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Sir. Hello

1:20

welcome to Episode Seven Seven Season

1:22

Thirteen The Find Go Podcast. With.

1:24

Spooky and John back in the

1:27

house. Is.

1:29

There a parent involvement. Every.

1:31

Time spurs have a really bad result

1:33

on the guys and they must see

1:35

guys on the podcast to to to

1:38

to find a sense of. Of.

1:40

I were is just horrific Positive: A

1:42

A. A don't like

1:45

that phrase of think that there's no

1:47

such thing as toxic positive light bar.

1:50

Or that the reasonable, balanced,

1:52

logical pragmatic for. Twins.

1:55

Way home from. Punditry: Yet

1:57

and is without. You. know flying

2:01

into the sky with wings and

2:04

ignoring the problems down below.

2:06

Who was that little Greek lad that flew up near

2:08

the sun? Icarus. I can

2:10

hardly die there, eh? Yeah, Icarus. That's what

2:12

I'm saying. He's not my cousin, mate. He thought

2:14

I knew him. I don't know. Just

2:17

related to all the Greek mythology. Everyone.

2:20

The magicians in his auntie. I just thought

2:22

as a Greek man you'd know exactly what

2:25

I was talking about. Is it Pegasus? I

2:27

should. No, no, Icarus. Icarus. I

2:29

don't have the knowledge. Didn't he make his wings

2:31

out of glue? Out

2:34

of glue? Wax. Wax. That's

2:37

why it's the smell that would melt it.

2:39

The sun, exactly. Right. Yeah,

2:42

that kind of feels like what Spurs are

2:44

this season. It is parable, yeah. This

2:46

is kind of what Spurs are this season is

2:48

that we dared to fly close to the sun

2:50

in the first ten games of

2:52

the season. And we

2:55

flew too close and

2:57

our wings of wax melted and

3:00

we fucking hit the floor and we died. Good.

3:04

There's many stories to be learned from that. Many lessons to

3:06

be learned from that. Before

3:09

we move into the podcast and talk about

3:11

what was and what happened last week, like

3:14

yesterday for fuck's sake, you

3:17

mentioned the fact that you've got to look forward to

3:19

a sort of,

3:22

was it a family event where Spurs are playing

3:24

Liverpool and you've got to listen to

3:26

your dad's musings? So, staying

3:28

on the Greek theme, it's Greek

3:31

Easter is this Sunday, basically.

3:33

What does that mean? No, it's the Greek people.

3:35

Is it massive? Yeah, yeah. I

3:38

think it's one of those things that it's

3:40

on par, especially back in Cyprus, it's on

3:42

par with Christmas, like in terms of family

3:44

gatherings and the amount of food that people

3:47

eat. It's a celebration

3:49

as is Christmas, I guess. But

3:51

obviously they're into the whole church going

3:54

stuff, which isn't something I was ever

3:56

really interested in. Whereas

4:00

this Sunday, it's just

4:02

a family gathering, loads of food,

4:04

drink and unfortunately, Tottenham versus Liverpool.

4:06

It's the issue that you and

4:08

your dad don't align in, your

4:10

idea. No,

4:12

my dad's okay. He

4:15

worries a lot about Spurs, like most of

4:17

us do. I think me and my uncle

4:19

have got differing ways of digesting football. I'd

4:24

say I'm far more philosophical

4:27

and mellow. That doesn't

4:29

mean I do not get utterly depressed about Tottenham.

4:33

And I don't get angry about Spurs. But

4:36

I think my uncle is

4:38

consistently, persistently angry.

4:41

He's got a lot of good ideas and thoughts

4:43

around how the club should be run in terms

4:45

of day to day because of his background and

4:47

whatever else. I won't go into that. But

4:51

the way that he consumes football

4:54

is if

4:56

there's a scale and 10 is angry,

4:58

he's near 30. Really? He's

5:01

just completely off the... Yeah, and I get it. He

5:05

was there in 1971 when

5:08

the scumbags turned up and

5:11

beat us to win the league on our

5:13

patch. He's seen UEFA Cup finals. He's been

5:15

to games that

5:18

are just part of our history

5:20

now. Do you know what I'm saying? Folklore in

5:22

my history. So he's frustrated. But I

5:25

also think he

5:27

has zero patience. And I know this is

5:29

like a bugbear for

5:31

a lot of people. We've been patient for so

5:33

long. But there's

5:36

being impatient and there's being patient,

5:38

right? And there's understanding what we're

5:40

trying to do at any given

5:42

moment. And also understanding when what

5:44

we're doing is pointless, like Nuno.

5:49

Or perhaps even with Mourinho and Conte.

5:51

But we gave those two guys a fair crack.

5:54

Like I would say, kind of.

5:57

And the fact that I think my

5:59

uncle's coming. completely switched off

6:01

with PostoCogloo already. He's just

6:04

decided that we're conceding all

6:06

these goes from set pieces and PostoCogloo

6:08

will not learn. There's no

6:10

chance he's gonna learn, it's done. Okay, I

6:12

wanna, why not? We've got a segment in

6:14

this podcast about fan

6:17

perception of PostoCogloo and whether or not

6:19

we think, we as

6:21

in the Royal We of the Tottenham Hotspur

6:23

fan base think that he is the right man for the

6:26

job. So I don't wanna go into that too much, but.

6:29

Can I just say one thing though, before like, you know,

6:31

John has a go. Well,

6:33

I'm not sat here saying, don't criticize

6:35

PostoCogloo. I just wanna say this, right?

6:37

Political, party political statement from Spooky.

6:40

I'm not saying you can't criticize him. I'm

6:42

not saying ignore the red flags. I'm not saying any

6:44

of that stuff. It doesn't matter

6:46

who the manager is right now. I mean, he

6:48

does a lot, but my point being, whoever we

6:50

appointed, we've

6:53

got to allow him to fail if that's

6:55

what he's going to do. And this thing

6:57

around get rid of X manager

6:59

now, or this kind of dialogue around

7:01

nothing's gonna improve because there's been no

7:03

evidence of the right

7:05

improvement in those areas thus far is,

7:09

I think it's just a coping mechanism. And I'm

7:11

starting to believe that I think most people probably

7:14

on that,

7:16

at that point, I think the very

7:18

loud minority is screaming for change and

7:20

whatever else. I think

7:22

their logic is flawed ultimately. And we're bringing the

7:24

next manager, do you actually set up the same

7:26

parameters for the next manager and then look to

7:28

get rid of him? I'm gonna come into all

7:31

of this Spooky in the predefined section

7:37

about Posto Cogloo in

7:39

about half hour. Is that right?

