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right, let's get to emails. Let's

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start with this one. This one is an incredible email. All right. This

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is one for the record. I mean, we already had

1:49

an all-timer email about birds. I think

1:51

it was last week. This

1:55

one is also going to be an all-timer email,

1:57

not necessarily because the email necessarily is accurate, but

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because. of what it contains within. Yeah. You're

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really calling a Homer before we get to

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the email. Yeah. Yeah. Lioness writes into slash

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filmcastagemo.com. I have been a fan of your

2:08

podcast since discovering it back in 2014 and

2:12

have been an avid listener each week. Other

2:15

than being a podcast freak. I

2:18

like to do lists of films. And so a while back, I

2:21

got this crazy idea of trying to

2:23

list every film mentioned on your podcast,

2:25

more specifically in the What We've Been

2:27

Watching segment. Oh, no. After months of

2:29

work, I have compiled the

2:31

one thousand eight hundred and thirty four, give or

2:34

take a few films

2:36

mentioned on your podcast throughout the

2:38

years from the culturally relevant avatar

2:40

with its five mentions to the

2:42

obscure shorts mentioned sometime 13 years

2:44

ago. Arguably, this is a

2:46

pointless project, and I'm not sure you guys want

2:48

to see every such compilation of the podcast history,

2:50

but here it is. And then Linus

2:53

provides a link to the

2:55

list on Letterbox in which all

2:58

eighteen hundred plus films are listed. That's

3:02

that's extraordinary. It's extraordinary. And I while there's

3:04

a part of me that feels a little

3:06

guilty, somebody would utilize

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the precious hours they have on this planet

3:12

to do that. But also,

3:15

I mean, we're guilty than the fact that

3:17

we spent, you know, thousands of hours talking

3:19

about this. You know, this is a

3:22

real thank you question mark. Like, thank

3:24

you. OK. Our lives

3:26

are worthless, but this person

3:28

seems like this person. Now

3:30

you can quantify it. And have the database

3:33

of how worthless the things we mentioned years

3:35

ago seem like a

3:37

smart and enterprising individual and therefore deserve not to

3:39

have their time wasted. Right. Exactly.

3:41

Yeah. My question to you, and I

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think I already know Dave's answer, but

3:45

I feel like is Letterbox the best

3:48

way to compile this? Probably. Yeah.

3:50

Yeah. I am. I

3:53

am. I would describe myself as a heavy letterbox user. No, that's

3:55

what I said. I knew what you were going to say. Are

3:58

you a letterbox patron, Dave? I'm

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a sponsor. What level letterbox fan are you?

4:02

I'm a letterbox pro so I pay for

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the the paper. Yeah This

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is great because what's great about letterbox is first

4:11

of all the interface is very pleasing to use

4:13

you can see like all of the Movies

4:16

laid out with their box art as

4:18

it were but also it's very

4:20

easy to sort You know, you can sort my dates you

4:22

can sort by list order you can sort by genre by

4:24

decade So yeah, it's

4:27

I'm a pretty big fan. You can you can find

4:29

me on there. I update it every week Is but

4:31

I don't really I'm not a letterbox pro nor am

4:34

I letterbox amateur? so

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my question to you is does letterbox allow

4:38

you to Do

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any kind of data analysis? Like can we look at the

4:43

average rating of the things we've watched

4:45

or you know Any of that stuff

4:48

that'd be fun. I believe so. I'm

4:50

not exactly sure but here Linus does

4:52

have some trends So, all

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right. Well, I like it. This is the first

4:57

the first episode that Linus ever listened to was

4:59

2014 episode

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298 Exodus gods and kings Obviously

5:05

classic episode that's the one that brings the people

5:08

to the yard. We got more

5:10

listeners from reviewing Exodus gods and

5:12

Kings really Scott doesn't even remember

5:14

making that movie, but you know

5:18

Worked out well for us That is

5:20

the odds and Kings. All right, and then

5:22

so That is

5:24

a WTF with Robin Williams of the

5:26

film cast, you know saying Linus

5:30

had some interesting observations

5:33

So 1927 metropolis

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all this movie mentioned on the podcast also

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according to letterbox You

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know letterbox has like a Their

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own version of what the highest ranked and

5:48

lowest ranked movie is on the show So

5:53

any idea any guess any random

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guess as to of

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all the movies of all the 1800 plus movies

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we've mentioned in less years what the most highest

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rated on Letterboxd movie is and

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the lowest rated movie on Letterboxd.

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Is the lowest rated Exodus Gods and Kings?

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Lowest rated is 2009's Dragon Ball

6:12

Evolution. Who

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talked about that? I'm looking your direction, Devindra.

6:20

Not me. It was not me. And

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then according to Letterboxd, the highest rated

6:25

movie of all the movies we've

6:28

mentioned is 1985's film Come and

6:30

See. We've actually recently watched because

6:32

it was announced that it was

6:34

Letterboxd's highest rated film. One of

6:36

their highest rated films of all

6:38

time. I hope

6:41

to discuss it at some point on the film. This

6:44

list excludes

6:47

anything that was a main review. I

6:49

think it does everything. Yeah, it looks like everything,

6:52

but no TV, right? Because the Letterboxd is just

6:54

Letterboxd doesn't do TV. I think it also doesn't

6:56

do like offhanded menus that weren't in what we've

6:58

been watching. Yeah. Is what it really excludes. It's

7:00

my turn. Like if we just randomly mention a

7:03

movie right now, you know, Dick's

7:07

the Musical, you know, if I just mention that.

7:09

I mean, I'm going to talk about that

7:11

later, but yeah. So it's a terrible example. Yes,

7:14

that's right. Thank you. The

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Garbage Pail Kids movie. There you

7:19

go. Which is actually also ironically

7:22

on the list and therefore terrible. Also what

7:24

you watched this week. Also

7:26

what I watched. So what other

7:28

trends that Linus lists here? 1999's Fight

7:30

Club is

7:34

the most popular movie that

7:36

that was mentioned. What

7:38

makes it popular? I think maybe like most people

7:41

watch is my guess. Most popular. And

7:43

then the most obscure

7:46

film mentioned is Brock

7:49

and Wright. Good Times Will Never Be the Same.

7:51

That is a film from 2009. Wow.

7:54

Brock and Wright. Good Times

7:56

Will Never Be the Same. I don't even know what that is.

8:00

Remind me there are our letter writer's

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name Linus Linus

8:04

Linus. Thank you Linus. It

8:06

did Linus include any Statistics

8:09

on how long this took him to

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compile. No, I don't think he Linus

8:14

you need to follow up because this is an extraordinarily

8:18

Task, I think it took him. It looks like

8:20

he said a month a month. Yeah month. Yeah

8:25

Get back Linus, but we appreciate it Thank

8:28

you the film was the

8:31

longest span of time Between

8:34

the first time it was mentioned and

8:36

the last time it was mentioned The

8:40

first time it was mentioned was episode 98 Last

8:43

time it was mentioned was episode 752 Wow,

8:47

which by the way just happened. Mm-hmm

8:49

And I guess what's the movie that we just

8:52

mentioned in the last couple months that

8:54

we might not have mentioned for a while This

8:56

is a prominent mention a movie

8:58

that resurfaced that resurfaced as

9:01

it were Jeff. Can I make guesses

9:03

there? I don't know I'm not

9:05

coming up with any surface from the depths of the

9:07

ocean. Oh a bit the abyss

9:09

Yeah, that's because and that's largely because there's

9:11

been no easy way to access that movie

9:14

during the course of the last decade or so so so

9:17

so in letterbox he's able to put the

9:20

When we talked about it or is this just

9:22

I think we should just throw his own operation

9:25

Mm-hmm. That's what's needing data. He would be nice

9:27

that bad data plus like the leopard episode number,

9:29

you know Like letterbox

9:32

was the best way to do it, you

9:34

know, perhaps Yeah, I mean when you

9:36

write the list you are I think you're able to

9:38

put Oh,

9:41

yeah. No, no. Yeah, he actually I'm sorting it

9:43

by list I'm changing my view of the list

9:45

and he is able to you

9:47

can sort by oh, yeah Which

9:50

episode number it was on it looks like

9:52

he he went back further than episode to

9:54

guess who mentored you for Incredible

9:58

incredible. Okay the film mentioned

10:00

in the most episodes of

10:03

the podcast is

10:05

2009's very culturally relevant

10:07

film Avatar. Five

10:10

episode mentions plus two main

10:12

reviews. Yeah,

10:14

certainly by the metric of

10:17

film cast mentions that is the

10:19

most relevant culturally relevant

10:21

film. I

10:25

will just say looking over this list

10:27

it's depressing. It's

10:29

a very... I can

10:32

look at a specific movie mention

10:36

remember oh I remember where I was you know and

10:38

when we recorded that and what we were talking about

10:40

in the zeitgeist so that's kind of cool. I

10:43

think I have

10:45

many reactions to the list right like one

10:48

of like you you can just like look over all

10:50

the box art and just like go over the vast

10:52

corpus of all the stuff we have talked about and

10:54

I think I'll just

10:56

share like two to three

10:58

reactions I have. First of all it's just fun

11:01

to be reminded of old good movies that

11:03

you've talked about. I remember we talked about

11:06

how to train your dragon for the first

11:08

time you know like

11:10

the good the bad and the weird salt you know

11:12

like all these movies that I have really enjoyed the

11:15

past looking over the list. The

11:18

second thing is second

11:20

reaction is wow there is just a

11:23

lot of movies here that no one ever

11:25

talked about again. We mentioned that on the

11:28

podcast and literally never spoke about again and

11:30

you just feel the weight of

11:33

how much human effort

11:36

went into making this work that just like

11:38

it's hard to get people to care about

11:40

things you know. Conversely there

11:43

is many works on here

11:45

that have become classics that are

11:48

in many people's you know top ten lists

11:50

of all time that like are referred to

11:52

again and again. Many films here where sequels

11:55

are still coming out today like Avatar the Way of Water you

11:57

know like so I think feel

12:00

the full way of both poles

12:03

on the spectrum, right? Like movies that

12:05

no one has ever talked about again, that

12:07

like most people, you know, 99% of people

12:09

listening to this don't know exist. And

12:13

then movies that everyone knows

12:15

exist. And it's just like,

12:17

feel sometimes feels like a

12:19

thin line separating those, those

12:22

things. So and

12:24

you can find that in line right here on the film

12:26

guests. So anyway, yeah, so the easiest

12:28

thing about it is that this is just

12:30

a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of

12:33

things that have been created over that period.

12:36

Right. Right. I know. It's, it's

12:39

incredible. It's incredible to like contemplate. So

12:42

anyway, well, Linus, we really appreciate

12:45

you making this list and sharing with us. I will

12:47

link to this list, or we will link to this

12:49

list in the show notes, so

12:51

people can enjoy it. Yeah,

12:55

I mean, it's also just like

12:57

a testament to how long we've been doing this.

13:00

And specifically, specifically, the vigor and I have

13:02

been with this podcast is beginning. And it's

13:04

like, wow, man, some of these things are

13:06

so old, dude, like, we thought

13:08

about it since like, 2009, 2010.

13:10

There are so many movies on here that I literally

13:13

haven't thought about since that time,

13:15

you know, like since this podcast began, like

13:18

just looking at all for dogs is on

13:20

here. Right. I'm

13:26

just saying it now. I'm just noticing. Hotel

13:29

for Dogs. The 2008 film Blindness.

13:33

I think about that a lot. Yeah.

13:35

No one's ever had it was. Yeah.

13:37

2008's City of Ember. I

13:39

want to know who reviewed Hotel

13:42

for Dogs. 2009's

13:44

Direct Story

13:48

All. You know what movie I was thinking

13:50

about recently? You know who directed Hotel for

13:52

Dogs, David? Tell us, Jeff Camilla. Thor, Fruit

13:55

and Fall. Mm. There

13:57

you go. It's one of our classic Thor, Fruit

13:59

and Fall. fall films. The

14:01

whole fruit and fall

14:04

oeuvre is worth

14:06

revisiting. You know a movie I was

14:08

thinking about recently was 2008 films Flash

14:10

of Genius. Mm-hmm. Did you guys ever see that

14:12

movie? Yeah. That is a movie that I feel

14:15

like just would not be made today. No. You

14:17

know, like

14:19

it's... Nor would Hotel for Dogs. Those movies

14:21

are made all the time. I don't agree

14:24

with that. Yeah. That is in fact, we

14:26

get more Hotel for Dogs than Flash of

14:28

Geniuses now. Yeah. There's gonna be a huge

14:31

Hotel for Dogs esque. You know, there's a dog movie coming up

14:33

this summer, Jeff. I don't know if you see it. Mark

14:36

Wahlberg has that new dog movie

14:38

coming up. Anyway. Thor fruit and

14:40

fall involved. If not, I'm not interested. All

14:42

right. Let's... Jeff

14:45

Kanata. Thor probably listens to this podcast. I'm sorry.

