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Hello, everyone, and welcome to the film

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I'm David Chen, and I went to see Black Panther

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with Conifer this weekend. and I was dazzled

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by all the images on screen of those blue humanoid

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creatures with super strength that spent a lot of

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time underwater. And

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then the trailer for Avatar two ended in

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the movie began. Joining

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me today is Davinder Hardwear.

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This week, I saw a movie

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about blue underwater people fighting,

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colonialists, but enough about the Avatar

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two trailer. Damn you, Dave. And

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Jeff Kaneda. i for one am

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very glad that Marvel is continuing

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to make big budget entertainment about

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underrepresented groups, including

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people with wings their ankles.

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I mean, they're important. Okay.

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we get to our review of Panther reconfirm,

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of course, we got some of what we've been watching and

1:53

some film news items to discuss

1:56

with you. there is a very sad

1:58

update that I wanted to talk with you guys about.

2:00

That is, over the course of last week or so,

2:03

Kevin Conroy passed away. Oh, man.

2:05

so bummed. This was very, very sad.

2:07

Kevin Conroy is best for

2:10

his portrayal as Batman In

2:13

various media, not just Batman, the animated

2:15

series, he's also in Batman Arcum and

2:17

the Injustice video games. He

2:19

did a live action stint. had, like, a little crossover

2:21

thing, and he was there. He's the voice of

2:24

Batman. He's the voice of Batman. He's of voice.

2:26

Absolutely. Yeah. I wanted I wanted to just take

2:29

a few minutes to reflect on his contributions

2:31

to the Batman character.

2:33

For me, you know,

2:35

it was a very one of my favorite

2:37

activities, like, was after school coming

2:39

home and watching Batman and the animated series. That

2:41

was, like, one of my first really

2:44

meaningful exposures to Batman as a character.

2:47

And he did such an amazing job

2:49

in that role making

2:51

you know, like, it's it's easy to forget

2:53

there was a time when Batman was not like

2:55

a super dark character, like a super

2:58

brooding dark character. he

3:00

really made a version of Batman that I thought

3:02

was aspirational. Right.

3:05

And that would, you know, like, It was

3:08

fighting for good. Also, like, a little

3:10

bit tortured. Of course, he's got the torture Yeah. It

3:12

gotta be torture. It gotta be torture. If you're bad, man.

3:14

But he is Post Batman Returns,

3:16

you know, post Tim Burton, Batman two. So

3:18

there is, like, even less of the because

3:20

even that I had, like, a bit of Gothic camp, I

3:22

love that these series was just like very much

3:24

its own thing. It was in a way that

3:27

was shocking for a kids cartoon at the time.

3:29

Yeah. Yeah. Jeff Kanata,

3:31

do you have any thoughts on Batman the animated series?

3:33

Oh, yeah. I mean, it was it was a huge

3:35

deal to see

3:39

as a kid, I

3:42

think what separated that show for

3:44

me was as as a avid comic

3:46

book reader. you know,

3:49

was handling

3:51

that show but not making a show for

3:53

kids. Mhmm. Right? It is a

3:55

aired at prime time at the beginning. Yeah. Yeah.

3:57

It's it's a it's it's

3:59

got all the trappings of a kids show, animation

4:01

style, very simplistic, you know, clean

4:03

lines, larger

4:05

than life characters, but it

4:08

did not talk down to its audience. It wasn't,

4:10

you know -- Mhmm. -- it wasn't GI Joe

4:12

and Transformers. It it it was it

4:14

it was really creating sophisticated, interesting

4:17

stories and advancing

4:20

the the Methode. I mean,

4:22

Harley Quinn, like, is born

4:24

of that show. I I would push

4:26

back a little there, Jeff, because the animation is

4:28

not simplistic. It's like, in fact,

4:31

one of the best animated shows

4:33

we got in the nineties because they really

4:35

focused on aesthetics. Like, there were there was a lot

4:37

of communication between the animation

4:39

studio, and I believe it was, like, one of the Japanese

4:41

ones that, you know, also did anime.

4:43

So this the show had a look -- Yeah. --

4:45

definite vibe to it that really

4:48

nothing else on TV did. Even

4:50

gargoyles was like pretty, like, really well

4:52

animated and Gothic a bit later, but very

4:54

different vibes. Like, the darkness. a

4:56

Batman, the anime series is something. We didn't really

4:58

see in in cartoons at all. Yeah. And just just

5:00

excellent art direction. I think what you're you're

5:02

talking about. Great style. Yeah. You know, a

5:04

lot of that's Bruce Tim and and that that team,

5:06

but, you know, Kevin Conroy is such a big

5:08

part of that indelible

5:11

feeling of that character. And like

5:14

I said, that is how Batman

5:16

sounds. Like that -- Mhmm. -- for some

5:18

reason, his voice more

5:20

than any other, more than any other.

5:22

There's been so many versions of Batman.

5:25

His voice is the one that

5:27

sounds right, that sounds like it should

5:29

be what comes out of Batman'sowl.

5:31

Mhmm. Mhmm. How how iconic was that show?

5:33

Like, it also solidified Mark Hamill as

5:35

the joke influence to me too. So, you

5:37

know, A lot of people have

5:39

taken to sharing kind of their favorite --

5:41

Mhmm. -- Kevin Conrad performances. And

5:45

one of the ones that went around on social

5:47

media a lot this week was from

5:49

mask of the Phantom. I actually, such a

5:51

great cut out a clip here.

5:54

This scene is Bruce Wayne

5:56

in front of his parents' grave, he

5:59

has found some something to live

6:01

for, someone to love and does not want to

6:03

be Batman anymore. play

6:06

a clip from the show, this is from Batman

6:08

mask the fan doesn't, and this is the voice of

6:10

Kevin caught in writing.

6:10

It

6:13

doesn't mean I don't care anymore. I

6:15

don't wanna let you down, honest, but

6:18

but it just

6:19

doesn't hurt so bad anymore.

6:21

You can understand that, can't you?

6:24

Look, I can give money to the city that can

6:26

hire more comps, let someone else take

6:28

the risk, but it's different now.

6:36

Please. need

6:38

it to be different then.

6:41

I know

6:44

I made a promise. but I

6:46

didn't see this coming. I didn't

6:48

count on being happy.

6:52

That was Kevin Conroy as the

6:54

voice of Bruce Wayne and Batman in Batman,

6:57

mask of the Phantom. And he really

6:59

did imbue the character with this

7:01

tragic nature,

7:04

you know. He was he wasn't just a

7:06

brooding, you know, dude. Like,

7:08

there was something genuine going on

7:10

behind him too. Right. there's

7:12

a desire for happiness,

7:14

you know, which is which is not something

7:16

that that is seen in a lot of modern batman. It's

7:18

like a desire for peace And

7:20

and you can sense these two things are

7:22

at war within the character. Right? So

7:24

anyway and you can definitely hear that what he

7:26

does playing Bruce.

7:29

Yes. It's a very different Yeah. It's a

7:31

very different character than Batman for sure for

7:33

sure. Yeah. Shout out to him in Venture Brothers

7:35

as well because he was captain sunshine there

7:37

and he was like, basically doing

7:39

a spin on himself too as

7:41

Batman, so that was really fun. Like, he knew

7:43

how to, like, take the piss out of himself as well.

7:45

Then another great clip that's been going around

7:47

this week is the episode

7:49

where Batman sings. Like,

7:51

I think it's a poison IV that makes him

7:53

or maybe it's not poison IV. But if if

7:55

somebody makes him makes him

7:57

singing. Evidently Kevin Conroy was a

7:59

every

7:59

avid singer

8:01

and was an opportunity for him to sort of

8:03

marry those two things, his Batman voice, and his

8:05

amazing. It's quite an odd scene,

8:07

but it's so cool to look back on that and

8:09

think about. You know, it clearly

8:12

was written in because he's such a good singer.

8:14

It's it's so funny. I mean, I didn't even know

8:16

most of his life action stuff. He was on Dynasty

8:18

for a while like this guy, man, what

8:20

a legend? Yeah. Yeah. And so

8:22

young, only sixty six. Mhmm. I

8:24

really appreciated everything that he

8:26

did. And he by all by all accounts

8:28

a great human being as well as my son. Yeah.

8:31

But he really helped

8:34

define the Batman character

8:36

for me personally as a fan

8:38

growing up and and

8:41

probably, like, has has

8:43

therefore defined some value reactions to the

8:45

current incarnations of Batman that we see,

8:47

you know, But I really loved

8:49

his depiction of Bruce Wayne and Batman in

8:51

Batman, the animated series and in all these other things.

8:53

And so Kevin Conroy, a resident

8:55

piece man. Really appreciate

8:57

everything that he's done for our popular culture.

9:00

Alright, folks. There is one other

9:02

thing I wanted to discuss before we

9:04

move on to what we've been watching this week.

9:07

James Cameron. I don't

9:09

know if you guys know this. He likes to give

9:11

interviews about things. Mhmm. And

9:14

recently, about eight days ago, he gave

9:16

an interview to total film,

9:19

The Magazine, about the

9:22

Avatar sequels. I'm so sick

9:24

of I'm so sick of magazines that aren't

9:26

about the total film. You know

9:28

what I mean? Like, that just talk about, like, I

9:30

freaking heard I freaking hate partial

9:32

film. Yeah. Definitely. But The

9:34

magazine's film. Yeah. You know,

9:36

like, a scraps of film

9:38

I I think all those are there's there's feel like

9:40

a waste of time, you know, like, somebody should

9:42

really talk about the entire running time of

9:44

a movie. Mhmm. Mhmm. Jeff,

9:46

I think that joke lasted about ten seconds

9:49

long to the total joke.

9:53

Alright. Well, James

9:55

Cameron, in ninety nine

9:57

percent of his interviews has

9:59

been, from my estimation,

10:02

very blustery. And and deservedly so.

10:04

This is a guy that has proved every

10:06

single one of his critics wrong again

10:08

and again and again over the course of his

10:10

several decade career. And so

10:12

if anyone deserves to put down the haters,

10:15

it's James Cameron. But this

10:17

interview with total film I thought was notable.

10:20

because it is the first time where he has

10:22

shown any weakness

10:24

in my opinion. Weakness.

10:27

The headline

10:29

The headline is James Cameron

10:31

says Avatar three could wrap the

10:33

series if the way of water bombs at

10:35

the box office. So

10:38

this is not, like, new

10:40

revolutionary information. It's information we kinda

10:42

already could have guessed, but it's shocking

10:44

to hear Cameron admit to it. Okay?

10:46

Yeah. here's what he says, quote,

10:48

the market could be telling us we're done

10:50

in three months, or we might be semi

10:52

done, meaning, okay, let's complete the

10:54

story within movie three and not go on

10:56

endlessly if it's just not profitable. So,

11:00

yeah, the the total film article

11:03

continues at The reported

11:05

budget of all four Avatar

11:07

sequels is around one billion

11:09

dollars. And

11:11

as Cameron himself says,

11:13

these are hideously

11:15

expensive movies. hideously

11:17

expensive movies. It was a

11:19

sketchy business case before the pandemic to make a

11:21

movie that caused that much. At this point,

11:23

we just have to play it out and see what happens. But

11:25

what I know right now is we're delivering

11:28

three hours of a pretty

11:30

much insane experience. Oh,

11:32

man. I'm so excited you guys.

11:35

Like, drive it that way. You

11:37

sound like you can't get any stories. You know,

11:40

wait. I can't wait. Oh my god.

11:42

But I I love his Neil McCauley

11:44

attitude. It's like, I'm I'm not gonna get attached to I'm

11:46

gonna drop this franchise at the

11:48

drop of a hat. Never

11:51

be afraid to walk out on

11:53

a billion dollar franchise in

11:55

thirty seconds a flat. If you spend

11:57

ten years on that you spend ten years on, if you

11:59

feel the market forces around the corner. I

12:01

think it's it's an exact quote for

12:03

Michael Mancini. Yeah. The thing that that

12:05

just Jeff my hide is is that I

12:07

know there are people out there that are rooting

12:09

for that exact thing to happen. But

12:11

I got news for you folks. don't think that

12:13

means James Cameron is like

12:15

walking in and making a a different movie for

12:17

you. He's like

12:19

he'll just retreat to his underwater

12:21

force Chris and live down there. That's

12:23

what he does. Yeah. I

12:25

mean, when what I'm

12:27

waiting for, Jeff, is this abyss and true

12:29

lies Blu ray. You know, that's what I'm hoping.

