

don't. Even that is a structure. The

9:28

number of police involved the

9:30

number of police involved's death has been

9:32

pretty firm at somewhere

9:34

around a thousand per year. I

9:36

believe that the number of unarmed deaths probably

9:39

around the same. We don't typically

9:42

see five law enforcement

9:44

officers run down a civilian

9:46

after a traffic stop and

9:49

murder them. Like, stomp them to death in the

9:51

street. We do not see that on a regular basis.

9:53

And if

9:53

we did, I think people would be appropriately

9:56

alarmed and animated by fear.

9:59

But we do see, like, questionable

10:01

conduct by law enforcement officers, questionable

10:03

conduct in particular, by these

10:06

special enforcement groups.

10:10

And we'll have to see precisely what

10:12

happened here with respect to why

10:14

they were harassing this particular gentleman and

10:16

this particular

10:17

gentleman on the center right now. It's a very,

10:19

very odd situation But

10:22

the kind of preposterous notion that

10:24

I think is kind of circulating through

10:26

the the kind of conventional elite

10:29

media ecosystem that

10:31

Well, this is obviously racism. Like,

10:35

it's not preposterous simply because

10:37

the five men here happened

10:39

to look something like the the person

10:41

who the victim who was

10:43

killed. It it's Well,

10:45

that all seems like there's a boss But

10:48

it's preposterous fundamentally because

10:50

there is no actual evidence of

10:52

racism being a motivating factor

10:54

here. And and there's not even attempt

10:56

to offer any evidence. But look at what you're

10:58

you're you're you're underlining here, Camilo, is that

11:00

is that it's not only that there's no

11:03

available evidence that any of these people has

11:05

said anything or done anything or tweeted something

11:07

or, you know, been, you know, fined or

11:10

kicked off a previous police force for although

11:12

one of them, I think, was was a prison guard,

11:14

and he had been accused of beating up

11:16

a prisoner in his charge in the

11:18

past. So that that's but that

11:20

is going to

11:21

raise.

11:21

I think you bat police officer. Yeah. Bat

11:23

police officer. But what so basically, what

11:25

was narrowed down to And

11:27

it used to be, you know, like,

11:29

oh, I really hope that the

11:32

police officer is or is not white

11:34

depending on how idiotic you are.

11:36

And how much you wanna make a culture war issue out of every

11:39

tragedy in America, that's what people would

11:41

say. But now we're actually at the point that the only

11:43

thing that matters is the victims race. That's

11:45

it. Mhmm. Because we have no evidence of it.

11:47

Is that that that these people were suffuse or

11:49

even sort of subtly infected with

11:52

Because if you say that there's subtle infection,

11:54

this is this is a very totalitarian idea,

11:56

by the way, that because there's an idea that

11:58

we can't identify Mhmm. It's in the

12:00

ether. It's in the air. We breathe it in.

12:02

It is part of who we are. And so

12:04

everything we do whether we know it or not

12:06

is corrupted by this. And that is

12:09

a classic kind of totalitarian idea

12:12

that, you know, everywhere you go, you're

12:14

suffering from false consciousness, capitalism

12:17

and, you know, these are the things that are animating

12:19

history and animating our decisions.

12:21

And, you know, the the the chess pieces on

12:24

the world stage or or just because of, you know, an imperialist

12:27

kind of, you don't even have to do very

12:29

much, but it just exists. When that is what

12:31

we're saying now, And this is what we're saying

12:33

now, I don't think anyone's pointing this out,

12:35

that when we only go the

12:37

the race of the victim, then

12:39

we are establishing something now that anything

12:42

that happens to a person

12:45

that is as horrifying as this was and

12:47

it was horrifying. If you haven't watched

12:49

a video, I would actually say don't because it's not --

12:51

Yeah. -- it's not a nice thing to watch. It's Yeah. I have

12:53

not -- Not a fun. -- I have not watched it. It's

12:55

yet at some point. You can even like even listening

12:57

to the audio page

12:58

too. Yeah. You would want to do

13:00

the job. Not eager to do it at

13:02

all. Yeah. And and that's I think

13:04

that's part of the the severe frustration

13:07

here. Like, there's this this real sense,

13:09

especially when you see just the the

13:11

the kind of fervor with which this

13:13

is being discussed in the public, the kind of

13:15

thoughtless fervor, honestly, with

13:17

the condemnation of people and

13:19

the specific kind of

13:21

championing of the idea that

13:24

this must be interpreted as

13:26

something having to do with race. And

13:28

and relatedly in some instances,

13:31

that anyone suggesting that this

13:33

seems odd to declare

13:35

as racist because of

13:38

the race of the people involved. It's

13:40

very funny how quickly the narrative transitioned

13:42

from The New York Times acknowledging in

13:45

print. Like, this is this is

13:47

odd. That the situation is more

13:49

complicated relative to their

13:51

standard narrative. This is their this is their

13:53

words that it's more complicated because

13:55

of the race of the officers involved. Well,

13:58

if this isn't complicated because there's nothing to

14:00

see here because every thoughtful person knows

14:02

as I'm told often by

14:05

leading lights of the kind

14:07

of progressive intelligency that

14:10

everybody knows that black people can be white

14:12

supremacists too. And that's why

14:14

black cops working for the racist

14:17

criminal justice system are killing

14:19

black

14:19

people. Like,

14:21

you should It's an it's an which one of those

14:23

things Which am I supposed to know? It's an anti

14:26

intellectual position, masquerading as an intellectual

14:28

position. So what happens is, as you

14:30

say, the absurdity of this should

14:32

be obvious to anyone and they say, oh my god,

14:35

it is so cute that you don't

14:37

believe that black cops can be

14:39

like, white supremacists because you don't understand systemic

14:41

racism. It's actually just really deep I took a

14:44

really deep issue.

