0:00

I'm Missa Green for example. I'm already upset.

0:02

When I find my ball in the bunker,

0:04

I'm really upset. And when I find my

0:06

ball in a fried egg. Fried egg. The

0:08

dreaded fried egg. Fried egg. Fried egg. Fried

0:10

egg. Fried egg. Fried egg lie. I'm about ready

0:12

to run off the golf course. Welcome

0:35

back to another edition of the

0:38

fried egg golf podcast. Today's episode,

0:40

it's going to be me and

0:42

Joseph Lamania talking about, you

0:44

know, doing an early look at the Masters,

0:47

a little bit on the golf course and a little bit

0:50

on the players as we had into. I

0:52

mean, we're six weeks away from

0:54

the Masters, really, really close.

0:57

So just doing an early look, early

0:59

talk on the Masters as we head

1:02

into the Florida swing here on the

1:04

PGA tour. Also

1:06

talk a little bit about the golf course.

1:08

There were some changes, rather

1:10

small changes, but could play

1:12

some, could have some significance

1:15

in the championship. But

1:17

first, Joseph, what are you in

1:19

on this week? This

1:22

isn't something new, Andy, but I'm in on

1:24

the walk and talks. Did

1:26

you see the Matt Wallace

1:28

walk and talk on Saturday at the Mexico open

1:30

right after he hit it in the water, right?

1:33

It was awesome. Yeah. He's he's

1:36

got like a pretty demanding approach

1:38

shot and rinses it hits

1:40

it into the water. He had, he'd talked a little bit about what

1:42

he was going to try to do on the shot, hits

1:44

it in the water, and then has to put the air pods

1:46

back in and kind of talk through what

1:49

went wrong. And I think it may

1:51

be more compelling to listen to a player talk

1:53

through what went wrong while he's

1:55

in contention of the tournament than to

1:58

see somebody hit a shot to 30 feet. and

2:00

just have a casual, easy conversation. So

2:02

I thought it was endearing. Matt

2:04

Wallace came across really well. And

2:07

Brad Faxon made the point that obviously

2:09

he's self-interested in making this point,

2:11

but it came across genuine. These are great

2:13

opportunity for players to show a little bit

2:15

of their personality, earn some

2:18

fans, and spruce up a Saturday

2:20

slow broadcast. So I thought it

2:22

was great. I

2:24

was, you know, maybe

2:26

they should start to do players at

2:28

the bottom of the leaderboard rather than

2:30

players at the top. On Friday afternoon,

2:33

who's in last place, seek them out

2:35

and talk to them about their week.

2:38

You're joking, but I mean, talking

2:41

to somebody that you wouldn't expect them to

2:43

talk to, I think is interesting. And if

2:45

you always pick guys in contention, maybe they're

2:47

gonna be a little more focused and not,

2:50

you know, express some of their personality as much.

2:52

So I honestly think you're kinda onto something there

2:54

with going off the board a little bit. Well,

2:57

I mean, the

2:59

reality is if you're at the top of

3:01

the leaderboard, a lot of things are going

3:03

well. Like you're in full control of your

3:05

game. I mean, Jake

3:08

Knapp obviously only hit two fairways.

3:10

That was beaten into the ground on

3:12

Sunday. But he led the tournament

3:15

in approach play. So, and he

3:17

hits the ball really far. So what

3:21

is there to talk about really? Like, oh yeah, I'm

3:23

not, maybe not hitting the driver as well as I

3:25

have the rest of the week, but I'm still hitting

3:28

great approach shots. And, you

3:31

know, that's the thing is that there

3:33

is, especially on Saturday, I think

3:37

there'll be, maybe they expand it, do

3:39

more walk and talks. I don't know how

3:41

much more production this takes. I imagine it's

3:43

like a little bit, but like this

3:46

seems like something simple to do on

3:48

Fridays and Thursdays that could, you

3:51

know, add some interest on

3:53

telecast days that are a little dull.

3:55

Yeah, or do a little research and

3:57

figure out that this guy's close on.

4:00

Aeon swing five and ask them, Hey, do you even know

4:02

like what you would need to finish this week to finish

4:04

in the top in the Aeon swing five? Like I think

4:06

if you do a little bit of research and pick the

4:08

right names, the product can be really good. So that's what

4:10

I'm in on. Andy, what are you in on this week?

4:13

I am in on AK's

4:15

return. This is a lukewarm in,

4:18

am I in on how it's

4:20

happening? Where it's happening? No.

4:24

Am I in on the premise of AK coming

4:26

back and playing golf for the first time in

4:29

12 years? Yes. I

4:32

am, I've kind of, it's kind of a

4:34

tepid in here. I think I've

4:36

been thinking about like, do I want

4:38

to jump in? I'm not jumping in

4:40

head first, but I am dipping my

4:42

toe in on the AK return. I'm

4:45

just super curious. With

4:48

all the real, the only other golfer, like

4:51

big time golfer that we've seen

4:53

have a super extended break from

4:55

golf as tiger. We've

4:57

seen the rust be an issue, but we've seen him

4:59

return to form. I

5:01

think this is fascinating. This is going to be fascinating

5:04

in terms of a lot of people. We

5:06

did a podcast about a month ago

5:08

about AK really dove in deep. A

5:11

lot of people are now saying AK wasn't

5:13

a great player. AK

5:16

was a very, very good player. He was

5:18

a great player in a short sample size.

5:23

He didn't play, he didn't have a 10 year

5:25

career, but his highs were very

5:28

high. That

5:30

being said, I'm just, I'm

5:32

fascinated about how his

5:34

game ages. Do

5:37

I think like if he doesn't play well,

5:39

I'm not going to be really, I'm not

5:41

going to care after three events, but

5:44

I think this is actually something

5:47

that I'm going to be interested in

5:49

watching from Liv, which is a rare

5:51

thing to say about Liv. Yeah,

5:53

I was going to ask you, I mean, I'm in on it too,

5:56

Andy. Where would he have to finish

5:58

on this leaderboard for you to have a takeaway? either

6:01

in either direction I

6:03

think like 24 or better yeah

6:06

top half of the field I

6:08

think there there's there's

6:10

15 really good players on

6:13

on life yeah maybe 20

6:15

really good players without just just thinking

6:18

through so I

6:20

think if he finishes in in

6:23

the realm of like I even think like if

6:25

he if he finishes 30 and there's

6:27

a really good round it's

6:31

an encouraging sign I

6:33

kind of think we're gonna be looking at like 40 40

6:36

finishes if I had to guess I mean

6:40

what would you set the over under on his

6:42

finish at for if you were gonna

6:44

really that's a good question I I

6:46

was trying to think of other situations

6:48

that are sort of like this there's

6:50

no it's 12 years off

6:53

well the real cover I was thinking in

6:55

my head like where is he compared to Michael block

6:57

like all jokes aside like that would be kind of

7:00

an interesting matchup I think

7:02

over under just needs to get blocky

7:05

yeah I think an over under for

7:07

a Anthony Kim this week is like 48 right no

7:11

there's 40 there's 50 guys

7:13

in the field what is

7:16

it 56 because it's

7:18

the 56 yeah cuz they have 13 teams

7:20

now I'm not kidding like

7:22

it does I actually think it's near the

7:25

bottom I mean it's 48 crazy you think

7:27

he's gonna be 10 guys I think it's I think

7:29

it's like I think it's 40 40.5 I'll slam the

7:31

over on 40

7:34

and a half I

7:37

think he's finishing worse than 41st place

7:40

you know a lot of things have happened

7:43

in the 12 years since a K has

7:45

been gone and Blandy is riding a top

7:47

14 streak he's

7:50

never had to go up against Dick Bland

7:53

this is a fun one I'm gonna set the over under at 48 and

7:56

that might sound crazy 48 you set it at 40

7:58

we'll see what happens 47 and a

8:00

half. You got to get on the, on the half a half. All

8:02

right. All right. I'll go under,

8:06

I'll go under. You could take over. Deal.

8:10

All right. What are you out on Andy?

8:12

I'm out on court storming, which may

8:14

not sound golf, but I'm getting there

8:17

on Saturday night. Duke wake

8:19

forest basketball fans rush

8:21

the court ends up hurting.

8:23

One of the star players on Duke don't

8:26

know how serious the injury is, but tweaked his

8:28

knee and had, he was kind of limping off

8:30

the court. And this is going to sound

8:32

again, like an old, old man yelling at

8:34

the clouds. But I think in

8:36

golf, we've had these break contain situations

8:38

a couple of times over the last

8:40

few years, major

8:42

championships, the Phil Mickelson one, which you were

8:45

a part of that stampede. I

8:48

was part of both. I was part of

8:50

the St. Andrew's one too. St.

8:52

Andrew's we had the East Lake one

8:55

with tiger. They did it at the US

8:57

open last year. I think

8:59

that is close to Windham Clark, but the fans came

9:01

running around. I'm out on that. I

9:04

think eventually like that can

9:06

go wrong, especially when people have been drinking.

9:08

I think there does need to be some

9:10

protection for players. You can't protect every player.

9:12

Like there's so many guys spread out across

9:15

the course that fans are going to get

9:17

close to them. It's really hard, but the

9:19

break contained thing on 18 when you have

9:21

a stampede I'm out on that. And I

9:23

think this, hopefully this court storming

9:25

on Saturday night was a wake up

9:27

call to all sports leagues that

9:30

when you have a bunch of fans rushing at athletes,

9:32

it can actually get pretty unsafe. So I'm out on

9:34

that. Hope it doesn't happen at majors this year. I

9:38

think Brooks actually got dinged at

9:41

the Kiawa one. He talked

9:43

about it after like somebody hit his knee and

9:46

that was the thing. Everybody was focused on

9:48

Phil in that moment. Brooks had

9:50

a chance to win and none

9:53

of the problem is there's no way to

9:55

stop it in golf. No,

9:59

I mean security. Are you need to stop

10:01

of a horde of people? The worst charge

10:03

the whole. I think we need to think

10:05

about that. I

10:07

just don't think they have enough volunteers. Bit.

