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Hello everyone

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and welcome to the Filmcast, a podcast

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about movies. I'm

0:24

David Chen and Argyle, more

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like Argyle, I'll really regret watching

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this movie. I

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love how you thought we would have the same one.

0:35

Oh, just wait, just wait. Joining

0:37

me today is Devendra Hardwar. Argyle!

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I'll go see it, I guess, which is

0:43

what I'll say to every single Matthew Vaughn

0:45

movie moving forward. And

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Jeff Kanata. I'm Jeff Kanata and I also

0:51

imagine all the people in my life look

0:53

like Henry Cavill. Wow. You

0:55

missed it. We could have

0:57

had a great three strikes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah,

0:59

but it's better to be surprised. Anyway,

1:03

those are, of course, all vague and oblique

1:05

references to the fact that today on the

1:07

podcast, we're going to be reviewing Argyle, the

1:09

newest film by Matthew Vaughn. You can find

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I mentioned earlier, slash

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[email protected], where you can write in

1:33

some emails. So we're

1:35

going to go over some emails today. We've got some what we've been

1:37

watching, and then we'll get to

1:39

our review. I also want to mention, by the way, that

1:43

we are recording this episode of the podcast quite

1:46

early. We're recording it on

1:48

Friday, February 2nd. We

1:50

usually record the Monday before the Tuesday that it comes

1:53

out. And I only bring that up

1:55

because in case something major has happened in the

1:57

world, between now and when

1:59

this episode ends, It is really we cannot

2:01

comment. We cannot comment. That's why we're talking

2:03

about also. We should mention why we're doing

2:05

that David Why is that well couple reasons?

2:08

Yeah, somebody's having a birth Yes,

2:13

it's the vendor hardware's birthday we typically record on Monday

2:15

and divinjora made the very reasonable request Hey, it'll be

2:17

great to not have to record on my birthday. So

2:19

hey, I would like not to talk to you guys

2:23

Yeah, so that's our gift to you is not

2:26

having to speak with Thank you,

2:28

that is I could not ask for anything more for

2:30

my 40th birthday, you know Yeah,

2:35

so by the time you're listening to this

2:37

it'll be it'll be divinjora's belated birthday But

2:39

be sure to wish him a happy belated

2:41

birthday if you get the chance And

2:45

you know, so that's why we're recording it a few

2:47

days early and we are also recording this at I

2:49

believe the term Is the ass crack of dawn and

2:52

the reason for that is because Jeff

2:54

Kanata has a vision pro Appointment an

2:57

Apple vision pro appointment today. Is

2:59

that right? Immediately

3:05

after this but like we have a hard

3:07

out. Yeah, Jeff is stepping into the future.

3:09

That's right I will be leaving Present

3:12

day behind and moving into

3:14

the all vision pro future the next time

3:16

we do the show it will be provision

3:21

We should both do that we should both do that when

3:23

we both have it because I'm also waiting for one and

3:25

Poor Dave will just be FOMO. The whole video

3:28

version will be just me and divinjora and all

3:30

you'll see is our eyes your avatars You're

3:33

okay. What are they? personas, right

3:37

But yeah So Jeff

3:39

is gonna be whisked off to go

3:41

whisk away to go get

3:43

like the end of close encounters of the third month

3:46

You know the first kind Like

3:48

hey, daddy, where you going? And

3:51

Jeff will be like the future happier place

3:53

children a happier place Be

3:56

sure I'm whisking myself. I'm not being

3:58

with you. I'm you He whips himself

4:00

off too in that movie. Yeah, it's like I'm

4:02

out. Can you use Zencaster in the Vision Pro?

4:04

I wonder. It's fine. Why not? Why wouldn't you?

4:07

Anything you can in a browser. Yeah. So you

4:09

know what? We will test it. Yeah.

4:11

Well, the thing is like even on

4:13

a desktop computer, the program

4:15

we used to record the Zencaster doesn't

4:17

support Safari, so... Oh,

4:20

that's a shame, but my plan is at some

4:22

point to launch Chrome on a Mac and do

4:24

your Zencaster recording through that while also having the

4:26

big ass Mac window in the Vision Pro. Mmm.

4:30

Which is why I also told you, Jeff, you gotta buy a Mac to

4:32

get all that goodness. I know. You keep saying that. I don't want to.

4:35

It's pretty obvious. Like when you step into that

4:37

Apple store, you're gonna walk out with a Mac,

4:39

Jeff. I bet you. Yeah. The money. But

4:42

honestly, I've been

4:45

having a low level of stress about this appointment

4:47

that I'm heading to today because

4:50

I've heard that it is like

4:52

a half an hour tour of the...

4:56

I just wanted to give it to me and let me leave. You

4:58

could have had it delivered to your house, Jeff. I know, but the

5:00

delivery changes. Yeah, you chose this. You chose this. This

5:04

gives me it earlier. The delivery

5:07

time that I had available to me was not right

5:09

now. Really? Oh, wow. So I...

5:12

So this gives you an additional like four to six hours

5:14

of the Vision Pro. Yeah, but I'm gonna be the guy

5:16

who's just like, I don't... Just a...

5:18

I'm fine. I don't need to... It is helpful.

5:20

I think it's helpful to have that training. I

5:22

saw it with Apple like last year, right? So

5:25

to guide it through that whole thing. You're learning

5:27

a whole new language, Jeff. You're learning like point

5:29

gestures and shit. I've never spatially computed. Yeah. Actually,

5:31

you have. Well, no,

5:34

it's impossible to have spatially computed because this is the

5:36

first spatial computer. This is the first spatial computer. That's

5:38

right. That's right. Well, anyway,

5:41

we will be discussing Jeff's Vision

5:43

Pro experience. Actually, what

5:45

I'm... I'm sorry. It's the technically

5:47

correct term is Apple Vision Pro.

5:49

No, the... We will

5:52

be discussing Jeff's Apple Vision Pro experience

5:54

during the next After Dark at patreon.com/film

5:57

podcast. I'm really curious to hear what

5:59

it's like. So if

6:01

you want to listen to the future, sign

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up for patreon.com/film podcasts, get ad-free

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episodes and exclusive afterdarks. All

6:09

right folks, let's get to

6:11

some emails at [email protected]. Let's

6:17

start with this email from Lauren,

6:19

who writes in, let us know where you're writing

6:21

in from when you're writing to slashfilmcastgmail.com please. Lauren

6:24

writes in, hello, I'm a long

6:26

time listener to the podcast, love listening to

6:28

you guys and your camaraderie around ideas and

6:31

movies. I was listening to your commentary of

6:33

Plan 75, Devendra, and appreciate the recommendation. Let's

6:36

pause from the email for a moment. Plan 75, this

6:39

is a movie that's available on the

6:41

Criterion channel that

6:43

is about a program

6:45

in Japan that will pay you if

6:48

you, you know. It'll pay

6:50

people over 75 to kill themselves. Yes, to

6:52

end their life. Poor society. Yes. Anyway,

6:55

the email continues, quote, I am surrounded by older

6:57

in-family members who are healthy, active, and in their

6:59

70s and often talk about end of life as

7:02

well as several friends whose aging parents have dementia.

7:04

Like many of us, I am thinking a lot

7:06

about the end of life. Hearing

7:08

your comments and remembering you have kids and maybe want

7:10

to share a non-movie recommendation you may enjoy. I

7:13

recently read The Giver to my son and it brought

7:15

up a lot of the ideas about end of life,

7:17

the government, society, collectivism, and life and death in general.

7:19

I was reminded of it while listening to you talk.

7:21

I'm not sure how old your kids are, but it

7:23

has been a good read for us in the fourth

7:25

grade, although I'd recommend waiting a little longer, like

7:28

fifth grade or middle school, as some of the ideas are

7:30

upsetting. There's a whole quartet of books that we

7:32

are now making our way through as a read

7:34

aloud. I've heard there's a movie of

7:36

this too, but that it's not that great, dot, dot, dot. Anyway,

7:38

no need to respond. Just wanted to share. Thanks

7:40

for your podcast, end quote. Domingo,

7:42

this email resonated with you very specifically,

7:44

right? For sure. I mean,

7:46

The Giver was my favorite book

7:49

when I was a kid, and that is

7:51

something I've re-read, many, many times over the

7:53

years. I read that book in third grade,

7:55

so I understand the warning for fifth or

7:57

sixth grade or middle school, but you know. When

8:00

you're a kid, you have those lightning bolt

8:02

moments when you encounter something that just completely

8:04

shapes your worldview and how you think of

8:07

things. The giver was one of

8:09

those, was the thing for me in the third

8:11

grade. So yes, this is a great recommendation. Adults

8:15

should read The Giver, but also I think

8:17

it is a great thing to introduce

8:19

to kids because it is a book

8:21

entirely about dystopian society where people are

8:23

just not allowed to feel things. And

8:26

it is about asking those questions

8:28

of how do we take care of each

8:30

other in a society? What do we owe each other?

8:32

That is something that's been on my mind forever. So

8:34

I cannot wait to introduce that to my kids. And

8:37

that's actually, yeah, very, very much rooted in what Plan 75

8:40

covers as well. Love that book.

8:42

I will also never see that movie because I hear

8:44

it so bad. Yeah. Well,

8:47

the movie recommendation from D'Avengero's Plan 75, it is

8:49

still one I plan to check out. I'm

8:52

planning to watch it soon. It's

8:55

a good piece of content, D'Avengero.

8:58

And again, content warning

9:00

for ending one's life. But

9:05

I listened to this podcast episode of

9:07

The Daily called The Mother Who Changed

9:09

a Story of Dementia. Right. I

9:11

don't know if you heard about this. I did hear that one.

9:15

This stuff is really fascinating to me because basically

9:18

the short version is a story about this woman

9:20

who said, hey, if I

9:22

ever get dementia, please

9:25

end my life. I don't want to live with

9:27

dementia. I don't want to have that quality of

9:29

life. I don't want to depend on people that

9:32

much. And then the woman

9:34

got dementia. And then when

9:36

she has dementia, she seems like a completely

9:38

different person and is like completely happy and,

9:40

you know, not completely, but like, you know,

9:42

relatively happy and has good things in her

9:44

life and doesn't want to enter life at

9:46

all. And so it's like, who

9:49

do you believe?

9:52

Who's like opinion do you take or

9:54

who's directives? It's like the same person,

9:57

but it's too. different

10:00

people anyway. Anyway, it was really fascinating.

10:03

Again, it's the episode of a daily called the mother

10:05

who changed a story of dementia. And

10:08

I just think it's a, it's a really interesting topic. Uh,

10:11

and certainly as more

10:13

of our population becomes older, uh, relatively

10:15

speaking, I think it will become more relevant.

10:18

So, did you can see that there are

10:20

like studies about like how apparently like oral

10:22

care, like just taking good care

10:24

of your teeth actually makes a big difference

10:26

because it is like infections along

10:28

your teeth that could be a thing. Yeah.

10:30

And there's all these germs, yeah. All these

10:32

germs that you're swallowing all the time. Yeah.

10:35

People, you know, like don't pluck

10:38

your nose hairs. Don't pick your nose. But

10:41

there's like, it's like, there's, there's some study

10:43

about how there's a, um,

10:46

bacteria that can get into your brain that

10:49

way. Listen, I

10:51

occasionally do those waxy things to pull

10:53

your nose hairs. And when you do those,

10:55

they give you an antiseptic like strip

10:57

to wipe your nose because you want to

10:59

disinfect because you're tearing open very, very

11:01

sensitive skin. You know, when you're doing that,

11:04

you know, I've always wanted to do it.

11:07

I find nose hair is annoying. It's great. It

11:09

feels really good. But it's saving you from dementia,

11:11

but it's apparently not good. Yeah. It's apparently not

11:13

good for you. It's a real, it's

11:15

a real, you know, uh,

11:18

catch 22, you know, like there's some things that are like, uh,

11:20

uh, nose

11:23

hairs provide valuable stuff, but

11:26

also are very uncomfortable and annoying. You know,

11:28

there are, uh, and I'm slightly, a

11:31

little trimmers. He can get now. I use one of those.

11:33

I try those as well. I never find them effective. Never

11:35

find them anyway. Okay. We're, we're, we're

11:37

off track here. Another body hair talk. Slash

11:41

film cast. gma.com. Somebody writes in a

11:43

Lexa writes in quote, hi,

11:47

Dave and Jeff. I've never felt compelled

11:49

to email you before, but as a

11:51

lifelong bird enthusiast, pigeon owner and licensed

11:53

Falconer, hell yeah, I could not

11:55

stand by and listen to the vicious vilification of

11:57

birds that took place during the discussion of every

11:59

little. thing from Sundance. While

12:01

there were countless things during

12:03

this seven-minute tirade that filled

12:06

me with incandescent rage, I was

12:08

genuinely shocked by all of those

12:10

guys. This

12:13

explains all the Falcon attacks I've been getting. I

12:17

will attempt to focus my criticism on the

12:19

insults lobbied at pigeons, which are

12:22

incredible birds deserving of respect and perhaps

12:24

even fear. In particular,

12:26

I take issue with the idea that no one gives

12:28

a fuck about pigeons and therefore a movie like Every

12:30

Little Thing could not be made about them. I

12:33

can tell you with some degree of

12:35

confidence that there is no community more

12:37

vociferous, more dedicated, more slightly unhinged than

12:40

the pigeon rescue and rehab community. Each

12:43

day I see people going to

12:45

insane lanes for pigeons, from driving

12:47

injured street birds, hundreds of vials

12:49

to receive vet care, to throwing

12:51

weddings for newly bonded pigeon pairs,

12:54

to sprinting around cities with large

12:56

nets in order to unwrap embedded

12:58

strings from pigeon feet, to performing

13:00

at-home amputations of rotten wings that

13:02

were run over by trains. While

13:05

I respect that every little thing

13:07

might be the Paddington of

13:11

Bird Rescue films, based on your description of

13:14

it, I can promise you that a film

13:16

about the pigeon rescue universe would be an

13:18

absolute spectacle much more akin to Mad Max

13:20

Fury Road. Oh, this sounds

13:23

like a great documentary. Yeah.

