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Hello everyone and

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welcome to the

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Filmcast, a podcast

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about movies. I'm

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David Chen and Barbenheimer? I

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didn't even know her! Joining me

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today is Devendra Arduar. Spoilers

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for all of our top ones, actually.

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It's Rebel Moon, a child of fire!

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And Jeff Kanata. I'm going to venture to

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guess, unlike last year, we're

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not going to have the same number ones. That

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is correct. And Jeff, how dare

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you shake your head at my opening stage? It's

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like you didn't even try, dude. I actually think

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you already used that one. I actually think you

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might be right about that. That's what I meant.

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That's what I meant. Recycling 2023. Wow.

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right, folks, 2023. Let's

2:55

talk about what happened this year. Last year, we each did

2:57

a story of the year, but this year there was one

3:00

big story and then other lesser stories

3:02

that were also important. But

3:04

the biggest story this year was

3:07

the strikes, right? We had

3:09

a simultaneous double strike

3:12

of the Writers Guild and SAG-AFTRA that stretched

3:14

on for over 100 days each and brought

3:17

over $6 billion of damage to

3:19

the California economy. And

3:22

while I know there was a lot of

3:24

support for the ultimate deals that the Writers

3:26

Guild and SAG-AFTRA ultimately generated, I've

3:29

heard personally from many people who have

3:31

been stretched to the limit economically by

3:33

what happened this last summer. So

3:35

many people have left the industry or maybe never even

3:37

got into it because of the stuff

3:40

that happened this year. We'll never know their stories. And

3:42

that really makes me sad. Beyond

3:46

the strikes, beyond what happened

3:48

this past summer, production on a

3:50

bunch of films were delayed, movies

3:52

were pushed back. There

3:54

are going to be no Marvel films in 2024

3:57

other than Deadpool. Disney

3:59

basically abandoned the film. first half of 2024.

4:01

The Zack Snyder DC universe is

4:03

pretty much dead at this point. And

4:05

I think we will all struggle to come up with

4:07

10 movies for our summer movie wagers this

4:10

summer. So it's a real

4:12

mixed bag because on the one hand some

4:14

real gains were made on

4:16

behalf of these guilds. On the other hand I

4:19

think the impact, the negative impacts will

4:22

be felt for a while to come and

4:24

just to be a hundred percent clear I

4:26

blame the studios for their mismanagement of this

4:29

situation and not the

4:31

guilds who were just fighting for a sustainable living

4:33

for their members. But I wanted to ask

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you guys like after all these events of the strikes like are

4:38

you optimistic about the future now that the strikes are over now

4:40

that the deal has been struck? You know Jeff Kanata I want

4:42

to start with you like what what is your feeling coming out

4:44

of the strikes? Are you like hey Hollywood we're back in it

4:46

again this is gonna be great or are you like that

4:49

was pretty rough? What do you think? I

4:51

don't think it's either of those extremes. I

4:53

think it's somewhere in the middle. I think

4:55

ultimately it's progress on

4:59

a certain front in in

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regard to maintaining

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a level of

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dignity and employability for

5:09

artists on a number of levels. But

5:13

it's also you know it's not a home run

5:15

it's not a pure win and it doesn't infuse

5:18

me with a lot of you

5:20

know blanket optimism

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for the future of

5:25

the industry. We're all staying alive for another

5:28

few years. Exactly. Until the next one. We're

5:30

kicking that can down the road a bit

5:32

and there's still a lot of problems with

5:34

the entertainment industry that don't

5:37

seem to be addressed and

5:39

I don't know if the

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strikes could have addressed or the you

5:43

know the contract negotiations could have addressed

5:45

the real problems or some of the

5:47

real problems at hand. So it

5:49

is a tumultuous time for

5:52

the entertainment industry and

5:55

how that is all going to play out with these

5:57

new contracts remains to be seen. Cautiously

6:02

optimistic, let's put it that way.

6:04

Yeah, obviously AI also a big

6:06

part of the conversation. Huge. It's

6:09

really wild how fast it's

6:11

become part of the conversation. Like two years ago,

6:13

it's not something that anyone was really worried about.

6:15

Now it's something that is at the forefront of

6:17

a lot of people's minds. Some

6:21

wins were had in the contracts, but in

6:24

a few years from now, who knows how the negotiators are

6:26

going to go? Do you think your hardware, what's

6:28

your feeling coming out of this year, when all the strikes and

6:30

all the tumult? I mean, it's

6:33

a clear demonstration of the power of collective

6:35

action, right? You gotta, it's a

6:37

reminder to the studios, like if you don't have the writers,

6:39

if you don't have actual actors to be in your movies,

6:41

you have nothing. As much as they want

6:43

to replace people with AI or who knows like what

6:46

their future plans are. I think

6:48

this was necessary. It's unfortunate that it took

6:50

so long because the studios dragged their heels.

6:52

It's unfortunate that a lot of people were

6:54

hurt financially because of this. But

6:57

we have to do these things, unfortunately, because

6:59

that's the only way to make like the

7:01

big money players pay attention. So absolutely. Yeah,

7:03

it was, I mean, effective in just like

7:05

reminding the studios, like this can happen. You

7:07

want everything to shut down. You want billions

7:09

of dollars to be drained out of the

7:11

economy because of your actions. It

7:14

can happen before it can happen again. I

7:16

guess we'll see. The other thing

7:18

is IFC has their contract coming up for a

7:20

new year this summer. Everyone

7:22

is hoping there's not a repeat of last

7:24

year and that they just get this done

7:27

before it becomes a crisis. You know, it

7:29

was yeah, kind of a game of chicken,

7:31

I guess. But also it's necessary things for

7:33

the workers. And I think that's very important.

7:35

Also, maybe it's fine that a lot of

7:37

the older studios probably

7:40

are not long for this world, just in

7:42

the way that they have treated talent and

7:44

thought about these entire productions. It's like we

7:46

saw some of the smaller ones, the younger

7:48

indie productions, like get

7:51

passes right through the

7:53

strike because they had already agreed to certain things

7:55

for workers. So that's what we're thinking of like

7:57

A24, you know, that was able to. to

8:00

get exemptions for some of their productions. But I

8:02

think you're also pointing to like, what

8:05

was one of the most baffling things to me, which

8:07

is that the AMPTP is now

8:10

made up of a variety of organizations,

8:12

some of whom don't care about

8:15

theatrical distribution, right? Yeah. Specifically, Netflix

8:17

is in the AMPTP. They don't

8:19

care about theatrical distribution. Meanwhile, the

8:21

strikes laid waste to the

8:23

theatrical slate for 2024. So you kind of have

8:25

this organization that's making the

8:28

decisions where some of them

8:30

care about theatrical distribution and others don't. And

8:32

it's like, and you know, it makes for

8:34

a very unwieldy partnership that I'm

8:36

sure was strained this last year. So anyway,

8:40

it was a wild time.

8:42

It was a sad time. And

8:45

I think, Jeff,

8:47

you're right that, you know, the problem, this didn't solve

8:49

all the problems, like the problems are still there in

8:52

terms of how people can make a sustainable living in Hollywood. But

8:56

hey, the

8:58

Hollywood industry marches on, the show

9:01

must go on. And this podcast

9:03

has gone on for another

9:05

year. A couple of other

9:07

things that the real win out

9:09

of the real strikes, the real win that we're still

9:11

here doing this, the couple of

9:13

other things that happened this

9:16

year that I thought were pretty notable. Barbenheimer

9:21

was a thing. These

9:23

are two movies that came out on the same

9:25

day that made almost a billion dollars or in

9:28

the case of Oppenheimer, almost a billion dollars. Barbenheimer

9:30

over a billion dollars, right? And somebody

9:33

pointed out that or many

9:35

people have been pointing out the fact that this

9:37

is the first year in

9:40

over 20 years, where

9:42

the top three movies at the box office this

9:44

year were not sequels.

9:46

Yeah, or there was no sequels among there.

9:49

Now, yes, they're all based off existing things.

9:51

Oppenheimer, Super Mario Brothers and Barbie, they're all

9:53

based off existing things. Oppenheimer, Cinematic Universe, yes.

9:57

I think the fact that they weren't sequels showed that for the

9:59

right event for the right movie event,

10:01

people can still turn out. Well, they were

10:03

at least two of those were IP, you

10:05

know, so that is a sign of the

10:08

other thing. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of throw

10:11

out that's a, that's a, yeah. I

10:13

knew you guys did. I think she knew with us.

10:15

I know you guys disagree with this really original, you

10:17

know? Here, I'll

10:19

tell you just so, so for

10:21

information context, uh, the last time this happened was

10:23

in 2001. Yeah. Okay. Those

10:26

three movies, monsters, Inc.

10:29

fellowship of the ring, uh, and Harry

10:31

Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. So I

10:34

think different as well. Each movie that

10:36

has redefined cinema for the years to

10:39

come. I would say monsters Inc. is

10:41

the only applicable idea because you know

10:43

what you're hoping for the spirit of

10:46

this observation is that, Hey, movies that

10:48

are original creations

10:50

can be popular among audiences

10:52

can get people get

10:54

those asses in seats, but that's not

10:56

really what's happening here. Um, perhaps

10:59

you could apply that to Oppenheimer in

11:01

some sense, but Barbie is arguably a

11:03

very original approach to that IP. Of

11:05

course. I think that if this had

11:08

been a movie that

11:10

didn't have anything to do with the

11:12

classic doll that we all grew up with,

11:14

it would not have achieved that

11:17

kind of cultural moment. And that's

11:19

the real problem. I mean, maybe

11:21

it's not a problem. Well, it's

11:24

a well received point, Jeff, but let me add this

11:26

to it, which is that I think that what this

11:28

year showed is that people want

11:31

either something brand new and fresh, like

11:33

arguably Oppenheimer or a fresh

11:36

take on something they're familiar with. Right. Super

11:38

Mario brothers, spider verse,

11:40

uh, Barbie, like those are all,

11:42

in my opinion, fresh takes on something they're

11:45

familiar with. I mean, arguable about Super Mario.

11:47

Yeah. Well, it's fresh in the sense that

11:49

we have not seen that, you

11:51

know, version of that character. We've not seen it on the

11:53

big screen, but on the big screen, I think it is

11:55

the biggest example of just like rehashing what you know in

11:57

the form of what you know in a way that's very

11:59

safe. that doesn't hurt

12:02

anybody. So it's a good part of this

12:04

discussion, but that is the safest least original

12:06

thing here. All right, that's fair. Look,

12:10

there are exceptions to prove the rules that are

12:12

pitching at you guys. I think it's a little

12:14

bit of trying to squeeze that square peg into

12:16

that round hole. And

12:18

I honestly think the triumph of Barbie

12:20

is that it snuck

12:23

in something original. Trojan

12:26

horse something original into something that

12:28

I think to outside observers appeared

12:31

to be very

12:34

knowable and tame. I

12:39

don't think that what

12:41

people were craving was the fresh take

12:44

on Barbie. They got the fresh take

12:46

on Barbie despite their cravings, right? And

12:49

I think that's the real brilliance of

12:52

what Gerwig did with that movie. I

12:54

don't know, I actually don't agree with that. I think

12:56

if Barbie had been some like regular romantic comedy or

12:58

something, I don't think it would have done as well.

13:00

I think

13:02

it's because of the fresh take that it did

13:04

well. But that's both. It is both. It is

13:07

the confluence of both factors. And that's also the

13:09

society we're living in now. Like we expect when

13:11

nostalgia takes, but we're still delighted by being

13:13

surprised. I think that is still a fun

13:15

thing that we'll never get, we'll never lose.