10:11

Yeah it's it's would have been a part of

10:13

to of of I just I don't know how

10:15

you stop it I hear you. but if it

10:18

happens in somebody gets hurt they're gonna figure out

10:20

a way to to make sure it doesn't happen

10:22

again. So I think they should get out as

10:24

as volga stop it. I don't know how basketball

10:26

skills and other to have to impose fines. Not

10:28

every not every court or every conference has fines

10:30

for storm in the coroner think that's probably an

10:33

effective way so I don't know the solution is

10:35

involved if it's more security. but I do think

10:37

this is the type of thing that no one

10:39

thinks is a big deal until it happens. And

10:41

then everyone reacts to it. Almost like the

10:43

Phoenix open in that getting out of control

10:45

like athletes do need to be protected. eighty?

10:48

What are you out on? I am

10:50

out on the rules of golf

10:52

and their applications at professional level,

10:54

at the Pj Tour level and

10:56

particular this weekend we had as

10:58

as situations. This weekend at at

11:00

at Mexico we had a situation

11:02

with a boundary. Ah line

11:04

sh Tim got a free drop. Arm.

11:07

In the final group on Sundays, savvy

11:09

well Maki took an unplayable. Ah,

11:13

I. Just think this is insane that

11:15

they were in basically the same situation

11:18

in two different outcomes. Happened because one

11:20

guy claim that he was gonna play

11:22

a ridiculous shot from over the fence.

11:25

Ah, I

11:28

just think that a need to

11:30

be some uniformity of this right?

11:33

It is a struggle with rules

11:35

and I've really. Than.

11:37

Be A struggles with refereeing and

11:39

will be they want to go

11:41

to like they were. People want

11:43

robot umpires? Ah, I'm the Nfl.

11:45

There's constant complaints about what is

11:48

and what isn't holding. this

11:50

is the a struggle but at a

11:52

golf level i think there should be

11:54

like an equitable way to three every

11:56

one arm there's i i don't necessarily

11:58

I think there should be like an,

12:01

oh, gotcha. I know the rules a

12:03

little bit better than you when there's

12:05

a rules official right there administering the

12:07

rule. I think like the

12:10

aspect of understanding the rules to

12:12

help yourself is, is a good

12:14

thing when it's a situation where

12:16

you're out on your own. It's

12:18

like, Hey, I'm going to take a drop

12:20

from here because this is impeding my swing.

12:23

I just don't like the

12:25

general idea of using the

12:27

rules to, to

12:30

gain an advantage on the field. I

12:32

don't think that's a good motive

12:36

for players to be charged with.

12:38

And then it puts the referees in

12:41

this place where they're enablers and they

12:43

look bad and the whole sports league

12:45

looks bad. And that's what happened. Like

12:47

all of golf looked ridiculous

12:49

on Sunday. And I, you know,

12:52

thankfully it was a low stakes event, Mexico

12:54

open, but had this happened in

12:56

like a us open, it would have been insane.

12:59

So Valamaki doesn't get a free drop,

13:01

but SH Kim gets a free drop

13:04

because he just basically lies to the

13:06

rules official that he's going to play

13:08

a preposterous shot from the other side

13:10

of the fence. Um,

13:12

so anyways, that is

13:14

what I'm out on. I just

13:16

think that, um, if there's

13:18

a rules official, it was the same rules official

13:21

there. He should have

13:23

said something to Valamaki and he had

13:26

to be thinking, Oh man,

13:28

this is the same exact situation as

13:30

Thursday. Couple of

13:33

things. Yeah. So SH Kim's on

13:35

Thursday, basically it seems like the,

13:37

what happened is the, the Sandy area to the right

13:39

of the cart path is considered part of

13:42

the cart path. So if he, why, why is that?

13:44

That's crazy. They're part of the totally

13:46

crazy sand with you, with you. So

13:49

his ball is underneath the fence and he basically says

13:51

that he would want to play it sideways and go

13:53

on the other side of the fence. Therefore he's standing

13:55

on the cart path and that's why he gets relief.

13:57

I believe is, is the true ruling. I

14:00

think needs to be ask is why would he try

14:02

to hit it sideways. That's. Going

14:04

to put him in the same spot. As

14:06

if he were to take unplayable with a stroke.

14:08

So why was I? Think there should have been

14:11

some pushback from the rules official on why would

14:13

you attempt that? sucks you're not going to get

14:15

closer to the whole or. Like

14:17

if it seems like a highly unlikely

14:19

shot that a player would attempt, he

14:21

wouldn't have. This is a saying.

14:24

The Rise official these be like you would

14:26

never play that shot yes of the scenes

14:28

and been considered part of the path. I

14:30

don't think that. I would maybe

14:32

disagree a little bit. I don't think the

14:34

rules officials spoke to help Vala, I know

14:36

he's as opposed to I'm just saying it's

14:38

it's just. Like. This idea

14:40

of manipulation of the rules.

14:43

Is is a bad thing to go

14:45

down and where you have players signed

14:48

and like I gotcha The rules

14:50

officials constantly like I mean we

14:52

see others were guys are just asking

14:54

for free drops all over the

14:56

place. And then they get

14:58

almost upset if they don't like the

15:00

entitlement of the drop rate. In

15:03

another thing it he added of this it's

15:05

priority one but some of the players who.

15:07

English. Isn't their first language like.

15:10

For hims I'd almost be at a competitive

15:12

disadvantage because they say go back and forth

15:14

with the rules official sometimes on like what

15:16

are all of my options and yeah, what

15:18

a plate is ridiculous shot from across the

15:20

fence like. That's. A small thing,

15:22

but that honestly is relevant. So I'm with you,

15:25

trying to game the rules by some kind of

15:27

conversation with the official. It was. It was absurd.

15:29

Ball Maki probably could have gotten a free drop

15:31

as he'd asked for it, and that's crazy. I

15:35

don't you know is this is like her.

15:37

A departure from the tradition of the game

15:40

but at the highest level with millions of

15:42

dollars at stake like the Pj tour. Said

15:45

the rules officials just be. The.

15:48

People that make them rulings, It

15:52

be huge change. And.

15:55

It's not anymore the

15:57

players. Asking. Or.

16:00

And and maybe you have. You know this

16:02

is the thing they they're They've got a

16:04

big cash infusion into the game. Is there

16:06

are walking rules? Official? that does. You know

16:09

I. Scoring. And and

16:11

rules for each group. At.

16:14

Every tournament. Is. That a feasible

16:16

thing for up to be on. I don't

16:19

think that's necessarily the answer, but I think

16:21

there are situations like this where sand is

16:23

being considered part of the cart path is

16:25

kind of the problem here like. That's

16:28

that's a crazy way to set that

16:30

whole up. And we could have easily

16:32

avoided all of this by just not having the

16:34

sand to be considered part of the cart path

16:36

so I don't have any to overall overhaul to

16:38

how these rulings are made. I don't. I think

16:40

it's worth exploring that option, but just doesn't. Having

16:42

that Sanders part of the cart path was the

16:44

problem. Or. right? Let's

16:46

get into our masters conversation. But

16:48

first I can alone now so

16:50

to make I'm pretty excited about

16:53

this. Ah, I'm Brendan,

16:55

poor s myself, Matt, Ruses and

16:57

Cameron Heard from our team. Are.

17:00

Embarking on a a big trip

17:02

to Northern Ireland next week. Ah,

17:04

I've been dying to see. Ah,

17:07

Northern Ireland Golf ah my list and club

17:09

Cfp of like courses I want to see

17:11

this year I didn't know as can be

17:13

doing this trip at that time. I

17:15

am. I put like the number one course I

17:18

want to see. This year was Royal County Down.

17:21

So we are seeing the best a

17:23

of golf in Northern Ireland. We're gonna.

17:25

We're gonna sit in some. Hidden

17:27

gems as well. We're going see

17:29

Royal County Down aren't glass? Ah,

17:31

Royal Portrush. Port Stewart, Castle

17:33

Rock and then we're going to kind

17:36

of fit in. some of the coastal

17:38

courses that are are fly little bit

17:40

under the radar. I'm super excited about

17:42

it. I'm also really excited immerse myself

17:44

in the culture see some of the

17:46

other sites are it? It just looks

17:48

like a stunning place. So I will

17:50

be going to Northern Ireland. next

17:53

week i cannot wait to really ah

17:55

i'm i think it's one of the

17:57

things to as love doing the research

18:00

of a trip and putting together a

18:02

trip. One of the things

18:04

I thought about a lot is there aren't a

18:06

lot of places that you

18:09

can play two courses

18:11

of the standard of Royal

18:14

Port Rush and Royal

18:16

County Down in terms of the way they're thought

18:18

of across the world. One

18:21

of the neat things too with them

18:23

is they're both connected to really

18:25

it seems like vibrant towns. So

18:28

what I love about this trip is

18:31

that you can kind of limit your

18:33

driving time. It's mostly on highways

18:36

and we are staying

18:38

in Newcastle and Port Rush but like

18:40

we're staying there for significant periods of

18:42

time. So I can't wait for this

18:45

trip and

18:47

there'll be a lot more on this

18:49

podcast feed as well as the Shotgun

18:51

Start and on the website

18:54

about our trip and socials. So buckle

18:57

up and pay attention to the Northern

18:59

Ireland stuff that's gonna be coming down

19:01

the pipe. Joseph let's talk about the

19:03

Masters. Let's start with the course.