14:45

Yeah. And, actually, it's gonna gonna

14:47

enlighten you now. Yeah. I'm gonna to

14:49

explain. No. We don't. But but

14:51

but it's an amazing thing. It's just a little trick for

14:53

this player to, like, this is actually beyond

14:56

your pay grade, who's very complicated stuff.

14:58

People who actually studied this, like, we understand

15:00

that systemic racism is everything

15:02

blah blah blah blah blah blah. But

15:05

what you're saying at the same time, this

15:07

is why it's anti intellectual, and

15:09

why it's unbelievably stupid.

15:12

What are the criteria

15:14

that you're using to bring up race in this

15:16

instance, because it's a big story and because it

15:18

was especially tragic, I mean, really,

15:20

really terrible because it was a beating. It wasn't,

15:22

like, somebody's, like, in a choke hold,

15:25

Eric Garner style, like, the let's

15:27

ban this move. We shouldn't be doing this. The guy's selling

15:29

Lucie's, all this stuff. This is just a fucking

15:31

beatdown and till the guy

15:33

dies and the thing that makes I think

15:36

this so powerful, is he's about two

15:38

hundred yards from his parent's house and he's yelling it

15:40

for his mom and hearing it makes you

15:42

want to cry. It's really horrible to listen

15:44

to. And you just want you want to, like,

15:46

intervene and say, like, could you why are you

15:48

not stopping this? And that

15:50

is but but to say

15:53

that this well, we know this is

15:55

part of the white supremacist

15:57

narrative, etcetera. This is why it happened.

15:59

You're saying that everything that a black

16:02

cop does. That is

16:04

against the rules, that is bending

16:06

the rules, that is overly aggressive,

16:09

is therefore, it just has to

16:12

be. So no evidence is

16:14

necessary. It's in ether.

16:16

That's what I'm gonna say. It's out there. So when it's

16:18

out there, you never have to make an argument

16:20

so therefore it's Antela intellectual. You don't have to

16:22

get to get to the root of anything. You don't have to do any

16:24

Sherlock Holmes detective work. You just

16:26

say, if it fits if it's getting

16:29

a lot of coverage, You know, by the way, this

16:31

is the the thing. It was on the cover of the BBC

16:33

web website for, like, three days. And

16:35

I did that one and I think

16:38

the only you know, solo

16:40

things I've done on the show about about Ukraine

16:42

right after the war started. And everyone's saying like,

16:44

oh, you don't care about Congo. You

16:46

don't care about what happens in Syria, and I explained

16:49

why I thought that was wrong. And this

16:51

is actually one of those stories of, like,

16:53

why is this of interest in Saskatoon? Mhmm.

16:55

Why is this of interest in covering,

16:58

like, state funded media

17:00

in England -- Yeah. -- constantly, why is America

17:03

Number one, why are these stories more important

17:05

than the fifty people that died yesterday,

17:08

you know, by by at the hands of the police in Argentina

17:10

or Venezuela? Venezuelan cops killed a lot

17:12

of people. Right? Why is that not bigger

17:14

story? So why don't you apply the same standard

17:16

that you use to, like, why

17:18

don't you care about what's happening and in

17:21

Congo. Why don't you as opposed

17:23

to why you And that the answer of that, by the

17:25

way, was white supremacy. That's it was the

17:27

argument. It's white supremacy you care about

17:29

this. We don't care about it, but but when Palestinians get

17:31

killed or something like this. And

17:33

we could make the very similar argument here

17:36

that we want to figure out why this

17:38

is more important than what is

17:40

going on in other places in the world, particularly when you're

17:42

not American. I mean, what an

17:44

odd sight it was when I saw a Swedish soccer

17:46

player taking the knee. They were like,

17:48

please let me get involved in this this

17:51

grandstanding.

17:53

The word systemic is funny because

17:57

it is be what what they actually

18:00

mean for the most part usually is is like

18:02

pervasive or do you think

18:04

Michael kind of ethereal or just like everywhere.

18:06

It's it's it's it's there. It's It's

18:08

it's all encompassing. It's surrounding other important

18:11

disparities. But it's not actually

18:13

usually a discussion about systems.

18:16

I mean, keep that in mind as

18:18

I traced just a little bit of

18:20

what Camille was beefing with Riley about,

18:23

which is just that it's it was a thing

18:25

that started off The Internet

18:27

decided that it was all Thomas Chatterton

18:29

Williams' fault as it does

18:32

every what? Three weeks Is that

18:35

the rule?

18:35

It's maybe a little less frequently.