13:18

Surprise is always fun. Let me just

13:20

say that the success of Super

13:22

Mario Brothers belies that point. That

13:25

movie could have been brilliant and subversive and

13:27

amazing. It wasn't, it didn't matter. It made

13:30

all the money. It could have made more

13:32

money. I don't know. Well hey,

13:34

I'll say I think the audience is, the

13:36

movie going public is not a monolith. And

13:38

the audience is for Barbie and Super Mario

13:40

Brothers is probably pretty different. Correct. But

13:43

the audience is my four year old daughter. You're

13:45

the one painting with the same brush. But let's

13:47

say, I think what I'm trying to communicate is

13:49

that I think

13:51

Barb and Hymer was just very encouraging. Those were both

13:54

bold films that even though they

13:56

weren't based off of original ideas

13:58

necessarily, Were

14:01

Original picks like were fresh takes and

14:04

they both did exceptionally well at the

14:06

box office Yeah, and and I love

14:08

that. I love I don't disagree with

14:10

any of that. I do think it

14:12

is ultimately unrepeatable Yeah, mm-hmm. I think

14:14

it is a weird Phenomenon

14:18

that just happened in this I

14:20

think it's like Top Gun Yeah was

14:22

where it's like you're not gonna be able

14:24

to make that lightning

14:27

strike again It's all they will try to

14:29

repeat it. We'll try because that's what we

14:31

do. Yeah it'll

14:33

be a It'll be what

14:35

we are talking about when shoots and ladders comes

14:38

out of the same year as in section two,

14:40

you know, like They're

14:42

trying to make bourbon. I'm rapping again. It's a

14:44

level super shoots and ladders. You're just going deeper

14:47

down the ladder All

14:50

right. The the final thing to mention Final

14:53

big story to mention is the complete near

14:56

collapse of superhero films

14:58

that came out this year superhero

15:01

films failed one after another Quantum

15:04

mania the flash Aquaman to blue

15:06

beetle and the marvels the latter

15:08

of which was the worst performing

15:10

Marvel film ever Dr. Shrinks she

15:12

was out here like hey, I'm good Three

15:17

is the yeah, I was gonna say I mean there

15:20

were successes Guardians of the galaxy volume three and

15:23

spider-man across spider-verse but I think the

15:25

good old days of A

15:28

movie like Aquaman or Captain Marvel being able

15:30

to make a billion dollars being a sure

15:32

thing Yeah are over are over right Jeff.

15:34

You're a Marvel zombie from way back. I

15:36

am or are you? Kind

15:38

of sitting with this that we

15:40

have never seen like so many superhero films

15:43

do so badly in movies we have I

15:45

lived through the 90s, but there but there is

15:47

not as many as there are in this year They

15:50

wouldn't come out as frequently perhaps Look

15:54

at the time when we had catwoman

15:57

and electron Yeah,

16:00

the episode came out in the same... We're

16:02

talking about like seven movies came out this year.

16:05

It felt like it to me. It

16:07

was a really bad era. It was a bad time. Yeah.

16:09

Electro 2005, Catwoman was 2004, you know like... Electro

16:13

the spin-off with Daredevil. We would be lucky

16:15

to get like two Super Mario films in

16:17

one year. We got like seven this year.

16:21

I think that's probably accurate. It felt like that

16:23

was all concentrated. By the way, I did not

16:25

mean to bring up two woman-led

16:28

movies. Wow, Jeff. Trying

16:30

to cancel your film today. Yeah. You

16:32

could have used like a Blade 3. You could

16:34

have used a Blade 3 Fantastic Four. Fantastic

16:37

Four. Fantastic Four. Phantom. I could have...

16:39

Wow. Yes. There's many I could have

16:41

brought up. The Saints. Yeah,

16:43

they're going way back. The

16:46

Shadow. Just assume that I said all those.

16:49

Okay. Interesting your mind went there for a second.

16:51

Anyway, go ahead. Go ahead. So how

16:53

does this all sit with you, Jeff? You

16:56

have witnessed the rise and now perhaps

16:58

beginning falls of what's going

17:00

on here, right? Yeah. I

17:03

said multiple times this year that I kind

17:05

of feel like the MCU ended with Endgame.

17:08

Like that for me, then it became these

17:10

kind of individual movies that could either be

17:12

good or bad but weren't

17:14

really creating a larger tapestry anymore.

17:17

The TV thing confused everything, right? Yeah.

17:20

I think the TV thing was problematic on

17:22

a certain level and it was just, they

17:26

flooded the channel, so to speak.

17:30

They flooded the zone with... Yeah. ...the

17:33

weirdo-fobes. Too many things. I

17:36

think superhero fatigue has become a

17:38

cliche, but I don't think it's inaccurate. I

17:40

think that at a certain point, the

17:43

audience just went, it's just all too much. And

17:45

we had this great crescendo and now

17:48

what are we doing? Yeah. It didn't seem to be a

17:50

great answer to that question. And while

17:53

I think there have been a

17:55

number of really entertaining films post-Endgame,

17:58

Shang-Chi and, you know, There's a bunch

18:00

I could list. I

18:03

happen to love several of the movies that

18:05

tanked this year, including Marvel's. I thought the

18:07

Marvel's was fantastic. I thought it

18:10

was great fun. I

18:16

think ultimately this is kind of a

18:18

healthy thing for the movie industry as

18:20

a whole. I

18:23

don't think superhero movies are

18:25

going away. Really James Gunn's initiative with

18:27

Warner Brothers in DC is

18:29

going to try to gain some

18:33

new momentum in 2025 and

18:35

beyond. We'll see how that

18:37

works out. And Marvel

18:40

is reconfiguring

18:42

its expectations and its plans.

18:45

I suspect we haven't seen the last of real

18:48

big Marvel moves. I

18:52

don't mourn the loss because we got such

18:55

an incredible concentration. It was a great run.

18:57

Yes, it was a great run. Let's

19:00

temper it a bit. Let's pull back.

19:02

Let's not have every month a new

19:04

superhero movie hit the movie screens. I

19:06

think that's healthy. I love the idea

19:08

that we can have a more diverse

19:10

set of big popcorn movies as

19:12

well. Big tentpole films can be... Having

19:16

said that, we already talked about how maybe this

19:18

pendulum is swinging in a direction that's equally

19:21

as frustrating where we're

19:23

going to get any

19:25

old IP is going to have its cinematic universe.

19:27

Who knows where we're headed in that direction? Because

19:30

I don't think it's going to be a return

19:32

to the days of you're going to get a

19:35

terminator. Now

19:37

that would be just a franchise. I'm saying

19:39

like an original fun movie.

19:42

We're not going

19:44

there, unfortunately. It might be

19:46

toy based. I'm not being...

19:49

I'm 100% serious. It might be

19:51

toy based movies. It might be video games. It might be video

19:53

games. It might be video games. It might be 100% video games.

19:55

What's going to be the next era of box office dominance? 100%

19:57

going to be a gold rush. It

20:00

already we're already getting this gold rush to

20:02

video game IP. Yeah, and I Don't

20:06

know if that's gonna if we

20:08

get the level of quality that we got

20:10

during the the heyday of the MCU I'm

20:13

down for it. I love video games. I think there's great

20:15

characters and stories there But what

20:18

I ultimately would like is everybody not

20:20

doing the same thing. Yeah more diversity

20:22

more interesting You know even in

20:24

the in the context of just big fun Summer

20:27

blockbusters, I would love there to be a

20:29

little more variety there. It's also such a

20:31

backwards Thing to like video

20:33

games translating into movie narratives has always been

20:36

rough unless you do it episodically

20:38

honestly like The Last of Us because you can

20:40

look at a comic as like a blueprint of

20:42

a film a Storyboard for a film where's the

20:44

game? You have your own control you

20:46

have your own like the enjoyment of the game than what you

20:49

do And you never will have that in the

20:51

movie and I do I feel like a lot of that is gonna

20:53

be a failure I do want to point out Basically

20:56

every decade like Hollywood goes through

20:58

decades long like you

21:00

know Just like friend friend right

21:02

yeah and I was watching our friend Patrick Willems

21:04

video about Days of Thunder and just how much

21:06

of a Failure that movie

21:09

was and how much that like killed the

21:11

80s like no more of this No more

21:13

of like whatever this whole the montage sequences

21:15

very like wrote 80s action movies Those are

21:17

dead now and that happened at the

21:19

end of the 90s. You know happy with them Westerns

21:22

it was once like Westerns were the thing

21:24

every other movie was a Western and then

21:26

that Period went away. You know and

21:28

so it is recalling the the heydays of his youth

21:31

in the 90s in the 50s I'm

21:34

not saying I was around for a Jeff

21:36

I'm just saying it wasn't like Hollywood I

21:38

seen Chris come and go and the gritty movies the

21:40

gritty realism of the 70s Led

21:43

to bubblegum capitalism of the 80s right in

21:45

fantasy and then the 90s was just like

21:47

pure excess So it's all it's always a

21:49

thing and for some reason superheroes ended up

21:51

being the thing for the late 2000s

21:54

and 2010s who knows what the

21:56

next thing will be yeah, I mean if

21:58

we're lucky there is a next thing You know,

22:00

like if we're lucky there is a thing

22:02

that's gonna be a next day to fund

22:05

this dying industry Which is theatrical film going

22:07

but the thing that I'm most curious

22:09

about is I don't know if you guys recall but James Gunn I

22:11

think it was this year announced

22:13

this Extremely ambitious plan

22:15

for the DC Universe He said there's gonna

22:17

be video games and the same actors are

22:20

gonna play the same characters in the video

22:22

games Yeah, there's gonna be 10 movies and

22:24

all these and it remember in the animatrix

22:26

and the matrix video game We're gonna just

22:28

do all that. Yeah, people will turn out

22:30

for Superman legacy when it comes out in

22:33

2025 But the question is

22:35

I guarantee that movie is gonna make money.

22:37

Yeah. Yes. I agree I think Superman just

22:39

Superman of the character just brings people I

22:41

think it will right? The question is

22:44

how viable is that plan in a

22:46

post the Marvel's world? Right? Like how?

22:50

Are we gonna see that come to fruition or is

22:52

it just gonna be hey every once every three to

22:54

four years? we get a Superman in

22:56

a Batman movie, you know, like I

22:59

don't if I had to place my bets now I don't think

23:02

James Gunn's universe is gonna come to pass

23:04

because I think The moment

23:06

has passed like the audience is not

23:08

there anymore for some of these smaller

23:11

characters I don't know that people are gonna turn out

23:13

for a swamp thing, you know or whatever Well,

23:16

it'll be interesting to see how

23:18

ambitious they are Out

23:21

the gate right like let's superman come out

23:23

and be a hit. What does that what's

23:25

the next place? Are you are

23:28

you immediately like moving toward a Justice League

23:30

movie or do you kind of slow roll?

23:32

Yeah, and let let it gain its own

23:34

momentum. I think If

23:37

they learned anything from Marvel, that's the

23:39

smart play is like let's not Serve

23:42

up the whole pizza. We can do slice by

23:44

slice for a little while and then

23:46

ultimately it's like I ate a whole pizza That

23:48

would be awesome. Yeah, I think James Gunn I

23:50

have a lot of faith in his storytelling ability

23:52

So I think he's probably gonna take your approach

23:55

also Batman 2

23:57

is theoretically coming out in

23:59

the next 18 months or so. So

24:01

like, we're

24:03

gonna get a lot more data in the

24:05

next year or two in terms of how

24:07

much audiences really miss superhero films. But

24:10

this does feel like a

24:12

decisive year in terms of this

24:14

genre. It feels like

24:17

a paradigm shift for sure. Yeah,

24:19

indeed. So anyway, those were

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folks, let's get to

29:53

it. Our top 10 films of

29:56

2023. Now, usually I ask you

30:00

guys before we start cutting these down like what was

30:02

it like to make your list this year and

30:05

you know every year

30:08

it's always like a little bit agonizing in different

30:10

ways I will say

30:12

I felt like we you know this year's list I

30:14

felt like we had an abundance of weight it was

30:16

hell like here because there's too many movies I didn't

30:18

I didn't feel I don't think I felt that way

30:20

last year like yeah last year I felt like there's

30:22

good movies but like I'm very proud of the list

30:24

like this year was like mm-hmm I have like 30

30:27

movies I want to put yeah on my top thing you

30:29

know yeah what was your feeling building this out similar

30:33

my short list was I think

30:35

20 I have one two

30:37

three four five six seven eight nine

30:39

ten honorable

30:41

mentions well yeah so yeah the second top ten

30:43

list I was like I was like I have

30:46

like you know 15 honorable mentions so we're not

30:48

gonna mention any of our mentions on the main

30:50

episode you have to wait till the after dark

30:52

for those but yeah

30:54

I I feel the same way I will also say

30:57

that you know as was with most years my

30:59

top four have been locked for

31:02

weeks like no deviation in

31:04

the top but all the

31:06

other ones like literally last

31:08

night there was like a

31:10

last-minute replacement for

31:12

the last the bottom two choices I think

31:16

what I'm really happy

31:18

with in my list this year is that

31:20

there's a lot of diversity

31:23

just in terms of what these movies do

31:25

they're not it's not all

31:27

like nine superhero films and like one drama right

31:29

it's like every movie is doing something a little

31:32

bit different and I think that's that's kind

31:34

of something we try to do with these lists is like

31:36

we try to highlight movies that people wouldn't

31:39

otherwise see but for me I'm trying to

31:41

make this list represent

31:44

my year of movies like yeah the

31:46

wide vastness of all the stuff that

31:48

we saw this year is

31:50

kind of represented in this list so you

31:54

have any predictions of how much crossover

31:56

there will or will not be at least

31:59

amount of crossover I honestly have no idea. I'm

32:01

gonna guess I'm gonna guess there's like five or

32:03

six I think they're gonna cross

32:05

over on each of ours. I'm gonna guess there

32:07

are at least Two

32:10

maybe three movies that will be on all

32:12

three of our lists. Mm-hmm I think there's

32:14

a significant chance my number one is gonna

32:16

be the same as Jeff's number one probably

32:19

Um, I can probably I could

32:21

probably guarantee. Okay. Well, just reaction

32:23

just now That's not

32:25

encouraging. I I'm doubting

32:28

it. I will be surprised if you

32:30

have my movie as your mm-hmm. Okay

32:34

Yeah All

32:39

right, folks to be fair I I

32:41

did not like rebel moon Can't

32:46

bring myself to a Be

32:50

clear Jeff doesn't want the I've

32:53

got there are so many messages this week

32:55

about it friends have been texting me. Are

32:57

you okay? Yeah, I Just

33:00

didn't hate it I'm

33:08

gonna be shocked with Jeff puts Shazam fury

33:10

of the gods is his number one. Oh,

33:12

yeah that movie happened Yeah. All right. All

33:14

right, so I will tell you one of

33:16

the one of

33:18

the interesting experiences of Doing

33:20

this list this year was going that

33:23

was this year It

33:28

has been a long year hasn't it? There

33:30

were movies that I could if you had asked

33:32

me I would have liked Shazam for example, I

33:35

would have Hard

33:37

cash Alright

33:43

I am Really excited

33:46

Also, Jeff, you know something else we've discussed. I will tell you

33:48

this Every movie on

33:51

my list has either been a

33:53

main review or something. I have brought up during what we

33:55

want Oh nice. There's been no that's a I think that's

33:57

your first time maybe for

34:00

I watched 14 movies in the last few days. But

34:02

as you see I tried to curtail- No

34:04

one can watch them until February of next year.