12:31

for. Sure. Apparently, it's coming. If

12:33

only he had more time to work on that, that's that's

12:35

what it would be. I mean, if it's he

12:37

has said it is coming for, like, years and years

12:39

and years. And I hope it

12:41

actually does happen. But anyway, he says,

12:43

quote, why might

12:45

it do the movies in quote, it's the one

12:47

two punch, the pandemic and

12:49

streaming. Or conversely, maybe

12:52

we'll remind people what going to the theater

12:54

is all about. Maybe this this

12:56

is Maybe we will

12:58

save movies. Again,

13:00

this film definitely does that.

13:02

The question is, how many people give a

13:04

shit now? End quote. And

13:06

the end these these are all

13:09

the questions I David Chen am

13:11

asking. You know, like, pandemic and streaming

13:13

has laid waste to theatrical

13:15

box office in some ways. Mhmm.

13:17

Mhmm. But And now we're spending a billion dollars

13:20

on TV shows, you know, for Amazon.

13:22

So -- True. -- every everything stops

13:24

each every now. Yes.

13:26

That is correct. They're not even going underwater

13:28

in lord of the rings. Yeah. How do

13:30

you add that water? money above the surface

13:32

of the water. Mhmm. Mhmm.

13:36

But, yeah, I just and if these

13:38

are questions I had, but I never expected James

13:40

Cameron would would have

13:42

those questions and admit to it.

13:44

Right? But it it does

13:46

seem that if way of water bombs or doesn't

13:48

do well, I don't even

13:50

know how they're gonna release the third one.

13:52

Like, Yes. They'll still, you know, they'll still release a third week because it's

13:54

already done. Mhmm.

13:56

But they'll probably scale back

13:58

on the mark looking for it is my guess. Right? And then

14:00

four and five will just never be

14:02

made, which is

14:05

pretty astonishing to contemplate possibility.

14:07

Like -- Yeah. -- this is we are just at such

14:09

a unique moment in time. Right? As

14:11

reported as right now, we're in the shortingers

14:14

avatar, basically. I'm like Mhmm.

14:16

Maybe it's gonna be a massive hit or

14:18

maybe it will bomb. Maybe it

14:20

will do somewhere in between, but, like, The future of

14:22

the Avatar franchise hangs in the

14:24

balance. It's both alive and dead, the tiny

14:26

blue cat in the box. This

14:30

man is coming

14:32

to us bringing us, mhmm, two

14:35

decades of his life's work. the

14:37

bluish people you'll ever. It's an all he

14:39

asks. It's for you to buy

14:41

a ticket and leave your house. That's all

14:43

he asks. Mhmm. Mhmm.

14:46

Well, how dare we not even Who

14:48

are we gonna say no? Who are we? We're also in the

14:50

middle of a triple pandemic right now. This

14:52

winter sucks. Not a not a

14:54

great time, unfortunately. So I don't

14:56

know. But yeah. I

14:58

mean, Jeff, do you have a you wanna

15:00

you wanna make prediction? You wanna I think it's gonna you

15:02

think it's gonna I've been making a prediction

15:04

for ten years, you guys.

15:06

Mhmm. We're going all the way to Avatar five, you

15:08

think. Right? Yeah. Okay.

15:11

I think Avatar two is gonna do gangbusters. I

15:13

don't know if it's gonna be the biggest movie of the year. I

15:15

don't think I don't know if it's gonna be the biggest movie

15:17

of the all time. Mhmm. But I think it's

15:19

gonna do very very well. And

15:21

if

15:22

anything, as I always say, Dave,

15:24

you know you know you know my my famous

15:27

catchphrase. Yeah. If there's no thought in the wave

15:29

water. Right? Yeah. That No. No. No. The

15:31

other famous catchphrase hopefully,

15:34

China will save us. Yeah.

15:36

You're right. No. That's not gonna help.

15:38

I mean, it it is

15:40

interesting. Like, China was such a

15:42

huge part of Avatar one's success, whereas

15:44

in the in the intervening decade,

15:46

they basically have stopped

15:48

playing most American films in China.

15:50

Right? And so I don't

15:52

know that Avatar two will get a China Chinese

15:55

release. Here's another thing,

15:57

guys. Don't you think it's

15:59

really really weird? Like, do you think it's

16:00

just a little bit weird

16:02

that within six weeks

16:04

of each other, one

16:06

of the largest entertainment companies in the world is gonna

16:09

release two films that have underwater blue

16:11

people in it. Like, the isn't it? It is so

16:13

weird. It's a little weird. It's a bit of a

16:15

bummer, honestly. Yeah. It's a bit of a When I

16:17

saw those blue people crawl out of the water, first

16:20

time in Wakanda forever. I was like,

16:22

hey, man. Why don't you go back in the

16:24

waterfall segment? They're right there. They'll be like,

16:26

we were here first. Okay.

16:29

Okay. Pandora people. Yeah.

16:31

Yeah. Nabi. You're backing our

16:33

style. Yeah. I

16:35

mean -- Yeah. I it it's just it's

16:37

just a little coincidental. It's a little

16:39

coincidental. And I think it it does create some interesting

16:41

marketing challenges. Can can I throw a prediction out

16:43

here, by the way? Sure prediction. I think because I

16:45

don't I don't want Avatar two

16:47

or three to fail, Jeff. And and,

16:49

like, unless, like, what what you're thinking? You

16:51

know, I'm not wishing for that. I

16:53

do kind of wish four and five don't happen

16:56

because because give

16:58

give us this man is not

17:00

gonna be here forever. I would love James

17:02

Cameron to do something else with his time, with, like, with

17:04

his remaining time, even if he's, like, going into his, you

17:07

know, underwater fortress. But I I can

17:09

imagine two doing very very well because there was

17:11

so much pent up demand for this thing. And three is

17:13

gonna get some hold of her from that. But if it

17:15

doesn't do as well, I can also see

17:17

the studio being pretty afraid and being like, okay.

17:19

Whatever the plot was for four and five, that will be

17:21

a TV show, you

17:23

know, a couple years later. It

17:25

doesn't did good to

17:27

me. I I just James Cameron could do

17:29

literally anything else. But I don't think he would I don't

17:31

think he's gonna be like, wow. I really you

17:33

know, I didn't get to make those last two out of time movies.

17:35

Now I'm gonna make this indie movie. I don't think that's

17:37

who he's gonna do. Yeah.

17:39

Devendra, I think you I think you need to

17:41

accept James Cameron in his

17:43

fullness, in the fullness of his personality, and the

17:45

fullness of his personality saying,

17:47

I love Pandora. And this is where I want I want to see more

17:49

ugly people. This is where I literally want to spend

17:51

the rest of my life. I'm I'm not even joking.

17:54

Like, And so yeah. I I'm on Jeff's side on

17:56

this one. It's like, it's not as

17:58

though if these don't work, you know,

17:59

James Cameron is gonna make, like, Terminator six or

18:02

whatever. You know, like, He is gonna There are

18:04

other things. He might be creatively he

18:06

might just say, like, you know what? I'm not gonna make movies anymore.

18:08

Like, because I'm done with this industry. Like, that

18:10

that might be what he does. So

18:13

And maybe you're saying that's a price I I would

18:15

say that that that's also fine too.

18:17

I think the world will survive without

18:19

Avatar four and five. I think if

18:21

you wanna Dude, why would you

18:23

wanna give up two more movies

18:25

regardless of of whether you like the IP

18:27

or not? It was more movies from this

18:29

guy. If if the idea is two more movies or

18:31

not two more movies? I'll

18:33

take two more movies. Sure. I mean,

18:35

some people would argue as -- Mhmm. -- I did

18:37

during our Avatar Review episode

18:40

that you know, one could argue

18:42

that Avatar is a force for bad

18:44

in the universe. You know, like, one

18:46

could argue that if Maybe my

18:48

mind my mind will be changed after I see

18:50

how two kind of goes, but rewatching

18:52

one is, like, III

18:54

could do a couple movies of this, guys. Okay. But unless we

18:57

have, like, a dramatically, like,

18:59

more interesting narrative and more interesting

19:01

characters and something that's

19:03

basically, not the basic plot we've seen so

19:05

many times. Like -- Yeah. I I don't know. -- I'm so

19:07

curious what the plot like, I'm so curious

19:09

what the plot gonna be of

19:11

Avatar two. I'm so curious, like, if if

19:14

and how it will be in dialogue with a plot of

19:16

Avatar one in any way, all the stuff

19:18

we brought up in our Avatar review.

19:20

Like, because of all this stuff that's just like, is Habitat are

19:22

you gonna address any of it, Sonya? Mhmm. I it's

19:24

just so fun. You know, we're, like, waiting for Christmas

19:26

Christmas Christmas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just wanted to

19:28

kinda reflect on it a little This

19:30

is an amazing moment. Yes. This is an amazing moment. Yeah.

19:32

And I, honestly, I could

19:35

be disastrously wrong.

19:37

but I I truly believe in in the in

19:39

my quest have been many times. With it.

19:41

With an an a nearly religious certainty.

19:46

that you guys are

19:48

gonna love this movie. I think

19:50

I think this movie is gonna blow

19:54

our friggin minds. I I don't think this is a

19:56

big bet, Jeff. Like, just yeah.

19:58

There's a lot of stuff going to this that makes

19:59

it a a good hit, and we'll probably like it. I'll

20:02

probably like it. Yeah.

20:04

We'll see. We'll see. I'm so

20:06

curious. I'm so curious. Anyway,

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Alright, folks. Let's get the way we've been

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watching. Let's start with Devinder Hardor, Devinder

22:39

Hardor. What have you been watching? Sure.

22:41

I've been checking out tales of the Jedi on

22:43

Disney plus because we we can't get

22:45

enough Star Wars guys. Right? Like, we we

22:47

just gotta gotta get more I

22:50

was not really following what the show

22:52

what the show actually would be, but it's

22:54

a it's a really interesting series of

22:56

short episodes. It's not like very long

22:59

episode. Some are like fifteen to twenty minutes long, but

23:01

it dives into characters we've seen before in

23:03

the movies and in the various

23:05

animated series. The

23:07

first episode gives us a sort of, like,

23:10

infant origin of

23:12

Asoka tano. And also, the the

23:14

next few episodes follow count dooku.

23:16

who I don't. I've not heard that name. In a

23:18

while, I haven't really thought about him very much a

23:20

name I haven't heard. Haven't heard in

23:22

twenty years. Yeah. but

23:26

it does some really interesting things with

23:28

the character. And also, like, sets up Dukue as a

23:30

guy who's, like, you know, maybe the Jedi kinda

23:33

suck. Maybe maybe we shouldn't be spending

23:35

our time protecting the

23:37

senate elite while many

23:39

of them are like robbing the people and

23:41

not actually taking care of

23:43

their citizens. It makes some really interesting points. I think the

23:46

animation is also really good. They are

23:48

nice, bite sized, little bits of

23:50

Star Wars. I would say it's worth

23:52

checking out if you haven't really seen any of the

23:54

animated shows because I found them I

23:56

I don't know about you, Jeff, but I found them to

23:58

be really tough to

23:59

get into. because there are so many of them. Mhmm. The

24:02

Clone Wars show has so many

24:04

freaking episodes. I've heard from a lot of people

24:06

you could just skip whole seasons for that

24:08

show or just like pick and choose. It

24:10

is so complicated. And -- Mhmm. --

24:12

also, I've tried watching that show at the beginning. I just

24:14

didn't I hate the way it looks. I think the

24:16

animation's really tilted and ugly.

24:18

I've got a lot of things going against those anime shows.

24:20

Maybe I'll check them out with you. I'm kinda I I mean,

24:22

I kinda wanna prevent the huge

24:24

flood of emails that's about to come in right now to

24:26

slash phone cast But a lot of people

24:28

have said the clone wars is excellent. Right? So

24:31

people You're not denying that. I'm saying I

24:33

have tried and I

24:35

don't it. But what this show is

24:37

doing is they're bite sized.

24:39

The animation is very good. Clearly, like,

24:41

they had more time and more of a budget to

24:43

to put towards this. The

24:45

thing that really gets me with cheap CG

24:47

animation is just I don't I don't connect

24:49

to it because the faces don't move very much.

24:51

There's very little expression and things just seem

24:53

to look cheap. this show looks nice. It looks

24:55

very like high level. Basically, an

24:58

upgrade over their most recent

25:00

TV shows, I think. You've

25:02

got some Anken Skywalker here. You've got some,

25:04

like, great background stories. I think it's worth

25:06

checking out, especially if you're watching Andor and loving

25:08

Andor, but, like, you know, miss a

25:11

lightsaber too. show me a lightsaber now and then. I do like

25:13

lightsabers. People are talking about like, oh man,

25:15

andor is amazing because you never see

25:17

a lightsaber. I I kinda like

25:19

lightsabers. I think they're very

25:21

cool. If only there was some

25:23

place we could find lightsabers, you know,

25:25

using a plus, Well, simply it's new,

25:27

you know. Anyway, the show is good.

