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2:42

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2:44

big announcement Let's get it out of the way right at the

2:46

top of the show. We are

2:48

doing the summer movie wager this

2:50

year What The

2:54

summer movie wager, of course the annual game

2:57

Where we attempt to predict the top

2:59

10 films at the box office

3:02

each summer And

3:04

of course, it's usually an exercise

3:07

in showing how unqualified we are

3:09

to do any of the stuff that we're doing We're

3:11

living right now. So you think we would get

3:13

smart and stop humiliating ourselves

3:18

That's the joy Yeah, yeah indeed indeed.

3:20

Well, the good news is this year

3:22

we're bringing on new people to humiliate

3:24

us. Absolutely. Absolutely correct so We

3:27

are planning to record the summer movie wager in a couple

3:29

weeks. Now the thing is Guys,

3:32

it is a packed Like

3:35

time period for movies right now, like there's

3:37

so many movies coming out We literally do

3:40

not have enough slot like main movie review

3:42

slots movies are back, baby To review all

3:44

the movies that we want to discuss And

3:47

so as you'll find out when you

3:49

learn about next week's movie It

3:51

is a very challenging time to be reviewing movies like just

3:54

to get it everything we want to review So

3:56

we had to choose a date to do the

3:59

summer movie wager We're going to be doing it

4:01

a couple of weeks. We have marked the beginning of

4:03

the summer as the

4:06

fall guy, the movie that's coming out

4:08

in early May, correct by David Lynch.

4:11

Uh, it was a hard thing this year because

4:13

so many years recently, Marvel

4:16

has decided when summer starts. We

4:18

started in late April once. Yeah.

4:21

I recall. Marvel has abdicated their

4:23

responsibility to define the season. They

4:25

have been defenestrated. And

4:28

are no longer dictating the beginning of

4:30

the summer. There's only one quote unquote

4:32

Marvel movie coming up this summer. Yeah.

4:36

What Deadpool and Wolverine, right? Yeah. That's

4:38

not until late July. July. Right.

4:41

So we had to choose another day

4:43

and it could have, it could have been either the

4:45

fall guy or kingdom of the planet of the apes

4:47

coming out of May in mid May. For sure. Coming

4:49

in now though, by the way, Deadpool and Wolverine number

4:51

one of the summer. Come on. Oh, what? Come on. Wailer

4:53

for the summer movie. Wailer. I didn't even

4:56

think about it. I did. I've not looked at any of the other

4:58

out here, but that movie, number

5:00

one in my heart, wow. Wow.

5:02

I guess you don't, you're not putting too

5:04

much hope in the borderlands movie. Um,

5:07

anyway, not at all. So, so

5:10

typically what we would do in a normal

5:12

summer is like we'd, we'd record the episode,

5:14

uh, way in advance.

5:16

And then you could like have weeks

5:18

to put together your wager. That's not

5:20

happening this year because. Have we

5:23

ever done that? I feel like you say

5:25

that we have done that. I don't know.

5:27

We've done that. Usually there's like a week

5:29

and a half or two weeks, but like

5:31

in this instance, the summer movie wager episode

5:33

is coming out like literally one day before

5:35

the last day that you can

5:37

enter the summer movie wager and still be

5:39

on the leaderboard. Uh, so

5:41

if everything goes according to plan, uh,

5:44

then as, as of when you're listening to

5:46

this, you will be able to go to

5:48

the summer movie wager.com and submit

5:50

your top 10 list of summer movies for

5:52

the summer with three dark horses. And

5:55

be on the leaderboard for this year. I

5:57

think may first will be the last day. you

6:00

can be on the leaderboard because starting

6:02

May 2nd, people will have box office

6:04

information about the fall guy, which will

6:06

be the first movie of the summer.

6:08

So, uh, again, if you

6:10

want to enter and be on the leaderboard, the

6:12

summer movie wager.com is where you can do it.

6:14

Huge thanks to Dennis for putting together that website.

6:16

We'll be talking more about that website in the

6:19

future when we record the actual episode. Uh, but

6:21

just wanted to let people know for, for those who

6:24

want to enter and be part of the leaderboard, uh,

6:26

you have until now between now and May

6:29

1st to do that. Also

6:31

want to say, uh, it should be a really nice,

6:33

uh, group. We, uh, we got BJ Colangelo joining us

6:35

this year for the summer movie wager. Uh, and

6:38

we'll be recording that all together in a

6:40

couple of weeks. So look forward to that. We'll, we'll

6:42

announce when that's coming, uh, about a week in advance.

6:45

So, uh, yeah, good times up

6:47

ahead in terms of predicting the top 10 movies

6:49

of summer. I gotta say I was a little

6:51

worried there wouldn't be 10 movies to put on

6:53

the list this year. No, but

6:56

according to the list I'm looking at, there's going to be at

6:59

least 10 movies coming out this summer. So that's a

7:03

relief. So huge thanks to

7:05

Dennis, the summer movie wager.com the episode of the

7:07

summer movie wager will be coming out in a

7:09

couple of weeks. Look forward to it. Okay.

7:13

There is one big news story I want

7:15

to discuss this week that

7:17

I was really excited by. Uh, reading

7:21

here from the Hollywood reporter, the headline is Glenn

7:23

Powell to star in Edgar Wright's remake of the

7:25

running man. Again,

7:27

Hollywood all in on Glenn Powell, Glenn

7:29

Powell, everywhere, every movie. Also all

7:32

in on remakes. We

7:34

have on the after dark in

7:36

the past talked about, I

7:38

have lamented how there are

7:40

no movie stars these days anymore. How like Will

7:42

Smith was one of the last big movie stars.

7:45

There has been disagreement in the, in

7:47

between us about like what constitutes a movie star. That's

7:49

okay. But I

7:51

actually feel like Glenn Powell might have the juice that

7:53

it takes to be a movie star. And I would

7:55

also add, uh, Timothy Chalamet

7:58

to that list and Zendaya. That list

8:00

on a tour. I think I think that the

8:02

winner there's actually gonna be potentially. Some.

8:04

More movie stars which is amazing to contemplate

8:06

The global. He's having an

8:08

incredible run. He. Started topco

8:11

maverick. The. Number one grossing film of that

8:13

year. He was

8:15

in the Sony Romantic comedy Anyone But

8:17

You, which made over two hundred billion

8:19

dollars of the box office worldwide. While

8:21

he is the co producer and co

8:24

writer of Richard Linklater his newest film,

8:26

Hitman. Which. Comes out this summer June

8:28

seventh on Netflix. And. He's

8:30

going to be headlining Twisters, the spiritual

8:32

successor to Twister. One of my favorite

8:35

ones are Tell Them! On top of

8:37

that, he is now the main star

8:39

of Edgar Wright's. The. Running

8:41

Man which. I. Had to

8:43

say feels very topical. I am

8:45

curious what are your guys associated

8:47

of feelings with. The. Original, The

8:50

Running Man, Soaring, all sorts of your definitely.

8:52

Are. Probably watched it about

8:54

four hundred times on Vhs a

8:57

thaw said. Yeah. I yeah I

8:59

mean it was there was a period there

9:01

were I. you know I was all in

9:03

on source near I would watch Total Recall.

9:06

Running. Man, Predator or like those were

9:08

it was as though as every Saturday for

9:10

deaf that that's exactly right I'm doing. This

9:12

is that your job with that's not far

9:14

from the truth. Sorry I

9:16

was and running man. As a kid

9:18

it. As. A kid

9:21

who loves comic books and

9:23

professional wrestling and games and

9:25

video games. Last Ah, the

9:28

Running Man was squarely in

9:30

my wheelhouse. Ah, I mean

9:32

you literally have. Ridiculously.

9:35

Named and costume bad guys

9:37

who have seemed weapons like.

9:40

It's. Bonkers, It's it's it's I

9:42

love how goofy it is. I

9:44

love how. You

9:47

know over the top it is. It had. It.

9:49

Has. The. Dude, What? I

9:51

stayed home from school and

9:53

watch game shows all day.

9:56

It had that guy playing

9:58

a villain. A

10:00

crazy little kids yeah just

10:02

couldn't even comprehend. This is

10:04

very kind man who we

10:06

help people. Just things are

10:09

the. On the game shows a

10:11

good that would be of evil villain in

10:13

this was the major movie. Yamuna

10:16

Optic I was that younger voters in money, what

10:18

region are things and and it's very much rated

10:20

R but I you know as a couple I

10:22

watched it a little earlier than I should have.

10:24

And. Yeah, definitely loved running man. I

10:27

think it's gonna be a very very different movie, but it's

10:29

still in all. Honestly, in

10:31

the age of. Of

10:34

reality show nonsense that we talk about

10:36

a lot here on the show. it's

10:38

hard. It's it'll be a hard

10:40

thing to pull off a thing because. Actual

10:43

reality shows. Are. A

10:45

parody of themselves. already weird, live in

10:47

a post mills manner yet world you

10:50

play out. I mean obviously we mad

10:52

world after which Milf Manner has already

10:54

been released to the must. Also, some

10:56

if every every little kid knows about

10:58

Hunger Games you know right? Which is

11:00

not that far from it either so

11:02

I would be hard to kind of

11:04

make it seem. Relevant

11:08

and and subversive in any way. In

11:10

a hundred Hunger Games is pretty much

11:12

the running man for kids wrapping as

11:14

he was in Battle Royale with kind

11:16

of like a spin on that comes

11:18

up to six every see. So much

11:20

as as the movie is a be

11:22

real movie has done is we've kind

11:24

of lived through serve was to like

11:26

a deconstruct that better than. Edgar.

11:28

Wright who knows you don't recall reading your

11:30

from hello to put article. The Running Man

11:32

was set in. and twenty twenty Five. It.

11:35

In America under a totalitarian regime

11:37

that uses violent game shows to

11:39

placate the disenfranchised messes. So.

11:42

you never really to me

11:44

like the other one i've

11:46

i've a been a federal

11:48

comes to power that will

11:50

run things like they're doing

11:52

a reality show this is

11:54

our world completely unrecognisable azalea

11:56

was a bulldozer it's it's

11:58

completely like so outlandish far-fetched. It's

12:00

not even worth mentioning in

12:02

connection with our reality. One

12:05

desperate man needing money for his

12:07

sick daughter joins the most popular

12:09

show, The Running Man, in which

12:11

teams of killers hunt down contestants.

12:13

The longer one survives, the more

12:15

money that person makes. That's the

12:17

plot of the original Running Man,

12:19

which was published in 1982,

12:22

written by Stephen King under

12:24

a pseudonym. So, yeah, Bachman

12:26

books. Yeah. This sounds like

12:28

fun. This is Edgar Wright going back into

12:30

like Scott Pilgrim mode almost. So, hey,

12:33

I'm down with it. And this does remind me of the

12:35

days when like Hollywood would just be like, you,

12:37

you are a star. You're

12:40

gonna be in everything. Like we live through

12:42

the Sam Worthington days. You know, we lived

12:44

through so many of these eras that kind

12:46

of failed, right? And I'm

12:48

down with the Glam Paler. I think that could

12:50

be great. First of all, Sam Worthington's

12:53

star has not yet died. He is going

12:55

to be, I believe, in Kevin Costner's new

12:57

movie this summer. He is. You guys seen

12:59

that, seen the Kevin Costner? Two

13:01

movies. Three movies, Jeff.

13:03

Is it three? I thought it was only

13:05

two. I thought three days. It's two parts

13:08

coming out this summer. Horizon. Which

13:11

is a wild, I saw a

13:13

trailer for Horizon. That is wild, right? Because

13:15

I believe he mostly self-financed that movie. Yeah.

13:18

On his own ranch. We talk

13:20

about dad movies, right? Like for

13:22

everybody who was just hooked on

13:24

Yellowstone, Kevin Costner has delivered the

13:27

ultimate dad movie. Multiple parts across

13:29

separate release dates. Incredible. The stone is

13:31

so yellow, you won't even be able

13:33

to handle it. We are in,

13:35

we are truly in the era of

13:37

100 millionaire

13:40

slash billionaire actor directors. Just

13:44

being like, F it. I have something I want to say.