19:07

What are your thoughts on the golf course from just

19:09

you know you look at courses a little bit different

19:11

than I do or Garrett does.

19:13

What are your thoughts on the Masters and what

19:15

stands out to you about Augusta National? Yeah

19:18

super excited to do this Andy because I don't think

19:20

you and I have really talked that much about Augusta

19:22

as a golf course. You've been there

19:24

multiple times and played it. So excited

19:27

to get into it. I think I do have a different view on

19:29

Augusta than a lot of people.

19:31

I think what always gets thrown around is that

19:33

it's a bombers course and you can just spray

19:35

it. I actually disagree with that

19:37

and I don't think that I think

19:40

that narrative is overblown. So personally

19:43

I find Augusta to be much more demanding off

19:45

of the tee than it's often given credit for

19:47

and you haven't have to keep the ball in

19:49

play. A lot of holes out there. If

19:52

you miss by a little bit there's a little bit

19:54

of a penalty and if you miss by a lot

19:56

you start to get into problems. I think the first

19:58

hole is a great example of that. where if

20:00

you spray it right or left, like you can

20:02

start to bring some big numbers into play. So

20:04

I was curious from your perspective, Andy, when you

20:07

played it for the first time last year, did

20:09

you find it more demanding off the tee than

20:11

you expected? Because that's something that when I talk

20:13

to players, they tend to agree with me on

20:15

that it's more demanding off the tee than it's

20:17

given credit for. So I really wanted to get

20:20

your perspective on that. I

20:23

always find in a way when

20:25

you're under the gun, the

20:29

more demanding tee shots can almost

20:31

be easier because they narrow your

20:33

focus. So if you

20:35

have like water right and

20:38

bunkers left, you might

20:40

look at that whole like what I usually will say

20:42

to myself is like, you know what, you

20:45

just got to make a great swing. And

20:47

that actually frees me up to just make

20:50

a great swing. Where golf gets you is

20:52

when they prey on your weakness, like

20:54

when you prey on your

20:56

uncomfortable feelings. So

20:59

when you say to yourself, and I think

21:01

like the best players in the world are

21:04

so great at this. They know where

21:06

they can miss, but they also know

21:08

sometimes they just have to hit a

21:10

great shot. With Augusta, what

21:13

I found interesting was I was like

21:15

really nervous to play last year. It's

21:18

like one of those rounds where it felt

21:21

like I was playing like a state am

21:23

when I teed off because I was nervous

21:25

about playing Augusta. This is a course you

21:27

dreamed about playing your whole life. Like you

21:29

get these nerves. And I think people probably

21:31

like, so when you play a great course

21:33

in your area, you're a little uncomfortable that

21:35

like you've been really wanting to play in

21:37

a while. And what I noticed

21:39

was I played really

21:41

well the whole thing. I drove it well. And

21:43

the whole thing, I didn't drive it well. I

21:46

struggled with like that was a

21:48

very, you know, and I think like

21:50

I was playing obviously a persimmon driver.

21:52

I think everybody's probably heard that the

21:54

list of this podcast, but like

21:56

it was a smaller head. And

21:58

when I get a little quick, I miss tee

22:01

shots out to the right and

22:03

I missed a lot of tee

22:05

shots early and my score reflected

22:08

that. Like, particularly a

22:10

whole perfect example is I hit

22:12

it right on five. And

22:15

that is a very wide corridor,

22:19

but if you miss the

22:21

corridor, you're in a lot of trouble. Like

22:24

I was punching out sideways. I made a double

22:26

there. I punched it

22:28

out sideways. I think I hit a good punch shot,

22:30

had a third shot, then I three-pudded. So

22:33

the way I think like

22:35

what happens at Augusta in

22:38

particular is that mistakes compile.

22:40

And the key to Augusta when you

22:42

get out of position is the number

22:45

one thing is understanding you're

22:47

out of position and

22:49

getting your next shot back into a

22:51

position to avoid big numbers. Because

22:53

what happens there is you're

22:56

out of position, you try and

22:58

hit a great shot because one of the things

23:00

that it does do is it allows you really

23:04

heroic recovery options. And

23:06

when you try and recover and you don't

23:08

recover, you find yourself in a worse spot

23:12

and then you get out of that and

23:14

next thing you know, you're like, I got

23:16

to really grind to not make a double.

23:20

And if you could just limit yourself,

23:22

like a perfect example is like I made, I

23:25

think I made four birdies in

23:27

the round. I hadn't played

23:29

golf for a week. I was

23:31

coming off of covering a golf event.

23:33

I was nervous and I made

23:36

four birdies, right? Like you can make a

23:38

ton of birdies. The key out there and

23:40

this sounds simplistic is avoiding the big numbers

23:42

and you usually make the big numbers when

23:44

you hit a bad tee shot. Yeah,

23:47

I think and I'm glad you brought up

23:49

five. People always

23:51

when they talk about golf courses only focus

23:53

on the width of fairways and think that

23:55

that tells the whole story. And that is

23:57

not the right way to look at professional

23:59

golf. courses and how it tests you have

24:01

to consider you missed by a little bit what's

24:03

the penalty and if you miss by a lot

24:06

what's the penalty associated with that I think the fifth

24:09

hole is a great example where it is pretty wide

24:11

but if you hit it 310 yards 320 yards like

24:13

some of these guys and you get offline either left

24:18

or right you're starting to bring some big numbers

24:20

into play if you don't play it smart so

24:22

I think that's a great example of a hole

24:24

there's a lot right like I think seven

24:27

not my favorite hole but you got to hit the ball straight

24:30

off the tee I see I think

24:32

that's one of the actually the easier tee shots

24:34

out there because it's a

24:36

tunnel right and in you what

24:39

happens is those trees narrow

24:42

down your focus I felt

24:44

like I stood on that tee and I was like well I just

24:46

got to hit it straight what's harder

24:48

about the course is is

24:50

when you have the wider corridor

24:53

the wider space but

24:55

you have the challenge like what we're talking about

24:57

with five where if you miss wide

24:59

left or wide right on five you're in

25:02

a really bad spot but on five you've

25:04

got that deep bunker on the left and

25:06

you're strong you you're trying to shade two

25:10

sides of the fairway I'm

25:12

not saying you're ever trying to hit it

25:14

down the left side but as a player

25:16

you're shading okay I want to push this

25:18

left center and when you start to shade

25:21

out there what it does is it brings

25:23

those bigger misses in versus seven sevens like

25:25

okay I just have to hit this straight

25:28

and it gives you a defined shape

25:30

and shot to hit what

25:33

whereas I found the really tough driving

25:35

holes to be the ones that are

25:37

a little bit more choose your own

25:39

adventure pick a line I

25:43

something that's interesting this happened

25:45

at Aaron Hills a few players talked about

25:47

I remember Jason Day talk about how

25:50

much he struggled so that's a

25:52

place also that had really penalizing

25:54

it was wide but when you

25:56

missed wide it was

25:59

super penalizing And Jason Day talked about

26:01

how it was hard to find things

26:03

to aim at. And I

26:05

think when you get wider corridors,

26:07

that becomes a struggle. It's

26:09

not as defined. These guys

26:12

are so good when

26:14

the target is defined. That's what they

26:16

all are trying to do is pick

26:18

a target, commit. You hear Caddy say

26:21

that so much in these like, pick

26:24

a target, commit, commit to it.

26:26

And when it's a little bit wider,

26:29

as a player, you're kind of looking at

26:31

the fairway thinking, oh, maybe I'll be over

26:33

here, maybe I go over there. And I

26:35

think that's challenging. Yeah,

26:37

it's a different type of shot. So I don't

26:39

disagree that like, well, it's a

26:41

harder shot. It might be the tee on five

26:44

versus the tee on seven. But

26:46

a broader point, I think

26:48

an underrated part of the entire golf course is

26:50

that when you spray it a little bit, you're

26:52

in real trouble. So I also think what you're

26:54

hitting on with the sight lines is an interesting

26:57

point. And maybe why you see certain golfers have

26:59

more success. There

27:01

may be a little bit more predictiveness to how they've done

27:03

in the past at Augusta, because that's a little bit of

27:05

a different type of shot. So I think we'll get into

27:07

some names later. But certain guys

27:10

who are comfortable with that, you

27:12

see them year in and year out near the top of the

27:14

leaderboard. I think that's an interesting thing to

27:16

call out. And I wanted

27:19

to get into a couple holes, nothing

27:21

super in detail. But I think for

27:23

me, two of the

27:25

holes that have never popped as much that I

27:27

haven't been there in person. So I would love

27:29

your perspective on are 14 and 17. And

27:33

I know the green complexes are pretty severe. And

27:35

that's a big part of the appeal. But can

27:37

you give people something about those two holes? Because

27:40

I've never felt like they maybe present as well

27:42

on TV. I've always thought they're like

27:44

fine, but never really get been engaged

27:46

with either of those holes. So

27:48

curious for your perspective from playing it and seeing it in

27:50

person. Let's

27:52

start with 14. I think that are

27:55

both amazing to two of the best

27:57

screens on the golf course. And that's

27:59

saying a lot. on the golf course

28:01

that maybe has the best greens in the

28:03

world. Um, so

28:06

with 14, it's

28:08

a classic you're fighting land. So

28:12

you've got like a severe left to right

28:14

slope that I don't think like the camera,

28:17

nobody ever explains this. I think

28:19

great is where that

28:22

slope is so severe. You feel like you

28:24

need to turn it over and do it.