25:29

It's worth checking out, and they're all, like, the

25:31

episodes are, like, tangentially connected

25:33

to So they fill out background

25:35

for characters we've seen before, but also tell us

25:37

in these stories too. So I dig it.

25:39

Alright.

25:40

That is

25:40

tales of the Jedi. It's streaming right now in

25:43

Disney plus. Domingo would love to be

25:45

watching. I have been watching a

25:47

show called Tulsa

25:50

King. What

25:52

what comes to your mind when you hear

25:54

the title, Tulsa King?

25:58

I think well, the city of Tulsa is in Oklahoma.

26:00

Uh-huh. Right? So I think

26:02

of, like, a local mob

26:04

leader. Okay. Wholesale,

26:06

Oklahoma. Is that right? What what what if

26:08

that local mod leader was a

26:10

sylvester Stallone. Heck yes. Sign

26:12

me up. a former mafia

26:14

kappa from New York City who

26:16

who was like a fish out of water in

26:18

Oklahoma. Wouldn't that be hilarious? Wouldn't that be

26:20

That sounds hilarious. It's a this

26:22

is a new show. Tulsa. Tulsa.

26:25

What? This is the

26:27

latest series from Taylor

26:29

Sheridan. And I

26:31

I have liked many of Taylor Sheridan's movies. I've

26:33

given y'all a student chance. I haven't really talked

26:35

about it here. I think this

26:37

guy is, like, really, really interesting. I do

26:40

feel like with Tulsa King we're,

26:42

like, seeing the ideas he

26:44

had in his, like,

26:46

destror. from a decade ago, you know, before

26:48

he really heated up. Like, what

26:50

what else what else what else I got here? I got

26:52

New York, New York mobster,

26:54

go into Oklahoma. That'll really

26:57

that'll really work with the the, you know, the

26:59

flyover states. This show

27:01

is it is very much a

27:03

dad show that is not doing

27:05

anything new. But if you wanna see

27:07

Sylvester Stallone beat up a couple of

27:09

dudes as a seventy six year old

27:11

man, you know if you wanna see Sylvester

27:13

Stallone, still still get the ladies

27:15

and watch them be horrified

27:17

once they realize how old he is, which

27:20

does happen. in the show.

27:22

You can watch Elsie kick.

27:24

Wow. I I mean, I'm so curious,

27:26

a, DaVendra, why you decided

27:28

to watch this and b, Why

27:31

Jeff coincidentally also wants to why

27:33

I'm more interested in the Jeff part. I was basically

27:35

forced at gunpoint because our friends at extra

27:38

hot. Great. wanted to review this this series. I

27:40

was like, okay. Oh, yeah. I'll check out the

27:42

retailer share it in, and I'll be recording with

27:44

them soon. We'll go deep on the

27:46

show. I was like, I I can't go wrong with Taylor Sheridan.

27:48

Right? Generally, there there's a certain level

27:50

of quality here. This show was not terrible.

27:53

But it is, like, aggressively mediocre in the

27:55

way that my dad will probably enjoy

27:57

it. But it doesn't do anything new.

27:59

And, man,

27:59

does it feel like a script that

28:02

was written long, long before Taylor

28:04

Sheridan really, like, honed his chops.

28:06

Yeah. I mean, Taylor

28:06

Sheridan had

28:09

has probably one of the best

28:11

-- Mhmm. first

28:13

three written movies. Whatever is. three

28:16

screenwriting credits. Yeah. Ever like, one

28:18

of the best three film runs ever, which is

28:20

Chicago, Hell or High Water, and

28:22

Wind River. Like, that is an amazing three credit

28:24

run. And

28:26

he's doing other things now. He's doing a

28:28

lot of shows. Well, TV is doing very

28:31

well. massive hit. Yes.

28:33

Yellowstone is a massive hit. It's got

28:35

two spin offs. It's so big.

28:37

And it it has become, you

28:39

know, with Kevin Kosner,

28:41

it has become the he

28:43

he has become single handedly,

28:45

Bill Sheridan, is the the person

28:48

aging white actors go to --

28:50

Mhmm. -- being in the center of

28:52

attention again. Uh-huh. She also

28:54

Harrison Ford, she also semeshed

28:57

just alone. Like, this is this is his MO. He's

28:59

like, I take take the old white

29:02

actor. Yep. Make him awesome

29:05

again. he could he could even get

29:07

Tom Hanks into his things

29:09

secretly. So Hey.

29:11

Jeff can always You wanted to see I'm I'm excited

29:13

to check out nineteen twenty three just because Harrison it

29:15

it's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. What's

29:18

the other one? He got one other one that also

29:20

has another aging actor in it.

29:22

What

29:22

is it? I

29:23

mean, is there are you thinking the other prequel

29:26

eighteen eighty three? Yeah. What are who's who's

29:28

pitching numbers now? Yeah.

29:30

Sam Elliott. Sam, I thought I thought it was somebody

29:32

else. Anyway, Tim McGraw. He's not

29:34

aging. I also I also checked

29:37

this out because I think you

29:39

guys may have picked up on this. at

29:41

at some point. Uh-huh. I am

29:43

sort of secretly a celestial

29:45

stand. Mhmm. Yeah. And there's

29:47

I really wonder how this tested your fate.

29:49

Yeah. I don't know what. It is something

29:52

about stallone. I think you can

29:54

recall our review of

29:56

Samaritan, which is a

29:58

bad movie, but there's

29:59

something I

30:01

don't know what it is about me. He's got

30:03

gravitas. I find him a washable

30:05

man. Yeah. Find him charismatic and

30:08

fascinating to watch, especially now where his,

30:10

like, his body doesn't even really

30:12

work anymore, you know. Most of his face

30:14

doesn't work. He can't move. it can

30:16

barely move. Oh, man. I mean, I it's

30:18

just there's so much

30:19

that he brings just walking into

30:22

a room I

30:25

agree a hundred percent that this this show

30:27

is aggressively mediocre.

30:30

It is It

30:32

is not good.

30:34

But he I you

30:36

know, it's it's he's entertaining to watch. He is I

30:38

will give you that. He is watchable dude, like,

30:40

and him being like a a

30:44

grizzled experience to

30:46

mafia, Don, who literally the beginning of this

30:48

of this show, He gets out of prison where he's been

30:50

for twenty five years. Uh-huh.

30:53

So, like, shot.

30:56

This will this will explain the

30:58

tone of this show and explain why

31:00

DaVinci calls it a dad show. There is

31:02

a shot at the beginning of this show.

31:05

his drive through New York. Yeah. He's

31:08

driving, dude. He's driving he's in the back of a

31:10

car being having been picked up from the

31:12

airport and being driven. And

31:14

we see a shot from his P0V

31:16

through the car window of

31:21

people. More than one, two or

31:23

three people standing on the street on

31:25

the sidewalk outside

31:27

of a building -- Mhmm. --

31:29

with oculus headsets on.

31:32

He there there are people on

31:35

electric skateboards or, like, almost

31:37

like segue type things. There's a sole cycle

31:39

class happening outside. These scenes, by

31:41

the way, like, he's clearly being filmed inside of a car,

31:43

you know, that's, like, in the studio. He he's

31:46

not this guy is just gonna react to he

31:48

has no idea what he's reacting to. And this it

31:50

is a series disconnected shot. Yeah. He

31:52

just has a He just has

31:55

no idea what what

31:57

they do. reacting

31:59

with

31:59

You ever have either of you ever you guys

32:02

are both tech people, video game

32:04

people. You ever

32:06

driven down the street, looked outside and see not one,

32:09

but the three people with

32:12

oculus you

32:13

know, meta quest headsets

32:16

on. I have seen people do

32:18

it completely on the sidewalk. I've seen

32:20

people do it on the subway. the quest

32:22

first came out, that was the thing, but not on the sidewalk

32:24

because people are not done. I will tell you a

32:26

moment. Look how crazy this world has

32:28

gone while you were in prison. the

32:30

moment Jeff that this show kind of like

32:32

lost me and I was kind of like, oh, this is

32:34

not You're just not being serious is when

32:36

you see Dominic Lumber

32:38

Dazi. from from

32:41

the wire.

32:41

Right? A a famously

32:44

bald man.

32:45

Okay. Everything you've ever seen

32:47

him in You see him with the worst goddamn

32:49

wig. You never see him wig. Oh, you

32:51

can't even you're not even taking me

32:53

seriously as an audience member. I can't take

32:56

usage. I don't know. I don't even understand why they

32:58

needed to happen with there. It

33:00

doesn't mean he would have been it would have been much

33:02

more appropriate for his part.

33:04

Like,

33:04

he because I don't know. Anyway,

33:07

I mean, not not

33:07

to Jeff, not since Brooks

33:10

Hatlen, emerged out of Shashank

33:12

into a world of cars.

33:14

Has there been a prison leaving scene

33:16

in that effect? It's it's it's

33:19

really sums up what the world is

33:21

like right now, you know? Yes. Mhmm. The

33:23

the the thing about

33:25

that that wig too is you go,

33:27

It makes you look at Stallone's hair and

33:29

go. Is that -- Yep. -- is that real

33:31

too? Real. I mean, nothing is real. I'm Stallone

33:33

at this point. So Dude, but

33:36

okay. So I I've watched episode one

33:38

of the show, which literally the

33:41

entire plot of the first

33:43

episode is Mafia

33:46

Don gets out of prison, goes to

33:49

Tulsa. There's basically a lifestyle to

33:51

Tulsa. Yeah. There's, like, a partnership with

33:53

a mob says, I'm

33:55

giving you in a dire city, which

33:57

is not true because he's just like he

33:59

could have just

33:59

driven to any city and

34:02

done The exact same thing he does. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

34:04

Giving him the city. He's the only one

34:06

there. This this makes freaking sense.

34:09

Anyway, mhmm. And then, like, at the end, he's

34:11

like, well, guess I might as well

34:13

go to Tulsa even though I'm very pissed about

34:15

this out. It's an entire scene where he's like,

34:17

there's no way I'm doing this I'm gonna

34:19

punch somebody in the mouth. Uh-huh. There's no way I'm doing

34:21

this. And at the end of the scene is, like, I'll

34:23

do it. I'll do it. The

34:26

reason that he changes his mind. other than they're like, we'll give

34:28

you five thousand dollars a week. Anyway, with the No.

34:30

No. No. He has to pay five thousand

34:32

dollars a week. That is what he is

34:34

It's hard to make. He has to earn to pay back up to them. I will the

34:36

the other funny thing is this show just doesn't

34:39

give a fuck about logic. Like, plus

34:41

-- Right. -- for anything. Like, on

34:43

his drive away from the airport where he

34:46

finds the taxi man who will become his

34:48

new, like, sidekick buddy, he's like

34:50

he drives by

34:52

a dispensary And he's like, what what is that? It just goes in

34:54

and makes the dispensary like plot

34:56

major plot point. This piece can be early when you

34:58

frame it. But the entire thing on the side of

35:01

That's all The entire plot of this first

35:03

episode is this guy is such a mafia guy.

35:05

He can just go wherever he want and do

35:07

anything he wants. and the joy of

35:09

the of watching it as an audience member is, oh my gosh, look, he

35:11

can just do whatever he wants.

35:14

But by the end,

35:16

everyone

35:16

knows

35:18

He's

35:18

there. Every the FBI knows who he is.

35:20

Yeah. But there's no

35:23

the like,

35:24

I'm having a hard time articulating this,

35:27

but he doesn't do anything

35:30

special. There's no -- Mhmm. -- there's

35:32

no reason it had to

35:34

be Tulsa there's no reason it had to be him. There's no it's

35:36

literally like the the the in

35:38

this cookie cutter. Let's go dart

35:40

at a

35:42

map. you go there and steal money from people.

35:44

Mhmm. And he just walks into

35:46

a place, punches somebody in the mouth,

35:48

it takes their money. It

35:50

sells Martin Starr. We're we're business partners

35:52

now. Yeah. You can do that. Yeah. There's

35:54

no you can do that any if

35:57

that works, which there's no reason it should.

35:59

Because Martin Starr, no one calls

36:01

the police. It doesn't

36:03

make any sense. It doesn't make

36:05

any sense. Anyway, very watchable, though, because

36:08

because of stuff that's awesome. I I will

36:10

not be continuing

36:12

to watch Tulsa king. Mhmm. But I did get a

36:14

kick out of the watch that first episode. He is

36:16

he's chewing scenery, dude. He's having

36:18

so much fun to see him

36:22

play a badass Mathioso.

36:24

It III was

36:26

tickled. Like, he he's doing it, you know?