18:37

I mean, it's classic bullying where everybody

18:39

gets involved in picking up the guy

18:40

and people love to

18:42

hate Thomas. Like, the I've

18:44

got a new I've got a brand new theory about

18:46

that, by the way. Yeah. That's related to a thing

18:48

that I sent to

18:49

you, Moynihan. And also

18:51

Stop at racism.

18:54

It's it's just

18:56

brutal. That was gonna say something

18:58

new. It's luxury beliefs.

19:00

Luxury beliefs. Anyway -- Yeah. -- so

19:03

what begins it is Van Jones, who's

19:06

an interesting and sometimes wrong and sometimes

19:08

right commentator. Rights piece of CNN.

19:10

It's opinion, the the police at

19:12

a very good dresser always wears purple because of prints.

19:14

And I I can only appreciate that. Opinion,

19:17

The police who killed Tyria Nichols were

19:19

black, but they might

19:21

still have been driven by

19:23

racism.

19:23

That's the headline there. So that that by

19:25

the way, that might is doing a lot of work in that area.

19:27

At least at least he's got the mite. Right? It's actually

19:30

kind of a it's kind of a appreciate you guys.

19:32

Know, you could write a video piece about anything.

19:34

They they might also be

19:35

They they they are motivated, but he

19:37

said mine. That's that's better. TCW,

19:39

Thomas Shatter, will Tyrin Williams or as a

19:41

friend of mine who really nameless always

19:43

calls him Thomas Chatterly, which makes me

19:45

really laugh because it's me, but it's funny.

19:48

It says, What if, stay with

19:50

me. This is on Twitter. These five

19:52

men were actually agents responsible

19:55

for their own reprehensible actions

19:58

and not merely hapless puppets

20:00

being manipulated by the invisible hand

20:02

of inescapable and omnipotent white

20:04

supremacy. Yeah. Bit

20:06

some elbows in there, but, like, a super

20:09

norman -- Yeah. -- comment. Yeah. Yeah.

20:11

But,

20:11

like, eighty percent of people in America would agree

20:14

with that. Absolutely. Well, they they show they

20:16

should agree with that. Yeah.

20:17

Well, I think most do, actually. But, Bradley

20:19

Balco, a previous guest and

20:21

and a Twitter sparring partner with Camille,

20:25

is one of many here who

20:27

jump on to say and but, like, with

20:30

Bradley's very sharp elbows,

20:33

just an utter absence of

20:35

intellectual curiosity here,

20:38

and then he changes the subject to the Scorpion

20:41

teams, which is a very interesting and important

20:43

subject that Radley wrote a good op ed about in New

20:45

York

20:45

Times, and we could talk about that as a separate

20:47

thing. But literally all three of us would agree.

20:50

Yeah.

20:50

Yeah. Yeah. That's actually worth it's

20:52

actually worth reading his reply because

20:54

that part of the reply is smart. It's just

20:56

that Thomas doesn't disagree with

20:58

it. Because

20:59

it's not Ted, so Ted Gentile.

21:01

To the point he says that this will

21:03

and this

21:04

seems to be piling on Thomas, so why not get

21:06

involved? It's it's being up a kid in the backyard, you

21:08

know? This will summarize Ridley's op ed, but it's

21:10

correct as far as I'm concerned. There's

21:12

a long history of elites and scare

21:14

quotes unaccountable police units like Scorpion

21:17

incentivizing the wrong behavior, attracting

21:19

the wrong sort of officer, becoming captured

21:21

by that sort of officer, and doing irreparable

21:24

damage. Says rally. That's a hundred percent

21:26

right now. Yes. By the way, one of our

21:28

listeners who's a, like, a pretty good

21:30

NYPD guy totally agrees all that

21:32

too. As dude, tons of good

21:34

cops. I mean, I saw in the rampart scandal.

21:36

That's what -- Absolutely. -- fucking rampart fucking

21:39

squad was. It was

21:39

like a war. Show over in Baltimore

21:42

over and over and over again? The gun trace task force

21:44

in Baltimore. Right? The stupid

21:46

ass Memphis police department

21:49

And this is not gonna it's not over.

21:51

I mean, they've they've I think it invited a couple more

21:53

people now, including people in the fire department. But,

21:57

like, the this is you don't

21:59

there's there's no way

22:01

that that culture is limited to five bad

22:04

people. And you could tell

22:06

even by their stupid PR department's

22:08

tweet. It's like, we're not gonna let the actions

22:10

of a few bad apples, like,

22:14

put this repute on the

22:16

name Scorpion. Because Scorpion is

22:18

really an important cause.

22:19

Like, dude, it's just before they

22:21

dismantled

22:22

Scorpion, which they now since they've done. But,

22:24

like, dude, you called it Scorpion. That's

22:26

a good sign that you're bucking

22:28

off over here. The other thing I would

22:30

point out going back to the systemic thing

22:32

and I sent this guys to you, this is a

22:35

sub head on

22:37

a New York Times piece. This

22:39

is twenty twenty three. We started really having

22:41

conversations conversations. About

22:44

policing and race and systemic stuff

22:46

in the summer of twenty fourteen with

22:48

Ferguson and all of a sudden that happened there. And

22:50

the protests afterwards, and then things that

22:53

people noticed in the wake of that.

