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Welcome to the film cast after dark where we talk

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about a variety of topics that didn't make it into

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the main show I'm David Chen here with the vendor

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harder and Jeff canada this episode brought to you courtesy

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of the fine folks at patreon.com Slash film podcast. Thank

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you top 10 edition

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top 10 edition Top

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10 thank yous Of

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course this episode is gonna go out to everyone, but

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it's gonna go out to patrons early And it

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is the other categories for our

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top 10 movies of 2023 So

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there's a bunch of stuff we didn't get

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to discuss. We got honorable mentions. We got

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most disappoint biggest disappointment Movies they

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didn't get movies. We didn't get Bunch

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of stuff to get into. Yep. Can I say,

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you know one thing? I forgot to mention at

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the end of the last episode, which is I'm

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sure What we're gonna get tons

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of emails about and I wish I'd deal with favorite

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movie 2024. I I

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if I had would have guessed

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what DaVinci's number one was and Also

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that it would be on everybody's list, but

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mine but didn't show up at all is

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the holdovers Holdovers was A

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while I was shocked. It didn't make DaVinci's

1:10

list and I Both

1:12

of your list. I thought it would make your list for

1:14

sure Jeff. Yeah, mine yeah, I

1:17

I liked a lot it's definitely one of my

1:19

honorable mentions, but I Am

1:21

shocked that it made none of our lists I had

1:23

to kill a lot of darlings for yeah, that's true

1:25

Yeah, but yeah, the holdovers is another

1:27

honestly that movie could win Best Picture Yeah, that's one

1:29

of those ones that like yeah has a lot I

1:32

think it will be a riot if the holdovers wins

1:34

Best Picture Like

1:37

what country will will fight? It's

1:45

30 people that saw it. Yeah Compared

1:47

to everybody this off, but I mean we

1:49

live in a post-coda world, you know, we're

1:52

like coda won Best Picture So like anything's

1:54

possible, but that's right. That was a bad

1:56

year. Okay, that was not a strong year. Yeah,

1:58

this is a strong year Let's

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start with honorable mentions. Let's

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just take turns. Okay, like yeah, I got so

2:05

many Let's go one

2:07

each and you can say a sentence or two if you want, but

2:09

yeah Jeff let's start

2:11

with you hit us with an all here I'm gonna

2:13

start with a weird one because this I think would

2:16

have made my list but for the

2:20

Conversation it would have brought up. I

2:22

did not want to engage in Wow.

2:24

This movie is only 34 minutes

2:27

long And

2:30

that is the wonderful story of Henry Sugar. Mmm.

2:33

I mean, I wouldn't have my word mind I wouldn't

2:35

do it. I think you know for a long time

2:37

it was on my list But I you know, I

2:39

I gave you such a hard

2:41

time for running time shenanigans and the definition

2:43

of movies Our films can't count. Come on.

2:45

I remember when I put like OJ Simpson

2:47

made in America It's

2:52

a Travis Shem Ockery so

2:55

any but I do Want to

2:57

mention it again? The problem

2:59

that I had just defining it as a

3:01

film is that it came out with other

3:03

short films that kind of made it feel

3:05

Like a TV series. Yeah, you know what

3:08

I mean? Yeah, so even though they were

3:10

bespoke Movies they were short and

3:12

there was a bunch of them that came out together

3:15

So I didn't do it, but I do want

3:17

to make a clarity from Netflix on all this.

3:19

I blame that yeah Yeah, but I absolutely enjoy

3:21

and you know Astro

3:23

City is also kind of there Asteroid

3:26

City didn't make any of our top tens.

3:28

That's another yeah, it's there It's definitely in

3:31

my you know, it was a good year

3:33

for Wes Anderson in my opinion Yeah, but

3:35

I would put the wonderful story of Henry

3:37

Sugar above asteroid city even though

3:39

both of them would be honorable mentions Yeah, yeah.

3:42

All right, Devendra honorable mention I

3:44

mean so many but when I was really sad to not

3:46

have on the list is the iron claw Which

3:49

I will talk about later as well to like I'm

3:51

I'm surprised you guys didn't dig it as much as

3:53

I did but I think this is a I

3:56

just keep thinking about this movie and like

3:58

the tragedy of it and it is It

4:00

is. It's such a well-told story. It is

4:02

such a moving story that I frickin' love

4:04

this movie. Alright.

4:08

Yeah. Great choice. I'll mention

4:11

Extraction 2. It's

4:13

on my own. It was like, yeah,

4:15

but I was like, I already have a John Wick on there

4:18

and also Godzilla, so it's like, you don't... I can't put that

4:20

on as well. Yeah. John

4:22

Wick took its spot. But

4:24

it's super fun movie. He's just like, tackling

4:27

with glee, watching Extraction 2. It's just a

4:29

delightful moment where he goes through the train

4:31

and just like, links up with the railgun.

4:33

There's a helicopter. I think I don't want

4:36

to watch that again. The fight on the

4:38

gym fight at the top of the tower

4:40

I really loved. Or the

4:42

fight that leads out into the courtyard

4:45

with like 300 dudes in

4:47

the courtyard and he's like completely, you know,

4:49

overwhelmed. I'm gonna go watch it after we finish recording this. Right?

4:52

That's what I just said. I don't want to watch it right

4:54

now. John Wick Chapter 4 is like two and

4:56

a half hours long and like three hours long.

4:58

Yeah. Two hours and 45 minutes. But anyway, this

5:01

is like, you know, Extraction 2 is

5:03

still a long movie, but it's like, it's

5:05

a lot of fun. It's not as

5:07

serious as John Wick Chapter 4. You

5:09

can pause that movie mid-punch and come back to it,

5:11

you know? Yeah. Alright. Jeff.

5:15

Another honorable mention. You

5:18

guys may doubt me, but I almost put

5:20

Wonka on my top 10. Same. This is

5:22

also a honorable mention for me. I

5:25

had so much fun with that movie, you know, enhanced

5:27

even more by the fact that I took my son

5:29

to see it. I saw it the first time sitting

5:31

next to him and he had candy in his lap

5:33

and his eyes were big as saucers and he was

5:35

just delighted by what we were watching. So

5:38

it was a special experience watching that movie, but the

5:40

movie, you know, this

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would make a real

5:45

contender for biggest surprise for me

5:47

if we had that category because

5:49

I had very low expectations going

5:51

into this movie and it's so

5:53

much fun. It's

5:55

such heart. It's so sweet

5:57

and magical. I

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loved Wonka. Also on my honorable

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mentions list, Jeff Kanata, Devindra, hit us up

6:03

with another honorable mention. Sure.

6:06

Polite Society. I love this movie when we

6:08

talked about it earlier this year. This is

6:10

Nita Menzur's movie about a teenage

6:12

girl who wants to be a stunt person. And

6:14

I think it's a lot of fun. I think the action is a lot

6:16

of fun. It's something I cannot wait to watch with my daughter at some

6:18

point. This movie was

6:20

– so like Polite Society, great choice for

6:23

honorable mention. I'm going to name another movie

6:25

on my honorable mention list. This movie was

6:27

on my top 10 until last night. Wow.

6:30

And then I removed it. It was on there for a while.

6:34

And I just couldn't – It knows what it

6:36

did. I just couldn't make it work in the

6:38

top 10, but the movie is

6:40

Blackberry. This

6:42

is our mutual friend, Danesh Syed. This is

6:44

the movie he urged me to watch, and

6:46

I watched Mad Life instead of it. Wait,

6:49

you still haven't seen Blackberry, Jeff? No. Oh, Jeff.

6:52

It's by far – there's all these –

6:55

Tetris movie and We Crashed and all this

6:57

stuff. It's by far the best one out

6:59

of all of those movies. Air,

7:02

you know, all these

7:04

corporate accomplishment movies. But

7:08

yeah, Blackberry is my favorite. It has

7:10

this unhinged performance by Dennis Howerton. And

7:14

it's also a kind of almost

7:16

Shakespearean tragedy, like what happens

7:18

with that company. And so I really

7:22

wanted to put it on my top 10. That's a good one. It's

7:24

a good one. Jeff Kanata hits up with another one. No

7:27

hard feelings. I

7:29

really – Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, I loved it. I

7:32

really wanted to put a pure comedy on my list. But

7:36

I couldn't – I mean, I guess

7:38

American fiction kind of fits-ish. There are

7:40

movies – certainly Dream Scenario is funny.

7:42

Poor Things is funny. There's

7:45

funny stuff in my list, but the

7:47

pure comedy of the year, I think, for

7:49

me, was no hard feelings. I had such

7:51

a great time with it. Super funny. Super

7:53

fun Jennifer Lawrence performance. Good stuff. David

7:56

D'Avengera? Another one? I Want to shout out Infinity

7:58

Pool, which is a movie That's – If we

8:00

mess me up anything really solidify his brain

8:02

and Krona burgers to be like man, you

8:05

are just really not. You have not fallen

8:07

far from your father ah like dinner to

8:09

the free to that tree and it is.