34:07

I tried to curtail that this year. I

34:09

tried to like tone that down this year. So

34:12

anyway. A guy snuck

34:14

me a VHS tape. I

34:16

think we've gotten some feedback that people have felt

34:18

like cheated in the past of like, oh, it's

34:20

so weird that like Dave's number one was a

34:22

movie. He's never mentioned a film now. Exactly. I

34:25

understand that. So like I constantly- And in April

34:27

it'll hit VOD. I

34:29

consciously tried to like, you know, to

34:32

avoid that. Or not avoid, but like be

34:34

aware of that. Anyway, all

34:36

that said, let's get into it. The film

34:38

cast, top 10 films of 2023. Devendra

34:42

Hardwar. What is your number 10 film

34:45

of 2023? Let's go. My

34:48

number 10 movie is How to

34:50

Blow Up a Pipeline. Listen, if

34:53

I touch or even jostle this primer

34:55

too much, I could

34:57

detonate. I need you to take this. 20

35:01

yards back. If

35:04

anything goes wrong. Don't

35:08

come in unless I tell you to. Unless you see

35:10

fire. Don't

35:13

come in. Got it. I

35:16

loved Daniel Goldhaper's film. It's

35:18

a perfectly tuned thriller. That's about

35:20

the moral weight of eco-terrorism. And

35:23

I think it's unique for really giving us

35:25

that perspective of activists who have kind of

35:27

had enough. Like trying to work through all

35:29

the standard ways of

35:31

effecting change and have just been like, well,

35:34

this will get people to notice things. It's

35:36

weird to me, like how property destruction is

35:39

looked down upon when the continued pillaging of

35:41

our planet by oil companies and others is

35:43

just like, yep, we're just gonna keep doing this.

35:47

The UN's climate council being led by

35:49

the head of Abu Dhabi's

35:51

national oil company. We're

35:53

all celebrating a line that

35:57

the countries have somewhat said that we

35:59

will reduce oil. production or reduce

36:01

CO2 and carbon emissions by 2050,

36:03

okay, congrats.

36:05

By then we'll all be dead. So

36:08

yeah, I loved How to Blow Up a Pipeline.

36:10

I think more people should see. I think people

36:12

should probably check out this book and I do

36:14

think the idea of how we kind of affect

36:16

climate activism is going to have

36:18

to be clearly looked on. I think we will

36:21

have to rethink a lot of things. Devendra,

36:23

that is a fantastic choice for

36:25

your number 10. Great movie. Jeff

36:29

Kanata, I think you accidentally inverted your muting because

36:31

you didn't eat your coughing just now and I

36:33

can't hear you as your college. Darn it. That's

36:35

true. I was saying to

36:37

Devendra, cough, cough, cough, cough is what

36:39

I have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a

36:41

smog coming right at you. Yeah, that's

36:43

my commentary. I feel this movie. Nicely

36:45

done. It's in my lungs. Yeah. No,

36:48

I did not see this and so I will have to make a point.

36:50

It's on Hulu. I remember you talked about it, Dave,

36:53

but I only got to see it like a couple

36:55

months ago and I loved it. Nice. Great. Well,

36:57

as I said, great choice. Potentially,

37:00

you might want to remember me saying that as

37:03

the list goes on. Jeff Kanata,

37:05

what is your number 10 movie of

37:07

the year? So

37:09

number 10 is a place

37:11

that I love to do

37:13

something a little out of

37:15

left field. Yes. I

37:17

remember you, I think you chose Don't Look Up for your number

37:19

10 one year. I did. You

37:22

guys did not care for that. I did not care. Don't Look

37:24

Up. Yeah, I don't care for that. Met

37:28

with a lot of Doritians. This year, I looked over, there's a

37:30

lot of movies, as we've mentioned, that

37:41

I was trying to cram into this list.

37:43

A lot of things vying for number 10

37:45

on my list. I just wanted

37:47

to squeeze in all that movie really deserves to be there.

37:49

All that movie really deserves to be there. But

37:52

ultimately, I went with a

37:55

movie that has

37:58

stuck with me. in a way that

38:01

few do. I

38:03

guarantee you, I don't think either of you

38:05

even have seen this. Very few

38:07

people have. This is a documentary

38:10

that I mentioned. It's called

38:13

Just One Mile. More

38:30

no less. But

38:33

it's not complicated. You

38:35

have one objective. Stay

38:38

present man. Be patient. Guys

38:45

now, grace here. The whole first 30 hours

38:47

is just a warm up. You

38:49

got to be patient for that. Just

38:51

One Mile is

38:53

an incredible

38:57

experience. I don't know if I would

38:59

put it up there with the greatest

39:02

documentaries I've ever seen on a

39:04

viewer filmmaking level. That isn't a

39:06

knock. I

39:09

think the directors,

39:11

Dwayne Coddrington and Ed Coughlin

39:13

did a fantastic job following

39:17

this race. This is the story

39:19

of this endurance race that

39:21

has no end. You go until there's

39:24

only one person left.

39:27

And I cannot get this movie out of my head.

39:29

As someone who continues to

39:31

participate in endurance running in my

39:33

life, I look

39:36

into what is truly

39:38

one of the ultimate tests of endurance.

39:41

It's powerful. It's moving

39:43

and ultimately inspiring. It's

39:46

a very intimate tale.

39:49

The characters in it are vibrant

39:51

and you will never forget

39:53

them. These real humans that do this to

39:56

themselves, I

39:58

cherish. this as

40:00

one of the experiences of

40:02

watching movies in 2023. And

40:05

like I said, it opened me up into a lot of

40:08

other endurance documentaries

40:10

that didn't come out this year, but this

40:12

was the inciting incident. This was the film

40:15

that made me go down that path. And

40:17

I think it deserves a spot as number 10

40:20

on my list. I

40:23

love the kind of out of the box, like out

40:25

of nowhere, like you might not have predicted it choice,

40:27

Jeff. So yeah, awesome. And also that

40:29

it's a documentary too. I'm usually the one repping

40:31

documentaries on the top 10 list. By the way,

40:33

minor spoiler, no documentaries on my list this year.

40:36

Which I was really kind of bummed about. Some

40:38

on the honorable mentions, but none of the top

40:40

10 this year. Just one mile.

40:43

It speaks to what you were just, how you

40:45

set this whole thing up where like I wanted

40:47

the list to represent me in a certain level.

40:50

I love it. Suggest movies that people

40:52

might not have thought about since we originally brought

40:54

them up. And this is a very personal pick

40:56

for me and one I'm proud to put on

40:58

my list. I love it. I love it. As

41:01

time goes on, like the list become more of a reflection of us,

41:03

right? And how we're different or the same,

41:05

depending on the year. So just

41:08

a mile, Jeff's number 10, great choice. On

41:11

that note, Jeff Canata, my

41:14

number 10 choice of the year is Bo

41:17

is Afraid. Hi, Karen, it's mom.

41:20

I'm just calling to say that I'm so, so,

41:22

so excited to see you tomorrow. You're

41:24

my angel and I love you. Okay.

41:28

I love you. Okay, bye, sweetie. I

41:30

love you. Listen

41:36

to your mother when I tell you to

41:38

not be like that. This

41:41

is a movie that does something that no

41:43

other movie this year achieved. When

41:45

I reviewed this movie over at decodingeverything.com,

41:48

I wrote, imagine every negative thought and

41:50

neurosis you've ever had about yourself, your

41:53

family, the strangers around you, the

41:55

neighborhood you live in, your future, your talents,

41:57

the universe, everything. Now imagine all

41:59

those. negative thoughts manifested and became

42:01

real. An endless dream from

42:04

which you cannot wake." That's

42:06

basically what it's like to watch Bo is Afraid.

42:08

It's three excruciating hours

42:11

inside of one man's anxiety, guilt, and

42:14

neuroses. And while most people

42:16

will probably find it to be incomprehensible nonsense,

42:19

I thought it was a masterpiece. I felt

42:22

seen. And

42:25

that's why Bo is afraid is my

42:28

number 10 film of 2020. That's a

42:30

bold choice, Dave. I totally understand that for

42:32

you. I will say this means you can

42:34

never complain about movie length again. Ever again.

42:37

I don't think I generally do. Sometimes very

42:39

occasionally. Sometimes it's justified. It's

42:45

less of a complaint. I'm less complaining. Sometimes I feel like,

42:47

hey, this movie would be better if it were. Yes. But

42:50

I try not to complain about movie length. But

42:53

anyway, I have no issues with the length of the

42:55

movie. I was like, hey, you know, some of the

42:58

movies you're like, I wish this could last forever. This

43:00

is just like living through my life. Yeah. This is

43:02

just like another day. I'm

43:04

so glad. Another day. Another day in Bo's

43:06

life. So that's my number. A

43:11

movie certainly is an experience. I will say that about it.

43:15

Let's get to number nines. Devendra

43:17

Hardwar, what is your number nine choice of 2023? My

43:21

number nine movie is Poor Things. I

43:23

think this movie is your ghost Lanthamos firing

43:26

on all cylinders. It's his most powerful film.

43:28

And I think his most hopeful film with

43:30

a cast that's like fully prepared to get

43:32

weird and wild. I think

43:34

it's also the sort of film you can watch and almost

43:37

makes you reassess like how you view the world

43:39

or how you have come to some conclusions about

43:41

the world because it's such a philosophical film. So

43:43

yeah, I love this thing. You

43:46

know, in I don't maybe for similar reasons to how

43:48

you like but was afraid. Dave, like

43:50

I do think like this movie just hits on a

43:52

lot of levels for me. So yeah, loved Poor Things.

43:56

Great choice. We recently reviewed Poor Things on

43:58

the After Dark. We all loved it. So

44:00

yeah, it's a wonderful, delightful

44:03

film. Poor things. It's

44:05

the Vinger Hardwar's number nine film of 2023. Jeff

44:09

Kanata, your number nine film

44:11

of 2023. My

44:14

number nine is Talk to

44:16

Me. Oh yeah, I

44:18

love it. I love it. I'm generally

44:20

not the first person to jump at

44:22

the chance of seeing the new horror

44:24

movie, as regular listeners of the

44:26

show will note. But there

44:29

tends to be, every year, one

44:33

horror movie that I'm forced to watch that

44:35

I end up absolutely falling in love with.

44:37

This year, that movie is Talk to Me.

44:40

It is such a clever, cool

44:42

premise. And like

44:45

the very best horror ideas, it

44:47

works as a metaphor for something that we all

44:50

do, that we all think about. And

44:53

this movie goes places. It's

44:56

daring, smart filmmaking,

44:59

and it shows that you don't need

45:01

hundreds of millions of dollars to make

45:03

something special. I absolutely

45:05

loved Talk to Me, and it

45:07

is my number nine. Jeff, I feel

45:09

like you're putting me to shame,

45:11

repping documentaries and horror films in your

45:14

top 10, which is,

45:16

I don't even know if that's ever happened. Have you

45:18

put horror films in your top 10? Yeah, I think

45:20

Bodies, Bodies, Bodies was in mine last year. Oh yeah,

45:22

yeah. Yeah. I don't know if that's really,

45:24

not supernatural horror, you know? Well, it's

45:26

a horror movie. It is 100%. And

45:29

I think the whole time you think it's

45:31

potentially supernatural. Spoilers for Bodies, Bodies,

45:33

Bodies. That's fair. That's

45:36

fair. All right. Well, great choice

45:38

for number nine. A movie I loved. Talk

45:41

to me. It's Jeff's number nine film of 2023. My

45:45

number nine film is All of Us

45:48

Strangers. Drink. Just

45:50

drop the names. It's

45:52

meant to be the best in the world, but I couldn't

45:54

tell you why. So. Sorry.