7:42

I'll have a drink, cheers. You

7:45

read the running order Spooky. I

7:47

mean, you never get, you never got, but

7:50

there is a section about it. So we put a

7:53

poll out and figure out how many people in or

7:55

out with Posto Cogloo and why not, but

7:58

that might not be ridiculous. But

8:01

my dad, I was

8:04

watching the game yesterday with my old man and he's

8:07

like, I've had it, the last

8:09

couple of years I've found bad

8:12

defeats difficult to deal with and

8:15

I felt like I'd managed to fix that

8:17

through the years, like moving towards my 40s,

8:20

I'm 42 now, but moving towards my 40s,

8:23

I'd managed to create

8:26

an environment where I'm kind of zen. Yeah,

8:29

so I can't control what Tottenham do or

8:31

what the other team do, but I

8:34

can control how I feel about

8:36

it. When,

8:39

when Havert scored that third goal, my head was

8:41

in my hands and I was like, what

8:44

am I doing? Why is he so fucking

8:46

painful? My dad, to his credit, he's not

8:48

the most sensitive man on earth, he isn't.

8:51

Very few times in our life has he

8:53

ever told me he loved me. He's never,

8:55

like we have, we hug and stuff and

8:58

it's all good, but he

9:00

just put these hands on the back of my head

9:02

like I was a six year old boy and went,

9:05

don't worry mate, it's okay, we've

9:08

beaten many, many times before, we'll beat

9:10

him again, this is just one game.

9:12

And do you know what, for that moment I was a little

9:14

boy again, I was like I needed my

9:17

dad, very few times you need your dad when

9:19

you're 42, just to have

9:21

an element of calm over and he just went, don't

9:24

worry about it, and he put his hand on the back of my head

9:26

and I was like, you know what dad,

9:28

you've done me a solid there, you've done me

9:30

a solid. Anyway, John

9:33

Boy, overarching,

9:36

what did you make of the performance? Because it was a

9:38

weird game, it was a weird game, they went 3-0 up

9:40

which is, I can't remember

9:42

I've ever experienced Spurs going

9:44

3-0 down at YR

9:46

Lane, can't remember anyway,

9:49

doesn't matter. But they did go 3-0

9:51

up, we played well

9:54

but we were 3-0 down, what did

9:56

you make of the performance overall because we come back into it

9:59

in the second half. Yeah, well firstly

10:01

my dad doesn't follow football He

10:03

once famously said after France 98

10:05

that he thought that David Owen was a really

10:07

good player So

10:10

that just sort of shows you I don't have

10:12

that comfort blanket when we were three no down

10:14

And my my sort of overarching thoughts were even

10:16

in the first half when we were three no

10:18

down. I'm always looking for

10:21

Reasons as to like why and sometimes it is just

10:24

because we play badly and in

10:26

this this particular game I didn't feel

10:28

that way so I wasn't as angry

10:31

at the situation as I

10:33

have been previously in work in less

10:35

bad situations so Yeah,

10:38

I think there was a little bit of copamine

10:40

on my side Right like I felt like the

10:42

disallowed goal for how far didn't exist then that

10:44

would have been a goal And it's like it

10:46

does exist though. So you can't really use that

10:48

is annoying The penalty

10:50

there wasn't given like the trip and stuff like

10:52

that Like there's lots of things that made me

10:54

think on another day you get those decisions and

10:56

all of a sudden the games completely different And

11:00

I didn't think we were playing badly I didn't

11:02

think it was a case of like we looked

11:04

awful and it was disjointed and we couldn't put

11:06

things together They were

11:09

very clinical we weren't and

11:12

We had chances. I mean hit the post twice. I

11:14

think in that first half We had a penalty claim

11:16

and a disallowed goal So I mean

11:18

if any of those goals go in the games completely

11:21

different from that point on wet and son missed a

11:23

huge chance When he went through math. Yeah. Yeah massive

11:25

chance, which I've forgotten about right? So like this

11:28

idea that we were smashed and

11:30

outplayed 3-0 that to me

11:32

is just It's just looking

11:34

at like one particular statistic, which is

11:36

the most important one Don't get me wrong and

11:39

just go in therefore you are outplayed

11:41

and outgunned and and look fundamentally Flabber

11:44

your favorite word if you are losing 3-0 you

11:46

end up losing the game like the

11:48

reasons as to why That

11:51

doesn't really matter in that one result It's about

11:53

you know learning from that and moving forward and

11:55

for me There was like lots of things that

11:58

were frustrating about that game, but it didn't it

12:00

didn't tie into this feeling of like, where do

12:02

we go from here? How do we like fix

12:04

this? This is a nightmare. I'm like, actually everyone

12:07

going, we have to do something about set pieces

12:09

is a positive for me. Because everyone can see

12:11

that something you can fix. Again, another section that

12:13

we can come and do set pieces, which is

12:15

going to happen. But this is just an example

12:18

of the thing. So for me, that it was

12:20

like, there's lots of things that aren't

12:22

working, but they're identifiable. And

12:25

it isn't a case of the players just

12:27

don't care, or they're not bought in, or

12:29

they don't get it, or the system's not

12:31

working. They're identifiable tweaks. And so as I've

12:33

been saying for many, many weeks now, yes,

12:36

I get angry in the moment when a goal

12:38

goes in. Yes, I'm annoyed after a result when

12:40

we lose. But I can process it and I

12:42

can process it quickly, because I can see that

12:44

like the bigger picture is that there are things

12:47

that we can fix and hopefully we will fix,

12:49

and time will tell if we fix them. And if we do, then

12:52

things will be going in the right direction. The conversation

12:54

I was having with my old man was, I can't

12:56

believe we're 3-0 down after that performance,

12:58

after the balance of play. That's

13:01

what I was most frustrated about, and he was frustrated about

13:03

as well. So

13:05

there was good performances, there was good performances

13:07

in Kulesevsky, there was

13:09

opportunities for Romero. Actually,

13:12

let's go on to Romero, because

13:14

I've never seen a more captain-like

13:16

performance from a player since,

13:19

this might be hyperbole, but since David

13:22

Beckham versus Greece. He

13:24

was involved in absolutely everything,

13:27

anything that might result

13:29

in a goal for Tottenham Hotspur against our

13:32

arch rivals. Anything, the

13:34

Romero from centre-back position, and

13:37

I want to know whether you

13:39

think there was any tactical element to

13:41

how forward-thinking Romero was during that game.