8:11

I think it's a deeply disturbing movie, but

8:13

also incredibly well made and well acted. and

8:16

dislikes. Sometimes you one exist in chaos and

8:18

madness and I think that movie very much

8:20

that I loved. The premise of that movie

8:22

summa like a first thirty to forty minutes

8:25

were incredible and then I just didn't feel

8:27

like deliver the ending. but. Love.

8:29

Possessor. I

8:31

am seized athletes hell to a great

8:33

choice for an honorable mention. Ah the

8:36

first slam Dunk. Now yeah the first

8:38

slam dunk. Just like really. one of

8:40

those movies that does something I've never

8:43

seen before which is deliver a basketball

8:45

team and entire basketball game in animated

8:47

for Vince like I'd never seen anything

8:50

like it. I believe is going to

8:52

be physical media release in February of

8:54

Twenty Twenty Four. So before to that.

8:57

But. That's not all them as just another. His.

8:59

Of another. One, the. Killer. The. Killer.

9:01

Ah, I'd allow this movie. In fact it

9:03

was on my top ten for a large

9:05

part of I thought for sure you'll be

9:07

on your top them on a It was

9:09

there for a long time. he got knocked

9:11

off. I was one of those. You

9:14

know it's like just one mile was. I really

9:16

want to put just when my head with a

9:18

killer would have been on their ah, it's so

9:20

much fun it's so cool is it you? our.

9:23

Head of offer the. Great.

9:25

Choice as it will like that movie as the

9:27

killer. Also a my honorable mentions the Bindra his

9:29

of have known as I also have a killer

9:32

a mind but I also point out when evil

9:34

lurks yeah thought about talk about maybe that will

9:36

mess you up and put man with a seat

9:38

of or despair or I think this is a

9:41

truly original horror movie I forget it is wild

9:43

like how far it goes in it's insanity and

9:45

I I cannot wait to watch it with my

9:47

wife but I also don't I get to choose

9:49

the right moment like see less Crazy Horse. that's

9:52

also like. Can

9:54

we afford to be messed up for

9:56

a little something other than we would

9:58

be? Yes. Ah, I almost. You

10:01

know I knew this one wouldn't be in the

10:03

top ten but in the movie have a lot

10:05

of section for it's the taste of things and

10:07

this movie. Is. Defender.

10:10

I strongly suspect I need to see it. I

10:12

know I need to see in my room, in

10:14

my litter box or view I said. I.

10:17

Wrote a letter box or view of perfect

10:19

days which was on your top ten and

10:22

I said this is this is the the

10:24

taste of things for twists. You

10:27

know, percent of it really said i I

10:29

don't want to watch. I never felt better.

10:31

A perfect for days is the the taste

10:33

of things. That's really the taste of toilets.

10:35

Or here I'm not. Really

10:38

good tidings you don't want to taste.

10:40

You could have called perfect days the

10:42

smell of things you know? Ah, but

10:45

I think the face of things is.

10:48

It's it's it's it's it's another movie where

10:50

you're just showing of people doing stuff. Like.

10:52

You're just young people cooking best of

10:55

like. A good half, the movie is

10:57

just showing people cooking our bosses, there's also

10:59

this putting that of love story in there

11:01

as well. It's. Great! I think this

11:03

one is really gonna. We're.

11:06

Gonna hear a lot about it when it comes out.

11:08

Peters is here. Yeah, I think it's gonna be like

11:10

one that you're hearing by the next few months I

11:13

can we to see them feel like I'm the sort

11:15

of person I what's the fun little like Doc the

11:17

Pond Yup, I mean that youtube videos justice to till

11:19

to yell out is it's soothing guy and I learned

11:21

something I as you know, a drinker idle idle text

11:23

of Inner Harbor are Harting different dry think you will

11:25

have his movies. Yeah, this is one of those times

11:27

when I'm like defender you're going to love and I

11:29

saw that Texan ignored. It's. A fact that,

11:32

ah, Reality T

11:34

V for Railways video the way or I

11:36

just another his of of the divorce will

11:38

the next to our or when evil lurks

11:40

and exception to so as a banana look

11:42

at I will say also teachers' lounge Teachers

11:45

last the as I am I audible might

11:47

as well. yeah it's great movie I like

11:49

the lot. really thrilling again something that hopefully

11:51

more people get the seeds when I'm ready

11:53

for. Yeah, The Ventura Any any other honorable

11:55

mentions I mean they're they're somewhat or want

11:58

to talk about like that. you guys. Mentioned

12:00

the but I do want to display I like

12:02

the holdovers was in my top ten for very

12:04

long Miami was it was something I was sad

12:06

to take off but I decided like I'm Elsa

12:09

to the bunch of movies I think people aren't

12:11

really going to seek out as much. Yeah the

12:13

holdovers. yeah by a major American deal in the

12:15

director I think people will end up seeing. The

12:17

whole differs easily accessible on I rule of that.

12:20

Movie. And I'm just like yeah, it's a

12:22

it's in my honorable mentions that. Obscure

12:24

throat a bunch. Okay got you regret?

12:26

Ah. right? May. December, You

12:28

already talked mom, you're at it. I got it. Would almost

12:30

be my top ten. There.

12:33

Were two documentaries I wanted to recommend

12:35

people. These are both available for streaming.

12:38

One. Is called the memory. Really

12:42

interesting documentary. It's

12:44

about a couple.

12:47

Were. The husband has dementia.

12:50

And he slowly developing dementia and and

12:52

you get to see. Up

12:55

close what it is like to live

12:57

with someone with dementia and is is

12:59

fascinating. You know I've always heard like.

13:02

About how difficult it is to take care of someone who

13:04

has to meet and at a but I never understood it.

13:07

I. Think on a core level until I watched this

13:09

movie. Up as also about how the

13:11

people love each other and like how you try to

13:13

what it means that you know in sickness and in

13:15

health like what does that actually mean at the end

13:17

of life. So

13:19

yeah, the Eternal Memory really thought

13:21

provoking movie. Similarly, Beyond Utopia another

13:23

documentary. This is a movie about

13:25

people trying to flee North Korea.

13:27

I need to see the Fia

13:30

document or about people trying to

13:32

flee North Korea and they got

13:34

some incredible footage of his family.

13:36

To. Sleep running into the mountains and like fleeing. and

13:39

it's just like. It's. Incredible that the

13:41

least the people that which you will go

13:43

to get a better life A better life

13:45

for the families fight You know? here's one

13:47

that I'm actually surprised didn't make it into

13:49

any of our top Ten's Nora. Honorable Mentions.

13:52

teenage mutant ninja turtles me miss forget is

13:54

very young movie yeah i thought we all

13:57

really enjoyed that area yeah i have i

13:59

have one honorable mention, but I don't

14:01

think either of you saw. Okay.

14:04

But it's certainly an honorable mention for me, a movie

14:06

I loved. I don't think it ever really threatened

14:08

to make the top 10, but certainly a movie I'd love

14:10

to bring up again. You hurt

14:12

my feelings. I did

14:14

see it. Oh, you did see it. Because I was perfect

14:18

for top 10. I remember Jeff's loving it. And I was like,

14:20

you know, that was the Julia Louis drive

14:22

this movie. It's really a movie about failure on

14:24

a number of levels. And I just thought it

14:26

was delightful. I really liked it a lot. Uh,

14:31

I enjoyed it. I think it

14:33

has some of

14:35

the most painful therapy

14:37

scenes I've ever seen because one of the characters

14:40

plays a therapist and he's just terrible at his

14:42

job. Well, that's the whole point is everybody's bad

14:44

at their jobs in this movie. It's painful. I

14:46

find it painful to watch bad

14:48

therapy personally. Like that's, that's like, you know,

14:50

some people don't like nails on a chalkboard.

14:53

I, it's for me, it's watching someone be

14:55

a bad therapist. That's like really painful to

14:57

me. So, uh, anyway, so

15:00

yeah, those are a bunch

15:02

of honorable mentions. I don't think Barbie and

15:04

Oppenheimer are on my honorable mentions. I was

15:06

going to say, I was going to say,

15:08

the killer for the flower moon is on

15:10

my honorable mentions. I had a lot of

15:12

affection for that movie. Ultimately, upon reflection, like

15:15

how that movie handles the Lily Gladstone

15:17

character and the ending of

15:20

the movie. I just, I,

15:22

it really kind of has soured on me, you know, in

15:24

recent days. And so that's why I didn't put it on

15:26

the top 10, but I still think it does a lot

15:28

of things really well and think it's worth watching. Talk

15:31

to me also, Jeff, like it's

15:33

a great choice for me. I honestly embarrassed.