45:58

Okay. Okay,

46:01

how about I come in anyway? If

46:05

not for a drink, then... ...for

46:08

whatever else you might want. Nice.

46:10

This is a kind

46:13

of quiet, small,

46:15

indie drama. Fox Church Light

46:17

put it out. And

46:19

the one question this movie asks, you know, this is

46:21

revealed in the first few minutes of the movie, is...

46:24

...what if you could speak to your parents when

46:27

they are the age that

46:29

you are... ...when they were the age that you are

46:31

now, basically, right? How would those conversations

46:34

go? What would you say? How would they

46:36

respond to the person you are now from

46:38

back then? It's a really

46:40

compelling idea. It's rendered beautifully in this

46:42

film with amazing performances by Andrew Scott,

46:44

Jamie Bell, and Claire Foy. Plus,

46:46

Paul Mescal plays a character,

46:49

you know, who's in a relationship with Andrew Scott.

46:51

And their relationship has a

46:54

tenderness that is poignant

46:56

and profound. There's

46:58

images from this movie, moments from this movie that just... I just

47:00

can't get out of my head. You know, Jeff is like you

47:02

describing Jess from my... I just can't get it

47:04

out of my head. I can't stop thinking about some of these ideas,

47:07

some of these images. So, yeah, the movie is... All

47:12

of us strangers, it's in limited release right now.

47:14

It will be available for home video at

47:17

some point in the near future. I'm bummed that more people haven't

47:19

seen it yet, but... It's a truly

47:21

beautiful movie. Agreed. This

47:24

is a huge hole in my... I really wanted to

47:26

see this before we recorded and I didn't get a

47:28

chance to. I chose a different movie

47:30

to watch last night, which I'm

47:32

sure we'll talk about at some point. I

47:35

also watched the movie last night. Did yours that

47:37

you watched last night make any to your top

47:39

10, Jeff? It did not. Yeah, neither did mine.

47:42

It's a dangerous thing. It's so dangerous. You're like,

47:44

oh, does this really compete with everything I think

47:46

of the movie? Did you watch it the night

47:48

before the list? The night before the top 10,

47:50

right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Anyway, my number nine is

47:52

all of us strangers. All

47:54

right, Devin, your hardware. Let's get to your

47:57

number eight film of 2023. My

48:00

number eight film is The Zone of Interest.

48:02

Jonathan Glaser doesn't make many films, but when

48:04

he does, I think we should all pay

48:06

attention. This is a

48:08

chilling film about the humanity we give up

48:11

to live in a world of domestic comfort.

48:14

I think it's something we need to pay attention to right

48:16

now, in the future, before

48:18

we let history repeat itself in the Middle East

48:20

and elsewhere. Like it is a thing, it is

48:23

such a simple thing. It is like

48:25

what we give up, basically, for

48:28

safety and security. And it's such

48:30

a powerful movie because it does it in

48:32

a way that is very deft. I

48:34

think it can feel boring. I could understand why it didn't

48:36

really click with you, Jeff. But I

48:39

think there's something chilling about this movie, to

48:41

watch this perfect family life happening while in

48:43

the background you hear gunshots and you hear

48:46

random cries and screaming. But this little

48:48

square, this little like perfect country house with a little

48:51

pool in the back, this is

48:53

great. This is what they've worked towards. And

48:55

it doesn't matter. It doesn't

48:57

really matter what it takes to get there. I

48:59

think this movie is unforgettable. So yeah, that's why I'm

49:01

picking The Zone of Interest. It's

49:04

a great choice, David. This movie has been on a lot of

49:06

top 10 lists, been on many critics,

49:08

like number one. I think it is

49:11

a very provocative work and very interestingly

49:13

made. I

49:15

think it's resonated more with you than it did with me

49:17

and Jeff this year, but it's still something that I think

49:19

demands people's attention, definitely something I think is worth checking out.

49:22

So great choice for your number eight film of

49:24

2023, The Zone of Interest. I'm

49:27

so glad it resonated with you, but I found it to

49:29

be two of the worst

49:31

hours of my life. I

49:33

mean, as it should be, potentially as it should

49:36

have been. Yeah, potentially. Jeff

49:38

Kanata, your number eight film of 2023. My

49:41

number eight is

49:43

No One Will Save You. Ooh,

49:45

nice. Another horror

49:47

movie. Wow. What is going on?

49:51

My last pick was a horror movie,

49:53

Talk to Me. And this is a

49:55

thriller that doesn't talk at all. Yeah.

49:58

It's the opposite of Talk to Me. That is not

50:00

what makes it special. In fact, I

50:02

wish it hadn't stuck to that so stringently.

50:05

But what it does do, it does

50:08

brilliantly. It creates tension. It

50:10

shows a smart character doing

50:13

smart things, working through impossible

50:15

odds, and constantly

50:17

hits me with jaw-dropping moments

50:20

of surprise and excitement. This

50:23

felt like such

50:26

a departure from the

50:28

kind of cookie cutter,

50:31

tentpole movies that we were watching around

50:33

that time. It just

50:37

is so much fun, so unexpected,

50:39

so cool, so different.

50:41

I absolutely loved No One Will Save

50:44

You. It's

50:46

a great choice. This movie is a great time. It's

50:49

something that you should definitely watch on Hulu,

50:52

really well-made, had a blast watching it.

50:55

Love this choice, Jeff. Love this choice. No

50:57

One Will Save You. I think we all

50:59

enjoyed this movie, if I recall correctly. So

51:01

yeah. Absolutely. All right. My

51:04

number eight film of 2023 is How to Blow Up a Pipeline.

51:08

Yay. Yeah. I think this

51:10

is one of the most culturally and politically

51:12

relevant movies that was released this year. First

51:14

of all, it's a nonstop throw-right. It's just

51:16

like gripping from beginning to end. It's structured

51:19

like a heist movie. They're putting together a

51:21

crew, and they try to accomplish this mission.

51:23

And you slowly learn everyone's backstories. But

51:25

Devendra, as you said, what resonates about this

51:28

movie is that it's a movie about

51:30

what happens when people feel like they have no

51:32

recourse into what happens in

51:34

our society. More and more,

51:36

I feel like I hear this

51:38

kind of hopelessness in how

51:41

people talk about our politics. Like they cannot

51:43

stop what is going on that

51:45

they are not pleased with. And

51:49

this hopelessness about

51:51

what our politics and our capitalism

51:53

has wrought. And this

51:56

movie, How to Blow Up a Pipeline, is about

51:58

that hopelessness and what it can be. channeled

52:00

into and how we can be

52:02

channeled. And

52:05

you got to love a movie where when you Google it, you get

52:07

put on a government watch list. That

52:09

was a plan all along. You

52:11

can't discount that. The

52:14

same thing applies to Rebel Moon. Every

52:18

Netflix subscriber though. I'm also just going to put this out

52:20

there. I'm also just going to put this out there. We've

52:23

been choosing our top 10 lists for many

52:25

years and look,

52:28

some of them don't age well. I'm going

52:30

to put this out there. I'm going to

52:32

say like maybe War Horse as my number

52:34

one movie. Maybe

52:36

you've really grown. You've

52:39

put that house or it's a pasture. Maybe

52:43

that didn't age well. Maybe I could have put that

52:45

as number three instead of

52:47

the year. I'm going

52:49

to say I think this one's going to age well. Putting

52:51

this one on the top 10 is going to be like,

52:53

wow. This particular movie or this list? This

52:56

movie is going to be

52:58

the thing that predicts things to come is my guess.

53:02

How to Blow the Pipeline, check it out. As Devendra

53:04

said, it's on Hulu. It's a great movie. It's so

53:06

frustrating that two movies that have come up I haven't

53:08

seen. I don't think that's

53:10

going to be true for the rest of the list, but we'll see, Jeff. We'll see.

53:13

Maybe. Maybe. All

53:15

right. We are now at

53:17

number seven. Actually before we get to number seven, why don't

53:20

we take a quick break for a sponsor. We'll be back

53:22

with more of our top 10 movies of 2023 right after

53:24

this. All

53:27

right. Let's get to number seven choice. Devendra

53:29

Hardwar, your number seven film

53:32

of 2023. Well speaking

53:34

of movies you haven't seen, Jeff, and probably you

53:36

two, Dave, because nobody has seen this movie. It's

53:38

a goddamn shame. My number seven movie is

53:41

a thousand and one. This is

53:43

Davey Rockwell's debut feature. It's a powerful

53:45

story about a mother who is recently

53:47

let out of prison and basically kidnaps

53:50

her son from a neglectful foster system

53:52

to give him a better life. It's

53:55

a story about surviving in Giuliani era New

53:57

York City. So it's like the 90s. and

54:00

early 2000s. And it's

54:02

about surviving in a world that just really

54:04

does not care to really help you. So

54:07

you have to kind of make your own way

54:09

and break some rules and make

54:11

a lot of sacrifices to give the next

54:14

generation a better life. I think this is

54:16

a beautiful film. It's powerfully acted by Tiana

54:18

Taylor, I believe. And

54:21

all the three separate actors play her son

54:23

in this. It's a very moonlight in that

54:25

way. I think it's a

54:27

beautiful film and also really captures the

54:29

way that big cities in New

54:31

York City especially can feel both like

54:34

a supportive environment and also just like this massive

54:36

thing that just does not care about you at

54:38

all. And it's trying to exist

54:40

within that. This really particular thing, I

54:43

guess. It's a shame about

54:45

this movie too, because I saw this at Sundance. It

54:47

got some buzz out of Sundance. It was on Peacock,

54:49

I think for most of the year, nobody saw it.

54:52

It had like a small, I think, theatrical

54:54

release but not much buzz out of it.

54:57

It is so disheartening to see a beautiful

54:59

film that tells a wonderful story and I

55:01

think is a signal of

55:04

a filmmaker who has a lot of talent and who's

55:06

going to be delivering a lot of stuff and just

55:08

like completely forgotten for no reason. And

55:10

that's a damn shame. So that's my pick. But the

55:12

line must be drawn at Devindra's top 10 list. That

55:15

must be it. He's putting it here. I'm putting it

55:17

here. Something could exist on

55:19

Peacock and no one would know about

55:21

it? Something could exist on Peacock. Unfortunately,

55:24

the entire streaming service, Peacock. So far,

55:26

so far. I mean, that

55:28

is the problem though. That is the problem

55:31

that NBC is facing with that whole

55:33

thing too. Anyway, I think this movie is fantastic.

55:35

So if that description sounds good to you, it's

55:38

worth a rent. You can rent it on demand right now.

55:41

Check out The Thousand and One by even Brockwell. I've

55:44

heard great things about this. It's made many people's top

55:46

10 lists of the year. Really? I've not seen it

55:48

anywhere. I've seen it on multiple. I've seen a thousand

55:50

and one on multiple top 10 lists. So

55:53

I feel like it may be me and Valerie Complex

55:55

and that's it. But okay, I'll check. But

55:58

yeah, check it out. Great choices. Your number. as

56:00

your number seven, Devendra. And

56:03

let's get to Jeff Kanata's number seven list, number

56:06

seven item on his top 10 films of

56:08

2023. Jeff Kanata hit us. It's a bag of

56:10

nuts. It can be any item. I

56:14

love nuts. No. Um,

56:16

I don't know.

56:18

Wow. We make a lot of that. We're

56:21

firing on all syllables. My

56:24

number seven film of 2023 is Maestro. Seems

56:28

I'm attracted to a certain type. Listen,

56:34

you know, Lenny loves you. He really

56:36

does. He's just a

56:38

man, a horribly aging

56:40

man, who

56:43

cannot just be wholly

56:46

one thing. He's lost.

56:50

I've always known Louise. No.

56:52

Love this. Love this. Yeah. It's a tour

56:54

de force of artistry, a beautiful

56:57

movie with beautiful performances.