13:26

Let's get this person some funding immediately. On

13:29

behalf of pigeons, I would like

13:31

to thank Devindra for his soft, whispered affirmation

13:33

of, I like pigeons, in the background. I

13:35

do like pigeons. In the background while Dave

13:37

was going off on them. Again, how dare

13:40

you? That statement was

13:42

not even acknowledged because Dave was just blind

13:44

to him with rage about pigeons and the

13:46

fact that birds exist. Amazing. And

13:48

PS, the idea that there are relationships that have

13:51

never discussed birds disturb me deeply, I literally

13:53

did not know what else you would

13:55

talk about. This is an all-timer email.

13:57

Pretty great. This is a pretty great

13:59

take down. PPS, love the show, been

14:02

listening for eight years, and it just

14:04

gets better, I'd quote. Anyway,

14:06

thank you for that message. I will

14:08

say I was shocked by your anti-bird

14:11

views, and I do not

14:13

support them. I hope they're not reflective, like

14:15

the film cast is not reflective of those

14:17

views. Okay, birds are great. Hashtag nominal birds,

14:19

okay? Pigeons are

14:21

also great. It was anti-pigeons

14:23

specifically. And honestly, it was

14:26

like birds, like you guys were talking about how you

14:28

just never talk about birds. And it's also like,

14:30

they're everywhere. They're

14:32

always around. Honestly, let

14:34

me just say this, it wasn't even, I

14:37

would argue, I didn't listen

14:39

back to the conversation, but I would argue it

14:41

wasn't even anti-birds. I was merely acknowledging the lonely

14:43

place of pigeons in our cultural landscape. You were

14:45

a big role. I'm not

14:47

gonna back down in the face

14:49

of an angry falconer. I'm

14:53

anti-birds. I said, I do not like parakeets.

14:57

And I believe I said, fuck birds. You heard

15:00

me, fuck birds. It was really,

15:02

it was a combination of Jeff Haight and

15:05

Dave's ignorance that really led to a memorable

15:07

segment. Anyway,

15:10

birds are great guys. You should be nice to

15:12

them. Birds are fine. Birds are fine. I

15:14

just, they're not pets. They

15:17

should not be pets. I mean, you had

15:19

one asshole bird roommate, basically. I did. I

15:22

mean, that wasn't even my roommate, it was my girlfriend's roommate at the

15:24

time. And it scarred

15:26

me. It scarred me. I love

15:28

how Jeff hearing this impassioned email

15:31

from this seemingly dangerous

15:33

listener. I'm just gonna put that out there.

15:36

Yeah, oh, extremely armed and dangerous. His response

15:38

is, let's double down. Yeah. No,

15:40

I shall yield none. I shall not apologize.

15:43

Here's what rings in my head many

15:45

years later. Happy birthday to you, happy

15:47

birthday to you. Happy birthday to you,

15:50

happy birthday to you. Happy birthday

15:52

to you, happy birthday to you. That's

15:54

what I would wake up to. Happy

15:57

birthday to you, happy birthday to you. Just

15:59

that. Or just that much. The

16:02

that's maybe because it's like as it

16:05

doesn't resolve the same that way that

16:07

rototilling about the Addams family i'm suicidal

16:09

isn't just. The. One is far.

16:14

As like a fetish. For

16:17

God Sakes. A

16:21

bird really her death as we didn't

16:23

see. It is. I would

16:25

wonder you know if our listener

16:27

like says as experience that and

16:29

then still loves birds that really

16:31

hits his own on talk is

16:34

the thing mlb to the sequel

16:36

Little Cooksey a coupe everywhere now.

16:39

I want to me, I've I've heard of

16:41

attainable anecdote. no and at or I forgot

16:44

the sooner we go. One last week for

16:46

my my inlaws are in town and we

16:48

decided you know you I guess and isn't

16:50

activities and is actually pretty nice weather here

16:52

in Denver and we went to this lovely

16:54

park that we've been to a number of

16:56

times. Say it just has this a as

16:58

a play area for the kids and as

17:01

a massive massive sealed. Ah

17:03

where. Is. He just as

17:05

open grassy area and this something. I.

17:07

Must say. Deep. Down in

17:10

my soul that is stirred by the

17:12

sight of a giant open grassy field.

17:14

I just something that is pure and

17:17

wonderful and beautiful about that. A something

17:19

about my use about the potential of

17:21

all the things you can do with

17:24

what you can play on the grassy

17:26

field. I just adore a big grassy

17:28

field. Levis. Yeah. So. The.

17:32

Day was in a winding down. We

17:34

were gonna head out and across the

17:36

giant grassy field. there was ill there's

17:38

a little pond. The

17:40

has a kind of a little standing area you

17:43

can look out over the pond and we thought

17:45

it would be fun to the pound. was probably

17:47

still half frozen. We thought it would be lovely

17:49

to go and walk over and and seat upon.

17:51

So I said everybody, hey I love big open

17:54

field. Let's. Walk. Across the

17:56

big open fields of the to the. To

17:58

the. Pond. And everybody thought

18:00

there was a delightful ideals. A beautiful sunny day

18:03

was just wonderful We were in the only light

18:05

sweaters was just great. So we all start walking

18:07

across the field and about half way across. I'm

18:09

telling you this is. Much

18:11

larger than a football fields is

18:14

has a huge beautiful open field

18:16

but a half way across. My.

18:18

Father on Law goes. I'm.

18:22

Does. Anybody else see the poop. And

18:27

I. Don't We all look down

18:29

and realize. Like

18:31

a minefield. Not a minefield.

18:33

you guys. It is a

18:35

carpet. A carpet. Of.

18:38

Bird shit they are geese

18:40

a have that. We

18:42

saw that you know that they migrate, we see them, and

18:44

if you did, and that they were all over this park

18:46

and in India, in the pond and all over the place.

18:49

And. Until you

18:51

there was so much shit.

18:54

That. You'd you didn't see it.

18:57

Because. It was more shit

18:59

than grass. Yeah, Desire greenish

19:01

a real I will. Our

19:04

shoes were taste in birds

19:06

dong. It was. It

19:08

was fit the net we were. We were

19:11

halfway across the the there's going to do

19:13

at that point where to continue walking. We

19:15

did and it we spent the next hour

19:17

and a half all trying to scrape our

19:19

shoes clean. I've never seen. A.

19:22

You. Think I'm exaggerating, know and I know

19:25

with his legs off the ice to live

19:27

near a lake and same deal A seats

19:29

of these yet see decisive seats You know

19:31

how they're Beautiful grassy field save beautiful and

19:33

grassy I know it certainly has or but

19:35

my god it was like all seem worth

19:37

your if you. If it had been like

19:39

a dog poop here there you would have

19:42

seen it and been like oh my gosh.

19:44

watch out for the dog poop if there

19:46

was so much of it. That. It

19:48

was like. He just didn't

19:50

even notice it. Until you're in it

19:52

Emma and you'd see the taking it

19:54

on. The show was sent away. Fuck

19:56

birds what I'm saying again. off again.

19:58

very raw material, much. Relevant story

20:00

for Argo. Review later to answer is

20:03

no way. Thank you for a have

20:05

your emails at Slice Film cast as

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i l m c a s

21:54

t or is week on the

21:56

podcast we all had a chance

21:58

to check out two things exactly.

22:01

Like we usually watch different things,

22:03

but this week we

22:05

watched two things the

22:07

same thing. We all watched the same stuff. We all

22:09

watched two things. Yes, two things. That's right. The

22:13

first thing is Mr. and Mrs. Smith Devinriel. Let's start with

22:15

you. What did you think of

22:17

Mr. and Mrs. Smith, all eight episodes of which are

22:19

streaming on Prime Video rate? Yes. I

22:22

freaking love it. I freaking love the

22:24

show. I was a little worried

22:26

that, you know, this is a reboot of

22:28

the whole Mr. and Mrs. Smith concept, which

22:30

was not originally the Brad Pitt movie.

22:33

It was originally a Scott Bakula TV

22:35

show in the 90s. You guys

22:37

remember that? That was a whole thing.

22:39

I don't actually. This has

22:42

been redone before. But

22:44

I think this is, first of all, I love spy stuff. If you

22:46

guys have been listening to us for long enough, you know how much

22:48

I love that stuff. I think this is a great,

22:53

this is like just a great look at that

22:55

sort of world. Like what if like, yeah, you

22:57

were a spy and you had to basically

22:59

sign up with a partner and pretend to be

23:01

married to this person and go

23:03

on missions together. What would that be like?

23:06

And I think this show is funny and

23:08

poignant and does end up like actually being

23:10

kind of like emotional and meaningful like towards

23:12

the end. Like I think it's, I think

23:14

the show was excellent. It does everything I

23:16

enjoy from spy fiction. Like they,

23:19

it starts Donald Glover and Maya Erskine and it

23:22

was originally going to be Phoebe Waller Bridge too. And I'm

23:24

kind of glad it's not because I really like

23:26

Maya Erskine in this. And they're

23:28

basically playing these two spies who live in

23:30

New York and go on missions, you know,

23:32

and just their characters are interesting. The setups

23:34

that they put them in, the guest stars

23:36

that pop up. Like I basically clapped into

23:39

your in every episode based on what new

23:41

face popped up because I wasn't watching trailers

23:43

for this ahead of time. So I had

23:45

a lot of fun with that. There's big

23:47

cameo, big name actor, name actors have cameos

23:49

throughout the whole. I mean, and then I

23:52

started looking at the trailers and like, oh, some of them are a little, they're

23:54

kind of kind of cheating a bit. But I would

23:56

say from the very first scene of this show, which

24:00

We don't even have to say exactly what happens. Like I

24:02

was hooting and hollering. I was like, I kid up. Oh,

24:05

I see what you're doing. That's hilarious. This is actually

24:07

a ton of fun that you're doing this. It

24:09

seems self-aware, you know, of the spy

24:11

genre and also of the Brad Pitt

24:13

and Angelina Jolie film. But it's also

24:15

like doing its own thing. The action's

24:17

really good. The characters are great. I

24:19

think it's really well-written. It's a

24:22

handsome looking show too. A bunch

24:24

of the episodes are directed by Hiro Murai

24:26

from Atlanta. A lot of the

24:28

Atlanta writing folks are involved too,

24:30

or at least like a couple folks from

24:32

Atlanta. So it's cool. I'm really digging

24:35

it. And I'm glad that Donald Glover has

24:37

this very successful reboot. Cause I think he

24:39

also shines in a lot too. Jeff

24:41

Kanabe, you also had a chance to watch the show. How many

24:44

episodes, it sounds like Devinger finished it. How many episodes did you

24:46

watch, Jeff? I have two more to go. Got

24:48

it. Okay, cool. What'd you think?

24:50

I would go even farther. I think this is one

24:53

of the best shows I've seen in a

24:55

long time. This is phenomenal. And

24:58

it's not just starring Donald Glover. It's co-created

25:00

by Donald Glover, him and Francesca Sloan, who

25:02

teamed up for Atlanta and she worked on

25:04

Fargo. And this,

25:06

I think this show is utter

25:09

genius. I mean, Devinger, you

25:11

kind of talked about how it's

25:13

take on the spy genre. I

25:15

think this, in

25:18

a well-worn sub-genre of spy

25:20

stuff, this finds new ground

25:22

to break every single episode. I

25:26

could not believe how original and unique

25:28

it felt. Nothing,

25:31

nothing in the show resolved the

25:35

way I thought it would. Every episode felt like a revelation

25:37

of a, it's

25:40

kind of establishes a trope that is

25:42

very, very familiar and

25:46

yet goes off in such

25:48

interesting ways and goes off

25:50

in such interesting directions. And it's

25:52

hilarious, it's insightful. It is really

25:55

much more a vision

25:57

of a budding relationship. It's

26:00

a relationship drama trapped in spot

26:02

inside a spy movie and Gloriously

26:06

so like you really are

26:09

hanging out with these people that behave in a I

26:11

mean There's a scene

26:13

in early the early episodes. That's like

26:16

about holding in your farts with each other.