13:43

Everything that happened was Kules'

13:46

head, or it

13:48

was his invention, or it was

13:50

his will to get forward. That

13:54

was one, weirdly, despite losing the game,

13:56

one of his most complete performances on

13:58

this beat. Yeah,

14:00

it's just leadership through action, isn't

14:04

it? Like, at one point

14:06

I thought he was up front, you know, in

14:08

the second half. He was like, he was so far forward.

14:11

He did it in the first half. The guy next to me, yeah,

14:13

the guy next to me was like, why are you playing up front? He

14:15

played, and he said, maybe we need him up front. We need

14:17

him up front. And it's just, it's

14:19

just, it's

14:21

funny, right, because you can use Romero as an

14:23

example of how erratic,

14:27

like, football opinions are from one game to

14:29

the next and one month to the next,

14:32

because he wasn't that long ago where, for the second

14:34

time, probably since we signed Romero, there

14:37

was discussions around, oh, should we sell him?

14:39

He's a liability. He's

14:41

always going to get a red card. He's not,

14:43

you know, what's the point in having the top

14:45

bok draw centre back if he's hardly playing? And

14:47

that's what I mean. It's just

14:49

kind of, again, my favourite word.

14:51

It's that finality and everything that the

14:54

last thing that's happened is, is

14:58

basically a monument to

15:00

everything else that's going to happen in the future. It's not the

15:02

case. And, and Romero, you know,

15:04

no one's been really talking about him, I

15:06

guess, outside of Tottenham, because

15:09

he's not getting those red cards and he's not

15:11

involved in controversial incidences. He's been

15:13

consistently a rock at the back. And

15:15

unfortunately, as a unit, which I'm sure we're going to

15:17

come back to, like, the defence isn't

15:20

quite working the way it should work. But that's

15:22

probably because of other areas of the of

15:25

the team, too. But this

15:28

is what when we talk about leadership and

15:31

we talk about captain material and we talk

15:33

about someone that can take the game by

15:35

the scruff of the neck and not just

15:37

by screaming and shouting at players, but

15:41

by performing, A, with quality

15:43

and just sitting the benchmark of how

15:46

much tempo and how much urgency

15:50

and agency that you need to have

15:52

in your performance. That

15:54

sets that benchmark for everyone else to follow. And

15:56

I guess that's what post-apocalyptic movement in in post.

16:00

game when you said if you could kind of

16:02

tap into that and get some of the other

16:04

players to kind of calibrate themselves into playing the

16:06

same way. And I

16:08

know that's kind of just... What did you

16:10

say specifically because it was pretty impressive in

16:12

terms of boosting Romero up. It

16:15

was if all of the players could have the mentality of

16:17

Romero would be a different team. I

16:20

think that's what that was the gist

16:22

of it. And

16:24

again, it's just post-apocalyptic trying to find a positive

16:26

low like we are and try

16:28

to sort of focus on

16:30

something within that performance. Because

16:33

to go back to what Jon said,

16:35

I know when I say these things, people are probably

16:39

thinking here he goes again. It's just

16:41

like a cliche, like a learning curve,

16:43

a steep learning curve. But

16:45

that's exactly what it is, right?

16:47

Where Poster Kogloo is finding

16:50

out about the Premier League and the difference between

16:53

this league and all the other leagues that he's been

16:55

involved in, right? The Premier players, the

16:58

pace of the game, the rest of it. And as

17:00

a team, he's finding out about how

17:04

quickly they can perform to the

17:06

level that he needs them to perform at. But also, you

17:09

know, what happens when they can't? What's the reason behind

17:11

that? Is it because of how he's coaching or is

17:13

it because then just not good enough or not consistent

17:16

enough? So the whole thing

17:18

kind of blends together as

17:20

just what every football manager does.

17:22

Some football managers hit

17:24

the ground running and the results are

17:26

there and the performance level is

17:28

there and the rest of it. But

17:31

you know, with all this respect to Brentford, Brighton,

17:33

Bournemouth and other teams that have done quite well

17:35

at any given time,

17:37

we're not them, right? We have higher

17:39

aspirations, higher ambitions. And I think

17:41

for some reason, we're never able to kind of like meet

17:44

in the middle of it and just say, right, who are

17:46

we? What are we trying to be? Let's take a

17:48

bit of time. So I've

17:50

got my own houses here. My point

17:52

being is in games like this where we have

17:54

been beaten badly, even though we

17:58

probably didn't deserve to lose as well. bad as we

18:00

did, just in terms of the way we conceded the

18:02

three in the first half. You

18:04

have to look at some of the things, the

18:07

positives and negatives out of that, and

18:09

they need to be used as

18:11

a platform to progress

18:14

and correct

18:16

those errors. And Romero is the shining

18:18

light in terms of that's what

18:21

you want from every player, that's the kind of... I

18:23

thought first half, possession-wise,

18:26

the rest of it all looks good. Yeah. I

18:29

won't go into the weakness of the goals conceded, but I

18:31

thought there was something we could do. We need to do

18:33

that, we need to do that. But just Romero is... Okay.

18:36

Go, go, go. No, I was just

18:38

saying, his energy, it's just his energy flowing. It's

18:41

not like there's spitefulness to it, but there's

18:43

something extra to it. There's

18:46

just an extra... It's a drive to win. It's a

18:48

drive to win. Yeah, yeah, call it what you want.

18:51

I called it spirit in one of the WhatsApp groups,

18:53

and I was like, I was shut down by someone.

18:56

I won't name him. He won't be listening. No,

18:58

no, it's not spirit. I don't agree with that.

19:00

And I'm like, it's an

19:02

awful London derby. Our

19:05

rivals either are

19:07

taking the piss by not shifting out

19:09

first gear, or

19:11

just not playing well. I won't

19:13

play the right. They won't have been allowed to. Yeah.