28:26

If you hit a fade and the fairways

28:28

are running, like that ball's going to bounce

28:30

really far, right. And what

28:32

you want here is like, I feel

28:34

like we see in these, in

28:36

the masters, that's a hole where you

28:38

can take advantage of it. Um,

28:41

especially on the weekend, you can make birdies there

28:43

if you hit a good tee shot. So

28:45

it's so important to have the ball

28:48

in the fairway and have control of

28:50

your ball. But it's actually

28:52

a very, it's like one of those fairways

28:54

that it's wide, but

28:57

it functionally plays a lot smaller because

28:59

of the slope. The

29:01

other thing about the tee shot is it's blind.

29:04

Um, so you also have

29:06

the discomfort of, okay, I can't really

29:08

see where this is going, um,

29:11

with 17, that's a narrow

29:13

tee shot, like seven. Um,

29:16

you got to really like stand up and execute.

29:20

One of the cool things about

29:22

17, and I experienced this firsthand,

29:24

is that green sits, the green

29:26

site sits at such

29:28

a severe left to right slope and

29:31

it's built up super, super,

29:34

it's super built up on the right and

29:36

it looks like that

29:38

right, that back, right, for example,

29:40

whole location that's brutally tough. It

29:43

looks like that is elevated, but

29:45

that shot from and putts from left

29:48

to right there are so fast

29:50

from the left side of the green to

29:53

the right side of the green. Because it's

29:55

gravity, right? If your eyes will tell you

29:57

that it's you're putting up, but

29:59

it's. It's so fast. So if you're chipping

30:02

left to right, it's crazy fast. I think

30:04

the green is just marvelous where a lot

30:07

of greens at Augusta, so

30:10

one of my big things at Augusta, everybody

30:13

talks about it's an approach course, it's an approach

30:15

course, it's an approach course. And

30:17

the 17th is a great example of this. What

30:20

it is, is it's an approach course

30:22

slash a lag putting course. And

30:25

chipping. Yeah, chipping too. You

30:30

have to hit great approach shots to generate birdies

30:32

out there. But when, like you're not going to

30:35

hit 72 great approach shots. And

30:37

when you don't hit great approach shots out there, if you

30:41

hit average approach shots, you have really

30:43

hard two putts. If you hit poor

30:45

approach shots, you have really hard two

30:47

putts or difficult up and downs. And

30:50

a lot of the reasons they are is what

30:54

happens is the slopes have, they

30:57

go up and then a lot of them

30:59

on the backside go down. So

31:01

you are putting up and over slopes,

31:04

and you're having to gauge and what they

31:06

do is they put the hole locations close

31:08

to these slopes. So you're

31:10

having to gauge the up and then the down.

31:12

So you're worried, a lot of times you're just

31:14

trying to get it over the slope, because

31:17

then the back slope of it's going to take it

31:19

right to the hole. And if you put a little

31:22

too much gas on it, you've got eight feet coming

31:24

back. I didn't

31:26

find the speed of Augustus Green's to

31:28

be a problem as

31:30

much as I found the slopes

31:32

of them. Where they

31:35

feel so fast because of where they

31:37

put hole locations and how

31:40

they interact with the slopes. So

31:42

you're putting over a slope and then it's

31:44

a down slope away and you're

31:47

like, I have to get this over the slope.

31:49

And you can look really silly and not get it over

31:51

the slope and the ball comes back to you. But

31:55

then if you get it over the slope and you're

31:57

thinking about, oh, I got to hit this heart.

31:59

You have to be so

32:01

free mentally in all parts

32:04

of your game is really the thing there

32:06

is that you have to be

32:08

able to let go of

32:11

where of what

32:13

could happen because when you're thinking about

32:15

what could happen things inevitably

32:18

go wrong. Does

32:20

that make sense? Yeah, and I

32:22

think what you're hitting

32:24

on and I think this is another

32:26

big misconception about Augusta, I think

32:28

you're hitting on how crucial

32:30

it is to have control over

32:32

your ball and how much

32:34

you can separate yourself tee to green and even

32:37

include lag putting in that a little bit. But

32:40

where I'm going with that is I think putting

32:42

is just not short

32:44

range putting especially is not

32:46

nearly as important at Augusta as it is a

32:49

lot of places and it often I kind of

32:51

cringe when I hear people say like you've got

32:53

to putt well at Augusta. I

32:55

think lag putting sure right but short

32:57

range putting that can be

32:59

a weakness of yours and you can still

33:01

win and I think some of the concepts

33:03

you are articulating are

33:06

why that is true right these big sloped

33:08

greens where you can create a lot of

33:10

separation tee to green and if you hit

33:12

a bad one that's a huge difference between

33:14

hitting a good one. So when we see

33:16

players like Wills Alatoris, Hideki Matsuyama, guys

33:18

who struggle with the putter but can be

33:21

good lag putters especially Wills Alatoris. It's

33:23

interesting to hear you articulate some of those same concepts

33:25

and I think that's a good representation of why when

33:28

I hear people say like oh it's all about putting inside

33:30

ten feet it's just not. Yeah,

33:33

I mean you're

33:35

going to generate like what you're hoping for

33:38

is those putts to be

33:41

you know birdie putts right which

33:44

maybe carry every putts

33:46

worth the same but

33:49

in terms of I think

33:51

at Augusta in particular it's about

33:54

it's just keeping momentum going out there

33:57

because there's so much so

33:59

many. birdies to be had, but

34:03

there are also so many

34:05

bogeys. Like that's the crux

34:07

of the course. It's just

34:09

a variable golf course. There's

34:11

a high range of

34:14

outcomes on almost every hole. And I

34:16

think like where the criticism for the

34:18

golf course are the holes that they've

34:20

narrowed them and narrowed them and reduced

34:22

the number of outcomes, because that's the

34:25

beautiful thing about the golf course is

34:27

just how every

34:29

hole you can conceivably make a

34:31

birdie on, like it's,

34:33

none of them are like, Oh my God, nobody's

34:35

going to make a birdie on this today. Like

34:38

when you put the pin on the back shelf at 15

34:41

at Riviera, like, you know, one

34:44

or two people might make birdie, but at

34:46

Augusta, everybody's got really good chances of making

34:48

birdies on holes every day. Um,

34:51

but also in that same regard,

34:53

like you take, you

34:55

lose like sight of what you're trying

34:57

to do out there for a split

34:59

second and doubles just creep up. Yeah.

35:03

So with your explanation of 14 and 17,

35:05

maybe altering my opinion a little bit. One,

35:08

one take I've had that maybe is a little

35:10

out there, but I'd just love to hear your

35:12

reaction to it. I think the front nine might

35:14

be as good as the back nine. And I

35:17

know that's like blasphemy for a lot of people,

35:19

but outside of hole seven, I think the front

35:21

nine is awesome. The opening hole is probably my

35:23

favorite opening hole in professional golf. And just watching,

35:25

I mean, the par threes are excellent on the

35:27

front, especially six fives, an

35:29

amazing hole, like nine's an underrated

35:32

hole at Augusta. I might enjoy watching

35:34

professional golf as much on the front nine is

35:36

on the back nine. That crazy to you? No,

35:39

I don't think so. I think like,

35:42

um, if you thought about it from

35:44

a land standpoint, I think you probably

35:46

have a little bit more interesting topography

35:49

on the front nine. I think the par

35:51

threes are stronger. Um, people are going

35:54

to look at, say, oh, how can you say that about 12 and

35:56

16? Six, I think is

35:58

the best part three on the golf course. I'm

36:00

a giver excited that Green got

36:02

reworked this year. I'm. So.

36:04

That green. there's i think more

36:07

space on that back right Saxon

36:09

section which I think is is

36:11

good. Yeah that's and that's just

36:14

an amazing amazing green. Arm.

36:17

Is. So it is. There's can

36:19

be more space on the back,

36:21

right and left. Their ah I'm

36:23

so bad I think like from

36:25

that standpoint, I don't disagree. I.

36:28

Too. I think to than amazing

36:30

all. Ah, I think three three,

36:33

one of the ones. You

36:36

see A So I think there's this

36:38

like evolution of Augusta to. Where.

36:41

You you watch it on Tv, you

36:43

go there in person a spectator. This

36:46

is by evolution right? You.

36:49

Watch on Tv you go there

36:51

in person the spectator and you

36:53

you learned so much right it's

36:56

it's amazing to to spectator. But.

36:59

Then when you play and you

37:01

can actually step on the greens

37:03

your feet around the greens the

37:05

first like a whole other realm

37:07

of stuff you learn and one

37:09

of the things that the second

37:11

shot in the three is. Swallow

37:14

hard as wide shots of the world

37:16

nuts. And I

37:18

get why guys drive it up. To

37:21

a extremely undesirable location.

37:24

Test that like some forty yard pitch up

37:27

and away because the wet shot you're standing

37:29

in the fairway. I had one and as

37:31

right on the plateau. And I was

37:33

like this by bizarre his website I've ever had to

37:35

hit. Get. And think maybe

37:37

an underrated part of that that shot

37:39

is spin control rest like that of

37:42

green. Pitches insane li

37:44

away. And you have

37:46

a forefront in front. It's

37:49

like the hardest or eat it where they

37:51

put that pin on Sunday like you. You.

37:53

Have to hit. I hit

37:56

a great like a legitimately.

37:58

What? Are the best Wedges. My life and

38:00

I had eighteen feet. It's

38:03

it's kind of the spin control of the skill

38:06

thing. Like that is one shot where I kind

38:08

of thing like some good Patrick Reed who can

38:10

kind of hit the one bounce stop versus the

38:12

high spin throat way up in the air is

38:14

giving himself a little bit of have a bigger

38:17

landing area. That's something I've always thought about. Whole

38:19

three was interesting to hear you say. Similar.