26:18

Yeah, you know, like total

26:22

Rom-com like Fun

26:25

the funny stuff but also when it

26:28

gets to the action stuff the action

26:30

stuff is great It is as

26:33

you said a gorgeously shot show

26:35

they go to these incredible locations I

26:37

mean it really feels expensive It feels

26:39

like what you want out of a

26:42

born movie or a James Bond movie

26:44

where we're going to you know We're

26:46

going to Switzerland. We're going to Italy

26:49

where like all these, you know jet-setting

26:51

wonderful kind of expensive looking places It

26:54

has all of that the action

26:56

is killer and it's super fun

26:58

and funny and never never never

27:02

failed to surprise me I just Love

27:05

this show and it is It

27:09

is the coolest way if somebody comes

27:11

to you and says hey We

27:14

want to do a mr. And mrs. Smith thing like, you

27:16

know, and that movie was It

27:19

occurs to me that we just can't get

27:21

original stuff these days So

27:23

like you have to mask your original

27:25

ideas inside the Trojan

27:28

horse of an established IP

27:30

and that Feels what the show is

27:33

to a tee. It's like definitely yeah We're

27:35

gonna take this thing that everybody knows and

27:37

not do it at all how you would

27:39

think we're gonna do basically like an origin

27:41

story of mr. And mrs. Smith, but We

27:45

we have different actors. So we're

27:47

gonna subvert even that expectation. It's

27:51

Brilliant. I am so astounded

27:53

by how Unconventional

27:56

original trailblazing this

27:58

is inside Shub genre

28:00

that I feel like I've seen every way

28:02

you can take it and it

28:04

just feels so fresh Yeah, I will

28:06

talk about this week like how badly that can go

28:09

when you don't take it anywhere fresh, right, right Well,

28:12

I'm glad you guys both enjoyed the show. I Oh,

28:16

I also like it. I'm not quite as hot

28:18

on it as either of you are but I

28:21

Quite a fun yes, I know this is a huge surprise But

28:25

I still think it's quite a fun romp and

28:27

I would recommend it I think it's like how

28:29

much have you seen at this point? Yeah, the

28:31

first half of the show So, okay, but it

28:33

does like it does escalate like it escalates quite

28:35

a lot I'll say like it's only eight episodes

28:37

and I feel like the biggest Criticism

28:39

I can have is it does feel like

28:41

it kind of accelerates this relationship and the

28:43

stuff around it and that's my biggest problem Maybe

28:45

ten episodes would have been great. That's my biggest

28:48

problem is I feel like well

28:51

Yeah, you know, I don't I don't

28:53

want Jeff just delivered a very enthusiastic defense

28:55

of it I don't want to you know,

28:57

I want to know I don't want to

28:59

know. Okay, I would say my biggest issues

29:02

are first of all I think that The

29:05

the pace of the relationship feels like a little

29:07

bit too fast for me Like the

29:10

way that the relationship develops just like usually it'd

29:12

be like oh I would expect we wouldn't get

29:14

to that point until episode 8 out of 10,

29:16

you know, right instead of episode 2 That's

29:19

what I liked about it though. It's like

29:21

doesn't doesn't fuck around fair. That's fair and

29:23

then and Then the

29:25

spy stuff is like the

29:27

show is beautiful It's directed by like really talented

29:29

people and so like I mean it's involved to

29:32

like Amy Semitz gets a couple episodes That's cool.

29:34

Yeah, so yeah But

29:36

I just can't take any of

29:38

that stuff seriously in the slightest and maybe

29:40

that's the point But like I was originally

29:43

watching it thinking. Oh like this might be

29:45

like an interesting commentary on you

29:47

know how spy

29:50

organizations treat their treat their people or

29:52

whatever and and The

29:55

the spy stuff is very funny. It's very

29:57

goofy, but it's not something that I can

29:59

take seriously You will you will not

30:01

intended to yeah, that's what I'm

30:03

saying like a movie mr. Mrs. Smith,

30:05

right? Is this over-the-top James Bond? It's

30:07

not you know, it's not CIA

30:12

you know not even born like boring is a little

30:14

more grounded and great Yeah, I will say like this

30:16

is a show that always understands the assignment, right? If

30:18

you were in a ski chalet

30:20

Like you're gonna give me a like a nice

30:22

like James Bond shoot out in the middle of

30:24

snow at some point if you're in A tiny

30:27

little Italian town you're gonna give me a car

30:29

chase in those really narrow streets, right? That's your

30:31

job and the show always delivers all that stuff

30:33

is great. All this stuff is very is highly

30:35

enjoyable, but most of

30:37

the spy stuff we watch takes itself deftly seriously

30:40

and I actually think that's an asset and

30:42

not a downside and it's like all this

30:44

stuff like it has this like really self

30:46

serious structure through which you can make one-liner

30:48

quips or social commentary whatever that you

30:50

want to do and And

30:52

I will say you know the the the

30:55

way the spy stuff works in this show

30:58

It leans a little bit more into our

31:00

guile territory than towards James Bond territory and

31:02

I did not we should do a spoiler

31:04

recap Once you guys are done. It's not

31:06

it's not not kind of to my taste,

31:08

but the show is a lot of

31:10

fun I think it is worthwhile. I would

31:13

wholeheartedly recommend it to anyone as an enjoyable show

31:15

to watch no, no doubt about that I'm

31:18

just not quite as like this is a masterpiece I

31:20

don't quite feel like this is a masterpiece as I

31:22

know it doesn't feel like different to you is the

31:24

thing too Like I think Maya Erskine who

31:26

we know from pen 15 right and not an actress

31:28

I would be like, oh I could see her in

31:30

actions by show right, but she's here

31:32

and she holds her own Yeah, she's great.

31:34

She's got any things that I'm like the

31:37

casting is great. But both of them are

31:39

great They have great chemistry with each other.

31:41

There's you know, it's come it's extremely compulsively

31:43

watchable for sure So let's recommend again. I am

31:45

overall positive. I would say like seven and a half to

31:47

eight out of ten That's me, you know, like I'm just

31:49

not like nine or ten out of ten. That's all I'm saying.

31:52

So Again, once you guys all

31:54

finish, I know that's good. Mr. Mr. Smith

31:56

is all streaming right now on Prime Video.

31:59

We also all had the chance to

32:01

watch The Greatest Night in Pop, which

32:03

is streaming right now on Netflix. It

32:06

also debuted at Sundance, apparently. I know

32:08

we said we wouldn't talk about Sundance

32:10

movies anymore, but this one is available

32:13

for everyone on Netflix. This is

32:15

the night where Pepsi and Coke and

32:17

R.C. Cola all got together in one

32:20

room. It's The Greatest Night in Pop. I

32:23

was having lunch with

32:26

Eric D. Snyder, former

32:28

film cast guest, at Sundance. We

32:32

were eating at a restaurant, and the

32:35

restaurant did not have any Coca-Cola products. They're

32:38

like, Pepsi only. Eric

32:40

was like, why do people still carry Pepsi? It

32:43

doesn't make any sense. I said,

32:45

it's probably because Pepsi

32:48

gives them favorable financial terms. Eric

32:52

said, now that you mention it, when

32:54

I was in Portland, there was this business that had

32:57

R.C. Cola. They're serving R.C.

32:59

Cola, no Pepsi, no Coke. I was

33:01

asking, why do you serve R.C. Cola? He

33:03

said, because if something like the machine breaks

33:05

down, no one at

33:07

Pepsi gives a shit. They're right there. They're all in product.

33:15

One restaurant is serving all R.C. Cola. We've got to

33:17

take care of them. I'm

33:19

just saying, whenever

33:21

you see himself

33:24

shows up, whenever

33:26

somebody asks the question, is Pepsi okay? There's

33:29

probably a reason behind it. Regal

33:32

Cinema switched to Pepsi over the pandemic, and

33:34

I will never forgive them for it. It

33:36

doesn't taste good. It's not the same. It doesn't

33:39

taste good. Can I tell you guys something? It'll make

33:41

you immediately hate me. You do it every week,

33:43

Jeff. Let's go. I

33:48

haven't had a soda in years of

33:50

my life. Amazing, Jeff. I

33:53

stopped drinking soda pop. Interesting. I

33:55

don't drink sugary soda. That was like

33:57

my line, but you know what? You

34:00

know what it's like, great? No such

34:02

thing as non-diggery soda. Well, Jeff, there's

34:04

a ton of non-sodas. What are you

34:06

talking about? There's diet sodas. Diet sodas

34:08

existed forever. Like, even sugar-free things that

34:10

don't use, like... You put in whatever

34:12

that weird chemical is. I mean, you

34:14

know. Yeah, whatever. Wow, being very judgy

34:16

about other people's choices. Yeah, first Jeff

34:18

has to put his, uh, uh, yeah,

34:20

your noble statement, no, but now you

34:22

get a judge. First you're like,

34:24

okay, Jeff. First it's fuck birds, then it's fuck

34:26

soda, you know. But I will

34:29

tell you, there is nothing, like, greater

34:31

than, like, an ice-cold can of Diet

34:33

Coke, and that first sip is like,

34:35

well, that does hit very well,

34:37

you know. Listen, I didn't stop because

34:40

I didn't like it. And the same thing

34:42

with beef. I don't eat beef, I don't have any beef in

34:44

20 years. That's understandable. Not because I didn't like it. You

34:48

know what I've been drinking recently, I've been, I drink

34:50

one of these a day, okay, is

34:52

I drink this thing called poppy soda. Uh,

34:55

it's, you can buy it from Costco now. It's

34:58

four grams of sugar per can, which

35:00

is, and like 25, 30 calories, so

35:02

it's not like artificial stuff. Uh,

35:05

and, uh, it

35:07

is an extreme, it gives you many of the

35:09

benefits of soda with many of the

35:11

downsides removed. That's kind of cool. That's kind of cool.

35:14

I mean, listen, I also drink Sprite Zero, so

35:16

that's, you know, that's bad. But

35:19

whatever, we get, we get a live, okay, like we're

35:21

also worried about so many things. It's like, I don't,

35:23

I don't know, I need something to enjoy because every

35:25

time I look in social media, the world just seems

35:27

to be getting worse, right? So I'll take

35:29

my day. Devendra needs a can of soda to look forward

35:31

to it. I need something to live. Why do you

35:33

want to take that away? I

35:35

withdraw my form because

35:37

I certainly understand, uh,

35:40

coping mechanisms and I, listen, I,

35:42

I, I sugar is my vice.

35:45

I will, uh, die on the

35:47

Hill of needing to have sugar.

35:49

I, uh, I

35:51

get it, Devendra. I also have children. I get it. Yeah.

35:55

I get it. Coca-Cola is the Mr. and

35:57

Mrs. Smiths of Southern. I Honestly.

36:00

Vr The. The.

36:04

Calculus that I made was

36:06

I'd rather get sugar. Into.

36:08

My body in a different manner. Not yeah, yeah.

36:10

Certainly what I decided by the I: I

36:12

don't love this enough to have this be the

36:14

way I intake that amount of other. Way

36:16

too much sugar. like it is a seen how

36:19

much sugar is innocent. I don't see only four

36:21

grams of sugar, you know me. teaspoons of

36:23

sugar that is. Miss. Well as

36:25

like. Eight

36:27

ten teaspoons of sugar for

36:30

for grabs. It.

36:32

Ah okay I point of nine

36:34

Grand point nine teaspoons if is

36:36

the cook conversion. So. I.

36:38

Know I'm reading a teaspoon to

36:40

Graham is point two. One.

36:43

Gram is point two teaspoons. Okay,

36:46

so yes, Point Nine, the happens. That's

36:48

right. It's. It's less than one teaspoon

36:50

of sugar. A deaf we

36:52

did there is less than how much

36:54

you put in a cup of tea or

36:56

you're right I'm sorry I withdraw all

36:58

of your that a house Yep a first

37:01

the united well it's have died died so

37:03

nervous and now how dare you impugn

37:05

v Sigurd less nature of poppy different area.

37:09

Live hockey community will not assess your

37:11

or it I want to everyone I'm

37:13

in a good emails I suggest never

37:15

be on the ah I say hi

37:17

and ninety one am I could disagree.

37:19

Sodas and I am I'm to deliberately

37:21

trying to avoid that. So then my

37:23

thing like they get Lacroix occasionally. My

37:25

daughter was five like Love the current

37:27

scrapes. I understand like that there are

37:29

things they're they're mysterious and we don't

37:31

quite know but. We know the

37:34

dangers of over securing young kids. So you look

37:36

at what I was the other direction. it's like

37:38

it's the other with a strawberry liquid. Is that?

37:40

it's like somebody thought about fruits. And

37:42

then on the can say it's like

37:44

a figure of yeah, that's the flavoring

37:46

that you get with liquorice anyone? Okay,

37:48

someone I'm and also just a I.

37:51

I agree, I don't drink or the

37:53

shook the for circus of either. It's

37:55

the deficit lately. so much as anybody

37:57

else I'm trying to defend yourselves. Absolutely

37:59

absolutely are. Alright, alright. The

38:02

Greatest Night in Pop is not about

38:04

any of that. We did

38:06

have a really good, that was a good segue. It

38:08

is actually about the

38:11

recording of the song

38:13

called We Are the World. Now,

38:16

those of the younger listeners of the

38:18

show may not know about what they're

38:20

doing. Well, they are the children. That's

38:23

the problem with the younger listeners. You know, it's weird. I

38:25

heard we are the children. Anyway,

38:28

We Are the World is a charity single that was produced in 1985.