19:16

Well, yeah, exactly. I think there was

19:18

just something missing from

19:21

the performance, but that's just my opinion. This

19:24

was Romero's tweet afterwards, and you

19:26

know that this is coming from him as

19:28

opposed to someone who understands

19:30

how to properly

19:32

write English. He said, head up and carry on.

19:36

This is what it's all about sometimes. I

19:38

am here more than ever with this team

19:40

at Spurs official with the White Love Heart.

19:42

We will work and finish this season in

19:45

the best way. Thank you for being

19:48

the best fans, always together. That

19:53

says something to me. It really does. I

19:55

just think he's on board. He knows what's going

19:57

on. And he was the sort of... stand-out

20:00

player yesterday. I would call himself, he

20:02

had an incredible game, not incredible, credible

20:04

is the one word, go too big

20:06

too early sometimes. He had a good

20:08

competent game, he retained

20:11

possession when in difficult

20:13

situations but Romero's performance.

20:16

Now I don't know if there was a

20:18

tactical element in terms of him being able

20:20

to get into forward positions constantly but

20:23

very rarely do you see a

20:25

goalkeeper make a mistake like he

20:27

did that Ray had

20:29

did and push it towards a

20:32

centre back to then finish in the bottom corner.

20:35

Very rarely. John,

20:38

what do you think of Arsenal's performance? It felt

20:40

like it was sensible, competent and composed, it felt

20:42

like they got to a position where they know

20:44

how to manage a game that perhaps

20:47

Spurs aren't at right now but

20:50

they may go on to win a title but that

20:52

didn't look like a title winning team to me. We

20:55

kept getting the ball back in the

20:58

first half, we kept putting them under

21:00

pressure, we hit the bar, Romero had

21:02

a great opportunity, hit the post-Rome, Romero

21:04

had a great opportunity, Son had a

21:06

great opportunity, we could have had three

21:08

goals in the first half as well. Yeah

21:11

look it's a funny one because

21:14

you know it's not nice to talk about them

21:16

in nicely at all and I really loathe to

21:18

do it but if I just take my Spurs

21:20

tinted glasses off for a minute, they

21:23

are a really good side, there is no doubt

21:25

in that and they've gone from being a good

21:27

side that was over emotional and a little bit

21:29

naive last year to a side that's grown up

21:31

a little bit this year and I actually slightly

21:33

disagree with you then, I think they do look

21:35

like a side that could win the league for

21:37

that exact reason which is they didn't play very

21:39

well but they actually got the

21:41

job done and got over the line and I said

21:44

you know in a couple of days leading up to the game that

21:47

I hoped that they were still going to have that over

21:50

emotional approach and that they would get too excited and

21:52

they would blow up and they would lose their heads

21:55

And they just didn't, They were calm up until the last

21:57

10 minutes when we were really giving it a go and

21:59

putting them on. The law pressure and like

22:01

a set on another day we equalize and

22:03

then it's like I've lost. The plot has

22:05

gone again. I didn't quite happen and I

22:07

think the reason is. In. Simple

22:10

terms, that's the little bit ahead of us

22:12

and sums of their cycle of their projects.

22:14

Finity wanna go back to? For.

22:16

Years and it's. Yeah. I do

22:18

want to go back to some. A lot

22:20

of heard various different parts of most of

22:22

the conversations. We've also spoken about examples of

22:24

like Flops, Liverpool and The First Season, That

22:27

and Guardiola and last but why thing. Also

22:29

that's a great example. They

22:31

were two occasions in the first

22:33

two seasons where. Everybody was

22:35

guide. he has to guy my Arsenal fans

22:38

neutrals and thought we were saying he's got

22:40

day because he was there is about it

22:42

right? Now. That

22:45

at that point. If they'd

22:47

have sacked him a one of in that that was the

22:49

correct decision. Now he's a time

22:51

to turn. Underscored is if you look at

22:53

a squad he had and they look at

22:55

the Scott the got now and it's hypothetical

22:58

he wants to play and the way the

23:00

actually playing or just like that the south

23:02

but actually of the culture around the club

23:04

he has molded and changed it to what

23:06

he wanted either period of time. versus.

23:09

Answers just come in with last Hurricane Irma

23:11

this is like program by just wanna make

23:13

this comparison for think is really important to

23:15

like set the agenda of why this is

23:18

always gonna be a tough game for us

23:20

and this I did are specimen last night

23:22

to two home games in a row against

23:24

Awesome Forever like a million years it's this

23:26

is really bad or not. But yeah contact

23:28

is is completely ignored in a lot of

23:30

these conversations on the context as you got

23:32

a manager his first season at the Saw

23:34

the rebuilt. But. As a manager for

23:36

five years in with with the team he wants

23:38

to spend a shit ton of money on get

23:41

an exact players they need to to move things

23:43

forward and so yeah for me I just I

23:45

think it's a case of life. Is.

23:48

just the two different moments in time and

23:50

that's why think it's important for us nonsense

23:52

like it's he carried away with with where

23:54

things are up and put into perspective so

23:56

the biggest criticism that's been put in front

23:58

of positive of louise inability to organise

24:01

a team that can defend

24:03

set pieces. It's

24:08

not unfair

24:11

to cast a dispersion

24:14

at Postal Cogloo that he sets his teams

24:16

up in a way that cannot

24:18

defend set pieces. We have

24:20

two goals against, no matter how well you play

24:23

in the possession

24:25

based football and how many chances you create.

24:27

If you're giving up chances, goals,

24:30

physical goals, from

24:32

corners to

24:34

near post, both sides like Hoy Bierin

24:37

have her to his goals. You

24:42

could see it coming, we knew it was an issue, we

24:44

went into the game, we lost

24:47

two goals to corners, which you know how rare it

24:49

used to be back in the day, 3% of the

24:51

corners would be scored. Now at Spurs

24:54

it feels like way way

24:56

more. Newcastle, when we played

24:58

them last week or two weeks ago,

25:02

they dominated the area in a

25:04

box. So whatever they're

25:06

doing, whatever they're doing on the

25:08

training pitch right now, whatever Postal

25:10

Cogloo insists is correct,

25:12

it's not working, it isn't working. So

25:14

there has

25:17

to be some criticism aimed at him.

