0:00

I'm Mr. Green for example. I'm already upset.

0:02

When I find my ball in the bunker,

0:04

I'm really upset. And when I find my

0:06

ball in a... Fried egg. Fried egg. The

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dreaded fried egg. Fried egg. Fried egg. Fried

0:10

egg. Fried egg. Fried egg lie. I'm about

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ready to run off the golf course. Welcome

0:34

back to another edition of the

0:36

fried egg golf podcast. Today's episode.

0:39

Me and Joseph LaMonia are going

0:41

to go deep on Anthony Kim.

0:44

And we're also going to have

0:46

Shane Bacon on to talk about this with

0:48

obviously the news that Anthony Kim might be

0:50

coming back. We figured it'd be fun to

0:53

do a little career retrospective

0:55

and then looking forward and some

0:57

comparisons to what Anthony Kim would

1:00

be in the modern era. But

1:02

first, Joseph, what are you in

1:05

on this week? Well, I'm double dipping

1:07

a little bit from writing about this in the

1:09

Friday golf newsletter, but I got to say way

1:12

in on Tony Finau

1:15

regaining some speed. Andy,

1:17

don't know if you saw this, but it's been...

1:19

I read your little piece. It's

1:21

been a little bit of a statistical anomaly

1:23

over the last couple of years. I've

1:26

been puzzled as to why Tony Finau's

1:29

driving distance numbers haven't

1:31

been what they used to be. He's kind

1:33

of been trending the wrong direction. Ball speed

1:36

pretty much every year on tour has gone down.

1:38

He used to be a top 10, top 15

1:40

ball speed guy. Last year was like 40th

1:43

and especially on the back half of last year. Results

1:46

weren't as good and his driving distance numbers

1:48

were down. He mentioned after

1:51

one of his rounds at Torrey that he's bringing

1:53

that speed back up, that he was nursing a

1:56

couple injuries and he's finally healthy. He did

1:58

an off-seat off-seat. of

2:00

training, including some speed training. And

2:03

I'm pretty excited to see what Tony Feeney

2:05

has this year. He's obviously a

2:07

great player. I think some people may forget

2:09

he won four times between July of 2022

2:12

and April of 2023. And

2:15

just real quickly to rattle off

2:18

some of his major championship performances.

2:20

Between 2018 and 2021,

2:22

he had at least two top tens

2:25

in each of those four years,

2:27

at least two top tens in

2:29

a major championship. In 2022 and 2023, zero

2:31

top tens combined in either of those years. And

2:36

I think the speed decrease is

2:38

a part of that. So I'm pretty excited to see what Tony Feeney has

2:41

got this year. I mean,

2:43

I think about Tony Feeney and obviously,

2:46

if you were going to pull PGA Tour

2:48

fans, the first attribute in terms of

2:50

this game that they would touch on

2:52

is the speed. So

2:55

that is a very

2:57

important aspect to this game, right?

2:59

I think that would be

3:01

like if Steph Curry had

3:04

an injury that prohibited him from getting

3:06

enough lift to shoot three pointers, right?

3:09

Where he was hampered and lost, let's

3:11

just say, 8% on a three pointer. Like

3:14

I'm just trying to equate some equivalencies

3:16

here. But

3:18

the aspect of beat

3:20

out distance is it obscures a little

3:23

bit. How good of an iron player

3:25

and short game he has. The putting

3:27

was very scary, very scary on Sunday.

3:32

That was maybe the worst I've ever seen of

3:34

it. But like you're talking about a guy who

3:37

has three elite skills. And it's

3:40

very rare for any player to

3:42

have like the possibility

3:44

to be at the top end

3:47

of a elite field in three categories. There

3:49

are very few players that can do that.

3:51

And Tony Finau obviously gained that speed back.

3:54

That's a good harpager for 2024 majors. He

3:57

could be a nice dark horse to look at. in

4:00

terms of like if you're doing like I had a buddy that

4:02

was at the win in Vegas

4:05

and sent me a bed slip for the for the

4:07

majors and I was picking out some long shots but

4:09

like that could be one to look at

4:11

right I think the Masters in particular is an

4:13

excellent spot for Tony Fino. What are you in

4:15

on? I am

4:17

in on this week's tournament Pebble Beach.