13:46

I'm going to make it. We obviously have

13:49

seen Francis Ford Coppola make probably

13:51

his last movie, Megalopolis, which

13:53

is a finished film. It will be premiering

13:56

at Cannes this year. But

13:58

no distribution. It

14:00

will ever see I assume he's gonna put

14:02

that thing up on Vimeo if Every

14:09

bottle of wine you get a free megalop a little like USB

14:11

drive But

14:17

yeah Kevin Janet it loads the Vimeo page But

14:22

yeah Kevin Costner He's obviously almost

14:24

70 years old at this point. He's made a

14:26

movie that he's like, hey, there's

14:28

a movie I don't make I don't care about

14:30

the commercial viability I don't get it's a huge

14:32

risk to release a movie in two parts within

14:34

six months from each other nothing about this makes

14:36

sense But you know, it's that kind of crazy

14:39

that we kind of need from some of Hollywood's

14:41

old old tours Yes, but uh, yeah, it will

14:43

not be possible in like 10 20 years from

14:45

now Like there will be no directors and people

14:47

that have enough juice. I think they like make

14:49

100 million s Years

14:53

from now people just typing their computer make

14:55

me a movie like Yellowstone And

14:59

then a rainforest the size of Alaska

15:01

will be burned in order to have

15:03

that but But

15:06

no disagreement Jeff. Um, so

15:08

anyway Edgar Wright really

15:10

excited that he's gonna be making it You

15:12

know Edgar Wright a super talented filmmaker Been

15:15

making his own stuff for a really long time Right,

15:17

like I think Ant-Man was one of the only other

15:19

times we've seen him attached to a pre-existing

15:22

property or a remake So

15:24

I hope that he hands about pilgrim. But yeah, yeah

15:27

I hope he's doing this willingly as

15:29

opposed to you know, feeling like

15:31

he has to in order to In

15:34

order to get get to the back but did last

15:36

night's oh do really well I forget how that turned

15:38

out but we all like it was okay. So good.

15:40

It did okay Yeah, we enjoyed it, but I think

15:42

it did okay box office It was not a huge

15:44

hit box office wise where you're like baby

15:47

driver was a huge hit box Yeah, this

15:49

is programmed to be like yes hit commercial

15:51

hit. Yeah, right, but also his his sort

15:53

of kinetic visual style In

15:56

the world of running man sounds like a

15:58

match made in heaven. Absolutely It does

16:00

feel like he's going to have a ton

16:02

of fun realizing the sort

16:05

of gonzo weirdness of

16:08

a running man. I hope it keeps its...

16:12

I hope it's not gritty and real. I

16:14

really want it to be still

16:17

in that game show aesthetic.

16:20

As I said, Hunger

16:23

Games kind of did the gritty real. Battle

16:25

Royale is the major point. It did this

16:28

sort of gritty real gruesome... There's

16:31

stuff that's gruesome in Running Man,

16:33

but it's a technicolor marvel that

16:35

movie. I hope that Edgar

16:38

Wright maintains that aesthetic at least a

16:40

bit. I also hope John Cena's in it. Talk

16:43

about the kid's personality. Steven

16:47

Tobolowsky has a saying that really sticks

16:49

with me. You don't

16:52

choose your memories. Your memories choose you. You

16:55

don't decide what you want to remember. The

16:58

things that you remember just happen to

17:00

be those things for you. They often say something

17:02

about the person. One of my core

17:04

memories of Jeff Kanata... I'm

17:07

sure you have memories of me that I don't

17:09

even remember myself. One of my core memories of

17:11

Jeff Kanata... That time that I chased you through

17:13

an apocalyptic wasteland. That one? One

17:16

of my core memories of Jeff Kanata is listening to, I

17:18

believe it was, the Totally Rad

17:22

Show episode reviewing The Hunger Games. You

17:26

described it as a battle

17:29

royale with cheese. Battle

17:33

royale with cheese. I

17:36

remember that. Thank you. I was

17:38

proud of that. I don't know

17:40

if you originated that. I

17:42

thought I did. If you

17:45

did, then that's actually really good. Very, very good. At

17:47

the time, I hadn't heard it before. I

17:50

thought it was pretty clever. In

17:53

that case, because very few people had seen

17:55

Battle Royale at that time. It

17:58

was harder to come by. right?

18:00

But you don't remember how hard I was

18:02

to get think Saddam regular a torrid t

18:05

like weeds didn't realize it when you the

18:07

torrent a copy of Battle Royale bags or

18:09

to do here to do that. But.

18:13

Yeah. Now you can now uses. Open

18:15

up your app Zero! I definitely have

18:17

it was under reference to school. I

18:19

want to see a movie and the

18:21

facility will fall in love with movie

18:23

appear that split into a Battle Royale

18:25

two thousand film. Definitely. A

18:28

seminal. Movie. For a

18:30

lot of us and worth checking out. Okay

18:32

another like a set of in the vein

18:34

of post apocalyptic movies where people play games

18:36

where they kill each other in I'm So

18:39

Yes are also worth checking out or it.

18:42

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18:44

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21:08

right. What we've been watching this week, let's get into it.

21:11

Jeff Kanata, you've been watching something that a lot of people

21:13

have been talking about. Paul's about

21:15

it. I

21:17

watched the entire first season of

21:19

Fallout. And you know, we

21:21

were talking about... That's hardcore, Jeff. That's hardcore. It's been a long

21:23

time since you watched one season

21:26

of a show in three days. In

21:28

three days. Jesus, amazing. Now, before

21:31

we get into it, we were talking about this a

21:33

little bit before we pressed record. And

21:35

I think a lot of people are talking about it. And

21:37

I think it bears bringing up. I

21:39

have come to the position, and I

21:41

suspect you guys agree, but I would love to hear your

21:44

opinions. But after

21:46

several years of living through the experiment,

21:49

I have come to fully

21:51

believe that releasing

21:54

an entire season of a

21:56

show on the same day is a bad

21:58

decision every time. Yes, it's

22:00

bad. For years

22:03

and years and years, we all grew up with, you know,

22:05

got to wait around to the day to watch the thing.

22:07

And we thought and then and then Netflix was like, Hey,

22:10

we're gonna try something else. Why would you do that? This

22:12

just watch it all just been you know, we're gonna put

22:14

it on the one day. And I remember when

22:16

that first happened going, that's

22:18

amazing. It's amazing. Really cool. I

22:21

don't have to wait anymore. And

22:23

thinking that might be this revolutionary

22:25

cool future, the future

22:27

and better, better,

22:29

right? Why? Why arbitrarily with

22:31

the shows finished? Why arbitrarily

22:33

wait? Just put it all out. Let

22:35

me watch it at my own pace. I

22:38

have completely, completely

22:41

turned 180 degrees from that

22:43

point of view.

22:45

And I just I really think it's

22:48

less fun on every

22:51

level for me. Like I watched this

22:53

whole show in like three days. And

22:55

it was it was great. But it

22:57

was drinking from a fire hose. I

22:59

don't remember where one episode ends and

23:02

then it starts. It's one big long

23:04

story. And that's fine. But compare

23:07

that to watching Succession

23:09

or The Bear or

23:12

any number of very also really thought once, by the way.

23:15

Was it? Yes. Oh, well,

23:17

I misremembered that. But other shows

23:19

that have been, you

23:22

know, I think the best

23:24

way to release a new show is

23:26

two or three episodes at

23:29

once. Yeah. And then weekly after that.

23:31

Yeah. Or even a handful of

23:34

episodes every week or so. Like if you want to

23:36

spread it out. But I'm just gonna

23:38

say this. I'll just say this in

23:40

response to that. I

23:43

think you were right that for people

23:45

like us, I agree that

23:47

the weekly release is optimal. Like we

23:49

like to think and talk and reflect

23:52

on it. You know, like, that's what

23:54

we appreciate. The

23:57

case for releasing

23:59

it once I think is

24:03

that my my

24:05

guess I would surmise is that the

24:08

data often show that when you release it at once people

24:11

more people get to the end and

24:13

that means it's more likely to watch

24:15

a second season when that comes out you know

24:17

and so on so let's not forget like when

24:20

Netflix started doing this they were the first to

24:22

do pretty much a ton of

24:24

on-demand streaming stuff so how do you stand

24:26

out right don't come back week to

24:28

week sit in front of your right computer

24:30

screen or whatever you were using at the time very slow

24:32

Rookus and just watch all this stuff

24:35

all at once so they needed that engagement Netflix

24:37

needed it to survive yeah but

24:39

but I truly culturally I agree

24:42

it's it's negative Jeff because shows

24:44

like The Bear or shows like

24:46

Fallout their cultural moment as

24:48

it were feels like it

24:50

passes by quicker as opposed to yes we're

24:52

talking about the show for months like well

24:55

you know can't have a conversation because

24:57

you don't know where anyone or wherever it

24:59

is in their journey yeah you know I

25:02

could say hey have you seen all of

25:04

shogun up till now right and have a

25:06

conversation about all of show guests that we

25:08

all know yeah and I will say fallout

25:11

has awesome episodic

25:16

trappings it has really

25:19

cool cliffhangers at the end of episodes

25:21

it has awesome sort of self-contained this

25:23

episode is about this that episode is

25:25

about that there's stuff that carries over

25:27

but they're really well

25:30

made our long

25:32

experiences but you'll never have

25:34

be able to have that conversation with somebody you'll

25:36

never I never felt like oh

25:39

wow I'm gonna think about what that means at the

25:41

end of this episode because I'm just gonna

25:43

click to the next one and I think

25:46

that's a loss I think that's a loss to

25:48

the creators that have put so much time and

25:51

effort into establishing those wonderful

25:53

hooks inside things and give each

25:55

episode its own identity in a

25:57

really interesting way and All

26:00

of that is washed away in

26:03

the malaise of seasonal

26:06

availability. You know, it's just unfortunate and

26:08

I think it's a failed experiment, honestly.

26:10

But in this case, you were like,

26:12

Om nom nom nom nom. But in

26:14

this case, you were just like, I

26:16

heard om nom nom. Yeah, I

26:19

mean, perhaps it's a bit hypocritical of me

26:21

to say. Well, it's there, right? You can't

26:23

blame it yourself for doing it. Yeah, the

26:25

mistake, quote unquote, has already been made. Why

26:28

not benefit from the results, right? Well, I

26:30

don't know if I benefited, right? I would

26:32

have preferred to spread that out. But I

26:34

also, there was a bit of a, I felt

26:36

pressure. Like, I want to see this before it's spoiled.

26:38

I want, you know, like, that was true. Like

26:41

the latest X-Men, like people were spoiling that

26:43

immediately when that dropped. And that's a weekly

26:45

release. But that was a weekly release. It

26:48

is. But Matt, now you're worrying about

26:50

the entire season's worth of spoilers rather

26:53

than one episode. Absolutely. Absolutely. All right.

26:55

So Jeff, that rants aside, which I

26:57

appreciate hearing. What

26:59

did you think about Fallout, the Prime

27:01

Video original series? Well, I am a

27:03

huge fan of the video game series. I'm

27:05

a huge fan of Bethesda games in general. I

27:08

love, you know, I love the Elder Scrolls series.

27:10

I love Fallout. Those are

27:12

some of my favorite game experiences,

27:14

these big sprawling role-playing game worlds.