25:19

He put out a quote saying, don't

25:21

have a problem with defending

25:23

set pieces despite

25:28

conceding two and there's a lot

25:30

more to fix than that. But

25:32

if you can't fix defending set

25:34

pieces, then 60-70% of the good

25:36

work you do becomes null and

25:40

void. If you can't defend

25:42

set pieces, maybe he sees it as

25:45

something that we can easily sort out,

25:48

but you

25:51

can't just dismiss it in a press conference

25:53

saying, yeah we haven't got a problem with

25:55

defending set pieces when it's clear it's evident

25:58

over the last two games and before. that,

26:00

you know months before that with the West

26:03

Man City game where

26:05

they scored from a corner and

26:07

and and Vicario was

26:09

put under massive amounts of pressure it's

26:11

gone from that from us but not be able to defeat

26:13

the defenders as a unit so

26:17

I don't know I don't want

26:19

my question here is speak but do you think

26:22

that we have an issue defending set pieces? Yeah

26:25

if you're gonna just go

26:27

by the eye test you

26:30

can see okay heart tests

26:32

every time we we conceded a

26:34

set piece or a corner I

26:37

kind of found myself thinking we're gonna

26:39

we're gonna concede here and

26:42

it isn't that that superstition thing where you

26:44

just say that and then we defend and

26:47

it just feels like we're very weak

26:49

and we're very soft it

26:52

doesn't seem to be the left with

26:54

Zonal marking we're definitely not protecting

26:56

Vicario who depending

26:59

on your perspective you could argue that he's

27:01

been targeted I mean okay that's fine that's

27:03

not a foul if you're taught if you

27:05

target a keeper but we know what happens

27:07

during set pieces corners everyone's grabbing out of

27:10

each other pulling shirts everyone's getting in each

27:12

other's way sometimes the ref will go over

27:14

until everyone to calm down the ref will

27:16

walk away everyone's doing it again and the

27:18

set piece gets stated but it's chaos control

27:22

that chaos create your own chaos like

27:25

protect your keeper you

27:27

know a minute he's looking weak but

27:30

you know he's looking weak because we're

27:32

getting done every single time. Yeah it's not Vicario

27:34

I don't think it's our inability. No no no

27:36

no I don't think it's Vicario

27:38

but just in terms of you mentioned

27:40

Vicario and the way that he's targeted

27:43

but yeah we're I think you guys

27:45

think was on the fighting clock were

27:49

you chatting about the fact that we've got Mickey

27:52

Van Der Ven who can't

27:54

head a ball and obviously Romero

27:57

is not tall. I

28:00

don't know. It wasn't us. I don't know what

28:02

I've been listening to. But my point being

28:12

is like, just to just write

28:14

off the fact that we don't have an issue

28:16

is I don't know if

28:19

that's like some kind of

28:21

psychological diversion

28:23

deflection. I don't know because it doesn't matter

28:25

what you say at the press conferences. We

28:29

put the worth on what he says right

28:31

and journalists are just looking for soundbites. What

28:34

matters is what happens on the training

28:36

pitch or 50 days on the training

28:38

pitch. And that's the performance we're giving

28:40

the first half where we have conceded three

28:44

cheap, easy goals

28:47

to concede. Yeah, yeah, it's

28:51

a trend. So there's definitely a problem. I

28:54

mean, I know people are banging on about

28:56

this Celtic comparison. And obviously,

28:59

I mentioned earlier, some people

29:01

think because he's stubborn. But

29:04

why you mentioned that speaking, you

29:06

can carry on. But why you

29:09

mentioned it says in February 2022,

29:11

an article was written about Angela

29:13

Possekogli's Celtic and their set piece

29:15

struggles lack of aggression, zonal barking

29:17

and heart not committing to a

29:19

six yard box. It

29:21

keeps happening. So it will be in

29:23

complete control of a game, pressing

29:26

well, dominating possession and limiting their

29:28

opponents to to half chances, then

29:30

their opponents win a corner or

29:32

free kick in Celtics half and

29:35

score and it's in then

29:37

in an instant, all of so his control

29:39

means not that was

29:41

reported by the athletic. Someone's

29:44

followed that up and said in the first

29:46

season they conceded 33%

29:49

from set pieces from corners and in the

29:51

second season it was 15%. Now

29:53

I don't know what that actually

29:55

means from Corinne. Oh, yeah, you know,

29:57

50. I don't know 15% sounds mental

30:00

but then it depends how many

30:03

they've conceded overall and I know

30:05

then people gonna start chucking things in I've

30:07

only the Scottish League mate it doesn't really

30:09

matter does it the Premier League is

30:11

a different well okay that's actually a fair comment

30:15

I can't believe the post economy is

30:17

at home now at his desk and

30:19

he's so stubborn that he's gonna refuse

30:22

and ignore the fact that we are he must

30:24

do I mean it doesn't again why

30:29

would he not I mean it just doesn't doesn't

30:32

make sense if you looking to he bangs

30:34

on about wanting to win the league or being competitive

30:37

enough to challenge for the title

30:39

that's the drive

30:41

that he has as a coach and as

30:44

a manager right to

30:46

do that you gotta get some of

30:48

these fundamentals sorted and fix and this is

30:50

like a basic fundamental but his process might

30:52

be that he's gonna work on a B&C

30:55

this season and then next

30:58

season it's that the finer details that get looked

31:00

at it's the finer details that they get worked

31:02

on now I'm really over I'm generalizing here and

31:04

I'm dumbing it down because you know

31:06

every manager has their way of trying

31:09

to work those those details out right and trying

31:11

to try trying to make

31:13

that identity be something

31:15

of substance so it's not this this

31:18

soft-centered attractive looking exciting

31:21

football team but ultimately a team that

31:23

doesn't win anything again you

31:25

can compare it to them locked down down

31:27

the road in the

31:29

swamp and you look at those first couple

31:32

of seasons and the fact that most

31:34

I mean not most a lot of

31:36

people wanted off tester out it's probably

31:38

the same it's probably comparable to the

31:41

same Spurs fans now that what

31:43

pasta coglio is people want change

31:45

immediately the people fans

31:49

just I don't ever been brainwashed and

31:51

conditioned to think that if it's not

31:53

working immediately something's wrong it can't be

31:55

fixed and I and again I

31:58

think it's a coping it's a defensive mechanism because

32:00

I think especially with

32:02

Spurs we've been here so many times that

32:05

we have to build a wall for this

32:07

shit right and we have to prepare ourselves

32:09

for whatever the project is to

32:11

fail because the odds are

32:13

stacked against us the likelihood

32:16

is based on history we're