15:35

I didn't put talk to me. You have

15:38

embarrassed me. Wow. Then my job here is

15:40

done. Yeah. So, uh, talk to me. Great,

15:42

great choice for your top 10, but yeah.

15:44

So it's like, wow, what a great year for movies. Good

15:46

year for movies. I can look 10 more for honorable mentions

15:49

to be honest. A lot of great movies. Uh,

15:51

check them all out. Uh, but yeah,

15:54

a lot of other topics though. We

15:56

have other categories. Absolutely. So Let's

15:58

talk, let's go from a pause. The

16:00

topic into something extremely

16:03

negative which is biggest

16:05

disappointments. Of twenty.

16:08

Twenty. Three biggest.

16:10

Has been an obvious from. The. Okay, This.

16:13

Is a movie that. In. My

16:15

Darkest Hour I said. I said

16:17

I'm going to survive the pandemic

16:19

just so I can see this

16:21

movie. Yes, And that movie was.

16:24

Mission. Impossible dead reckoning. Part One: Ah,

16:26

big it on and it's a fun movie.

16:29

I saw the disappointment yeah in a handful

16:31

of agriculture is that. we're pretty good but

16:33

otherwise able to leave horse come down from

16:36

Fallout which my whole my favorite action films

16:38

of all time. Ah I just think that

16:40

from a script prospective this movie was a

16:42

mess. Now they had a lot of logistical

16:45

challenges they had. I think we set up

16:47

production five times because the job a like

16:49

it was not an easy job. But.

16:52

The Ultimate Film. I thought this was

16:54

not. It wasn't terrible, wasn't

16:56

like add but he just know man do

16:58

what I was when the man who saw

17:00

Top Gun on hundred and sixteen times in

17:02

the theater i'm a five I understand why

17:04

this video yeah I saw Top Gun like

17:06

three times but in theaters but yeah because

17:09

I or. Or

17:11

I just cannot avoid your biggest disappointment

17:13

of twenty Twenty. Three with. Apologies

17:16

to defender. My biggest disappointment

17:18

is. Floor. And son.

17:21

Oh. I do like love

17:23

that movie I've only I thought about different

17:25

era has affected said it with that's I

17:27

also them affected by a number one where

17:30

it being a a kind of a mess

17:32

yeah this was. I

17:34

me we my wife and I put

17:36

it on the calendar Jack Long Island

17:38

or when this movie was coming. You

17:40

may remember my excitement up because I

17:42

thought this is a just move yeah

17:45

that I that when I was saying

17:47

like the Hive was real yeah I

17:49

mean it's so We love our once

17:51

and dumb. Dreadlocks stole

17:53

it. Would certainly the movie six

17:55

or said yes Extremists as like

17:58

those our. beloved in

18:00

this household. I mean, our kids know the

18:02

lyrics to Drive It Like You Stole It.

18:04

Oh, wow. I played the once song on

18:07

my guitar in our like it is. We

18:10

love those movies. My wife was

18:12

going to be like, it's the next one.

18:14

It's it's gonna be about a family.

18:17

It's gonna be perfect. Huge

18:19

disappointment for us. Yeah, my

18:22

wife didn't even finish it. She's like, Oh,

18:25

wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the

18:27

thing is like, the biggest

18:29

disappointment is not necessarily like bad movies, although in this

18:31

case, it might be according to you. But I

18:34

don't know if it's even that bad. It's not like

18:36

terrible. Your expectations are for the right. These

18:38

are bad. We we had a lot invested

18:40

in and didn't turn out well. That's the

18:43

brilliance of this category, I think. Yeah. Yeah.

18:45

All right. The finger harder. I'm really curious

18:48

about this one. Biggest disappointment. Listen,

18:50

2023. We are very simpatico

18:52

here because my biggest disappointment is

18:54

also Mission Impossible. Oh, wow. Because

18:57

again, I was so excited for it. I even

18:59

remember last year, like I was super excited for

19:01

this movie because McCrory could do or no wrong.

19:04

Like this guy has been on such a role

19:07

doing really cool things with Mission Impossible movies,

19:09

doing incredible action sequences with Tom Cruise. Like

19:11

what could go wrong? And it

19:14

turns out like the sort of like

19:16

jazz like style that they used to

19:18

produce these movies didn't quite work

19:21

against like all the trouble around COVID

19:23

and filming restrictions and everything. So it's

19:25

messy in that respect. In that respect,

19:27

I don't think it's a terrible movie,

19:29

but it's one that disappointed me. And

19:32

I'm sure people will ask like, what's

19:34

nice, super disappointing in Rebel Moon. Yeah.

19:36

I actually had no expectations. And

19:39

it completely happened. I'm glad you said that

19:41

because I was like, what about Rebel Moon,

19:43

Devendra? No. The word is

19:45

disappointment. What if I expected to be

19:47

disappointed? Yeah, I will say like minor

19:49

spoiler for a future category in this

19:52

podcast. But yeah, we are going

19:54

to do our favorite movie of 2024 or best movie 2024. And that

19:56

was your most anticipated Yeah,

20:00

best movie of 2023 Devinger was mission possible. Wasn't

20:02

it yours too? I think it was, yeah. Well,

20:05

we kind of split it into two categories,

20:07

like most anticipated and also best. Okay.

20:10

And my most anticipated was Dead Reckoning, and

20:12

then my best was Killers of

20:14

the Flower Moon, a movie that I really liked, but

20:17

didn't ultimately make it into that. Okay,

20:19

that was our biggest disappointment of 2023. Now,

20:22

we have ripped off these categories

20:24

from the beloved podcast, Film

20:27

Spawning SVU, RIP, hopefully they come back

20:29

soon. But

20:31

Matt Singer and Alison Wilmore did

20:33

these categories that I loved. Biggest

20:35

movie they didn't get, and

20:38

biggest movie we didn't get. Another

20:40

way you could think of it is most underrated movie,

20:42

most overrated movie. And when

20:45

you say they didn't get, it can literally

20:48

be any criteria. So box

20:50

office, my friends didn't like

20:52

it, critics didn't like it,

20:54

audience, whatever criteria. These two

20:56

knuckleheads. I have

20:58

a subcategory of they is the film cast.

21:00

100% subjective call here, okay? So

21:06

biggest movie they didn't get.

21:09

Jeff Kanata, let's start with you. Biggest

21:11

movie they didn't get. I have

21:13

two, and they're very

21:15

similar. One is

21:18

The Flash. Yeah, the other is

21:20

Marvel. Wow.

21:23

Okay, yeah. I think,

21:26

listen, I understand. Let's talk about

21:28

it. All of the surrounding garbage

21:30

around The Flash, I totally get

21:32

that. I'm not, you know,

21:34

you can make your mind up about all

21:36

of that stuff, and if that means you

21:38

can enjoy this movie, I totally respect

21:41

that. But as a movie,

21:43

it's really fun. I had a blast with

21:45

it. Michael Keaton,

21:48

it's just a, I thought it wildly

21:51

exceeded my expectations. I thought it was a

21:53

good time at the box office, and it

21:56

seems to be universally hated. It

21:59

made no money. Nobody wanted to see

22:01

it. Nobody liked, you know, like it's they

22:04

did not get it And then the

22:06

Marvel's is very similar to me and that like

22:08

I had a great time with this movie. It's

22:10

super fun It's light. It's it's it's it's

22:13

popcorn fair it's not gonna you know win any

22:15

Academy Awards, but I had a great time with

22:17

it and No one wanted

22:19

to go see that movie for some reason. So

22:23

Both of those are very similar category for me,

22:25

but I enjoyed both of them a lot.

22:27

Yeah. Yes, it was probably

22:32

One of my most Kind

22:34

of principal Skinner. No,

22:36

it's the children who are wrong I've

22:38

had this year was watching the flesh being

22:41

like wow. I I loved that

22:43

I like what yeah out of there being like

22:45

that was great I love the themes

22:47

of that movie to which are about like

22:49

accepting. Yeah loss, right? That's like what the

22:52

theme of that movie is the comedic Physical

22:54

comedy of it is very the fact that it's

22:56

like he's playing two characters and you know, or

22:59

they're playing two characters I should say and

23:04

And I was just like that was great that

23:06

delivered now This is like early on in the

23:08

year before like five superhero films that bombed. Yeah,

23:10

so I was like Oh like maybe

23:12

this one is gonna go the distance worth

23:15

performing like DC film, you know or second worst performing

23:17

DC film of the year or whatever like one of

23:19

the you know, It

23:21

it did really badly it was a huge bomb

23:23

because it cost so much money, right? It cost

23:25

over like 200 million dollars and Then

23:28

people didn't even know how bad it was gonna get right?