27:16

And I've put hundreds

27:18

of hours into, you know, all

27:21

the Fallout, Fallout 3 and 4

27:23

particularly. And

27:27

I, as evidence for

27:29

the fact that I blasted through eight

27:31

episodes of the show, I thought this

27:33

was a home run, an absolute

27:35

home run. Really

27:38

unlikely. I honestly did not think it

27:40

could possibly be as fun and good

27:42

and compelling. When

27:46

I heard about this project happening, I thought, oh, here

27:49

we go. You know, it's another one of these. Let's

27:51

make a video game and do a show thing. I

27:55

am prepared to say that I think

27:57

Fallout is the most

27:59

impressive. impressive video game adaptation to

28:02

date now I Will

28:05

sing the praises of the Last of Us. I

28:08

think it's an excellent. I mean extraordinary extraordinary

28:12

adaptation extraordinary show But

28:16

much more straightforward Task

28:20

doing the narrative. Yeah, it's I

28:23

mean that game Aspires to be

28:25

a cinematic Narrative

28:28

a to B to C story right and

28:31

it is successful on a large extent

28:33

you know it it feels like a

28:36

series that you're experiencing it's interactive and you're

28:38

you know, you're doing a lot of mundane

28:41

things in video game collecting things

28:43

and crafting things and killing things

28:46

but mostly what

28:48

you're doing is experiencing this narrative that

28:50

is very specific to these characters and

28:52

the show faithfully Recreates that it also

28:54

added things and explored other things and

28:56

it did cool adaptation

28:59

stuff but What

29:02

fallout had to do and what it

29:04

does so successfully in my opinion? Isn't

29:08

that like it didn't there is no

29:10

one story of fallout There are these

29:12

games and they have main quests and

29:14

they have side quests But there isn't

29:16

like an indelible character that jumps out

29:18

There are archetypes and it is

29:20

very much a game series where you are you

29:22

are role-playing You are creating a character and

29:24

trying to play it how you want Well,

29:26

I also want to point out that fallout

29:29

is a series of games almost like a

29:31

dozen games And hundreds

29:33

and hundreds of hours of gameplay right like

29:35

last of us was almost like a one-to-one

29:39

Adaptation of the first game the first one

29:41

from the creators of the game Right, right

29:43

whereas like this is like there's so much

29:46

more material to choose from and as you

29:48

say Jeff Your character is

29:50

not nearly as defined as like the main

29:52

characters in life. You define it as the

29:54

player, right? You are imbuing it you have

29:56

all these options to play it in a

29:58

whole variety of different ways Right, that's the

30:00

whole hook of a role-playing game like that is you

30:03

get to decide what you want to do Which

30:06

is not the case in the Last of Us

30:09

and So what they

30:11

have done here so smartly I think is

30:13

first Made

30:16

the show about a number of different

30:18

characters all of whom you could have

30:20

been As

30:23

a player in the in the game series you

30:25

could have played things that you that these characters

30:27

do So you're getting a

30:30

bunch of different slices of what it was like

30:32

to play the game but more than that I

30:34

think what they do so so

30:37

well with this series is They

30:40

dramatize the world the

30:43

world that you inhabit in the game series

30:46

and I've often thought that the

30:49

sort of the sort of

30:51

goal with making a video

30:54

game into a movie or TV show

30:57

would be to make it feel like this

30:59

is the thing the game is based on

31:02

right like Not

31:05

so much owed so many of these

31:07

video game adaptations like the Doom movie

31:09

and you know other other lesser

31:12

efforts Are really

31:14

sort of fan-servicey and they're trying to give

31:16

you the video game stuff In

31:19

service of that and it kind of makes the movie

31:21

feel less than and I always thought man the goal

31:23

would be hey This

31:26

this is so good. It makes the video game

31:28

seem like it's based on this, right? But

31:31

that's but I'm eating my words now

31:33

because that's not at all what

31:35

fallout does instead fallout is look

31:38

at how rich and interesting and

31:41

Goofy and fun and hilarious

31:43

and over the top and

31:45

weird The

31:47

world is and look

31:49

at how many cool things we

31:51

can bump into That are that

31:53

were already defined by this world

31:55

the world that the creators of

31:57

fallout to their credit recognized that

32:01

there is a joy in being in

32:03

this place. And

32:06

so they plop you into a bunch

32:08

of different characters that are in this

32:10

place in various capacities and are exploring

32:13

different corners of this really interesting world.

32:15

And they weren't afraid

32:18

to embrace what

32:21

is silly about that

32:23

world, what kind of doesn't make sense

32:25

about that world. The things that are

32:27

quirky and weird and even video gamey,

32:30

but embracing all of it

32:32

and throwing it all onto the

32:34

show and letting

32:36

those, that tone, I'm

32:38

so impressed by the tone of the show because

32:41

there is definitely a

32:43

temptation, I would assume, in

32:47

talking about a post-apocalyptic video game

32:49

series to make it gritty

32:52

and real and... And

32:55

that's not what Fallout is, right? Fallout

32:58

is really funny. And

33:00

this show is really funny. It

33:03

has so much like Sam Raimi

33:05

DNA in the show, the gory,

33:07

goofy, over the top, that

33:11

kind of like something horrible

33:14

and disgusting happens, but

33:16

it's hilarious also. And

33:19

also the story is awesome. The final

33:21

episode has such great payoffs. It

33:24

has so many awesome cameos from people from

33:26

a lot of comedic actors

33:28

that you'll recognize. Throughout the series,

33:30

it was awesome. I'm

33:33

just so impressed by the show. It looks

33:35

like it was very expensive. And

33:38

almost all of it worked for me. I just

33:41

had a blast watching it and I blasted through

33:43

it. So I know you guys have been watching

33:45

too. I'm curious what you think. Yeah, Devendra, what'd

33:47

you think of Fallout? Yeah, I think it's fantastic

33:49

for everything you're saying, Jeff. I do wonder, Jeff,

33:51

did you ever check out the Halo TV show?

33:54

I watched a couple of episodes of the first season

33:56

and I haven't watched any of the second season. Yeah,

33:58

kind of the second season. same with that. Which

34:00

was, it's interesting to see like

34:03

how these adaptations differ, whereas that one was

34:05

like, hey, you got Master Chief, but they're

34:07

also actually doing something different with

34:09

the narrative and like what they, what you would do with

34:11

a Halo property. I think it

34:13

just didn't feel like Halo, whereas this one does

34:16

really interesting narrative stuff, but feels like

34:18

a Fallout game. It feels like, yeah,

34:20

you were just controlling those characters. But

34:23

also, I like these characters. Like

34:25

I think they're just fun to follow. They're really

34:28

interesting. Opening with Walton Goggins on a

34:30

scene with his young daughter before the

34:33

bombs drop is just perfect.

34:35

Because who else to bring you into an

34:37

insane world like this? But Goggins, like I

34:39

will follow that man anywhere, no matter what

34:41

role he plays. And he is absolutely

34:44

perfect. The batting average for

34:46

series has got to be... Top

34:49

team. Extraordinary. Extraordinary. Extraordinary. Except for

34:52

the unicorn. Justify the shield, the

34:54

righteous gemstones. Yeah. Yeah.

34:56

I don't talk about the unicorn. You never watched

34:58

his sitcom, The Unicorn. But I'm... Listen, I watched

35:01

an episode or two of that. It is the

35:03

most baffling thing in the world. Maybe

35:05

his people told him, like, yeah, you should

35:08

do a sitcom. You're likable, right? Right?

35:10

A single dad who takes care of

35:12

his kids? That's a unicorn, right? Yeah.

35:14

Wild at that show even exists.

35:16

But I love him here. I

35:19

love Ella Purnell's character. I love

35:21

the people who just show up.

35:23

Like, what's his face?

35:27

Who plays her father? Tom

35:29

McLaughlin appears. Just

35:32

perfect. The exact perfect face you want from

35:34

there. Zach Cherry, an actor I love

35:36

and a whole bunch of stuff. I

35:39

think the cast is great. Like

35:41

you're saying, the tone is good to you.

35:43

But it's propulsive in a way that is

35:45

interesting and compelling. Whereas I'm looking

35:47

at like three body problem. I'm like that, I

35:50

never felt momentum in that show. Even though it's

35:52

throwing so much at you, it's a lot of

35:54

like, I don't, okay, sure. You're throwing plot at

35:56

me, but I don't care why a lot of

35:58

this is happening. Whereas this is like just... super

36:00

compelling. So yeah, excellent adaptation.

36:03

Yeah. Uh, so I'm

36:06

very positive on it. I would,

36:08

the show covers three separate characters.

36:10

It's like following three main characters.

36:13

I don't think all three of them are equally interesting. Got to

36:15

put that out there, but maybe that will change. I've only seen

36:17

a few episodes. I think the

36:19

cast is really good. And

36:22

I really enjoy the tone. Maybe the

36:24

post-apocalypse can be occasionally funny is what

36:26

the show asks. And that

36:28

is great considering all the times

36:30

when we've seen the post-apocalypse be

36:32

a huge bummer, guys. I mean,

36:35

uh, the, uh, what do

36:37

you call it? The, the show, the

36:39

silo. That's another show that came out recently.

36:41

Very similar. Right. It has people, I

36:43

mean, similar in terms of the premise, post-apocalyptic

36:46

wasteland, people living underground in these

36:48

huge silo slash vault things. One

36:51

of these shows is way more fun and enjoyable to

36:53

watch than the other. You know, you

36:56

brought up the fact that we're going to

36:58

get a Borderlands movie this summer. I kind

37:00

of feel like this show might be eating

37:02

its lunch. Absolutely. And that's like a famously,

37:04

I do, uh, a failed adaptation, apparently. Like

37:06

they, there are multiple directors involved at this

37:09

point. Sounds like a disaster. So. But Borderlands,

37:11

I mean, the video game is like, what

37:13

if the post-apocalyptic was hilarious? Yeah. I'm wondering

37:15

if it's going to feel redundant now that

37:17

that fallout is so good. A

37:19

hundred percent. I mean, the one thing that

37:21

might save it is, uh, Kate Blanchett, you

37:24

know, like, okay. I kind of want to

37:26

see what Kate Blanchett in a

37:28

Borderlands movie. That is inherently interesting to me. Right.

37:30

I agree. You guys haven't seen that trailer, right?

37:32

Yeah. I haven't seen the trailer, but oh buddy.

37:35

Oh yeah. Yeah. But, but Kate Blanchett

37:37

is in the movie and asking, why

37:39

is Kate Blanchett in this movie while

37:41

watching this trailer? Tarr is in the movie. You

37:44

know, what is Tarr going to do in a

37:46

post-apocalypse? I'm, you're curious. Uh,

37:48

anyway, so overall

37:50

I'm a fan of the movie of the show

37:52

fallout on prime video. And

37:55

yeah, it's, it seems to be

37:58

like universally beloved. And, uh, something

38:00

that yeah go Jeff I love

38:02

the look and feel of the

38:05

show to it the art direction

38:07

is really fun there

38:09

is a level

38:11

of superficiality to everything that

38:14

could very much not work like

38:17

it it doesn't attempt

38:19

to make things look

38:22

you know we are already in

38:24

an alternate earth before any kind of

38:26

right you know apocalypse that's what's cool

38:29

about it is like it the the

38:31

show imagines like what if I think

38:33

it's the 60s right what if we're

38:35

like in the 60s 50s or 60s and we

38:39

had all this weird alternate more

38:41

futuristic technology back then and then

38:44

the apocalypse happens like yeah it's

38:46

like all of those you know

38:49

World's Fair like what the 50s

38:51

thought the future was gonna be

38:53

like all that kind of that kind of look yeah what

38:55

if we had robots but they you know they were you

38:58

know what the 50s thought a robot was gonna

39:00

look like all that stuff and that's like in

39:02

the in the game you kind of just get

39:04

it into like you playing

39:07

a video game you need to accept so

39:09

much stuff right oh yeah okay whatever it's

39:11

all wacky you know 50 60

39:13

propaganda posters that's fine but like in a show

39:16

that's a much bigger ask and I think the

39:18

show does pull that off very well you know

39:20

like yeah and and the

39:22

art direction goes so far in

39:24

making that work and even you know there's there's

39:27

a lot of CG in the show but

39:29

there's also a lot of practical

39:31

like goofy fun like

39:33

I said like Sam Raimi style

39:35

you know severed heads and and

39:38

body parts and there's even

39:40

the CG monsters I

39:43

think intentionally look like their puppets you

39:45

know it's CG but it's made like

39:47

you could see where the hand you

39:50

know and I think all of that

39:53

is so smartly executed because again that

39:55

can fall flat on its face and

39:57

feel really wrong or

40:00

too cheesy, but it's just the

40:03

right amount of cheesiness to sell

40:06

this notion of what this time, what

40:08

this place, what this alternate history is

40:10

all about. And I'm just

40:12

so impressed. The music is awesome. It

40:14

uses a lot of period, like old

40:17

50s and 40s

40:20

record Americana,

40:23

an old cowboy singing a tune. It's

40:25

steeped in that and the video game

40:27

was as well, but it's so expertly

40:30

leverages all of those things

40:33

to sell the

40:35

notion of this place, which is not it. Like

40:38

you said, not an easy thing to sell. Yeah.