32:18

not going to have success with post-apocalyptic we're never going

32:20

to have success that's just bullshit

32:22

as well like you you have

32:24

to commit to something and then see

32:26

it through and if the guy's not

32:28

fixing these fundamentals this time next season

32:31

then yeah then then then you have to look at

32:33

him and think fuck me he really

32:35

is stubborn that he's blind to this huge

32:39

issue in the center of our

32:41

defense it's just so

32:43

we've got a question here from joss says realistically

32:45

how wide is the gap between spurs and the

32:47

top two in citi and arstle and what realistic

32:50

moves would you boys make to close the clap

32:52

in the summer i

32:54

mean we've taught ad nauseam

32:57

about what players could come in to fix

33:00

things but john what's

33:02

your position on everything that spooks

33:04

just said but also how

33:06

far we are away from sitting in arstle in

33:08

terms of the top two yeah

33:11

so i think actually i was just writing down some

33:13

notes based on what spooks were saying but actually the

33:15

the notes i've got sort of tie into

33:17

the question there which is that if

33:20

you just identify a couple of things that are

33:22

like fairly obvious and improvable

33:24

so for example we spoke a few weeks ago

33:27

about going if we just scored one goal in

33:29

four games that would give us an x amount

33:31

of points would be nearly be top right so

33:33

something you can look at it's

33:35

the same with this set piece thing right if everyone

33:37

can see it i think we can all agree we

33:40

have an issue with it but

33:42

it's one of the most like fixable

33:44

things in football like it's something that's

33:46

very identifiable and and you can improve

33:49

we also can see with data and stats

33:51

that this has happened before to ang and

33:54

that he found a solution so i'm sure

33:56

if you looked at if we reduced our

33:58

set piece goals conceded by 15% what

34:01

that would mean for us and it would probably mean a

34:03

lot of points. So immediately

34:05

if you can just improve that in the

34:07

summer, that's an improvement without signing

34:10

a single player. So there

34:12

are things, and I agree with what Spook was

34:14

saying around, we do what all football fans

34:16

do and it is alright just to go, we'll just make it

34:18

better next week. Just literally train them.

34:20

We had two weeks, just getting better at set pieces.

34:23

But maybe he has 10 different things,

34:25

set pieces being one of them, that he

34:27

looks at and thinks I need all of these

34:29

10 things to be at 95% in order

34:31

to win the league. But the

34:34

first five are the most important. I need

34:36

an entire season of just relentlessly focusing

34:38

on that so that they get that. And

34:41

the following season I'll improve the other five because

34:43

they're less important but they're still crucial to the

34:45

overall picture. Now I don't know if this is the

34:47

case, I'm just throwing this out there. But

34:49

we don't know that, we're not party to it the

34:51

way that he works. So this idea that something

34:54

works or something doesn't work and

34:56

therefore that week in training he just goes right, that's it,

34:59

we've just got to focus on this now. I

35:01

don't think that that's likely to happen. And it's

35:03

the same in business or anything else. You have

35:05

a strategy, a broad strategy. You might make one

35:08

or two tweaks if you're really

35:10

seeing something that's a real issue. But most

35:12

of the time you create your strategy and

35:14

stick to it for a longer period of

35:16

time. And I think that's been evidenced by

35:18

managers who are successful. That they build a

35:21

foundation and they grow into

35:23

it. And so

35:25

yeah, I think we just have to look at some of

35:27

these smaller things that we're not doing well and some of

35:29

the other things that we are doing well that we could

35:31

do even better and double down

35:33

on it. And find players that will help us

35:35

to do that. Because just one last point, I

35:37

have again had a lot of people, our

35:39

very own Alex and Bristol on the five statements

35:42

were saying that he can't see that

35:44

just upgrading players will

35:47

improve us and that he is worried that the

35:49

system is a problem. I actually

35:51

completely disagree with that. And I think actually

35:53

if you look at the players that we

35:55

have in our midfield for example, if

35:58

you compare our midfield three to the... Other teams

36:00

above us, Arsenal City, they're just not as

36:02

good. I think that's a fair thing to

36:04

say, they're just not as good. I think if you put Rodri

36:07

and De Bruyne in Armid Field, we could win the league. So

36:11

I think it's almost as if you put Rice

36:13

and Odegard in our team, I think we'd win

36:15

the league. So I don't think it's a case

36:17

of going, you can't just upgrade the players.

36:19

Of course you can. If we had Bellingham

36:22

in our team, we would be a better team. If

36:24

we had the best players in the world, we

36:26

would win the league. We'd win the league.

36:28

Yeah. We need to improve

36:30

players is a fundamental part of it. I

36:33

do believe that. On that conversation

36:35

that we had

36:37

in the five statements, just literally 10 minutes

36:39

after the Arsenal game ended, we

36:42

were very emotional. But

36:45

I did think that we were... If

36:49

that was our mean,

36:53

our average performance, if we're 10%

36:55

better next season, then we'll

36:57

have a significantly better season. And

37:00

it seems, it sounds easy to say, it sounds

37:02

like almost reductive, just to go, yeah, if you're

37:04

10% better, then you have a 10% better season.

37:07

But we have in it our

37:10

ability to be better next year.

37:12

And just believe in

37:14

it. Just wait and see. Just,

37:17

like there was enough in that Arsenal game

37:20

to understand the fact that while

37:22

they are going for the league and they're

37:24

in this privileged position of, not privileged, because

37:26

they aren't it, they're in a

37:28

situation where they can game manage in the way that they might

37:30

not be able to at the start of the season as they

37:33

couldn't at the Emirates. But

37:35

we're at the start of this journey with

37:37

Bostogogli. And if you can get 10% more

37:39

from this team, then

37:42

that is a good thing. If you can get

37:44

20%, then we're total

37:46

challenges. And

37:49

that 20% might come from purchases. That

37:51

might buy in the right players. Improving

37:54

on our squad. Selling the players

37:56

are redundant. Finding a way to

37:59

find a player... called it that can do

38:01

what Posto Kogli wants him to do. But

38:04

the idea that you abandon,

38:07

and I'm gonna come onto a poll

38:09

that we placed on Patreon to

38:13

kind of debunk some of the

38:15

ANSI Posto Kogli ideas. But

38:18

if you can just give him what he wants

38:20

to see what might happen, that's where we're at.