22:56

Fantastic sub head here.

22:59

Officer's race turns

23:01

focus to system. Yeah.

23:06

Well, okay. Here's Here's an idea.

23:08

Wow. How about we focus

23:11

on the fucking system to

23:13

begin with? Yeah. Yeah. It's as if It's

23:15

as if if you address the system,

23:17

it's as if instead of policing

23:20

whether Thomas Chatterly is

23:23

being anti

23:25

racist enough or if he's actually

23:28

holding up a mirror to you people

23:30

who are in a purity spiral over here

23:33

saying things that are unpopular and

23:36

oftentimes deservedly so, sometimes

23:38

not to fifteen to

23:41

to eighty percent of the people and

23:43

he's holding that up. That's why you hate him.

23:45

That's why you you don't hate him because you think he's

23:47

racist. You don't actually hate him because you

23:49

think he's an uncle Tom. You hate

23:51

him because he's out there being

23:53

a normal person. And being a normal

23:55

person is really uncomfortable making

23:58

for people who are in the

24:01

business of propounding,

24:03

pro what professoring, propounding,

24:05

etcetera. Their luxury

24:07

belief systems. This is a this

24:09

is a pretty good essay that was originally

24:12

written, Colette, and was updated recently by the author

24:14

Rob Henderson, I believe his name is. And

24:16

he talks about how once

24:18

we all get to a certain level of richness

24:20

and I'm exempting Camille from here, there's

24:22

no possibility really to show enough

24:25

of your luxury goods in order

24:27

to show that you're not the poorest. And

24:29

so where do you go for? You go for kind of

24:31

a luxury belief systems. And So

24:35

and these things are actually expensive to

24:37

the people who or to normal

24:39

people. If they truly believed

24:42

that we need to abolish the police,

24:44

Police, which is a incredibly unpopular

24:46

idea as Billy Binion reasons

24:49

own a criminal justice reporter

24:51

one of many. Was pointing out just

24:53

tonight on Twitter, and he's correct, that defunding

24:55

the police is a six percent issue in

24:58

the in America right now. So don't get

25:00

mad at the people who point that out. People.

25:03

But luxury belief systems are way to advertise

25:06

in your in group like, no, I'm more hardcore.

25:08

I believe this thing that's even more

25:10

extreme on this level. And

25:13

these kind of conversations happen within

25:15

the in group And so

25:17

it's the normies who are in the middle, gives me kind of

25:19

a new insight. Maybe I'm overreacting to

25:22

a piece of that was pretty good. And he refreshed it like

25:24

this week. About ten days ago.

25:26

But this kind of explains some

25:28

of the fury towards

25:31

the Thomas Chatterlies, towards Barry

25:33

Weiss, towards the signers of

25:35

the Harper's letter. I mean, I

25:38

I was I was taken aback by how

25:40

freaked out people were about the Harper's

25:42

letter that you signed on to

25:43

Camille.

25:44

Mhmm. And

25:44

I'm less now because it it kind of makes sense. Because

25:46

it has nothing to do with ideas. Yeah. It's

25:48

idea. It's really basic. It's

25:51

so dramatic. It's about who the people are. It's

25:53

it's about the tribe. You know, in in

25:55

luxury belief system thing is right, I I completely

25:58

agree. But it's an updated version

26:00

of radical chic and mama ing the flat catchers.

26:02

Yeah. The Tom Wolf, the two essays

26:04

that were, you know, brought out as a thin volume,

26:07

The first one is about the

26:09

Leonard Bernstein party for the Black Panthers,

26:12

and the other one is about in San Francisco

26:15

the people who are in

26:18

the system dealing with people

26:20

that they feel that they are themselves

26:22

part of the system keeping down and how how

26:24

they interact with them. That's

26:27

probably not best version of how I

26:29

would explain that essay, but that's sort of what

26:31

it is. And that's the thing. Is that is that,

26:33

you know, these people are

26:35

going to say I mean,

26:37

look, think of all the big the

26:40

big ones. Start with

26:42

two thousand fourteen, I think is right. Ferguson is

26:44

really what kicks it up. You could say Travon, that

26:49

is look if we started Trevon, even there's

26:51

a complication with Trevon is that,

26:53

you know, there's an assault and

26:55

somebody who is visibly

26:58

Hispanic is now a white Hispanic in

27:00

in the media concert for the first time I'd ever heard

27:02

that from you. The

27:03

beginning of the Black Lives Matter thing was Trey. That

27:05

was the beginning of Black Lives Matter thing. And there's

27:07

some kind of that a lot of

27:09

that didn't make sense. It wasn't

27:11

entirely clear but at the end

27:13

of the day, and I will say this quite

27:15

quite, you know, openly. And

27:17

George Zimmerman is

27:20

not a great guy. I just think that's pretty

27:22

nice. A pretty pretty pretty shitty

27:24

guy. Right? And I say that, like, e and and

27:26

people are like, well, obviously, he killed Trevor Martin. I'm

27:28

saying, no. No. No. I'm not even making a judgment on that because

27:30

there's some was he being was he actually

27:32

defending himself? Was he about, I don't that doesn't matter.