23:30

Like they didn't know he was gonna get to like the

23:32

Marvel's level later on that man I think

23:34

many of us including myself put it in our top

23:37

10 Summer wager movies

23:39

because we thought a Batman is gonna it's

23:41

gonna people gonna rush to the movie theaters

23:43

to see a Batman But

23:45

this Batman, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

23:48

Nope not to be not to be. All

23:50

right, um, Divin your hardware biggest

23:52

movie they didn't get in your opinion Well, you

23:54

know what the Marvel's was one of mine to

23:56

you Jeff. Like I do think like it was

23:58

a little reviews We're not as positive as

24:00

I expected, but also the audiences just like did not

24:02

really come for this thing, which I think is generally

24:04

great. So I do

24:07

think like it's probably gonna get more life on

24:09

Disney Plus or wherever, but that doesn't really mean

24:11

much for the box office. The

24:13

stain of failures on that movie and such a damn

24:15

shame. One thing I will say, biggest

24:18

movie they didn't get, they being the film cast.

24:22

I'm gonna put the iron claw right here, because I

24:24

do think it is far

24:27

better than you guys had described it.

24:29

I understand like the issues you've had

24:31

with it too, because like not everybody loves this movie, but I do think

24:33

it is such a

24:37

wonderfully told American tragedy. And I don't know,

24:39

those things kind of get to me because

24:41

there was just so much going on here

24:44

and the performances are so strong and the

24:46

themes are just so like so perfectly put

24:48

on. I don't know

24:50

if it's a good wrestling movie, but I do think it

24:53

is a good movie, a fantastic movie about the dangers

24:55

of success culture. I

25:00

feel like that movie is basically

25:02

Holt McConnelney playing a guy

25:05

who is like, reminds me of like

25:07

a Greek tragedy, of somebody who failed

25:09

to achieve something and

25:11

went on to sacrifice everything to including

25:14

his family to achieve an unattainable goal,

25:16

like just throwing his family to the

25:18

gods because he wanted to get something

25:20

and that part of it just felt

25:23

deeply moving. I

25:26

gotta admit, I have like

25:29

eight to nine movies here, movies

25:32

they didn't get. So here's what I'm gonna do.

25:34

I'm gonna read the whole children who were wrong

25:36

category. I'm gonna just read them all. Game the

25:38

one who in the preliminary email, make sure it's

25:40

only one category. Let's calm down a little bit.

25:42

Okay, so I'm gonna pick the one. I'm gonna

25:44

pick one is the ultimate one. Okay, so that's

25:46

the tough part is like picking only one. Okay,

25:55

but here are movies I think they didn't

25:58

get mostly from a terms of. People

26:00

paying attention to these movies, okay? How

26:04

to blow up a pipeline, Bo is afraid

26:06

those were in the top 10, the Kane

26:08

mutiny court-martial, William Friedkin's last film Wow, streaming

26:10

on Paramount Plus, the Covenant,

26:12

the guy Richie movie that performed really

26:14

poorly at the box office, Dungeons and

26:16

Dragons Yeah, maybe that like it did

26:18

okay. I think it made you know, it was $100,000.

26:20

It's a sequel. Yeah I'm

26:25

not sure if that's actually gonna happen. We'll see but yes,

26:27

I Okay,

26:29

let's remove that one. I'll strike that for the record. Bottoms

26:31

was a lot of fun. Didn't do very well at the

26:33

box office But here's the one that I'm

26:36

gonna wrap up with guys the

26:38

creator All

26:41

right Yeah, yeah, okay the

26:43

Gareth Evans movie or

26:45

no, sorry Gareth Edwards movie the

26:48

creator Again, the way

26:50

I describe it is if this movie had come out when

26:52

I was a kid When

26:54

we work I would argue when we were kids if this movie came

26:56

out Yeah, if it came out when we were kids, I'd be like,

26:58

how did they do any of this? This is a miracle Yes,

27:04

that is physically impossible Rain

27:09

is coming through the screen The

27:13

most beautiful one of

27:15

the most beautiful sci-fi films of the year and

27:19

yes, it really like

27:22

the plot is complete nonsense and It

27:25

under uses its sci-fi premise, but

27:28

there are so many cool moments so many cool shots

27:30

in this movie so many cool action scenes And

27:33

if you if it's a movie you don't Ask

27:37

a lot of other than like let's

27:39

have a fun sci-fi adventure I think you

27:41

will get what you want out of

27:43

it, you know, yeah I feel like this movie

27:45

could have been in my most biggest disappointment. Yeah.

27:48

Yeah. Yeah That's

27:50

why it has so much potential. Right?

27:52

Yep, right. I just think it's like

27:55

It reminded me of like when I was a

27:58

kid watching these kinds of like expansive Sci-fi

28:00

worlds where like not everything is followed

28:02

up with and not everything like pays

28:05

off But it's like this world is

28:07

so interesting looking anyway This

28:10

is a movie that I think was slept on both on

28:12

the film cast and at the box office And

28:15

it's a movie that I think is um Still

28:18

has a lot to recommend it. It's the creator.

28:20

It's my biggest movie. They didn't get alright Biggest

28:23

movie we didn't get so movie that you felt a

28:25

lot of people liked, but you didn't

28:27

get it the vindra hardware Let's start with

28:29

you. I got a big one got a big

28:31

movie and that is Oppenheimer.

28:34

I Do

28:37

like this movie But I did it is funny

28:39

reading reviews and reading the praise for it where

28:41

a lot of people are like this is this

28:44

is a masterpiece It's amazing work of cinema and

28:46

I'm like I I just

28:48

cannot connect with it on that level I feel

28:50

like it is really really disoriented I didn't like

28:53

the way it treated like basically the many of

28:55

the women in it like it is a movie

28:57

that is so long But didn't quite give me

28:59

what I was expecting from this story I understand

29:02

what's going for and why it's so focused on

29:04

Oppenheimer and everything But it just didn't

29:06

quite like connect with me as much as I expected and

29:08

I like Nolan movies like I think You

29:10

know I every time I watch it interstellar. I love that

29:12

thing more and more this one just felt Particularly

29:16

cold for me. I think it has a

29:18

lot of Nolan's strengths. Yeah, and

29:20

also all of his weaknesses. Yeah, you know

29:22

like which is Especially female

29:25

characters that are really poorly drawn. I think

29:27

the script is very disjointed I think it's

29:29

at very few points. So I feel like

29:31

someone actually acts like a human being I

29:34

love Nolan movies as well. I think

29:37

there's a lot Interesting in this movie

29:39

and I think it's really impressive that Nolan

29:41

was able to take this story Which is

29:43

an important one and make a movie that

29:45

generated almost a billion dollars. That's like undoubtedly

29:47

impressive But I'm inclined to agree

29:50

none of us put Oppenheimer in our top

29:52

ten So like I didn't I didn't actually

29:54

know you guys had such little

29:56

love for it I thought you know me I

29:58

talked about several names on the show Yeah, it's

30:00

a good movie. Yeah. Yeah fine. It's perfectly

30:02

fine perfectly fine. It's a perfectly chromium until

30:06

Jeff Kanata biggest movie we didn't get

30:08

there's a lot here guys Common

30:13

refrain in 2023 for me Burn

30:16

is in this category Zone of interest is

30:19

in this category But I think the

30:21

V movie that I put as the movie

30:23

I didn't get is May

30:26

December Yeah,

30:28

that's right. December a movie that I was

30:30

for sure Jeff would love yeah Yeah,

30:33

I just did not vibe with this

30:36

movie at all And I know I'm like a

30:38

total outlier here because people seem to love it

30:40

is on both of your lists I think I

30:43

was on my honorable mentions in all the top

30:45

ten. Yeah, so yeah made a samurai I Literally

30:49

said this phrase when

30:51

it over like I didn't get that. Yeah.

30:53

Yeah. Yeah, I understand Again

30:56

another thing I wrote down Jeff movie in mind.