38:36

Four? What did you say? Whatever.

38:39

I think it was, yeah, whatever. Go ahead. Recorded

38:41

in 1985, and the idea

38:43

is that it was produced

38:46

by a huge assortment

38:48

of the biggest, or sung,

38:51

recorded, produced by the biggest assortment of

38:53

musical talent available in the world in

38:57

order to raise money to help

38:59

to alleviate famine in Africa. And

39:03

the Netflix documentary The Greatest Night

39:05

in Pop attempts

39:07

to take you inside the room,

39:09

the recording studio, for the one

39:12

night when this recording happened. And

39:14

it was only one night. It wasn't like they recorded this

39:16

over the course of like six days, because

39:18

they only had one chance to

39:20

get everyone together. All these big stars. It's

39:22

such a heist movie. Yeah. It's

39:25

the thing, like this whole story, yeah. Okay, so, you

39:28

know, I'm trying to like compare

39:30

like what would

39:32

be the equivalent of who

39:35

was in that room? Taylor Swift.

39:37

Taylor Lipa. Yeah, exactly. The Weeknd,

39:40

you know, like Eminem,

39:42

like having like all those people, Beyoncé, like

39:45

having all those people in one room, Billie Eilish, right? Like

39:48

imagine getting now, but it wasn't just like six or seven people.

39:50

It was like 30, 40, 50 people, right? Yeah.

39:54

So it's like 40 people in one

39:56

room of the biggest musicians

39:58

in the world. at the time. Nothing

40:02

like it has ever happened since

40:04

as far as I can tell, right? I

40:06

mean, I would say if people,

40:08

I mean, this is also, you know, old

40:11

now, but if people recall right

40:13

after 9-11, there was that like

40:15

TV special that had literally everybody

40:18

you've ever heard of. Yeah, I

40:20

think that's the only equivalent

40:23

that's happened since. Right. But back

40:25

then in 1985, it was Lionel

40:27

Richie, Stevie Wonder, Paul

40:29

Simon, Kenny Rogers, Tina Turner, Billy Joel, Michael

40:31

Jackson, Diana Ross, etc. So many more people,

40:33

I'm not going to list them all. But

40:36

it's just these huge, huge names. And

40:39

yeah, this documentary talks about like the

40:41

logistics of what it was like to

40:44

execute that recording and what the actual recording

40:46

of the song was like and all the

40:48

stuff that happened in the room. Because I

40:50

think from what I could tell, it took

40:52

probably around 12 hours, right, like to record

40:54

the song once, once everyone got there. But

40:57

Jeff Kanata, what were your thoughts on this documentary on Netflix?

41:00

The greatest thing I've ever heard. I'm a little older than

41:02

you guys. So We Are the World was a big

41:04

moment in my childhood when I

41:07

was eight, when

41:09

when it happened. And so, you know, I remember

41:11

it vividly, and it was everywhere. And it was,

41:13

you know, ubiquitous. And you don't, even

41:16

as an adult person, you don't

41:18

really think about the

41:21

logistics of pulling this off. But

41:25

this movie is all logistics. And

41:27

it's, I think, intriguingly

41:30

so I really had a

41:32

good time watching this. I mean, there's

41:34

it's part fly on the wall in

41:36

that you, you know, the

41:39

strength of the of the documentary is

41:41

that they got the raw

41:44

footage, because one

41:46

of the wildest things about this is that they were

41:48

they were recording the song from zero

41:52

and recording the music video for

41:54

the song, right in the same

41:57

moment. Yeah, which never, Ever

41:59

Happened. Yeah, it's a

42:01

strange. Thing. So they had a

42:03

bunch of tears in the room while

42:05

their act literally trying to learn that

42:07

the song myths and to record of

42:09

the song and do it right. So

42:13

you have all this raw footage of.

42:15

The. a fly on the wall

42:18

process stuff fire that and also.

42:21

What never happens is these

42:24

massive artists. As

42:26

they say numerous times in

42:29

the actual documented self. Oh,

42:31

without their hangers on, without

42:33

them down entourages, without their

42:36

buffers, Simpli. Pressed up

42:38

against each other is intimidated by

42:40

their peers competing with their peers.

42:42

So you have this like level

42:45

of vulnerability that you never see

42:47

with a certain stature of artist.

42:49

And let's be frank, This.

42:52

Is the top of the top? Yeah really?

42:54

I think there's gonna be a probably a

42:56

i'm. A generation of people who

42:58

will look at this and not. Register.

43:01

How. Massive. A

43:03

convergence this is yeah. But for

43:05

somebody that grew up in the

43:07

eighties. It's like the idea

43:09

that Michael Jackson would be standing next

43:11

to literally anyone else. In that moment

43:14

is the article in and of itself

43:16

with the of like Diana Ross and

43:18

Bob Dylan and you dislike just like

43:20

Bruce Springsteen, you know he seems Yeah,

43:23

young Bruce Springsteen and. Ill

43:25

everybody. Has. An

43:27

opinion about everybody? I mean you

43:29

have rate Charles is there. Waylon

43:31

Jennings frigid, walks out at Wentworth,

43:33

affects a phrases and Dan Ackroyd

43:36

is there dude. Dude that as

43:38

gonna get to that. Yeah okay

43:40

sorry which is. The.

43:43

Worst part about this document? It

43:46

was a glaring omission that I've

43:48

literally thought about my entire and

43:50

I ah. Which.

43:53

is why is dan ackroyd their

43:55

you mean blue light of will

43:57

pop singer danica listed on there

44:00

a croid think he's doing

44:02

there there is the fact

44:04

that this documentary was made and

44:06

we have interviews with Lopper and

44:08

Huey Lewis and and Stevie

44:11

Wonder I'm not even wonder Lionel Richie

44:13

but we don't have an interview

44:15

with Dan Aykroyd right here without

44:18

interviewing Dan Aykroyd and going what were

44:20

you standing there

44:29

next to all of these people

44:31

I mean that alone was proof that

44:34

Dan Aykroyd always had more balls than

44:36

Bill Murray how about that like just

44:38

just stand there and pretend you even

44:40

belong in that okay I texted a

44:43

like musician like somebody

44:45

who's rare like a very prominent

44:48

person in the music world oh wow

44:50

and I asked this person can

44:54

you please explain why Dan Aykroyd was there really

44:57

I'm Taylor Swift tell me why really

44:59

unfortunate that the doc does not explain

45:01

this critical this critical detail and this

45:03

person responded it was peak Ghostbusters era

45:05

right hard to describe now but it

45:07

was an enormous cultural phenomenon the kind

45:09

that doesn't really happen much anymore plus

45:11

he was a Blues brother so

45:13

yeah the Blues brother that sings I think there were it

45:22

was probably during one of the early phases

45:24

of the thing when

45:26

they were just happy to get anyone

45:28

who had star power on but that

45:31

does not answer the question sufficiently

45:33

for me like I understand why

45:35

the producers are like let's invite

45:38

the biggest stars in the world

45:40

but what is Dan Aykroyd think

45:42

when he's standing there

45:44

and the craziest thing is if

45:46

you recall because if there's

45:49

so many people who are

45:51

just name above the title

45:53

massive mega stars involved

45:56

in this the only thing they

45:58

could do on every Every

46:00

piece of publication that showed

46:02

who was involved is list

46:04

people alphabetically, which means

46:06

Dan Aykroyd is always the first

46:08

name in the list of people.

46:10

That's why he did it. That's

46:12

why. Incredible. And even

46:15

as an eight-year-old child, whenever

46:17

they show the music video and they're panning

46:20

across and there's Dan fucking Aykroyd there, even

46:22

as an eight-year-old, I'm like, one

46:25

of these things is not like the other.

46:29

Anyway, so that is my biggest moment. Adam

46:32

Aronson is really upset that he didn't get

46:34

picked for the... All they had to do

46:36

was invite Adam Ant. And he would

46:38

have been fine. But I

46:42

really enjoyed this. You get to see, like

46:44

I said, you get to see a level

46:46

of vulnerability. Like just the

46:48

Huey Lewis stuff alone is worth

46:50

watching this. I love Huey Lewis. I

46:53

love his line in that

46:55

song was supposed to be Prince's line,

46:57

which I always was sad as a

46:59

massive Prince fan that didn't participate. Prince

47:02

wanted to show up and do a guitar solo, which is amazing because it's

47:04

like there's no guitar in this. You got to.

47:07

But the fact that Huey Lewis always,

47:09

in my opinion, as somebody who listened to that song

47:11

ad nauseam, like every other human on the planet at

47:14

that time, he crushes that line.

47:16

Huey Lewis's line is one of the best

47:18

parts of that song by far.

47:21

And like just getting insight into how

47:23

he did it, how nervous he was,

47:25

like him being super vulnerable even now

47:27

talking about it is worth

47:29

the price of admission alone. And I love

47:32

the Lionel Richie stuff. It's just it's a

47:34

fun, voyeuristic thing. And

47:36

also like the pure, like stepping you through

47:38

step by step how it was done. You

47:40

get to kind of see how a song

47:43

is constructed. I really, I had

47:45

a good time with it. Seeing Lionel Richie

47:47

and Michael Jackson, just him telling the story

47:49

of breaking that song. I think it's

47:51

just like that kind of gave me chills. Like it's sort

47:53

of like how you could just

47:55

like pull things out of the ether. Right. It

47:58

Kind of feels like that moment where like. They both

48:00

kind of came up with has beaten Michael

48:02

Jackson's can have went with it's you and

48:04

your area remind me of a have you

48:06

told me that Beatles documentary on to suggest

48:08

for it? Yes Get back is that what

48:10

it's called. Were like

48:13

you, You, you're seeing. Songs.

48:15

Being conceive that will eventually reach millions of people with

48:17

yeah than that's yet kind of what this you know

48:20

that has one of the end the people that are

48:22

in it. Or. Not performing for the

48:24

camera, there was just doing what they

48:26

do and it's captured. See your have

48:28

this is so flan the wall. It's

48:30

so intimate because. It's

48:32

not package like they didn't think this would

48:35

it would ever be seen. So there is

48:37

being themselves. I mean out Zero is wasted

48:39

like. It's. I

48:42

mean that there's gonna be so kind of warts

48:44

and all was like this: sealed. Bob.

48:46

Dylan is awkward and scared and why it's

48:48

so with the bob don't have as incredible

48:50

thousand dollar that would have most moving part

48:52

for me was was seeing Bob Dylan and

48:55

how that all played. I'm not going to

48:57

reveal it butler yeah how the Bob Dylan

48:59

storyline played out was removing to me I

49:01

noticed the a like this you get to

49:03

see them through musicianship of these. Popstars.

49:06

Yeah, you know people like Stephen Perry

49:08

where everybody's like that I'd fuck and

49:10

right like the other people you wouldn't

49:12

think think she's amazing, sterile and you

49:14

and you. I walked away from

49:17

the going. Man. I really underestimated how

49:19

good a voice Cyndi Lauper has some reason,

49:21

you know. And yeah, yeah, it's everybody's Like

49:23

I said, he crushed it like it's it's

49:25

cool, It's it's a cool. Is. Especially

49:27

if you. Have any memory

49:29

of those people and how big they were

49:32

in that time, You know? Yes, the thing

49:34

that really struck me about it was. How

49:37

much momentum you need to do something like

49:39

this? like you're so many personalities in the

49:41

room? Everyone, these are the best artist in

49:43

the world. They had all have strong opinions

49:45

on how things should be done and if

49:47

you stop for a minute. They're.

49:50

going to start voicing those opinions also currently

49:52

the was like very hot like there's no

49:54

a c and a lot of the

49:56

recording studios because the noise and so very

49:59

hot didn't care right in there and like everyone's just

50:01

kind of like Stevie Wonder's like

50:03

we should be swinging Swahili in there and

50:05

so on and well they're all used to

50:07

being the captains of their own

50:09

ship right exactly and and it's just like when

50:13

you have a lot of strong personalities your best

50:15

play is just to keep going like you have

50:18

to just keep going which

50:20

is you know my philosophy for this podcast

50:22

many of the times but yeah I also

50:24

will say that like

50:26

imagining how they would do that

50:29

like the the technology was

50:31

incredible too because today everything digital right but

50:33

back then it's like oh we sing a

50:35

take we are the world

50:37

and then it's like okay let's do that

50:39

again rewind takes five freakin minutes to rewind

50:41

the physical tape to read up right like

50:43

you can't just hit a button and

50:45

do it again and it's just like wow it

50:48

would be so stressful to not

50:50

make the day to not get what you need yeah

50:53

to get all these people together and it not actually amount to

50:55

anything would be like one of the most and you know the

50:58

revelation I did not know it maybe it was well known at

51:00

the time it seemed to have been well known at the time

51:02

I certainly wasn't aware of it as an eight-year-old that they

51:04

did this after everybody had

51:07

already been to an award show and

51:09

Lionel Richie had hosted the award

51:12

show it was basically they all pulled in

51:14

all these people pulled an all-nighter basically but

51:16

like not just an all-nighter not just like

51:18

we're starting late we're going all night you

51:20

have already been to an entire event that

51:24

is exhausting some people in

51:26

that crew performed in

51:28

you know like they already performed that

51:30

right yeah and it's I mean this

51:33

is also all done for African fans

51:35

like famine relief too yeah

51:37

and I think the fact that all these people

51:39

got together to raise money for a good cause

51:41

is also I would love to love

51:43

to see that a little more now because we have

51:45

a lot of causes in the world right now that

51:47

need help and funding to yeah it definitely recalls

51:50

a time when people in America cared about

51:52

people who are not in America mm-hmm or

51:55

at least sort of yeah yeah yeah

51:58

But anyway I. Also really enjoyed this

52:01

a lot more than I thought I would. I

52:04

think you know the we are the World

52:06

is it is such a part of our

52:08

culture, but it's also been. Parodied.