14:47

And you are being really mean to Thor. And

14:49

we're gonna get an angry email and it's gonna

14:51

make us feel bad. So let's just... See it's

14:54

a hotel. Let's just cut our losses now. But

14:56

it's for dogs. Sorry.

14:58

Go ahead. That was

15:01

before I was on the show. I wasn't even on the show. Anyway,

15:04

Flash of Genius is a Greg Kinnear movie

15:06

about the invention of the intermittent windshield wiper.

15:08

Yeah. Which I

15:11

honestly think given what has transpired since then about patent trolls

15:15

and stuff, I actually think Greg Kinnear is

15:18

the villain in the movie. But anyway,

15:21

really random movie that I was... Every time I

15:23

use my intermittent windshield wipers on my car, I

15:25

think about, I remember that Greg Kinnear movie. Anyway,

15:27

the movie we talked about in 2008. So,

15:31

okay. Thank you to

15:33

Linus for that trip down memory lane. And

15:35

if you want to take a trip down memory lane and look at

15:37

everything we've reviewed, check out Linus's list

15:39

on Letterbox. I'll link to it in the show notes.

15:42

Really appreciate Linus putting in that work and sharing that

15:44

with the film cast and the film cast community.

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in the morning. You're in the

17:01

morning. All the trouble is in

17:03

the morning. Nice.

17:10

I think that might be one of the best... It's really

17:12

good. Bumpers we have. There's layers to it.

17:14

It's so good. The Stallone

17:16

coming at the end. It's going so good.

17:18

So good. So good. Thanks

17:21

to Simon Harris for that music. Sorry if that

17:24

volume was a little bit loud. I might have miscalibrated that a

17:26

little bit. So if that blew out your eardrums, I apologize. The

17:29

Slash Film Court is the somewhat

17:32

irregular segment where we adjudicate your

17:34

movie-related dilemmas. This week there was

17:36

one that I felt I had

17:39

to get to because I think it just characterizes.

17:41

I didn't actually forward this to you guys because

17:43

I wanted to surprise you with it on

17:45

the podcast. So here it is. This

17:48

one comes in from Fie. I

17:51

don't know if that's how you pronounce it. I apologize. P-H-I

17:55

writes in... And you know,

17:57

now that I mention it, maybe I shouldn't mention their whole name.

18:00

So, I'm gonna bleep that

18:02

out. Actually. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll bleep that out. Hey,

18:04

Noah, if you're listening to this, bleep that out, okay?

18:06

Bleep that out. Alright. Bleep

18:08

out, bleep out Fi's last name. Okay.

18:12

Uhhh... So, anyway,

18:15

Fi writes in, Uhhh...

18:18

Hi, film cast. With my friends,

18:20

I am usually the one they go to when they

18:22

need a movie recommendation. I

18:24

take a lot of pride in sharing the films I love with the

18:26

people I care about. However, I've had

18:28

a few misfires as of late, that

18:31

I can't help but take personally, and has

18:33

me rethinking my strategy for recommendations altogether. Oh

18:35

boy. I recently recommended

18:37

Infinity Pool, and...

18:40

Oh boy. Fingernails, to my parents, to

18:42

a couple of friends. And

18:45

the feedback was not... To a couple of former

18:47

friends. And the

18:49

feedback was not positive. I was

18:51

told Infinity Pool was unhinged and

18:53

deranged. It is. And they did

18:55

not enjoy it all. For fingernails... That is an

18:57

accurate review of that movie. For fingernails, they claimed

19:00

it was so very stupid. He has these in

19:02

quotes, by the way. So very stupid. I

19:04

love both these films, and that feedback hit me kind

19:07

of hard, and left me a little embarrassed. I

19:10

know films are entirely subjective, but I wanted to get

19:12

your opinion on the right approach to recommending films. It's

19:14

obvious to know your audience, and

19:17

not recommend a terrifying movie to someone who doesn't

19:19

like horror or violence, but how much weight should

19:21

I put towards my perception of someone else's taste,

19:23

versus just wanting to recommend a good

19:25

original film? I personally loved Alex Garland's

19:27

Ben, but I know better

19:30

than to recommend that to anyone. But I

19:32

ask myself, why? Could that itself be considered

19:34

elitist or snobbish if I withhold the film

19:36

recommendation, because I think someone else might be

19:38

turned off by it? As

19:40

you can see, these rejections have clearly gotten to

19:43

my head, and I need your help. What

19:45

is your process for recommending films to friends

19:47

and colleagues, and how much mental calibration do

19:49

you do for each individual? End

19:51

quote. Speaking of Corpus...

19:55

This guy's Corpus is not great. It's

19:57

only three strong, but you know... I'm

20:01

gonna... I

20:04

will say, uh, misfires happen. That's the

20:06

name of the game. When you shoot

20:08

a recommendation to somebody, like, you really

20:10

never know, I will say

20:13

something like Infinity Pool, I will couch that

20:15

recommendation, be like, the movie's a little crazy,

20:17

but if you're into that sort of thing,

20:19

it's certainly memorable, and that's how I would pitch it. First

20:21

of all, before I even get to that, I just wanna

20:24

say, this is one of those

20:26

emails where every single movie that mentioned

20:28

made me retreat further into the fetal

20:30

possession. That's what I was thinking about

20:33

Corpus. The Corpus is not strong. As

20:36

the email continues, I'm like, oh, man,

20:38

you know, I'm like, Marge

20:40

Simpson covering her face meme. I don't even think

20:43

Alex Garland likes Madden. From what

20:45

I've read about him, from what you

20:47

read about him directing him. He specifically

20:49

talked about the movie, he's like, I

20:51

don't know, guys, it's out here. Yeah,

20:55

it kind of calls into question the

20:57

whole beginning of the email, which is,

20:59

my friends come to me for movie

21:01

recommendations. Okay, so yes,

21:04

the whole premise is a little bit

21:06

weird. Secondly, I completely agree with Devindra.

21:08

It is basically movie

21:11

recommendation malpractice to not provide

21:13

some kinds of caveat. You

21:15

cannot throw people in on

21:18

Tully. Sorry. You need that

21:20

context. Specifically for a movie

21:22

like Infinity Pool. For Fingernails,

21:25

I think that's completely fine. Okay,

21:27

they don't like Fingernails. Fingernails is an extremely boring

21:29

film that Jeff Kanata couldn't say. And

21:32

I barely did. But if people don't like it, it's

21:34

like, okay, whatever. But

21:38

Infinity Pool, that is a movie that

21:41

could genuinely be upsetting to people. And

21:43

you need to – So could men. Absolutely.

21:46

Well, he knows to not recommend that one, so

21:48

that's good. But I'm

21:51

just saying, Infinity Pool, that is malpractice to

21:53

not provide some caveat or warning

21:55

or something. Caveat, warning,

21:58

yes. Here's the

22:00

thing. It's

22:02

frustrating to me that our emailer

22:06

sitting here on the court in my

22:08

robes, it's frustrating to me that our

22:11

emailer gives lip service to know your

22:13

audience, but

22:16

that's the entire job of

22:19

reviewing. That's the entire job

22:21

of recommending movies is know

22:23

your audience, know who you're speaking to. The

22:26

recommendation is someone

22:29

is not coming to you for a recommendation. If

22:31

they're a friend, they're not coming to you

22:34

for a recommendation of like, hey, tell me

22:36

something you liked. They're

22:38

saying, tell me something I would like.

22:41

Right? Netflix's entire business is revolved

22:44

around the recommendation engine. That's the

22:47

thing. It's about suiting tastes

22:49

and whatnot. I will say, I take

22:53

the greatest pleasure in becoming a

22:55

trusted source for somebody for movies and then

22:58

just sort of like pushing it a bit. That's

23:00

where you're like, oh, did

23:02

you, you kind of like the wildness of

23:05

a certain type of movie. You may, in

23:07

fact, like Infinity Pool, even if it may

23:09

not sound like your deal. When somebody enjoys

23:11

something, I recommend that's a push. That

23:14

feels more fulfilling than anything. You have

23:16

to gradually, like you're slowly putting arsenic

23:18

in someone's food. You

23:21

have to gradually. The IOK

23:23

powder movie recommendation. Oh,

23:27

you like this, the Chris Evans

23:29

spy thriller Ghosted? Perhaps try Brandon Kornenberg's

23:37

Possessor. Oh,

23:39

you like Brandon Kornenberg's Possessor? Perhaps try Infinity

23:41

Pool. It's got to be a gradual ramp

23:43

up. I like that

23:46

to be real. Stealth introducing horrifying

23:48

films into someone's diet. That's great. Great approach. You

23:50

like Hotel for Dogs? How about Skyrise? Oh, wow.

24:00

Yeah, good reference. Okay. So, uh, so yes,

24:02

they're not really I right. What was that

24:04

called the the big the crazy? The

24:07

Ben Wheatley the Ben Wheatley that wasn't high

24:09

rise high rise high rise. Yeah, the Ben

24:12

Wheatley high rise was Tom Hiddleston terrible

24:14

film Terrible

24:17

did not like it the other thing but if

24:19

you're into hotel for dogs, you might what about

24:21

hotel for dogs, but for people Yeah Right.

24:24

Yeah, no, you know your audience Know

24:26

your audience is is is the job

24:28

is and that's the joy. I I

24:31

totally appreciate what David you're saying about pushing

24:34

people kind of like Gradually nudging

24:36

them outside their comfort zone, but

24:38

the joy is oh my god

24:41

I just saw something that David

24:43

would love and I guess I

24:45

just saw something that is totally

24:47

in Dave's wheelhouse This is amazing.

24:49

Like that's the joy. The joy

24:51

isn't well, I certainly liked something

24:53

So I'll blindly recommend it to

24:55

my friends. That's that's

24:58

not the job in

25:00

terms of other tips I would Something

25:02

I do is I ask people You

25:05

know people occasionally come to me for movie recommendations

25:07

because they because they know what I do And

25:10

I will ask people what? Emotions

25:13

do you want to experience? What

25:15

are you what are you looking for? Like? I'd

25:18

like to make that happy because you have 50

25:21

page questionnaire to fill out before he will recommend

25:26

Yes Therefore it's a

25:28

50 page question Explain your emotional state to

25:30

me as simply as possible. What are you

25:33

in the mood for is the human way

25:35

of saying that? I'm putting your

25:37

emotional state Like

25:41

you want to be you want to be happy you want something exciting

25:43

would you enjoy human laughter? Oh

25:52

Anyway ask people what they want. What

25:55

are they looking for? I I can't

25:57

basically there's like six

25:59

things that had to go wrong

26:01

for our listener to recommend Infinity

26:04

Pool to someone who wasn't going to be your

26:06

seventh. Yeah, the first thing that went wrong is

26:08

they watched Infinity Pool. You know,

26:10

know your audience but also like what is the recommendee

26:15

looking for, you know, and then

26:17

calibrate your thing accordingly. Also, I

26:19

always recommend people look

26:22

at other signals, you know, like

26:24

Rotten Tomatoes, Cinema Score, like does

26:26

your friend's taste align

26:28

with Cinema Score? You know, if so,

26:30

maybe Cinema Score is a better recommendation

26:32

than you choosing Alice Garland's Men, you

26:34

know, like I, anyway, so know

26:37

your audience, know

26:39

like kind of what they're looking

26:41

for, and also potentially use other signals

26:43

to recommend things for them, like other signals that may

26:45

be more accurate than your

26:48

taste is what I would recommend. So all

26:51

that said, how often does this actually happen?

26:53

Jeff, do you get like requests for movie

26:55

recommendations on the reg? Yeah, frequently, yes. And

26:58

you guys do too, I assume. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah.

27:04

But it's all about, I mean, I am the

27:07

king of caveats. I will, you

27:09

know, oftentimes a movie recommendation

27:11

request will be phrased

27:14

in a way that makes you, that

27:16

tempts you into doing what our emailer has

27:18

done. They will be phrased like, oh hey,

27:20

have you seen anything good lately? Yeah, no

27:22

one wants, no one wants that. No one

27:24

wants to know. They don't actually want, they

27:27

don't actually want to know the weird movie

27:29

that tickled your particular fancy. You know, you

27:31

can bring it up, you can say, oh

27:33

man, I saw Infinity Pool, it was wild.

27:35

But what you really want to see is

27:37

Wonka. That's really, exactly. You don't want any

27:40

Infinity Pool. Right. You can, you can share

27:42

your experience with it, but you know, I

27:44

am the king of caveats. I will say,

27:46

well, you know, I watched Infinity Pool.

27:49

It's not for everybody. I don't know if you

27:51

like it. It's very strange

27:53

and out, you know, people at

27:56

the end of last year, it was very common.