30:58

I was waiting for you Yeah, we're just really

31:00

bad at knowing what movies other people like I

31:02

guess and of what each other We have to

31:05

find the next like a bucket of new horror

31:07

movie for Jeff because apparently now there's a horror

31:09

guy That's my thing now. I guess yeah, there

31:11

have been years on this podcast where I have

31:14

felt like there's been 18 movies I

31:16

didn't get But this is

31:18

not one of those years I gotta say it was

31:20

a real struggle for me to come up with anything like what I

31:22

mean what I mean by that is like There

31:25

is very few movies that everyone loved and I

31:27

just thought I don't see anything good about that

31:29

Like even killers the flower moon Oppenheimer Barbie. Those

31:31

are not movies that made my top ten But

31:33

I totally understand why what the

31:35

appeal is so for my movie We

31:38

didn't get I didn't get I chose an

31:40

extremely small movie that almost no one has

31:43

seen Wow And

31:46

that is I just gets

31:48

everything you guys yeah The

31:50

pulse of everybody I literally started by saying

31:52

there's been years when I haven't criticism

32:00

now let's kill this little movie that

32:02

really had no legs watch

32:05

it dead the movie we didn't

32:07

get for me is Eileen this is the

32:09

and Hathaway Thomas and Mackenzie really

32:13

interesting that he this I really want

32:15

it's really wild yeah really interesting that

32:17

Thomas and this is the

32:19

second movie that Thomas and Mackenzie has

32:21

been in in which

32:23

she portrays this kind of she's in

32:27

a period piece where she's this kind of put-upon

32:29

woman who falls in love with this much more

32:31

true attractive and

32:33

glamorous blonde woman true and

32:35

engages in this like kind of psychosexual romance

32:38

with her yeah also the second movie

32:40

where she masturbates with a pile of dirty snow weird

32:46

happening I don't know is it beginning of the movie

32:49

day does it happen

32:52

unless that happened yeah no no no yeah that

32:54

was a joke where I was like I

32:57

don't remember that but that was a funny joke I like could

32:59

have okay all right anyway Eileen some

33:02

people are like this is one of the best moments of the

33:04

year I saw I was like yeah this is wildly

33:07

inconsistent in tone in a way that I

33:09

found to be off-putting I think that's what

33:11

makes it great but you got to be

33:13

ready for that tone that tone yeah

33:16

I didn't there is a monologue at the end of that

33:18

movie yeah I think is like that I did not expect

33:20

this movie to go here yeah I'm really great terrible there's

33:22

some great acting in the movie no it's not like there's

33:24

nothing good about it but it's a movie where I'm like

33:27

I don't see how this could really

33:29

be on people's top 10 things really took

33:31

a turn in this movie yeah yeah yeah

33:33

it's as I said in our conversation about

33:35

it wow that escalated

33:37

quickly the movie so yes Jeff

33:39

please do you see it at some point I

33:42

really want with your wife yeah is it on

33:44

VOD right now not not yet it

33:46

was theaters a couple weeks ago yeah

33:49

anyway that's biggest movie we didn't get

33:51

okay let's bring

33:53

it back to a positive place favorite

33:56

piece of non-movie entertainment in

33:58

2023 I'll

34:00

go first. I'm

34:03

gonna bring up just

34:05

two things real quick, but like the first one is I

34:07

read a book that may

34:11

end up altering the course of my life. It's

34:14

called The Biggest Bluff. It's by

34:16

Maria Konikova. It's about this woman who's

34:19

a New Yorker writer who decided to

34:21

learn poker. She

34:26

went from literally knowing

34:28

zero poker to winning

34:30

250 grand at

34:33

a poker tournament within one

34:35

to two years. And you're like, I can do this?

34:37

Yeah, and it literally made me feel like, oh yeah,

34:39

this book. I can do this. And

34:42

so I really started studying poker and getting really into

34:44

it. And I think it's a beautiful book about what

34:46

poker has to teach us about life, so

34:48

I'd recommend it. But anyway, putting that aside,

34:50

I think the favorite piece of non-movie

34:53

entertainment, I would say, is that's kind of

34:55

a runner-up. My number one choice would

34:57

be Succession's Final Season. It

35:00

was an amazing season with

35:02

multiple incredibly memorable episodes. I

35:05

had so much fun talking about it with

35:07

you guys on Decoding TV and just seeing

35:10

all the writing about it, just being obsessed with it. It

35:12

was a great ending to one

35:14

of the great TV shows of our lives.

35:17

Agreed. Succession's Season 4 is

35:19

my favorite piece of non-movie entertainment. David Gerhard or your

35:21

favorite piece of non-movie entertainment? Sure.

35:24

My favorite is Alan

35:26

Wake 2. Yeah. I thought you

35:29

might put this in. Yeah. I really was. I love

35:31

this thing. Jeff, I hope you give it another chance

35:33

at some point. But it is

35:36

such a beautiful mixture of everything Remedy Entertainment has

35:38

done for so long. And I wrote about this

35:40

thing gadget too. I was like, I did take

35:42

a step back and be like, you know what?

35:45

I remember playing Max Payne 1 in college.

35:48

Dave and I, we were obsessing over that

35:50

game. Like, oh cool, you could do the

35:52

slow-mo. You could do two levels. And

35:54

I've tracked Remedy over the years. The

35:56

first Alan Wake, I think, was a lot of fun,

35:58

maybe limited a little technically. I freaking

36:01

hated Quantum Break. That was a huge mistake for

36:03

them. But I think they came

36:05

back with Control to build this world that

36:07

is wonderfully weird, that

36:10

is sort of like X-Files-ish and Twin

36:12

Peaks-ish, and that is just like a

36:14

good vibe for me. Like I love a vibe of

36:16

mystery and paranormal stuff and

36:18

like Control just like really, I

36:21

just really resonated with that. And Eln Wake 2

36:24

just kind of takes that a step further. It is, you

36:26

kind of build on the world of Control, but also does

36:29

cool Stephen King stuff and does cool Twin

36:31

Peaks stuff. And I just loved being in

36:33

that world where it could be both beautiful

36:36

and nightmarish at the same time. Kind

36:38

of an, I'll admit, like kind of an annoying

36:41

game to play at times just because of the

36:43

way things work. Like I think the bad guys are kind of

36:45

rough, the bosses can be tough at times. But as

36:47

a narrative, as an experience, I don't really have many time,

36:50

I don't have much time to like finish games

36:52

these days. And I like dedicated

36:54

myself to spend like 20 to 25 hours

36:56

to get that done. And I frickin love

36:58

that whole experience. That's Eln Wake

37:00

2, Devendra's favorite piece of non-movie

37:02

entertainment from 2023. Jeff Kanata, your

37:06

favorite piece of non-movie entertainment

37:08

2023. This was the hardest category for

37:10

me. Harder than my

37:12

top 10 list. Wow. This was, there's

37:14

been so much awesome stuff. And I didn't even,

37:17

I didn't even consider video games. I'm like, I have

37:19

a whole other podcast. What

37:21

about video games? Thinking about video games in this category.

37:23

I know it's a non-movie entertainment, but

37:26

like just in the stuff that we talk about,

37:28

just in the stuff that we have talked about

37:30

on the show, there are so many amazing things.

37:33

Not to mention, you know, you just brought up books.

37:35

I got into the Malazan book of the fallen series.

37:37

We're doing a book club. None of that came out

37:39

in 2023. But it's

37:41

new to me in 2023. It was a

37:43

massive, it's an incredible experience. We're in the fourth

37:45

book now. It changed my

37:47

life, changed my thought about what fantasy

37:50

writing could be. It's extraordinary. That

37:52

could be part of the discussion. But just in the

37:54

stuff that like we talk about on the show and

37:57

what we've been watching, I have a huge

37:59

list. the one I think I'm gonna

38:01

go with although I want to talk about all the others too is Scavengers

38:05

rain hmm. Yes.

38:07

Yes awesome Joe. I just started watching the whole

38:10

thing. I want nothing Yeah, we haven't talked

38:12

about it since you finished out. It is It

38:16

came out of nowhere. I did not know this

38:18

thing was even being made like it somebody emailed

38:20

I think or Watch

38:23

this no, I tuned it completely

38:25

took me by surprise bold me

38:28

over It's such a incredibly

38:31

unique vision of alien

38:33

the Ness You

38:36

know I think I said when I brought it up on the show is that You

38:38

kind of you see a lot of genre stuff and

38:40

you feel like you've seen it all You know, there's

38:42

variations on a theme and you kind of see alien,

38:45

but this movie's like own other show is like, oh

38:47

my gosh No, look

38:49

at all the different weird things we can

38:51

think up and how they could be all

38:53

interrelated and then embed this really compelling Conflict

38:57

and survival story amidst it

38:59

that is moving and powerful

39:02

Scavengers rain gobs smacked me and I

39:04

loved it. You know, it's beautiful. Yeah,

39:07

I'm not trying to start a fight but

39:10

this movie Show this

39:12

show made me feel like It

39:16

out Pandora'd avatar like there's absolutely

39:18

there's this each There's a

39:20

speech that chrono porch gives at the beginning of

39:22

avatar where he says out

39:24

there beyond that fence Every living thing that crawls

39:26

flies or squats in the mud wants to kill

39:29

you and eat your eyes for jujubees Yeah,

39:32

and quote and it's basically Pandora

39:34

is a threatening Terrible place

39:37

it will destroy you that's you

39:39

know, and I found honestly that vision of

39:41

Pandora to not be very convincing Like Pandora

39:43

is a lot of great things, but it's

39:45

not accurate Quarches because it's correct

39:47

beautiful and fun and we could swim with

39:49

the fishies Yeah, there's some like rhinoceros thingies,

39:51

but like whatever like Puma

39:53

looking things but animals are very much similar to

39:56

what we see on our exact. They're like variations

39:58

of ever just rain I

40:00

can kill you all the time. Everything you talk

40:02

to can kill you, right? This kill thing will

40:04

control your mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like

40:07

you will die in the most painful way of life. Yeah.