27:34

He's a piece of shit and that's the end of

27:36

the story. But there is some

27:39

kind of complications in that

27:41

story. There was an argument about it. Just put it that way. I'm

27:43

not taking a side and I'm just saying this argument. But when you get to

27:45

two thousand fourteen, you get Michael Brown. And

27:48

there is this kind of, you

27:50

know, fire hose of misinformation in

27:53

the proper use of the word misinformation that

27:55

turns out you know, Eric

27:57

Holder in the Obama justice department cleared a lot

27:59

of this stuff up. They hands up Don't Chew thing.

28:01

He's a guy who robbed a store

28:04

and then tried to disarm

28:07

presumably to shoot a police officer

28:10

by reaching in to to try and take his gun.

28:13

Not the best example for something

28:15

that's going to kick off into this big big move. And so,

28:17

yeah, the trademark thing starts. Twenty fourteen

28:20

Ferguson is really where it kicks off. Right?

28:22

The George Floyd thing is the most

28:24

cut and dry until this

28:27

one case of, you

28:29

know, this is by

28:31

every comp that you talk to and we as

28:33

you said, Matt, we have listener zero comps. This

28:35

is not good policing. This is not what you should do.

28:37

Right? And and, you know, it

28:40

is complicated when you see the longer video and see somebody

28:42

that says, I can't breathe before they're in the car.

28:44

I mean, I mean, before they're on the ground and saying,

28:46

like, this all of a sudden sounds like there's

28:48

something this guy's saying. So maybe there's

28:50

some kind of elasticity in

28:53

in, like, whether or not this you

28:55

know, he should have responded Derek

28:57

Sullivan. But that's neither here nor there.

28:59

The thing the thing about it is and I'm, you know,

29:01

say let let's say the jury got it right and he's

29:03

in jail. I don't wanna revisit that.

29:05

But the thing I do wanna mention is

29:07

that, as Camille said about this one, I mean,

29:09

you have five black comps. The

29:12

the one with Sharvin, you have an

29:15

Asian cop. You

29:17

have a half black cop. And you have

29:19

a white cop in in chauvin, right?

29:21

Those are the three that I think were were

29:23

jailed. I'm not sure

29:25

about that, but I don't go to work it on trial.

29:28

And we

29:30

don't know as what Camille said about

29:32

this

29:32

one. We don't know

29:35

of any racism that motivated this.

29:37

It was

29:37

not part of the trial. It was not part of the trial. It was

29:39

part of the mention that in the trial.

29:42

And trust me, people do understand

29:44

the Johnny Cochrane of it all And if you

29:46

wanna get race in a trial, it's gonna get your guy

29:48

off. It's gonna do this. It's gonna, you know, get

29:50

the the police to go to

29:52

go to jail for, you know, nine life sentences.

29:55

You play that card if you have it, particularly because

29:57

it's true and it should be part of the public record.

30:00

But also, you know, it's not something

30:02

that a judge is going to shy away from. So

30:04

when you have this, it it never comes up.

30:06

And the reason it never comes up is because despite

30:08

the fact that everything everybody does

30:11

is put under the microscope. You do

30:13

the defense archaeology. You look at everything

30:16

they ever posted online. Nothing came

30:18

up. Nothing came up.

30:21

So we have the biggest racial

30:23

reckoning is about a

30:25

horrible, horrible tragedy. I don't think anyone

30:27

says like there are people that argued like Rodney King

30:30

kind of fucking deserved it. I'm not saying that was what I say.

30:32

Like, Rush Limbaugh wrote a chapter in his book that

30:34

was basically said, Rodney King fucking deserved it. No

30:36

one said that about Dershow about about about

30:38

George Floyd. If they did or like the

30:41

the, you know, fringe of the French,

30:43

they were the Nick Fuentes of the world.

30:46

But we don't know that there's any racial motivation

30:48

there other than we have a white person or

30:50

a black person. And therefore, we're going to impose

30:53

upon it -- Mhmm. -- our racial narratives.

30:55

And then we have this one where all the cops are black. So

30:57

we have a lot of these things that are these big,

30:59

big tentpole kind of cases

31:03

that aren't even obviously

31:06

what people say they are. Mhmm. What

31:09

the loudest voices say they

31:10

are. Which for me always goes back to

31:12

the thing is that that means we have a pretty good situation

31:14

in this country.

31:15

There was a sixth cop today who was released

31:17

It's horrible thing to say, but it's true. Yeah.

31:19

And I'm not saying that that I'm not saying that, like, this

31:21

stuff is,

31:22

like, that this is okay.

31:25

It's not okay. I mean, don't We haven't

31:27

we haven't too much we have too much violence period,

31:29

including police involved violence --

31:31

Sure. -- in actual violence. I think everybody

31:34

agreed to

31:34

violence. But, like, that civility violence

31:36

has We would like less of this in

31:38

general. And this is the thing that, I mean,

31:40

I say this about Bradley and I can,

31:42

you know, if he's listening to this, I can feel

31:45

his skin crawling and trying to

31:47

separate itself from his from his body, but

31:50

this is where, you know, I I mean, I agree

31:52

with Randy on this stuff. And I'm sure that

31:54

everything I said previously he does not agree

31:56

with. But this is these

31:58

are not mutually exclusive ideas that

32:00

these are not great cases in

32:02

a lot of ways. They're not things

32:04

like, you know, the Rodney King

32:06

thing is is itself was

32:08

was kind of complicated. If you read Lou Cannon,

32:11

the great LA Times journalist.