52:11

There's a there's an earnest this behind it

52:13

that is like very passe these days right?

52:15

I mean when the the Kobe thing with

52:18

a girl ghetto like happen like that was

52:20

immediately cringe forever by the raid. Like the

52:22

whole reason to believe video or whatever. The

52:24

biggest yes sire, the decline of our civilization

52:26

by the way is a terrible we went

52:28

from. We. Are the world to

52:30

Gaga.in her friend singing imagine yes

52:32

ah can't can't think of any

52:35

bigger sign that we are heading

52:37

towards the toilet as a civilization.

52:40

The latter signs and that projectors. Yes,

52:42

yes. the literate, literally celtic of a

52:44

single individual Other than that one. So

52:46

and you are. Ah well, that's why

52:48

Psycho. It was written me out by

52:50

or lyrics by Michael Jackson because it's

52:53

so earnest and. Hard on

52:55

sleeve you know, like he was it.

52:57

and it was the eighties You the

52:59

eighties was. I'm on a different time

53:02

right? Fucking are a lot of less

53:04

lot less irony isn't true. Ah okay.

53:07

So that's the greatest. I do regret this

53:09

did. Did you enjoy the documentaries? Me: I

53:11

love that. Like I like I said like

53:13

seeing the song being a broken leg just

53:15

mile Lionel Richie talking about that process, the

53:17

validity of Michael Jackson basically doing songs with

53:20

like bop bop bop. not like thinking in

53:22

terms of instruments been terms of melody. I

53:24

don't have kind of passing to like the

53:26

focus on great. I was this with my

53:28

wife and she's also young. She's need is

53:30

good to see. Enjoyed seeing all this but

53:32

it is like it is not for anybody

53:34

under twenty I guess right? Like this is.

53:37

Well clearly for people who grew up with

53:39

this context that they didn't like the first

53:41

part of the documentary. I was getting worried

53:43

because they do a thing where they like

53:45

introduces to the people and show. Why?

53:48

They were yeah popular at the time as

53:50

I always this we are the world for

53:52

dummies. Is this like states is? there was

53:54

this thing back in the day and steer

53:56

man whose name was Bruce Springsteen and he

53:58

was really I was really. That's what

54:00

the document will get it be was like. This.

54:03

Is for people that work there

54:05

but. I it it quickly becomes

54:07

not that on it, but I do think

54:09

there's enough there to kind of educate. folks.

54:12

That might not be supremely aware

54:14

of it. Agreed.

54:17

The. Documentary is the greatest night in pop.

54:19

It's streaming or in our Netflix. It

54:21

is highly enjoyable especially if you are

54:24

a tell the the eighties so check

54:26

it out if you want to learn

54:28

more. At. Let's take

54:30

a break front of a sponsor we back with more will go on.

54:32

Similar to this. Okay,

54:34

just a couple of other things to

54:37

bring up. I want to mention a

54:39

short film that I believe was nominated

54:41

for an Oscar. It's

54:43

called The Last Repair Shop. Of

54:46

us heard about this documentary bunny

54:48

to know I've been getting served

54:50

up. I think I'm

54:52

I'm not exaggerating. I'm pretty sure seen

54:54

in instagram ad for this documentary like

54:56

fifteen to twenty times in my instagram

54:58

stories like I'm I'm paging through my

55:00

cigarettes are as I get served a

55:02

check out the less repair shop. Like.

55:05

What Is What? What is? I don't know what

55:07

this is and they all well because even sing

55:09

the name over an hour you're welcome. And then

55:11

I opened up Who. And. I saw

55:13

this document or was there. The last repair

55:15

shop was right there and it's a forty

55:17

minute short film. And I

55:20

watch the and it essentially chronicles

55:22

what hat or that the chronicle

55:24

it's like about. This.

55:27

Repair Shop in Los Angeles. Los Angeles is

55:29

one of the. Last. Cities

55:31

in. The.

55:35

Country. That. Provides free

55:37

instruments for students. I want

55:39

them basically read so. If

55:42

you are apparently a music student in Los Angeles,

55:44

you have the built. The opportunities are some some

55:46

people do, I don't It's unclear to me exactly

55:48

how it works, but. You.

55:51

have the opportunity to learn a

55:53

musical instrument and this repair shop

55:55

is responsible for keeping all i

55:57

want to say eighty thousand instruments

55:59

in good working order. And

56:03

this documentary is really cool. It gave me a

56:05

lot of ideas

56:07

for like what what

56:09

a documentary can be because it

56:12

basically examines the lives

56:15

of the people who repair

56:17

the instruments and like how did

56:19

they come to be at this

56:23

shop repairing instruments? Like what what are the

56:25

set of things that happen in their lives

56:28

that brought them to this place where they

56:30

are repairing instruments? And I

56:32

thought that was very interesting. I thought that they

56:34

also like talk to some students about how

56:37

music is such an important part of their lives, how it

56:39

can change their lives. And so it's

56:42

a very, very moving documentary. It's beautifully shot. It

56:44

shows you like the process, not

56:46

in detail, but it kind of shows you

56:48

shots of the process of how they repair

56:50

instruments. And it's very intricate, very meticulous, very

56:53

detailed. And I just had

56:55

a great time with it. I thought it was

56:57

very powerful, very moving. And I'd recommend it if

57:00

you are somebody who believes in the power of music. And

57:04

so I basically inadvertently

57:06

ended up watching two documentaries about

57:09

the life changing power of

57:11

music this week. And the first was greatest side

57:13

of pop. The second is the last repair shop.

57:16

And I would recommend it. It's streaming right now

57:18

on Hulu. It's something I've been watching this week.

57:21

Devendra Hardwar, you got one last thing for us, right? Yeah,

57:24

real quick. I want to shout out. I

57:26

saw this movie called Drift, which didn't, it

57:29

was a finance movie. It was actually last year. But

57:32

Utopia picked this up, and I believe they're going

57:35

to be releasing this soon. It's directed by Anthony

57:37

Chen. It stars Cynthia Rivo and Alia Shawkat. And

57:39

I just found it kind of beautiful and moving

57:41

and just wanted to highlight it, like so people

57:43

can check it out when it's released. Cynthia

57:46

Rivo plays somebody a

57:49

person who seems to

57:51

have escaped her country from

57:53

Africa. She is stuck on a Greek

57:55

island right now. And she's just sort of existing

57:57

as a sort of like drifter.

58:00

or a migrant, you know, without any real

58:02

support behind her. So it is

58:04

really her kind of navigating this land,

58:06

seeing how, you know, Greek tourists and

58:08

people around her kind of react to

58:11

her too. And she strikes up

58:13

a friendship with Alia Shawkat's character. And I think

58:15

they both like reveal really fascinating things about each

58:17

other. So this is a beautiful movie

58:19

that, you know, it gets a little more

58:21

intense than I actually expected it to. But

58:24

I love Cynthia Revo. We've talked about how good

58:26

she is in like pretty much every single project

58:28

we've covered. So I think this is one

58:30

to keep an eye out for. Like it is very much, it

58:33

feels like one of those really like

58:35

prototypical Sundance movies, you know, like where

58:38

it is somebody dealing with tragedy and dealing

58:41

with guilt and loss and things and trying

58:43

to like find a center for themselves. But

58:45

I think it's also really beautifully told and

58:48

really, you know, incredibly well-acted by Cynthia Revo. It's

58:50

always great to see Alia Shawkat in something too.

58:52

So this is a great little indie movie. So

58:54

check out Drift when you can actually see it.

58:57

Yeah, how did you, did you, the publicist contact

58:59

you? Yeah, they reached out like I'm, the details

59:02

I can see right now is just like, hey,

59:04

this was a Sundance movie and Utopia picked it

59:06

up last year for distribution. So I assume

59:09

something is gonna happen soon with it, but I

59:11

just wanted to put it on people's radars. There

59:13

is a film critic who

59:15

posted on threads that they

59:17

were already watching Sundance. But he's, this

59:19

person said like, they're watching Sundance movies, you

59:21

know, getting ready so like

59:23

they can hit the ground running at Sundance

59:25

and I reached out, I was like, how

59:28

are you getting Sundance screeners before, just at,

59:30

even at Sundance? And then apparently, yeah, you

59:32

can reach out to publicists for

59:34

specific movies, like on a movie by movie basis.

59:36

It's super, actually I have an update on this

59:38

one too, because I have a new email. A

59:40

Utopia will be released in New York and Los

59:42

Angeles, New York on February 9th,

59:44

Los Angeles February 16th and it'll come nationally

59:48

on the 23rd. So this is a movie you'll be able

59:50

to see soon as well. All

59:52

right, well that's Utopia and that

59:55

is what we have been watching this week.

59:58

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our review of Argyle. A

1:03:56

little help? Hold on. The

1:04:08

book is phenomenal, sweetie, but what

1:04:12

happens next is called a cliffhanger. Must hurt

1:04:14

Ellie. It's called a copout. Welcome

1:04:17

to the Filmcast review of Matthew Vaughn's

1:04:19

newest film, Argyle, which is

1:04:21

in theaters right now. I'm

1:04:23

going to read the plot summary from the internet. Executive

1:04:26

author Ellie Conway writes best-selling espionage

1:04:28

novels about a secret agent named

1:04:30

Argyle who's on a mission to

1:04:32

unravel a global spy syndicate. However,

1:04:34

when the plots of her book

1:04:36

start to mirror the covert actions

1:04:38

of a real-life spy organization, the

1:04:40

line between fiction and reality begin

1:04:42

to blur." Devindra

1:04:45

Hardwar, I think you and I have

1:04:47

always had an affinity for Matthew Vaughn.

1:04:49

Sure. You know he

1:04:51

was a jerk to me at Comic Con. Yeah, I haven't offended

1:04:53

you before. I wasn't saying Jeff does, but yeah, I mean... You

1:04:59

said the three of us. The three of us,

1:05:01

sure. That's fair. It did seem like you were

1:05:03

excluding me from the Vaughn fun. I

1:05:06

think, I don't know, I'm going to

1:05:08

say for me personally, the Vaughn

1:05:12

method has had diminishing returns this

1:05:14

time. It's gotten worse and worse.

1:05:16

I think, you know, Kingsman was

1:05:18

fun and First Class was

1:05:20

a great X-Men movie and then there

1:05:22

was Kingsman 2 and then the King's

1:05:24

Man and then now... There's two more

1:05:26

of those movies coming, guys. More

1:05:29

and also, I think Kingsman was the point where

1:05:31

like, I mean, listen, from layer cake to kick

1:05:33

ass to a lot like... Stardust! Stardust

1:05:35

is great. Stardust is a

1:05:37

phenomenal movie. So definitely

1:05:40

somebody who has had some really great hits

1:05:42

and movies that we really enjoy and appreciate.

1:05:44

And yeah, there would be no James,

1:05:47

like Daniel Craig James Vaughn probably without layer cake

1:05:49

so he did like shape pop culture in very...

1:05:51

He did it in... Yeah. He

1:05:54

produced Lock Stock and he's smoking barrels. He was most

1:05:56

famously Guy Ritchie's producer before. Yeah, kicked off Guy Ritchie's

1:05:58

career. You know, so like... Uh,

1:06:01

he's done some things that are really valuable and

1:06:03

interesting for pop culture. But as time has gone

1:06:05

on, I feel like the affection for him has

1:06:07

waned. Uh, meanwhile, in

1:06:10

comes this movie, Argyle, an Apple original

1:06:12

movie made for what I understand is

1:06:15

around $200 million. Amazing.

1:06:17

Uh, that is

1:06:19

trying to reinvigorate the spy genre

1:06:21

and even stars one of our

1:06:23

favorite spies for Mission Impossible Fallout,

1:06:25

Henry Cavill. So the

1:06:28

question is, Devinger Hardwar, is

1:06:30

this movie a return to form for Matthew

1:06:32

Vaughn, or does the Matthew Vaughn method continue

1:06:34

to yield diminishing results? What do you think?

1:06:36

I think this is another step in the

1:06:38

precipitous fall of Matthew Vaughn. I

1:06:41

think he has reached the point where nobody

1:06:43

can tell him no anymore. And that is a

1:06:45

dangerous thing for any artist. And I think we

1:06:48

first started to see signs of this in,

1:06:51

uh, it was Kingsman two, the whole

1:06:53

Elton John thing, Elton John doing a flying

1:06:55

psychic. I remember being in the theater and

1:06:57

being like, Oh, that's, Oh,

1:07:00

okay. I know we're not trying to use

1:07:02

the word cartoonish in a bad way, but

1:07:04

it just seems like more and more of

1:07:06

his sensibilities are just like, Hey, wouldn't that

1:07:08

be hilarious? This is so funny. Um,

1:07:10

and I think he's doing a lot of things

1:07:13

that are funny to him and that maybe tickle

1:07:15

him in certain ways. And this movie is such

1:07:17

an example of, of all

1:07:19

his bad impulses, I guess, like it

1:07:21

is, Hey, it has some of these things I like.