4:20

I'm kind of like mixed

4:23

on designated events in general but I

4:25

just think that this match is a

4:27

great match in terms of having a

4:30

elite field at you

4:32

know your elite venue like

4:34

one of your premier

4:36

venues and the way this all has

4:39

worked out where the event falls in

4:41

between you know the Super Bowl and

4:43

the conference championships you know the

4:46

last few years of this event have

4:48

not been pretty with the Saudi international

4:50

kind of stealing away a lot of

4:52

players um famously like Phil

4:54

used to play in this event all the time

4:56

then he started playing at Saudi international now he's

4:58

obviously playing with but this

5:00

event has has been kind of like mutilated

5:03

the last few years in terms of a

5:05

field perspective where it went from one of

5:07

the stronger events to one of the weaker

5:09

events for a tour right now

5:11

that is I don't

5:14

know if struggling is the right word but

5:16

not its strongest it's ever been with

5:19

fans with with in terms of

5:21

their fields in terms of their you know who's

5:23

playing having Pebble Beach

5:26

be a big time event on

5:29

you know what you're putting out

5:31

there on you know CBS that

5:34

will be broadcasted primetime or not

5:36

primetime but like middle of sunday

5:38

saturday with no real big competition

5:41

outside of college basketball this event

5:43

being a big deal is

5:46

important and awesome for the PGA

5:48

tour right you're going to have

5:50

the best players playing one of

5:52

your best venues definitely your best

5:54

television venue right from a television

5:57

perspective there is no course

6:00

that comes close to Pebble Beach. So

6:02

just that pairing is an

6:04

awesome thing for the PGA Tour. I'm

6:06

super in on this event. I think

6:08

reducing the Pro-Am to just two days

6:11

makes a ton of sense, dropping MPCC. It's

6:13

a wonderful golf course, but having to be

6:16

just Pebble and Spyglass, it just

6:18

makes this event a lot cleaner, a

6:20

lot cleaner in the future of it.

6:22

And just in general, I'm way in

6:25

on this event. I'm

6:27

with you. I think the visuals alone are gonna be

6:29

awesome. I'm having all the best golfers, most

6:31

of the best golfers in the world on the same golf course.

6:34

I think weather is a little bit of a concern. So I

6:36

don't know if you've checked out the forecast, but looks

6:38

like it might be- I'm aware. I'm

6:40

aware. The atmospheric river's coming. The

6:43

low 50s and rain. I

6:45

think it could be good for entertainment on

6:48

the golf course. I hope so. Yeah, I just don't

6:50

wanna have a soggy finish.