27:58

I would go to gatherings. You know,

28:00

I'd go to a Christmas party here or a family

28:02

meetup there and people would be like, what was your

28:04

favorite movie of the year? And I'll say, Anatomy

28:07

of a Fall, but I

28:10

don't know if you will like Anatomy of a

28:12

Fall. You know, like I, that was my favorite

28:14

movie of the year. I think it's amazing. You

28:17

know, beware, it's, you know, it's got

28:19

some, not in English

28:21

all the time, you know, there's things you

28:23

have to say to get people prepared. That's

28:25

the job, that's the job of recommending. Yes,

28:28

well, anyway, thank you for

28:30

the email, Fai, and we are

28:33

hoping that you take our light-hearted

28:35

criticism not too deeply, but also

28:37

at the end of the day,

28:39

yeah, I mean, if we

28:41

let it, you know, if we took

28:44

it personally, whenever someone didn't enjoy any

28:47

of our recommendations, we would have stopped doing this podcast. We

28:49

wouldn't be friends anymore. About 749 episodes, you know, so. You

28:55

should see the texts when Dave recommends a

28:57

movie to me. Oh my

28:59

goodness. Yeah, I highly

29:01

recommend you watch this. You will probably not

29:03

like it, and you may be angry at

29:05

me, but here, I

29:08

bought it for you on iTunes. The last,

29:10

well, the last one I recommended that I

29:12

felt a little bad about was Ibelin from

29:14

Sundance. Yeah, and that was good. And I

29:16

started it, I started it, I started that

29:19

text. I said, Jeff, do you want to

29:21

watch something emotionally devastating? I

29:23

didn't even say, I didn't say anything about the movie.

29:26

I didn't say it's good, I didn't say I loved

29:28

it. I said, do you? And then after I said,

29:30

no, I do not, he said, well, this movie will

29:32

do that to you. You should probably watch it. Yeah.

29:36

Anyway, all right. And then five minutes in the movie,

29:38

I texted him, and I went, I don't know if I can

29:40

do this. But I did, and it was very good.

29:43

All right, anyway, thank you. You can keep

29:46

the emails coming into slashfilmcast at

29:48

gmail.com. Good luck,

29:50

Fai, let us know if things change as

29:52

a result of this segment on the podcast. We'd love

29:54

to hear about it. All

29:56

right, let's get to what we've been watching, folks.

29:59

It is time. what we've been watching. There's

30:01

a bunch of stuff we want to talk about today. I

30:03

will mention

30:05

that I watched

30:07

the number one movie on Netflix this

30:09

week. Always a good choice. Called

30:12

Lover, Stalker, Killer. Just

30:15

crowdsource your viewing to Netflix. That's what

30:17

I do. It's also like the title

30:20

of this is basically Netflix keywords, right?

30:22

Lover, comma, stalker, comma, killer. Are you

30:24

even doing this for all three? All

30:26

at once? This is the kind

30:28

of all

30:32

naked algorithm.

30:36

So true. This is a documentary

30:39

about, you know, I'm

30:41

going to try to keep it light on the details. Here

30:44

we go. I'll

30:46

read the plot summary from Netflix. In

30:48

this twisting documentary, a mechanic tries online dating

30:50

for the first time and meets a

30:52

woman who takes romantic obsession to a

30:54

deadly extreme. And

30:59

I will say there's a couple like big twists

31:01

in this documentary, which by the way, they explain

31:03

up front, hey, there's going to be some big

31:05

twists to this thing. You know, this

31:08

is a perfectly enjoyable

31:10

way to spend 90 minutes

31:12

if you are a true crime fan. But

31:15

it's a very weird documentary because there's so

31:17

much stuff that this

31:19

documentary does not go into where

31:21

I'm just like in any of it, like

31:24

there's a reason why a lot of these true

31:26

crime things are, you know, six part 10 part

31:28

series. It's because there's so many details to explore

31:30

about what happened at every single phase

31:33

of this case and all, you know, what happened

31:35

at this phase of this person's life and so

31:37

on. And a lot of that stuff is just

31:39

glossed over in favor of this

31:42

is a wild story. You would hear

31:44

someone tell at a bar basically in

31:47

documentary form and it's well put

31:49

together. It's glossy. It's like well-directed.

31:51

The interviews are good. Um,

31:56

how can you go wrong? You know, but it's just kind

31:58

of like what is, you know, anthropologically

32:01

I'm just trying to understand what is it

32:03

about this movie about it's

32:05

not like these people are famous right it's not like

32:07

they're this is a very well-known case some dude it's

32:10

just some guy who like ended up in this case and it's

32:12

like are we now we

32:14

are in a situation where you know and

32:16

I guess we all knew this already we're

32:18

in a situation where any person who goes

32:20

to something extraordinary they

32:22

can get their movie they can get the story

32:24

seen by like millions of people and I'm not

32:27

saying they're not trying to do that or anything

32:29

they're not trying to be famous but there are

32:31

people making documentaries who are out there looking for

32:33

these stories right like people want to

32:35

tell stories like that because they know true

32:37

crime is the thing so I'm wondering how

32:39

is that cycle working yeah I think I

32:41

think this is part of that cycle we're

32:43

in right now which is that but you're

32:45

kind of did that in the last season

32:47

to be honest like talking about this sort

32:49

of thing yeah but it's an example of

32:51

just some random guy going through an extraordinary

32:53

situation and then getting a 90-minute

32:55

documentary made out of it and now that documentary is

32:57

the number one movie on Netflix you know like this

33:00

is not not to make light of this

33:02

whole situation but it feels like we are

33:04

we are just like seconds away from an

33:06

actual serial killer making their

33:08

own documentary and releasing it online as their

33:10

own story you know like there was that

33:13

wrote the next Netflix movie that's probably gonna

33:15

happen Netflix Netflix gonna buy those rights you

33:17

know pay that guy while they're in prison

33:19

but listen there was that horrifying

33:22

story about the kid who decapitated their own

33:24

father you know and live-streamed it and it

33:26

was on YouTube for six hours that's

33:28

true crime that is true

33:31

crime you know so it's like when it's when

33:33

does this end is kind of

33:35

my my thinking yeah

33:37

I don't know I don't know because it's

33:39

so like there have been so

33:41

it's gonna happen a serial killer will

33:44

ultimately produce their own thing like it's

33:46

gonna be wild there's no

33:48

like a serial killer but they really want to

33:50

be a producer they really want to be a

33:52

producer yeah listen isn't Hollywood

33:55

really about being a bloodthirsty yeah

33:57

you know psychopath yeah yeah Yeah,

34:01

to be clear, none of that is happening

34:03

in this documentary. But I agree with Devendra's

34:05

assessment that something like this being so popular

34:07

is indicative of a trend and that trend

34:10

is probably not going anywhere good. So it's

34:12

going to get worse and worse. That said,

34:14

interesting movie, if you want a

34:16

sort of like, hey, you want

34:18

an interesting story for 90 minutes, it's like, hey, it's not

34:21

a terrible way to spend time, but it's not like I

34:23

would I wouldn't describe it as a great film or anything

34:25

because there's a lot that it leaves out.

34:27

And I don't really think it's about anything. You know, I

34:29

don't really think it's about anything. You know what I mean?

34:31

Like, I think, oh, this is a good story. Bad day.

34:33

It seems like a bad day. Oh, yeah. Like

34:36

that's the thing when I'm trying to whatever

34:39

thing I make next, it's like you don't want to just

34:41

be like, oh, that's a cool story. You want it to

34:43

be about something. You want it to say something. And I

34:45

don't know that it's saying anything. It's just,

34:48

hey, it's a wow. What a wild story.

34:50

That's what it's saying. You know, so lover,

34:52

stalker, killer, tailor, soldier, spy. Yeah. Lover, stalker,

34:54

killer on Netflix. That's one thing I've been watching this

34:56

week. Devendra Hardwar. I had a set of some of you watching. Sure.

34:59

Well, I finished the curse because you guys love

35:01

the curse so much. So I kind

35:03

of made my way through that over the past few

35:05

weeks and made all the Vision Pro work and everything.

35:08

And I have to say, I am

35:11

a little baffled by how much

35:13

you guys love the show because

35:15

the show itself is a mess. Like talk about

35:17

a thing that does not know

35:19

what it wants to say. I guess it's the

35:21

thing. Like, I think the curse is

35:23

a 10 episode series. And

35:25

I feel like half the time I'm

35:27

just like, get on with it because it is saying

35:30

the same thing over and over again. I will say

35:32

though, Jeff, you, you really praise the finale. I think

35:34

the finale is at least

35:36

interesting in terms of like what

35:38

it does. And we'll, we'll talk about a full spoiler

35:40

thing of the curse in a, in the after dark

35:42

for this week, but the finale

35:44

is interesting, but even then it's like, okay, so

35:46

that was a really cool idea. How does that

35:48

connect to anything else? Like what, what did you

35:51

make me sit through to get to that

35:53

finale? I don't feel like the

35:55

curse really justified that, but I do think the finale,

35:57

the structure of the finale was kind of cool. Dave

35:59

and I did. Mention that you could probably

36:01

just watch the finale as a standalone. Yeah

36:04

That's a sign of a bad show.

36:06

Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll talk more about

36:09

it. We'll talk more about it So the curse

36:11

10 episodes they're

36:13

all pretty much close to an hour long I'm

36:16

seeing people on here complaining about the pacing

36:18

of True Detective season Gold

36:24

just giving you great character work and moving the

36:26

plot along. I Don't

36:28

know I don't know about this show guys. Hmm.

36:30

All right. Well, the curse is cursed We'll talk

36:32

more about it. We'll do a little spoiler second.

36:35

Yeah in this week's after dark about the curse

36:37

season finale Just watch the finale.

36:39

I do think you can watch the first episode then

36:41

watch. Yeah, what if you I agree Yeah, that's a

36:43

great way to experience the curse. That's a movie length

36:45

Yeah, watch watch the first episode and then watch the

36:47

finale that is completely acceptable way of watching the show

36:50

I'm well, I think there's good stuff throughout but oh

36:52

yeah, we'll get into it. Yeah, I love you I

36:56

would love if you want to try to

36:58

be about something then be about something rather

37:00

than be touching on ten

37:02

things and not really say What

37:05

you're really about like to me that is a little more

37:07

infuriating. But yeah. All right Well, that's the curse it is

37:09

streaming right now in power my plus Jeff

37:11

Kanata hit us up with something you've watched Well,

37:14

I checked out a movie on Hulu

37:18

Because I like Jake Johnson. I think we

37:20

all do I know Devendra likes Jake Johnson.

37:22

I love Jake Johnson I need to see

37:24

this movie would be but Jake Johnson fans

37:26

over. He should be a bigger star agreed

37:28

Yeah, I tried to convince my wife to watch this movie

37:31

with me and then she watched a trailer and then she

37:33

said I'm not watching that movie. It also seems totally a

37:35

per alley to Jeff it is I

37:39

Don't watch trailers. So I just jumped in because it had

37:43

Johnson's directorial debut

37:45

written and directed written and directed

37:47

a movie and Obviously he called in

37:49

a bunch of favors because there's a lot of famous

37:51

people in it And I'll sell for

37:53

Alliance just to be yes, so self-reliance is the

37:55

name of this movie. It is on Hulu now

37:58

It is a scant one hour 25

38:00

minutes so that also made me go hey I'll give this a

38:02

shot you know hard

38:06

for me to recommend anyone watch this brutal

38:11

poor guy yeah it's

38:13

not great I

38:15

had to force myself to finish it just

38:18

because I was like is there gonna be anything

38:20

at the end that makes this worthwhile and the

38:23

answer to that is nope so

38:25

I would like to

38:27

spoil the premise of this movie it's in the trailer

38:29

yeah go ahead well I don't know how much

38:31

I don't know what's in the trailer I haven't watched

38:33

the trailer but I will tell you this so

38:35

that the idea of this movie

38:38

is there's this kind of loser dude down in

38:40

his luck guy who was in a long long-term

38:42

relationship and got out of it you know was

38:44

was kind of dumped and he's

38:46

done that much to live for and

38:48

someone approaches him Andy Samberg the actor

38:50

Andy Samberg approaches him in a limousine

38:53

because he's hired by some shady nebulous

38:56

corporation company organization

38:59

whatever that is doing

39:01

a dark web reality show a

39:04

dark web reality show where

39:07

and they asked me if he wants to

39:09

participate where people will be

39:12

trying to kill him for

39:14

30 days and if

39:16

he can stay alive for 30 days he wins a

39:20

million dollars they

39:22

there are no he will be

39:24

recorded on cameras that he can't see that are

39:26

hidden you will never know where anybody

39:29

is there may be people from multiple countries coming

39:31

at him they may never even find him who

39:33

knows but he's got to stay alive for 30

39:35

days and he gets a million dollars

39:39

the key caveat here that

39:41

make that hit the hinge

39:44

upon which this entire movie

39:46

pivots is that

39:50

the assassins will

39:53

not kill him if

39:56

he is around someone else if he

39:59

is in close proximity to

40:01

someone else because they don't want to have any

40:03

collateral damage. They will murder

40:05

him, but they don't want anybody else to

40:08

get accidentally catch a stray bullet or some

40:10

such thing. So if

40:12

he is really close

40:14

to someone, they

40:17

will not kill him. They will not attempt to kill him.