57:00

It's a movie about the

57:02

burdens of talent. It's

57:04

about the tragedy of only living on

57:07

this planet for a short period of

57:09

time and only being

57:11

able to love a small number of

57:13

people during that time. And

57:16

it has incredible cinematic flourishes,

57:18

beautiful music. I

57:21

loved Maestro. I am such

57:23

a fan of Bradley

57:25

Cooper-directed films. I

57:28

think I have really enjoyed all

57:30

of his efforts. And I think, you

57:33

know, I can't wait to see what

57:35

he does next. I think Maestro is an incredible

57:37

movie. It

57:40

bums me out that many people will watch

57:42

this at home with bad

57:44

sound, you know, with the sound

57:46

turned down or whatever and not listen. The

57:49

fact that I got to watch this with the sound

57:51

enveloping and hear that incredible

57:53

orchestral music all around me really

57:56

enhanced the experience of watching Maestro. But I

57:58

think it's a great movie. regardless of

58:00

how you see it. I

58:03

love this movie, Jeff. Honestly, at one point, this

58:05

movie was up to my number five of the

58:07

year and then it like fell off the list.

58:10

But I have a lot of affection for this movie.

58:12

It really spoke to me. We

58:14

talked about it on the after dark. Definitely recommend you

58:16

check that episode out. But yeah,

58:18

it's a great choice. Beautiful, beautiful

58:21

movie. The movie is

58:23

Maestro. It's Jeff Kanava's number seven. My

58:26

number seven choice for 2023 films. Is

58:30

dream scenario. In

58:32

dream scenario, Nicholas Cage

58:34

plays Paul Matthews, a man who randomly

58:36

starts appearing in people's dreams. Just

58:39

there, he's not doing anything. He's just standing around.

58:42

And while he's initially excited by this development,

58:44

he soon realizes that appearing in people's dreams

58:47

comes with a few downsides. Dream

58:49

scenario is about a really outlandish

58:51

premise, but it's also about the

58:53

nature of fame, how we

58:55

desire it, and how we cope with the

58:57

downsides of it. It is the perfect

59:00

movie for today's

59:02

internet age where the lust for

59:04

fame is ubiquitous. It's smart, it's

59:06

funny, and has a classic Nick

59:09

Cage performance. I don't know what

59:11

more you could want in a movie. I love this movie. You

59:13

should check it out. It's available for rent

59:16

or purchase right now. The movie is

59:18

dream scenario. It's my number seven choice. You

59:20

don't know what anyone could want more in

59:22

a movie, except six other things that you found

59:24

in. Wow.

59:29

I also love dream scenario. Should

59:32

I start trying to pick away the logic

59:34

holes in your top 10 list, Jeff? This

59:39

movie has everything. What else could you want?

59:41

Six movies are better than six other movies

59:45

that I will list above this one. Okay,

59:49

Jeff, fair. Sorry, just trying

59:51

to skip some props. No, it's a great movie.

59:53

I also love dream. Yeah, I know you also

59:55

love this one. So yeah, it's a great movie.

59:57

People should check it out. I think... I

1:00:00

think it will be a movie that is, so

1:00:02

to speak, slept on. But

1:00:04

people shouldn't. It's wildly enjoyable, and

1:00:06

so check it out. Dream scenario.

1:00:09

All right. I just wanna point

1:00:11

out that at this point in the list, there's

1:00:13

only been, I think, one overlap. Yep. So

1:00:16

that is like, in

1:00:19

our first four choices each, there's been 11

1:00:21

unique films, which I

1:00:23

think is kind of great. I have a feeling that's

1:00:25

about to change pretty soon, but

1:00:27

yeah, let's keep going. Number

1:00:30

six, Vivina Hardo, what's your number six film of 2023?

1:00:33

Oh, that trend is not changing just yet.

1:00:35

My number six movie is

1:00:37

Joyland. This is Syme Siddick's

1:00:40

film about a man and

1:00:43

really his family living in modern

1:00:45

day Pakistan in a very

1:00:47

traditional environment and just wanting more,

1:00:49

just wanting more from the confines

1:00:51

of their existence of like a

1:00:53

traditional marriage and a traditional heterosexual

1:00:55

relationship with their wife and everything.

1:00:57

It's about a man who basically,

1:00:59

he joins a burlesque show to

1:01:01

make money. It's not really, it's

1:01:04

kind of looked down upon, so he tries to keep it a

1:01:07

secret. He ends up falling in love with the star of that

1:01:09

show, who's a trans woman. And this

1:01:11

is a movie about him exploring his sexual

1:01:13

identity and just trying to figure everything out.

1:01:15

But also it's about the

1:01:17

women in his life too and what his wife

1:01:19

is going through and what the old

1:01:21

lady who lives on the street, who visits his

1:01:23

dad is going through. Like it is a very

1:01:25

multi-layered perspective of life in

1:01:28

a very restrictive traditional society and

1:01:30

people just trying to strive for

1:01:32

more or trying to like break against the confines of

1:01:34

it. I think it's a wonderful film and

1:01:38

I think it's something everybody should see and

1:01:40

it's also easily accessible right now. It's on the

1:01:42

Criterion Channel. You could just go there and

1:01:44

watch this movie. It's fantastic. That's Joyland by

1:01:46

Syme Siddick. I love the

1:01:49

out of the box pic, Devendra. I don't recall you

1:01:51

mentioning this and it would have been watching it. I

1:01:53

mean, it's been a couple of weeks. Yeah, is this

1:01:55

something you watched in the last month I

1:01:57

watched it two weeks ago and it's just not something I brought up

1:01:59

in what we've been watching. Right, right. That's

1:02:01

great. I love you know, criterion had

1:02:03

actually a really great year. Yeah, honestly criterion channel

1:02:06

had like a bunch of great premieres There was

1:02:08

another movie called Godland on there that I really

1:02:10

wanted to try check out before Godland Is there

1:02:12

a fire is there the eight mountains? Like there's

1:02:14

so many movies that I'm just like oh like

1:02:16

I really wanted to get to all those before

1:02:18

my top ten Didn't have a chance glad you

1:02:20

had a chance to check out joy land and

1:02:22

make it your number six. It's streaming right now in criteria

1:02:26

Jeff Kanata your number six almost 2023

1:02:29

My number six film is

1:02:32

John wick four Here

1:02:37

the table will kill my father me

1:02:42

everyone because you put them I

1:03:18

Always want to have at least one pure

1:03:20

fun movie on my list and this is

1:03:22

it this year I said in our initial

1:03:25

review of John wick four and

1:03:27

I still believe That it

1:03:30

may be the best pure action

1:03:32

movie i've ever seen We

1:03:36

could remove full dialogue scenes, uh and

1:03:38

make this movie shorter. I think they

1:03:40

did Remove

1:03:43

a few more, you know, yeah, we don't

1:03:45

necessarily need to know all the machinations of

1:03:48

the villain Is that true? Yes,

1:03:50

could it be a little shorter? Yes, but Does

1:03:53

that matter because i'm here

1:03:56

for the kick-ass action and this

1:03:58

movie delivers it Over

1:04:00

and over and over it keeps topping itself

1:04:03

and it's some of the most fun I've had

1:04:05

at the theater all year and for that alone

1:04:07

it deserves entry on my list. I had a

1:04:09

blast with John Wick 4 and You

1:04:13

know, I I think it

1:04:15

will be a movie I revisit a lot just

1:04:17

that best watch stairs of 2023 in hey look

1:04:19

so that use of the Arc de Triomphe Jeff

1:04:26

I Gotta admit John with

1:04:28

chapter 4 also my number six

1:04:30

choice And

1:04:35

I agree completely with you, you know, we talked about this

1:04:37

I Literally, you know We

1:04:39

all took you could probably tell we all took

1:04:41

notes for the for our top tens and my

1:04:43

first line in my notes was It's not going

1:04:45

to win any awards for screenwriting John

1:04:50

Wick himself speaks 380

1:04:53

lines during the course of the movie

1:04:56

three hour over a you know

1:04:59

168 minute runtime. Yeah, he speaks

1:05:01

very few words during the course of

1:05:03

the whole film but This

1:05:06

movie for me defines the concept

1:05:08

of generous Filmmaking these

1:05:11

people who made this movie Did

1:05:13

not want to make a movie unless

1:05:15

they felt they could deliver you something fresh and new

1:05:18

they were like We're not gonna make a movie unless

1:05:20

we can make it worth it. We're not you know,

1:05:22

I Dare say there

1:05:24

are people out there that make movies just

1:05:26

for the money, you know, just for other reasons, right?

1:05:29

I dare say it and these are

1:05:31

people that like yes, obviously they're bending benefiting financially

1:05:33

for the movie But they wanted to make a

1:05:35

movie that would show you something you hadn't seen

1:05:37

before And sure

1:05:39

there's some repetition with previous John Wick

1:05:42

movies But there are some amazing action

1:05:44

concepts that are executed breathtakingly in this

1:05:46

movie staircase sequence the Arc de Triomphe

1:05:49

sequence And there's an overhead

1:05:51

shoot out that I literally screamed. Yeah,

1:05:53

I saw it for the first time

1:05:55

it was Gaspsling it was

1:05:57

just amazing. And so so many

1:06:00

Amazing moments. I had a great time in the theater. This is

1:06:02

one of the few movies I watched more than once in the

1:06:04

theater this year Um, I loved

1:06:06

it great choice. Jeff konata john wick

1:06:08

chapter four. It's jeff konata and my

1:06:11

number six choice for 2023 All

1:06:14

right folks Getting real now

1:06:16

into the top five Here

1:06:19

we go Devinger

1:06:21

hard or what's your number five film of 2023? Well,

1:06:24

i've got also got another adrenaline pumping action

1:06:26

movie for you guys And

1:06:28

that is my number five film is perfect

1:06:30

days. This is vinbender's film

1:06:33

About a tokyo bathroom attendant who spends

1:06:35

his days cleaning toilets, uh public toilets

1:06:39

And trying to capture the beauty of the world around

1:06:41

him too. He's a fascinating figure

1:06:43

because um, it's vinbender So

1:06:45

it's like paris texas, you know, it's like his

1:06:47

movies that are very chill very like atmospheric Just

1:06:49

following these characters around seeing them live their lives

1:06:52

But this man is so fascinating because he lives

1:06:54

in a very very basic tokyo

1:06:56

apartment doesn't even have its own bath He has

1:06:58

to go to the public bath to uh to

1:07:00

actually, you know clean up But

1:07:02

he gets out every day He looks up and

1:07:05

he admires the sky and he mires the world

1:07:07

around him and he does his job dutifully He

1:07:09

does his job perfectly and at lunch

1:07:11

He sits at the same bench every day and

1:07:13

tries to take a picture of the way sunlight

1:07:16

kind of casts through leaves and just

1:07:18

tries to capture that sense of transcendence

1:07:20

He's somebody who totally lives in the

1:07:22

now and has found like perfect happiness

1:07:24

in doing that And um,

1:07:26

you know that it doesn't always work out

1:07:28

well for him, but as an overall

1:07:31

like life philosophy I thought this was a deeply

1:07:33

moving movie about about

1:07:35

just recognizing that about living in the now

1:07:38

And trying to trying to give every

1:07:40

moment you're all and just not Basically

1:07:43

appreciating like everything around you when you can

1:07:45

even when you're cleaning the toilets in tokyo

1:07:47

Like I found this movie very profound. So

1:07:49

I loved it Also great soundtrack because

1:07:51

it's vin vendors like there's classic rock every day. I

1:07:54

mean, it's called perfect days So you've got lu read

1:07:56

on it too. Um, just the

1:07:58

vibe of it the aesthetic of it I

1:08:00

really liked hanging out with this character. It also

1:08:03

it's just an exploration of Tokyo. It's just Casually

1:08:07

going around Tokyo and seeing these perks in places

1:08:09

too. I Frickin love

1:08:11

this movie. So that's perfect days by been vendors

1:08:13

And I think it'll be available in theaters or

1:08:15

on video in demand in like February is or

1:08:18

yeah next like two months It was a limited

1:08:20

release. Yeah, I watched this movie this week Prepare

1:08:23

for the top ten. It's not in my top ten, but I

1:08:25

really liked it a lot My

1:08:27

wife loved it. She thought it was incredible Walter.