36:28

And he's, like, not taking himself too

36:30

seriously like

36:32

you said. there's literally a woman who's like, I thought you were like a

36:34

hard fifty, and he's like, no, I'm

36:36

seventy five. She's like, oh, I'm throwing up in my

36:38

mouth. He's like, keyword is

36:40

hard. Right? Yeah. because that's that's

36:42

all that matter. What you said?

36:44

It's it's it's really something,

36:46

man. It's really something to show. I don't know

36:48

where it's going, but I I'm not

36:50

gonna watch. I I'm just like, what are other ideas Taylor didn't

36:52

have, like, written on a napkin, like, could

36:54

be turned into a, you know, star

36:56

star driven t d ship? Because

36:58

we're gonna see a ton of

37:00

You guys ever feel like Paramount Plus, which is where Tulsa can get

37:03

me found, kinda has the

37:06

the store brand

37:08

version of other shows like -- Sort of. -- like,

37:11

there is a show called mayor of East

37:13

Town on HBO the h b

37:15

o max Max. And there's literally a

37:17

show called Meijer of Kings Town on Paramount Club. Yeah.

37:19

Also also Taylor Sheridan, Chad.

37:21

I know Meijer is

37:24

spelled differently. that show.

37:26

Good. It's just kinda like, oh, you're

37:28

kinda like these, like, store brand this is the

37:30

Kirkland Signature version. One of those is

37:32

the store it. One of those is a Jeremy renter

37:34

show. Right? That's right. That's correct. Yeah. I But also, I will

37:36

not diss Paramount plus because it

37:38

is the home of many Star Trek

37:42

shows. which I know you guys have seen in play or at least like players. cartoon.

37:44

Yeah. And players can also the

37:46

good life and the good fight and

37:50

the documentary pension, which is a

37:52

very not very many people have seen, but

37:54

it's also it's actually very good.

37:56

But, yes, they have a lot of they have a lot of good stuff on there.

37:58

They have a lot of money too. Like, they are they're spending money on

37:59

the big stuff like Star Trek and everything, but

38:02

also the Good Fight just ended. So there's good

38:04

stuff there, you know. Evil's still

38:06

fantastic. You

38:08

know? Alright.

38:08

Well, that's Tulsa King. It's on Paramount Plus. Obviously, it's

38:10

the main event of this

38:12

episode of the film. Thanks. Wait. Where has been

38:14

your heart? I would love to be watching week.

38:18

Just quick shout out. I have been checking out a new Transformers

38:20

show, which exists. For

38:22

kids, it's called Transformers Earthspark.

38:25

And I started watching this because my daughter

38:27

saw TikTok in which a a

38:29

real an Optimus Prime toy

38:32

apparently this thing actually exists. It's like five hundred six

38:34

hundred dollars. but you can give

38:36

it voice commands and it will transform. It will turn from Optimus Prime

38:38

semi mode to Optimus Prime wrote up

38:40

robot mode and she was just

38:44

like, This is the coolest thing I've ever seen. And she

38:46

is now all aboard,

38:48

Transformers. So rather than get her

38:50

started with with, like, the original show, which some

38:52

of my friends

38:54

have done, like, okay. I'll check this this thing out. And this

38:56

is set. It's a modern day

38:58

show about a new species of

39:00

transformers who are trying to, like,

39:02

find their place in

39:04

the world. And also, also interesting, which I

39:06

did not realize,

39:08

there's a new voice for Optimus Prime,

39:10

and that

39:11

is alentrudedic.

39:13

And I'm

39:13

very like, I like good cartoon

39:16

voices as we just talk about Kevin Conroy. I

39:18

think Alan Tutick's doing a great job. He's doing a

39:20

great optimist. Danny Puddies,

39:22

and this is Bumblebee as well, like some

39:24

great cast people, Dietrich Baters in

39:26

here. I I think it's a really fun

39:28

show and a really, like, good

39:30

introduction of Transformers from his two kids,

39:32

it also, like, dives into the

39:34

history of the original series. So there are times

39:36

where it will go back to, like, animation from the

39:38

original show. kind of

39:40

like, I don't know, like, a glossed

39:42

up to, like, a little

39:44

fancier. But it is interesting. It's Transformers.

39:46

So if you've got a kid, you wanna get them into

39:48

Transformers like Yigir Replith, This is not

39:50

a bad place to start.

39:52

Alright. That's Transformers EarthSpark.

39:54

And Devindra, where is it

39:56

playing? Yes. also barefoot plus,

39:58

I think. Also, barefoot plus headwinds the

39:59

transformers -- Yeah. -- transformers stuff?

40:02

Okay. Yeah. Well, that is what

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Let's move on. Jeff Kanata, what have

42:05

you watched this week? I've been watching this show

42:06

called Tulsa King. I wanna talk about

42:08

a movie. Mhmm. So someone one time.

42:14

But also also --

42:16

Mhmm. -- last week, previously

42:18

on the film cast.

42:20

Last week, David

42:22

Chen told us about a movie that he was watching in this

42:24

same exact section, the what you've been

42:26

watching section. He called it

42:28

a movie that he did not enjoy,

42:32

but he but I would and he was certain DaVendra

42:34

would. Yeah. This is a movie called

42:36

Afterson, which I believe is getting a lot

42:38

of really good reviews.

42:40

Like, rapture. Like, so many people

42:42

I I respect and like have said, like, this

42:44

is their favorite film of the year. And

42:46

so There's nothing that gets me to run out to the movie theater more

42:48

than Dave going. I didn't like

42:51

it. Jeff will. think

42:53

somebody somebody more attuned to

42:57

good movies. Yeah. Uh-huh.

43:02

So so that's exactly what happened

43:04

as I rushed down to the movie theater -- Yeah.

43:06

-- to take in after sun. Yes.

43:09

And I highly recommend

43:12

this movie -- Mhmm. -- to

43:14

people that hear somebody say,

43:16

hey, I've got some

43:18

vacation videos. You

43:19

wanna watch them? And they go, yes. Vet your vet. Oh, especially,

43:21

are you a stranger that I've

43:23

never met before? Can I

43:25

watch your vacant want, yes, how

43:28

many hours of vacation videos do you have? That person If

43:30

you're that

43:30

person who's like,

43:33

oh, dude, did you just set

43:35

up a camera while you were on

43:38

vacation and and record

43:40

it? And I don't I don't know who you

43:42

are and I

43:43

have no context. Yes. Let's turn them on. Let's project

43:46

it. Damn, Jeff.

43:47

Damn. I was I

43:49

was so measured in my critique of this

43:51

movie, but you're just

43:54

freaking I think that to it, man. I think the last

43:56

two to three minutes of this

43:58

movie -- Yeah. -- are amazing.

44:01

I really do. Mhmm. I think the last two

44:03

to three minutes this movie are beautiful.

44:06

They made me

44:08

cheer up the last two to three minutes. There

44:10

seems to be a trend, gentlemen. Like,

44:12

you've been there's many movies where

44:13

you're like, well, the preceding two

44:15

hours was not

44:18

good. But do I still I don't remember seeing

44:19

it. When when I went to work examples in

44:21

recent days where you're, like, oh, but, like, the

44:24

final five minutes made it completely like,

44:27

no. I don't not saying it made it worth it. I'm

44:29

saying the last two to three minutes. Sure. Our beauty Like

44:32

us. Power power of a dog. Another

44:34

example, were you, like, were were, like,

44:37

Well Oh, yeah. In the movie,

44:39

but the ending made a decision to leave.

44:41

I mean, the decision to leave too. Yeah. Yeah.

44:43

Yeah. Decision to leave. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I

44:45

think I think power of the dog, though,

44:48

was that we rare movie where I was

44:50

like, that recontextualized the

44:52

entire movie -- Mhmm. -- and it made me love

44:54

it. That's not the case

44:56

with with after sun.

44:59

Mhmm. I found after sun

45:01

to be so self indulgent and

45:03

plotting I wanted to leave

45:05

the theater many times. No. Yeah.

45:07

I think the last two to three minutes is beautiful. I

45:09

just wish the rest of the movie -- Mhmm. -- was

45:12

that. Mhmm. But it is It

45:14

is I mean, you described it as a

45:16

hangout movie. It it I don't think that

45:18

is strong enough language

45:20

for it. It is I

45:22

was trying to be measured as I said earlier. Yes.

45:26

Yeah. It is actually a waste of time --

45:28

Yeah. -- like, yeah. Yes. This this

45:30

movie has a ninety percent run tomatoes. And

45:32

it's one of those things shift where I'm watching it. I'm,

45:34

like, I

45:34

I am, like, I'm

45:35

willing to give it a lot of latitude

45:37

because, like, literally, like, everyone I

45:40

know of and people in this podcast. Like, think this is an

45:42

incredible movie, you know? And so I'm like,

45:44

yeah. Okay. You know, I'm watching the first twenty

45:46

minutes. I'm like, okay.

45:48

Like, still have no idea

45:50

what's going on, but literally nothing happens. You

45:52

know? Like, yeah. Something's gonna happen

45:54

soon. And I was like, okay. Pretty soon, I gotta find

45:56

out what this movie's got. And and in fact, I think think

45:58

I would argue Jeff is, like, you know, under

46:00

like, not giving the movie enough credits,

46:02

you know, in some ways, like --

46:04

Mhmm. -- I do think that

46:06

There is

46:07

a dialogue in this movie between

46:08

the past and the present

46:10

that is kind of interesting

46:14

but the movie does very little to, like, help you

46:16

out with like I said, what's going on?

46:18

The last few minutes of

46:20

the movie, brings

46:22

that dialogue into into

46:24

focus -- Yes. -- and I

46:26

wish the rest of the movie had

46:29

I wish I had been part of that

46:31

dialogue -- Mhmm. -- throughout the entire runtime, because I think that's

46:33

an interesting it's an interesting thing to

46:35

be saying. Right? movie,

46:38

like So okay. After son

46:40

is a movie about a young

46:42

father and his daughter on vacation.

46:45

Okay? Yep.

46:47

And there's it's just

46:48

moments. And and there I mean, the the camera

46:50

will, like, just, like, stare

46:52

at the sky for

46:54

minutes at a time. Yep. Yep.

46:57

you know, and you'll see maybe

46:59

a bird or, like, somebody in

47:01

a parachute. That's

47:04

that's that's the whole scene. That's the whole scene.

47:06

Yep. So it's it's like it's very ponderous.

47:08

It's very slow.

47:10

It has

47:11

it's not attempting

47:13

to do anything It just

47:15

wants you to be there with them. And

47:18

ultimately, it's because I think

47:20

I'm just reading into it. I haven't read up about

47:22

this movie, but it seems pretty clear to me that

47:25

it it feels autobiographical or

47:27

at least, you

47:30

know, it it it feels

47:32

like it is it is pulling

47:34

from this feeling of of

47:36

what it was like when I

47:38

hang out with my dad or or when people

47:40

hang out with their dad. And Ultimately,

47:42

what I was thinking through most of this movie is, man, I

47:46

wanna go on vacation with my kids.

47:48

Like, I wanna, like, take my daughter on vacation when

47:50

she's a

47:52

little older. or I wanna take my

47:54

son on vacation with it. Like, the movie evokes that feeling.

47:56

But I wanna be doing that

47:58

instead of watching

47:59

this movie. Wow.

48:02

Well, guys. You know you

48:05

know what

48:05

this means? Yeah. David, I know I know I know I

48:07

know what my thought is. David, you have to see it

48:09

and you deliver us the

48:11

positive review of Afghanistan that's

48:14

going to redeem the credibility of the film

48:16

guest. I know what my role

48:18

is here. Good,

48:20

Jeff. It sounds like it did not connect with you, and I feel the

48:22

I feel the same way. And -- Mhmm.

48:25

-- I'm like after

48:26

burned, Yeah. No.

48:28

Nothing. So, like, it's a double

48:30

whammy avenger because I

48:32

didn't get the sweet satisfaction of

48:35

liking something that Dave did not. Mhmm. And,

48:37

also, Dave made me endure it. Like, his

48:40

-- Oh, he will comment. --

48:42

the reason that I had to sit

48:44

through this interminable

48:46

movie. Mhmm. Mhmm. But So

48:48

it's real it's a real it's a real chen double

48:51

whammy is what I'm saying. I

48:53

will say, I will recommend

48:56

that there's

48:58

been a lot of writing about this movie that I think is

49:00

really good. Like, one example,

49:02

Sam Adams at slate dot com wrote after some has the best final shot

49:04

of any movie in years. Great.

49:07

And and I read that

49:09

piece. It's not enough. It's

49:11

a it's a great it's a great piece

49:13

that I recommend reading and I read it and

49:15

I'm like, still don't feel anything about the movie. Like,

49:17

that's kind of how I thought after I

49:19

read that, I was like, okay, that's a great explanation of

49:22

what that the final shot is. But, like, I'm

49:24

like, still didn't get me

49:26

to to appreciate the movie as I any anyway. Like,

49:28

if intellectually I

49:30

understand what this movie is attempting to do.