6:52

We'll see, but I'm with you. It's gonna be a

6:54

great tournament. But one

6:57

thing I'm out on that's related

6:59

to the tournament, I

7:01

know this has been talked about a little bit. I'm

7:03

way out on the sponsor exemptions

7:05

and how they were used this week. And

7:08

specifically Peter Malnati,

7:10

Webb Simpson, Adam Scott, three policy

7:12

board members, all getting a sponsor

7:14

exemption into this event. Think

7:17

optically it's really bad. And I

7:20

mean, Peter Malnati and Webb Simpson are

7:22

two of the players with the

7:24

longest odds to win this tournament. Peter Malnati's

7:27

dead last. And I just think generally the tour

7:29

has a bit of an optics issue with some

7:32

back scratching. If you're

7:34

in the in crowd, maybe you'll get an invite

7:37

it to a $20 million purse with no

7:39

cuts. And I do have a problem with

7:41

it. Think sponsor exemptions can

7:43

be a tricky subject because nobody's

7:46

complaining about Nick Dunlap, right? Cause

7:49

I'm kind of philosophically opposed to sponsor exemptions in

7:51

general, but somebody could say, well, Nick Dunlap was

7:53

a great use of a sponsor exemption. Or

7:56

if Tiger wants to play, what

7:58

do you do then? Fair. And

8:00

I think my answer to both of those is that

8:02

there are ways to get them into the field that

8:04

aren't a sponsor exemption You could carve out a spot

8:07

for the reigning US amateur champion. That's

8:09

a good way to get somebody into the field without

8:11

having to Giving somebody the the

8:14

ability to just write an aim in that you

8:16

know You could get a situation like puresh

8:18

amin last year, which was a crazy

8:20

sponsor exemption at dessert class Oh those

8:22

can you explain what happened for those

8:24

that might might have forgotten about puresh

8:26

amin? Yeah Great breakdown on the

8:28

shotgun start there were no boundaries around what

8:30

a sponsor exemption could be so this guy

8:33

puresh amin that I'm hesitant to call him

8:35

a professional golfer though, I think he's played

8:37

some mini tour stuff routinely shoots in the

8:39

80s in mini

8:41

tour golf and Got

8:43

a sponsor exemption to dessert classic last year,

8:45

which is a partner event So

8:47

I think he ends up teaming up with Michael Thompson

8:49

if I remember correctly and I mean he was shooting

8:52

hitting terrible golf shots Might

8:55

have shot in the 80s on his own ball if

8:57

I recall correctly in the best ball portion of that

9:00

format So just generally

9:02

there have been some stinky

9:04

sponsor exemptions and I think this

9:06

week Even

9:08

if the opinion on that is a PGA

9:10

tour player like he's not puresh

9:12

amin but having three

9:15

of those spots go to policy board

9:17

members when it's a 20 million dollar

9:19

no-cut event, I think looks bad and

9:21

It I'm not gonna

9:23

say it puts a black cloud on the event it doesn't but I just

9:25

think generally the tour needs to clean that kind of stuff up That's

9:30

uh, I agree I I

9:32

don't know what the right answer is I

9:34

I but I do know that they are

9:36

not vitally important and I also know that

9:38

four It's not

9:40

the right number of sponsors exemptions

9:43

I could I could

9:45

I just think that there has to be

9:47

a really great reduction in

9:49

them I probably think that

9:51

it's a not even number no greater

9:54

than two, right? That's

9:56

probably the right number. I'm

9:58

inclined towards zero truly And

10:00

you figure out a way, you could use a

10:03

career money list type of exemption if you need

10:05

to or like in the Nick Dunlap case reigning

10:08

US amateur champion Like I'm just in favor

10:10

of getting them into the field organically and

10:12

not giving somebody the ability to just write a

10:14

name it so my

10:16

thought this is

10:18

just my my general thought is

10:21

that This this

10:23

is a great argument for trees like

10:25

on golf courses when somebody's like, oh

10:27

you can't you can't cut down trees

10:29

like you know, you're gonna

10:31

ruin the whole is if you walk

10:34

around with them and say Show

10:36

me the tree one tree You

10:39

could give them 18 trees one tree per hole 18

10:42

trees on a golf course that are

10:44

vitally important to the integrity

10:46

of this golf course, you

10:48

know when they when you Synthesize it down

10:50

to like that that 18 you get 18 trees you

10:52

could keep They'll

10:56

usually come back with like well, there's like

10:58

four important trees So

11:01

if you just reduce the sponsors

11:03

exemptions people are gonna be like, oh Like

11:06

these really aren't very important and it's a

11:09

way you get rid of them slowly tell

11:12

you what between the Sponsor exemption

11:14

talk and the tree talk. This is gonna be

11:16

Webb Simpson's least favorite segment of the Friday golf

11:18

podcast of all time I

11:20

don't he might agree. He might agree with

11:22

this like but you're not gonna

11:24

turn down Getting

11:27

into a no-cut event that's

11:29

got a 20 million dollar purse Right

11:32

has a legitimate impact on other people's careers,

11:34

right? Their FedEx cut points up for grabs

11:36

that This could end up

11:38

being the difference between why? Webb

11:41

Simpson gets a card next year versus matter.

11:43

It's nearly or Mad McNeilly.

11:45

Absolutely. Yeah, what else are you out on

11:47

this week? Andy, all right. I'm out. I'm

11:51

just out on the continued advancement

11:53

of modern drivers. Oh, yeah This

11:56

is uh, this is a topic that

11:58

I've approached many times here But I

12:01

see like some drivers that are touting if

12:03

you hit it off the center of the club

12:05

face The ball goes actually further then

12:08

if you hit it in the dead center of the sweet spot I

12:10

mean, what are we doing with professional golf?