1:08:30

Ciao wrote a really remarkable review of this thing,

1:08:32

too So I want to bring up a couple

1:08:34

things about this movie that I enjoyed first of

1:08:36

all He

1:08:38

I think he's a he's a worker for

1:08:40

something called the Tokyo Toilet Project. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm

1:08:42

and The

1:08:45

Tokyo Toilet Project basically imagines Like

1:08:49

like has these really well designed

1:08:51

public toilets each of which is

1:08:53

different Yeah, and one of

1:08:55

the best parts of the movie is just

1:08:57

looking at these toilets They're beautiful the frickin

1:08:59

you close the door and like the frosted

1:09:01

glass just covers. Yeah Shroud to

1:09:03

you imagine the toilet in a public place sitting in

1:09:06

the middle of a park It's made

1:09:08

out of glass. Yeah go inside you lock it and

1:09:10

then all the glass like frost right? Like yeah, it's

1:09:12

you know, like that may want to that's one of

1:09:14

the toilet and every single one has a distinct personality

1:09:16

In fact, I looked up the making

1:09:19

of this movie and it was originally conceived as

1:09:21

a series of shorts about the toilets Yes, and

1:09:23

I was like and then I didn't surprise me because

1:09:25

I'm like, oh wow Oh, yeah, anytime we're not with the

1:09:27

toilets. I'm like, when can we get back to me? where

1:09:30

the Day

1:09:33

for you Of

1:09:35

our public infrastructure to you of the fact that you

1:09:38

can never I lived in New

1:09:40

York So I always have to like go

1:09:42

find a bathroom, especially when you're having with

1:09:44

kids and stuff like you'll never find that

1:09:46

You'll never find it decently American public service

1:09:48

or terrible. Well, we fair one in New

1:09:50

York New York toilet also has its own

1:09:52

identity. It's just a terrible The

1:09:57

other thing that I really appreciated about this

1:10:00

It honestly gave me like photography goals. So what

1:10:02

he does is in the movie He takes pictures

1:10:04

and then he develops all of

1:10:06

them and then he like looks at he like looks at

1:10:08

them in sequence And then the ones

1:10:10

he doesn't like he rips up which I'm like, he's

1:10:13

just using it. This little camera. Nothing fancy He rips

1:10:15

like on once he likes he puts in a box

1:10:17

and like puts like, you know Yeah month and year

1:10:19

on them and then puts it in a pile and

1:10:21

I'm like, I'm gonna start doing that. I gotta start No,

1:10:25

I start I take a lot of pictures, but I don't like

1:10:28

do anything to Think about organize

1:10:30

it printing your own photos like a very

1:10:32

profound experience And so I like I

1:10:34

like the fact that he doesn't miss it So there's a lot of

1:10:36

things to like about the movie He didn't make

1:10:38

my top ten, but I I think there's gonna be

1:10:40

a lot of people that will enjoy it So yeah,

1:10:43

the Vindra is making a top ten list of movies

1:10:45

that Jeff still needs to see That

1:10:49

is the Vindra hardware is number five Jeff

1:10:52

Kanata, what's your number five movie of 2023 my

1:10:54

number five is Across

1:10:57

the spider-verse. Oh First

1:11:01

spider-verse I believe was on all

1:11:03

of our list. I think it

1:11:05

was Davis number one Mm-hmm, and

1:11:07

I think this one surpasses it

1:11:09

in nearly every way it

1:11:12

takes the visuals the storytelling the

1:11:14

animation techniques the references all

1:11:16

of it to the next level and This

1:11:19

movie felt like as I said

1:11:21

a reward for decades of comic book

1:11:24

reading on my part It's

1:11:26

thrilling and fun and I

1:11:28

don't even mind that it ended on a cliffhanger That

1:11:31

may be many years in the coming

1:11:33

be resolved. I had

1:11:35

such a great time Dazzled

1:11:37

by across the spider-verse which is why

1:11:39

it's my number five Well

1:11:41

people are gonna accuse me of copying Jeff

1:11:44

Kanata's list starting out Wow,

1:11:46

spider-man across the spider-verse is also

1:11:48

my number five choice 2023

1:11:51

we have a Pod

1:11:54

over here. I have a feeling that some of

1:11:56

my choices will also appear on higher up on

1:12:00

Well, but yes, you know, people always say

1:12:02

Dave you and I have exactly okay Look

1:12:11

there's there's some things going against this film

1:12:14

Okay There have been reports that the workers

1:12:16

behind the movie weren't treated very well and

1:12:18

also in my opinion It's only half a

1:12:20

movie and as Jeff hinted, we're not

1:12:22

gonna get the other half until late 2024 earliest Probably

1:12:25

2025 if not, even later than

1:12:27

that. Oh, yeah, I'm getting 2026 maybe But

1:12:31

despite all this I have to acknowledge this

1:12:33

movie has some of the most innovative

1:12:35

animation I've ever seen You

1:12:38

have characters of wildly different designs interacting

1:12:40

with each other sometimes with different frame

1:12:42

rates Interacting with each other, but

1:12:44

it all feels seamless and beautiful We've

1:12:47

seen so many animated films at this point guys like

1:12:50

Disney Pixar DreamWorks illumination like and

1:12:52

their style It

1:12:54

kind of has gotten a little samey over time. It's

1:12:56

kind of like oh, hey We kind of understand what

1:12:59

the limits of this technology are and yes, it can

1:13:01

be impressive occasionally We all kind of get it It

1:13:04

all feels a little bit of the same It's nice to be

1:13:06

surprised by what animation can do and

1:13:08

that's what this movie does and

1:13:11

it also has a story that has a lot of

1:13:13

heart in it, too, you know, so Clearly

1:13:15

is told by people who love the source material.

1:13:17

So Yeah,

1:13:20

you and I simpatico. Yeah, two

1:13:22

choices and then never again But

1:13:26

that is my number five choice of 2023 Let's

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take one last break for a sponsor. We'll be

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this Let's get to the

1:13:37

final four in our top ten films of 2023

1:13:40

Divin your heart or your number four choice?

1:13:43

For your top ten films of 2023 sure.

1:13:45

My number four film is made

1:13:48

December There's

1:13:50

three aren't they? Hey

1:14:00

They're a very beloved part of this community.

1:14:04

I can see that. So,

1:14:10

what is it you love most

1:14:12

about Gracie? She

1:14:15

always knows what she wants. She's

1:14:18

unapologetic. I

1:14:20

think Todd Haynes made one of the most fascinating

1:14:22

films of the year. It starts out with a

1:14:24

relatively simple premise, but it really starts to branch

1:14:26

out after that. I think it's about so many

1:14:29

things. It's about our obsession

1:14:31

with tabloid drama. It's about the vampiric

1:14:33

nature of retelling true

1:14:35

stories and the damage

1:14:37

that those tabloid situations can have on real

1:14:39

people. Also, a really,

1:14:41

really messed up relationship. It's also about

1:14:44

that. I love this

1:14:46

movie. I can't stop thinking about it. My

1:14:49

wife and I talk about it quite often. I

1:14:51

recommend it to my parents. I did

1:14:53

not watch it with them. But I did watch it multiple

1:14:55

times this year. I just think it is a wonderful

1:14:58

little drama that is perfectly

1:15:00

acted. It's

1:15:03

a script from, I think, basically a first time or

1:15:05

two. There's

1:15:07

just so much going on in this movie. I cannot stop

1:15:09

thinking about it. That is why it's my number four. This

1:15:13

is a great choice, Devendra. I love this movie. It

1:15:15

was almost in my top ten as well. Natalie

1:15:19

Portman delivers one of the best performances I've seen

1:15:22

of the year in this movie. I think it's

1:15:24

a great choice. May, December,

1:15:26

streaming on Netflix, Devendra's number four film

1:15:28

of 2023. Jeff

1:15:32

Kannada, it's

1:15:35

time for your number four. I'm going to say, dude, if you

1:15:37

choose my number four, which is to say... There

1:15:40

will be blows. Magic Mike's Last Dance. I'm going to be so

1:15:42

pissed. Oh, the fl action.

1:15:53

Excuse me. Oh, Ned. Do you have

1:15:55

any books for the writer to loan

1:15:57

yourselves? I'm

1:16:08

not sure I would

1:16:10

imagine that this author,

1:16:12

Ellison, is black. That's

1:16:19

me. Ellison. He

1:16:24

is me and he

1:16:26

and I are black. Oh bingo. No

1:16:28

bingo Ned. These books have nothing

1:16:30

to do with African American studies.

1:16:33

The blackest thing about this one

1:16:35

is the ink. I

1:16:39

don't decide what sections the books go in and

1:16:41

no one here does. That's how chain

1:16:43

stores work. Right.

1:16:46

Ned. You don't make the rules.

1:16:49

Nice. I absolutely love movies

1:16:51

like this. Movies about

1:16:54

smart people wrestling with the challenge

1:16:56

of creating great art. And

1:17:00

Jeffrey Wright as a leading man. Can

1:17:03

we have more of that please? He's fantastic

1:17:05

in this as is the supporting cast and

1:17:08

the social commentary in this

1:17:10

movie is challenging and thought

1:17:12

provoking. It's a wonderful movie.

1:17:15

I adore it. American

1:17:17

fiction. Great

1:17:20

choice. I really

1:17:23

loved what that movie was wrestling

1:17:25

with. This idea of people being

1:17:27

expected to perform their

1:17:29

race in public settings

1:17:32

and obviously Jeffrey Wright,

1:17:34

one of our great actors. So a lovely choice. Number

1:17:38

four choice for Jeff Kanata, American fiction.

1:17:41

It's time for my number four choice. My

1:17:44

number four choice is poor things. Nice.

1:17:47

Poor things. A boldly original film has my

1:17:49

favorite performance of the year. Favorite actress of

1:17:51

the year actually. Emma

1:17:54

Stone who I thought did

1:17:57

such a great job in both poor things and the

1:17:59

curse. She's just like has

1:18:02

a has won a spot in my

1:18:04

heart forever. She plays Bella Baxter

1:18:06

and she does it with so much fearlessness

1:18:08

and humor that this movie is irresistible. This

1:18:11

movie is about how Bella is able to

1:18:13

continually flummox the frequently horrible

1:18:15

men around her just by being herself,

1:18:18

learning and making her way in the world.

1:18:20

It's funny, it's creative, it's a

1:18:22

great time. I love this movie.

1:18:24

It's poor things, my number four choice. I know

1:18:26

it's a movie all of us love. So

1:18:29

yeah. All right guys, we're

1:18:32

getting to it. Top three movies

1:18:34

of 2023. I

1:18:36

mean. I can't say my entire top four, like

1:18:40

it could all, most of it

1:18:42

could just have been shuffled in any position. Like

1:18:44

those movies are all, it was hard

1:18:46

for me to get

1:18:49

granular on where they fit. You

1:18:51

know, they're all so, so good.

1:18:53

Interesting, the

1:18:55

opposite for me. I'm like I really back in.

1:18:57

I felt strongly about these four

1:19:00

in these positions. I

1:19:02

felt strongly about which four, I didn't know

1:19:05

which position of those. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:19:07

I don't know, usually I'm kind of like

1:19:09

that Jeff, but this year I was like,

1:19:11

this is very, sometimes it's just like

1:19:13

very clear. And this year for me it was very

1:19:15

clear. But the Vinger Hardwar, it seems like it's very

1:19:17

clear for you as well. What

1:19:19

was your number three film of 2023? My

1:19:22

number three film is The Boy and the Heron. I

1:19:25

think this is the ultimate Miyazaki movie. It

1:19:27

is one that is reckoning with

1:19:29

Japan's past and also his own like

1:19:31

role in it and part of it.

1:19:35

But also it deals with the legacy of

1:19:37

what we leave behind. And as an aging

1:19:39

genius, like I wonder if that is, it

1:19:42

must be something he is thinking about quite

1:19:44

well, quite a lot. I

1:19:46

just really think it's a beautiful film. Like it's beautifully

1:19:48

animated. We've gotten so much good animation

1:19:50

this year, but it is both Miyazaki

1:19:53

and also Studio Ghibli

1:19:55

showing that it can do

1:19:57

things beyond just the Miyazaki style too. did

1:20:00

find it like fascinating to see like

1:20:02

other animation styles within a Miyazaki movie.

1:20:05

I love this movie. I think

1:20:07

it's like wonderfully imaginative. It has

1:20:09

those big fantasy Miyazaki sequences. It

1:20:11

is so painful. It looks like

1:20:14

it's painstakingly put together too in

1:20:16

terms of just how gorgeous the

1:20:18

animation is. This

1:20:21

movie, if this is his last one, I think this

1:20:23

is a hell of a way to go out. The

1:20:26

Boy and the Heron, a great

1:20:28

work from one of the masters and

1:20:31

a great choice for David your Hardwar's number

1:20:33

three film of 2023. Jeff Kanata, your number

1:20:38

three film of 2023. Number three for

1:20:40

me is dream scenario. Who's

1:20:43

certain they've actually had a dream about me?

1:20:46

Okay, let's explore this. This might get us

1:20:49

some more interesting. Does anyone

1:20:51

want to share the content of their dream? Yes,

1:20:53

you. Well, I'm

1:20:56

in this forest wandering around eating

1:20:59

these strange mushrooms and

1:21:02

I'm in like a full tuxedo for

1:21:04

some reason. Mmm-hmm. It's

1:21:06

such a fun funny wild movie

1:21:08

and with

1:21:10

an incredible premise which

1:21:13

it makes the most of, you know,

1:21:15

it really explores in really fun ways.