1:07:23

I like, um, I like Henry

1:07:25

Cavill. I like a lot of the cast. A lot

1:07:27

of people pop up that we really like in this

1:07:29

movie. Um, I even like, like

1:07:31

playing like with the, the sort of like

1:07:33

meta story of a spy film and everything,

1:07:35

the entire first scene of this movie, which

1:07:38

we see a lot of in the trailer

1:07:40

is cliched for a reason because it

1:07:42

is like hitting all those spy movie tropes and

1:07:44

they even say, uh, we are

1:07:46

no, you know, we're not very different, you and

1:07:48

I like, I love all those things, but he

1:07:51

fails to like, make it

1:07:53

feel grounded or interesting. So

1:07:55

it's really the action. Like

1:07:58

the, this movie opens up with like a. very

1:08:00

over the top, whole action sequence and

1:08:02

chase sequence and fight and everything. And

1:08:04

you buy it because, okay, it's being told,

1:08:06

it's being framed as like, this

1:08:08

is the story. This is like a very cliches

1:08:10

by story. That's what we're watching. The

1:08:13

actual movie ends up being kind

1:08:15

of just that. Right. And

1:08:17

I think I just hate the way he shoots action now.

1:08:19

And I think that we will

1:08:22

remember when we reviewed Kingsman, I

1:08:24

think everybody went crazy for the

1:08:26

Colin Firth, uh, church

1:08:28

scene. Oh my God, Colin Firth, kick

1:08:30

it ass, right? Never seen that before.

1:08:32

And I never bought that scene. I

1:08:35

never bought that scene because it always felt like

1:08:37

it felt abrupt. It didn't feel, it

1:08:39

didn't feel like real. It didn't feel like anybody

1:08:42

was actually like actual humans were doing a lot

1:08:44

of the movement. And we've seen a lot of

1:08:46

the behind the scenes stuff like Matthew Bond does

1:08:48

a lot of like trickery for his choreography to

1:08:50

make actors who aren't like fully prepared, who

1:08:52

haven't trained six months for a movie like this, as

1:08:54

you may see in like a John Wick to kind

1:08:56

of make it seem like they are. And

1:08:59

after a point, it just feels like you're just,

1:09:01

you're just playing with action figures. It just, it

1:09:03

doesn't feel real or exciting or grounded. It

1:09:05

doesn't feel like the action is telling me anything. And

1:09:07

this movie is just ultimately filled with that, the

1:09:10

sort of action that makes my eyes roll because

1:09:12

it's not, it feels weightless. I don't know the

1:09:14

space you're in. Like I just, to

1:09:17

me, it's just like showy, but not actually

1:09:19

demonstrating or conveying anything to the audience. So

1:09:21

hate the action. I think the story of

1:09:23

this movie is very, very dumb. It's filled

1:09:26

with twists and turns. This is

1:09:28

a movie that gets dumber the more it goes

1:09:30

along too. Which is a damn shame. I

1:09:32

want to like his movies. Like as

1:09:35

we were saying, I think all his early

1:09:37

stuff, layer cake, stardust, kick ass. I remember

1:09:39

the whole Comic Con buzz

1:09:41

around kick ass. Like that was one of the

1:09:43

first things we covered when I was doing Comic

1:09:46

Con with Slashfilm. And I met him

1:09:48

in person. He was kind of a jerk to me, but I still

1:09:50

liked his movies. It just feels

1:09:52

like we have fallen far from that era where he was

1:09:54

really trying to prove himself and now he feels like he

1:09:56

has proven. And

1:09:58

nobody can say this looks really stupid. it. Please

1:10:00

don't do this. Or the character motivation doesn't make

1:10:03

any sense here. Or the story doesn't make any

1:10:05

sense. So this unfortunately, yeah, is

1:10:07

not a very successful spy movie. It's a

1:10:09

damn shame. And it's actually doubly disappointing because

1:10:11

I have come off the high of burning

1:10:14

through all eight episodes of Mr. and Mrs.

1:10:17

Smith, which is so fun and so energetic

1:10:19

and does so many fresh things with spy

1:10:21

tropes. To see this, it

1:10:23

just feels sad and disappointing from somebody I know

1:10:25

who can do better. I

1:10:28

want to talk a little bit about the opening scene. Oh,

1:10:31

so do I. Okay, Jeff, will this step on anything

1:10:33

you had planned or? Yes, but it's okay. No, no,

1:10:35

you go. Then you go first. You go first. So

1:10:38

let's go. So Jeff Kanata, tell us about your thoughts

1:10:41

on Argyle. Well, Dave, I

1:10:43

guess you could say my thoughts on Argyle are

1:10:45

best summed up in the form

1:10:47

of a limerick. All right, let's hear it, Jeff

1:10:50

Kanata. I like Matthew Vaughn

1:10:52

films a lot. And wow,

1:10:54

what a great cast they got. How

1:10:57

much fun this could be as a

1:10:59

pure comedy. Instead, it's

1:11:01

destroyed by its plot. Nicely

1:11:05

done, Jeff. I specifically want

1:11:08

to talk about that first,

1:11:10

the first two scenes of this. Yes, we got

1:11:12

to talk about. We are going to be spoiling.

1:11:14

We're going to be like, there are spoilers later

1:11:16

that we will not talk about. And honestly, to

1:11:19

really talk about this movie, you have to talk about the

1:11:21

spoilers. So we will get into that. But I'm going to

1:11:24

spoil the first two scenes. Yes. Because

1:11:26

let's do it. The movie's tone is

1:11:28

all over the place. And what it does

1:11:30

is it it starts with,

1:11:32

as Devendra referenced, a

1:11:36

over the top wacky,

1:11:38

stylized tongue in

1:11:41

cheek winking at the audience, goofy

1:11:44

spy movie. We're a

1:11:46

parody of a spy movie. And

1:11:49

then we pull out and we see,

1:11:51

oh, Bryce Dallas Howard is

1:11:55

sitting in front of an audience of

1:11:57

people reading out loud from a book.

1:12:00

What does that communicate to the audience? That

1:12:02

communicates to the audience that that's not how the

1:12:04

real world works. We have

1:12:07

established that now we are in

1:12:09

a grounded world that is different

1:12:11

from this over-the-top stylized world. And

1:12:14

yet, in that scene, we have a couple

1:12:16

of people who stand up in the audience to

1:12:18

ask questions. And the questions are, wow,

1:12:21

as an author, you

1:12:23

have gotten to the truth

1:12:25

of spying. You have, you're

1:12:28

the spy author. You're the

1:12:30

spy author that real spies

1:12:32

read. And immediately, as

1:12:34

an audience member, you go, huh. What?

1:12:39

That doesn't crack. Now

1:12:41

I'm, I don't understand

1:12:44

what this movie is doing. OK, but

1:12:47

now we have her going home and talking

1:12:49

to her mom and talking to her cat

1:12:51

and trying to figure out the end of

1:12:53

her novel. All very

1:12:55

normal, grounded human things in

1:12:58

this world that has been

1:13:00

established is very different from

1:13:02

the over-the-top stylized spy

1:13:05

world until it

1:13:07

isn't. And then, again,

1:13:10

tiny spoiler. I apologize. This isn't really a spoiler.

1:13:12

It's in the trailer. People know the pitch. But

1:13:14

then we have Sam Rockwell,

1:13:16

who shows up, who

1:13:20

is taking the place of,

1:13:26

what's his name? Henry Cavill. Henry Cavill. The

1:13:28

real archives. And she is

1:13:31

thinking, oh my gosh, is

1:13:33

there a real-life version of

1:13:35

my over-the-top crazy character who

1:13:39

has been cast by this movie

1:13:41

to look like the grounded, real,

1:13:45

not crazy superhuman, a real

1:13:48

dude. And so we

1:13:50

are further being taught by

1:13:53

the vocabulary of this movie

1:13:55

to expect that there is

1:13:57

a difference between the false.

1:14:00

over-the-top parody world

1:14:03

and the grounded Sam Rockwell is

1:14:05

a real spy world until

1:14:09

That starts to be behave

1:14:11

in goofy dumb ways. This

1:14:13

movie is Part

1:14:17

Austin Powers Mm-hmm

1:14:19

and part James

1:14:22

Bond and part, you know Daniel

1:14:24

Craig James Bond, right? I

1:14:27

Feel like between Austin Powers and Kingsman. I don't

1:14:29

feel like it ever goes to the well

1:14:32

I think it like

1:14:35

octopus e-bond like now maybe but it

1:14:37

but there is like a Taking

1:14:40

itself seriously right angle

1:14:42

to it. I My

1:14:45

personal preference is I

1:14:47

wish it just stayed Austin Powers.

1:14:49

Mm-hmm the

1:14:51

entire first

1:14:53

act of Establishing her

1:14:56

as the author and the world it

1:15:00

Fails miserably and it completely

1:15:02

undermines the entire rest of

1:15:04

the movie in And

1:15:06

we'll get to spoilers. I want to explain

1:15:09

even more what I mean by that but

1:15:12

It is so unnecessary so

1:15:15

stupid the premise of

1:15:17

this movie is fundamentally

1:15:21

Then I want to say

1:15:23

what the premise is if you don't want to hear the

1:15:25

premise of this movie Well,

1:15:27

maybe I'll wait for spoilers. Yeah, I'll wait for spoilers

1:15:29

But I want to speak to that specific the whole

1:15:32

Sam Rockwell thing like that is all in the trailer

1:15:34

So that is what people are going in to expect

1:15:36

right? Specifically

1:15:38

what I what I mean here, but but

1:15:42

it destroys What

1:15:44

could have been like by the end?

1:15:47

I think the cartoonish in

1:15:49

a good way the

1:15:52

sort of Looney

1:15:54

tunes wacky over-the-top fun that we're

1:15:56

having I was like this is

1:15:59

actually joyful. I actually

1:16:01

really like when this movie

1:16:03

just forgets reality altogether

1:16:06

and goes for it. But

1:16:08

like just be that movie the whole

1:16:11

time. Don't tell me that

1:16:13

that's this fictional world and

1:16:15

then make it encroach on the real

1:16:17

world. I think somewhere along

1:16:19

the line, Vaughn and his team thought, man,

1:16:21

wouldn't it be funny if the

1:16:23

real world turns out to be as weird

1:16:26

as the fictional world? But what

1:16:28

you're communicating to the audience is

1:16:30

that that's not the case. And

1:16:32

subverting that later on only

1:16:34

makes us go, what? This

1:16:37

doesn't because we're our expectation

1:16:40

is to be in a different

1:16:42

grounded reality. And there's no signposting

1:16:45

of it. It just starts being

1:16:49

silly. And the silliness comes across

1:16:52

as dumb as like, these,

1:16:55

this is just stupid. Instead of Oh, it

1:16:57

could have been Austin Powers from the whole

1:16:59

beginning from the from the word go. And

1:17:01

now we're in a comedy. We're having fun

1:17:03

the whole time. That's clearly the movie they

1:17:05

wanted to make. And the twists that get

1:17:08

us there are so not worth

1:17:10

it. So not worth it. I don't want to

1:17:12

talk specifically about that later. But go ahead, Dave.

1:17:15

Yeah, I think you you nailed it, Jeff, the

1:17:17

tones are a mess. And I felt

1:17:21

the story was starting to go out of control

1:17:24

in the first 10 minutes of the movie. Oh,

1:17:26

absolutely. When the again, it's that moment you mentioned,

1:17:29

at the book reading, the audience member stands up and

1:17:31

says, your work has been compared

1:17:33

to the work of john lakare. I'm like,

1:17:36

what? You know,

1:17:38

people are dressed up as Argyle, which by

1:17:40

the way, Argyle looks

1:17:42

hideous. Like just so many

1:17:44

choices like the hair, the suit, just

1:17:47

so many choices were made in this

1:17:49

movie. What have you done to Henry

1:17:51

Cavill? This is Superman. I became

1:17:53

like a dork. I cannot

1:17:56

buy this. Yeah, that's that was rough. But

1:17:58

Yeah, it would be like watching. I don't know.

1:18:02

Or read what? What's it? What's a good

1:18:04

example? Like reading Harry Potter and saying like

1:18:06

serves as it's This is an excellent examination

1:18:09

of what a true to life is that.

1:18:11

Like when it's a it's like looking at

1:18:13

Twenty Four right and talk until very recently

1:18:15

for be like oh this is like actually

1:18:17

a pretty realistic interpretation of our territory. Make

1:18:19

you visit with the Harry Potter which is

1:18:21

video for fantasy of the pathogenesis. It's oh

1:18:23

yeah, Twenty Four. oh yes yes. realistic. Or

1:18:25

you know your i guess yard the is

1:18:27

kind of yards to be. It's not as

1:18:29

intense you know, and it's even were it's.

1:18:32

Even more than that, it's ah, yes it is. Yes, it's

1:18:34

like if I Hussein was. Dumb.