12:12

Like I'm all for this for like

12:16

15 handicaps and 20 handicaps. I'm not saying

12:18

that we should be making the game more

12:20

approachable for them But

12:22

in the vein of professional golf, all we're doing

12:24

is we're just Obscuring

12:27

skill over and over again

12:29

like we're making it so it's just impossible

12:32

to tell who's better at golf and

12:34

it becomes just a putting

12:37

contest every week because off

12:39

the tee the ball like I have a new paradigm

12:41

I'm not gonna lie like The

12:44

thing always goes straight like it's hard

12:46

for me to hit bad tee shots

12:48

like really hard And

12:51

I just think that this driver technology has

12:53

gotten completely out of control Especially

12:57

when you're talking about the greatest players in the game We should

12:59

be you know, the the game

13:01

at the high level at the pro golf There's

13:03

so many things that are broken But this might

13:05

be the most broken thing aspect of all of

13:07

it is that we have We

13:11

have taken to the club that was the hardest club

13:13

to hit in the bag in the 90s And

13:16

it is now the easiest club to hit in the

13:18

bag as your driver without a doubt is

13:21

the easiest Club to hit in the

13:23

bag so now we have everybody

13:25

can get off the tee and Then

13:27

it just makes the game

13:30

so much less interesting and really it

13:32

what is doing I saw

13:34

there was a Shane our Ryan article and

13:36

golf die just this week about how golf

13:38

doesn't have any needle movers well,

13:40

you know why because dominance

13:43

greatness in golf

13:45

is being obscured by equipment and The

13:49

the sooner we rain this stuff back the

13:51

sooner we make the driver hard to hit

13:53

again The

13:55

sooner we'll know who the actual superstars of

13:57

the sport are so I'm just so

13:59

out on this

14:02

new driver technology and the idea

14:04

that the world's best players have

14:06

clubs that you can hit it anywhere

14:08

on the club face and have it go

14:10

out of the park. And I don't want to

14:12

make a crazy comparison to Stereae Baseball but

14:15

that's the same thing it was. It was

14:17

like, oh, a broken bat home run for

14:20

the guy that was juiced up, right? Like this

14:22

is insane. You shouldn't be able to just neck

14:24

it and have it go 320. Bring

14:27

back distance dispersion with

14:29

the driver. I think that's the big thing that

14:31

you see with the old clubs is that there

14:34

was a chance the ball might go 260. If

14:36

you hit it on the nuts it's gonna go

14:38

290 but you

14:40

had a 30 yard, there's no distance

14:42

dispersion now. Totally agree

14:44

Andy. I mean anecdotally I could not hit a

14:46

driver in high school and now with a modern

14:48

driver like I'm pretty good with my driver and

14:50

it's not because my swing is a lot better.

14:54

There was a moment during the farmers

14:56

insurance open where within

14:58

like a two-minute span you had a

15:02

commercial for the Callaway AI Smoke,

15:04

this new driver, which literally says

15:07

they show the visual of

15:09

the driver and they show all these different circles where you

15:11

can hit on the driver head and they

15:13

say in the commercial whether you hit one

15:16

off the toe, heel, high or low there's

15:18

a speed spot there and then

15:20

within two minutes there's Zandra Shoffley hitting

15:23

the AI Smoke in the event and

15:25

he kind of one hand finishes the

15:28

driver he doesn't strike it well and it goes

15:30

like right past Tony Finau's ball who had just

15:32

hit one that he hit pretty well. It's

15:35

right in front of your face that you don't have

15:37

to hit the center of the club face and they're

15:39

advertising it. So I agree with you like maybe for

15:42

the amateur that's fine but at the

15:44

professional level I think it's extremely distasteful and

15:46

promoting it as if it's a good thing.

15:48

I think it's clearly taking

15:50

away from the skill and the sport so wholeheartedly

15:52

agree with you. I'm out on that too. All

15:56

right. Well, that's it. Let's

15:59

get to Shane Baker. and Anthony

16:01

Kim. But

16:04

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17:41

Now let's get to Shane and our Anthony

17:43

Kim discussion. Alright

17:54

Shane, welcome on. Big news.

17:57

I'm excited to talk in-depth about this

17:59

big... news last week was Anthony

18:01

Kim is mulling a return to

18:03

golf, potentially live,

18:05

potentially a PGA Tour.

18:08

Obviously, Anthony Kim, for

18:10

the vast majority of our adulthood,

18:13

really like post-college life,

18:16

has been a bit of an internet folk

18:19

hero. We had Anthony Kim in

18:21

our early 20s and Joseph, you

18:23

had Anthony Kim in your teen years, your coming of

18:26

age years, but he's

18:28

been gone for a while. The

18:32

last week, I've really been rebooting

18:34

some Anthony Kim memories, thinking

18:37

about his golf game in detail.

18:40

I figured that would be a good

18:42

exercise is to really go in depth

18:44

as to who Anthony Kim was, our

18:46

favorite memories from the Anthony Kim

18:48

years, and then talk

18:50

about who he might be if

18:53

he comes back. What type of

18:55

player would he profile as if we took

18:58

his stats from yesteryear and translate

19:00

them to today? How would he

19:04

rank in the world scheme if

19:06

he came back with no rust?