40:21

So this character decides, what

40:23

will I do? I'll just be really close to

40:25

someone for 30 days. Done

40:27

and done. Easy million. Well,

40:30

his family thinks he's nuts. They

40:32

don't want to be around him. He

40:34

can't do it. So some family. So

40:37

some family. Yeah. I

40:40

mean, it's kind of humorous how they just like abjectly

40:44

reject his, they bring up all these other

40:46

times. So the key element

40:48

to this movie is you kind of

40:50

never know if this dude is really

40:54

experiencing this or if

40:56

he is sort of having a psychotic episode. But

41:02

he is a tiny spoiler. What

41:05

happens is he

41:09

puts out an ad on Craigslist trying

41:11

to find out if anybody else is

41:13

on this dark

41:15

web reality show. And

41:18

he meets up with

41:21

Anna Kendrick, who says

41:23

she's also being hunted by the

41:26

shadow, the shadow assassins.

41:29

And their grand plan is they

41:32

will be around each other so

41:35

as to prevent the murdering. Which

41:39

feels like a bad plan. You know, it

41:41

makes no damn sense, Dave. They're

41:49

both trying to be

41:51

killed. They're trying to assassinate both of them.

41:53

So why does being around each other change

41:55

anything? It makes no

41:57

sense. The

41:59

whole The point is, they don't want to kill anyone

42:01

they're not trying to kill. They're trying to

42:04

kill both of those people! Are you sure? They

42:06

don't want to kill anyone they're not trying to

42:08

kill? Or is it they don't want to shock

42:11

anyone? Defend

42:14

their delicate sensibilities by killing someone in front of

42:16

them? Because that would make them feel bad. They

42:18

just kill both of those people! Win-win!

42:21

They'd feel bad that one of them

42:23

witnessed the other one. Anyway, okay. I'm

42:26

joking. I'm joking. The

42:29

point I'm trying to make is, this

42:31

is such a

42:33

laborious, clumsy, strained

42:37

way to get two

42:39

people to get close to each other

42:41

for 30 days and fall

42:44

in love. It

42:46

literally is... It

42:49

couldn't be more contrived.

42:55

It is the most contrived way to force two

42:57

people that wouldn't have been around each other to

42:59

be around each other. Of course we know where

43:01

the movie is going after that. There

43:07

is some fun in

43:10

it. There are

43:12

some goofy... Some

43:14

things he tries to do. Some

43:17

interactions with other people that are kind of

43:19

funny and fun. Overall,

43:21

this movie is a total failure. It

43:24

bums me out because there are a whole lot of people in it that

43:26

I like. As I mentioned at the top, a

43:29

fan of Jake Johnson wants this dude to be

43:31

a bigger star. I love that he's making projects

43:33

for himself to star in. This

43:36

just felt really dumb

43:39

and ineffective. There

43:44

are some twists at the end that you can see

43:46

coming a mile away. It

43:49

is not well executed in my opinion. Hard

43:53

for me to recommend Self-Reliance to anybody.

44:00

It's kind of nothing. So that's why I have

44:02

not seen it go back and watch new girl

44:04

everybody. He's great new girl He's great. He's great

44:06

watch that one episode of The

44:10

what's the McCall video game show video game show. What is that

44:12

called? Good question. Yeah,

44:15

watch that. I don't know what you guys talk

44:17

about the video game show from the it's always

44:19

sunny people. Oh Mythic

44:22

quest mythic class. He's really good in that

44:25

New girl with Prince is always a fun one to see

44:28

because I know how much you love Prince Jeff. Yeah, great

44:30

song in that Yep. All right,

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45:28

folks. I had a chance to see dicks

45:30

the movie. This is screaming right now

45:32

on Max

45:34

the one to watch for HBO. This is an a 24

45:36

film Have

45:39

you guys heard about this movie? Yes, I've

45:41

been meaning to watch it forever or dicks the

45:43

musical. I apologize the musical Had

45:45

a pretty great trailer. So I was like really down with it I'm

45:49

gonna say you know This

45:51

is one that I wouldn't recommend that

45:53

our listener phy the one who

45:55

wrote it to slash from court recommend this friend Okay

45:59

the movie The movie is based off of

46:01

an off-Broadway musical called Fucking Identical

46:03

Twins, is the name of

46:06

the musical. And

46:08

I guess they didn't want to have that be the name

46:11

of the movie, so they could be really read multiple ways

46:13

too. They really can. Yeah, I'm trying to stuff it out

46:15

right now. All of which would be accurate, by the way.

46:18

So anyway, Dick's the musical.

46:23

I can't even really describe the plot of

46:25

this thing, except to say that it is

46:28

completely deranged. Unhinged

46:31

and deranged is how I would describe it.

46:35

It is sometimes

46:37

very, very funny, sometimes

46:39

very, very bad, always

46:42

random and weird, and

46:46

definitely an original work. So I

46:49

cannot recommend this to anyone, but

46:52

I also had a decently good time watching

46:54

this movie. I

46:56

would say definitely do not watch

46:58

this movie unless you are really

47:00

into musicals. It's

47:03

right in the title. It's not hiding it. It's

47:05

by the director of Borat, Larry Charles. And

47:09

it's kind of written like Book of

47:12

Mormon, where you clearly know that the

47:14

person who made this loves

47:16

musicals, knows the form, and

47:19

is parodying the form in

47:21

some ways. But

47:24

yeah, there's just really

47:27

random stuff happens throughout the whole thing.

47:32

I wanted to compare this to

47:34

Barb and Star, which is a movie I

47:36

know you guys really liked, but it is

47:38

way more random than that, I think. It's

47:40

way more out there and unhinged than that

47:42

movie. Is it funny? I

47:45

thought it was funny at times. There

47:47

were some sequences that I thought were really

47:49

hilarious, and then some that I felt

47:52

really dragged on. They

47:56

have these extended bits that go on for

47:58

a while. Some

48:01

of them are some of them hit some of

48:03

them don't but I thought the music is really

48:05

enjoyable like the songs are Are

48:08

really enjoyable, you know it's like let's

48:10

take a classic Broadway song and make

48:12

it upsetting or make it weird or make it

48:15

random and I think like they Succeeded

48:17

that so I had a good time. I do

48:20

not think I can recommend this movie to anyone though So

48:22

but I wanted to mention it because it's an

48:25

a 24 film and it is now streaming on

48:27

max the once watch for HBO It's dicks the

48:30

musical All

48:32

right, the big girl hit us up with something you watching Sure

48:34

I want to talk about out of darkness which

48:36

is movie in theaters now and this is a

48:38

2022 British

48:40

horror thriller that has a really great premise. I think

48:42

you guys will both like it. It's

48:44

a it's a prehistoric horror film it's

48:47

a film about a group of Prehistoric

48:50

humans who have reached a new world,

48:52

you know seeking food and shelter like

48:54

a better life They are

48:57

starving. They're in a new place where

48:59

they can't find food Everything seems a little weird

49:01

and then then something is in the dark picking

49:03

them off one by one and

49:06

that's essentially it that's the setup and This

49:09

is a debut feature by Andrew coming who's done

49:11

a bunch of TV work. I think it's a

49:13

really effective Survival horror

49:15

film. It's also shot entirely in

49:17

a made-up language to which is kind of cool

49:20

They made this language called Tola, which

49:22

is sort of a mix I believe of

49:24

like Basque and Arabic so you will hear

49:26

like sounds that sound similar to things you've

49:28

heard But it's entirely made-up language. The cast

49:30

really commits to it It feels like they're

49:32

saying words they actually know and actually have

49:34

meaning to it So I find that aspect

49:36

of it pretty cool It

49:38

also has something to say like talking about a

49:40

project, you know That that is trying to say

49:42

more than just be a typical flash or movie

49:45

or something I think it has something to

49:47

say about humanity and like our impulses and

49:49

our fears and how those drive us and

49:51

this is also Just a really well-made horror

49:54

thriller and I think people will enjoy it.

49:56

So it's in theaters now. It's called out

49:58

of darkness It was previously called the origin

50:00

in when it debuted in 2022. I think

50:03

it's really good. This is going to be one of those

50:06

like sleeper streaming hits, I think.

50:08

And it's in theaters though. So it's worth seeing

50:10

if you can. Yeah, that sounds

50:12

really intriguing. You guys will love this. Yeah. I'm looking forward

50:14

to looking forward to how did you watch it by the

50:16

way? Do you might have asked over here? It is in

50:18

theaters near me. I saw a screen or of it. Gotcha.

50:21

I got pitched to that this a long time

50:23

ago, but I did remember seeing their early reviews

50:25

on horror sites that really praised this movie too,

50:27

Dread Central, a whole bunch of folks really liked

50:29

it. So I think it's worth watching. Check it

50:31

out if you can. All right. Jeff

50:34

Kanata, why don't you take us home with a

50:36

final what we've been watching here? My

50:39

anime journey continues, boys. Yeah.

50:42

I'm doing it. Still

50:45

enjoying that crunchy roll subscription.

50:47

And I checked out

50:50

an anime that is, I believe what they

50:52

do is they call it simulcasting. They're actually,

50:55

it's premiering in Japan and

50:57

then they show it

50:59

on crunchy rolls shortly thereafter. Is that how that works,

51:02

David? Typically. Yeah.

51:04

So this is a show called Solo Leveling,

51:07

which if you

51:09

are someone that plays video games

51:11

and particularly role

51:13

playing video games, role playing games

51:15

or MMOs even more specifically, you

51:18

will know that term. Solo leveling means, hey, I

51:20

got on by myself and

51:22

I'm trying to level up my character.

51:25

And that's what this anime is about, basically.

51:27

This anime, the concept of

51:30

it is that we

51:32

live in modern times. The setting is in modern

51:34

times, but there

51:36

are gates and monsters in those

51:39

gates, dungeons, they call them, and

51:41

people delve into those dungeons and

51:45

go in and get loot. That is

51:47

valuable. I mean, it is very,

51:49

very much video game logic applied to

51:51

a fantasy world. And

51:53

the dungeons are tiered,

51:56

S tier, A tier, B tier, C

51:59

tier, D, E, D tier. And so

52:01

are people there are people who woke

52:03

up with crazy

52:06

magical powers But those

52:08

powers can be categorized and peered

52:11

and so there are s tier people

52:14

humans who are supreme badasses and can

52:17

do awesome stuff and they are the

52:19

only people that can tack s tier

52:21

or a tier dungeons and

52:24

and Then there are people all the

52:26

way down to e tier

52:28

which is our main character. I mean character

52:30

is Known

52:32

as the least powerful superhuman

52:37

on earth Many

52:39

shows the two right? Oh, we

52:42

the little emo boy who? He's

52:45

just trying real hard and he just wants to

52:47

be good at things, but he's he's the least

52:49

powerful one Well the twist that happens

52:51

in the second episode Is

52:55

that something crazy happens to him and he

52:57

starts to be able to level up? Nobody

52:59

else can if you are an s

53:01

tier if you are a d tier whatever

53:03

tier you are you're stuck in that tier

53:05

you can never transcend your ranking

53:08

except this kid can all of

53:10

a sudden and It

53:13

literally becomes his life is has

53:15

video game logic like he Does

53:18

say like he literally sees a screen that

53:20

only he can see and that

53:23

screen Asks him to do quests

53:25

like a hundred push-ups or a hundred setups

53:28

and as he does them he gets rewards

53:31

and he'll get skill points strength

53:35

Vitality agility intelligence and he

53:37

decides where those go where

53:40

he wants to apply those points and

53:42

they actually affect his real body This

53:45

would change working out. You know if you could

53:47

write if you do so guaranteed you do 100

53:50

push-ups you get a point Yeah, you can put

53:52

that point strength or intelligence wherever you want to

53:54

put it. That's um so it

53:57

I would only recommend this the

53:59

show solo level If you are a fan

54:01

of video games, but as a fan of video games

54:04

It's pretty fun because it's it imagines.

54:06

What if? the

54:09

most You know

54:11

the most conventional video game tropes Applied

54:14

in real life. What would that

54:16

be like and It's

54:19

kind of fun. I will say the animation is

54:21

stellar the the fighting

54:23

the combat sequences the action in

54:25

this show are Awesome.