38:21

Echo a similar sentiment that there's just nowhere to

38:24

when I went shot. Watch. What

38:26

happens is you end up along. Because.

38:28

You can't end up sure which is a

38:30

problem. My.

38:32

Hands are problems. it. Is

38:35

is the best! An amazing

38:37

Amazing! Ah second shot. So

38:40

I've I think like. I'm

38:42

Not I. I mean, I

38:45

don't think that's crazy. I think ah,

38:47

eight, nine, or by like if you

38:49

want poll by whole, right I mean

38:51

ten tends. To

38:54

if witless your mask by ten vs. one.

38:56

One. For me like I just think the

38:58

ones awesome and media some of the history of

39:00

it and I've been working to hand. The.

39:03

Second, sad and ten is. Insanity.

39:07

I love I love whole time. So

39:09

will this call the push them

39:11

since we can't reach consensus. Ah,

39:14

Eleven versus to. For

39:16

me, appeal to. Me: Too. So.

39:19

One up on the front. Nine Three

39:21

Verses Twelve That's tough. I like all

39:23

three a lot. I think I have

39:25

to defer to to twelve there are.

39:27

I agree with you there says all

39:30

Square Thirteen versus for this is a

39:32

Stephen Aims the Tiger Woods viva name's

39:34

Thirteen I think crushes for yes I'm

39:36

afraid that one of the back nine,

39:39

Five vs fourteen. I'm. Out

39:41

take five but I haven't seen. You're.

39:43

Giving me some reason that to like fourteen but

39:45

I have five like one of my favorites Long

39:47

performers and professional golf. arm i

39:50

would i hate i really dislike the

39:52

do bunkers and five where they sit

39:54

i would prefer them a little bit

39:56

more to the last that being said

39:58

the second shot Into five is pretty

40:01

unbelievable that green's unreal like that would

40:03

be on the list of best

40:05

greens at Augusta National I'll

40:08

I'll push it so that we get

40:10

five in there So it's

40:12

all square that we go to six

40:14

versus fifteen. This is a tough one.

40:16

This is a controversial one Yeah, I I

40:19

feel like I have to go with six here. I

40:21

think six Five has produced

40:23

a lot of awesome. Sorry fifteen has produced

40:26

a lot of awesome moments in In

40:29

terms of what I value in professional golf

40:31

and optionality I think six

40:33

is kind of more interesting especially that

40:35

right pin watching guys try to two

40:37

putt from down low left I'm

40:40

gonna go with six here. What about you? and

40:43

this is I I I Think

40:47

I like six as a whole more maybe

40:51

That being said I think that like they

40:53

offer I mean the second

40:55

standing on the hill hitting the second shot

40:57

on 15 is one of

40:59

the most demanding shots in all of golf So

41:03

I probably going 15 on top of

41:05

like the moments that it's produced and

41:08

especially the recent year I think it's

41:10

been the hole that's decided the

41:12

most masters in the last 10 years.

41:14

So I'm going 15

41:17

will push that it's still all square.

41:19

Here's the poo-poo platter battle

41:23

seven versus 16

41:26

I'm taking 16 not my favorite hole, but

41:28

I actually really enjoy watching that back right

41:30

pin location on 16 Seven

41:34

I just think the stinker so I'm taking

41:36

16 This

41:39

is uh, I Don't

41:42

know what to do here. I Think

41:45

I've taken seven. I like the approach to seven

41:47

from the fairway more than I like the approach

41:49

to 16 I

41:52

think that's a really neat different

41:54

varied green on the on

41:56

the front nine I think the shallow nature

41:58

of it this how it's

42:00

got the shelf in between it. That

42:03

is a really, really great green

42:05

that really showcases the

42:07

variety of greens at Augusta National. And

42:09

I think 16 is the weakest green

42:12

at Augusta National. So I can't go

42:14

there. Both are funnily, right?

42:16

Both Sunday pins get really funnily on

42:18

7 and 16 or historical

42:20

Sunday pins. That's where like

42:22

7, I like that it's,

42:26

you gotta have the ball in the fairway. And

42:28

I think if they widened it, it'd be even

42:30

better where like everybody's in it's like you gotta

42:32

hit the shot. It's going to be a wedge

42:34

to the funnel pin. But

42:37

if you're in the rough, then it gets tough. So

42:40

let's go to 8. It's still all square. 8 versus

42:43

17. I think we probably are both

42:45

taking 8. Yeah, I'm taking 8. That's

42:48

a tough one, but I'm taking 8. 9

42:50

versus 18. For me, not

42:52

close. I actually hate the 18. Pull it Augusta. So

42:54

I'd pick 9 going away. I'm

42:57

taking 9 too. I think that second

42:59

shot dynamic on 9 is so fun

43:01

to watch. Just an impossibly

43:03

tough lie to an elevated green.

43:05

Like everything with the lie down

43:07

slope, the ball's going to come

43:09

out low, side hill lie, the ball's going to

43:11

tend to squeeze out right, and

43:14

the thing you can't do is hit

43:16

a weak short right shot that doesn't

43:18

carry. So your general, like your innate

43:21

reaction to the golf course is to

43:23

compensate, come over it a little and

43:25

cover the ball, and that

43:27

produces a long left shot, and from

43:30

there, you're just, that

43:33

Tiger lag putt when he won in 2019

43:35

on Sunday. There

43:37

have been a lot of cool shots. Going back

43:39

and watching some old Masters on YouTube, there have

43:41

been a lot of cool shots on 9. That

43:43

Sunday pin, the way that

43:45

the Tiger lag putt, that's one of the

43:47

most fun second and third shots out

43:50

there on the golf course. So I love all 9. So

43:52

I think that's a really cool, I think one

43:54

of the things that aspects

43:56

of Augusta from the course standpoint is

43:58

how... Your lies always

44:00

work against the shot you want to

44:03

hit into the green.

44:05

The interaction of the ground with

44:07

the green orientation. So we

44:09

just talked about nine, 14 is

44:12

the same way. The ball's below your feet. And

44:14

what the, what the struggle with 14 is,

44:17

is keeping the ball left and

44:20

staying on the shelf, all the shelves run down

44:22

to the right and that's the

44:24

tended miss from that, that hanging

44:26

lie is right. How about

44:28

13? You think about 13, you

44:31

want to hit a fade and a high

44:33

fade into 13 and they give

44:35

you the, the world's biggest hook lie.

44:38

So you just think about all the ways

44:40

that the, the ground interacts with the, and

44:42

it's always running counter to the shot you

44:45

want to hit. It's

44:47

awesome. Yeah. It's something we don't see very

44:49

often in professional golf, right? These, and you

44:51

need a lot of space to do that,

44:53

right, Andy? Because if you had narrow fairways,

44:55

how heavily contoured could they be? So I

44:58

think it is a kind of a requirement

45:00

that you have a bunch of space, which

45:02

not every golf course can replicate, but that's

45:04

why Augusta special. All

45:07

right. Um, have we covered the course? I

45:09

think so. I think we got through all my

45:12

notes. Um, I wanted to get into some of

45:14

the players and some of the storylines entering this

45:16

masters. I mean, it's, it's interesting that we're not seeing

45:19

a lot of them square off head to head entering

45:22

the masters. Pretty fragmented and

45:24

disjointed top of the world right now.

45:27

Yeah. So I kind of wanted

45:29

to put you on the spot and make you

45:31

make you rank Scotty, Ram,

45:33

Rory, and Brooks. Who do you think

45:36

best chances if you had to order them or

45:38

pick one or two that you your life depended

45:40

on them being in the top five, those

45:43

top four names. Where are you right now?

45:47

I think, I think

45:49

it's hard to not. Take

45:52

Scotty number one. And

45:57

I know the putter's an issue, but

46:00

You know that the ball striking is

46:02

going to be there. So

46:05

I think I'd probably go Ram and Scotty one

46:07

and two. And

46:09

I think Brooks and Rory present somewhat

46:12

variable wild cards. You

46:15

know, we saw Brooks play great early in

46:17

the majors. Then he

46:19

wasn't really much of a factor the

46:21

last two majors. We saw Rory play really,

46:24

really well at LACC. When

46:27

Rory seemingly plays poorly now, it's still

46:29

a top ten. Last

46:31

year's Masters, you know, that was the only one

46:33

that he hasn't finished in the top ten in

46:35

the last eight. Right? And

46:38

he's a great question. I think what

46:41

would be awesomeness of all four of those guys

46:43

were playing on the same tour. And we got

46:45

a look at all of them in the similar

46:47

environment. But right now we only we get Ram

46:49

and Brooks, who I think have both played pretty

46:51

well at the start of this year. They haven't

46:53

won, but both of them played well on Liv.

46:57

And then you get Rory

46:59

and Scotty. Rory's played on two different

47:01

tours, dominated on the DP World Tour,

47:04

and headed over to the US tour.

47:08

It hasn't been the same. I wonder, you know,

47:10

if part of it's just everything that's going on

47:12

off the course with the

47:14

US tour. If being on the DP

47:16

World Tour offered like, wow, this

47:18

is a chill week where nobody's asking me

47:20

all these questions. But

47:23

Scotty, I don't know, how would

47:25

you go? Maybe this

47:27

is an overcorrection to last year, but

47:30

I feel pretty strongly that Ram should be

47:33

the favorite. And they're all kind

47:35

of those top three are kind of co-favorites

47:37

with Brooks a little behind them. I

47:40

think the accuracy with his driver is a big

47:43

thing and kind of going back to what we've

47:45

talked about earlier in this pod with

47:48

big misses being penalized. I don't worry out there

47:50

how far he hits it and he can get

47:52

a little stray. A lot of tee shots make

47:54

me nervous where I don't have that concern with

47:56

John Rahm, who just hits it appreciably straighter. And

48:00

with Scotty, how bad the short putting is,

48:03

I know it's not the most important spot

48:05

to putt lights out, but every hole can

48:07

turn into a bogey for Scotty pretty quickly.