1:21:17

Yeah. And I think this

1:21:19

is the movie on my list that

1:21:22

is the most of its time.

1:21:24

The most of our time. Yes.

1:21:26

Most eloquently to the times we are living in. 100%.

1:21:28

100%. And I, you know, I always love movies

1:21:33

that use magic, fantastical

1:21:35

elements to comment on

1:21:38

the mundane truth of

1:21:40

living and this movie speaks to

1:21:42

the mundane truth of living in 2023 with these

1:21:45

beautiful flights of fancy, this

1:21:48

wonderful premise and

1:21:50

it does it with humor and insight.

1:21:52

Nick Cage is great. This

1:21:55

movie is great and it's

1:21:57

one I'll be thinking of for a long time.

1:21:59

Dream scenario. I

1:22:01

had a feeling you put this higher up on your list Jeff. I

1:22:04

also loved it as well And and

1:22:06

now I am feeling like if your number

1:22:08

one is not my number one My

1:22:11

number one might be your number two if

1:22:14

that makes any sense, but we'll find out momentarily

1:22:16

but It's

1:22:19

interesting this is I think this is the year where I've had

1:22:21

the most Overlap with Jeff

1:22:23

at the same time. I've had the least

1:22:25

overlap with the Vindra Like

1:22:28

I don't think that's ever really how she's out

1:22:30

playing in his own field over here. I love

1:22:32

the variety So

1:22:35

my number three film of 2023 is

1:22:37

Godzilla minus one. Ooh There

1:22:40

are many things I expect from a Godzilla movie

1:22:43

I probably expect a sense of scale some

1:22:46

city destruction a really cool creature designed for

1:22:48

Godzilla What I

1:22:50

don't expect is a emotionally powerful

1:22:52

movie about sacrifice and found

1:22:54

family Godzilla minus one has some

1:22:56

of the most thrilling action scenes of the year

1:22:59

a spectacular final act and an

1:23:01

emotional core that makes this The

1:23:03

best Godzilla movie I have ever

1:23:05

seen my favorite at least I

1:23:08

loved it. You got to see it with

1:23:10

great image and sound if possible. It's

1:23:12

Godzilla minus one Love

1:23:15

this movie. So that's

1:23:17

my number three film of 2023 All

1:23:21

right guys good we do it top two

1:23:25

Vindra hardware Your

1:23:28

number two film of 2023.

1:23:30

This is when we are starting to

1:23:32

finally overlap. Yeah, my number two movie is

1:23:35

across the spider-verse Oh

1:24:04

Wow,

1:24:15

yeah,

1:24:17

for most of this year, this was my

1:24:19

number one movie because it feels like a

1:24:22

miracle. It feels like, you know, it's

1:24:24

a stunning fall out into the Spider-Verse, but to

1:24:26

me, it's even more astounding that it's a better

1:24:29

movie in so many ways too. It's visually more

1:24:31

ambitious. It's narratively trying to go for more while

1:24:33

also like being more intimate

1:24:35

with Miles and his

1:24:37

parents and also with other characters too. But I

1:24:39

think like the reason I love this movie so

1:24:41

much is that it shows us that anything

1:24:44

is possible with animation. This

1:24:46

is why I love animations, movies like this

1:24:48

and The Boy and the Heron too. Like

1:24:50

these are just artists working at a world-class

1:24:52

level, you know, at a very high level

1:24:54

with genius writers behind them too and a

1:24:57

whole team that is just dedicated to producing

1:24:59

like one of the most unique things we've

1:25:01

ever seen. So there are shots from this

1:25:03

movie that I think are just some

1:25:05

of the most beautiful things I've ever seen. I wish

1:25:07

I could like wallpaper my entire house with stills from

1:25:10

this movie. I love

1:25:12

Across the Spider-Verse and yeah, it is half a movie, but

1:25:14

it did not feel that way to me. It

1:25:16

felt like a complete, this felt complete. It's just the

1:25:18

ending leaves me wanting more. That's

1:25:21

all. It's a great

1:25:23

choice. Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse, the

1:25:26

only movie that has appeared on all of our lists

1:25:28

at this point, is that right? Yeah, I think so.

1:25:30

As it should be. Yeah. At this moment

1:25:32

that could change in the next 10 seconds.

1:25:36

Jeff Kanata, your number two

1:25:39

film of 2023. And so it

1:25:41

shall. My

1:25:43

number two is poor things. It

1:25:45

could have only became much weepy and

1:25:47

sweary when you discovered my whoring. I

1:26:02

generally charged 30 francs. Well that

1:26:05

seems low. Ooh Which

1:26:07

I believe was on everybody else's lists

1:26:09

as well. It's such a bold and

1:26:12

interesting vision. It takes familiar

1:26:14

classical tropes and grounds them in

1:26:16

a way that resonates even more

1:26:18

in a modern context and yet

1:26:21

The setting the filmmaking the look

1:26:23

and feel of this movie is

1:26:25

anything but grounded. It's a

1:26:28

fable It's a fairy tale with gorgeous

1:26:30

effortless world-building that

1:26:32

brings us on a journey of

1:26:35

self-discovery and pure adventure That is

1:26:37

funny sexy and ultimately enlightening It's

1:26:40

a movie unlike anything else this year and I

1:26:42

am so glad I got to see poor things Awesome

1:26:45

Jeff. I'm so glad you love that

1:26:47

movie. Yeah, so poor things and spider-man

1:26:50

across spider-verse The only

1:26:52

things that the film cast I was gonna agree on in

1:26:54

terms of good movies this year Jeff

1:26:58

I I feel like we might have the

1:27:00

same number one movie I bet you guys

1:27:02

feel it I do not think

1:27:04

you like this movie as much as me That's

1:27:07

I think we might have the same number of movie

1:27:09

of the year. We're gonna find out momentarily. Wow. It's

1:27:12

um I'm

1:27:15

just wet. We're just wet. I'm on the edge of my seat. I'm on the

1:27:17

edge of my seat about this Uh, but

1:27:19

okay. Anyway, my number two film

1:27:21

of 2023 Is

1:27:24

past lives Is he attractive?

1:27:28

I think so He's

1:27:31

really masculine in this way that I

1:27:33

think is so Korean Are

1:27:38

you attracted to him I

1:27:45

don't think so. I don't

1:27:47

know. I mean I don't think so Hmm,

1:27:51

uh selene song's movie about an

1:27:53

immigrant woman named nora Reconnecting with a

1:27:55

former friend is filled with longing and

1:27:57

regret, but it's also about a different

1:28:00

slice of the immigrant experience. It's not about what

1:28:02

happens to the people who leave and go somewhere

1:28:04

else. It's equally about what

1:28:06

happens to the people who stay behind and

1:28:08

all the stories that don't get to happen because

1:28:11

those stories are interrupted. It's a

1:28:13

beautiful film with soulful performances and it just

1:28:15

makes you think about all the connections you

1:28:17

have in your life and all the ones

1:28:19

you've missed. Stuff that I personally spend a

1:28:22

lot of time thinking about in my own time. A wonderful

1:28:25

debut, beautiful movie, definitely

1:28:28

one that was very thought

1:28:30

provoking for me. I would strongly recommend you watch

1:28:33

Past Lives. I absolutely love

1:28:35

this movie, Dave. I watched

1:28:37

it last night because I

1:28:39

knew it was going to be on your list. I

1:28:42

did. I watched it last night and I thought

1:28:45

it was a lovely movie. It is certainly

1:28:47

one of my honorable mentions. It

1:28:50

did not make my top ten. I

1:28:52

think it's a sweet small little movie, a

1:28:55

beautiful patient movie. It's about

1:28:58

the moments in between the

1:29:01

lines. I

1:29:04

really was glad I watched it but unfortunately

1:29:06

did not make my top ten. One of

1:29:08

my favorite opening scenes of the year too.

1:29:10

It is just unconventional how it tells this

1:29:12

story and how it presents these characters and

1:29:14

where it goes. It's fascinating. I'm just going

1:29:16

to say, Jeff, I'm touched that you watch

1:29:18

it. I'm touched that you checked it out

1:29:20

because I haven't been banging

1:29:23

the drum about Past Lives for the last few months but the

1:29:25

fact that you thought about it, it's

1:29:27

touching. Thanks for checking out, Jeff. All right. Here

1:29:31

it is, our number one film

1:29:34

of 2023. Let's

1:29:38

start with Devinger Hardwar. Devinger Hardwar.

1:29:41

What is your number one film of 2023? Once

1:29:43

again, I bet I'm an outlier here but

1:29:45

my number one film of 2023, 2023 is Killers

1:29:52

of the Flower Moon. It shows itself to you

1:29:54

that Bill Smith didn't take the proper care of

1:29:56

many the way he could have. To have

1:29:59

a second Take her head rights

1:30:02

and the land. That

1:30:05

oil we should go to her sister is your wife.

1:30:07

When you take your money there by rights you call

1:30:09

Molly. The

1:30:13

mother Lizzie? She

1:30:21

loves my chain. She won't let

1:30:24

it. Most

1:30:26

of those things don't let past families. When

1:30:30

these women die and when I will say you suffer

1:30:32

from illness, you have to make it the

1:30:34

head right to come to you. You

1:30:37

see? I

1:30:40

call this movie a masterpiece in our review, and

1:30:43

I still feel this way about it. This year

1:30:45

we've seen so many directors make

1:30:47

films that feel like they're the culmination of their careers.

1:30:51

It's Miyazaki telling the

1:30:53

story about a master who can't keep his

1:30:55

talents moving forward. I

1:31:00

think even Napoleon feels like that a little bit for

1:31:02

Ridley Scott and just the way he makes movies. I

1:31:07

think once again Scorsese is flashy. He

1:31:09

is focusing on flashy criminals, but what is fascinating

1:31:11

about this movie is that they're not

1:31:14

so flashy. They're actually just

1:31:16

pure evil. It's a symbol

1:31:18

of America's racism and relentless

1:31:20

desire to destroy Native lives

1:31:22

and culture. I think

1:31:25

this is a powerful film. I think Lily

1:31:27

Gladstone is a wonder in it. I cannot

1:31:29

stop thinking about this movie

1:31:31

and what this movie means for the state of America

1:31:33

and how you could draw a straight line from this

1:31:36

original sin of America, the

1:31:38

way they treated Natives, basically to everything

1:31:40

still happening now. I

1:31:43

hope it leads to more powerful explorations

1:31:46

of Native peoples. I think it's incredible

1:31:48

to see Scorsese make such a thing

1:31:50

that feels even more mature than he's ever done, even though

1:31:53

he's in his 80s. He

1:31:55

has been doing this for a long time. It still

1:31:57

feels like he's still learning. To me, that's a

1:31:59

great story. that is fascinating too. It's

1:32:03

a great film and one that I

1:32:05

was so, I feel so lucky to have been able to

1:32:07

see this movie in a theater. I

1:32:10

had this weird feeling when I watched Killas of

1:32:12

the Flower Moon, I'm like, you're not

1:32:14

gonna get too many more of these, David Chen. Honestly,

1:32:16

that's how I felt. It was like, you're not gonna

1:32:18

get a chance to see like an epic movie by

1:32:20

one of the great directors of all time in a

1:32:22

movie theater for that much longer. I

1:32:24

don't know, it just feels like that whole generation

1:32:26

of filmmakers is getting

1:32:29

older and they're making movies right until

1:32:31

the end and I love that. But

1:32:34

you know, like, what are the movies that are gonna be, is there

1:32:36

gonna be a movie like Killas of the Flower Moon coming out in

1:32:38

10 years, 20 years, I don't know. I

1:32:40

feel lucky to have been around when a movie like this

1:32:42

was able to come out. It's a

1:32:44

great choice for Devindra's number one movie

1:32:47

of 2023, Killas of the Flower Moon.

1:32:51

Jeff Kanata, should we count from three to one and say

1:32:53

it at the same time? Like what are you? No.

1:32:57

I think they might be the same, but I'm surprised. I

1:33:00

will let you go first, I will let you go first, okay? Jeff

1:33:03

Kanata, what is your number one film

1:33:05

of 2023? Well,

1:33:08

Dave, I

1:33:11

guess you can say my number one film of

1:33:14

2023 is best summed up in

1:33:17

the form of a limerick. You

1:33:21

ready? Always. I'm

1:33:23

trying, I'm trying to be. There

1:33:26

were some spots that were too

1:33:28

close to call. I

1:33:33

know where this is going. Yeah, yeah,

1:33:35

yeah. But one film stands over the

1:33:37

wall. It

1:33:39

could not have been cooler because

1:33:41

it stars Sandra Huler. It's

1:33:46

Anatomy of a Fall. Yeah.