1:18:36

And Dumber is a grounded

1:18:38

aside relationship drama. Guess is

1:18:40

as as or of that

1:18:42

gives a Beekeeper is a

1:18:44

really great examination of the

1:18:46

A T. How many of.

1:18:50

Them the lot of your version markets your

1:18:52

work has been cited as one of the

1:18:54

greatest both true to life works on the

1:18:56

art of Btp. Really good. If it is

1:18:58

this is that doesn't make any sense like.

1:19:01

And. So the fact that there

1:19:03

is no difference in tones is

1:19:05

bad. I am

1:19:08

sure lots of visual artist worked really hard

1:19:10

on this film and and work for a

1:19:12

long time but. The. Problem with this

1:19:14

movie? I think he is in a lot

1:19:16

of how it looks. It looks

1:19:18

weightless. It looks like he was shot in the

1:19:21

volume. It doesn't look like. Ah,

1:19:23

as anyone is actually doing the things that

1:19:25

they're doing and get it was like yeah,

1:19:28

it'll doubles or whatever you know. Very.

1:19:30

Little of it feels. Real.

1:19:32

And. That's. A huge

1:19:34

bummer. I think we've gotten from a

1:19:37

Kickass for all of its downsides. I

1:19:39

felt like for a lot of that movie those

1:19:41

people were physically doing the thing as they would

1:19:43

view the and leave new believe all part was

1:19:46

like a batman being on fire and that never

1:19:48

look good and kick ass but the accent people

1:19:50

moving that was usually does Yeah. And as

1:19:52

time as though you know, First Class has some really

1:19:54

nice moments in some not as great moments from a

1:19:56

Cg perspective. And then like Kingsman soon as the web

1:19:58

and now we're at this point. where it

1:20:01

takes, I think it takes a lot of

1:20:03

skill on the part of the director to

1:20:06

blend CG and real life action

1:20:08

seamlessly. Obviously one of the canonical

1:20:10

examples of this is Mad Max

1:20:13

for Erode. You

1:20:15

know, tons of CG in

1:20:17

that movie doesn't feel like it at all, right?

1:20:19

Doesn't feel like it at all. This is a

1:20:22

movie where literally every single, even scenes where people

1:20:24

are just hanging around outside a house, like

1:20:26

looks like it's being shot on a country. That is CG

1:20:28

for a big chunk of the time because they needed the

1:20:30

cat to do things. It's like, I can't even believe the

1:20:32

cat. Everything

1:20:35

looks CG in this film. But is

1:20:37

it okay if what you're making is

1:20:39

the mask? Exactly. Right?

1:20:42

If you're making, you know, Who

1:20:44

Framed Roger Rabbit or the mask in the

1:20:46

context of a spy movie, I'm... Or

1:20:49

poor things, I would say. Right.

1:20:51

That could be fun. That could be

1:20:53

a really fun movie. And honestly, I got

1:20:55

to tell you guys, the last

1:20:57

couple of scenes of this movie, when

1:21:00

it just goes full out, I

1:21:02

thought was clever and fun. I'm like, okay,

1:21:05

that's the movie you wanted to be the whole

1:21:07

time. To be that movie. Why do you have

1:21:09

to pretend to be this

1:21:11

other thing for two hours? It's

1:21:13

so dumb. I'm reminded,

1:21:15

you guys remember if Looks could

1:21:17

kill the Richard Grico movie? Okay.

1:21:20

Yeah. That was another, it was an action comedy. I,

1:21:23

for some reason, I saw this a lot

1:21:25

as a kid, it's about an 18 year

1:21:27

old kid who becomes kind of a super

1:21:30

spy. It's like actually very similar to, I

1:21:32

don't know, the various things we see happen in

1:21:34

this movie. But that movie

1:21:36

was goofy and dumb, didn't make any sense. And this

1:21:39

kind of gets you in there too. And, you

1:21:41

know, Jeff, I wish I liked the unstuff more, but

1:21:43

we'll talk about that. Yeah, let's talk about it. So

1:21:45

let's get to spoilers. Okay. So anyway, those are overall

1:21:47

thoughts on Argyle. Unfortunately, none of us liked it very

1:21:49

much. I will also say one other thing.

1:21:52

The runtime of this film is

1:21:55

unforgivable. Unsaint. Yeah. There is, there

1:21:57

is no reason. An hour should be removed from this. There

1:21:59

is no reason. this movie needs to be two hours

1:22:01

and 20 minutes long. We really just see, at

1:22:03

some point we see a famous actor

1:22:06

just like playing on a computer for

1:22:08

like a minute, hanging out. I

1:22:10

have another thing I need to say before spoilers. Yeah.

1:22:13

Well, let me elaborate on that point. I

1:22:16

have heard, I remember when I was

1:22:18

watching, when

1:22:20

I was growing up, you know, Face Off, the John Woo movie, one

1:22:22

of my favorite movies of all time. Also

1:22:24

very goofy in parts. And I remember

1:22:26

seeing some reviews that say, oh, you know, I think

1:22:28

there's probably like one or two, one or

1:22:31

two too many action scenes in Face Off. I

1:22:33

remember thinking at the time and still do today, what

1:22:36

are you talking about? What are you talking about? This is

1:22:38

some of the most incredible action that has ever been directed

1:22:40

with real life people. I

1:22:43

don't, and I think that's, that was Matthew

1:22:45

Vaughn's motivation. He's like, oh, I have so

1:22:48

many cool action movie ideas. Yeah. I

1:22:50

want to fit into this movie. And that's why

1:22:52

the movie is so long is because there's, I'm

1:22:54

going to say conservatively one hour's worth of action

1:22:56

scenes in this movie. The

1:22:59

problem for me is that very

1:23:01

few of the action scenes actually look very good and

1:23:05

often look like they

1:23:07

use tons of digital effects that just pull me

1:23:09

out of the immersion of the film. And

1:23:11

this is very true in the final 30, 40 minutes. Like

1:23:14

there's all these scenes that look like

1:23:17

just unconvincing to me. And

1:23:19

that's why the movie felt like it took

1:23:21

an eternity. If these were like very grounded action

1:23:24

scenes where I believe these people were doing this

1:23:26

stuff, then I would feel

1:23:28

very differently about it. It's sort of like, uh,

1:23:30

I would compare it to maybe like Ira G's

1:23:32

man from uncle two, which is another movie that

1:23:34

I think really captures a good specific, okay, we're

1:23:36

going to do like sixties era spy step, but

1:23:38

also be grounded and not be like overly, I

1:23:41

don't know, overly like showy with things, but it

1:23:43

still manages to have the big action scenes. I

1:23:45

think another thing working against this movie is that

1:23:47

I literally just saw the trailer for

1:23:49

the ministry of ungentlemanly warfare. Uh,

1:23:52

the, a couple hours before I saw this movie, that

1:23:54

is the new guy, Richie movie also starring Henry Cavill.

1:23:57

It just looks good. She

1:24:00

and Matthew Vaughn slowly becoming the same person.

1:24:03

Well, it really felt like when I talked to Matthew Vaughn, and

1:24:05

that was like 2009, it just seemed like,

1:24:08

I'm done. I'm done with Guy Ritchie. I'm not producing.

1:24:10

I'm my own man doing my own things. And it

1:24:12

seems like they had a big creative split. It

1:24:14

does kind of feel like, you

1:24:16

know what's weird is that Guy Ritchie is

1:24:18

kind of becoming the better filmmaker over time

1:24:20

and Matthew Vaughn is becoming worse, weirdly. Yeah.

1:24:24

All right, Jeff, go ahead. Your last point here. As

1:24:27

much as I was so frustrated

1:24:29

and turned off by so much

1:24:31

of this movie, I

1:24:33

think the biggest travesty,

1:24:37

the most egregious transgression

1:24:39

that happens in this movie is

1:24:41

the use of

1:24:44

the final Beatles song. I

1:24:47

was going to say, yeah, what you thought

1:24:49

about it. No fewer than three needle

1:24:52

drops of the same

1:24:54

song and an

1:24:57

orchestral reimagining of

1:24:59

it. There's

1:25:02

literally a scene near the beginning of the

1:25:04

movie where she opens up her MacBook, sits

1:25:07

down, turns on her Mac. It's like,

1:25:10

is this an Apple film? How can

1:25:12

I possibly know? Clearly Apple funded the

1:25:14

making of Now and Then, which is,

1:25:16

I think, a gorgeous song, but it

1:25:18

completely tramples over, in the same way

1:25:20

Matthew Vaughn trampled over the memory of

1:25:22

Prince. Prince, yeah. You completed that specific

1:25:24

thing in Kingsman 2, Jeff. I hated

1:25:27

it so much, the drop

1:25:29

of Let's Go Crazy, which you would never

1:25:31

have allowed if you were alive. And

1:25:35

there is literally a moment in this

1:25:37

movie where she puts

1:25:40

this thing on, she goes, this was our

1:25:42

song for years. It's like, it hasn't been

1:25:44

all around for years. It

1:25:50

can't be your song! It was literally technology

1:25:52

allowed that to happen 15 minutes ago! It

1:25:58

made me so angry. So

1:26:00

angry! Alright,

1:26:04

well those are our overall thoughts on

1:26:07

Argyle. Let's get the spoilers

1:26:09

for Argyle starting right now. Alright,

1:26:34

I mean... Where to begin? Where to begin? Okay,

1:26:36

so, Jeff,

1:26:38

I don't think you've seen the trailers for

1:26:41

this movie, but there is something very hilarious

1:26:43

that's happened online this week. Where the

1:26:46

entire marketing campaign of this

1:26:48

movie hinges around

1:26:50

this question of who

1:26:52

is Agent Argyle? Who

1:26:55

is the real Argyle? A

1:26:57

trailer literally ends with, who

1:27:00

is the real Argyle? We're gonna show you right

1:27:02

now! And then the trailer ends. And

1:27:05

it's like, who is the real Agent Argyle? And

1:27:08

what's funny is, essentially, people

1:27:11

discovered the deadline.com article announcing

1:27:13

this movie years ago. Give

1:27:15

away the whole solution right in

1:27:18

the headline of the article. Well,

1:27:21

I'm sorry, here's the premise of

1:27:25

the movie. That we are supposed

1:27:27

to believe pre-twists. Which

1:27:30

is, a

1:27:32

woman is writing spy

1:27:35

novels so well

1:27:38

that they are predicting the future.

1:27:41

This is... The idea

1:27:46

of a twist is

1:27:49

that the given

1:27:51

circumstances are

1:27:53

plausible. The given

1:27:55

circumstances make more sense, are

1:27:58

so obvious. that

1:28:00

we wouldn't even question them because

1:28:05

Then the twist go oh wow what I

1:28:07

took to be the

1:28:09

obvious truth the given circumstances what I took to

1:28:11

be a Completely realistic understanding

1:28:13

of what's been going on is

1:28:16

now turned on its head by new it

1:28:18

Wow Oh, it just

1:28:20

made so much sense before and now whoo and

1:28:22

recontextualizing you

1:28:24

cannot have a a

1:28:28

Given set of circuit the premise of

1:28:30

the movie the entire time. I'm like

1:28:33

the fuck We're

1:28:36

supposed to swallow The

1:28:39

fact that all

1:28:41

of these spies are after her

1:28:45

Because if she finishes the

1:28:47

book It will

1:28:49

tell them the future that's

1:28:53

That's the baseline Yeah,

1:28:55

three twists action, baby. It's dumb from

1:28:58

the start it is Proposerous

1:29:00

yeah, it's preposterous and no one

1:29:02

questioned that she doesn't question that

1:29:06

It's like it's the stupidest thing I

1:29:08

could possibly I honestly have a certain

1:29:10

point was like is this

1:29:12

movie about a woman going through a Psychotic

1:29:15

break all this is gonna be like imagine through

1:29:17

it. Yeah, this is a complete. She's having a

1:29:19

breakdown right now It's

1:29:22

it is it makes no Sense

1:29:24

from the word go it

1:29:27

and the you by the time the twist comes you're

1:29:29

like well, thank God There's

1:29:31

an actual reasonable explanation for this

1:29:35

You know because I couldn't possibly bear

1:29:37

the fact that the movie is hinging on psychic

1:29:41

writer lady I Really?

1:29:43

I really wish the cat was more involved.