49:32

Yes. I think so. I just think it completely

49:34

fails on

49:36

the fundamental job of entertaining me or

49:38

interesting me in in in

49:40

in its characters or

49:42

plot or anything like that. It

49:44

just doesn't it it fails on the

49:46

sort of fundamental job of a movie for

49:48

most of the movie -- Mhmm. -- in my

49:50

opinion. Alright. Well, that's after

49:52

sun. It's available right now in

49:54

limited release. and Jeff

49:56

and I did not appreciate it very much.

49:58

And my guess is different your will or

50:00

else truly we are screwed as

50:02

I mean, listen, if we if we were being rotten to made a rated based

50:04

on our collective reviews, like, there there is

50:06

no hope for this movie now. It's officially gonna

50:10

be rotten. Right. Is it is it true? Is it if you like it? Too

50:12

small. Right? Isn't it isn't

50:14

it fresh if it's over sixty percent,

50:16

I think? Which can't be

50:18

can't be with two two of us not like it. Yeah. You're

50:20

you're right. That's true. Yeah. That's a

50:22

math worse. Jeff,

50:25

what else have you been watching this week other than that? I

50:27

just wanna quickly mention, you know, Deirdre

50:29

mentioned an animated show he's watching with his

50:31

kids. I also checked out a new animated show

50:33

that hit Disney plus My kids

50:36

love the Zootopia film.

50:38

They've watched it many times and

50:40

therefore so have I. And there

50:42

there is now a series of shorts that he

50:45

just hit

50:45

Disney Plus called

50:48

Zootopia Plus. And

50:50

they're delightful. And one of the things I

50:52

love most about them, you know, I we

50:54

talk a lot about Blueie and Blueie

50:56

is a constant in my home. But

50:59

one of the joys of Blue. One of the best things about

51:01

Blueie is that the episodes are, like, seven

51:04

minutes. So they always fit

51:06

in. You can go. You can have bedtime be.

51:08

Okay. One blueie before bed or maybe

51:10

two blueies if you're really good. But

51:12

not you're not getting into like a twenty two to twenty

51:15

five half an hour long show. You're in, you're out,

51:17

you're into bed. And

51:20

I that is the case with zootopia

51:22

plus as well. These are short like

51:24

nine minute episodes. I love that.

51:27

They are fully CG animated

51:30

to look in, you know, just

51:32

exactly the same as the film as the film

51:34

version. It's not a step backwards. It's not

51:36

a different animation style. It looks exactly like this

51:38

was edited out of the movie. And in

51:40

fact, several of the episodes were not

51:42

several. There's only six, I think. so

51:46

far. But a couple of the

51:48

episodes literally

51:49

are like

51:50

gaps in the movie's plot that

51:52

you get to see. Oh, wow, the movie was going on. This was

51:55

happening. And that's always fun. I enjoyed that.

51:57

They get a lot of that same voice

51:59

actors back and including actress

52:02

Elba. And they're just they're just fun. They're just silly, goofy,

52:04

fun, good good stuff. And

52:06

I think it's a rich, interesting,

52:09

world, you know, this anthropomorphized animals that

52:12

live in this, you know, zoo

52:14

city. And they're, you know, highly

52:16

recommended if you have kids and they like

52:18

zootopia do not miss zootopia plus

52:20

on Disney plus. That's fun. That's

52:22

fun. Did you I

52:24

thought it was weird that they're called

52:26

zootopia plus. You know what I'm saying? Like I agree. It it feels like it's a

52:28

service where you can get me to zootopia. It's

52:31

an odd nomenclature.

52:33

It it doesn't It's

52:36

Maybe it's something they're just giving up, you

52:38

know. And it feels like harmful on the SEO

52:40

as well. Like, that's not -- Yeah. -- useful? I

52:42

don't know. I don't get it. It it's Disney. It

52:44

doesn't matter. Like, a brief aside, did

52:46

you guys see the studio ghibli sort

52:48

of tariff with Disney plus gosh.

52:51

I think I sent it to you guys. Yeah. Yeah. The the

52:53

lead up to that by the way,

52:55

which they teased one day it was just

52:57

like, what was it? It was ghibli.

52:59

teasing the Lucas film logo. We were

53:01

all like, oh, hello.

53:04

What's going on here? In the next day, it was

53:08

a photo of Miyazaki. It was Yoda in the foreground.

53:10

Miyazaki in the background. Like, in

53:12

bokeh, in blurred, but, like, you you know that base,

53:14

you know that beer. Like, what

53:16

is happening? Yeah. No. I think that's the first

53:18

day's thing with the Lucas Lucas Arts

53:20

logo was like, oh, studios you

53:22

believe with with -- Mhmm. -- starts,

53:24

like, it can't be a Miyazaki joint

53:26

though. He's not gonna be involved. And it's like,

53:28

oh, day two. It's literally putting

53:30

Yoda with his okay. Or and the the

53:32

ultimate thing is, like, it is a three minute

53:34

short Groku and the dust bunnies. I have to

53:36

say my daughter really enjoyed it because we would

53:38

like the the dust bunnies

53:40

or the sitspikes that are in Toro, and they also show up again in

53:42

spirited away, and she she always likes his

53:44

little characters. So it was fun to see, like,

53:46

Roku do this. It is

53:48

a little Three minutes of hand drawn animation.

53:50

It just looks beautiful and kinda gives us the idea of, like, what would it be

53:52

like? If we got a full on, you know,

53:54

Groku story or something, like, in

53:58

Ghibli style, I don't know. Maybe they're testing the waters, but I don't know if that's

53:59

the virus. Yeah. Yeah. I hope there's more

54:02

more to come.

54:04

For sure. Just

54:06

so I'm clear, this was a a multiple minute short

54:08

that was released in a minute. Three minutes of three

54:10

minutes of me. It's on Disney plus, not on the

54:12

Internet. I see. I see. Yeah. Yeah. I

54:15

I did see the teases online. It didn't see the Disney plus tags. So It's it's

54:17

a pretty big deal too. Yeah. And also, I think a

54:19

lot of people are thinking, like, what is gonna have

54:21

to see you ghibli? Like, post

54:24

Miyazaki. And I also

54:25

am wondering like, is this

54:27

Disney just like, hey, buddy,

54:29

we sure

54:30

took good care of Star Wars after

54:33

another bearded tree eater left. We're just we're

54:35

just gonna hang around. Let's be friends. Let's

54:37

make some shorts together. I am a little

54:39

worried about that part. but so far it seems

54:41

like a cool little short. Mhmm. I also wanna say, you know,

54:43

kudos to Disney Plus. Mhmm. I think this

54:45

is the the the

54:48

promise of streaming or or at least the the benefit of streaming service is

54:51

that you can do you can do a

54:53

three minute thing. Like, just put a three minute thing

54:55

on your service. That's cool. Put

54:58

but six minute, seven minute, eight minute, Zootopia shows.

55:00

Like, I love that streaming

55:02

services go, hey, there's no

55:05

rules, and and I think Disney plus is doing it better than most --

55:07

Mhmm. -- where it's not we don't have they don't have to

55:09

be full shows. We'll put on this weird

55:11

Star Wars Landscapes

55:14

thing that's just like this meditative look at, you know,

55:16

is flying over Star Wars planets.

55:18

Let's reuse content as much as

55:20

possible. I mean, I yeah. I

55:22

mean, that Yes. That's a

55:24

cynical way, I guess. But but I think it's it's I think

55:26

it's cool. I think it's cool. I know. Maybe it is

55:28

cool, but it is a really smart

55:30

wave recycling stuff they've already made. So we we are seeing

55:32

a lot of that too.

55:34

Yeah. Alright. Well, that's

55:35

YouTube plus. It's on Disney plus.

55:37

Gentlemen, I have

55:38

a question to ask

55:40

you. when you are going on to an aeroplane.

55:42

And I say

55:43

aeroplane. Yes.

55:48

What What

55:48

are the principles you use when

55:50

deciding what to download onto your

55:52

iPad or iPhone to watch? I

55:56

mean, principles. principal?

55:58

We have rules. What what I want

56:00

to watch? Is that a

56:02

principle? I guess I guess, you know, are you try like,

56:04

for me, you know, I'll just give you

56:06

an example. Like, there's certain kind

56:09

of moods and moods I am in

56:11

when I'm on a plane. Like, I

56:13

almost never do work

56:15

on planes. wow. Some people like, yeah. They

56:17

they have their Excel sheets and their

56:19

Word ducks and such and such. And

56:21

they're silicone chips and such.

56:23

Well, they're on planes. Yeah. You really get business, Dave. Yeah.

56:26

Yeah. You know, they do a business. They go to the

56:28

the business factory and do a business, you know? And so

56:30

they need to prepare to do a business

56:32

thing. Sure. I don't

56:33

do that. I'm like, I just can't

56:34

focus on that when I'm on a plane. You know?

56:36

Literally a trapped environment.

56:41

where you can't do anything else. Free of

56:43

all the distractions of real life. Like, the

56:45

perfect time to work. Like,

56:48

too antsy. What do I what what yeah. What do I what the

56:50

rest of my life good for that, David?

56:52

So Anyway,

56:56

I will just say that my

56:58

iPad watch list is

57:00

chaos, guys. It's just Mhmm. It's a

57:03

random assortment of things that I might feel like watching while

57:05

I'm on a plane. Yeah. And

57:06

it's the best way

57:07

to roll. Like, don't plan too much. It's not you

57:10

gotta it's gotta be it's gotta

57:12

be mood liquid. You know what

57:14

I mean? It's gotta be Okay. Like, do you have with

57:17

your mood? Mhmm. Well speaking of mood liquid,

57:19

I watched the movie called Pleasure on the

57:22

plane. I see.

57:23

I did by

57:24

Ninja

57:26

Thiberg. And

57:28

this movie is on Showtime right

57:30

now. You can also buy it on VOD. I'd

57:32

heard about it. I think it debuted at Sundance

57:34

last year, if I'm not mistaken.

57:36

And it's a pretty

57:38

good movie. It's a pretty good

57:39

movie. It

57:42

basically depicts what

57:44

it is like for a woman trying

57:46

to become famous in

57:48

the porn industry. And it's

57:50

rare to kind of get And you

57:53

were like, dude. Plain Yeah. Hey, everybody.

57:55

Look at what I'm watching. I

57:56

got the biggest screen iPads, so

57:59

you can

57:59

all see. what are the

58:02

principles you use to

58:04

decide what you're watching on a plane?

58:06

Well, what can make the people sitting next to be the

58:08

most uncomfortable? That is actually the

58:10

main principle of how I am not the

58:12

one. Well, you know, I am

58:14

gonna say, you should not watch

58:16

pleasure on a play. Oh, David.

58:19

How would you

58:22

how could you possibly know that

58:24

pleasure would be not a good plane I

58:26

mean, but what about it? Could possibly dip you off? Dude, this

58:29

isn't the moment to press play.

58:31

Yeah. Yeah. I I mean, you know,

58:33

I'm just gonna say that

58:36

I had to do some reorienting

58:38

of the screen, but I'm

58:40

confident that no one else

58:44

was exposed to this. He's putting his tray table down if he get

58:48

my drink. There's

58:52

movement under the blanket.

58:54

Yeah. But

58:55

you guys are you

58:58

guys are correct. It is a very

59:00

graphic film. so I would not watch it on the plane. Yeah. That's exactly what I will

59:02

not watch the plane.

59:04

Oh, did you watch this movie to

59:06

completion, if you know what

59:08

I mean? I I completed the movie.

59:10

Anyway, it's right all the way to credits,

59:12

buddy. You're

59:14

just undaunted. I'm

59:16

daunted. Well, I I started and I'm not gonna stop now just because

59:18

of these other people.

59:20

As I mentioned, I'm

59:22

confident that no one else was

59:25

I I was able You the right

59:27

person behind you saw and the crack

59:29

between the seats. Hey, man.

59:31

I'm just I'm just saying I took

59:33

I took steps. Okay? I took steps. that

59:35

seven would be not

59:38

watching. Jeff,

59:39

you okay. This

59:42

is amazing. Yeah. Anyway, the movie is very good. And, you know, it it

59:44

obviously is from it

59:46

takes the

59:47

the female perspective of this industry,

59:49

which is generally not

59:51

something that's done. The main actress

59:54

Sofia Capell is fearless

59:57

in this room. Mhmm. But,

1:00:00

yeah, it's it's a brutal watch. And so

1:00:02

it's not also brutal, also

1:00:04

brutal. Oh, my god. Yeah. You know,

1:00:06

fellas, what kind of port do you like to

1:00:08

see on plane? just asking. Yeah. Yeah. In

1:00:11

a in a public setting.