1:33:51

Nicely done, Jeff. Is yours also Anatomy of

1:33:53

a Fall, Dave? My number one film of

1:33:55

2023 is also Anatomy of a

1:33:57

Fall. I'm

1:34:00

sorry to interrupt, I'm sorry. But I

1:34:03

don't know, you come here,

1:34:06

okay, with maybe your opinion, and

1:34:08

you tell me who somewhere

1:34:12

it was and what we were going through. But

1:34:15

what you say is

1:34:18

just a little

1:34:20

part of the whole situation, you

1:34:23

know. I

1:34:25

mean, sometimes a

1:34:27

couple is kind

1:34:30

of a chaos, and everybody is

1:34:32

lost, no? And sometimes we

1:34:34

fight together, and sometimes we fight alone,

1:34:36

and sometimes we fight against each

1:34:39

other, that happens. And I think it's

1:34:41

possible that Samuel needed

1:34:44

to see things the way you describe

1:34:46

them, but if

1:34:49

I've been seeing a therapist, he could

1:34:51

stand here too and say very ugly

1:34:53

things about Samuel, but would those

1:34:55

things be true? High five.

1:34:57

You fall together. Air high five. I don't think you

1:34:59

loved it as much as I did. I thought it

1:35:01

was pretty obvious what mine

1:35:04

was going to be, but I

1:35:06

did not recall you. I

1:35:09

know you liked it, but I didn't know it was your

1:35:11

favorite movie of the year. I will just do my little

1:35:13

spiel here. This

1:35:16

is a film of delicious

1:35:18

mysteries and simple,

1:35:20

beautiful humanity. It

1:35:23

shows how complicated relationships can

1:35:25

be and how inscrutable they

1:35:27

inevitably are from the outside.

1:35:29

It forces us to question our own

1:35:32

assumptions and challenges the notion that we

1:35:34

can judge from the outside looking in.

1:35:36

The performances are incredible, the

1:35:38

filmmaking raw. It's

1:35:41

my favorite movie of the year.

1:35:43

I hope everyone makes

1:35:45

a point to see Anatomy of a Fall, and

1:35:47

I notice it has hit VOD. Yes.

1:35:50

Please check it out. It's incredible.

1:35:53

Sandra Huler, I hope, is nominated for an Academy

1:35:55

Award. She is exquisite

1:35:57

in the movie. I

1:36:01

think the supporting cast is also excellent Riveting

1:36:04

filmmaking that challenges your notions of

1:36:06

what you can think about the

1:36:08

world and and other people And

1:36:11

I'm so pleased that it is also your

1:36:13

number one Dave Yeah,

1:36:16

I think what is great

1:36:18

about Anatomy of a fall is it

1:36:20

is about How

1:36:23

unknowable things are right? That's what

1:36:25

it is about what

1:36:28

happened to this film by Justin Crete is There

1:36:32

is a fall a an incident

1:36:34

where someone falls that

1:36:36

is catastrophic and it becomes the defining event

1:36:38

of this family's life and Beyond

1:36:42

just following what happens with the protagonist

1:36:44

Sandra and the recriminations and investigations that

1:36:47

come The movies about how

1:36:49

we know things how we think we know things

1:36:51

right so many people You

1:36:53

know Jeff we talked about like dream scenario and

1:36:56

how it's of our time. I feel like this

1:36:58

is Equally relevant to

1:37:01

today's society so many

1:37:03

people think they know what other people's

1:37:05

lives are Yeah, you know like

1:37:07

you people see a viral video on tick-tock of

1:37:09

couch guy or whatever and they're like I

1:37:11

think I know what that relationship is because

1:37:14

I saw a 30-second clip. Oh, yeah Or

1:37:17

even on a grander scale you know it

1:37:19

certainly recalls the like Johnny Depp Right

1:37:21

trial that everyone would seem to be hanging

1:37:23

on You

1:37:25

see clips of stuff on the internet you see clips of stuff

1:37:27

on the news and you think I know oh there

1:37:30

those people are like this those people are this

1:37:32

archetype and you

1:37:34

just you you come you jump to all these

1:37:36

conclusions about who people are around you or that you

1:37:38

know or celebrities or who else and What

1:37:41

this movie? Presuppose

1:37:43

is what if you don't know anything? What

1:37:46

if you are looking through looking at a

1:37:49

piece of paper or a map through a

1:37:51

straw you're seeing a tiny glimpse of? This

1:37:54

thing and it's the

1:37:56

proportion of confidence You

1:37:59

know like It's like the level of confidence

1:38:01

is inversely proportional to actual knowledge a lot

1:38:03

of the time, right? People have so much

1:38:06

confidence about like it's definitely like this. It's

1:38:08

definitely like that. And I love

1:38:10

a movie like this that challenges those preconceptions.

1:38:14

It's essentially saying, hey, you don't actually know

1:38:16

anything. Only

1:38:18

the people in the thing know it. Only

1:38:21

the people in the thing know it. And even they're each

1:38:23

only getting half the story, right? This

1:38:25

movie is thrilling. It's meticulous. It's

1:38:28

thought-provoking. It features some of the best performances of

1:38:30

the year, including, by the way, some

1:38:33

incredible dog acting that I don't

1:38:35

even know how they achieve. I

1:38:37

hope it's not method, you know?

1:38:39

I don't even know how that

1:38:41

was accomplished. But it's a

1:38:43

monumental achievement. And I think

1:38:46

it's one that deserves everyone's

1:38:48

attention. And

1:38:50

that's why it's my number one film of

1:38:52

the year. It's Anatomy of a Fall. Also

1:38:54

best villainous lawyer of the year. Hey,

1:38:57

guys, I want to punch him. I just want to

1:38:59

punch him. But he's like, yes, he is. But he's

1:39:01

also like good at his job. He's good at his

1:39:03

good points. He's a good good point. That

1:39:06

wig. He's really wearing that wig, yeah. I

1:39:09

got to say, real

1:39:11

mixed feelings right now. Because

1:39:14

on the one hand, it's always nice to feel like

1:39:16

you're a simpatico with some of your co-hosts, you know?

1:39:18

Who we make the show with. On

1:39:20

the other hand, Jeff really

1:39:22

took the wind out of my sails there, huh? Really?

1:39:27

We had matching number six, matching

1:39:30

number five. We

1:39:33

also both had poor things and dream

1:39:35

scenarios on our list. And

1:39:37

then our number ones were the same. So Jeff Kanata

1:39:40

and I had very similar lists. You're clearly

1:39:42

in a dream scenario with each other. I

1:39:45

need to take a shower. I

1:39:49

am amazed by the way that none of us have

1:39:51

put Oppenheimer in our top 10. No Oppenheimer

1:39:54

list, no Barbie, no Super Mario Bros., you

1:39:56

know, nothing. None of the

1:39:58

top three films of the year. of box

1:40:01

office grosses not surprised about Super Mario Brothers but

1:40:03

yeah well it was I

1:40:05

think yeah good I'm impressed that Davinjo went with

1:40:07

the killers of the Fly Room because I was

1:40:09

gonna point out none of us put the killers

1:40:11

of the loud room but then there it is number one nowhere you know yeah

1:40:13

we have so many more choices discuss

1:40:21

so many movies in our audible

1:40:23

mentions it will be in the after dark

1:40:26

but any any other observations about the list before

1:40:28

you wrap this up for the year I

1:40:31

want to say I think these are all awesome

1:40:33

movies yeah like I'm really happy

1:40:35

to see this variety of movies on our top tens

1:40:38

and I'm excited to check out a lot of the

1:40:40

movies basically chosen to be like hey there there's a

1:40:42

ton of other

1:40:45

great movies yeah here this year you

1:40:48

shall see everything in our top tens

1:40:50

especially my top ten yeah I think

1:40:52

I will admit that seeing

1:40:54

other people's top ten lists does

1:40:57

in some way shape my list a lot

1:40:59

not a lot not a lot it's not

1:41:01

like it's not like it's gonna change my

1:41:03

number one or anything right maybe if I see

1:41:05

Oppenheimer on like 15 top ten

1:41:07

I saw Oppenheimer in everybody's list and I was

1:41:10

like I don't know my list maybe that's like

1:41:12

I can put something else now I don't think

1:41:14

Oppenheimer would have made the list anyway but I'm

1:41:16

just saying like I thought

1:41:18

it was an amazing movie but

1:41:21

I you know I wouldn't yeah

1:41:24

yeah yeah yeah my top ten oh no go

1:41:26

ahead the thing about Oppenheimer is I was

1:41:28

like I kept seeing on everybody's top tens

1:41:30

like maybe I should reassess Oppenheimer maybe I'm

1:41:32

wrong about my feelings and then I look

1:41:34

at the time length of Oppenheimer I'm like

1:41:36

I could watch two other movies that I've

1:41:38

never seen before and actually like have a

1:41:41

new experience with those night that's what I

1:41:43

ended up doing I didn't have time to

1:41:45

rewatch Oppenheimer I think I chose wisely because

1:41:47

I'd rather see those new movies I

1:41:50

would love us to say

1:41:52

what the biggest

1:41:54

surprise on each other's list is I

1:41:58

would say I expected is

1:42:00

afraid to be much higher on your

1:42:02

list Dave. I was shocked at that

1:42:04

10. I'm also very surprised that

1:42:07

Godzilla minus one is that high for you.

1:42:10

I thought Godzilla minus one would be on

1:42:12

D'Vinjur's list. Yeah, me too. I

1:42:14

was surprised. I totally like it. I just had a

1:42:16

profound experience watching Godzilla

1:42:21

minus one. I think like I

1:42:24

was thrilled and I cried. Like it's rare for

1:42:26

a movie to thrill me and also make me

1:42:28

cry. Not as war horse as this happened. How

1:42:30

dare you. I'm just

1:42:32

saying, you just like large animals going

1:42:34

through crisis. Animal,

1:42:37

more, that's all we need. creatures going through crisis. That's

1:42:39

correct. If you had asked me which of the three

1:42:41

of us liked that movie the most, I would have

1:42:43

said D'Vinjur. I mean, I really liked it, but I

1:42:45

think also Dave, you were the one pushing to do

1:42:47

a full review for it. So I think it was

1:42:49

a mutual decision, but

1:42:51

yeah, I think I

1:42:54

just had such a and also

1:42:56

like the other thing. So A, made me

1:42:58

cry. B, it was like thrilling action, etc.

1:43:01

C came out of nowhere. Like it's not

1:43:04

a movie that was even on our radar

1:43:06

three months ago. So yeah, so like for

1:43:08

all those reasons, it's like, Oh, that that,

1:43:10

you know, earns a spot on the list

1:43:12

is like, it's just like, and

1:43:14

I say that because it's like, it's not like it was like endlessly

1:43:16

hype. And then we saw and it's like not as good as we

1:43:18

thought it would right. Honestly,

1:43:21

it was pretty hyped before we saw it, or at least

1:43:23

before I saw it. Sure, sure. But we

1:43:25

were telling you how good it was. Yeah. In

1:43:28

terms of your your list, Jeff, I

1:43:31

don't know that there's that many surprises.

1:43:33

I mean, the horror movies are surprises.

1:43:35

Yeah, putting chalk on me and

1:43:37

no one will save you that you know,

1:43:39

that's that's Jeff, Jeff kind of

1:43:41

turning over a new horror leaf. That's nice to

1:43:43

see. Our influence. I thought at least

1:43:45

one of you would have no one

1:43:47

will save you on your list. It was close. Like

1:43:50

there's so many things. Listen, I basically have a top

1:43:52

30. You know, like there were so many close things.

1:43:54

And I love, I just love that Devinger put how

1:43:56

to put out a global pipeline and is in his number

1:43:58

because it's not a movie we. I've referred

1:44:00

to endlessly on the podcast leading up there and it's always

1:44:02

nice when you get to the end It's like oh you've

1:44:04

been thinking about this movie the whole time. Yeah as well

1:44:07

You know like cool, you know when you get to the

1:44:09

end and that's that happens So yeah, and of course the

1:44:11

Vingers list is full of like a bunch of surprises I

1:44:14

would not have the best killers would make number one for him.

1:44:16

I would not have been I mean I I knew I Yeah,

1:44:20

I think it was gonna it was spider-verse

1:44:23

until I saw killers to be on so

1:44:25

yeah Yeah, and yes, so

1:44:27

the the overlaps on our list we all had poor

1:44:29

things We all had spider-verse

1:44:32

and that's it. I think right Predicted

1:44:35

to I said two or three would be on all

1:44:37

three of our layer. This is probably

1:44:39

one of our most like diverse Set

1:44:43

of lists ever so Love

1:44:45

it guys. Well wonderful

1:44:47

year for movies And

1:44:49

at the end of the day, it's really

1:44:52

impressive that all these movies were made

1:44:55

They're gonna lift off 30 directors Alright

1:45:00

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1:45:26

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1:45:30

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