48:09

Whereas John Rom just doesn't have

48:11

those holes in his game. So

48:14

I think John Rom should

48:16

be the favorite this year, even though who

48:18

knows what his game's gonna look like entering. I think

48:20

we saw last year that a lot of the live

48:22

guys were fine. So I think John Rom should be

48:24

the favorite. I have a question

48:27

for you. Do you think Rory should throttle

48:29

back? We saw at LACC a similar,

48:32

yeah, I think there's some similarities there,

48:34

but we saw a distinct difference

48:37

in his game plan. He hit irons, which

48:39

he still hits really far. He had a

48:41

lot of three woods. Do

48:43

you think, a three woods easier

48:46

to turn over right to left. Do you think

48:48

that Rory should be thinking about maybe

48:50

hitting less drivers, knowing that

48:52

he's plenty long with

48:55

throttling back? I love

48:57

this, I'm glad you asked it. That's

49:00

something that I've felt, yes, he should.

49:02

And I know that runs antithetical to what

49:04

gets discussed a lot in the golf analytic

49:07

circles always hit driver. Augusta

49:09

is different in how it penalizes wide misses, where

49:12

it's a lot different than somewhere like Torrey Pines.

49:14

So I don't think Rory should just plot

49:16

his way around with three wood. But there are opportunities

49:18

where I think he should. The first

49:21

hole is a good example of that. And

49:23

we've seen him hit some spray drivers

49:25

the final round 2018 with Patrick Reed,

49:28

where Rory starts the day by just flaring one

49:30

way out right into the trees on one, I think

49:33

one is a three wood. I

49:35

think 10 for sure is a three wood that you can

49:37

turn over right to left. So there's some opportunities out there

49:39

where I think he should be throttling back. Yeah,

49:41

I don't think it's a crazy

49:44

idea. Like I don't, he's

49:47

one of my big takeaways last

49:49

year from majors is it's astonishing

49:51

how much further he hits the

49:53

ball or farther be

49:55

farther for giving. Farther

49:58

he hits the ball then people. we

50:00

consider very long. If

50:02

the golf course is like firm and

50:05

rolling, he will, he

50:07

was, you know, at LA, he was

50:09

regularly 25 past Scheffler. I

50:11

mean, that's insanity. And

50:14

he can give up some

50:16

of that for preferred shape. And

50:20

I know that statistically a

50:22

lot of times, like in a bulk

50:24

sample, when you look at every player

50:28

dispersion patterns of a three wood and

50:30

a driver aren't that much different. They

50:32

are different though. They are

50:34

different. They are that much different. I

50:37

think this is at the top level of the

50:39

game. We need to

50:41

look at like personal dispersion patterns,

50:43

not bulk. And I'd

50:45

be really curious to see what worries dispersion

50:48

with the three wood is versus a driver.

50:50

And if it, if it keeps one ball

50:54

out of the jump, out of like

50:56

the trees, out of the pine straw,

50:58

that, that really plays into his hand,

51:01

that's, that's the big number that we just

51:03

talked about with the golf course. Yep.

51:05

And look, the, some

51:08

of the, what gets discussed is bulk, but people

51:10

do look at that kind of thing. I can

51:12

tell you for a fact, Rory's dispersion is appreciably

51:14

tighter with the three wood, which makes sense. Most

51:16

golfers are not just because the ball is traveling

51:19

farther. Offline also that you

51:21

do hit it straighter from like this

51:23

perspective of the dispersion angle with the

51:25

three woods. So I'd like to see

51:27

the loft, right? And you lost.

51:30

Yeah. You just have more control over the ball in general. I

51:32

mean, I'm sure some of that if

51:34

Rory's, I'm sure

51:36

he has certain swings with driver that tighten the dispersion.

51:38

So you could get into some of that, but, um,

51:41

in general, I agree with you. He needs to be

51:43

thinking about where those big misses could come into play

51:45

and, and consider hitting a three wood there, especially if

51:48

it doesn't change the approach difficulty

51:50

that much, like that's a big thing,

51:52

I think generally at Augusta, like 20

51:54

yards is worth a

51:57

different amount on different holes, right? On 15 and extra 20

51:59

yards. is a huge deal,

52:01

but on the first hole, it's not as

52:03

big a deal. I wouldn't say hit three

52:05

wood there. Exactly, exactly. Andy,

52:07

wanted to ask you this. So golfers

52:10

who have played at least 12 rounds

52:12

since 2010 at the Masters, top

52:14

strokes gained by round. Rom

52:16

is two, Scheffler's three, Rory's

52:19

five, and Brooks's six. Can you guess

52:21

one and four? Hmm,

52:26

one and four by round.

52:30

Jordan Spieth. Jordan Spieth,

52:33

number one, and then, he's

52:36

very close to Rom, and Justin Rose.

52:38

Those three all pretty close. Sorry. Justin

52:40

Rose. Justin Rose, number

52:43

four. So I think that's interesting. You

52:45

get the top three there, Spieth, Rom, and Scheffler, all

52:47

around 2.2, 2.3 strokes around, then

52:50

a pretty big half a shot

52:52

gap to Rose at 1.7, 1.8, and

52:55

then Rory and Brooks at five and

52:57

six. So I think the Spieth conversation

52:59

and your Justin Guy take, this is

53:01

an interesting use case this year for

53:03

what Spieth's gonna have. He's number one.

53:06

I mean, you talk about a place that fits

53:08

his game really well. Like

53:11

if he could just keep the ball in

53:14

the corridors, from there

53:16

on, from basically the tee shot

53:18

on, you couldn't design a

53:20

better golf course for Jordan Spieth. I

53:24

think similar with somebody like Cam Smith. I

53:26

think it's kind of reasonable to lump those two golfers together.

53:30

That is actually a really good comp.

53:32

Those are two players that play a

53:34

very similar style. I

53:36

think Cam, I

53:38

want to see Cam, one of the

53:41

things that I wish we had was

53:43

like shot link, similar data across the

53:45

two tours. Has

53:47

Cam lost some speed? It seems like he's

53:49

not in the same shape that he was

53:51

in when he won the Open. You

53:54

look at pictures, it's very, very

53:56

different. Has

53:59

he lost speed? Is he the same? You

54:01

know, is it that

54:03

these are things that I wonder, right? Because

54:05

like, I think with with

54:07

Cam, the

54:10

two years preceding the open win, which

54:12

at that point, I think he was

54:14

very much on a trajectory to get

54:16

to number one in the world before

54:19

he went to live. The

54:22

improvement of the

54:24

T to green game was astounding.

54:28

And there was there is substantial

54:30

speed, which helped them get to the short

54:32

irons, which the short irons and wedge play.

54:36

I don't know if I would, if

54:38

coming down the stretch, I don't know if there's anybody

54:40

in the world, I have more confidence

54:43

with a short iron in their hand.

54:46

I don't think so. If

54:48

you if you

54:51

even lose a fraction of that

54:53

speed, it has such a

54:55

big impact down through the bag. Because

54:58

if it's one one extra club into

55:00

every green, it might

55:02

seem like such an inconsequential number. But

55:05

like this, the difference between ultra

55:07

elite male professional

55:10

golfers and above average

55:12

is fractional stuff. Totally.

55:15

And if it could be the difference between having

55:17

an eight footer for birdie and an 11 footer

55:19

for birdie, and he's such a good putter that

55:21

he's burying a lot of those eight footers. So

55:23

I think a huge part of the Cam Smith

55:25

ascension was picking up that speed, which gives him

55:27

more short irons and those puts that you can

55:29

convert. So we're just pulling some stuff.

55:32

I don't want to bore people with staff, but

55:34

we're just pulling together some. I kind of set

55:37

the range from 2010 onward. But

55:39

Andy players who have played

55:42

at least five events since 2010 and made the cut

55:44

in all of them, Cam Smith is

55:46

one of those players. Seven to seven made

55:48

cuts here and he says four top tens in

55:51

that span. Rahm has also made

55:53

all of those cuts. Seven of seven and another player

55:55

that we're going to see Adam Scott, 14 to 14

55:58

made cuts. I

56:00

think it's pretty impressive since 2010, 14 to 14. He's

56:03

the only golfer that's made all

56:05

the cuts in that span. He's played at least a 10 events.

56:07

So those are a couple of names to be thinking about, not

56:10

just them potentially doing well at Augusta, but why do

56:12

those golfers do well at Augusta? And what might that

56:14

reflect about skill sets of other players who could do

56:16

well? Are there

56:18

any newcomers that you're particularly interested

56:21

in excited to watch? I

56:23

think Wyndham Clark might be the most exciting name.

56:26

Uh, I'm really excited to see what Wyndham

56:28

Clark can do at Augusta. I mean, he's not a newcomer.

56:32

I feel like he, I mean, he's a newcomer

56:34

in the sense of he

56:36

really started to put it together last May. And

56:39

he's never played Augusta. He

56:42

hasn't. No, I mean, he wasn't in,

56:44

he wasn't in Augusta last year. That's,

56:47

that's insane. It's crazy. You got two, you

56:49

got two players that are in the top

56:51

11 in the world rankings that are going

56:54

to be playing their first Vasters. It's crazy.

56:56

I know. Because that was the story with

56:58

Wyndham Clark. He won the U.S.