54:27

It is very violent. It is very bloody,

54:30

but it is very fun When

54:32

when the action breaks out it is always

54:34

really well done. I think and

54:36

I mean it really Adopts

54:41

all of the things that you expect from an

54:43

MMO if you are if you play World of

54:45

Warcraft or any other MMO I mean literally it

54:47

talks about people like it

54:49

talks about them as they are tanks or

54:51

healers or DPS It's you

54:53

know it talks about an inventory

54:56

system. I mean it really is Let's

54:59

just do a love letter to video games and

55:02

If you are inclined to enjoy something like

55:04

that, I think you'll have a lot of

55:06

fun with solo leveling. I certainly am

55:08

it's There are

55:10

only six episodes on Crunchyroll now. I believe

55:12

there are going to be 12 episodes total

55:15

with season one I have watched all of

55:17

them so far and Devendra. Maybe you can help me out

55:19

with this because it It

55:21

was surprising to me I You

55:24

may judge me, but I

55:27

would never watch a live-action Show

55:30

in another language not

55:32

in its native language Animation

55:34

I have a completely different opinion about I

55:36

will watch dubbed animation because I feel

55:38

like it's dubbed anyway like either way It's

55:41

dubbed. Oh, Jeff. Oh, Jeff. I Judge

55:44

me, but I enjoy the English dubs, especially

55:46

if they're well done They've

55:49

gotten so much better. They're so much better than

55:51

they used to be I watch especially like for

55:53

the Mainly like the Miyazaki

55:55

stuff the English subs are all really good because I have

55:57

to watch with my kids that way But like you gotta

56:00

just try the subs because the thing

56:02

about voice acting in Japan is that

56:04

it is I think it

56:07

has been an art form for a long time whereas

56:09

I think in America it's great like there are people

56:11

who are really good at it but it has never

56:13

been championed in the way you know I don't think

56:16

it's ever been like heralded

56:18

as much as it is in Japan and

56:20

throughout anime so it is worth

56:22

watching a lot of these shows especially if I recommend classic

56:24

stuff to you I'm glad

56:26

you're I'm glad you're liking the show I

56:28

love this journey for you Jeff I

56:30

have to say though the show you need to

56:32

watch which was practically made for you is

56:35

my hero academia okay which is the

56:37

one that kind of twists a lot

56:39

of superhero tropes all on each other

56:41

also about kid who had nothing yeah

56:44

all of a sudden gets a lot of

56:46

something yeah and how that works is is

56:48

really interesting but also it's a great narrative

56:50

lots twists great character design so as a

56:53

superhero fan you'd like that nothing I watch

56:55

cowboy bebop that is the thing

56:57

I have no to the list adding those

56:59

to the list yeah hero academia and cowboy

57:02

bebop but the reason I bring this up

57:04

this the whole dubbing issue is that the

57:06

first four episodes of solo leveling

57:08

on crunchyroll have English dubs and the

57:10

last two do not they only have

57:12

subtitles so I have watched the show

57:15

both ways and you know

57:17

I don't mind the subtitles

57:19

I just I don't know for

57:21

animation I I think by

57:23

the way I will say the English

57:26

dub of solo leveling is really

57:28

well done that's very very well

57:30

done we used to accept scraps

57:33

yeah yeah so I think

57:35

the moderns to the new stuff and especially because they have

57:37

a market here for it

57:39

you know with crunchyroll and other outlets

57:41

and especially you know the stuff on

57:43

Netflix is also really well done

57:45

the English are really well done yeah go

57:47

ahead Jeff go ahead I was gonna say

57:49

I was gonna say that when we

57:52

were growing up like most dubs were terrible right

57:54

right Netflix I think has

57:56

really led the way in terms of committing

58:00

assume are millions and millions of dollars to

58:03

Making high quality dubs in lots of different languages

58:05

for most of their original shows. That's true I

58:07

think the anime industry as a whole like when

58:10

it comes to English Has it

58:12

has made huge strides in the last 10 years

58:15

alone because crunchyroll exists And you know a lot

58:17

of these companies have been around and have blown

58:19

up blown up quite a bit So yeah, whatever

58:21

they were in the 90s. Yeah, so basically in

58:23

earlier David Chen would say like never watch the

58:26

dub And like I've really softened on that in

58:28

recent years So

58:30

yeah, I I also

58:32

think it's kind of odd. I wonder if they're just

58:35

behind on the dubbing Why would those two

58:37

episodes not have? I

58:39

mean if they're doing a simulcast like this stuff must

58:41

be coming in super hot You know like they'd be doing

58:44

it like bastards of four at a time or something

58:46

If you're into dubs though, you got to watch

58:49

cowboy bebop Jeff because that is the

58:51

best of Honestly any

58:53

anything I've ever heard like the

58:55

best Dubbing of something that

58:57

was originally made for foreign language. It is

58:59

incredible And you'll also hear those voices in

59:01

a lot of dubs now So those

59:03

people keep getting work because they're so good. They

59:06

just sound amazing. Yeah I have also

59:08

want to say I've really been enjoying folks reaching

59:10

out and recommending Anime to

59:13

me as I'm sort of starting this

59:15

journey. I appreciate DaVinci doing so as well, but

59:17

please keep those emails and Social

59:20

media posts coming because I I

59:22

enjoy it. I'm sure Hollywood is also

59:24

looking like well We use the comics.

59:26

What are we doing now? We're doing movies and I

59:29

guess we're gonna do more anime and they're gonna get

59:31

ideas from somewhere Yeah, solo leveling

59:33

on Crunchyroll. It's what Jeff Kanata has been

59:35

watching this week. All right,

59:37

let's get to some weekly plugs Weekly

59:46

plugs the part of show each week where we plug

59:48

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59:55

night I wrote about five weird advertising trends

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from the Super Bowl Watch all the

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ads from the Super Bowl and

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wrote about some trends that I noticed. Here's one

1:00:05

that's a little weird, I think. Uh,

1:00:08

you know, Jeff, I think you might actually like this one. Uh,

1:00:11

movie trailers during the Super Bowl, they

1:00:13

now have homework. I don't

1:00:15

know if you noticed that. Yeah. Yeah. Watch the full

1:00:18

trailer here. I'm

1:00:21

old enough to remember when a movie studio has

1:00:23

a decency to buy an entire 60

1:00:25

second spot during the Super Bowl. Yeah. Now they buy like

1:00:27

a 15 second spot. And

1:00:31

then at the end, it's like, watch the whole trailer

1:00:33

online. I'm like, what's, what, what was the

1:00:36

point of that? Exactly. It's kind of a genius. Like you're

1:00:38

there, you're there with your phone. Yeah. It's an ad for

1:00:40

an ad and, and you know, maybe they know they're going

1:00:42

to get that earned media online anyway. So, yeah. They don't

1:00:44

have a religious organization money.

1:00:47

You know, they can't buy those two minute

1:00:49

ads at the Super Bowl. By the way,

1:00:52

I posted about this on social media. If

1:00:54

you, if, if religious

1:00:56

organizations, this many of them

1:00:59

can afford this many ads on

1:01:01

the Super Bowl, maybe they

1:01:04

could pay taxes. I would think

1:01:06

so. Let's pay them. That'd be great. Have them

1:01:08

pay taxes now, please. I don't know, Jeff. I

1:01:10

definitely think spending $20 million on those ads is

1:01:12

what Jesus would have wanted, is what I would

1:01:14

say. So, you know, uh,

1:01:16

agree to disagree. It really is the best

1:01:18

use of that money for the underprivileged. That's

1:01:20

how it goes. That's how it goes. I

1:01:23

can't think of any other use of

1:01:25

$20 million to help

1:01:27

people other than buying a bunch of ads

1:01:29

for your shadowy right wing

1:01:32

organization. Make them pay taxes! Make them

1:01:34

pay taxes. Dave, did you talk about

1:01:36

the starry ads being a little uncomfortable?

1:01:39

No, I did. The starry ads with Ice

1:01:41

Spice, which are kind of everywhere now. I

1:01:43

love Ice Spice. She's a great artist, but

1:01:45

also they're weird

1:01:47

and like weirdly erotic. Have

1:01:51

you noticed that? They are the

1:01:53

voices. She's like talking to you with the camera

1:01:55

and then the camera as starry is talking

1:01:57

back and it's like deep voice, like deep

1:01:59

almost. Pornography voice and then she looks over and

1:02:01

sees her exploits languages fight, you know

1:02:04

or or other line so death It was super weird.

1:02:06

There's a lot I'm getting Paula Abdul and the cat

1:02:08

music video Am

1:02:11

I supposed to feel like she wants that

1:02:13

animated cat I don't know what's happening

1:02:15

Yeah, it'd be uncomfortable big night though big

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night for former parks and rec cast

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members. Absolutely. Absolutely and Jeff Goldblum as well

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get to our review of Lisa Frankenstein Are

1:04:00

you hot burning? Lisa!

1:04:04

Does he have more of a basketball board

1:04:06

or a football board? He does a play

1:04:08

sport. I

1:04:11

tend to just graze. I talk

1:04:13

to him. I always try to space

1:04:15

you. That's

1:04:18

really weird, Lisa. Welcome

1:04:26

to the Filmcast's Review of

1:04:29

Lisa Frankenstein. Joining us for this

1:04:31

review, she is a

1:04:33

writer, podcaster at slashfilm.com. She's also the

1:04:35

host of the podcast This Ends at

1:04:37

Prom. BJ Colangelo, welcome

1:04:39

back to the show. Hi, hi, hi.

1:04:43

So great to have you here, BJ.

1:04:45

Lisa Frankenstein, the latest film written by

1:04:48

Diablo Cody, directed by Zelda Williams. I'm

1:04:50

going to read the plot summary from

1:04:52

the internet. Quote, a misunderstood teenager and

1:04:55

a reanimated Victorian corpse embark

1:04:57

on a murderous journey together to find

1:04:59

love, happiness, and a few

1:05:01

missing body parts. This feels like

1:05:04

it's right in BJ's wheelhouse. This

1:05:06

is a sit-in-the-tron, perfect, right? Built

1:05:09

in a lab for me. Or

1:05:12

a canning bed, whatever the case may be.

1:05:17

Alright, so BJ Colangelo,

1:05:19

why don't you walk us through your

1:05:21

overall reaction to Lisa Frankenstein? Oh,

1:05:23

this is a movie that I have been dying

1:05:26

to see ever since it was first

1:05:28

announced. But I'm

1:05:31

so thrilled that I love this movie. Really,

1:05:34

it hits all those sweet thoughts for me.

1:05:36

It's a coming-of-age movie. It's

1:05:38

got a weirdo-goth-girl protagonist. It's got Diablo

1:05:41

Cody, Peen Speak. It's a horror

1:05:43

comedy. It's got 80s pastiche. It's

1:05:46

very vibrant to look at. It's

1:05:49

everything that is going to

1:05:51

make me happy. So

1:05:54

BJ's a big fan of this movie. I've got to say, Diablo Cody, I would say, is... She

1:06:01

has made a bunch or she has written a bunch

1:06:03

of movies from my

1:06:05

perception that have

1:06:08

been underrated when they've been

1:06:10

released. And then people will look back on

1:06:12

and then say, boy, that movie was awesome.

1:06:14

Or we just don't talk about them again

1:06:16

like Tully and Young Adult, which I think

1:06:18

are incredible. Tully is so brilliant. Tully

1:06:21

is so good. Tully, amazing. Yeah, that's a...

1:06:24

I completely forgot about that movie, but that was a problem.

1:06:27

Young Adult is great. Young Adult

1:06:29

is good. Young Adult, we reviewed that movie

1:06:31

on the film cast. That movie is amazing,

1:06:33

right? I think we reviewed Tully as well.

1:06:35

I think we did too. I thought we

1:06:37

reviewed it. So, yeah, Tully

1:06:39

as well. And yeah, great films

1:06:42

and that haven't done well

1:06:44

at the box office. Unfortunately, Lisa Frankenstein

1:06:46

is going to add to that

1:06:48

list of movies not doing well at the box office.

1:06:50

Historically, bad box office this weekend, by the way. One

1:06:53

of the worst that we've had in the last few years. Very

1:06:56

few movies making money right now. So,

1:06:58

yeah, here's the question for Divin Your

1:07:00

Hardware. Is this a movie that right out the

1:07:02

gate you

1:07:04

love or do you think maybe you're going to revisit it

1:07:06

later and enjoy it more or none of the above? What

1:07:08

do you think? I will say On

1:07:11

Paper, just like E.B.J. This is a movie that

1:07:13

felt like it was being sold to be. Like,

1:07:15

I love Diablo Cody's stuff. I feel like she

1:07:18

is one of those people where people just like hear

1:07:20

the name and get annoyed about like the things they

1:07:22

disliked about Juno at some point. And I love Juno.