32:13

And, I guess, Reagan Biography wrote two by Yeah.

32:16

Reagan. Luke Can wrote a book called

32:19

On what was it

32:20

called? On

32:23

something something

32:24

Long COVID, Dorothy? Yeah. It was Long COVID,

32:26

but it's a good book and it it talks about all

32:28

the complications. But, you know, these

32:30

are not, like, cut and dry things where,

32:32

you know, someone is yelling

32:35

racial slurs and beating somebody up. I

32:38

mean, it's good that people don't do that. Yeah.

32:41

And even if they know that that's not popular,

32:43

that's a good thing to know. That's

32:45

you know, I I don't know what to say about it beyond the fact

32:47

that, like, to say that this is

32:50

racially motivated. And

32:52

it's they're harboring some sort of, you know,

32:55

subterranean anti

32:57

blackness, which I guess What do you get out of that?

32:59

That's my point. I mean, I I don't want them to say

33:01

that Camille's fucking radicalized me about this.

33:04

But,

33:04

like, where do you get? Like, what

33:06

purpose does it serve to

33:08

correct Thomas Chatterly about

33:10

shining his visions. Yeah. don't

33:13

like it, Matt. Every time you say it makes

33:15

me laugh. It makes me laugh,

33:17

and it makes you uncomfortable. So it's two for

33:19

two. Okay. Alright.

33:22

Let's Tom and Charles and William. That's

33:23

that's the best I can.

33:24

TCW. Is that

33:27

what does it get you in this case in this moment?

33:30

It

33:30

sounds like, okay. Okay, Chuck. Go on.

33:33

Yeah. It gets you nowhere.

33:35

Yeah. He'll try to get down. Bring it to the

33:38

Five cops. Is

33:40

one of them? A black person that's erases

33:42

against black people because it's just are four

33:44

not. How do we tell? More of that

33:46

is helpful. But the system that the New York

33:48

Times wants us to look at in the in the subbed,

33:51

like, I'm I'm I'm

33:53

grateful that in these moments

33:56

at the very

33:56

least, people are now

33:59

talking about systems. In fact, that

34:00

actually happened in Ferguson. I mean, they're not

34:02

they're not really, but

34:03

they are abroad. They're talking about conservatively. They're talking

34:05

about the system of white supremacy, which is

34:07

everything.

34:08

Compare it to airborne to me, I would say.

34:10

It's the air that we meet. In

34:12

in the in the Ferguson case, there was

34:14

a moment there and, rather, it was crucial to that moment

34:17

as were we at the independents. In

34:20

talking about the ways this is sort

34:22

of post Ferguson, but people

34:24

sort of noticed how that police department was operated,

34:26

which is that it shook down poor

34:28

people to try to get money out of them to fund

34:30

the police department. Mhmm. That sucks. That's

34:32

bad. You should stop that. And there's a

34:34

whole bunch of other, like, the systemic

34:37

things that you can do. You can stop civil

34:39

asset forfeiture on the local

34:41

and the federal level. About

34:43

that, you could stop qualified immunity

34:45

for cops. You could There's a certain change.

34:47

All all of that concern, though, was overshadowed

34:50

by the particular concern about race.

34:53

Right. And that was that was the mythology

34:56

of of the Michael Brown

34:59

situation is is

35:01

overwhelming. It is extraordinary how

35:03

many people still believe like hands up don't

35:05

shoot nonsense. Like, those are the things

35:07

that actually endure. It is

35:10

it is the the preposterous

35:12

racecraft that that

35:15

infested that entire situation and

35:18

the the kind of memeification

35:20

of this person's death. Which is is

35:22

which is actually incredibly gross.

35:25

I mean, you really it's the

35:26

reason why it is so hard I mean,

35:28

apart from it just being awful, it's the

35:30

reason why it's so difficult to actually go and

35:32

and look at this footage to to

35:35

even follow the prop preposterous

35:37

mailstrom that surrounds any of

35:39

these stories. It it it

35:42

I can only imagine how terrible

35:44

it is to have your loved one

35:47

die a thousand deaths.

35:49

Every single day, you are reminded again

35:52

of the loss that you suffered But

35:54

the loss is no longer, like,

35:56

this is your love doing. This person is

35:58

a symbol. And they're a symbol of

36:01

what perhaps you agree and believe

36:03

in maybe. But for

36:05

for me, as I look at it, they're a symbol of

36:07

this kind of ridiculous notion. These preposterous

36:10

beliefs that that must be defended

36:13

above all else, even in the face

36:15

of absolutely no evidence to support

36:17

the particular proposition of interest to you.

36:20

That these five men were motivated

36:22

by some sort of internalized racism

36:24

that this particular police unit

36:26

was perhaps only operating because

36:29

it was destroying Black Life. We

36:31

I think it was just the last time we recorded

36:33

where we talked about public enemy. Nine

36:36

one one's a joke in your

36:37

town.