1:00:14

Yeah.

1:00:17

David was like, oh, you know, I forgot my earphones

1:00:20

too. Oh, well. I'm really quiet.

1:00:22

But it's play it loud. Play it loud. So I can hear

1:00:24

over the buzz of the plane,

1:00:26

you know? Just wanna just wanna

1:00:28

reemphasize -- Mhmm. -- you

1:00:30

know, I I took steps to

1:00:32

make sure that no one

1:00:34

else could see what was on the iPads.

1:00:36

Alright? What did you get watching

1:00:38

underneath that

1:00:40

hoodie? Yeah. Any other

1:00:42

movie's pleasure, and it's available on Showtime

1:00:44

and also video demand. So Amazing,

1:00:46

Dave. Amazing. Another thing

1:00:48

I watched was Darren Brown's

1:00:52

sacrifice. This is

1:00:54

this is a

1:00:57

Netflix special with Darren Brown. You guys are Darren Brown. He's, like, a

1:00:59

mentalist -- Yeah. -- story about him a lot on

1:01:01

the show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mostly because you

1:01:03

you watch his stuff all the time.

1:01:05

Right? You love this guy? I mean, I think he's fascinating. He's

1:01:07

a fascinating guy. Anyway, there's a there's a

1:01:10

special called

1:01:14

sacrifice that he made, which is one of the most

1:01:16

unhinged things I've ever seen in my life. Basically,

1:01:18

he, like, tries to get a racist

1:01:20

to sacrifice himself for

1:01:24

someone he purportedly hates? Yes.

1:01:26

A a Mexican person. Yeah. Exactly.

1:01:28

He's like the surface does not like Mexican

1:01:32

illegal immigrants. Mhmm. And you're moving on from hardcore and you do the the

1:01:34

human sacrifice. Wow.

1:01:36

I like how we started this

1:01:38

whole conversation with what are the

1:01:41

principles that you use -- Yeah. --

1:01:43

and the funny facts and violence, the

1:01:45

most possible, please. Anyway,

1:01:49

this is This is really

1:01:51

interesting because it's basically like a combination

1:01:53

of Nathan Fielders,

1:01:56

the rehearsal, or David Thinkers the game

1:01:58

combined

1:01:59

with, like, the

1:02:00

Truman Show. Basically,

1:02:02

you know, it's, like,

1:02:04

And and there's always a question when you're watching

1:02:06

a Darrell Brown thing of, like, how much of this

1:02:08

is real? Like -- Yeah. Yeah. --

1:02:12

Danny Saeed, put it very well on Twitter.

1:02:14

He's like, you the viewer

1:02:16

are Darren Brown's ultimate mark.

1:02:18

Right? So, like -- Yeah. -- I

1:02:20

I don't believe anything you know, that I really

1:02:22

saw actually happened, but it's interesting to

1:02:24

reflect on.

1:02:25

But I I just

1:02:26

thought this is one of the most unhinged

1:02:28

wildly unethical things I've ever watched.

1:02:32

And I had just seen pleasure

1:02:34

on the iPad as well.

1:02:38

So Like, just really really pushing how how you're feeling about

1:02:40

Humana. Yeah. All all the

1:02:42

ones. It's funny you bring up Nathan

1:02:44

Fielder too because I've

1:02:46

been thinking after after after these midterm elections and

1:02:48

everything, I'm like, what if Skye is

1:02:50

just, like, his next show was just gonna

1:02:52

run for

1:02:54

office and gain as much power possible. Nathan

1:02:56

Fielder, you know, taking charge

1:02:58

of America. How how how long

1:03:00

would that go? You know, how far could

1:03:03

he go? Because it it wouldn't be as crazy as some of

1:03:05

the things I'm seeing down here in Georgia. So, you

1:03:08

know, that would

1:03:10

be something. something is slogan already

1:03:12

right there, Nathan. For you? For

1:03:16

you. Well, anyway, if you wanna see

1:03:18

a really wildly unhinged

1:03:20

special in which Darren

1:03:22

Brown tries to use psychological manipulation to

1:03:24

get a racist to sacrifice himself

1:03:27

for someone else. Mhmm. used

1:03:29

to watch Darren Brown's sacrifice. It's it's just

1:03:32

like he's pushing the lot like,

1:03:34

everything he's doing just like it's it's like very similar

1:03:36

to watching a Nathan Field Like, everything he's doing

1:03:38

is, like, pushing the line to the next What what is the

1:03:40

outcome you're hoping to see in this

1:03:42

situation, though? Yeah. I

1:03:44

don't I don't know. You know why? Like, you

1:03:46

can play. called Darren Brown's sacrifice. I assume

1:03:48

you heard the plot premise before it began. Right?

1:03:51

Or were you going to this Well, I think I had started

1:03:53

watching it before, and I was like, this is one of the

1:03:55

most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Stop. I gotta save this

1:03:57

human sacrifice for the plane. But

1:03:59

now that I'm on a plane, this is the

1:04:02

perfect time. This is literally, like, hey, let's watch

1:04:04

this guy kill I mean,

1:04:06

kill races one at a

1:04:08

time, which I would watch -- Yeah. -- to

1:04:10

be honest.

1:04:12

Alright. They're brand sacrifices on

1:04:14

Netflix. It's four years old, so it's not a new thing. It just

1:04:16

is like, I have you know, like,

1:04:18

I'm I'm frantically browsing the iPad

1:04:20

before I hop on the plane to, like,

1:04:22

one to watch. And so Too awesome. We'll make people uncomfortable too awesome.

1:04:29

So that is Darren Brown's algorithm. And then

1:04:32

finally, the Crown season five.

1:04:34

Mhmm. The Crown season five debuted

1:04:36

this week. We're actually covering on a decoding

1:04:38

TV. I'm covering And

1:04:40

I have watched seven episodes

1:04:42

of a new season. And I

1:04:44

wanted to just say the first episode

1:04:46

of the Crown season five It's

1:04:49

awful. It's one of the

1:04:52

worst episodes of the entire series

1:04:54

run -- Mhmm. -- of an otherwise very

1:04:56

good series overall. Yeah. I feel like you're getting the full

1:04:58

crown experience now. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

1:05:00

and and then anyway, like, I have to

1:05:02

say this season has been quite

1:05:04

weird. Like, it's I don't

1:05:06

think it's great. One of the big like, all the

1:05:08

marketing or from my

1:05:10

perspective, a lot of the marketing has

1:05:12

been around

1:05:14

Elizabeth DeBicki showing up

1:05:16

as princess Diana. Now and Dominic West

1:05:18

and Dominic West is prince Charles. Now,

1:05:20

Jeff Catada, in the

1:05:22

previous aftermarket, you have complained about

1:05:25

rough casting changes. Right? Like,

1:05:27

in House of Dragon. Right?

1:05:29

Like, House of Dragon changes cast. They they don't

1:05:31

do anything to help you when they

1:05:34

train cast. The crown, in my opinion, does a much better job.

1:05:36

Like, basically, every two years, they change --

1:05:38

Mhmm. -- to a whole different set of cast

1:05:40

members. Right? And they

1:05:42

always try to make it a smooth

1:05:44

transition. Like, they always, like, show

1:05:46

who the before character

1:05:48

was and you know, like, in the case of the Crown it's

1:05:50

like, they show the

1:05:52

new person playing Elizabeth Melvastatin,

1:05:56

having a physical exam. Right?

1:05:59

it And somebody

1:06:00

typing in her name into, like,

1:06:02

a dossier on a computer, basically.

1:06:05

Like, So like, oh, this is the deal, Liz. You know what I'm saying? Like

1:06:07

-- Yeah. -- kinda ease you into

1:06:10

it. But

1:06:10

what is very

1:06:11

hard to ease into is the fact that

1:06:14

Elizabeth DeBicki

1:06:16

is I think like six foot

1:06:18

three. And she replaces

1:06:20

Emma Korn as princess Diana who is like

1:06:22

five foot six,

1:06:24

I think. So Santa Cruz Santa Cruz. Santa Cruz,

1:06:26

like, six inches basically

1:06:28

or seven inches and it towers.

1:06:31

over literally everyone else at the show.

1:06:34

Mhmm. But that's and this is historically

1:06:36

accurate. Isn't that Yeah. I think that she's a

1:06:38

little taller. than Diane was I I

1:06:40

think that's your way, but it's just kinda weird when, like,

1:06:42

you're going from one season to the next.

1:06:44

And all of a sudden, the per like, a person used to

1:06:46

be normal height. And then now they're, like,

1:06:48

taller than ever Yeah. But now

1:06:50

this Diana can drive a car from the back seat with

1:06:52

her. Yeah.

1:06:56

So but the the thing I was gonna say is

1:06:58

Elizabeth Dubiquis is awesome as Princess Diana.

1:07:02

Mhmm. But the

1:07:04

show is like, in the first seven episodes,

1:07:06

the show is barely about her

1:07:08

in my opinion. Like, she has

1:07:11

probably less than ninety minutes of screen time out

1:07:13

estimate. Like, it's really

1:07:16

surprising how little she's in this season

1:07:18

so far. I I assume it's gonna wrap

1:07:20

up and be more prominent in next

1:07:22

season. But, like, it's kind of

1:07:24

one of the draws for the show

1:07:26

is seeing

1:07:26

this whole dynamic

1:07:28

stuff depicted. And it's like,

1:07:30

she's not even really in it that much. So

1:07:32

whenever Princess Diana's not on screen, the

1:07:34

audience should be asking, we're Princess Diana,

1:07:36

and that's exactly what I was doing.

1:07:40

So the Crown season five, terrible first

1:07:42

episode, decent

1:07:44

other episodes, and

1:07:46

a startling lack of Princess Diana played

1:07:48

by Elizabeth Dubiqui who does a wonderful job in what I've

1:07:51

seen. Right? So that's the Crown season five

1:07:53

on Netflix. I'm definitely gonna watch the rest and --

1:07:55

Mhmm. -- there's one more season

1:07:58

left. for the show. Overall, I think the crown is brilliant, but this season

1:08:00

has been pretty uneven. So

1:08:02

Dave, I feel bad for the couple

1:08:06

on your flight that are still mourning the death of the queen too, like,

1:08:08

this guy. That's funny that we're

1:08:10

not gonna be. That's even because Steven's

1:08:12

sacrifice. and this wound is

1:08:14

still fresh. Oh, dare you.

1:08:16

Hold on, Devindra. Well, no.

1:08:18

Good. That was good, Devina.

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Weekly plug is a part

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talk about

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something else we've been making

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I wanna mention a couple of podcast

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episodes that I've made, decoding reality. At decoding reality, a dot TV

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is a little podcast experiment I'm doing with my wife where

1:10:48

this year

1:10:51

or this fall. I guess talking about Love is Blinds season

1:10:54

three, which just had its season

1:10:56

finale.

1:10:58

the

1:10:59

This show is bad and

1:11:01

messy, and I feel bad for watching it. And you can hear me navigate that

1:11:03

over a decoding reality

1:11:07

about TV. I'm sensing a trend here. Yeah.

1:11:10

Yeah. Also, I

1:11:12

am talking about the white lotus

1:11:15

with roxanna Hadati from Vulture. over

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decoding t v dot com. Okay. Check that out at podcast

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dot decoding t v dot com. Why about this decent season so far? We'll see how

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it goes. I'm seeing a lot of mixed reviews

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of a season but

1:11:26

I'm enjoying it so far. You know, this show

1:11:28

I hope continues to be, like, just a

1:11:30

nice escape from the world while watching,

1:11:32

you know, rich people be terrible. who's kind of

1:11:35

fun in that respect. Yeah. I don't know, Devendra. I feel

1:11:37

like I can see rich people be terrible every

1:11:39

day on Twitter. Yeah. But Or or

1:11:41

are you not getting beautiful shots

1:11:43

of Sicily on Twitter? That's true. That's true. DaVinder

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hardware, your weekly plex. A couple of things. Over to

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Engadget, I talked with the folks behind

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Magic Leap. Remember that AR glasses company? They raised

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like two billion dollars and everyone's like, oh,

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man, you're a total failure. It turns

1:11:57

out they raised another one

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point five

1:11:59

billion dollars After that, and

1:12:02

they're

1:12:02

still making headsets, and I talked about the technical aspects of the Magic Leap two,

1:12:07

which honestly looks kind of astounding and go

1:12:09

take a look at my, you know, report there. I'm still not sure when these AR AR glasses will

1:12:11

be like a thing for

1:12:14

regular humans, but I think

1:12:16

for some businesses and people who

1:12:18

are using these things in, like, the field, it can actually be pretty cool. And the just

1:12:20

this morning, my

1:12:23

review of the NVIDIA RTX forty eighty graphics card

1:12:25

just went up. I know a lot of people are excited about that one because it's not

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as expensive as the forty

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ninety. So go check out

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my review. It's pretty cool, but I'm

1:12:34

still excited to see, like, what the cheaper cards are gonna be like this year. Alright. Check

1:12:36

out those links from Devinger. As always,

1:12:38

we leave weekly plugs in the show notes.