40:40

Yeah. Anyway, worth checking

40:43

out. Jeff has seen

40:45

the entire season already and Devinger and I

40:47

are partway through the season. I will say

40:49

I hope you guys finish it. I

40:51

think the end is awesome. I

40:53

really thought it paid off. I

40:56

mean, ultimately it's structured like a role

40:58

playing game. It feels like you're playing a role

41:00

playing game. There's like a main quest and people

41:02

get siphoned off into side quests

41:04

and there's even a line Goggin says at

41:06

one point, like the one, the golden rule

41:09

of the wasteland is thou shalt be sidetracked

41:12

into useless bullshit or something along

41:15

those lines. I butchered that.

41:17

But anyway, basically it's like what video game

41:19

players have dealt with forever. It's like, you

41:21

know, your dad is missing. Go

41:23

find him. Well, but also there's all these

41:26

other problems I can do it and the

41:28

show embraces that. It's

41:31

just it's so, so

41:33

well done. And it really feels like

41:36

a celebration of what I loved

41:38

about the video game brought

41:40

to life. It just feels

41:42

impossible to me. Like I, I'm shocked

41:44

that it works as well as it does. That

41:48

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been your hardwar. Hit us up with someone

43:02

else you've been watching. Yeah, I've got another

43:04

adaptation for you and another excellent one.

43:06

That's The Sympathizer on Max. This

43:09

is a show, CoShow Run, by

43:12

Don McKellar and Park Chun Look. And

43:14

we have been seeing trailers for this

43:16

forever. It's based on a very famous

43:19

book, too. I believe it's a Pulitzer

43:21

Prize-winning book. Basic

43:23

concept. I don't know if you want to hear this, Jeff,

43:25

but the basic concept is it's about a double agent. Somebody

43:30

who the Viet Cong planted in the

43:32

South Vietnam Army, he ends up

43:34

escaping to the U.S. when the

43:36

country falls apart and continues to report

43:39

back to the Viet Cong. That is the show. And

43:41

it is very much... I've

43:43

only seen the first episode, so I don't know how deep it's

43:45

getting into things. But

43:47

just like this overall premise and seeing these

43:49

characters, the lead has no actual name. Everybody

43:51

just calls him the Captain. He's played by

43:53

Hua Shwande. And he is an incredible... presence

44:00

because he is somebody who is

44:02

fighting for the north is fighting on behalf

44:05

of communists in Vietnam, but also is

44:08

there in the south and is surrounded by people

44:10

who are coordinating with America and Everybody's

44:13

trying to like win freedom in their own

44:15

way as well But yeah,

44:17

I find the show just really really fascinating.

44:19

It's a gorgeous looking show It

44:22

is definitely another instance of like like

44:24

decision to leave where Park Chun-Wook is just having

44:26

fun With the camera like there

44:29

are so many really interesting zooms

44:31

and really interesting

44:33

camera placement there'll be like a Guys

44:36

like lighting a cigarette and it will like

44:38

zoom into the cigarette and then the cigarette

44:41

becomes like a flare in the sky You

44:43

know the flare the sky do all these

44:45

wild transitions, which is very the show opens

44:48

with like somebody somebody speaking through like a

44:50

jail Cell window like those tiny ones and

44:52

the camera pans back immediately to perfectly frame

44:54

the characters It's very much like 70s

44:58

You know paranoid thrillers, you know,

45:00

like I think like it's very much

45:02

those things. I think it's really fascinating

45:05

It's also covering, you know a slice

45:07

of history in Vietnam from a perspective We don't

45:09

normally get to see because normally we see America,

45:12

you know invading Vietnam We see what

45:14

happens from other perspectives not necessarily the

45:16

people on the ground And

45:18

I think this is just kind of fascinating. It's fascinating to

45:20

see somebody who has Anti-american

45:22

sympathies basically being the person that's

45:24

starring in the show and being

45:26

somebody who is trying to wrestle

45:29

with a sort of look not

45:32

quite love but a sort of admiration

45:34

for what America can do but also

45:36

a Loyalty to his own country and

45:38

communist, you know beliefs as

45:40

well. So it's just fascinating.

45:43

It's a really fascinating character study I've only seen

45:45

one episode but even that feels like a movie

45:47

because so much happens in there So if you're

45:49

a fan of part-time look, I

45:51

think this is far better than his other the other

45:53

TV show He was attached to that was a little

45:55

drummer girl and you know

45:58

That was not as interesting Although it had a really

46:01

cool lead. Yeah, this is definitely

46:03

worth watching and yeah, I'm digging it I hope

46:05

I hope the entire series kind of lives up

46:07

to this first episode. I agree

46:10

with the Vinger hardware on this one This

46:13

is an extremely good show. I think

46:15

the Vinger is actually even underselling it. I

46:17

mean great this Double-plus

46:19

show that stars Academy

46:22

Award winner Robert Downey jr. I didn't even

46:25

mention him. But yeah, he's in multiple

46:27

roles, right? Oh, and so he's

46:29

great. We got Park Chan Wook

46:32

who? Probably just barely

46:34

missed out on an Academy Award nomination for a

46:36

decision to leave last year But

46:39

he's doing his thing and it looks

46:41

like a Park Chan Wook movie There's

46:43

many yeah directors who like a

46:45

show up on TV and they direct a TV episode and it

46:47

doesn't look like You can't attribute

46:49

it to their work and it's like this looks like

46:51

a Park Chan Wook movie The

46:54

main actor they got is obviously also incredible. It's Really

46:57

really good and we

46:59

are just blessed with a amazing TV right now It

47:01

is kind of wild like how much good content we're

47:04

getting and of course a lot of this was made

47:06

During early pandemic stuff too. So if we're

47:08

seeing a flood of content that has been slowly

47:10

been made over the last few years I guess

47:12

we're yeah, we're just being inundated now. I

47:15

strongly recommend it. It's the sympathizer It's streaming

47:17

right now on max the one to watch

47:19

for HBO and it is releasing week to week

47:23

All right, I want to talk about something I've been

47:25

watching this week I

47:28

got a message from Home

47:33

to the show dank of Austin now in

47:36

the past dank of Austin has had I'm

47:40

not gonna say he's had a hundred percent hit rate but

47:44

Every movie he has recommended in strenuous terms

47:46

to us has been extremely

47:48

interesting or it's been very provocative There

47:52

was the three someone right

47:54

three someone He

47:58

would almost have a dog in like batting

48:00

average, but for that one

48:03

movie. What was that threesome movie?

48:06

Uh, I want to just, um, there

48:08

is no I am threesome. I think is the name. I

48:10

think that might be right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He recommended this

48:13

movie called there is no I am threesome. That

48:15

movie was terrible. Uh, like

48:18

actively infuriating movie. Yeah. But

48:21

I think the re that then prompted

48:23

him to have to redeem himself. And

48:25

I think he recommended, uh, beyond the

48:27

infinite few minutes, which is one of

48:29

my favorite movies of all time. Now,

48:31

Jeff has made almost his entire personality.

48:33

Um, he

48:36

recommended, uh, what do you call it? The,

48:38

the show about the show, which we somehow

48:40

became part of in a

48:42

very weird and unfortunate way. Uh,

48:45

and so when Dank of Austin makes a recommendation,

48:48

uh, I take

48:50

notice. Yes, indeed. And he sent me a text

48:52

and he says, you have to go see this

48:54

movie. It is called

48:56

hundreds of beavers. It

48:59

is one of the most extraordinary movies I've ever seen.

49:03

And that's it. I cannot wait to watch this. I cannot wait to

49:05

watch an article about it. Now, hundreds of beavers has

49:07

been touring around the United States and

49:10

you, like you can, if

49:12

you have a chance to see it in theaters,

49:14

you should, cause seeing it with a crowd is

49:17

really interesting. I saw it at the Sif cinema,

49:19

Egyptian, uh, and with like a pretty big audience.

49:21

And I will just say, Jeff

49:24

is about to watch this week. So I'm going to be

49:26

very big. And yeah, like

49:29

take my, just

49:31

get a piece out for like 30 seconds. Suffice to say

49:34

hundreds of beavers is a movie about, uh, what

49:39

it's almost impossible to describe what it's about. It's like,

49:42

it takes place in the frontier of America,

49:45

but it's about like the

49:48

misadventures of one guy interacting

49:50

with nature. That's what the whole movie is

49:52

about. But what's incredible about the

49:54

movie is it's all done

49:57

in a very DIY. style,

50:00

like using what

50:02

appears to be Adobe After Effects and

50:05

a bunch of people dressing up as animals. And

50:08

that's the whole movie, is like this guy

50:10

going on these adventures with these animals and

50:13

using like really basic

50:15

CG digital effects

50:18

to achieve it. It is so

50:21

funny, so creative, so

50:24

much work looks like

50:26

it went into making this movie. And

50:29

it is an incredibly un-commercial movie, like

50:31

it's in

50:33

black and white, I don't remember the

50:35

aspect ratio, I think it might be 4x3, like there is no

50:37

hope that this movie is going to make like 50 million dollars

50:40

in the box office. But

50:42

it will be a cult classic, it will be a

50:44

movie people talk about in a long time. It is

50:47

one of the most boldly original films

50:49

I've ever seen, and

50:52

I recommend it. So

50:54

that's hundreds of beavers, it

50:56

will be available on video

50:58

in demand, I think in the next week or two. But

51:01

if you have a chance to see it in theaters, you

51:04

should go watch it. Dan Gavozin wins

51:08

again. Redeem himself. He

51:11

keeps the hits coming. So hundreds

51:13

of beavers, Jeff Kanata in particular,

51:16

you need to watch this movie. I cannot

51:18

wait, I'm watching it at my earliest opportunity.

51:20

I've been looking, searching for it to come

51:22

to the Denver area, I have not seen

51:24

it come through so very excited about that.

51:26

It is a movie that I like, for

51:29

reasons I'm not even going to say, Jeff, because

51:31

I know you don't mean to spoil anything, it

51:33

is a movie that is very configured for your

51:35

sensibilities. And I'm

51:38

looking forward to hearing what you think about it. So hundreds

51:40

of beavers, that's a movie I've been watching this week. Alright

51:43

Jeff, hit us up with something else you've

51:45

been watching. Well yesterday morning,

51:47

Sunday morning, lying

51:49

in bed, my children

51:51

run in at 6 o'clock in

51:54

the morning, run and leap onto the bed, I

51:57

groggily open my eyes.

52:00

And they start screaming daddy daddy. There's a

52:02

new bluey today's the day a new bluey

52:05

is out Yeah, so

52:07

we all curled

52:09

up in mommy and daddy's bed turn

52:12

on the TV in the bedroom and Watched

52:14

the two new episodes of

52:17

bluey one is called ghost basket

52:20

And it is a regular sort of eight-minute

52:22

long blue episode and

52:24

then the other one very special Episode

52:27

called the sign which is for the

52:30

first time a full half an hour

52:33

episode of bluey If

52:35

you've been listening to the show for any period

52:37

of time, you know Devendra

52:40

and I are huge bluey fans here I

52:42

I think I think bluey is in my

52:45

favorite television shows of all time And

52:48

it's right near the top and that's not

52:50

kids shows. That's not there's no qualifier

52:53

It's just one of the best shows ever

52:55

made on every level an

52:58

animated show about a family of dogs

53:00

living in a world of dogs and

53:03

it is insightful beautiful

53:07

heartfelt Exquisitely

53:09

made it's something so

53:11

good that you can't help but think this

53:13

cannot last right right this this

53:15

greatness You can't be so creative and so

53:17

meaningful and emotional like write such great characters

53:19

and stories You can't keep this up forever.