57:00

Open and he hadn't even been qualified for the

57:02

Masters. I forgot about that. I'm pretty excited to

57:04

see what he can do. And you're,

57:06

you're kind of alluding to Ludwig, Ludwig

57:08

Obert. What do you, yeah, what are your expectations

57:10

for him? How excited are you to watch him

57:12

for the first time at Augusta? I'm

57:15

super excited. I think this is just, uh,

57:17

I think it's a golf course that's hard

57:19

to get comfortable on and the number one

57:21

thing that, that is required for success

57:24

at Augusta is being comfortable. It's

57:27

about being able to free yourself

57:30

and, and really commit to targets,

57:32

make swings and not

57:34

be worried about where it could go

57:37

or what might happen. Because the only

57:39

thing worse than hitting a bad shot

57:41

is worrying about hitting a bad shot

57:43

out there, um, because that

57:46

that's going to lead to one. So I

57:48

think that's probably why first

57:51

time or struggle at Augusta

57:54

is just not

57:56

being comfortable enough to

57:58

let it go. Uh,

58:00

that being said, I think he's

58:03

been a super impressive, um,

58:06

talent. I think his, his game presents

58:10

itself pretty well. I,

58:12

I think we saw in the rider

58:14

cup, his approach play was a little

58:16

leaky and that's a super small sample

58:18

size, but the way

58:20

he played there under similar, I

58:23

think pressure,

58:25

similar, uncomfortable, uncomfortable

58:28

situation. That's what would make me

58:30

hesitant about Ludwig. I

58:32

think it's one of the most interesting stories in

58:34

golf is like, what does Ludwig's long

58:37

iron play look like? Because you just don't see

58:39

it that often on the PGA tour. He kind

58:41

of cleaned up last late summer and through the

58:43

fall, but that's not a lot of long irons.

58:45

You're right. I'm Marco Simone struggled a

58:47

little bit with the long irons and then Genesis, he

58:49

was fine. I mean, he's shown he can hit a

58:51

long iron. Like the guy's an amazing ball striker, but

58:53

what's he going to do at Augusta is a great

58:55

question. Last

58:57

year, last year, a player told

59:01

me that had played with Ludwig. Um,

59:04

when I was asking, asking them

59:06

about him, he said, he's

59:09

no Rob. In

59:11

what way? The long iron. Just

59:13

like that was the general thought.

59:18

And I think they've been on a

59:20

similar trajectory in terms of their play

59:22

early in their career, but it was

59:24

illuminating to me that that was the

59:27

comment. He's really good, but he's no wrong.

59:31

And maybe that, I

59:33

don't know. That was obviously before he went

59:35

on a crazy run that he's gone on,

59:38

but I thought that was illuminating. Yeah.

59:41

I think this is going to be a big opportunity to

59:43

find out a little bit what Ludwig's game

59:45

is. So that's probably one of the most compelling

59:48

names to keep an eye on. His,

59:50

his debut at Augusta golfers have

59:52

done well in their debuts at Augusta. It's not

59:54

impossible. And that's one name I was going to

59:56

throw at you, Andy, that I think isn't a

59:58

long shot, but some. Not on

1:00:00

the first sheet of names. I think Sahith is

1:00:03

a super interesting name this year. He made his

1:00:05

debut at Augusta last year and finished ninth solo

1:00:07

nine. Played well at the old course. He's,

1:00:10

he's a good ball striker. He's got the power off

1:00:12

of the tee and some of the long iron play.

1:00:16

The short game. There's a little bit more space

1:00:18

too, which I think he can get a little

1:00:20

bit wild. And that

1:00:23

space helps him out.

1:00:25

He's got a lot of shots. He's a, he knows

1:00:27

how to hit golf shots. I

1:00:30

think that's like the, it just

1:00:32

sounds simplistic, but the

1:00:34

guy's got a lot in his bag. He

1:00:37

does. And even some of like,

1:00:39

I know Phoenix isn't necessarily the best comparison,

1:00:42

but it has some similarities to Augusta,

1:00:44

especially controlling those approach shots into kind

1:00:46

of big, firm greens finished fifth Phoenix

1:00:49

this year. And he almost won as

1:00:51

we remember previously. So I think

1:00:54

Sahith's kind of an interesting name to keep an

1:00:56

eye on Andy. Do you have anybody that wouldn't

1:00:59

be on the first sheet of names that you think is

1:01:01

either going to play well, or you're just

1:01:03

excited to see how he stands up? I

1:01:06

mean, I'm excited to see

1:01:08

Neiman play. And obviously we, we,

1:01:11

I, he's played so well. I,

1:01:14

this has been a controversial topic in golf

1:01:16

with him. The exemption, he got the

1:01:19

live thing, but I, I've been,

1:01:21

I got to commend him for

1:01:23

playing all over the world and attempt to get this

1:01:25

and get it. Um, he's played well

1:01:27

there in the past. It's,

1:01:30

I, he's one of the people

1:01:32

that like is one of the

1:01:34

more, the people that I miss

1:01:36

more that went to live, like I would say

1:01:39

Camp Smith, him, Brooks. And

1:01:42

I mean, he's only 25

1:01:44

years old. It's

1:01:46

crazy. I mean, this is the

1:01:48

thing when you turn pro at

1:01:50

18, he's, he's a

1:01:52

household name, but he's still only 25. So

1:01:55

there's, you know, a extreme, you

1:01:58

know, he, familiarity and

1:02:00

this is when guys and I

1:02:02

just I think I like him

1:02:05

being from Chile. I

1:02:08

guess he's someone that I'm excited to

1:02:10

see. Just in general Min Woo Lee

1:02:12

could be fun to watch out

1:02:14

there who will be in there. I think

1:02:18

he's shown up in some big moments.

1:02:20

He's had some flashes. Again

1:02:23

like I think Min Woo is

1:02:26

older than Nieman. Just

1:02:28

as a reference point. Everybody thinks

1:02:30

about Min Woo as this young star

1:02:33

and I think he's older than Nieman if

1:02:35

I'm correct. He is

1:02:38

older than Nieman just by a few months but

1:02:40

I love the Nieman call.

1:02:42

Andy I think one

1:02:45

thing we've seen some guys who do well

1:02:47

at Riviera show up and

1:02:49

do well at Augusta. Adam Scott, Bubba

1:02:51

Watson. A lot of similarities

1:02:54

there sort of and the long iron test,

1:02:56

the complex screens. Nieman won by multiple shots

1:02:58

at Riviera in 2022. I think he might

1:03:01

be the name that

1:03:04

if he showed up at the top of

1:03:07

the leaderboard on Thursday at this year's Masters

1:03:09

it would sneak up on some people but it really

1:03:11

shouldn't. Like he's somewhere around 50

1:03:13

to 1 depending on what book

1:03:16

you're looking at and I think him having

1:03:18

longer odds than like a fee now as

1:03:21

much as I like fee now I think

1:03:23

Nieman's got a better chance of winning this

1:03:25

golf tournament than Tony Feene. I

1:03:28

guess like something that I'm just fascinated to

1:03:30

watch is Justin Thomas. Just

1:03:33

in general you know. He's

1:03:38

played okay there. I think

1:03:40

he real shot to win in 2020.

1:03:45

He hasn't played great. He

1:03:48

played really well at some

1:03:50

soft setups once

1:03:52

we ratcheted it up here in the last

1:03:54

few weeks. He hasn't played as well.

1:03:57

So listen

1:03:59

like I

1:04:02

think it's hard

1:04:05

is JT's best golf behind him behind

1:04:08

him and I think this year's majors

1:04:10

he's 30 years old it's a

1:04:13

big question you

1:04:15

look at superstar players

1:04:17

and I it's Justin

1:04:19

Thomas is a superstar

1:04:24

in golf usually superstars are like

1:04:26

five years seven

1:04:29

years ten years of really

1:04:31

high-level play we're

1:04:34

at like they're really special

1:04:36

superstars get to ten years of

1:04:38

high-level play for JT we're

1:04:42

at about seven years of really high-level

1:04:44

play I don't

1:04:47

think this is a crazy question to ask I

1:04:49

think the same thing could be said about Jordan

1:04:51

Speith I think Rory's

1:04:54

the outlier of this generation where his

1:04:56

high level of play has

1:04:58

surpassed ten years I

1:05:00

mean anybody that that disagrees with this

1:05:02

go find me how many

1:05:05

superstars had more

1:05:07

than ten years of extremely elite

1:05:09

play in the history of

1:05:12

modern professional golf the list is

1:05:14

super short I mean Faldo's cliff

1:05:17

is like ten years and that

1:05:19

guy won six majors Duval

1:05:21

was really short VJ Singh had

1:05:24

a really strong ten years Ernie

1:05:26

Ells was about ten to twelve

1:05:28

years I mean you're

1:05:30

talking about generational players right there it

1:05:33

is it is extremely hard

1:05:35

to play this game at

1:05:38

a top ten top fifteen level

1:05:40

for a really long time and

1:05:43

I and Rory might be you know I think

1:05:45

Rahm is poised to do it just because of

1:05:47

how repeatable his swing is

1:05:50

how sound his game is but it's

1:05:53

very hard to do this and

1:05:55

if if

1:05:58

this year's majors aren't great for JT,

1:06:00

I think it really opens up

1:06:02

a question because the

1:06:04

young talent, he's

1:06:06

not long anymore. And we saw this happen

1:06:09

with Ricky. Ricky's game started

1:06:12

to fall off when he went from

1:06:14

being an above average player off the

1:06:16

tee to an average player with

1:06:18

youth speed. And the same thing is

1:06:20

happening now. These young

1:06:23

players are so fast and long that

1:06:25

what it does is it takes above average

1:06:27

skills and make some average skills off the

1:06:29

tee. The only player that

1:06:32

seemingly really kept up

1:06:34

and continued to be

1:06:36

a speed king is Rory.