1:29:46

I was actually kind of the cat like

1:29:48

psychically transferring spine almost to her like Okay

1:29:53

Give me so what what was the point of a cat

1:29:55

even the kind was such a essential

1:29:57

part of the marketing I

1:30:00

understand it's like it's this idea of

1:30:03

this the duality of you know,

1:30:05

Ellie Conway, right? And part of

1:30:08

her loves dogs But then she

1:30:10

became a different person because she got brainwashed

1:30:12

by Bryan Cranston Uh-huh now she loves cats

1:30:14

and look I will say cool moment when

1:30:16

Bryan Cransey shows up right like in the

1:30:22

Which I mean literally when he shows up in

1:30:24

the hotel The entire

1:30:26

theater yeah behind me was like

1:30:29

what the fuck? General

1:30:34

general expressions of Belief

1:30:37

and stupidity, but that's why I was like, oh, yeah

1:30:40

so many cooler explanations as to why that would

1:30:42

be then what's in this movie and It

1:30:45

squanders these great great actors doing these

1:30:47

fun turns So

1:30:50

also why would any of these

1:30:52

people allow her to become famous? Yeah,

1:30:55

why would they allow? Yeah, the worst thing

1:30:57

that could possibly happen is that anyone buys

1:31:00

her books Yeah, maybe you should keep her

1:31:02

on the down low, you know, make her a substitute

1:31:04

teacher I don't know or like

1:31:06

let her write but don't let her

1:31:08

then be published Extremely

1:31:11

powerful spy organization don't let

1:31:14

the books get public Only

1:31:17

we could control this Is

1:31:21

implausible that like Four

1:31:23

books have already been published. They have let her

1:31:25

get to like, you know She's

1:31:28

like she's like Stephen King

1:31:34

Organizations started reading the first book and they're like

1:31:36

well Let's

1:31:42

see where this is heading, you know Absolutely

1:31:48

Posturist and then the the notion that oh

1:31:50

all of the things that she's been writing

1:31:53

are accurate So that first scene with

1:31:55

the the car driving on you know

1:31:57

over the bill that all was sure

1:32:00

That happened! That happened! They did a

1:32:02

police story in Greece, basically. They

1:32:04

did a bad voice too in Greece, essentially. The

1:32:06

other thing I want to say is that this

1:32:10

movie completely cops out on

1:32:12

saying anything of substance about

1:32:15

gender identity. Because it hints

1:32:19

at that. It brushes up

1:32:21

against it. It flirts with this notion

1:32:23

of why does she see herself as

1:32:27

Henry Cavill. Right. Right.

1:32:30

But literally, no. Why

1:32:33

does her romantic relationship translate

1:32:37

into a male-male relationship in

1:32:39

the novel in her memory?

1:32:42

That could be really interesting. Could be

1:32:44

interesting territory to mine. They don't even

1:32:46

seem to realize they've roached the subject.

1:32:48

Exactly. None of that. The

1:32:50

whole early fight scene with Sam Rockwell switching

1:32:53

between Henry Cavill never made sense, because is

1:32:55

she imagining Sam Rockwell doing that? Because later

1:32:57

on, she's seeing John Cena as our child.

1:33:00

I go, what are the rules of it?

1:33:02

There aren't any. Like, how is this working? You're

1:33:05

so right, D for

1:33:30

some reason. You know? But she

1:33:32

comes back at the end. So you know,

1:33:34

it's all look away. When they

1:33:36

kept saying like the person who was

1:33:38

online, did anyone for a second not

1:33:40

assume exactly what it was? It

1:33:43

was completely obvious. You

1:33:45

know, I have a lot of questions about how

1:33:47

Aaron DeBose ended up on that oil tank or

1:33:49

whatever the heck. But you know, what no one

1:33:51

cares. They end up on the oil tank or

1:33:54

even that wasn't clear to me. Yeah. The whole

1:33:56

like a placement of people in

1:33:58

space, objects in space, like I just. I just

1:34:00

don't understand anymore when so much of it

1:34:02

feels manufactured. So that's, that's a weird thing.

1:34:05

I want to point out the, the only

1:34:07

one that has the secrets we need her

1:34:09

to publish them for all

1:34:11

the world to read. It's the stupidest

1:34:13

thing. It's

1:34:16

also dumb. Sam Rockwell

1:34:18

jumping up from beneath the floorboards

1:34:20

with dual pistols. That shot was

1:34:22

in the trailer and that

1:34:24

specific shot made me think, Oh

1:34:27

no, this is a disaster because

1:34:29

it looks, it looks so silly. It looks

1:34:31

like it is a scene from wanted,

1:34:34

you know, the Timur Beckman, but off

1:34:36

wanted movie and not like anything, not

1:34:38

anything we'd expect in those bi-movies like

1:34:40

this. So anyway, I got to say, I

1:34:42

loved the smoke dance secrets.

1:34:47

I loved your enjoy dating on the oil.

1:34:49

By the time we got there, I was

1:34:51

like, ah, this could have been the whole,

1:34:53

we could have just had this goofy,

1:34:56

you know, this could

1:34:58

have been, um, um, I

1:35:02

had a whole movie reference in my head. I

1:35:04

liked it. You guys didn't like those scenes. I

1:35:06

hate it. That was the point where I was

1:35:08

like fully checked out of this movie. I was

1:35:11

struggling to stay awake. I'm like, Oh, we're doing,

1:35:13

we're doing hearts with smoke. Now, the thing about

1:35:15

this movie, Jeff is I felt it was that

1:35:17

dumb and that silly from the get go, like

1:35:19

basically from the Sam Rockwell train. That

1:35:22

it was the same thing. It was the same,

1:35:24

like weird bloodless violence, which

1:35:26

I also have a problem with in Sam

1:35:28

in like all the Matthew Vaughn movies. Like

1:35:30

I felt this in Kingsman two, like remember

1:35:32

like it was that movie was all about

1:35:34

heads exploding. Yeah. But they could never show

1:35:37

red. So they exploded into like fireworks or

1:35:39

something. Yeah. And this movie is the same

1:35:41

thing. Like he is tearing up a train

1:35:43

car, shooting people, knifing

1:35:45

people, nothing. That car

1:35:47

is spotless. That was actual human

1:35:49

pain there. I agree with you,

1:35:51

Devinger. That said, that was my favorite action scene

1:35:53

in the movie because it looked like it was

1:35:55

the only one that looks good physically doing things.

1:35:57

It's a far cry from that too. on

1:36:00

knives right like well

1:36:03

that was that was still a

1:36:05

moment where I bought that we were in a

1:36:07

grounded spy movie yes there was some comedic takes

1:36:09

of him like trying to talk to her and

1:36:11

then get knocked out of the door but I

1:36:13

thought that was kind of fun stuff and agreed

1:36:15

like that that could totally take place in a

1:36:17

James Bond movie yes so

1:36:20

I still was I felt I was being

1:36:22

communicated that we're still in a movie very

1:36:24

different from her pulp

1:36:27

novel reality and the fact that

1:36:29

it just keeps creeping and by

1:36:31

the time we're like you know falling

1:36:34

backwards onto things and having the cat

1:36:36

fly out what the fuck is this

1:36:38

movie doing yeah we really

1:36:40

need that CG shot of the cat going

1:36:43

up yeah I think my problem with the

1:36:45

smoke fight scene is it's very obviously didn't

1:36:47

actually use smoke and I know yes it

1:36:49

looks terrible I'm sure it would have been

1:36:51

difficult to actually smoke and and

1:36:54

have and like be able to do multiple takes

1:36:56

and all that stuff maybe God is telling you

1:36:58

don't do this but the eye clean pops up

1:37:00

the eye can tell the difference and it's like

1:37:02

the human eye can tell the difference and it's

1:37:04

like it just doesn't look good and that's

1:37:07

immediately followed by the ice skating oil

1:37:09

scene which like I'm not even sure makes any sense

1:37:12

you know that you could do that I thought

1:37:14

of the reference by that point the movie I was like

1:37:18

oh we're in Shaolin soccer mmm

1:37:20

yeah hmm that's what this

1:37:22

movie wanted to be from the start is not

1:37:25

tethered to any sense of reality

1:37:27

right it's a live action cartoon

1:37:29

a live-action Looney tune and I

1:37:32

would be down for that like I think Von

1:37:34

could pull that off I mean Kingsman flirts with

1:37:36

that too and I like do

1:37:39

it make it that but don't couch it

1:37:41

in oh there's two

1:37:44

realities and she's just it's all

1:37:46

so dumb just

1:37:48

make a mix Austin Powers make

1:37:50

a fun goofy comedic spy movie

1:37:52

I'm into that I see

1:37:54

your point Jeff it just it felt like it felt like it

1:37:56

creeped in really quickly is the thing like it didn't you feel

1:37:59

like okay maybe We're supposed to have

1:38:01

that separation early on but once the train sequence

1:38:03

happens They escaped through that by him blowing out

1:38:05

with the parachute and like it's all It

1:38:08

just all looks very silly. Then my thing about the smoke

1:38:10

is just like this is all for show

1:38:13

This is all okay. They're in love but they're not It's

1:38:16

just waves and waves of guys running off

1:38:19

to these people who are just like Randomly

1:38:21

pointing their guns all over the place and

1:38:23

just getting mowed down So it felt like

1:38:25

it felt like a weird video game cutscene

1:38:27

because it doesn't doesn't mean anything

1:38:29

The action doesn't mean anything other than to

1:38:31

make the smoke make a heart because

1:38:34

they're in I agree I don't disagree with any of that. I

1:38:36

just felt like by the end. It's like oh You

1:38:40

know, yeah, they're not be this just

1:38:42

be this maybe this is also bad,

1:38:44

but at least don't pretend

1:38:46

you're not this Say what you

1:38:48

want to make more of this? Yeah, they

1:38:51

what you will about the fake Argyle book

1:38:53

within the story But at least it's an

1:38:55

ethos, you know, like at least it was

1:38:57

like hey you were you're going for something

1:38:59

specific there He Matthew Vaughn wants to make

1:39:01

more of these movies and did you guys

1:39:04

see the mid-credit sequence? No, I

1:39:06

got others I literally it came in

1:39:08

like within yeah. Yeah, I know I know

1:39:10

there's a mid-credit sequence we could

1:39:12

talk about what happens in it I rarely do this,

1:39:14

but I I

1:39:17

was so Ready to

1:39:19

leave the film that I just bolted

1:39:21

like when when not even like right

1:39:24

when they're driving away on the boat

1:39:26

Yeah, yeah, I got up out of

1:39:28

my chair and like position myself at

1:39:31

the exit so I could just flee the second

1:39:34

So you didn't laugh like the flashes pose to

1:39:36

start running you were just like ready I

1:39:40

stood like in the little hallway

1:39:42

like vestibule like right leading

1:39:44

into the hallway So

1:39:47

that the second the first credit I could just be like I

1:39:49

don't want this movie to take any more of my

1:39:52

time That is absolutely necessary. But you saw

1:39:54

the Henry Cavill review. I did see Henry Cavill. That

1:39:56

was fun But what are we supposed to make a

1:39:58

back? I have no goddamn idea Yeah, oh

1:40:00

you actually remember to Henry Cavill's

1:40:02

here Like there is

1:40:04

a guy whose physical appearance is what

1:40:07

you based your weird pseudo memory on

1:40:10

Yeah, although he doesn't look anything like

1:40:12

Henry Cavill in the story because his

1:40:14

hair is different, you know I think

1:40:16

he has a real handle abuse in

1:40:18

this movie. He has a different accent

1:40:20

as well. Anyway, okay So there

1:40:22

is a mid-credit sequence where a

1:40:24

we get a title card 20 years

1:40:26

earlier You see somebody enter a bar

1:40:29

the King's man, and it's just

1:40:31

all like oh my god What are you holding it

1:40:33

into the same universe? You don't know it's the Matthew

1:40:35

Vonniverse Baby, it's the Matthew Vonniverse and he keeps being

1:40:37

cheeky is like, oh, yeah, I have ideas There's

1:40:40

a whole thing like guys the movie says it's

1:40:42

based on the book and we don't even know

1:40:45

Is the is Matthew Vonn or is the scriptwriter

1:40:48

of this movie actually the person who made the

1:40:50

quote-unquote book? Like it's all like a weird marketing

1:40:52

thing like just to say this movie was based

1:40:54

on the book But Matthew Vonn's just like hey

1:40:56

if we get the green light We want to

1:40:58

make more of these movies We want to make

1:41:00

one like based on the actual book that

1:41:03

was that was written about plus

1:41:05

also another meta movie Following these

1:41:07

characters and yet clearly Matthew

1:41:09

Vonn has just lost the plot Like that's

1:41:11

my thing guy Richie's out here going back

1:41:13

to back to basics giving us a kick-ass

1:41:15

group of dudes There's a group of people

1:41:17

just like going on the mission, you know,

1:41:20

Matthew Vonn wants to make more cartoons

1:41:22

Alright, so so the The

1:41:28

post credit sequence is a guy that shows up at

1:41:30

the Kingsman he introduces himself as Aubrey

1:41:33

Argyle who is like The

1:41:36

character from the books that's played by

1:41:38

Henry Cavill in the movie and then

1:41:40

you see the text Argyle book won

1:41:42

the movie coming soon, right is what

1:41:45

happens? Yeah on screen So yeah,

1:41:47

the thing that's extremely odd that doesn't make

1:41:49

any sense We're

1:41:53

based on her memories our

1:41:56

Kyle Which by the way as

1:41:58

a person who loves puns even I hate that. But

1:42:02

Jeff, what if I was going to say,

1:42:04

that must be Jeff's favorite part of the

1:42:06

movie is when she's revealed as R. Kyle.

1:42:08

I will say after suffering through this thing,

1:42:10

an entire movie that is just the book,

1:42:13

just the silly stuff from the book, I would

1:42:15

actually be more into that than more of the

1:42:17

weird meta stuff that they're trying to build off

1:42:19

of that. I agree with that, but

1:42:21

I don't understand how... Is it

1:42:26

still just memories of Bryce Dallas

1:42:28

Howard? Well, those things happened. Now

1:42:31

it's the real story of the memories that

1:42:33

were in that character who was brainwashed and