53:21

So that is on my mind as I'm

53:24

watching these, you know These final ones goes

53:26

back to the guy by the way came

53:28

out last week Jeff So that was like

53:30

a precursor which kind of hinted that we're

53:32

it sets up the sign Yeah, and so

53:35

the sign really does feel

53:37

like it could be a

53:40

series finale They

53:42

have come out and said that is not the case. There

53:44

will be more bluey I I

53:46

can't imagine they would stop now. It is

53:48

really kind of hit its Peak

53:51

of popularity. I mean it's all over the world and

53:53

you know, it's huge. We say they were there was

53:56

a bluey in the Thanksgiving

53:58

Day parade, you know, it's like it's really gotten

54:00

very mainstream and you go to toy

54:02

stores and there's plushies and action

54:05

figures. And so I'm sure you

54:07

know, there's a lot of pressure to keep it going. So there are 150

54:10

episodes over 150 at this

54:12

point. And those are all distinct stories. Even

54:15

though they're short, there's a

54:17

lot of work that goes into every one of

54:19

those seven minute episodes. So yeah. And I think

54:21

there's a talk about batting

54:23

averages. That's our refrain this week batting

54:25

average or more refrain at least. Um, the

54:28

batting average for a blue episode is, you

54:30

know, just unmatched. Like there's so many home

54:33

runs in those 150 episodes

54:36

to keep that level of quality. There must be

54:38

an enormous amount of pressure alongside the fact that

54:40

the two main little girls,

54:43

I, they have been very precious about

54:45

holding back the identities of the actors

54:47

that play them. I suspect pretty sure

54:50

multiple kids have played them at this

54:52

point. Well, I don't know. I, I,

54:54

I suspected the creators, actual kids, but

54:57

I'm not sure. They've kept

54:59

that a secret. The, they

55:02

have clearly aged over time. You can, and

55:04

the characters of Bluey and Bingo, the two

55:07

girl daughters, uh, have aged,

55:09

uh, in the animation. It's not like the Simpsons

55:11

where they're just perpetually the same ages. Um,

55:14

so I suspect there's a pressure to kind of

55:16

make as many as they can before these kids

55:18

age out. I don't know. Regardless

55:20

of that, this

55:22

really does feel like it could be a

55:25

series finale. And I'm very, very grateful that

55:27

it sounds like that's not the case, but

55:29

my goodness, is it a crescendo for

55:32

anybody that has invested time in this

55:34

universe and this world? It, I

55:36

was bawling by the end. Um, spoiler

55:39

for the premise of this episode, but

55:42

the idea is that the, the parents

55:44

Bandit and Chili have put

55:46

the, their house up for sale and

55:48

Bandit has gotten a job in a

55:50

different city and they're going to move

55:52

away. Uh, and that happens

55:54

alongside the wedding

55:57

of his brother, Rad,

55:59

Bandit's. or excuse me, yeah, Brandon's brother,

56:01

Rad. And

56:04

that was set up in its own episode. There's

56:06

an episode where he meets the girl that he's going

56:09

to marry, that they both were babysitters, the girls

56:11

in the same night. And the girl's voiced by Claudio

56:13

Darity, by the way, who I love in everything,

56:16

so yeah, amazing. This episode has

56:18

a bunch of cool cameos. Joel Rodgerton

56:20

plays the character. Rose Byrne comes back,

56:22

Rose Byrne is Chili's sister. Yeah, it's

56:25

just so beautiful. And there's all

56:28

these payoffs for little things

56:30

that have never been sort of the central

56:32

thing. There's a kid whose dad

56:34

is getting a divorce that we've kind of

56:37

seen hinted at over the time. And he

56:39

finds somebody else to fall in love with.

56:41

And like in one little shot, you see

56:43

them like shopping for a house together. There's

56:46

all these just beautiful

56:48

little world building payoffs

56:51

of stuff, a character,

56:54

I won't spoil anymore. It's

56:57

just so masterful. Beautiful

57:01

on a number of levels. It's

57:04

sort of about not

57:06

knowing if the future

57:08

is going to be good or bad, and sort

57:10

of having to be okay in the not

57:12

knowing. And as with

57:15

all Bluey episodes, it feels like there's a

57:17

life lesson to take away from it, a

57:20

beautiful sort of way

57:22

to think about the world that they've

57:24

found in the storytelling. And

57:26

I mean, I was bawling by the end

57:28

as somebody that moved. Yeah, like clockwork, right?

57:31

Yeah, like clockwork. As somebody

57:33

that moved from one

57:35

location to another with my children, that's kind of what

57:37

this central idea is about, the

57:40

girls are worried about leaving their home, the

57:42

home that we've seen through all these episodes.

57:45

It's such a special show. And I

57:47

know we've talked about it a number

57:49

of times, but it bears repeating. This

57:52

is truly a

57:57

lightning bolt, a unicorn. is

58:01

literally every aspect of it,

58:03

the voice acting, the animation,

58:05

the music, the look and

58:08

feel, the storytelling,

58:11

there is not one aspect

58:13

of this that is below just

58:17

magnificence. It's truly a

58:19

special show. It's really the emotional maturity, which

58:21

is what I think really sells the show

58:23

to because it's not just good entertaining kids

58:25

programming. There is a lot of stuff for

58:27

the parents. The sign in particular, I think,

58:30

also as a parent who uprooted my family

58:32

and moved to a totally different area, that

58:34

is anxiety inducing and terrifying. You

58:37

don't know if you're doing the right thing. I'm

58:40

just vaguely talking about the idea that

58:43

maybe we can move back to New York at some

58:45

point. And my daughter is like, I don't wanna leave

58:47

this house. This is my favorite house. And that's

58:50

going to be tough. And then

58:52

this goddamn episode made it

58:54

a lot tougher. So yeah, there's

58:56

a lot going on. Tremendous

58:59

stuff. If you wanna get Bluey, I mean,

59:01

you can watch the first episode, some of

59:03

the choice ones. Was

59:05

it like sleepy time from the first

59:07

season? But really it's like a few choice

59:09

episodes. And this one will really give you

59:11

a sense of what Bluey does. And this

59:13

is incredible stuff. And you could just feel

59:15

like I was watching on Twitter, everybody was

59:17

watching it during breakfast or early Sunday morning.

59:20

All the parents were like, I don't need this right

59:22

now. Thanks, Bluey. Thanks a lot.

59:24

But yeah, another masterful episode. Good job, guys.

59:28

That's Bluey the sign. And it is

59:30

something that Jeff and Devendra have been

59:32

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right, David, you're on hardware. Hit us up with something you've been watching this

1:00:12

week. Oh, yeah, I finished The

1:00:14

Tokyo Vice season two, which is a show

1:00:18

you guys need to watch. This is

1:00:20

another one of those of like, hey,

1:00:22

there's an incredible thing on TV right

1:00:24

now. Ansel Elgort learned

1:00:26

Japanese over like six months to fluently

1:00:28

even speak in the language. Ken Watanabe

1:00:30

is a cool ass detective in Tokyo

1:00:32

Vice. Like this show is doing some

1:00:34

amazing stuff. It has Michael Mann vibes

1:00:36

because Michael Mann was a, I believe,

1:00:38

an exec producer early on. He did

1:00:40

the pilot. Yeah, he directed the pilot.

1:00:44

Yeah, so season two of Tokyo Vice. I

1:00:46

think season one was a lot of

1:00:48

fun and really interesting and intriguing

1:00:50

because it was essentially about a

1:00:52

Western American man going to be

1:00:54

a journalist at Japan's top newspaper.

1:00:56

And that has never happened before. Based

1:00:59

on the book by Jake Adelstein and, you

1:01:01

know, he is somebody who lived through this

1:01:04

life. Like he reported on the the Yakuza.

1:01:06

He made friends with policemen while he was

1:01:08

there being this like lone Western journalist over

1:01:10

there. And

1:01:12

the show kind of takes that and just

1:01:14

brings in a lot of like really interesting

1:01:16

gangster and Yakuza intrigue. But

1:01:19

also there's a deep side of like journalism

1:01:22

to it too and the power of journalism.

1:01:24

I think season two leans more on that

1:01:26

than season one did. And season two is a lot

1:01:28

more focused. It does more, does better work with some characters

1:01:30

who I think are kind of annoying. There's

1:01:34

a woman named

1:01:36

Samantha Porter, who is

1:01:38

basically a hostess. We

1:01:41

meet her as a hostess in Japanese clubs in

1:01:44

the first season and she becomes a hostess owner

1:01:46

by this season or a club owner. And

1:01:49

I think in the first season her character was all over

1:01:51

the place. Like if I told you what

1:01:53

her backstory was, you

1:01:56

would say it's ludicrous. Like this doesn't belong to TV. This

1:01:58

seems like bad writing. I

1:02:00

think season two even turns around her character and makes

1:02:02

her more interesting and less annoying too. So this

1:02:05

is a tremendous show doing some incredible

1:02:07

stuff on TV and shot entirely pretty

1:02:09

much in Japan except for some episodes

1:02:11

this season. It

1:02:14

is just really good stuff. It has

1:02:16

a lot to say about journalism, but

1:02:18

also shows how journalism

1:02:20

and media works differently in Japan and how the

1:02:22

criminal system works differently. It's also just really compelling

1:02:25

with great actors and it's a lot of fun.

1:02:28

I don't know how many other shows

1:02:30

you can find like Yakuza Gangster singing

1:02:32

Backstreet Boys, just kind

1:02:34

of singing his heart out. It is

1:02:36

definitely the Michael Mann thing of guys

1:02:38

who have feelings. There are a lot

1:02:41

of guys, they have a lot of feelings,

1:02:43

they're all really compelling. You should watch Tokyo

1:02:45

Vice. So season two just ended. It has

1:02:47

not been renewed for a season three. My

1:02:49

understanding is this is a series finale of

1:02:51

the show. There's no confirmation, but the showrunner

1:02:53

J.T. Rogers, I believe, is like, yes, we

1:02:55

have ideas. We know what we can do

1:02:57

if we get more time. This is one

1:02:59

of those things where I hope, even if

1:03:01

Max doesn't do Tokyo Vice, I hope it

1:03:03

gets somewhere else. Because it is such a

1:03:05

unique thing. It's well

1:03:07

worth watching. If you've liked any of my

1:03:09

recommendations along these lines, definitely check out Tokyo

1:03:11

Vice, especially if you're Michael Mann head. All

1:03:15

right, that's Tokyo Vice season two on Max, the

1:03:17

one to watch for HBO. It's something else that Vinger Harder has

1:03:19

been watching. I want to

1:03:21

mention a movie I've been watching

1:03:23

on Netflix called Scoop. I

1:03:26

want to ask you guys this question. What

1:03:29

is the worst interview you've ever done? Personally?

1:03:32

Conducted or given? Either one. But

1:03:34

I will tell you that probably

1:03:37

the worst interview I've ever conducted was,

1:03:40

I believe, Sam Rockwell

1:03:42

promoting Iron Man 2. And

1:03:46

he literally... I don't want to talk

1:03:48

about this. It

1:03:50

was like a 7.30am interview and he literally sounded

1:03:53

like he had just woken up and didn't know

1:03:55

what was... Did not give a

1:03:57

shit about what was actually going on the day. I'm sure he's

1:03:59

a very low- I've

1:04:01

no, but it's just like, he's

1:04:03

doing like 18 of these in one day. The press

1:04:05

mail is not kind to talent. Right, right. So it

1:04:07

was, uh, I was

1:04:10

like, Oh, wow. And you know, you get into it. You're

1:04:12

like, clearly you're not enjoying yourself. Why don't we just stop

1:04:14

this right now? You know, like that's kind of what you

1:04:16

want to say. Um, but you guys

1:04:18

like to get a coffee. Yeah. You guys

1:04:20

have a bad interview that you have given or

1:04:22

received. I

1:04:24

don't know about given. I've definitely, I mean, I've talked

1:04:26

about the Matthew Vaughn one. I've never a couple of

1:04:29

actors like, I don't, you know, they just weren't ready.

1:04:32

Like that's just how it is. So I don't blame them too much. Um,

1:04:35

I think the Matthew Vaughn one was the one where he was just like an

1:04:37

outright jerk. Yeah. So there's that. Yeah.

1:04:41

So not a Jeff, any interview. I'm sure I've done

1:04:43

both. I'm sure I've had, I've definitely been

1:04:45

interviewed by people where I'm like, but

1:04:48

putty, uh, come on. Let's, uh,

1:04:51

let's do it. And I, I'm sure I've,

1:04:53

I've interviewed, I did nothing is leaping to

1:04:55

mind, but I'm sure I've been in excruciating.