19:09

It's a fascinating topic, and it'll

19:11

be interesting to see in the

19:14

coming days or weeks if he

19:16

ends up returning to golf.

19:18

I would guess

19:21

it's going to be Liv, but we can

19:23

talk more about that later.

19:25

Just before we get really

19:29

in depth, what are your guys'

19:32

memories of AK? Andy,

19:34

I just want to say I was

19:36

reminded via Twitter, I wrote

19:39

a mailbag for foxsports.com

19:41

back in 2016.

19:44

What's that, eight years ago? The headline

19:46

of the mailbag was, what would break

19:48

golf medium or a tiger win for

19:50

an Anthony Kim return to the PGA

19:52

tour? Unfortunately, as I go to click

19:54

that link, it's dead. This

19:57

is how far back Anthony Kim stories go, is

19:59

you get dead links. So yeah,

20:01

I mean listen, this has been something

20:04

we've talked a lot about Joseph I know

20:06

again not in your range your age range

20:08

necessarily, but for Andy and I I think

20:11

Andy's 38. Is that right Andy? 37

20:13

your Almost I'm

20:15

approaching 38 So

20:17

I mean this guy's like literally right in the middle of you and

20:19

I I mean I'm 40 and you're 37 in a case 38

20:22

so when you talk about The

20:25

next thing after tiger when tiger burst on

20:27

the scene and we were a little younger

20:29

Maybe then we'd been kind of formidable years

20:31

if you will A.K. Was kind

20:33

of our guy even before Rory McElroy and

20:36

Jordan Spee so for you and I I

20:38

mean the Anthony Kim return Has

20:40

always been something we have at least you know

20:42

hope to see in some capacity Yeah,

20:45

I mean it's it's been a topic and

20:48

and obviously there are a lot of factors

20:50

into this And we'll

20:52

get into them all but I figure what

20:54

would be really instructive is a

20:57

little bit of Anthony Kim background I

20:59

got I got in the weeds this

21:01

brought back some memories of the shotgun start

21:03

spotlights that Brendan and I Literally

21:05

text about every every month about

21:08

bringing back You know,

21:10

but I got into the weeds

21:12

found some really really great articles

21:15

The great the really the best article about

21:17

Anthony Kim that I would urge everybody to

21:19

go read and a lot of stuff that

21:21

I'm Gonna go through here is from is

21:24

Tom Callahan's Golf Digest article One

21:26

of the greatest golf writers of all

21:28

time Tom Callahan and he did an

21:31

unbelievable profile I believe in 2009 on

21:34

Anthony Kim, so let's get into

21:36

some a.k. Basics He's

21:39

38 years old as Shane mentioned He

21:41

was the son of two Korean immigrants

21:43

and he was born in Koreatown in

21:45

LA His parents

21:48

like were not obviously well off

21:50

But they owned a spice shop

21:52

in LA that became like pretty

21:55

popular and they they accumulated like

21:57

pretty substantial wealth He

22:00

He was promising player and

22:03

the parents had enough money that they

22:05

were able to buy a second house

22:07

in La Quinta. So at age

22:09

16, I think this is just like a

22:11

great intro story about Anthony Kim, at age

22:14

16 he was living basically on his own.

22:18

His mom would go out every

22:20

week and basically make meals for

22:23

the week. You see that

22:25

obviously on social media now where you cook

22:27

something on Sunday for the whole week, like

22:29

you basically prepackage all your lunches. His

22:32

mom was coming out and making him lunch

22:34

for the week and then going back home,

22:36

he's 16 years old, living at

22:38

PGA West, playing golf every day. It's

22:40

crazy. Yeah, yeah. So

22:43

his parents would visit on the weekends and

22:45

he was on his own during the

22:47

week. Any

22:49

parent out there, just think about the

22:52

craziness of this, but this was their

22:54

dedication to his golf game. They knew

22:56

that living in the city of

22:58

LA and the golf

23:00

that was afforded him was not as

23:03

conducive as him living in Palm

23:05

Springs. So they, huge sacrifice for

23:07

his golf. Here's from a

23:10

Callahan Golf Digest article and this

23:12

is amazing. Growing

23:16

up in LA, this is where Kim resolved

23:18

to choke up on every shot, not really

23:20

because the

23:24

shaft was too long, simply because that part

23:26

of the grip felt good to him. So

23:28

he was notorious. He choked up about

23:30

an inch and a half on every shot. It

23:33

was just something that you knew from him. Here's

23:36

Nick D'Amico, who was

23:39

the marshal at the golf course. We're

23:41

so proud of Anthony. He had

23:43

a little bit of a rep when he was

23:45

nine and 10. What a cocky

23:47

little bastard he was. No, we

23:49

all loved him. We'd look

23:51

out at that 230 yard sign hanging on

23:53

the back, high back netting and say, someday

23:55

I'm going to drive a ball over that

23:57

fence. I told him to drive a ball.