40:10

And so that's what I love about it. But yeah,

40:12

I love this as well. It's a great show. I

40:14

kind of watched the whole thing in like one week.

40:16

I had a great time with it. I'm like halfway

40:18

through it right now. I just want to say like

40:20

I've read interviews with the creators and they're like, they

40:22

don't really watch much sci-fi. They're not

40:24

into sci-fi. They're into like nature shows.

40:26

Things showing you how animals. Yeah,

40:29

yeah, yeah. You can tell. That's the

40:31

show. Yeah. All right. Don't

40:33

go into... Sorry, go ahead. I was going to say,

40:36

and we didn't even talk about the quality of the

40:38

animation, which is phenomenal. Yeah. Animated show.

40:41

Yeah. Don't go in depth into all of

40:43

them, but have a lit. Hit them off. The

40:45

ones that most competed for

40:47

this with scavengers reign for me

40:49

was Righteous Gemstones. Mm-hmm. I

40:52

discovered the show this year and that I

40:54

had never watched it before. So it kind

40:56

of felt unfair that we watched all three

40:58

seasons in 2023. So I had a big

41:00

imprint on my life. My wife

41:02

and I like quote the show

41:04

back to each other all the time. For Christmas, I

41:06

bought her Baby Billies

41:09

Baba Banca's mug. That's the

41:11

only thing she wants. Ask her. She's like,

41:13

all I want is a Righteous Gemstone mug. And

41:15

I said, well, I'm getting you Baby Billies Baba Banca's.

41:18

Anyway, it's a delightful show.

41:22

Hilarious, vicious,

41:24

fun. I love Righteous Gemstones. Okay. I'll

41:27

just list off the rest of the ones that competed

41:29

for the list. The Bear. Yeah.

41:33

Yeah. Very good. Very good.

41:36

A Berry. Yep. Oh,

41:38

wow. The final season of Berry. Yeah,

41:40

that Berry. Yeah, that was good. Unbelievable.

41:43

The Curse, which I think we should talk about at

41:45

some point on the show, because I don't think we really have. Crazy,

41:49

amazing. Paul G. Goldman,

41:53

which bended my mind in 2023.

41:56

Poker Face, I think

41:58

had a couple of episodes that I could have done. gone without them,

42:00

but most of them were stellar. Uh,

42:02

telemarketers. It's another show

42:05

that just completely changed

42:07

my view of the world in a lot

42:09

of ways, jury duty.

42:12

Oh, wow. Jury duty. Yeah. Great. That was

42:14

great. So those are my, you know,

42:16

uh, jury duty, of course, like also

42:18

changed my view of what reality TV could be and what

42:20

it could do. So

42:24

many non-movie entertainment

42:26

things. And like I said, I mean,

42:29

touch video games in this category, but

42:31

like, what a great year for like

42:33

extraordinary television. Yeah. Yeah, indeed. All right.

42:36

Okay. Final category. Let's

42:40

start with this favorite movie of 2024. So,

42:43

or, or, or, or best movie of 2020. The

42:45

question is one year from today,

42:48

when we're doing our top 10 episode, what

42:51

movie is going to be your number one movie

42:53

of 2024? Right now.

42:56

Which my position is it's, it's

42:58

impossible to know. Yeah, absolutely. And, and, and

43:00

as Jeff points out frequently, and

43:02

I agree the movies that

43:05

are going to be our top movies, we often don't

43:07

know what they will, like we don't even have a

43:09

clear sense of the calendar. We don't have a whiff

43:11

of them yet. Yes. Yeah. I think if you went

43:13

back over the years and saw my number one movie

43:15

over the years, at this point in time, the previous

43:18

year, I didn't know they existed. Exactly. Like everything everywhere,

43:20

all at once. That's not a movie that like, you

43:22

know, we all, I don't think that was on any

43:24

of our like most intensity, but it came out of

43:26

nowhere. It was our number one. So, so, um, we

43:28

are the caveat is

43:31

we are always wrong about that.

43:33

Okay. But we're going to try

43:35

anyway and predict what our number one movie of

43:37

2024 is going to be. Uh,

43:40

I'll start. I

43:43

think we're all have the same one. Probably. Furiosa,

43:46

a Madneck saga. Yes. Okay.

43:48

We're, I have

43:50

one, I have one I can pitch to you guys, but yeah, I have

43:52

a, I have a, I have a B because I knew you guys were

43:54

all going to say that one, but I think that's the safest bet. Okay.

43:57

Take it. Take it. Like

43:59

doing. Two was really high

44:01

on the list. Like you two not that original.

44:03

Okay Could have been you know,

44:06

it's very much in condition one desert action

44:08

movie or another one, you know, indeed indeed

44:10

Yeah, but okay Furiosa Mad Max saga George

44:12

Miller directed you're right. Yeah, it has a

44:14

really good chance of being in our top

44:16

ten All right The

44:18

finger hardware sounds like you have a different choice. I

44:20

have a pitch Well, you kind of ruined

44:22

it by listening for your first, but I

44:24

do have a pitch. What about a movie? Cassandra

44:27

Webb is a New York City paramedic who starts to show

44:29

signs of clairvoyance I'm

44:31

talking about Madame Webb directed

44:34

by SJ Clarkson This

44:36

movie has a very good in your

44:38

top as Dakota Johnson It

44:40

has Sidney Sweeney Adam Scott

44:43

never in its very bad cheesy movie

44:45

Batman Yeah, I think we're

44:47

gonna be talking about this movie throughout 2024. That's

44:50

my bet bold. It's a man way Is

44:53

it Madame Webb? I

44:56

mean it has one of the great

44:59

are the worst trailers I've ever seen in my life It

45:03

has one of the greatest lines

45:05

of dialogue that has ever been

45:07

written in the history of movies. Yes Ethan

45:10

he was in the Amazon with my mom when she

45:12

was researching spiders right before she died Which

45:15

is I I propose we may

45:17

even need a new category of like Biggest

45:20

movie that doesn't exist in 2024. I think

45:22

it's Madame with I think it's madam with

45:25

okay, but the finger What is your actual?

45:29

But I did want to do a whole idea I

45:31

wanted to do a whole madam web bit and you

45:33

ruined it Yeah,

45:36

all right. This is Jeff is

45:38

uh, you know, so Fresh

45:42

in yeah, you can know what we're

45:44

all gonna pick for this category Jeff. What

45:47

was your B choice? What was your B choice?

45:49

So just be clear if you're gonna play the

45:52

clip next year. My choice is Furiosa, but But

45:57

I think that has the best chance of actually making my top ten

45:59

but off the record But off the record, the

46:02

one that I'm most hopeful, hopeful

46:06

is phenomenal and I love and will

46:08

make my top 10 is

46:10

Beetlejuice 2. Oh, wow. Oh,

46:13

all right. I wanted to be one swing.

46:15

I love Beetlejuice. I mean, I love Beetlejuice

46:17

2. I want it to be great. I

46:20

think the odds are not in its favor that it

46:22

will be on my top 10, but I want it

46:24

to be so worthy of

46:27

bringing all those people back and

46:29

doing it again. The

46:31

other one that I listed that I actually

46:34

think could be like secretly amazing and

46:36

phenomenal is Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes.

46:40

Those movies are always, I think, they're always very good. Every

46:42

single one is solid. Do

46:46

you recall what you said last year? I

46:48

can tell you what you said last year for your,

46:50

you gave kind of a most anticipated and also separately

46:53

a best movie of 2023. Your

46:55

most anticipated was Super Mario Brothers because you were

46:57

excited to see it with your son, which

47:00

I think is a thing that did happen and you did have a good

47:02

experience. And it was wonderful. He has a poster up in his room as

47:04

we speak. Jeff Kanata's most

47:07

anticipated or sorry, best film of

47:09

2023, a movie that has not

47:11

been mentioned a

47:15

single time on

47:17

this podcast, this episode where we've talked about

47:19

a hundred movies. Until we talked about like

47:22

50, 80 movies. We

47:24

haven't mentioned this movie a single time is

47:27

Indiana Jones Vidal. Oh, yeah. I

47:30

forgot about that. That hurts my heart though. Yeah. Yeah.

47:33

I forgot that movie came out this year. Can

47:37

you guys remind me how you felt about that movie?

47:39

I thought it was like, okay, I did not hate

47:41

it. I actually like where it went. I

47:44

thought the ending was really cool. Agreed.