38:22

Because I saw enough in the Arsenal game to say that we

38:25

can do that, we can. So

38:28

we put this poll out. I

38:30

originally thought about putting it out on Twitter, and I

38:32

thought, if

38:34

I do this, it's gonna

38:36

create mayhem, and I'm

38:39

gonna get pinged at every, my

38:41

phone's gonna be blowing up about

38:43

fucking people who are ANSI

38:45

Posto Kogli or Pro Posto Kogli, and why

38:47

have you put this fucking poll out? Anyway,

38:49

so I thought I'd do it from Patreon,

38:51

and the question was, are you

38:53

confident that Posto Kogli is the right man

38:56

for Tottenham? And

38:58

I said, like I said, I didn't wanna put

39:00

this on Twitter as it would cause a meltdown,

39:02

just curious to see what the sentiment was from

39:05

Tottenham fans. Appreciate yes and no. It's a very

39:07

binary thing to ask, but we need

39:09

to know where you are right now. Spook,

39:12

what do you think the results was? It was just

39:15

yes or no, his Posto Kogli was right. Where

39:17

was this post in Patreon, did you say? Yeah. I

39:23

would like to think above

39:26

70%. What

39:28

about you, John Boy? Yeah,

39:30

I'd still reckon that most people are there, so yeah, I'd

39:32

have gone between 70 and

39:35

80, let's say. 94% of

39:37

Pro Posto Kogli. That's

39:40

landslide. Wow. That's landslide,

39:42

okay. Well, I can say, no,

39:44

it's the people that would be critic-ordinate. There's been loads of comments

39:46

underneath as well, so a lot of people had a lot to

39:48

say, but I can't read them all out now, is

39:54

that the people that listen to the Fighting Gold podcast

39:56

and the messages that generally we send out probably are

39:58

just not the ones that are there. We are

40:01

generally pro club and pro manager,

40:04

even under Conte and Jose Munoz.

40:07

So it might be a little bit unbalanced

40:10

or unfair. But

40:14

I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. Even

40:17

despite we just got slapped by Newcastle

40:20

4-0 and we got beat by Arsenal.

40:24

I'm still in. I'm still in because if we

40:26

can get the right players, in this brand of

40:28

football, we might concede goals to

40:30

corners. We might do. We might

40:33

find a way of attacking next year

40:35

that destroys teams. And play

40:37

in a way that the very best

40:39

teams in Europe play. And

40:42

if Tottenham are at the forefront of that and they

40:44

could be under PASTA Coghliou, then why

40:46

not believe in that? And if it

40:48

isn't the case, if he fumbles

40:50

the ball, he's a bag lover

40:53

and he can't deliver what he's

40:55

promised. And in the mid part

40:57

of the first part of next

41:00

season, he isn't right. Then

41:02

decisions have to be made. But give him

41:05

a fucking chance to go. Can

41:07

I just say, and again, I'm kind of encouraged

41:09

by that. And I agree with you. I think

41:11

we probably have more people that are

41:14

pro, because

41:16

we're generally more positive and give people

41:18

more time anyway. That being said, to

41:20

the 6%, obviously you're entitled to your

41:22

own opinion. I'm not trying to change

41:24

anyone's mind. I guess the

41:26

logic part of me plays out, which is that

41:29

if you're not sure that it's Anj based

41:32

on what you've seen, the implication there is

41:34

that we're not winning games

41:36

that we should win. So

41:38

that means that in order for you to

41:40

be confident, he'd have to win more games.

41:43

So if he won more games, considering

41:46

how many games we've won, what you're

41:48

saying is, unless they win the league, then

41:51

you're not going to be sure that they're the manager.

41:53

And you're not saying, I Think

41:55

you should give them time because I'm not sure.

41:57

You're saying he should go, which actually means... You.

42:00

Think that unless they win the league or by

42:02

our top. That. That every managed

42:05

to be fought in the first season a high

42:07

because otherwise up, how can you judge it if

42:09

you know. If you're not

42:11

giving him time because that's the whole point is.

42:14

I can't see it but we're

42:17

face. Som. Going to give it

42:19

more time because I just don't know at this point

42:21

in some other or he will be good enough. But

42:23

that's not what's been said. It's like and I talk

42:25

about this, the six percent error on that site. I

42:27

don't believe in him. What

42:30

I don't really understand. What are the hug him

42:32

in there is is like you have. You have

42:34

to give him time to see whether or not

42:36

he's not good enough. Because otherwise you

42:39

are your standard is basically Winnebago. You're not

42:41

going to have. A another

42:43

understand that's because how and highly advanced ai

42:45

one season with first sight sorts of and

42:47

the this is this is why Caught It

42:49

ties into the out. Some.

42:53

People saying get rid of him now

42:55

say doesn't damage very very few Panel

42:57

very very vapor not yet a tight

43:00

against his. And and as

43:02

a lot to say that with confidence is

43:04

very few people. Are because

43:06

went out the game on on on Sunday

43:08

at the final whistle it was that was.

43:11

A healthy applause a the as at the

43:13

end of it. Like. Like we.

43:15

Are people who I think I'll wow ruddy private

43:17

toddler to try. Come back. Ah, It's

43:20

it's it's it's a equalize. But. It's.

43:22

It's more coffee from a place of what behind

43:24

you were with you. But. You

43:26

gave me a call. You fucked up in that. First off, Which.

43:30

Was not a which is moink sets of all

43:32

that regardless how you wanna look at. A

43:35

Uk back in a second off which is obviously the

43:38

story of off season. Something

43:40

the for the vast majority are

43:42

the apple into it. I

43:46

think it's just the nature of the modern game

43:48

in this kind of. Persistent

43:50

deadline on on on everything in a lot.

43:52

lights on said. When

43:54

the legal when something or to

43:56

do something by this standard immediately.

43:59

And. In. Pink. Spurs fans we

44:01

should know by now puts his second

44:03

twenty years with kind of got lucky

44:05

occasionally we really could say was right.

44:09

It. Doesn't is it is not something you

44:11

can plan out across the seas. He's got

44:13

four year contract. And.