1:12:42

and Jeff Kanata. You're a

1:12:43

weekly plug. Well,

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I I do

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Carbone and This

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last episode that just came out is one

1:13:01

of our favorites. Every year,

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we highlight the

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big Nobel prizes. which a fascinating, a

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fascinating award kind of

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tongue in cheek, but

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really still cool. They

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are given to

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Innovations

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and, you know, science discoveries that are off

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the beaten path, little

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strange, little weird, little different,

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but

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still super super interesting. And we cover a number of them

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on this week's episode. So I I urge

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1:14:02

Alright,

1:14:02

folks. It's time to get to

1:14:04

our

1:14:05

review of Black

1:14:07

Panther Wakanda forever. Only

1:14:13

the

1:14:15

most broken people.

1:14:18

can be

1:14:24

great leaders. They're

1:14:38

not calling him,

1:14:41

or king. They

1:14:44

call him god.

1:14:48

The feather serpent god.

1:14:51

Killing him. We'll

1:14:55

risk it now, war. He's

1:14:57

coming for

1:14:59

the surface

1:15:03

world. You

1:15:04

are listening to or watching the film cast. This

1:15:06

is our review of Black Panther Wakanda Forever. I'm gonna read

1:15:08

the plot summary of this movie from IMBB.

1:15:10

The people of Wakanda fight to protect

1:15:14

their home from intervening world

1:15:16

powers as they mourn the

1:15:18

death of King Tichalla. movie

1:15:20

is written by Ryan Kugler and

1:15:23

Joe Rubber Cole and directed by Ryan Coogler. During your

1:15:25

hardware, obviously, Black Panther

1:15:27

was a phenomenon one

1:15:31

of the best reviewed, best performing superhero films

1:15:33

of all time. I think

1:15:35

we all really enjoyed

1:15:37

it here on the

1:15:40

podcast. And Obviously, we're really looking

1:15:42

forward to the glide path Black Panther two. Unfortunately, there's been tragic developments

1:15:44

-- Mhmm. --

1:15:47

with Chadwick Boseman's passing And

1:15:50

so a lot of open questions about

1:15:52

what would happen to Black Panther two and

1:15:54

how they would change the plot. And

1:15:57

I do wanna acknowledge that there was

1:15:59

a story that they had written featuring Chadwick Boseman, and they decided to change

1:16:01

the path that they took

1:16:03

for this movie. The

1:16:06

biggest thing they did, obviously, is incorporating King

1:16:08

to Charles' death into the

1:16:10

movie itself. Right? And mirrors Chadwick

1:16:14

Boseman's death and and how the

1:16:17

people involved with the movie were also mourning

1:16:19

the passing of their friend. But Putting

1:16:22

that aside, I am curious, overall,

1:16:24

what did you think a Black Panther will

1:16:26

kind of forever? I mean, I I'm

1:16:28

still chewing this movie and still thinking

1:16:30

quite a bit about it, but my first reaction was

1:16:32

honestly a bit of befuddlment and

1:16:34

confusion. I feel like so

1:16:37

much of

1:16:38

this movie falls prey to

1:16:40

the second movie problems that

1:16:42

Marvel series tend to have. So I'm thinking Iron Man two, Guardians two.

1:16:44

We don't talk

1:16:47

about Thor two because That

1:16:49

was even more or less in the first movie, but

1:16:52

kind of the same issue there. This is a strange movie, you know, because it is it's

1:16:54

dealing with grief. I feel like it begins and ends with grief, and that is such

1:16:56

a big

1:16:59

portion of, like, what is

1:17:00

happening and what's driving these characters.

1:17:02

And it is kind of asking

1:17:06

to see them basically honor, Patrick

1:17:08

Boseman, in this movie. Like, the the movie starts

1:17:10

with a funeral and in my theater, which was filled

1:17:14

with, like, people at one of the, you know, one

1:17:16

of the first Thursday screenings, people

1:17:18

were just, like, openly crying within

1:17:21

two minutes of this

1:17:23

movie opening because it's it's celebrating Chadwick. Like,

1:17:25

his image is everywhere, and it kinda it does

1:17:27

remind you of, like,

1:17:31

man, he brought so much to the MCU. He

1:17:33

was so fantastic in Black Panther, and he was just taken from us

1:17:35

too early. So that moment where I'm just

1:17:38

thinking, like, the moment where it's not even

1:17:40

you spoiler. instead

1:17:42

of the, like, triumphant Marvel logo,

1:17:44

you know, going into the

1:17:46

movie. After the funeral, it's silence

1:17:49

and it's also images of Chadwick

1:17:51

from the MCU. And I feel like that was, like,

1:17:53

that even made me tear up a little bit. It's a

1:17:55

it's a emotion the opening of

1:17:57

this movie and the way a pays tribute to

1:17:59

Tethr postponement is an emotional gut punch.

1:18:02

The way they redo the Marvel

1:18:04

Studios logo is really beautiful Jeff,

1:18:06

I know you you also had a similar

1:18:08

reaction. Right? So I did. Yeah. It's it's

1:18:10

it's beautiful. And -- Yeah. -- it's it's really

1:18:12

lovely. really lovely. You you

1:18:14

know, I didn't see it coming. I didn't know.

1:18:16

You know, and and we're so used to that Marvel logo featuring

1:18:18

all the different heroes and have it just be him.

1:18:23

in complete silence. It it is And it it felt like

1:18:25

longer. It felt like longer than we usually go it

1:18:27

felt like they feel

1:18:29

like we're all holding our breath just like Dan

1:18:31

Yeah. It it felt like they really, like Mhmm. -- took tie like, in

1:18:33

that logo, just literally in the logo. They

1:18:35

took time to, like, give

1:18:38

you an appreciation of the

1:18:40

fullness of Bozman's contributions to the MC. Like, it's not just

1:18:42

like, oh, she a couple shots from Black Panther. It's like literally, like --

1:18:44

Yeah. -- you know, it's like this

1:18:46

line of cyber momos. This was our king.

1:18:49

Yeah. You know, what he is The

1:18:51

only thing that's so interesting is is how the movie doesn't spend a

1:18:53

lot of time explaining it. It really doesn't the the the line between the

1:18:55

actor passing and character

1:18:59

passing is is blurred. It is it is literally

1:19:01

like we all we assume you

1:19:03

know, we know we're

1:19:05

acknowledging it. It's a

1:19:08

big deal. you know, you know, you'll

1:19:10

just, you know, it's not like, oh, we're gonna, you know, spend half an hour talking about how he

1:19:13

how he it's

1:19:16

just He's dead. I'm sorry.

1:19:18

It's sad. Everybody's sad. And it feels like the actors themselves in those moments are mourning

1:19:21

Chadwick as

1:19:24

much as playing the plot, you know.

1:19:26

Yeah. You can you can definitely see it in in the characters and everything. So I think that that

1:19:28

is kind of it.

1:19:31

Like, this movie begins with

1:19:33

a sense of grief and a sense of loss.

1:19:35

And I think it never really leaves that, so that's not it it's tough. Like, I can't say,

1:19:37

oh, man, this movie wasn't as fun as Black

1:19:39

Panther one because it wasn't. it

1:19:43

doesn't even really have time to be because these characters are dealing

1:19:45

with such a significant death and dealing with,

1:19:47

like, how how they deal

1:19:49

with their grief and process it? But I I

1:19:51

think overall too, like, it it is a weird experience

1:19:53

as a movie because it feels kind

1:19:56

of slow. Like, it

1:19:58

takes a while to

1:19:59

get I think there's some great aspects of it.

1:20:02

It does highlight some of the best female characters that are in the MCU and really puts

1:20:04

them front and center.

1:20:06

Leticia Wright, I love Asurion,

1:20:09

Angela Bassett being just herself, being as

1:20:11

regal as possible. Like, so

1:20:14

many people I love

1:20:16

Mikaela Cole is in here. And we've talked about

1:20:18

her show and, like, I I love seeing her. Like, she basically expresses her love for

1:20:20

the franchise and was able to

1:20:22

get herself in there too. So

1:20:26

I love seeing that. This

1:20:28

movie is also I mean, I won't dive too

1:20:30

deeply into, like, the plot of the the other

1:20:33

folks. This movie introduces Nexmoore a character I've

1:20:35

never really had much fun this for, but

1:20:37

I think Tshankwirta does a really

1:20:39

great job of selling

1:20:41

this character who is sort of kind of like a similar

1:20:43

vibe to kill monger except I think more noble in certain respects

1:20:46

to you. Right? Like,

1:20:49

he he he is a former

1:20:51

god. Or basically, he he is sort of a god, but he's also somebody protecting this, like,

1:20:54

small community that's been safe

1:20:59

from

1:20:59

colonialism and from the terrorists of it. And

1:21:02

it is an interesting parallel to Wakanda because

1:21:04

that is

1:21:06

essentially what that secret kingdom actually was, you know.

1:21:08

So that that part kinda hit

1:21:10

me too because, hey, I am

1:21:13

I am from South America.

1:21:15

my wife's family is from Puerto Rico. I

1:21:17

have a family from all over of Latin

1:21:19

America. So the

1:21:22

troubles and, like, basically, the impact of colonialism

1:21:24

and what the Spanish did

1:21:26

to to Mexico, to South

1:21:28

America and everything, kinda hits

1:21:31

hard to me. So seeing

1:21:32

name or basically also we'll we'll talk

1:21:34

about some stuff in spoilers, but basically

1:21:35

seeing him create safe

1:21:39

space in the safe community for his people to just be

1:21:41

themselves and not not be

1:21:44

overcome by the colonialist. I

1:21:46

think is there something genuinely moving

1:21:48

there? we see a bit of

1:21:50

that community too, and it feels like seeing

1:21:52

Wakanda for the first time. Also, kinda feels like what

1:21:54

maybe we'll see in avatar two, if we

1:21:57

see underwater cities or something, like, maybe that's

1:21:59

something that could happen in that movie. I found that really fascinating.

1:22:03

This movie definitely it

1:22:06

feels like Ryan Coogler, as always, and his co writer, did their homework. And did their homework around efforts

1:22:09

of colonialism

1:22:12

and, like, what

1:22:14

that means? There are there are things in this movie that I found really compelling. Like, one of the first things they do is

1:22:19

is the Queen. basically being at a

1:22:22

UN tribunal. I guess, like, at people who are asking, like, why aren't you sharing your resources?

1:22:24

And she's like,

1:22:27

why would we? you know, because we

1:22:30

can't trust you guys. And it ends up being France who's called out for sending this, you know,

1:22:32

this tactical team to go

1:22:34

trying to steal some vibranium. also

1:22:38

funny that Haiti plays a major role

1:22:40

in this movie because France basically

1:22:42

doomed Haiti as a country making them

1:22:44

forced forcing them to pay, like,

1:22:46

ton millions of dollars worth of debt when the

1:22:49

Haiti basically freed themselves, when the

1:22:51

slaves in Haiti freed themselves and

1:22:53

tried to make their own country. So

1:22:55

the weight of colonialism is here in this movie. I

1:22:57

wish it was maybe explored a little more.

1:22:59

And in spoilers, I'll talk about, like,

1:23:01

why I think some of the Third

1:23:04

Act stuff felt kind

1:23:04

of weird because ultimately this

1:23:06

movie is about these two oppressed cultures who are kind

1:23:08

of like magical. Like, it is

1:23:10

a miracle these two cultures exist.

1:23:14

Ultimately, this movie is about them fighting each other.

1:23:16

And I do feel like that is a

1:23:18

little weird too for a movie that

1:23:21

is so smart about how it's considering world powers

1:23:23

in the state of the world today. So, yeah,

1:23:25

I I didn't come away super overjoyed

1:23:27

by this movie, but I found

1:23:29

a lot of it interesting. I

1:23:31

just wish, like, I wish, like, some of the other

1:23:33

parts work better. I think character motivations are all over the place. I don't think any of the

1:23:35

action works for me.

1:23:38

I I think there's there's maybe there's a spear fight on a

1:23:40

bridge that is like I think well done

1:23:42

and looks cool, but it seems like

1:23:45

a lot of the focus this movie has

1:23:47

to be basically getting these characters together, working in

1:23:49

Namur and his people, and also setting things

1:23:51

up for the rest of

1:23:53

the MCU. So it does

1:23:56

feel like it feels like a

1:23:58

bridge movie. It feels like a movie that doesn't really exist on its own because it has to into

1:24:04

other happening on Disney plus and future movies

1:24:06

coming too, so it can't really stand on its own either.