47:46

Yeah. Yeah. I just, it

47:48

just, you know, it felt kind of flat leading

47:50

up to that. None

47:52

of the action sequences really

47:55

were great until, you know, I thought the

47:57

end really pulled it out of being abysmal

47:59

into. being pretty fun.

48:02

And but man, it, you know, I thought

48:04

I thought most of the movie also looked

48:06

terrible. That was like one of my problems.

48:08

It looked like it was shot on the

48:10

volume or on the green screen. And honestly,

48:12

convincing way. Yeah. I think Beatrice too could

48:14

be the Indiana Jones. Absolutely.

48:17

Tim Burton. When I says

48:19

Tim Burton, like, again, made

48:22

a great of hope. Yeah. I

48:24

hope I love Indiana Jones again. What

48:26

happened the last time Michael Keaton played

48:28

a beloved character that he wants to?

48:30

I liked The Flash. Yeah. But nobody

48:33

else. Yeah. Yeah. All right. All right.

48:35

So we've all, we've all made clear

48:37

that favorite movie of 2024 is going to be Furiosa. Madam

48:41

Web. Now, and

48:43

Jeff Kannan has listed a couple of other options.

48:45

Okay. So, but now let

48:48

us talk about some other movies from 2024 that we are excited

48:52

about. Okay. So I want to list

48:54

a few of these. I

48:57

mean, I think Deadpool three is probably going to be

48:59

profoundly irritating and I'm also going to secretly enjoy parts

49:01

of it. I mean, give me, give me my Wolverine.

49:03

All I want is Wolverine, please. Yeah. Seeing

49:06

Hugh Jackman back as Wolverine, that could either be fun or

49:08

it could be like, Oh, he should have stopped

49:10

doing it after Logan. Right. There's no way it's

49:13

not going to be fun. It's going to be so fun. Right.

49:16

I think way we're not going to enjoy that movie. Jeff

49:18

Kannan is a bit, I know you're like kind of like

49:20

in Ryan Reynolds. You're Ryan Reynolds. I'm

49:23

genuinely excited for fall guy. I'm

49:29

genuinely excited for that movie. Like, that

49:31

actually looks pretty good. I really like,

49:34

yeah. Wait, why are you

49:36

saying? Ryan, Ryan Gosling. That's Ryan Gosling.

49:38

Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. You're thinking of

49:40

the other one guy. I thought

49:43

it was Ryan Reynolds in that role. No, no, no.

49:45

It's Ryan Gosling. But it got me

49:47

a chance to say how excited I am

49:49

for fall guy, which, yeah, I'm old enough

49:51

to have actually watched that till television series

49:53

as it was coming out and, uh,

49:56

it was fun. Yeah. Fall

49:58

guy coming from David Leach. Like. I'm

50:00

intrigued. Yeah, I agree. David Lich, did he

50:02

do Bullet Train, a movie that I also

50:04

really enjoyed? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So I think

50:07

we all like that. I'm still waiting for

50:09

the Atomic Blonde like follow-up that I hope

50:11

it happens. You've already mentioned

50:13

King of the Planet of the Apes. I'm interested in, you

50:15

know, I'm gonna say so

50:18

Ballerina, which is from the world

50:20

of John Wick, is coming out this year now. I

50:23

thought the Continental was ultimately not very

50:25

good on Peacock and hopefully Ballerina will

50:27

be better. It's directed by Len Wiseman.

50:30

I just watched... Oh, Dave.

50:32

What are you doing? I

50:34

just watched Die Hard

50:37

4.0, aka Liv Reer,

50:39

Die Hard. And some of

50:41

the action scenes to that movie are pretty enjoyable in

50:43

that picture. Sure. So anyway,

50:45

Len Wiseman, Ana de Armas is in

50:47

it, I think, apparently, maybe? Yeah. It's

50:50

opening in June. I think probably the

50:52

Ballerina. It could be a fun time.

50:55

Allegedly, there is a Bad Boys

50:57

4 coming out. I

51:00

haven't heard a single thing about it, so I don't know

51:02

that it's actually gonna come out. A

51:04

Quiet Place Day 1, anyone looking forward to that?

51:06

No. It must come out in... There's nothing like

51:09

four years ago. There was a

51:11

Quiet Place 2, and we totally forgot about it.

51:13

Yeah. This may

51:15

be in my most anticipated... Not moving on

51:17

to a separate topic. The following movie I'm

51:19

about to say may be

51:22

in my most anticipated films of 2024.

51:25

It is a movie called Twisters. Yeah.

51:28

Did they call it Twister? Okay, guys.

51:30

Okay. Jeff Kanata. Jeff Kanata. Who

51:33

do you think they

51:35

got to direct Twisters? Yann

51:38

de Bont? Yann de Bont.

51:40

Would you believe it's Lee

51:42

Isaac Chung, the guy who

51:44

made Minari? Yes. Yes. A

51:46

tornado of a drama, that

51:48

movie. He is directing Twisters,

51:50

which theoretically, question mark, is

51:52

a sequel to the classic

51:55

Bill Paxton Helen Hunt drama about

51:58

tornadoes. Stars will have power. Okay.

52:02

That movie, by the way, is bad.

52:05

I'm sorry. It was

52:07

never a good movie. Yes. Yeah. You

52:10

know, that was like a showcase for special effects in

52:12

the 90s. We all sort of decided that it was

52:14

good. It's not good. No, it's good, Jeff. It's

52:17

good. This happens to a lot of 90s

52:19

movies. It's like, you go back to Independence

52:21

Day, maybe, and it's like really looking at

52:23

it. Yes. Yeah. Hop of the line at

52:25

the time, special visual effects. Yeah. Philip freaking

52:27

Seymour Hoffman, Helen Hunt wearing a tank top,

52:30

flying cow, flying cow. I was legitimately in

52:32

love with Helen Hunt. Yeah. I'm mad about

52:34

you. And was very excited about her becoming

52:36

a big movie star. I

52:38

couldn't even bring myself to enjoy this movie. Well,

52:42

you know, I think this means we have to review

52:44

Twister now. Jeff is wrong and that's okay. You know,

52:47

we all are wrong about things. Everything happens

52:49

once, I guess. Joker,

52:51

Foliadio, the new Joker. No, thank

52:53

you. Guys, it's going to

52:55

be a musical with Lady Gaga. Come on. Come

52:57

on, guys. It's going to be weird. And

53:00

I think I'm going to be

53:02

curious about it, but I don't anticipate liking

53:04

it. The question is, can it make a

53:06

billion dollars like the first Joker did? Right.

53:08

It can. In a just world, I hope

53:11

not. Barry

53:13

Jenkins, the director of the

53:15

Best Picture Academy Award-winning film,

53:17

Moonlight, is directing a

53:19

film called Mufasa, The Lion King. Get

53:22

that money, Barry Jenkins. Get that money. Which

53:25

is a prequel that will explore the backstory

53:27

of Simba's father, Mufasa. And

53:31

I have no idea what anything is going to

53:33

be like. I don't know, but it's Barry Jenkins and

53:35

anything he touches is gold. All

53:38

right, here's a question, Jeff Kanata. Are you looking

53:40

forward to the new Beverly Hills Cop

53:43

film, Axle F, which is theoretically coming

53:45

out in summer of 2024? There's

53:47

a trailer for that. Kind of. It exists. I

53:50

kind of am. Yeah. You

53:52

called me a Ryan

53:55

Reynolds Stan. Before that, I

53:57

am a Eddie Murphy Stan. almost

54:00

talked my wife into watching that terrible,

54:04

inevitably terrible new Eddie Murphy family

54:06

holiday movie that came out on

54:08

Netflix like a month ago. I

54:11

was like, let's watch it. She's like, what? Who

54:14

are you? And I was like, but Eddie Murphy. I

54:16

love Eddie Murphy. Love Eddie Murphy. Yeah.

54:20

Well, I'm glad you're looking forward to that one. Glad you're looking forward

54:23

to that one. I'm also, well,

54:25

go ahead. No, you go, you go, please. I'm

54:29

also, fool me once, shame

54:32

on you. Fool me several times over and over

54:34

and over again. Shame on me, but shame on

54:36

me for actually holding out a little hope for

54:39

the Ghostbusters movie. Yeah,

54:41

I think that it's such a bizarre experience,

54:43

right? There

54:49

is a new Ghostbusters movie coming out in 2024

54:52

called Ghostbusters Frozen Empire. It

54:54

seems to have the tone of the last

54:58

Ghostbusters movie by Jason Remen,

55:00

which created the Ghostbusters,

55:02

like it was this hallowed holy

55:05

thing, right? I mean, it is,

55:07

it should be, but this is set in

55:09

New York. But that's a plus. This is

55:11

like working, like the original Ghostbusters was like,

55:13

you know, like it was a, basically

55:16

a comedy about exterminator, working classic exterminators, right?