1:06:39

It's really hard to do. I

1:06:42

love this call. I mean, JT still

1:06:44

has some speed. He's still gaining distance on

1:06:46

the field, but he's not going

1:06:48

to be right near the top. Not when he was a

1:06:50

top 20 guy off the tee. Some

1:06:55

of winning is getting yourself in the mix

1:06:57

a lot. He hasn't really gotten himself in

1:06:59

the mix at Augusta like he should. I

1:07:01

mean, he's been there before, but we're

1:07:04

not looking at a ton of amazing finishes

1:07:06

from JT at Augusta. He was

1:07:08

cut last year, eighth year before, 21st year before. There's

1:07:13

a lot in that 10 to 25 range. I

1:07:16

think a big thing with Justin Thomas to watch is

1:07:18

his tee shots on the 13th hole. I know I've

1:07:20

called this out before, but he's not somebody he really

1:07:22

can't keep this like whip

1:07:25

draw off of that tee. I

1:07:27

don't like the shot with the driver and he's

1:07:30

cost himself a lot of strokes on that hole.

1:07:32

So that is a big one to watch. My question

1:07:34

is, I don't think he would ever try and hit

1:07:37

that shot if he hadn't

1:07:39

gotten that great bounce on this 18th

1:07:41

hole at TPC progress. It

1:07:44

was one of the great bounces in golf

1:07:46

history. That ball

1:07:48

was snapping and managed to bounce straight because

1:07:50

it caught like that little slope. If

1:07:53

that ball ends up in the water there, he

1:07:55

probably never hits that shot again. And

1:07:58

that's the way golf works. I

1:08:01

hear you and guys trying to hit the

1:08:03

big draw with driver. It's

1:08:05

just with the modern technology, it's not really

1:08:07

something that is advised. I think

1:08:09

the 10th hole at Augusta is another example where

1:08:11

if JT tries to do that with driver, I'd

1:08:14

hold your breath. 10 and 13, those

1:08:16

are big shots to watch. Yeah,

1:08:20

I agree. The, I

1:08:22

think, yeah, it's, that's

1:08:24

where distance is advantage. That's where, you know,

1:08:27

could Rory get around the corner on 13

1:08:29

with a three wood and turn it over, probably,

1:08:32

right? One,

1:08:34

maybe last question for you, Andy.

1:08:36

Patrick Cantlay and Xander Schoffely, both

1:08:38

in contention at Riviera, pretty

1:08:41

weak performances on Sunday. Are

1:08:43

you giving either golfer a

1:08:46

chance of winning this Masters? Yeah,

1:08:49

I've given them a chance. They're two of the

1:08:51

best players in the world. I am, I'm

1:08:53

always, the

1:08:56

thing that's really drawn my attention the last couple of

1:08:58

years with them is

1:09:00

they are marching up the top 10s, or

1:09:03

top 10, weeks in the top 10 of

1:09:05

the OWGR without a

1:09:07

major. They are unassailable. I

1:09:11

doubt both of them will win one this

1:09:13

year, but one

1:09:15

of them at the end of this year,

1:09:17

assuming they both don't win one, or

1:09:20

both of them will be near, they

1:09:22

will be the top modern player,

1:09:26

you know, non, like, uncompetitive. The only

1:09:28

people ahead of them will be Westy

1:09:30

and Collin Montgomery for weeks in the

1:09:32

top 10 without a major. Pretty

1:09:36

crazy. Unbelievably consistent,

1:09:39

not a lot of looks at

1:09:41

winning a major. Xander had

1:09:43

a ton early. 2019

1:09:46

for sure, yeah, he's had some looks. But

1:09:49

it's almost, I don't know.

1:09:51

This again, this goes to this career, understanding

1:09:55

the career of a superstar.

1:09:59

They are... They

1:10:01

aren't long and you could

1:10:03

ask the same thing about Cantlay and

1:10:05

Xander is are we getting to the

1:10:07

end of their maybe five to seven

1:10:09

year run as a top player? I

1:10:12

don't necessarily think so, but

1:10:17

there is a shelf life on

1:10:19

players and understanding

1:10:21

that history says this

1:10:25

is important when you're considering these players.

1:10:28

So Jake Knapp's not going to be a star

1:10:30

that at age 30 that just won for the

1:10:32

first time. He could. He could. I think

1:10:36

one of the things that has happened

1:10:38

with the tour is like we've become

1:10:40

so fascinated with the

1:10:44

prodigy that we lose. We've lost sight

1:10:46

of like the normal career progression and

1:10:49

I think Wyndham Clark is a great

1:10:51

reminder of that where

1:10:53

Wyndham Clark's run as a

1:10:55

star might be starting now

1:10:58

and we might look back seven years ago and be like, you

1:11:00

know, he didn't figure it out till he was 28. Pretty

1:11:05

crazy that Wyndham Clark could. I mean,

1:11:08

we talked about a lot of golfers and you've

1:11:10

talked about this just not getting it done recently.

1:11:13

Andy Wyndham Clark has won. He's won

1:11:16

Wells Fargo, US Open,

1:11:19

at Pebble Shortened Event. Like he's actually

1:11:21

starting to win. Be pretty impressive

1:11:23

if he gets himself in the mix at the Masters and

1:11:25

shoots up the world rankings. I know the world rankings are

1:11:28

a little distorted right now, not ranking lives guys, but Wyndham's

1:11:30

got a real shot at becoming the number one golfer in

1:11:32

the world, which is a pretty crazy climb. And

1:11:34

a real takeaway from Riviera, he's

1:11:37

got serious horsepower. He's one of the

1:11:39

few players I've ever seen keep up

1:11:41

with Rory McElroy off the tee. Scott

1:11:45

bombs it. So I think

1:11:48

that you talk about this modern game

1:11:51

of golf that is always going to

1:11:53

be an extremely important thing and he

1:11:55

puts well and he can be a

1:11:57

good iron player and spurts. So yeah.

1:12:00

Yeah, I'm. All right,

1:12:02

that does it for our earlier Yeovil Obviously

1:12:04

cover the masters and much greater detail as

1:12:06

we get closer, but we want to kind

1:12:08

of set the stage, give a look as

1:12:10

we get closer to the bastards add ah

1:12:12

kind of the big things going and it.

1:12:15

Ah Joseph at recommendations on our on

1:12:17

our way out The ever recommendation this

1:12:20

week. I do, let

1:12:22

me grab the name. There's this. I'm

1:12:24

not a soccer fan. Andy.

1:12:26

As that's like the one sport that. I

1:12:29

don't watch or football for the

1:12:31

European listeners. was caught European football

1:12:33

to Football is in America but

1:12:35

ah ah the video had dementia

1:12:37

people riled up there. Yeah. That's

1:12:39

that's what I'm going for. Ah, somebody recommend

1:12:42

to me this. Sub. Stack

1:12:44

from John Miller. M U L L E

1:12:46

R Any kind of gets into some of

1:12:48

the tactics in. European. Football

1:12:50

and of and applying some concepts from

1:12:52

other sports. so it's a sport I

1:12:54

know almost nothing about. By. A

1:12:57

pretty interested in and reading a little bit about

1:12:59

the tactics. Understanding the sport at a little bit

1:13:01

of a deeper level and maybe that will be

1:13:03

something that gets me into it. So it's somebody.

1:13:05

reads this and thanks. This is very basic,

1:13:07

I have a better recommendation for you and has

1:13:09

something that I can read feel free to to

1:13:11

tweet it or posted at me. But ah, but

1:13:13

enjoying learning a little bit more about the ins

1:13:16

and outs of soccer. I feel

1:13:18

like that. Or is some overlap

1:13:20

with soccer strategies and hockey

1:13:22

strategies. Problem. As

1:13:24

with how the offenses initiated, I

1:13:27

grew up playing hockey. And.

1:13:29

I I just whenever I watch soccer.

1:13:32

I feel like it's similar where there's

1:13:34

like a patient's to the offense. And.

1:13:37

It's about. Moving. The

1:13:39

puck or the ball around

1:13:41

enough to get a defense

1:13:43

imbalance and then attacking. Ah,

1:13:46

I'm. Which. He ate their.

1:13:49

Will. Need to watch him as a deep level.

1:13:51

I always love watching playoff hockey. I feel like

1:13:53

I have less and less time in my life

1:13:55

as I get older and mess one of the

1:13:57

things has fallen by the wayside. By.

1:14:00

Um, that's, it's just fun to

1:14:02

watch because it's a patient game,

1:14:04

right? It's not, everything doesn't just

1:14:07

unravel really quickly. It's similar to

1:14:09

golf in that aspect. My recommendation

1:14:12

is, uh, which is coming out in

1:14:14

a couple of weeks, full swing to season

1:14:16

two, I've watched two episodes. I

1:14:19

think so far it's, it's, I

1:14:22

like it a lot more than season one. There's a little

1:14:24

bit more depth to the show. I

1:14:27

could be completely wrong by the time I watch

1:14:29

the rest of it, but so far I think

1:14:31

it's pretty good. Super excited.

1:14:33

Uh, yeah, I

1:14:36

think this season has a lot of

1:14:38

potential and kind of laying the groundwork season one season

1:14:41

two can expand upon that. And you

1:14:43

know, some of the characters already, so maybe they can get

1:14:45

a little bit deeper into some of their backstories and what's

1:14:48

been going on in the last year. So I'm very

1:14:50

excited about it. This

1:15:02

episode was edited and produced

1:15:04

by Meg Atkins. Meg, back

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on the production chair with

1:15:09

Matt traveling this week. Thank

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