1:07:24

Juno's a great movie. Shut up. I

1:07:27

think Diablo Cody is great. Even

1:07:30

like we don't talk about Ricky in the Flash. Ricky

1:07:32

in the Flash, great movie. So

1:07:35

I like her and I felt like she was also

1:07:37

maturing as a writer. Like, Tully is such a devastating

1:07:39

film. I saw that with

1:07:41

a whole bunch of friends. And

1:07:43

everybody in that theater was just kind

1:07:45

of like laid out by the end

1:07:47

of it. I love, I love Catherine

1:07:49

Newton. Kind of love everybody involved here

1:07:51

too. I love 80s music. I love

1:07:53

80s pastiche. I

1:07:56

think this is a really great concept for a

1:07:58

film. But I don't know why. what

1:08:00

it is, it feels like the

1:08:02

editing is off or something. It feels like

1:08:05

it has a lot of great elements. I

1:08:07

think the script has some great lines that

1:08:10

we will all mention some in spoilers. And

1:08:12

it just feels like the movie is not

1:08:14

built around really highlighting some of those scenes.

1:08:16

So the comedy feels weirdly too long. Like

1:08:19

it's not as snappy as you'd expect. Like

1:08:21

there's a lot of things that just don't

1:08:23

kind of congeal properly for me. And

1:08:27

that's kind of the thing. So I feel like I want to

1:08:29

love this movie. There are many things I

1:08:31

do like about it. It's Cole Sprouse being

1:08:33

this weird Frankenstein like monster. I

1:08:35

think it's kind of funny. Like he has a

1:08:38

great physicality to him. Some of the actors, Karla

1:08:40

Gugino, kind of going all in as like evil

1:08:42

stepmother, I think is a lot of fun. I

1:08:45

thought this movie was rough at the beginning, but

1:08:47

it really warmed on me as I was watching

1:08:49

it. And by the end, I just wish it

1:08:51

was tighter. I wish like they hit those comedic

1:08:53

beats tighter. I wish like some scenes were framed

1:08:55

better because it also feels like it

1:08:58

feels kind of lazy at times in terms

1:09:00

of how it's shot and how certain scenes

1:09:02

are structured. It just feels like there's more

1:09:04

meat on the bone here, as you'd say.

1:09:06

And I feel like the movie doesn't fully take advantage

1:09:09

of what the script is offering, what the cast is

1:09:11

offering. So you know, I did like

1:09:13

watching it. I don't know if this will be a movie

1:09:15

I'll be revisiting, although my wife may be into it. So

1:09:17

I may see it again, then. Jeff,

1:09:20

I was gonna piggyback a little bit

1:09:22

off of what Devinger said about editing, if that doesn't

1:09:24

step on anything that you're going to go into. Okay,

1:09:28

or I can wait for you. Or

1:09:30

I can wait for you. Jeff Kanata, hit us up

1:09:32

with your thoughts on Lisa Frankenstein.

1:09:35

Well, Dave, my thoughts on Lisa

1:09:37

Frankenstein are best summed up in

1:09:39

the form of

1:09:41

a limerick. All right, let's hear it, Jeff. The

1:09:46

campy enjoyment declines with

1:09:49

slowly delivered punchlines. Pick

1:09:52

up the pace and maybe

1:09:54

replace one of history's

1:09:56

most dull Frankenstein's. Mmm. Mmm.

1:10:00

It's getting saved. It's

1:10:02

right in the... Jeff, I checked with you.

1:10:04

Right there. I don't want to step all

1:10:07

over what Jeff's about to say. I agree

1:10:09

100% with every single thing

1:10:11

that Devinder said. Literally every single thing.

1:10:13

I am in lockstep. I

1:10:15

think this movie had much more potential

1:10:17

than it's realized. And I

1:10:20

think it's not Diablo Cody's fault. It's

1:10:22

Zelda Williams' fault, unfortunately.

1:10:26

This is a directorial failure,

1:10:28

in my opinion. I don't mean to come down

1:10:30

too hard on a specific person, but I do

1:10:32

feel like it is not

1:10:35

snappy. This is something I

1:10:37

talk about a lot when we talk about comedies. Film

1:10:41

comedies rely on editing

1:10:44

the joke. Editing to the

1:10:46

joke. And knowing how

1:10:49

to pick up cues. Cut just

1:10:51

a second here, or half

1:10:53

of a second there on an edit,

1:10:56

can be all the difference in having

1:10:58

a joke land or not land. And

1:11:00

we just linger and linger. And I

1:11:03

think the direction of the

1:11:05

actors is at fault too, because

1:11:07

everybody is... We

1:11:10

just pick up the cues. Faster every line,

1:11:13

double the pace of the delivery of every

1:11:15

line, is specifically in the first half of

1:11:17

this movie. I do agree with

1:11:19

Devendra. I think the second half, and particularly

1:11:21

the third act of this movie, is

1:11:24

where the most fun is had. And

1:11:26

we get into some real goofy

1:11:29

fun. I mean, this movie is... It

1:11:32

wants to be Edward Scissorhands. It wants to be...

1:11:35

I mean, it is channeling

1:11:38

Tim Burton in a lot of ways.

1:11:40

And it really is... Wants to be

1:11:42

a big, campy, goofy, fun time. And

1:11:45

it almost gets there. It basically

1:11:47

gets there by the end. But it takes

1:11:49

so long to get there, that I was

1:11:51

just already frustrated

1:11:53

with how... Like, move, move,

1:11:56

movie, please. I

1:11:58

do think there is one particular gap. at

1:12:00

the end that feels to me like the

1:12:03

entire motivation for the script

1:12:05

like it I

1:12:07

feel like Yabakodi had an idea for one

1:12:09

thing and it motivated writing the entire movie

1:12:11

yeah and it's worth it right funny idea

1:12:14

but man it takes so long

1:12:18

to get there and particularly the first

1:12:21

act is just in molasses it feels

1:12:23

to me and if it literally everybody

1:12:26

was at double the pace and all

1:12:28

the editing was trimmed this movie could

1:12:30

have been really funny yeah unfortunately it

1:12:32

just languishes inside its

1:12:35

own look the slow pace there's one

1:12:37

line I could call out outside of

1:12:39

spoilers at one point Carla Gajina is

1:12:41

like you can eat off of my

1:12:43

carpet and it's an

1:12:45

off-handed line in the background and

1:12:48

it's just like she's giving you

1:12:50

gold this

1:12:52

is funny do you

1:12:54

see this is funny movie? just

1:12:56

like off-handed character in the background it's like

1:12:59

ah I could have we could have had so much

1:13:01

more yeah yeah the movie is like in this emo

1:13:03

place for the first third and it's just so

1:13:05

it feels so slow to me and I it bums

1:13:08

me out because I do think you hear the jokes

1:13:11

in the in the script like you're talking about

1:13:13

dimension here the jokes and they're good and you

1:13:15

go the movie just didn't it didn't

1:13:18

yeah highlight that it didn't it didn't

1:13:20

make those the execution is where those

1:13:22

fail I feel the same way this

1:13:24

is this is a case of a film

1:13:26

where all the right ingredients

1:13:28

are there right I thought the

1:13:30

script is solid the

1:13:32

movie looks pretty good the cast is great and

1:13:36

it's really weird to experience a

1:13:38

movie that I feel like died in the

1:13:41

edit like it's very rare where I

1:13:43

feel like I watch a movie it's like oh this

1:13:45

one aspect is what's wrong with the

1:13:47

movie like the set dressing is

1:13:49

the thing that ruined the movie you know like

1:13:51

but I feel that way about this movie in

1:13:53

the edit and also to some degree as Devinger

1:13:56

hinted at the shot composition a

1:13:58

lot of the shots are take place

1:14:00

in a two shot. That is to say like

1:14:02

you see both characters in frame. That gives

1:14:04

you fewer options for cutting, right? Um, comedy

1:14:07

is often made in time. There's a reason when you watch

1:14:09

like a Jedi Pata movie

1:14:11

and at the end you see like all the

1:14:13

bloopers of all the lines that they didn't use

1:14:15

in the movie or whatever. Um, and it's like,

1:14:17

it's a, it's shot reverse shot. They're cutting back

1:14:19

and forth and they're just using like the best

1:14:21

takes. Um, a lot of this movie

1:14:23

takes place in two shot where you see two characters together

1:14:25

on screen and that is deathly

1:14:28

to the movies. It can work. That

1:14:30

can work. That can work. If you

1:14:32

direct the actors. Exactly. Correct. Correct. There's

1:14:34

nothing, you're right. There's nothing inherently wrong

1:14:36

with the two shot. Let me make

1:14:38

that clear. Um, but the way

1:14:41

that the actors performances are

1:14:43

delivered, it doesn't support what the, the,

1:14:46

you know, sort of the directoral choices that

1:14:48

were made with that old, uh, that old

1:14:50

Babylon trope, you know, faster is funnier. Faster

1:14:53

is funnier. Okay. I

1:14:55

was like, I'll push back on this

1:14:57

though, because the thing that people keep

1:14:59

bringing up and I see it obviously

1:15:01

is the Tim Burton, you know, elements

1:15:03

and all of those inspirations, but the

1:15:05

sense of humor that this film has

1:15:07

is so much more in line with

1:15:10

80 sex comedies, but specifically 80 sex

1:15:12

comedies that we don't talk about. So

1:15:14

films like pretty smart with Patricia Arquette

1:15:16

where there is just a random for

1:15:18

no reason musical number of them, like

1:15:20

gallivanting around Europe. And it's like, why

1:15:22

is this here? We don't know. Don't

1:15:24

question it. There is so much of that sense of

1:15:27

humor in here. I also look to like better off

1:15:29

dead, uh, with John Cusack,

1:15:31

like characters, don't feel like they're in

1:15:33

the same movie. A lot of the

1:15:35

lines end up lingering a little bit

1:15:37

too long. And that humor like

1:15:39

really resonated with me once I realized

1:15:41

watching this movie, Oh, it's

1:15:44

this sort of eighties comedy, like a

1:15:46

literal actual eighties comedy, not a comedy

1:15:48

that happens to be set in the

1:15:50

eighties that I could like rewire my

1:15:52

brain. And it's like, all right, cool.

1:15:54

Now this editing makes total sense to me.

1:15:56

And if this is what she's going for, she's

1:15:58

accomplishing it. Yeah, that's a

1:16:00

fair point. I did have that sense

1:16:02

that the film making was trying to

1:16:05

channel a bygone era I did have

1:16:07

a light sense. I just don't think

1:16:09

it's I don't think that is a

1:16:12

Successful choice if

1:16:14

that was a choice then that it just

1:16:16

that didn't work for me like I did Yeah, and

1:16:18

I think that's totally fair like it can not

1:16:20

work for you But also

1:16:22

she clearly achieved what she set

1:16:24

out to do and it's just gonna be

1:16:26

a matter of whether or not That is

1:16:28

a brand of comedy that you're still gonna

1:16:30

like click with because even in the 80s that

1:16:33

brand of comedy did not click with Yeah,

1:16:38

did you get any like John Waters vibes from

1:16:40

it? Oh, yeah Friend of

1:16:42

mine and I were talking about this movie and we

1:16:44

said this is what happens When you grow

1:16:47

up watching John Waters movies and then try

1:16:49

to make a John Hughes movie, which

1:16:51

is every script I've ever written Right

1:16:55

in my wheelhouse Yeah, yeah Anyway,

1:16:59

are there any other thoughts we have before we get

1:17:01

the spoilers cuz there's a few things that happen in

1:17:03

this movie that might Be worth mentioning I think like

1:17:06

some things I want to point out like we're bringing

1:17:08

up Tim Burton and there are just there's Edward Scissorhand

1:17:10

vibes here, but there's also Beetlejuice

1:17:12

vibes when it comes to the

1:17:14

main character I think the other thing

1:17:16

that kind of kills this movie for me is that it doesn't feel

1:17:19

believable in certain respects like um

1:17:22

Maybe this is just because Catherine Newton is beautiful

1:17:24

I think endlessly charming, but I'm like ah I

1:17:29

There's nothing about her other than the fact

1:17:31

that her mother was murdered viciously and people

1:17:33

make fun of it But there's nothing about

1:17:36

her that screams outcast

1:17:38

like it feels like there's a lot of Telling

1:17:41

and not showing. Yeah with

1:17:43

regard because It was so bizarre

1:17:45

because a lot of characters say wow This is the

1:17:47

most I've heard you speak in them in like three

1:17:49

months and it's like she's been speaking So

1:17:52

it's weird that they they don't there's

1:17:54

not some montage to show you like

1:17:56

at the beginning how she doesn't speak

1:17:58

beat We never see Lydia in

1:18:01

school, right? But you look at her, you're

1:18:03

like, oh, that girl's an outcast. Oh,

1:18:05

that girl is not fitting in with the rest

1:18:07

of everything. Yeah. BJ, what did you think of

1:18:10

Katherine Newton's performance as an outcast in this movie,

1:18:12

which I agree with Devindra, I also did not

1:18:14

buy it all, unfortunately. Oh, I buy it

1:18:16

completely. I buy it completely. We see it

1:18:18

in the way that everybody around her is

1:18:20

acting and how she doesn't act anything like

1:18:22

them. You know, we get little

1:18:25

moments of her not knowing how to do her hair,

1:18:27

not knowing how to do her makeup, eating

1:18:30

thread, like very

1:18:33

weird things. But it's not the

1:18:35

thing that I like so much about

1:18:37

this character is that she's a weird

1:18:39

girl who's actually weird. She's not weird

1:18:42

by Googling what's the weirdest character in

1:18:44

a movie. Like she's just genuinely weird.