55:18

That was what's funny about it. And

55:22

what's like

55:24

a good analogy? It'd be like if like Revenge of

55:26

the Nerds or like, you know, you

55:31

know, like any of those 80s

55:33

movies where you're like, imagine

55:35

if it's like, oh, the glasses that

55:38

he wore, oh, such amazing glasses, you

55:40

know, like it would be like turning

55:42

Animal House into like a prestige cable

55:45

drive. Yes, exactly. That's such a discordant

55:47

tone, you know, like, anyway,

55:50

I'm not looking particularly forward to it. But Carrie Coons

55:52

in it again. Mm hmm. And Paul

55:54

Rudd. And Paul Rudd. I love

55:56

Carrie Coons. Listen, it's back in New York where the Ghostbusters should

55:58

be, so. Okay,

56:02

this is a movie that actually almost made

56:04

it into my top, like

56:07

best movie of 2024, which

56:09

is Bong Joon-ho's newest film, Mickey

56:11

17, which is coming out in March. Yes.

56:15

This is his follow-up to Parasite. It

56:17

stars Robert Pattinson, Naomi Ackie, Tony

56:20

Collett, Mark Ruffalo, and Steven Yeun.

56:23

That's a good cast. Yeah. I

56:25

mean, it looks like it could be pretty

56:27

amazing, I have to say. It's a weird title, but

56:29

yeah. Yeah, I agree.

56:33

Is everybody aware that Doug

56:35

Lyman is remaking Roadhouse? Yes.

56:38

You're aware. With Jake Gyllenhaal? There are

56:41

pictures out there, and it looks ridiculous, but yeah.

56:43

Doug Lyman? Doug Lyman. I'm

56:45

curious. I don't know about you guys.

56:47

I'm curious. He can be hit or

56:49

miss, but I know Dave and I have always had

56:52

a list off-smartments for Doug Lyman. Yeah,

56:54

absolutely. Roadhouse. There

56:56

is a new Matthew Vaughn movie coming

56:58

out next month called Argyle. Yeah. We

57:01

talked about that. It could be good.

57:03

That terrible trailer that we're all subjected to every time

57:05

I go to the movies at least. I haven't seen

57:08

it, but... Could be good. I like Matthew Vaughn movies

57:10

generally. Alex Garland is coming out with a new movie

57:12

called Civil War in 2024. I

57:15

am very curious about this movie. Very curious.

57:17

My prediction for Biggest Bummer of 2024, maybe, that movie. The

57:21

thing is, what was Alex Garland's last movie? Was

57:23

it Men? It was Men. That

57:26

was, in my opinion, a pretty terrible movie. Bad

57:29

movie. Even he was like, I got doubts

57:31

about this movie. We're moving forward. Yeah. So

57:33

I'm really hoping he's going to bring it back. Now,

57:36

Jeff, if I recall quickly, you loved Devs. Is that

57:38

right? Am I remembering? Devs? I

57:41

love Devs. Yes. Absolutely.

57:43

I also loved Devs. He

57:46

was like, I'm interested in civil

57:48

rights and this era. So I was like,

57:50

oh, he wanted to work on something. I

57:54

don't know. I think this is the most iconic movie

57:56

that I've ever seen. I've never seen it

57:58

before. I've never seen it before. want to even

58:00

think about in 2024 because we're

58:03

entering an election year. Everything is insane

58:05

so far. We've got earthquakes. We've got

58:07

tidal waves. We've got people, you

58:10

know, entering. I think there was a, some sort of like

58:12

weird thing in a Supreme court, in a state Supreme court

58:14

recently, like this is going to be a bad year. And

58:17

that is a movie that is basically like, Hey,

58:19

civil war is happening again. America split up and we're

58:21

all fighting each other. It's just

58:24

bad vibes, bad vibes to me.

58:26

By the way, final episode of devs, I just want to say

58:28

is like, it's,

58:31

I still think about it. I still think every now

58:33

and then I think about the final episode of devs.

58:35

And I'm like, wow, there are some really profound ideas

58:37

in that final episode. He is

58:40

a true genius. Now, now I

58:42

think also I found devs profoundly

58:44

annoying. And it's also like, it's

58:46

also one of those movies where it's like, or

58:48

shows where I feel like it's, again, we try

58:51

not to use that word, but pretentious is the

58:53

first word that comes up. It has people talking

58:55

really slowly in, you know,

58:58

very broad. Yeah.

59:01

Speaking in riddles most of the time. Anyway, but

59:03

at the same time, I still thought

59:05

it was very powerful men though. Not

59:07

a movie I felt any urge to rethink or go

59:10

back to. The one

59:12

scene that stuck it stuck in

59:14

my head. Oh yeah. We

59:16

all remember. You're talking about a good way.

59:18

Yeah. Gladiator two.

59:21

Must we the gladiating? Must

59:23

we gladiator two? We psyched

59:25

with the, I mean, good, good actor,

59:28

right? Paul

59:31

Mezcal. Right. Paul Mezcal. Ridley Scott is

59:33

directing. Yes. So certainly

59:36

three hours. Venom three.

59:39

How have you not talked about there's

59:42

not another saw movie coming? I was

59:45

getting through Jeff. You gotta wait for

59:47

the best for last. Yeah. And

59:49

then, uh, I have

59:51

heard tell that there is a new karate

59:54

kid movie coming out. I don't actually believe

59:56

that it's happening. Yeah. I know. Yeah. If

59:58

it happens, I'm going to be there. It's gonna be there John

1:00:01

Chu is coming out with the first part of

1:00:03

his wicked movie in November Wicked

1:00:05

the musical has been divided into two parts. I

1:00:08

am think that movie is gonna be pop you Wow,

1:00:12

no the question

1:00:14

is Whether people will go

1:00:16

see movie musicals without needing to be tricked that wicked

1:00:18

is well Not a movie. How do you know they

1:00:20

aren't gonna be tricked? I don't know that they're not

1:00:23

gonna trick people. Yeah Venom 3

1:00:25

any no, we're the hunter There

1:00:30

was madam web for movies. I'm Inside

1:00:34

out to Yeah, yeah,

1:00:37

that could be great. That's you know before you go

1:00:39

down this list a but the bleaker 2020 Apparently

1:00:43

is one of my favorite Pixar's like

1:00:45

top three Pixar's I think it's very good

1:00:48

There's going to be a new alien movie

1:00:50

directed by Feta Alvarez, which I'm actually like

1:00:52

Feta Alvarez one of my my I

1:00:55

wouldn't say one of my favorite directors, but one who I whose

1:00:57

work I really appreciate, you know Doing interesting

1:00:59

work and That's

1:01:01

it guys. That's all I wanted. Wait, what

1:01:04

about we didn't mention Kevin Costner's Two

1:01:07

part Western is gonna be two movies in one year

1:01:11

That's gonna be the thing that breaks like two billion dollars.

1:01:13

He's working on it like this 1988. Yeah Horizon

1:01:17

and American saga they put 20 million dollars

1:01:20

of his own money into it, right? He

1:01:22

actually this has actually been disrupting his shooting

1:01:24

schedule for Yellowstone is my understanding The

1:01:27

last time Kevin Costner

1:01:29

made a passion project. It was called the postman I

1:01:32

believe Mm-hmm, and that was widely regarded

1:01:34

as one of the worst films that came out that year

1:01:37

But before that he was like one

1:01:39

of the Most lauded

1:01:41

directors. Yeah, you know, he kind of went

1:01:44

a little astray in a little water world

1:01:46

a little postman Yeah, you know for that

1:01:48

he was dancing with this is gonna be

1:01:50

his his comeback This is gonna be the

1:01:53

the capstone of his career. Yes No,

1:01:58

we'll see he's doing two movies in one year

1:02:01

here's what here's a rebel moon style talking

1:02:04

about all these movies here's here's what I feel is

1:02:06

I think there's actually gonna be a

1:02:08

lot of good movies this year I also think there's

1:02:10

gonna be a lot of weeks where there's nothing coming

1:02:12

up and that

1:02:14

that is gonna be a challenge so

1:02:17

it'll be interesting because there's a

1:02:20

lot of movies pushed into 2024 because the

1:02:22

strikes and there's also just gonna

1:02:24

be a lot of movies that never got made that

1:02:26

would have been in 2024 because the strikes so we'll

1:02:29

see what happens gonna be

1:02:32

fun we'll be here hopefully the audience will

1:02:34

be too we'll still be here we'll

1:02:36

be here all right thank you everyone for listening

1:02:38

and 2023 was a great year for the

1:02:42

podcast and for movies in general here's

1:02:45

to 2024 see

1:02:47

you next week for the beekeeper guys yeah

1:02:50

kicking it off right

1:02:52

indeed goodbye