23:59

them, it's part of my job.

24:02

Anthony, to make sure balls don't go

24:04

over that fence, but it's okay with me if

24:06

you want to try. Um,

24:08

here's Ron Del Barrio, who was

24:10

a teaching pro at this little

24:12

nine hole course, nine hole par

24:14

three course. They grew up at,

24:16

you always knew when Anthony was

24:18

here, because you could hear that

24:20

unmistakable crack of the ball. Newcomers

24:22

would turn around and ask who

24:25

hit that? He barely came up to the

24:27

waist of the guys. He challenged to two

24:29

holes matches up one and back down nine

24:31

for a buck. That's my memory

24:33

of him here. Returning with a smile

24:36

on his face, waving a dollar bill.

24:38

So Andy, it seems like,

24:40

like, I remember Natalie Gold was telling me years

24:43

ago that the two players that made the different

24:45

sound with the golf club were tiger and Adam

24:47

Scott, when you read through old Anthony

24:49

Kim stories, it seems like he was one of

24:51

those guys as well. I mean, I was going

24:53

through old articles, like Phil Mickelson talking

24:55

about how good he hit the ball golf

24:58

ball, Rory McElroy talking about how solid he

25:00

hit it every single time. Brian Harmon, um,

25:02

was on with Colton drew and they were talking,

25:05

he was talking about the ball striking when they

25:07

play together at the Walker cup at

25:09

Chicago. Just his ability to hit it in

25:11

the center of the face at all times

25:14

was the separator. You know, when you think about

25:16

him coming up as a junior golfer and a

25:19

great young player, was he was the ball

25:21

striker that great ball strikers envy? Yeah.

25:23

Yeah. I mean, he was, he

25:25

was electric, electric. So he

25:27

went to Oklahoma real quick,

25:29

real quick. Just, just want to touch the

25:32

shipnuck article as well. Shipnuck wrote a piece

25:34

about AK and he talked a little bit

25:36

about AK and his dad's relationship, and

25:38

there was some Earl Woodsy

25:40

in situations between Paul AK's

25:43

dad and AK He once threw a

25:45

first place trophy away that Anthony had won

25:47

because he said he didn't shoot low enough,

25:49

even though he won first place. He threw

25:51

it in the trash and they had a,

25:53

a spat, I Believe it might've been when

25:55

he was in college where the two didn't

25:57

talk to each other for two years. So

25:59

there was. The lot of that. Pushing.

26:01

Your son as much as you can push some. Type.

26:04

Of situation between dad and son with Anthony

26:06

Kim. That. You know, was probably

26:08

a big part of how he got so

26:10

great so early, yet obviously there was some

26:13

some background battles between the two. That.

26:15

They dealt with and internally with the family. Yeah.

26:18

I. Mean, I. Did take

26:20

the push and pull of youth sports right?

26:22

I thought. I don't know if you

26:24

guys watch that. I Yannick centers that speech

26:26

yeah ah at their at Australian Open after

26:29

winning I thought that was amazing is that

26:31

I said I wish everybody a parents like

26:33

mine basically as such a cool line to

26:35

say right? I mean, I know just what

26:37

are your kids, but you know for a

26:39

I, it's like reason these little kids. I

26:41

mean just imagining. I'm saying something that nice

26:44

and that thoughtful when they're eighteen. nineteen, twenty

26:46

twenty two. I mean, that's the dream, right

26:48

is that you can raise him in his

26:50

perfect weights. Yet on the other end you

26:52

see somebody great athletes. And had parents that push

26:54

the hell out of of the in Armenia. It's really

26:56

a push and pull. it suffered. Talked about. What?