1:18:46

Her interests are weird. And they may

1:18:49

not be weird to us because we

1:18:51

are also weird people, but they are

1:18:53

weird to everyone around her. I

1:18:56

like it when she goes full desperately seeking

1:18:59

Susan. That's my

1:19:01

favorite part. And they

1:19:03

even imply in that like that it's a Halloween

1:19:05

costume. That's a weird trait for somebody.

1:19:07

Right. Yeah. No, I get that.

1:19:09

I you know, having kids

1:19:12

and friends with kids even older than

1:19:14

mine. I you

1:19:17

know, I see who gets bullied and who

1:19:19

who really has a hard time in school.

1:19:22

And it often has nothing to do with

1:19:24

their perceived, you

1:19:26

know, normalcy or attractiveness

1:19:29

or any of those things that you

1:19:31

might think this actress didn't bring to

1:19:33

the it really is kids are just

1:19:35

cruel. And I think like your mom

1:19:38

died from an axe murderer. We're

1:19:40

gonna be cruel to you like that. To

1:19:42

me, I had no, no qualms. Except people weren't

1:19:45

really cruel to her other than that one mean

1:19:47

girl like the girlfriend of the guy she's into.

1:19:49

But like there's no there's no like oppressive. Oh

1:19:51

my God. High school is a hellscape for this

1:19:53

girl. She's just like she's in she's insular. She's

1:19:55

clearly like dealing with a lot like I

1:19:58

just feel like more could have been conveyed. It

1:20:00

felt like there's the movie was missing like

1:20:02

two to three scenes kind of setting the

1:20:05

scene We're like, you know where

1:20:07

you can see how she operates normal We

1:20:10

get the party scene at the beginning but

1:20:12

like that's not a normal situation, you know

1:20:14

So I'm like, why the hell are you

1:20:16

here? Right? You know, there's no like visceral.

1:20:18

Yeah, this person out of this party vibe

1:20:20

It's weird. I don't think that that's who she's

1:20:22

supposed to be. I don't think this is like some

1:20:25

underdog story We're supposed to like champion. She's

1:20:27

not Carrie white, you know, like that's not

1:20:29

who this character is And I

1:20:31

like the fact that she's not this

1:20:33

like complete total outcast that she does

1:20:36

have people trying to kind of bring

1:20:38

her Into the fold because again that

1:20:40

is also an archetype that we don't

1:20:42

see very often We don't get the

1:20:45

girl who's just outside the margins not

1:20:47

because she's like this complete social outcast

1:20:49

But just because there's something a little

1:20:51

off about her. She's not, you know,

1:20:54

wholly invisible She's not invisible girl by

1:20:56

any means but she's also not

1:20:58

popular. She's just there.

1:21:01

She's just You know,

1:21:03

I think they refer at one point in the movie

1:21:05

to people as being like a not pictured. She's a

1:21:07

not pictured Yeah, she just

1:21:09

recedes into the background. Yeah. Yeah, she just

1:21:12

did this The actress who plays her sister

1:21:14

by the way fantastic. Yeah, what a

1:21:16

great character What fun and she's just

1:21:18

like really yeah the taffy character is

1:21:20

really another I think Kind

1:21:22

of original creation that you don't really

1:21:24

seen anymore that kind of like subverts

1:21:26

expectations about that trope is I think

1:21:29

it's very fun Liza

1:21:31

so barano, I believe is yeah

1:21:33

liza. So barano filipino superstar Yeah,

1:21:36

yeah, she's great And she's also interesting because

1:21:38

it you like she's like the most decent

1:21:40

human in the whole thing until she isn't

1:21:42

right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah All

1:21:45

right, folks, uh, why don't we do spoilers

1:21:47

for lisa frankenstein? So let's get the spoilers

1:21:49

for lisa frankenstein starting right now I

1:21:53

thought up an ending for my book. It

1:21:55

makes no damn sense. Tell me

1:21:57

though. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to

1:21:59

end I'm not gonna know what the hell was

1:22:01

with the last page first. I wanted to see that not

1:22:04

be worth finishing. I want to see it. You can't handle

1:22:06

it, Frodo. I'm the same of all that

1:22:08

came here to tell you how it's going to

1:22:10

begin. I

1:22:30

will say, question

1:22:33

for you, BJ Colangelo, how effectively

1:22:35

do you think this movie blends

1:22:37

the horror versus the comedy aspects?

1:22:40

This, to me, is a comedy that happens

1:22:42

to have elements of horror. There's not spookiness

1:22:45

in this movie. It's horror

1:22:48

in the sense that there's gothic elements to

1:22:50

it. To

1:22:52

me, this is a lot like a –

1:22:54

I don't want people to take this out of

1:22:56

context, but it feels to me like how Shaun

1:22:59

of the Dead is a comedy movie that happens

1:23:01

to be about zombies. This is a comedy movie

1:23:03

that happens to be about dismembering and sewing on

1:23:05

body parts. Yeah,

1:23:08

I think the movie's not particularly scary or it's

1:23:10

not trying to be scary. No. Some

1:23:12

of the kills are – the Carla Gugino

1:23:14

kill, I think, is pretty appropriately gruesome. I

1:23:18

thought she was awesome in this movie. It was great to see her in Fall

1:23:20

of the House of Usher. I enjoyed her as well. And

1:23:22

then seeing her in this playing

1:23:24

a somewhat similar character was a

1:23:26

blast. I

1:23:30

had a lot of questions about

1:23:32

the father because he's just like – he's

1:23:35

sitting there letting this woman just shit all over his door.

1:23:37

He's very much a typical – he looks like an 80s

1:23:39

sitcom dad. He's

1:23:44

like, put the glasses on like, nothing's going on here? Yeah,

1:23:46

in the paper. He's the 80s dad. He's Mike Wheeler's

1:23:48

dad on Stranger Things. And

1:23:50

then he also plays almost this exact

1:23:52

character but in a non-period piece of

1:23:54

assassination nation. Joe Cress was

1:23:56

– it's like somebody invented him specifically to

1:23:59

sip his ass. behind a newspaper and

1:24:01

go, that's nice, honey. Like, that's perfect.

1:24:04

But it's one of those things where it's also

1:24:07

the movie gives me weird vibes too, because people

1:24:09

don't feel real. Carla Gugino is so evil for

1:24:11

no reason, but so evil. My favorite line

1:24:14

in the whole movie, I rushed home and

1:24:16

told my wife this line, is

1:24:18

when Taffy is describing her on the

1:24:21

phone and we only hear her side

1:24:23

of the conversation and she describes her

1:24:25

manicure, things that would not help anyone

1:24:27

find anyone. And she goes, and she

1:24:29

wears Elizabeth Taylor white

1:24:32

diamonds perfume. Yes,

1:24:35

yes, she's a bitch. It's

1:24:38

the funniest line in the whole movie

1:24:40

in my opinion. I

1:24:42

love Carla Gugino's, like her performance in

1:24:44

this. I had a friend who was like, I

1:24:46

don't understand this character. And I said, okay, well,

1:24:48

I need you to take one second. I need

1:24:50

you to think of every mom in Better Off

1:24:52

Dead. I need you to think of every woman

1:24:54

in Edward Scissorhands. And I need you to think

1:24:56

of Shelley Long and true Beverly Hills. Carla

1:24:59

Gugino was in as a child and

1:25:01

now everything's gonna make sense for you. It's

1:25:04

totally, it totally clicks. The other

1:25:06

thing, you brought up Shaun of the Dead and I was thinking of like

1:25:08

comparison to this movie. And the thing about Shaun of the Dead is that

1:25:11

movie is so tight. It is so

1:25:13

tight about everything, about how every joke lands, about

1:25:15

how the messaging at all fits in. And

1:25:18

I kept thinking like, man, I wish I was

1:25:20

having that here. I wish I had, or even

1:25:22

like the Wayne's World experience, which is a movie

1:25:24

that is not as much about tight jokes, but

1:25:26

is edited in such a way that really makes

1:25:28

everything move and land. I just

1:25:30

kept feeling like, ah, there's a better movie here. There's

1:25:32

a better movie here somewhere. Edgar

1:25:34

Wright's philosophy, this is not,

1:25:37

he didn't invent this, but it's just the philosophy he adheres to

1:25:39

is, you wanna get into

1:25:41

a scene late and leave early. You

1:25:44

feel that energy in his movies. Don't

1:25:46

know if you really feel it in this movie,

1:25:48

but again, as BJ pointed out, maybe that's not

1:25:50

what this movie's trying to go after. Like some

1:25:53

of those 80s movies were really

1:25:55

shaggy, right? And that's maybe what this

1:25:58

movie is. imitating

1:26:01

Okay, let's talk briefly about the end of this movie. I Think

1:26:05

a guy gets his penis hacked off There's

1:26:16

a lot of blood being shoved into one

1:26:18

location you chop that you're gonna bleed out

1:26:20

It's got a great war Show

1:26:24

the work Well,

1:26:26

this is not it's been on your grave So I don't know if

1:26:28

we can get away with that in a PG 13 movie But

1:26:31

what they do get away with in this movie is

1:26:33

pretty sexuality and PG 13 very very impressive

1:26:36

Anything with the Hitachi magic wand his miracle.

1:26:39

I was going like a cartoon

1:26:41

witch in the theater about it. Well

1:26:44

the idea that she gets to Have

1:26:47

sex with her crushes

1:26:49

penis You

1:26:51

know, she actually makes that happen, right?

1:26:53

Yeah penis that you wanted visual. I'm

1:26:56

much nicer person. Yeah. Yeah, I Mean

1:26:59

were they really not nice though? It seemed like I

1:27:02

guess her sister knew that she liked that guy, right?

1:27:04

Yeah, that was bad but Here's

1:27:08

a question is like do we

1:27:10

feel like The

1:27:13

only person I felt a little bit bad for was

1:27:15

a sister at the end I felt like yeah for

1:27:18

life is ruined. Her life is really she really didn't

1:27:20

the maybe her sister was a little bit inconsiderate about

1:27:22

her, you know Lisa's

1:27:25

romantic interests, but that does

1:27:27

not Though the punishment did

1:27:29

not fit the crime there, you know, I'm saying I mean

1:27:31

Lisa killed her mother and It

1:27:39

could have been funnier Yeah You

1:27:42

know, there are movies that make me

1:27:44

root for horrible things that that our

1:27:47

main characters do I I

1:27:50

was having fun by the end but I

1:27:52

at no point Thought

1:27:54

that Lisa Was doing

1:27:56

the right thing, right? to

1:28:00

do is kill more people, you know? Yeah,

1:28:02

I think that's right. But yeah,

1:28:05

BJ, I guess I'm curious if you have any

1:28:07

thoughts on the moral order of

1:28:09

this film, Lisa Frankenstein. Oh, so

1:28:11

for me, I feel like it's foolish

1:28:13

to look towards this movie for any

1:28:15

sense of morality, because Lisa's an unreliable

1:28:17

narrator. She's not a good person. Like

1:28:19

we we establish that pretty, pretty

1:28:22

easily in the beginning. And so by the

1:28:24

time we do have this big moment with

1:28:26

Michael and Taffy, you know, she does get

1:28:28

a nice message with Taffy or it's like,

1:28:30

you know what, you were really nice to

1:28:32

me. And you saw me when no one

1:28:34

else did. And I appreciate

1:28:36

that. But I gotta go do this

1:28:38

because you're never more selfish than when you're an 18

1:28:40

year old. And

1:28:43

so I like that the movie leaned

1:28:45

into that of like, we're not trying

1:28:47

to make Lisa out to be some

1:28:49

hero here. She's clearly in the wrong.

1:28:52

But that's fine. We're gonna hold on

1:28:54

to it with both hands she's wrong.

1:28:56

The hardest thing for me to swallow at the

1:28:58

end of the movie was her

1:29:01

certainty that she would

1:29:03

be able to be brought back to life.