44:16

As frustrated as he might be for some

44:18

people to to see the al. Gore.

44:21

Costs it earlier. We have to commit to

44:23

something properly just on. The think

44:25

I get a com for me comes back to

44:27

the fact that what we're doing right now isn't.

44:29

Doesn't feel like desperation. It.

44:32

Feels like a reset. Not. Rape

44:34

or he feels like with with with

44:36

looked everything that we do the infrastructure,

44:38

the player acquisitions or that admin stuff.

44:40

And then we've looked to the manager,

44:43

we've looked up of the earth Stoplight.

44:45

we gotta we won it. In assessing

44:47

times we got full backing. So good.

44:50

With. Says it's a loving awful because again.

44:53

But. The prices of.

44:56

What we've we've been told in

44:58

the things we've been conditioned to

45:00

believe. Ah, register success and failure

45:02

a so high. The We:

45:05

at this point some of us. A

45:07

struggling under that prices. Some people think it's

45:09

know have seen enough. He's not going to

45:11

be the one. As as far as

45:13

brave of you to call the how and you might be

45:15

right, you go. Fifty fifty chance. So.

45:18

Say the same Las Vegas his movements

45:20

to practically as you got a fifty

45:22

fifty shot. Easy. The good work or

45:24

not, But A you

45:26

you're going to win anything if you're right or wrong.

45:28

and neither am I bought. By. Some

45:30

context and based on what we're trying to tell. You.

45:33

Can't have how the whole point is Not

45:35

give an example sorry I'm begging on you

45:38

are so can someone. And. He'd

45:40

walk home you know, capable when we pay any

45:42

other back and with posse. When. We

45:44

know when not going to complete that pass.

45:47

I will get a giveaway a corner of probably

45:49

conceit. Boots. It boot down the other end

45:52

of the pitch and you know. I agree we

45:54

we should do that. We should know when

45:56

to build the both. Been

45:58

is something. law about

46:00

Foster Cogley grilling this into the

46:03

players, keep

46:05

doing it, keep playing this way because when

46:07

it will work it will become second nature

46:09

and we will never have to boot the

46:12

ball down the pitch at a desperation and

46:15

lose possession. I know that's probably better than losing

46:17

a goal and going one or

46:19

two down but my point is he's

46:21

committed to that whereas a lot of people

46:23

are not committed to that longevity of

46:25

that ideology. What they're committed to is we

46:28

lost against Arsenal, that's unacceptable, we should have

46:31

booted the ball away, we should have done

46:33

everything to draw, we should have done everything

46:35

in that moment and as

46:37

much as I agree with that I also understand

46:40

the principles that he's

46:42

trying to instill but he's saying this

46:44

is the way to do it you might not

46:46

see the results immediately it's gonna be tricky, it's

46:48

gonna be ugly, it's gonna be good as well

46:51

but a year or two from now we could

46:54

be exactly what we believe this football club

46:56

could be. It

46:59

might happen, it might not but it might

47:01

happen. You

47:04

need a lot of podcast episodes if it

47:06

doesn't happen. I

47:09

guess it's a case of again like to address the

47:11

6% I'm not trying to change

47:17

your mind I just love to just

47:20

be part of the dream it's just

47:22

much more fun and basically we need

47:25

aside know the outcome. Like

47:28

Spook said right you got 50-50 Jones. So

47:31

yeah it's like you could

47:33

say he's not gonna work or you could say

47:35

well I hope it does but either way we

47:37

don't know so it's like I always say

47:39

about like being pre annoyed or pre grieving

47:42

or like being pre frustrated we don't know

47:44

so like why be annoyed about it

47:46

now just back the man and then you know if we

47:48

then next season lose 10 in a row I'll be right

47:50

there with you but until then I'm not

47:53

gonna be annoyed because it might be good

47:55

and I'd rather look at it and think

47:57

that this is the start of something positive

47:59

Than a. Ready right a off before it began

48:01

so I'm would encourage the up on a

48:04

think. Generally speaking Twitter is up a bad

48:06

place for. Negativity and sensor

48:08

might voices and stuff So I think the

48:10

discord somewhere maybe even if people that down

48:12

by like ten percent my still a really

48:14

positive number. people are really engaged with voice

48:17

trying to day and I think generally speaking

48:19

you can feel that like speak said in

48:21

the stadium when they put in the performances

48:23

may try. People can see that and I

48:25

think that. As a fan base

48:27

I think we will give more to

48:29

the players if we just commit to

48:31

at the Scousers already going to that

48:33

by little porn The club when not

48:35

science. that club like Arsenal assigned psychopath

48:37

because they have this blind optimism is

48:39

blind faith and it gives them something

48:41

on the pitch. I will never be

48:43

like them but we should have all

48:45

version of that where we give this

48:47

light back into him and ready to

48:49

see where it takes us. Guess because

48:52

why not. Because. Why not? Was deals

48:54

on a have to be miserable on

48:56

them on Nobama a month for a

48:58

question from D J Jason T. spoke

49:00

with is there are a mess since

49:02

he about the of question about whether

49:04

or not with the poll whether or

49:06

not possibilities are a month. Autonomy says

49:08

even if you don't think he's the

49:10

right man for Tottenham what's the option.

49:12

Style. Over just because we didn't win the

49:14

league in first year. Think. I

49:17

saw him up with a gun. Total.

49:19

Let not Now They and. I'll

49:21

say so. Found the chase for on hold

49:23

as well. As he was I

49:25

thought i'm with. My. Own Oh

49:28

no no. A woman's diesel. Was.

49:31

Is difficult when minority say you have he

49:33

a woman t smile in your life. Or

49:36

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49:38

not sixty one without man from a bit

49:40

more about in a bit much malfunction. I'm

49:43

I'm tryin' in I bring lady said the

49:45

climax that way. Not going to be able

49:47

to. To. Chased by a thing

49:49

in his be everything else. A mess it

49:51

up exists right now, young adults. Now that

49:53

that it doesn't have that the female orgasm

49:55

doesn't exist even a word not was I'm

49:57

pretty comfortable with. So.

50:00

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50:03

a his sister stop pretending to come

50:05

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50:07

not limited a single woman. In

50:11

his entire season of about been a

50:13

bus comes climate sites stop attendance, the

50:15

stop taking me out the comp or

50:18

i say. Fun! If in jail for.

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