36:37

The text service The

36:38

police don't come when you call. Yeah. And how

36:40

they show up? They got special task force.

36:42

Unit for you.

36:43

Yeah. The concern would you argue is that you don't

36:45

know. Overincarceration. The

36:47

the like, they were concerned at one point about

36:49

track being too much in their communities.

36:51

They wanted. They wanted.

36:54

They defended the idea of

36:56

there being this disproportionate punishment for

36:58

people who did things bad things in black

37:00

communities. But there were there were leaders

37:03

of the congressional black caucus who defended

37:05

that kind of thing. Is that systemic

37:07

racism? It's it's a preposterous

37:10

note. And tonight, I asked Bradley, if

37:13

if we were to strip away all of the laws

37:15

in the country, every single one, and the only

37:17

thing that we prohibited was murder. That's

37:19

it. It would still be the case

37:21

that there would be more black people prosecuted

37:24

relative to the share of the population than

37:26

white people. Would that be racism

37:29

if the only crime in the country was

37:31

black was murder? Murder?

37:34

And black people happen to be prosecuted more

37:37

than white people because they happen to perpetrate

37:39

more of those crimes, and subsequently,

37:41

to be more often victimized. Because

37:44

it seems to me that it would actually be worse not

37:46

to lock up more

37:48

people and effectively make

37:51

it defacto less bad to murder

37:53

black people. The

37:55

notion of systemic racism strikes

37:57

me as somewhat absurd and in a minimum somewhat

38:00

circular and thoughtological and perhaps

38:02

there is something interesting to be said for

38:04

it. It is not the case that every single

38:07

racial disparity ought to be ignored, but

38:09

it's also not the case that every racial disparity

38:11

is evidence proof positive of

38:14

some white supremacist system,

38:16

and it is particularly galling

38:18

to see people who are are

38:20

outraged by suggestions that

38:23

particular cultural phenomenon can

38:25

can like have some impact on

38:27

the society more broadly that hip hop, for

38:29

example, might be a bad influence.

38:31

That there might be this, as the Moynihan report

38:34

stated, a culture of poverty that contributes

38:36

to bad outcomes for particular people.

38:38

Those are cultural arguments. The white supremacy

38:40

argument is also a cultural argument. They

38:43

they want to have it one way The only

38:45

cultural argument they'll tolerate is

38:47

the argument about white supremacy, and it

38:49

is a magical sweeping cultural

38:51

argument that doesn't just infect people,

38:54

it infects institutions and transforms their

38:56

minds. The only kind of

38:58

power they believe in is white power, which

39:01

is ironic and distressing

39:03

and

39:04

gross. Like,

39:06

it's I mean, imagine all the conversations all

39:08

the important conversations we should be having now.

39:10

It's just proportionate Imagine what it does to every

39:13

sort of argument. I understand that when

39:15

you deploy it in a situation like this,

39:17

you're saying that somebody who is empowered

39:20

by the states with a monopoly on

39:22

force. They will use

39:24

that white supremacy that is all

39:26

around them and is infecting the groundwater But

39:29

what can you make that argument then?

39:31

If it is so powerful that it can't even

39:33

actually be identified, we can't

39:36

actually, you know, see it.

39:38

We can see, you know, its AIDS and

39:40

HIV. We can see the, you

39:43

know, the, we can't see the bigger disease,

39:46

right, but we can see its manifestation. But

39:49

if that is the case, imagine what that

39:51

opens the door to. Every

39:53

crime that's committed. Everything

39:55

that one does. You can say

39:57

that, well, if I was in the police

40:00

force, yeah, I'd be beating the shit out of people because

40:02

I've been granted this power and

40:04

I'm also marinating

40:06

in this culture -- Mhmm. -- and it's

40:08

just taken over my body and I can't help

40:10

myself. I have no agency whatsoever. I

40:12

have enough agency to go to prison. So they don't want to

40:14

go prison because he can make a decision to do

40:17

that and he shouldn't have made that decision despite

40:19

the fact that that decision was actually made for him

40:21

by white supremacy. But, you

40:23

know, imagining defendants

40:25

making this argument for I mean, but but they

40:27

have. But they have. IIII

40:29

mean, it's the twinkie. It's it's the racial twinkie

40:32

to feel

40:32

you. They they have. And we've actually

40:34

seen we've seen circumstances where

40:37

where this is this has come up in court.

40:40

You know, how frequently? Not frequently?

40:43

Could it happen more frequently? I mean,

40:45

shouldn't it shouldn't it just stand to

40:47

reason that black people simply shouldn't be punished

40:49

as harshly when they commit the same

40:51

crimes as their white counterparts because

40:53

they're not really as guilty. They're

40:56

not fully human. You can't expect If

40:58

you ask the kids that are better of these

41:00

people. It's grotesque. Yeah. If you ask the

41:02

ask the people that are debating and I

41:04

use that word with a lot of latitude,

41:07

the reparations idea

41:10

in San Francisco. If you ask them that

41:12

same thing, you just said Camille, should there

41:14

be lesser punishments based on race?

41:16

Yeah. They would say yes. Yes. Of course. I

41:18

I guarantee you. And I could try it. I can call them.