1:04:58

Any, you know, the, the whole process of

1:05:00

doing a junket interviews is

1:05:02

just not fun for anybody on

1:05:05

any either side of it. Well, a lot of

1:05:07

times you'll find some nugget of, of, of joy,

1:05:09

uh, and talking to somebody, but oftentimes it's, it's

1:05:11

just sort of boring and

1:05:14

rote. Um, I had

1:05:16

nothing leaps out as a good

1:05:18

anecdote to give you. I apologize. No

1:05:20

worries. Um, well guys, imagine taking

1:05:23

part in an interview that is so terrible

1:05:26

that it makes international

1:05:28

headlines and two separate streaming services

1:05:30

make a movie about that interview.

1:05:34

That's essentially what happened to Prince Andrew in

1:05:36

2019 when he was interviewed, uh, for

1:05:39

news night. And

1:05:41

the purpose of the interview, ostensibly

1:05:44

was to, uh, kind of

1:05:46

come clean with regards to

1:05:49

Prince Andrew's association with Jeffrey

1:05:51

Epstein, the disgraced convicted, now

1:05:53

deceased sex trafficker. Uh,

1:05:56

and so he goes to the interview. Now, do you guys, have you guys have any,

1:05:58

like, your perception of this

1:06:00

interview? Do you know anything about this interview? Oh

1:06:03

yeah, I remember it being a disaster. Yeah, I know

1:06:05

of it, but I don't think I've ever seen it.

1:06:09

It's a fascinating interview and honestly if you are ever interested

1:06:11

in the subject, not saying that you will be in the

1:06:13

near future, just just go watch

1:06:15

the interview. I think that's a better use of time than

1:06:19

watching this movie. This movie is really

1:06:21

only for people who are

1:06:23

really into the crown. If you're into the

1:06:25

crown, this is like a great follow-up

1:06:28

for the crown, we just now over. It's like

1:06:30

a spin-off movie. Right, no, no, no. It's like

1:06:32

a coda to the whole crown

1:06:35

situation. And if you're listening to this

1:06:38

podcast and you enjoy the crown, I

1:06:40

think you will enjoy scoop. But

1:06:43

if you do not, then do

1:06:45

not watch this movie. I don't think it's, it

1:06:47

does not do enough to

1:06:49

kind of hook you

1:06:51

from a, like, just a plain old

1:06:54

movie perspective, but also explain the

1:06:56

context around what was even going on. Like,

1:06:58

you need to kind of know why this

1:07:00

is important at all in order to enjoy

1:07:02

this movie. But yeah,

1:07:05

a couple things to do I mentioned though, Gillian Anderson

1:07:07

is in the movie and she's always great, so it's

1:07:09

great to see her in anything. She plays the journalist

1:07:12

who was interviewing Prince Andrew and she does a great

1:07:14

job and I'm a big fan of Gillian Anderson. Rufus

1:07:18

Sewell played Prince

1:07:21

Andrew. Wild position.

1:07:24

Again, and because he's like Prince Andrew for those who

1:07:26

don't know, it's kind of like a doughy dude

1:07:29

in real life. And Rufus Sewell literally

1:07:31

is like the king of England or something. Not

1:07:35

a doughy dude. And so they use like prosthetics and

1:07:37

I think some kind of suit to make him look

1:07:39

like Prince Andrew. And I have to

1:07:41

say they did an okay job of it. Like

1:07:43

they did a pretty decent job of it. I

1:07:45

heard an interview with him where he was basically

1:07:47

like, you know, I gotta look for roles where

1:07:49

it's not just my looks almost like, cuz he

1:07:51

is so beautiful. Yes, he's a very good-looking man.

1:07:53

He's like, okay, let's let me play doughy and

1:07:55

older. So yeah, so those are some interesting things.

1:07:57

So hard for him. The

1:08:00

like I think I wonder woman who

1:08:02

stars in no three body problem like

1:08:04

on interviews are like everyone says, I'm

1:08:06

to attract others as are lots Yes

1:08:08

I asked my i mean no such

1:08:10

thing blows over I love her everything

1:08:12

and services. She's. Going to be and

1:08:15

I still be in a for sort of

1:08:17

isaac and source of the average user may

1:08:19

be around Ministry of or Gentlemen under Am

1:08:21

only work as well. Sushi within Mr. Mrs.

1:08:23

Smith for one episode. so yes anyway. Ah,

1:08:27

scoop. Not. Not

1:08:29

a great movie but if you like the

1:08:31

crowd you're into the roles of is there

1:08:33

is stuff that we're sick enough I then

1:08:35

you know it's the see where I was

1:08:38

stupid that I went rewards the entire interview.

1:08:40

I mean the most bizarre claim made during

1:08:42

the interview is. It's stuck

1:08:44

with me like all these years

1:08:46

later is there. Is this? A.

1:08:49

Clean. Like this woman accuses him of. Ah,

1:08:52

having sex with her and. While.

1:08:54

She's been trafficked an easy to see. She

1:08:56

describes him as like. You. Know we

1:08:58

went to a nightclub it he he density with

1:09:00

sweaty and disgusting that's what she said about him

1:09:03

and then he said well that's actually not possibly

1:09:05

see because I can't sweat. Because.

1:09:07

I was a sustained an injury during the

1:09:09

Falklands have prevented me from sweating. That was

1:09:11

like. Ah, Well done,

1:09:13

smelly and be a few a d

1:09:15

Not that was like the trump card

1:09:18

of like a ha and mostly ended

1:09:20

up with people's is not believing that

1:09:22

claim system will three seconds very easily

1:09:24

disappear. Really bizarre claim. to me it's

1:09:27

a sling. sorry you had to go

1:09:29

right? Well five and I'm like what

1:09:31

he and others are. It's a real

1:09:33

thing. I think it's called the N

1:09:35

Hydro sister. Suppose it's a real thing.

1:09:38

Can be real? exactly? Very dangerous thing.

1:09:40

Yeah yeah yeah, but like it's. But

1:09:43

the way it came out the tail end of

1:09:45

other similarly yeah lady sounding claims in the next

1:09:47

to them as being a producer on the city

1:09:49

there by went to raise the lamps up a

1:09:51

her has a little more one are over there

1:09:54

of the one of his claim was it could

1:09:56

slip back then apparent yeah sealed now. So oh

1:09:58

one of the things the head. Very

1:10:00

good video by the pay for what was happening

1:10:03

is. About. The interview

1:10:05

that's about the movie that takes a

1:10:07

really nice is ah I guess spoiler

1:10:09

first scoop. But. When

1:10:12

the interview is done. All

1:10:14

the people of the royal family or like

1:10:17

super psyched about as I offer he disagreed

1:10:19

on nailed it like nailed it and then

1:10:21

everyone at the Bbc is like literally like

1:10:24

sitting with like adrenaline because they know they

1:10:26

have got the grew out of their life.

1:10:28

When is this is go We go completely

1:10:30

destroy this person and so they like careful

1:10:33

only transporting the drives that a player in

1:10:35

a leg and fuller him and it's like

1:10:37

he does. you know. If

1:10:40

the way that everly mess up a

1:10:42

press opportunity never heard of it has

1:10:44

has a reminder movies as a as

1:10:46

a separate as shot that's that's going

1:10:48

around his social media right now have

1:10:50

a. Ilan. On the red

1:10:52

carpet in our rights. Of

1:10:54

is everything is he has seen. it was posing.

1:10:57

Moon. I target. Insists. That he

1:10:59

could just tell see things. He see things

1:11:01

as really green nailing rights rights and literally

1:11:03

every other person is like. Or

1:11:06

this is going so viral as a

1:11:08

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Alex Garland Civil War

1:15:18

States. Army.

1:15:24

Forces as well as the. Uprising.

1:15:29

Dealt with swiftly. Let me know sometimes

1:15:31

aren't as aware of it's like a.

1:15:33

Pretty. Huge Civil war going on all

1:15:35

across America. and

1:15:37

south with what we see on the news

1:15:40

like it has a bass. Welcome

1:15:46

to the Film Cast Review of Alex

1:15:48

Garland Civil War. I'm going to be

1:15:51

the plot summary from the Internet In

1:15:53

a dystopian future America, a team of

1:15:55

military embedded journalists races against time to

1:15:58

reach Washington D C before rebel factions

1:16:00

descend upon the White House. Or.

1:16:03

I let's just get into it boasts of in your

1:16:06

heart Or what did you think of this movie? So.

1:16:09

I did love it and I didn't expect

1:16:11

to because I like you guys like I've

1:16:13

been watching the trailer for this guy been

1:16:15

like anticipating like what was coming and let

1:16:18

me to say just the pitch for this

1:16:20

movie Be early! Trailers were just like. That.

1:16:22

As a suffering from my nightmares from later

1:16:24

this year, you know, like that's the stuff

1:16:27

that they could happen around the election time

1:16:29

ages. Feel sick like we're so close to

1:16:31

this. it's almost too soon to even be

1:16:33

exploring an idea like this. and I wondered

1:16:35

if Alex Garland could pull it off. I

1:16:37

think the dude is genius. I've loved pretty

1:16:39

much all of his products except for men.

1:16:41

Men certainly had me worried because that was

1:16:43

sort of like. I think

1:16:45

see had some interesting ideas there. He

1:16:47

thought he was exploring bat better. It

1:16:49

felt like he didn't quite focus on

1:16:52

whatever the main concept of that movie

1:16:54

was supposed to be disrupt little tubes

1:16:56

use for me, where is this I

1:16:58

think is kind of fascinating. I'm. It's.

1:17:01

A horror movie? Like. It's it's It's a

1:17:03

terrifying look at something that feels very possible.

1:17:05

In. America today I'm it's getting a lot of

1:17:08

flak for for being supposedly a political and

1:17:10

I don't think it actually is and we

1:17:12

can talk about some the stuff in spoilers

1:17:14

because I do think like there are things

1:17:16

you can glean from what is being said.

1:17:18

Here are the patrol, who the president and

1:17:20

how things go down. There are. Tidbits:

1:17:23

Of information you could pull here by think what's

1:17:25

interesting is the he does make a movie where.

1:17:28

He. Level What a liberal person or progressive

1:17:30

person was watching this and a conservative

1:17:32

person watching this can both come away

1:17:34

with their own ideas for how maybe

1:17:36

the Civil War came about, the and

1:17:38

how things went down so that it's

1:17:40

kind of interesting. For

1:17:43

me, it's what's really powerful. It's

1:17:45

it's just. It is

1:17:47

about the dehumanization of war. And

1:17:50

I also think it's a somewhat helpful take about.

1:17:52

What the crazy people the

1:17:54

truth tellers and potentially journalists

1:17:57

could do to help. It

1:18:00

is both. Fit. A

1:18:02

movie that's really cynical like that's the thing

1:18:04

is really cynical about the possibility for them

1:18:06

to do that. But these people who I

1:18:08

align myself like I do journalistic work certainly

1:18:10

not to the level of this amount of

1:18:13

work reporter. but I do. Serve.

1:18:15

I believe that. There.

1:18:17

Has to be people who are who are

1:18:19

out there trying to seek out the truth

1:18:21

and trying to share it with everybody with

1:18:24

the added officer a true hope. I don't

1:18:26

know if it's like a actually a thing

1:18:28

but with the hope that maybe the stuff

1:18:30

they document could saints the world or change

1:18:33

people's minds or something I'm I feel like

1:18:35

my me take away from this movie like

1:18:37

wheat we may just be doomed but the

1:18:39

truth sellers will keep trying and in a

1:18:42

weird were found that hopeful. Because.

1:18:44

Right now many things are making me feel

1:18:46

hopeless. Oh yeah, I love this movie. I'm

1:18:48

certainly there's a lot you can argue about

1:18:50

like in terms of what it portrays it.

1:18:52

Definitely it took footage from like I'm in.

1:18:54

I'm conservatives that we don't we don't want

1:18:56

to see stuff from but I also think

1:18:58

like it's a doing really for thing things

1:19:00

here. I will say Alex Garland is not

1:19:02

helping himself with his press to her because

1:19:04

the more he talks about this movie I

1:19:06

think the less. Interesting. His

1:19:09

own ideas are but where he's created

1:19:11

is a fascinating and I think I'm.

1:19:14

At an important work of art for America

1:19:16

today. Wow.