1:29:06

Because the invincibility of being a teenager. No,

1:29:09

I get that. But I feel like the movie didn't, for

1:29:12

whatever rules the movie is establishing for

1:29:14

the supernatural stuff. It felt to me

1:29:16

like the the initial

1:29:18

bringing back to life of our

1:29:20

Frankenstein character, or the

1:29:22

monster, I should say, is is

1:29:25

a twist of fate is a court is

1:29:27

lightning strikes, a wish happened, it doesn't feel

1:29:29

like it was tied to anything

1:29:32

repeatable. Yeah, you know, no real rules

1:29:34

there. It very much could have been

1:29:36

that it could have been established that

1:29:38

the heating tanning bed was a

1:29:41

magic, you know, had magical ability, what they

1:29:43

could have established that it was repeatable. And

1:29:45

they very much did not. And it felt

1:29:47

like, well, she's really taken

1:29:50

a bet on the fact that she'd be

1:29:52

able to come back to life. And I don't know, I had

1:29:54

a hard time harder time swallowing that then I think

1:29:57

I think the only explanation was a tattoo he drew on

1:29:59

her arm with the which was like electricity.

1:30:01

Yeah, it's the lightning bolt, the

1:30:04

electricity of the tanning bed. It's basically

1:30:06

like, the tanning bed

1:30:08

is being used as sort of like

1:30:10

a defibrillator in a sense of

1:30:12

a word. Yeah, I know, I got that. I

1:30:14

just felt like what causes

1:30:16

him to come back to life and what causes

1:30:18

her to come back to life are two different

1:30:20

situations in itself. Two different electricity, yeah. Maybe

1:30:23

it's a nit to pick, but it got to

1:30:25

me. The other thing that I couldn't stop thinking

1:30:27

about, is like, are they gonna do anything about the

1:30:29

axe murder? Like by the end of

1:30:31

this movie? Nope, nothing. Her mother was

1:30:33

brutally murdered by an axe murderer. Escape

1:30:36

is out there somewhere. And I

1:30:38

can feel like. That was weird. You

1:30:41

have a- I mean, they don't live in the same town

1:30:43

anymore. They've moved. True, but it's

1:30:45

possible to drive and try to, you

1:30:47

have this creature who is now on

1:30:49

your side, who has no

1:30:51

qualms about killing people. Like, let's start hunting.

1:30:54

Let's like, why isn't this a Dexter

1:30:56

situation, is the question, you know? Like,

1:30:58

it kinda is, it kinda is a

1:31:00

Dexter situation. It feels very like Disney

1:31:03

Princess origin story to me, where it's

1:31:05

like, well, we gotta kill one of these parents and

1:31:07

are we gonna address it? Nope, it's just sad. It's

1:31:09

awful. It's just sad. One

1:31:13

thing I wanna bring up, just in terms of like things

1:31:15

that could have been done better in this movie is that

1:31:17

she is home alone, just watching TV. And

1:31:19

first of all, this girl

1:31:21

does not actually seem traumatized about the

1:31:23

fact that a

1:31:26

Max murderer came and attacked her and her mother,

1:31:28

you know, while they were home alone, but she's

1:31:30

fine being home alone right now, just watching zombie

1:31:32

movies. But creature comes out of nowhere,

1:31:35

through the window, through

1:31:37

a whole like comedy of errors, she ends up falling in

1:31:40

his arms. I just feel like, you

1:31:42

got so much meat there. You got so much,

1:31:45

you can have so much fun to set

1:31:47

that up, to make this like, oh, this

1:31:49

is like a home invasion or something, and

1:31:51

she has no clue what's happening. And she

1:31:53

fully accepts like, oh, you're the

1:31:55

corpse of that thing I always, that's great, I

1:31:58

always visit. Like the acceptance is also. super

1:32:00

quick. It's kind of funny. I

1:32:03

feel like there's more. You could have, you could have brought

1:32:05

some flair. I love it. I love

1:32:07

it. I love that because I miss

1:32:09

movies where the rule is to suspend

1:32:11

your disbelief. I don't care. I

1:32:13

miss that so much. How did he end up

1:32:15

at her house? How like, yes, he has the rosary,

1:32:17

but how does he know where she lives? Who cares?

1:32:19

I don't care. I mean, that part I can

1:32:22

understand, but like she's watching a zombie movie

1:32:24

and like you have the perfect opportunity to

1:32:26

set up the invasion of a zombie movie

1:32:28

that's like mirroring what she's watching, which Shauna

1:32:30

the dead kind of does at certain points.

1:32:33

I think, yeah, someone commenting less

1:32:36

on believability and more like there's

1:32:38

some dramatic potential that

1:32:40

is they may or a comedic potential that

1:32:42

is potentially unrealized. That said BJ, I kind

1:32:44

of agree with you on the on the

1:32:46

believability component. Yeah. You know, this is a

1:32:49

movie where people use a tanning

1:32:51

bed to fuse live body parts to a

1:32:53

zombie. It's like, you know, not

1:32:57

a movie that I felt like was

1:33:00

super believable. Also, I wanted

1:33:02

to say moral order is

1:33:04

not like this from something you said 10 minutes

1:33:06

ago, but like I was trying to say like

1:33:08

we should take lessons on how to

1:33:11

behave from the show, but I think like

1:33:13

every movie has a moral order or like,

1:33:15

you know, what we think the

1:33:17

movie has thoughts on like, what should happen

1:33:19

or should bad people get

1:33:21

punished or should they get punished in certain

1:33:23

situations? That's what I was asking about. It

1:33:25

feels in Congress when a movie doesn't work

1:33:27

with that. Like we talked about that scene

1:33:29

in Jurassic world where that one like literally

1:33:31

for no reason. Yeah. So, you know, in

1:33:33

Jurassic world, there's a character who gets completely

1:33:36

annihilated by a dinosaur lie. Yeah.

1:33:39

But for like, her crime

1:33:41

was very insignificant. And so that's a, that's a

1:33:43

movie where like the moral order, it feels out

1:33:45

of whack. Right. But

1:33:47

anyway, I think the moral order of this movie

1:33:49

does feel out of whack because Lisa's out of whack. Her

1:33:52

priorities are completely out of whack. So

1:33:54

yeah, fair. One thing I want to

1:33:57

point out that I appreciated is the.

1:34:00

the symmetry of the, oh, symmetry is probably the

1:34:02

wrong word. The poetic justice of

1:34:04

the body parts that are

1:34:07

harvested, like,

1:34:09

you know,

1:34:12

Carla Gudino doesn't listen,

1:34:16

and so her ear is lost. This

1:34:18

dude has a gropey hand, so his hand is

1:34:20

lost. Other dude is doing bad stuff with his

1:34:22

penis, so his penis is lost. Like that, I

1:34:25

liked that structural,

1:34:28

you know, sort of poetic justice.

1:34:30

I thought that was pretty cool. I also

1:34:32

love that every time the creature

1:34:35

goes into the tanning bed, he's

1:34:37

also hotter when he comes out. I thought

1:34:39

that was like- He's just normal looking, right? He's just

1:34:41

like such a hilarious thing of like

1:34:43

the more tanning that he's getting from the

1:34:45

electricity, the more human he's becoming, but

1:34:47

really it's just like, we can't

1:34:49

deny all of these youths who watched

1:34:51

a lot of Riverdale seeing Cole Sprouse

1:34:54

look anything other than beautiful. You gotta

1:34:56

give us the real Cole Sprouse at

1:34:58

some point. Right, right. Other things

1:35:00

left on the table. How is this creature surviving?

1:35:02

Is he a zombie that needs human flesh to

1:35:04

eat? Cause we also see him eating like normal

1:35:06

food after some point. Just what's going on here?

1:35:08

Is this a whole zombie thing? You

1:35:10

know, I kind of referenced it in my limerick, but

1:35:13

I do think the Frankenstein

1:35:15

monster here- His name is

1:35:17

Frankenstein this time, so, you know, they did

1:35:19

that on purpose. It's pretty uninteresting. Like he's

1:35:21

pretty uninteresting as a character, in my opinion.

1:35:24

Like the movie is just not

1:35:26

interested in him. It's so much

1:35:28

more interested in Lisa and that's

1:35:30

fine. Like I think Lisa's a

1:35:32

much more, you know, worthy subject

1:35:35

for the film, but I do

1:35:37

think there could have been more

1:35:39

done to make him interesting. You

1:35:41

know, like- For sure. Especially for someone who can't,

1:35:43

who doesn't speak throughout the court. Oh, I love

1:35:45

him. I mean, his backstory is the

1:35:47

animation of the credits, which I thought

1:35:49

was very interesting of like, we're getting you

1:35:52

up to speed, here's who this character

1:35:54

is, here's what his life was like

1:35:56

before he died. And I like that we learn about him

1:35:58

the same way that Lisa learns about him. him

1:36:00

where she's talking at him for an

1:36:02

entire movie and then occasionally he has

1:36:05

these really beautiful bits of comedy where

1:36:07

he's not saying anything of just

1:36:09

reacting to her which I really

1:36:12

like and I read somewhere Kolsoross went to mind

1:36:14

school which I'm like good for you kid like

1:36:16

that's good for you I was thinking

1:36:20

of a hocus pocus which really makes a

1:36:22

deal for the boy who is the cat

1:36:25

like just like that I felt that

1:36:27

as a kid like that's a little tragic that's

1:36:29

just so sad and I wish I felt that

1:36:31

way. But in this instance he's Billy Butterson, he's

1:36:34

Billy Butterson, he's not that great banks. Yeah true.

1:36:38

Alright folks well B.J. I'm

1:36:40

super glad you got a lot out of

1:36:43

this. Glad you got

1:36:45

a movie for you. Yeah I totally expect that

1:36:47

I think that's all you know I love

1:36:49

it well and well argued well defended too. I

1:36:51

love it when a movie feels made just for

1:36:54

me and everybody else hates it you know that's

1:36:56

I'm very happy for you. And I will say

1:36:58

I got a wonderful

1:37:02

text message from my niece who's 11

1:37:04

years old and this movie has sort

1:37:06

of like completely reshaped her DNA. She

1:37:09

wants to get into wearing more goth

1:37:11

clothes. She changed every background on her

1:37:13

phone and all the widgets to be

1:37:16

Lisa Frankenstein. I sent her dad the

1:37:18

link to the score he's like well I gotta

1:37:20

buy that for her now. So it definitely is

1:37:22

resonating with people other than myself which I really

1:37:25

like. And it's a Diablo Cody

1:37:27

movie so it's going to be polarizing. Like

1:37:29

the people who really love this are going

1:37:31

to champion it make it their entire personality

1:37:34

and then for everyone else it's not gonna

1:37:36

work and that's totally fine and that's why

1:37:38

I think that Diablo Cody is such an

1:37:40

interesting screenwriter because all of her movies seem to

1:37:42

feel that way. Well it does feel

1:37:45

like it is modeled after cult classics and

1:37:47

so therefore it just feels appropriate that it

1:37:49

would become a cult classic. It just feels

1:37:51

destined to be one. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely.

1:37:54

Well at the end of the day it

1:37:56

is impressive that Zelda Williams made a movie.

1:37:59

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1:38:01

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I want to say a big thanks to BJ Calangelo for joining

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us. BJ let people know where they can find more of your

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work on the internet. I am on

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social media at BJ Calangelo. That's just my

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name and my podcast. This is at prom

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is wherever you can get your podcast. We're

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also on Patreon and we talk about coming

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of age stories marketed towards or about teen

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girls. All

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right. Next week on the podcast,

1:39:04

a movie I have been excited for

1:39:07

since the trailer was released, and

1:39:10

that is Madam Web. One

1:39:12

of our most anticipated films of twenty twenty

1:39:14

four. We are going to see how we

1:39:17

are going to see how. First of all,

1:39:19

Dakota Johnson is doing an incredible

1:39:21

press tour right now. It's

1:39:23

so rare to watch an actor do

1:39:25

a press tour for a movie that

1:39:27

they seemingly hate. And yeah,

1:39:30

she's had experience doing that a few times.

1:39:33

It's true. It's true. I do

1:39:35

love she's getting so much credit just for saying the

1:39:37

truth in Hollywood. Oh,

1:39:39

my God. Dakota Johnson blowing

1:39:42

like doing something nobody's else ever

1:39:44

done. Yeah, indeed. So

1:39:46

looking forward to that, looking forward to seeing

1:39:48

how much how much spider goodness

1:39:50

Sony can mine out of that IP. You know,

1:39:52

like this is really, you know,

1:39:55

venom, you

1:39:57

know, in an alternate universe, we would have already had

1:39:59

Kraken. was uh or Craven right

1:40:02

Craven. Craven. Craven. Not release the

1:40:04

Craven. We would have already had

1:40:07

Craven come out and we would already that would

1:40:09

already be like stretching it but like Craven got

1:40:11

delayed and so this is you know Venom is

1:40:13

a very slam dunk movie this

1:40:15

is one that it's like i'm really

1:40:17

questioning whether or not they should

1:40:20

have made this movie we will be discussing it

1:40:22

uh right here on the film cast so anyway

1:40:24

Madam Webb Dakota Johnson newest

1:40:27

movie spider-man movie we'll

1:40:29

see what happens thanks for watching thanks

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for listening we'll see you later goodbye

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you