41:20

I can email them. But the the the

41:23

vaguishness for racial

41:25

apartheid is

41:27

really getting on my nerves. And it's

41:29

really depressing me more than anything. It's like I don't

41:31

believe that these people

41:34

are I mean, they're glass jaws. They're very easy to debate

41:36

because they're not very bright. Well, they don't and it's do

41:38

it, though. That's why they don't they

41:40

also don't debate. That's true. But you

41:42

have this thing where where, you know,

41:45

it allows everybody to

41:49

get involved in the debate.

41:51

They're hitting a baseball off a tee now. They're

41:54

not facing pitching. Right? So because the

41:56

easiest thing now is to say,

41:58

like, well, the average person sitting

42:00

next to you. And by the way, I I told you about one dinner

42:02

that I had in which this came up, and

42:04

it was like, I couldn't believe it. And

42:06

when I pushed back, they literally had no idea what I was

42:08

talking about. Because there's a series of

42:10

conformance that were handed them on top with

42:13

in two thousand twenty, and it allows everybody

42:15

to be involved, and it actually allows them to feel

42:17

smart because This is the thing that people understand about

42:19

college students when they get into Chomsky. They love

42:21

to bring it up at Thanksgiving. That's why this whole Thanksgiving

42:23

trope. Right? This stupid thing that everyone writes everywhere

42:26

how to argue with your Fox News,

42:28

Uncle on Thanksgiving. Like, please stop giving this this

42:30

fucking stupid article. But, like,

42:32

that thing is, like, you get to go home to your parents

42:34

when you're nineteen, in twenty and be like,

42:36

I know the real fucking truth. And there's a lot

42:38

of the I know the real truth in this when people

42:41

are like, you don't even actually, you're so stupid. You

42:43

think that because they're blank that

42:45

that actually doesn't

42:47

matter or matters, sorry,

42:49

to say that they can't possibly be racist.

42:52

You don't understand the

42:54

deep subterranean stuff that I understand.

42:57

And that is just wild. And I'll give you an

42:59

example of this and the apartheid thing that's driving

43:01

me nuts. We've seen so many examples. We won this week.

43:03

We had a letter, writer, correspondent,

43:06

email writer from Saskatoon.

43:10

In Canada, there's a bit of an uproar

43:12

as state funded theater -- Mhmm.

43:14

-- is having two nights in

43:16

two successive weeks in which only

43:18

black people are allowed into the theater. It's a blackout.

43:23

It's a part time. I mean, it's this I mean,

43:25

against the

43:26

law. In this country, I presume

43:28

pre it'd be against the law in

43:30

in in They

43:31

may fix that. They may fix that.

43:33

Well, they end up being, like, you

43:35

know, I remember a long time ago seeing

43:38

Rachel Mato playing a clip of Rand

43:40

Paul. From a long time ago. Mhmm.

43:42

And he was essentially him saying, you know,

43:44

I would have opposed the

43:46

civil rights act because you know,

43:48

people who own, you know, Woolworths

43:50

or something should part the

43:52

parts of the civil rights. Yeah. Part of

43:54

which

43:55

then went on MSNBC to say,

43:57

don't longer think that by the way. Yeah. But

43:59

I think that I think he reversed himself incorrectly.

44:01

This is my own perspective. But so so but

44:04

so that kind of argument that was going

44:06

on, you know, maybe ten years ago,

44:09

is exactly what people like this want when

44:11

you say that this type of racial apartheid

44:13

against a law. They're like, well, no. No. I don't know my part

44:15

is a private business. We want to

44:17

slay white supremacy, and we only want

44:20

black people in the theater. We don't want white people in

44:22

the theater. We wanna keep them out. You've just ranned politics

44:25

yourself. Old grandpa. I guess he he said

44:27

he didn't believe it or not. But that was so

44:29

offensive to people that it was,

44:31

you know, brought up by Rachel and, you

44:33

know, thundered against And, you

44:35

know, I happen to agree. I disagree with you on

44:37

this email, but I happen to agree with the idea

44:39

that that's a bad

44:40

thing. But, you know,

44:41

if it's not a bad I didn't say it's not

44:43

me. Yes. I I'm fine with the state

44:45

having having license over that.

44:48

Yeah. But this

44:50

is what people desire now. This

44:53

has happened. I remember that as Steven

44:55

Miller, not the not the

44:58

Trump's Steven

44:58

Miller, but with the red

45:00

sea's Yeah. Who's very funny guy, by

45:02

the way? I've just I admit that he's his

45:04

Twitter makes me laugh quite a bit. But he did

45:06

the thing, like and everyone, like, piled on him, like,

45:08

he was Thomas Chapman Williams. About, like,

45:10

I'm gonna go to this film

45:13

showing in New York that was, like, women only.

45:15

And I was gonna he's, like, I'm gonna file

45:17

a lawsuit, lawsuit, discrimination lawsuit. It

45:19

was something like that. Yeah. This stuff happens

45:21

a lot now. And it's

45:23

all part of this idea of what Camille

45:27

correctly calls race essentialism.

45:29

Yeah. would

45:31

happily show up at a at a white only

45:33

film screening just to make trouble.

45:36

And I wish people would do that at this

45:38

black only film screening to get thrown.

45:42

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45:44

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