1:19:19

Of se I I agree with you about

1:19:21

the part where it's cynical I kind of

1:19:23

disagree about many of the take was it

1:19:25

depends on how you define hope and what

1:19:28

I find out for i felt I was

1:19:30

then find it I found it incredibly bleed

1:19:32

and not it is blink but if i

1:19:34

like i personally and I have like anti

1:19:36

hope I would argue but anyway. Get.

1:19:39

And ultimately and like we can talk

1:19:41

both rose but I'll i a garland.

1:19:43

Stuff like you look at the end

1:19:45

of X market or something like see

1:19:47

almost looks at something like an alien

1:19:49

looking at humanism rated engine. Hope is

1:19:51

a really strange thing to him, right?

1:19:53

Rent? Just another. Your. Thoughts on

1:19:55

Civil War. will days i

1:19:57

guess you could say my thoughts on

1:19:59

Civil War are best summed up in

1:20:02

the form of a limerick. All

1:20:04

right, let's hear it, Jeff. Actually, I have two. Whoa.

1:20:07

Yeah, I had a hard time this week. Are they warring

1:20:10

limericks, Jeff? Yeah, one on

1:20:12

one side. Oh, it's a blue

1:20:14

limerick and a red limerick. No,

1:20:16

I jest. Here's

1:20:19

the first one. So Garland

1:20:21

makes the decision to never

1:20:23

explain the division. But

1:20:26

when life gives you lemons, just watch

1:20:28

Jesse Plemons. The why ain't

1:20:30

so hard to envision. Uh-huh. Plemons

1:20:35

is real good in this movie. Plemons is real good. Yeah, he

1:20:37

is. He's awesome. Not in

1:20:39

a lot of it. I wonder how you got attached to this movie, right?

1:20:41

Yeah, very good. His wife? Yeah, yeah. What

1:20:44

a power couple those two are. Yeah. What

1:20:46

a second one. If you're keeping political score, the

1:20:48

point is the horrors of war. What

1:20:51

these characters do, their detached point of

1:20:53

view is what I wish

1:20:56

it tried to explore. So

1:21:00

it's fascinating hearing David talk about it. I

1:21:03

also came

1:21:05

away really appreciating

1:21:08

the movie. And I

1:21:11

thought it was an incredible movie and one I'd

1:21:13

recommend people see. It is harrowing.

1:21:16

It is bleak. It is, I

1:21:18

mean, I came out of it depressed.

1:21:23

It is an endurance test in

1:21:25

a lot of ways. The

1:21:27

movie is almost, I

1:21:31

mean, it's a road movie in a

1:21:33

lot of ways. And like any road

1:21:35

movie, even comedic road movies, it's sort

1:21:37

of episodic, right? It's like this thing

1:21:39

happens and then we're in this place

1:21:41

and this thing happens. And it's almost

1:21:43

like a series of short stories that

1:21:45

are interconnected or just sort

1:21:47

of strung together. And

1:21:50

I think each of those little short

1:21:52

stories is extremely powerful and

1:21:55

extremely compelling. Where

1:21:57

I think the movie comes up short for me

1:21:59

is. not in its quote

1:22:02

unquote a political nature or its

1:22:04

lack of sort of coming down on a side I

1:22:07

I think that criticism misses the

1:22:09

point to a certain extent because What

1:22:14

where I think it comes up short is in The

1:22:17

central characters that we are spending the most time with

1:22:19

this in this movie the people who are on that

1:22:21

road trip the

1:22:23

journalists The

1:22:26

movie seems to be playing

1:22:28

at or teasing a An

1:22:34

observation about what it is

1:22:36

to observe right the people

1:22:38

who stand back and Don't

1:22:42

are trying to be impartial and just

1:22:44

observe What's

1:22:46

their role right? What

1:22:49

is what is that notion of? Of

1:22:52

I'm simply here to record it I'm

1:22:54

not going to be involved in it and

1:22:56

where does that line sit and I just

1:22:59

don't think the movie Has

1:23:01

any teeth in that regard right

1:23:03

in that? notion

1:23:05

that it seems to want to wrestle

1:23:07

with this this like how much do

1:23:10

you involve yourself how much how

1:23:12

much of of you is inherently

1:23:15

part of The reporting

1:23:17

how much of you is inherently part

1:23:19

of the observation, but it

1:23:21

never quite gets there for me That

1:23:24

said I don't think that I

1:23:27

came away thinking the movie failed because

1:23:31

everything in it is so Powerful

1:23:34

and so well executed. I mean

1:23:36

it really there are sequences that

1:23:38

will be in my imagination for

1:23:41

a long time that feel so visceral

1:23:43

and moving and intense There

1:23:46

there is an impact to all of it

1:23:49

That is undeniable and

1:23:52

you do feel like you are inside an

1:23:55

all too plausible reality of Violin

1:24:00

It's an aggression and blind

1:24:02

hatred that I do think.

1:24:06

I. Don't know if it's a mirror, but

1:24:08

it's certainly is A. Signal.

1:24:11

Flair in a lot of ways. It's it's

1:24:13

it's a it's a warning sign and. I.

1:24:17

Think for that if it succeeds.

1:24:19

But I don't think on a bike

1:24:21

is kind of pure movie level. It

1:24:25

succeeds. For the

1:24:27

characters that I'm actually following

1:24:29

like it's it's It's more

1:24:31

about the world and and

1:24:33

it really does traffic in.

1:24:36

And I think the. Advertising Campaign:

1:24:38

The marketing campaign around it has

1:24:40

trafficked in. All. Of

1:24:42

the. Unrest that we all

1:24:44

feel no matter what side of the

1:24:46

political aisle your on. A

1:24:50

A, Them and a movie really isn't

1:24:52

that. It's a different thing. It's any.

1:24:54

it is still a powerful thing. And

1:24:56

I think it is still worth seeing and

1:24:59

will. Affect you.

1:25:01

But. In a different way

1:25:04

than what I think is being advertised and

1:25:06

and I and I and separate from that

1:25:08

I think. He kind

1:25:10

of fails on a certain level

1:25:13

of just pure like character. Pay

1:25:17

off. And yet for all

1:25:19

of that, I do think it's a worthwhile

1:25:21

movie. And eight and a. Powerful,

1:25:24

One. Yeah. I mean, the

1:25:26

also gives us a glimpse at how

1:25:29

people who willfully ignore everything happening around

1:25:31

them be sure of how. People.

1:25:34

His will still come together because he

1:25:36

came to have to like. It is

1:25:38

all those facets of what happens when

1:25:40

war hits the country and I think

1:25:42

that perspective of it as I found

1:25:45

really really meaningful. Roy said

1:25:47

that that level of them,

1:25:49

business as usual, were sort

1:25:51

of like the month danity

1:25:53

of Of of War I

1:25:55

think lands. In. A different

1:25:57

way having gone through Cove it.

1:26:00

You know where we all were like

1:26:02

this is Bizarro world but also. I.

1:26:04

Have to pick my kids to the park or what are you know?

1:26:07

whatever to I'm still we still need to like. Have

1:26:09

loved me. You know we have my trailers with

1:26:12

body bags in. I'm in New York City benoit

1:26:14

people are still like going to the coffee shop.

1:26:16

You know that? I've also heard I've been to

1:26:18

places where is more like. A

1:26:20

right. We're not even a think

1:26:22

about it. It's different from even being

1:26:24

in the middle of it acknowledging everything

1:26:26

that's happening but corners of Georgia in

1:26:29

places I've traveled just like our people

1:26:31

just don't didn't care, just completely ignored

1:26:33

it and that this that felt that

1:26:35

ring true as well. I

1:26:38

think the three of us have like.

1:26:41

The same overall reaction to this

1:26:43

movie but like very different specific

1:26:46

reactions like. I also think it's

1:26:48

worth watching. I think there's some

1:26:50

sequences that are really well done.

1:26:54

Alex Garland is really good at directing

1:26:56

kind of horror thriller sequences and he's

1:26:58

pretty good at directing action sequences and

1:27:00

then about nine or not. A lot

1:27:02

of his movies have not been like

1:27:05

accident rate like. Ex

1:27:07

Machina and Man and. And.

1:27:10

Annihilation have not have a ton of

1:27:12

action in them and I listened. Possible

1:27:14

exception, but like there's some like straight

1:27:16

up. Action scenes in this movie

1:27:18

and they are really well done in my

1:27:20

than like thrilling. You're on the edge of

1:27:22

procedure, gripping your chair. you know like just

1:27:24

really well done stuff. Cast

1:27:27

is also great. As you guys have discussed

1:27:29

Kirsten Dunst plays the protagonists and silly. And

1:27:32

See does a really good job of convincing

1:27:34

you that she is a character that has

1:27:36

seen some shit in her life. The Ah

1:27:38

Jessi Clemens. Suits highlight of

1:27:40

the mood for me. You know all

1:27:42

the catholic rid of the like. Overall

1:27:45

unlike. You know, pretty

1:27:47

positive on the movie. But.

1:27:51

I am really irritated by the

1:27:53

thought of as a fan of

1:27:55

a i think that's. i

1:27:58

mostly agree with jeff this

1:28:01

is a movie that is not a, it's

1:28:03

a movie called Civil War. It's not about

1:28:05

the Civil War, like, and that's pretty

1:28:08

weird, I think, to have a movie

1:28:10

to invoke all this imagery, to have

1:28:12

a fascist president and all this stuff

1:28:15

and to invoke all that stuff. And

1:28:17

then to not really have that much

1:28:19

to say about the specific politics in

1:28:22

America that are creating this, the potential

1:28:24

for this situation. Yeah, I've thought about

1:28:26

that. In my opinion, in my opinion.

1:28:29

Now, it is about

1:28:31

other things that are interesting. And

1:28:33

in my opinion, it does a good job of being about

1:28:36

those things. It's about how

1:28:38

war compresses things, right? Like

1:28:40

it's not, when you are

1:28:43

in war, as the characters in this movie are,

1:28:45

no one talks about the specifics because it doesn't really matter,

1:28:48

right? And like that guy is shooting at me. Right. So

1:28:50

I have a guy shooting at me, I got to shoot

1:28:52

at him back. You know, like that's all that matters, right?

1:28:55

And that is like a good

1:28:57

observation and a good insight that like is

1:29:00

worth sort of pulling

1:29:02

out of this. The other thing, as

1:29:05

both of you have mentioned, is that it's

1:29:07

really about the role of the observer and

1:29:09

what that is. And I actually disagree with

1:29:12

Jeff that I think it did a

1:29:14

pretty good job of doing

1:29:16

that. You know, there's a line

1:29:19

early on this film

1:29:21

about what the role of

1:29:23

the war photographer is. And

1:29:25

somebody says like, you know,

1:29:27

there's basically like a young apprentice

1:29:29

in this movie who is like tagging along

1:29:32

with Kirsten Dunn's character. And so,

1:29:34

you know, like why I can't believe you

1:29:36

just took a picture of that, you know, like somebody

1:29:39

says something like that. And then it's like, it's not

1:29:41

like, didn't you want to help? Didn't

1:29:43

you want to do X, you know? And it's like, it's

1:29:45

not our job to ask questions. It's our job to take

1:29:47

the pictures and then let other people ask the questions. Right.