1:24:08

Well said,

1:24:10

Devendra, and I agree with almost everything you've said terms of

1:24:12

your thoughts on Black Panther or

1:24:14

Conifer. I'm curious, Jeff Kanata, as

1:24:17

a Marvel songwriter from way back, What did you think of Black

1:24:19

Panther Wakanda Forever? No, Dave. I

1:24:22

guess you could say,

1:24:23

what I

1:24:24

thought of Black Panther

1:24:27

Wakanda Forever is best summed

1:24:29

up in the form of

1:24:31

a limbic. There's certainly no replacing.

1:24:36

Chadwick, so it's amazing. A black

1:24:38

Panther film is still good

1:24:39

without him. I just

1:24:42

wish it

1:24:43

had better pacing. Okay.

1:24:45

Alright. But III agree with a lot of what Devinder

1:24:47

said as well.

1:24:52

I I disagree with the action.

1:24:54

I think there are two main action sequences in this movie, and

1:24:57

both of them I

1:24:59

thought were pretty spectacular. III

1:25:02

really enjoyed. I mean, there's one I mean, they're both involving water, but there's the first one you know,

1:25:04

water plays a really

1:25:06

big role. I just thought

1:25:09

there were some extremely cool

1:25:11

moments. Mhmm. But most of this movie isn't an action movie. And

1:25:17

I do think it has

1:25:19

major pacing problems. It it is trying to do so much collapses

1:25:24

a bit under the weight

1:25:26

of that burden because, you

1:25:29

know, I I feel

1:25:31

like this movie would

1:25:33

have benefited from being a an eight episode Disney plus series.

1:25:35

You know, not to take anything away,

1:25:38

but not to diminish it anyway because

1:25:40

obviously, these

1:25:42

black panther films are are huge temple events and

1:25:45

this movie is crushing into the box office.

1:25:47

But I look at something

1:25:49

like Andor, And I, you know, I

1:25:52

recognize Andor for as genius as it is

1:25:54

and as amazing as it is. It wouldn't

1:25:56

really work very well as a movie.

1:25:58

because

1:25:58

it needs to have

1:25:59

that breadth to to expand

1:26:01

and and set up things. And

1:26:03

and I think this movie would have

1:26:05

benefited from that. I think it is trying to do so

1:26:08

many things. I wish we would've

1:26:10

had, you know, six to eight

1:26:12

hours of

1:26:14

episodes that let us explore the,

1:26:16

you know, the the namor in

1:26:18

his side and and and --

1:26:20

Yeah. -- it's doing so much. Introducing

1:26:23

Iron Heart and, like, that's whole other

1:26:25

corner of this movie that just all of

1:26:27

it feels underserved and and it

1:26:30

you know, you're spending these large

1:26:33

chunks of time doing so many

1:26:35

different things in the movie is over feels

1:26:37

over long already, and it just doesn't feel well

1:26:40

paced. I I

1:26:43

found myself getting antsy and not,

1:26:45

you know, there's these

1:26:47

wonderful, indulgent in

1:26:50

a positive way. you know, underwater sequences, they're just

1:26:52

gorgeous and beautiful. But at a

1:26:54

certain point, I'm like, man, I

1:26:58

I found myself getting fatigued in this movie

1:27:00

to a certain extent. Just wanting,

1:27:02

you know, there's so many threads

1:27:06

that it's just it really feels unwieldy. Mhmm.

1:27:08

And I think if it was a series, I

1:27:10

think that would have been, you know, it

1:27:12

could have pulled off better and

1:27:14

it would have felt better paced.

1:27:17

That said, I do think the

1:27:19

movie does some amazing things. And it is extraordinary how, you

1:27:24

know, the passing, the tragic passing

1:27:26

of one actor can completely transform the Tapestry

1:27:29

of a

1:27:32

multibillion dollar universe of stories. And and the

1:27:34

fact that they're willing to go there and do that, I I thought that

1:27:37

was moving

1:27:40

in beautiful. I'm amazed by

1:27:42

what they've done with NAMOR. I mean, obviously, as a comic book

1:27:44

fan, very

1:27:48

familiar with name are huge part

1:27:50

of the Marvel universe in in

1:27:52

the comics and a a sort

1:27:54

of chaotic good character who you

1:27:56

know, has grievances is perturbed and

1:27:58

often battles the good

1:27:59

guys. And I the the

1:28:02

I

1:28:02

the reimagining of Naimo, which

1:28:05

in the comics, you know, these

1:28:07

are they are Atlantians. They're from And that all out

1:28:10

and really reinvented this

1:28:13

in a much more interesting way that really

1:28:15

has much more to say the I mean, even just from

1:28:18

an iconography perspective, it's so

1:28:22

much more interesting and and and

1:28:24

and, you know, visiting that culture

1:28:26

and visiting that undersea land and and

1:28:28

getting the entire origin story and back

1:28:31

story of how that came to be. all fascinating, but, like,

1:28:33

it

1:28:33

just makes this movie

1:28:35

completely overstuffed. And and

1:28:37

I think that's my biggest

1:28:39

problem is that

1:28:41

The pacing is really hard. I found I found the money

1:28:43

to be too

1:28:47

much, too long, too

1:28:50

long between big action set pieces,

1:28:52

you know, to to sort of be a

1:28:54

big tentpole movie like this, but so

1:28:57

full of such interesting ideas and --

1:28:59

Yep. -- sequences that are fascinating and

1:29:01

and well executed that I, you know, it's

1:29:03

certainly not a bad movie. And one, I

1:29:05

highly recommend. I think it is really good.

1:29:07

It just doesn't it it it doesn't it's

1:29:10

not a home run because it doesn't hold together.

1:29:12

It's it's not greater than the sum of

1:29:14

its parts, like the sum of its parts.

1:29:17

are great, but there's too many parts. Mhmm. Yeah.

1:29:19

Yeah. It's interesting you say pacing. Like, that's not how

1:29:21

I would think about it. It's

1:29:23

just there's literally

1:29:26

too many things to contain in one -- Yeah. -- two hour forty minute long movie. Like I think about half an hour and I was when

1:29:28

is this movie

1:29:31

actually going to start? because

1:29:34

it does feel like we got several opening scenes.

1:29:36

We got the funeral. We had the UN scene. You have the introduction of

1:29:38

of of the Atlanteans. I forget the name of, like, the actual

1:29:43

people Silicon, I think. Yeah. Silicon. Yeah. Silicon.

1:29:46

Basically, fighting Blake

1:29:49

who's it?

1:29:50

The Lake Bell? And and

1:29:52

and people are like, I know her face. Yeah. That's very confusing.

1:29:55

But we get that whole introduction too, and that

1:29:58

was a really, like, cool sequence, but it feels like the movie itself took

1:30:00

a while to get started. I I so

1:30:02

I I'll share some more thoughts on that

1:30:04

once we get the spoilers.

1:30:06

I'll just say really quickly

1:30:09

agree with virtually everything you guys have said today. I mean, I think

1:30:11

it's rare it's rare that we're so

1:30:13

aligned on a

1:30:16

movie, but I agree

1:30:18

with Richard everything you guys said. And

1:30:20

I think that as

1:30:20

much as, you know, I wanna praise

1:30:22

some of the things the movie did well,

1:30:26

It's worth praising the things the movie

1:30:28

didn't do. Sure? Mhmm. And here are

1:30:30

some things they could have done

1:30:33

that they

1:30:33

didn't do. Okay? They could

1:30:35

have used some

1:30:37

CG version of Chadwick

1:30:39

Boseman to make

1:30:42

the movie. Right. That that is a possibility of the game. Or

1:30:44

even to just do, you know, like, a

1:30:46

bridge, like, a five minute bridge sequence

1:30:48

from the last movie to this movie. Yeah. Keep

1:30:50

him in the cost assume or something. Yeah. Keep the costume. Or they

1:30:54

could have replaced

1:30:57

replace

1:30:58

the actor. who who was Chadwick Boseman? Like who Chadwick

1:31:00

was, but they could have replaced T'Challa as

1:31:02

that guy. Yeah. Just recast. They could have,

1:31:05

like, just, you know, they could

1:31:07

have integrated killmonger into

1:31:09

this movie in in

1:31:11

a bigger way. Or or,

1:31:13

like, basically, like, have someone external to to

1:31:16

tell his family, like, kind of play bigger

1:31:18

roles in -- Yes. -- swoop in and

1:31:20

be the center of the

1:31:22

fan. Exactly. Exactly. And they then choose

1:31:25

a lot of those paths. And it is

1:31:27

very sort of yeah. They

1:31:30

could have done the fast and furious method where,

1:31:32

hey, Paul Walker is, like, off with his

1:31:34

family. We're not gonna see him again. Like,

1:31:36

they could have not acknowledged the death. Right?

1:31:38

Which is, like, another path they could choose.

1:31:41

And I think the pathway chose, like, hey, we're all

1:31:43

just gonna acknowledge as said, eloquently, Jeff. we're gonna very like, we're gonna, like,

1:31:45

pay tribute to him to

1:31:48

his passing in

1:31:50

the film itself is very lovely and beautiful and, like, it's worth watching for that reason alone. because this

1:31:55

movie does that, if you, as

1:31:57

a viewer, are looking for, like, some kind of closure to this because Tadwick Boseman's passing

1:31:59

was so sudden and so tragic. Like, none of

1:32:02

us knew it wasn't, like, a long drawn

1:32:04

out declined.

1:32:07

He was like -- Mhmm. -- all of a sudden, it was he was gone.

1:32:09

He was working really hard while he was

1:32:11

very sick. Right. That's why

1:32:13

it feels so sad. Yeah. And if you as a viewer,

1:32:15

as a consumer pop culture are, like, looking for some

1:32:17

kind of closure around that. In my

1:32:20

opinion, this movie does

1:32:22

help to offer that. Like, I'm, like, really

1:32:24

complicated feelings about Chadwick Boseman's passing and, like,

1:32:26

watching this is, like, I feel like amongst

1:32:28

a group of people that also

1:32:31

love Chadwick Boseman and, like, we

1:32:33

are witnessing, you know, we're, like, recognizing the passing together. And it's kind of a way to, like, have

1:32:35

that catharsis in a in a movie. Right?

1:32:38

Which is which is, like, notable and

1:32:40

special. Everything

1:32:43

else about the movie I agree you guys. Like, it's it was

1:32:45

just way inaccurate with you too. Yeah. It

1:32:47

feels it feels like

1:32:50

it's like the Ironman

1:32:52

to for the dark world,

1:32:54

you know, like, the the iron heart stuff. Like,

1:32:56

this movie tries to do so

1:32:59

much. The iron heart stuff introducing

1:33:02

name more in their people, introducing a

1:33:04

a successor to Black Panther, like,

1:33:06

all these things. Bringing Julie

1:33:08

Louie Dreyfus into the Cinemax never have

1:33:11

Literally, every one of her scenes were awful. All of the movies.

1:33:13

All those scenes that would didn't have anything to

1:33:15

do with this movie. They're

1:33:17

all there. Literally, literally didn't need to be scenes.

1:33:19

they literally could have been a phone call. Like, it literally it's

1:33:21

it's absolutely bizarre. Some of stuff that happened.

1:33:24

So it it does feel

1:33:26

like, like, Black Panther one felt

1:33:28

like Oh, this is like a cool

1:33:30

movie that happens to be in the MCU. Mhmm. Right? Mhmm. Black Panther kind of ever feels like

1:33:32

an MCU movie

1:33:35

that happens to have black

1:33:37

Panther in it. You know? Or or,

1:33:39

you feature the Panther And And that's kind

1:33:44

of That's those

1:33:46

are my thoughts. It just it just to too And a little but is

1:33:49

really special.

1:33:52

And also, do wanna acknowledge

1:33:54

that the the name or stuff and the telecom stuff, from what I can tell -- Mhmm. -- they, like,

1:33:56

they tried to do it right. They

1:33:58

tried to do a good job with it.

1:34:02

and my sense is they they accomplish that in

1:34:04

terms of, like, for

1:34:06

instance, like, the language that they

1:34:08

speak, I I understand is, like, an ancient mind

1:34:10

language still used in parts of Next you know,

1:34:12

like, they really they this is not just, like, window the culture is not

1:34:14

just window dressing. Like, they really tried to dig in and do the work.

1:34:18

Is my sense? I I really appreciate that. Right. Like, if ever not,

1:34:21

the character and his people have, like,

1:34:23