26:59

Was the sport ya neck was air is

27:01

a sinner. I you know his whole thesis

27:03

behind his parents was they let me do

27:05

whatever I wanted. Ah, I'm in. He

27:07

was. He. Won some sort of

27:09

world Junior a vent and at each

27:12

eleven another sport I'm forgetting right now

27:14

and then. He is winning the Australian

27:16

Open it at age twenty two. When

27:19

a sailor, some skiing or swim

27:21

hear something isn't something about it

27:24

like use great skier world where

27:26

world you know like a world

27:28

class junior steer and is eleven

27:31

and then literally eleven years later.

27:34

He's. Winning one of the grand slams

27:36

had tennis. I'm unbelievable and. I

27:38

think like real. You. Know Ah

27:40

should be real fuel for allowing

27:43

kids to experiment, play different sports.

27:45

Any on it? Maybe I'm going ahead of us a

27:48

little bit. that on the Anthony Kim. part

27:50

of this is because amateur data isn't as

27:52

good when you go back that far but

27:54

can you paint a little bit of a

27:56

picture of how height of a prospect anthony

27:58

kim was yelling and oklahoma Are

28:00

you maybe you're getting into that and some of

28:02

his amateur accolades But that's something that's still unclear

28:04

to me because there's this conversation now of it

28:07

was Anthony Kim Overrated and do we over glorify

28:09

him when we look back at the time? So

28:11

curious how if you can paint the picture of

28:13

his early amateur career leading in he

28:16

was I mean he was like all he was Legitimately

28:18

great great prospect

28:21

huge boom going to Oklahoma And

28:24

when he gets to Oklahoma Immediately

28:27

one of the best college golfers in the

28:30

in the country like all American all three

28:32

years, right? All three years all American best

28:34

scoring average in Oklahoma history at the point

28:36

that time, right? Yeah, so here

28:38

you go So he's three-time All-American 2005

28:41

Walker Cup he turned pro in

28:44

2006 after three years at Oklahoma

28:47

His last year he was a second team

28:49

All-American and we'll get into why Tom

28:53

Callahan article again In

28:56

college Kim hardly has

28:58

to say kids drink every single day

29:00

That's what I did when you're in college you

29:02

feel invincible You don't have to

29:05

make a tee time because you're on full scholarship at

29:07

OU Whether you go to class

29:09

or not, it doesn't matter. I tried to go

29:11

to class as little as possible What was

29:13

this major? I majored in

29:15

not picking a major He says I

29:17

just kept it undecided Bidding

29:19

my time until I turned pro he

29:22

planned to spend just one year in Norman

29:24

mainly to please his mother But she wheeled

29:26

two more out of them. However

29:29

in Anthony's third and final year He

29:31

went a little haywire which is

29:33

to say backward not so much

29:35

on the merits as on the demerits Kim

29:38

slipped from first team All-American to second.

29:41

How could I be second team? He thought

29:43

at the time and one of

29:45

the best fields we played all year I

29:47

won by eight shots before that another good

29:49

field I won by seven But

29:51

he says now it's also true that I

29:53

was benched for a few tournaments I don't

29:56

know probably five tournaments and I said stupid

29:58

things all the time. I still say

30:00

super things, the bottom line, it's taken

30:02

me a while to come to this,

30:05

is that it was mostly by fault. You

30:07

can't screw up yourself if that expects the

30:09

best from someone else. So just

30:11

like, I mean, he's just golfed

30:14

everything second to partying when he gets

30:16

to college and he's still just dominating

30:18

college. I mean, you talk about foreshadowing

30:20

for, you know, the big moments of

30:22

his careers that I know we'll get

30:24

to Allenby in a bit. I

30:26

mean, the fact that he, you know, we

30:28

joke, I know we've joked at times about

30:30

if there was like a booze tournament for

30:32

professional golfers who would win. It feels like

30:34

Anthony Kim would have been the heavy favorite

30:36

in that apartment. Shipnuck in his article about

30:38

AK, I think he said he had a

30:40

double major at Oklahoma and it was girls

30:42

and partying. You know, I mean, that obviously

30:45

was the focus, you know, when he was in Oklahoma

30:47

was he was going to party first, he was going

30:49

to play great golf second, and he knew even with

30:51

party and the great golf was going to come because

30:53

that's how talented he was. Yeah,

30:55

it's the talent was is

30:57

unbelievable. So he he turned

30:59

pro in 2006. In

31:03

his first event, he gets a

31:05

sponsors exemption into the Vilaro Texas

31:07

Open. He finishes second, 65 in

31:10

the final round to nearly win.