1:29:50

And I think that notion is never interrogated in that. I

1:29:55

think spoilers, Jeff. Yeah, that's where I disagree with

1:29:57

Jeff. There's a thing that happens. But I think

1:29:59

this. This is the movie

1:30:01

is trying to do literally that. The

1:30:04

movie is trying to be like, here is

1:30:06

an imagined scenario of what might

1:30:08

happen and it's up

1:30:10

to you to ask the question. Detach something

1:30:12

else, I'm not gonna tell you what I

1:30:15

think about any of this shit. It's up to you to, you

1:30:17

know, and so, and I, you know, again,

1:30:19

you might find, I find that somewhat

1:30:22

annoying at least for a variety of reasons, but

1:30:24

I do think the movie does a pretty decent job

1:30:27

of like, of being

1:30:29

the observer that the characters in the

1:30:31

movie are as well, so. I would

1:30:33

rather take this than something like a

1:30:35

movie I was thinking of while watching

1:30:37

this is Don't Look Up. You

1:30:40

know, a movie that is specifically like, hey

1:30:42

you, you watching this, you

1:30:44

think this is dumb too? I also think

1:30:46

this is dumb. We both think this is

1:30:49

dumb. And all your worldview, totally supported. I'm

1:30:51

gonna spoon feed ya everything you want. And

1:30:53

to me, that is the dumbest thing you

1:30:55

could do. And I'm very glad this movie

1:30:57

did not even try to do that. Alice

1:30:59

Garland as a director and as a writer

1:31:01

is good at detachment, good at

1:31:04

detaching the characters, I guess,

1:31:06

from, you know, behaviors we typically expect, but

1:31:08

also like good at detaching himself as an

1:31:10

artist too. It's a tough thing

1:31:12

to deal with. And I will say like, I don't, there

1:31:15

are things you can read into what is in

1:31:17

the movie, but it's just not spelling it all

1:31:19

out for you. You know, like there are things

1:31:22

we can talk about, about the president that is

1:31:24

in this movie played by Nick Offerman. So

1:31:27

let's get the spoiler. Let's talk about some of this

1:31:29

stuff. Yeah, go ahead, Jeff. Let me just say, you

1:31:31

know, I don't, you guys know,

1:31:33

I don't agree with the characterization of don't

1:31:35

look up as being as insipid as you

1:31:37

do. But that said, I

1:31:39

do agree with the general

1:31:41

observation there, which is

1:31:43

I do think that a

1:31:45

lot of people, at least sort of

1:31:47

in the comment sphere,

1:31:51

have taken this movie to

1:31:53

task for like not echoing their personal

1:31:55

worldview back at them. And

1:31:58

I, I

1:32:00

do think that is to this movie's credit

1:32:02

that it isn't doing that and I think that it's

1:32:04

a really interesting It's a

1:32:06

really interesting line to walk that exactly

1:32:09

what you're saying Dave, which is Garland is

1:32:11

doing the thing the characters in his

1:32:14

movie are attempting to do which is

1:32:16

hey isn't all of this absurd isn't

1:32:19

All of this horrible, you know and and

1:32:21

any way you slice it if we get

1:32:23

to this point and we're almost to this

1:32:26

point This

1:32:28

is all gone horribly wrong and I think that's

1:32:31

you know, I think that's don't agree Yeah, I

1:32:33

mean, you know, there's a lot of disagreements going

1:32:35

on in the podcast today. That's cool But like

1:32:37

I don't agree that like certainly

1:32:39

not my main issue is that it does

1:32:41

not echo my worldview My issue

1:32:43

is the movie does

1:32:45

not have a worldview despite

1:32:48

invoking extremely loaded imagery and

1:32:50

concepts, right? If

1:32:52

it had a worldview then I could

1:32:54

at least respect it more But

1:32:57

the problem I think is that the

1:32:59

loaded concepts Sort

1:33:01

of the baggage of it Assumes

1:33:05

a worldview. Mm-hmm, right? But

1:33:07

the movie just isn't interested in that. It's doing something

1:33:09

completely different I so I again I have more to

1:33:12

say of this one. Let's get the spoilers Okay, then

1:33:14

we'll talk about so let's get the spoilers for this

1:33:16

But I just want to say I don't agree with

1:33:18

Jeff's characterization of like that. That's my

1:33:20

one of my main I'm not I'm not a true

1:33:22

man. That's you. Okay. Yeah, I'm it's here. Sure. Sure.

1:33:24

I specifically All right.

1:33:26

Well, anyway, let's get the spoilers for this movie starting right

1:33:29

now This

1:33:31

does have an ending for my book. It

1:33:33

makes no damn sense Pills

1:33:35

me though. I didn't come here to tell you how this

1:33:37

is going to end But I'm my new book.

1:33:39

I always read the last page first that way

1:33:41

in case I'd not be worth finishing And how

1:33:43

it is you can't handle the truth It's conceivable

1:33:45

that came here to tell you how it's going

1:33:47

to begin Uh,

1:33:52

all right I mean I am Like

1:33:56

I Think that. The

1:34:00

idea of only it doesn't matter how we

1:34:02

got here like it's all about like that's

1:34:04

that's little literally I think what the movie

1:34:06

is I don't I don't think that's her

1:34:08

focus. I don't think this basis I'm Alan

1:34:10

you Vm app that the base of the

1:34:12

release of. A. Who the different

1:34:14

factions in the Civil War are is like.

1:34:17

Really? Hard to square with. What?

1:34:19

Is actually goes on American rhetoric so

1:34:21

it's like. California and

1:34:24

Texas other western forces and like it's

1:34:26

like really with they've really be united

1:34:28

as if this was actually happened roof

1:34:30

and there's like a southern alliance with

1:34:32

I for another man. I think it's

1:34:34

nonsense. Like my opinion is, it's nonsense

1:34:36

and ah well as a lot. Yeah.

1:34:38

That allows you to. Not

1:34:41

pay attention to be specifics of the movie and

1:34:43

focus more on the sofa We already talked about

1:34:45

like what is the role the war photographer? What

1:34:47

is the impact of war? How do people benefit

1:34:49

profit from more? How to people tell stories? But

1:34:52

we're like. That. That's ultimately what

1:34:54

of the movie ends up being. I think

1:34:56

importantly the movie itself does not do much

1:34:58

of that explaining right. They talk about wrecked

1:35:00

the western front but you have to look

1:35:02

at like the marketing materials or Garland don't

1:35:04

like exploits of the things that I am

1:35:06

honestly like Ives, I've seen some of that.

1:35:08

I disagree. I think the movie work better.

1:35:11

As the saying he created without any

1:35:13

the background because I can think of

1:35:15

separated because. What? We

1:35:17

are watching. Humor in Spoilers

1:35:19

is I'm we're seeing a

1:35:21

Trump coded President. Leading

1:35:23

America into a third term. Several.

1:35:26

States separating be like we. We cannot

1:35:28

support this insanity. That president what we

1:35:30

know in the movie has attacked American

1:35:33

civilians with airstrikes in other things. So

1:35:35

other. Some. Parts of America

1:35:37

are responding to that, so I don't think it

1:35:39

is entirely like doesn't matter how we got here.

1:35:42

The. Fit the things you can like.

1:35:44

read from it is. We're. Introduced

1:35:46

to this guy like trying to I'm

1:35:48

where his speech right working In a

1:35:51

speech about the the the biggest. The

1:35:53

biggest. The compliments accomplishment in history or

1:35:55

something. We were coming up with big

1:35:58

words to talk about. The thing. You're

1:36:00

doing and I find you know.

1:36:03

I found that from coated in and tell

1:36:05

it's just the it feels like that is

1:36:07

kind of how we got here, but he

1:36:09

doesn't need to be like saying exactly like.

1:36:12

This guy is your trumpet l degrade.

1:36:14

The skies are trump parallel. You still feel

1:36:16

this way about it. It's more like were

1:36:19

responding to everything he's doing. Other things he's

1:36:21

done I think are like legitimately in

1:36:23

the film. I says it's not

1:36:25

about of i'm reacting in this way it

1:36:27

or not a bad point of your and

1:36:29

also like you could also bring up to

1:36:31

supplements character who I think is clearly coded

1:36:33

as like a white nationalist right? like it's

1:36:36

and and like it's the movie has those

1:36:38

things like or but they're very around the

1:36:40

edges and as you said like. It's

1:36:42

it's so much you and you can read and you

1:36:44

know and like create a whole version of it but

1:36:46

like good that's you is of you're bringing that And

1:36:48

I did either. I don't think this is thoroughly through

1:36:50

I think I'm looking or at. I'm just

1:36:52

looking at the text there. I mean, we aren't

1:36:55

yet. We are reading into the things into the

1:36:57

tax, but I think that's what's fascinating about a

1:36:59

movie like this. and being truly observation right like

1:37:01

be seen with some. I think one of the

1:37:04

most compelling scenes in this movie is the one

1:37:06

about when they are trapped behind the trucks and

1:37:08

there are those two soldiers. The. Snipers

1:37:10

and that's places like we. we

1:37:12

kind of don't know exactly why

1:37:14

this is happening but for their

1:37:16

suiting us we gotta shoot them.

1:37:18

Also passing the see like they're

1:37:20

they're dress with like colored hair

1:37:22

and painted painted nails and stuff

1:37:25

too like we don't know what

1:37:27

to read about those soldiers the

1:37:29

clearly like they have. yeah they're

1:37:31

not like we would imagine that

1:37:33

has been sold or something so.

1:37:36

I think the movies selling of things in a

1:37:38

lot of ways but it's not being explicit about

1:37:40

it and that's I mean that's a problem that

1:37:42

can be from to I think honestly that. The.

1:37:46

Ina were who is? It's it's

1:37:48

natural because them marketing trafficked in

1:37:50

this and yes and leveraged. It's

1:37:52

it's natural. the think of this

1:37:54

is trying to tell us what.

1:37:57

The. Day after tomorrow looks like thrive. This

1:37:59

is the. Is a plausible.

1:38:02

You know, Near. Future.

1:38:05

Ah, Horror Horror Show.

1:38:07

But. The Movie. Is

1:38:09

really attempting to establish a

1:38:11

fictional world that does not.

1:38:14

Does. Does not. Pattern.

1:38:16

Onto our world just a in any

1:38:18

in any way And I think that.

1:38:21

I totally understand how that can be frustrating

1:38:23

to you Dave and I think freshly into

1:38:25

a lot of people and for me at

1:38:27

a certain point I just sort of. Let.

1:38:30

That go and realize ultimately just

1:38:33

isn't interested in commenting on the.

1:38:37

Our world. Are. World

1:38:39

in that regard, World Specific.

1:38:41

Political. Environment Retirement

1:38:44

Exactly right? Yeah, it really

1:38:46

is making a sort of

1:38:48

broader points. That.

1:38:51

I'm. Not even sure is one hundred

1:38:54

percent successful. But Right is. Is it? It's

1:38:56

it's it's a difference. It's a different movies

1:38:58

and everything about it would lead you to

1:39:00

believe yes, which is either. In Part of

1:39:03

the problem is that. They. Were

1:39:05

so the marketing team was certainly happy

1:39:07

to ride the wave of yes so

1:39:09

soul. Oh here we go. This is

1:39:11

the movie that's going to tell his

1:39:13

was all going to be like if

1:39:15

that's not that this is not that

1:39:18

movie at all. Yeah, I'm the movie

1:39:20

mother We gotta be minus cinema score

1:39:22

which is. Pretty rough, you

1:39:24

know, like a lot of doing incredibly well at

1:39:26

the box office. We are. Let's see what the

1:39:28

second week in numbers are like, you know? but

1:39:30

I think I think that it's it's one of

1:39:32

the twenty fourth most successful box of his movies.

1:39:34

yes and I can't discount that. I don't know

1:39:36

work. I saw a messenger your religious with the

1:39:38

drops going to be because I don't like a

1:39:40

lot of people, just saw the market can be

1:39:42

thought it would be about this and it's really

1:39:44

not about that, you know in mud or it

1:39:46

and so. but I know that's what's kind of.

1:39:48

Ask me what I would rather have this then

1:39:50

a street. A Polemic, writings. That's my major thing.

1:39:52

I went into theater. To see this and

1:39:54

it was them. One of the more

1:39:56

crowded screenings I been in for something

1:39:59

that about like a ten thirty pm

1:40:01

on a Saturday or know, Friday screaming

1:40:03

and. I. Live in Georgia. I.

1:40:05

Don't know what people are. assuming.

1:40:07

I don't know what they're coming in. See.

1:40:10

I'm surrounded by like to send different. Gun.

1:40:13

Clubs and shooting ranges and things like that.

1:40:15

like I see Trump flags everywhere in my

1:40:17

neighborhood, all over the place. If. I.

1:40:20

Was thinking how weird. To.

1:40:23

Have a movie where we can all come in. Maybe.

1:40:25

They don't feel like conservatives will

1:40:27

not feel specifically attacked. The.

1:40:29

Maybe it's sparks an idea. You.

1:40:32

Know in them about something like to me

1:40:34

that is powerful in interesting is interesting. We

1:40:36

can often come to this movie only maybe

1:40:38

have our own interpretations of things like they

1:40:41

reference and and chief A Massacre. And.

1:40:43

And all they say yeah, is that

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a massacre oven to have a T