31:12

Eric actually won that week. And

31:14

he said, Andy, I don't know if you have this,

31:17

but he said after that, the second place finish, he

31:19

said that was the worst thing

31:21

that could have happened to me was what he said because

31:23

he said he liked shiny things. And

31:25

I think he got like two hundred fifty thousand dollar

31:27

check for second place. And he said nothing could have

31:29

been worse for it for him right out of the

31:31

gate and been playing that well in his first PGA

31:34

tour event. So this is the

31:36

Callahan Digest article. Speaking

31:38

of headaches, Anthony wasn't finished

31:40

with the vodka in 2006, previewing the PGA tour

31:43

at two stops. So he only got

31:45

two sponsor exemptions. Kim had

31:48

either the good or bad fortune to

31:50

succeed instantly, debuting at

31:52

the Vilaro Texas Open on sponsors

31:54

exemption. He finished tied for second

31:57

and earned three hundred grand until that

31:59

moment. Anthony wasn't completely sure he could make

32:01

a living with his golf clubs. This may

32:03

sound crazy, he says, but at the Valero,

32:05

I kind of figured it out. After

32:08

that, and for a long while, he was

32:10

a little too sure. That first

32:12

year, I didn't know what happened. It

32:15

was a train wreck of a year. I did

32:17

everything wrong you could possibly do. I didn't deserve

32:19

to keep my card. I don't know how many

32:21

golf balls I hit in 2007, but it couldn't

32:25

have been in the thousands. Sometimes I would

32:27

hit 10 for a week. I

32:29

just played the tournament and that's not me.

32:31

That's Carlos Franco. Carlos

32:33

Franco. I

32:35

need to hit golf balls and loosen up and go

32:37

through my routine. I didn't do that. I stayed out

32:39

every night. Everyone saw it. I didn't

32:41

respect the game. It didn't, I didn't respect

32:43

myself on a hungover day. He'd sit back

32:45

and reflect. What are you doing? Uh,

32:48

but he knew the answer. You're screwing off

32:50

instead of working. And then you're tired for

32:52

the next three weeks to try and take

32:54

some of that tiredness away, you go out

32:57

on the town again, looking for a rhythm.

32:59

Now you're two months tired, exhausted, ashamed, and

33:01

that's how my year went. So he

33:03

does those two sponsors exemptions. And

33:06

then he got his card through Q school. So he

33:08

finished T 13 and Q school. That's how he played

33:10

2007. So

33:12

he kind of like at the end of 2007

33:14

turn kind of started

33:17

to take golf more seriously, and one

33:19

person that he went to, to help

33:22

out was, uh, Marco Mira. Well,

33:24

and Andy, not to, not to interrupt you, but I think one

33:27

interesting, the 2007 season and

33:29

how you described it as a catastrophe,

33:32

he still played like decent golf by

33:34

other people's standards. Like he was somewhere

33:36

around 30th and strokes gained for the

33:38

season, made 20 cuts

33:41

in 26 starts at four top 10.

33:44

So not like the prolific career

33:46

that he would have the next year,

33:48

but it wasn't like 2007, he missed every cut.

33:51

Like it's, it's interesting to look at his

33:54

stats compared to maybe how it was described

33:56

and how badly he says he hit the

33:58

ball because it wasn't a complete disaster. articles

34:00

about him being one of the best rookies of the year. And

34:03

I think that's an interesting thing with this whole,

34:05

like people look back now at

34:07

the stats and be like, well look

34:09

at these bad years. And here

34:11

it's like, yeah, I went out every night,

34:14

I partied every night, and

34:16

like that would be a detraction if you just

34:18

looked at the stats, right? This is the context

34:20

behind the stats is some of what was going

34:22

on in his life. And then the back half,

34:25

like we only have a couple good years of

34:27

AK like to look at because then he

34:29

had the injuries, right? And that's where

34:31

we've gotten to now, like that is

34:33

the story till now, is the injuries,

34:35

the time away. But

34:38

like there's only a couple good

34:40

years. So 2008 is his

34:42

big year where he kind

34:45

of burst on the scene. And he

34:47

became the first player to win

34:49

twice in a year under

34:52

the age of 25 since Tiger and he got

34:54

to six in the world rankings. But you know,

34:56

the big thing, and this is from the Cal

34:59

hand pieces, like he kind of started to clean

35:01

up his lifestyle and he went to Marco

35:03

Mira. So of course, Mark was the

35:05

first veteran veteran to throw an arm

35:07

around Tiger Woods. Because of my

35:10

relationship with Tiger, he says, I'm constantly

35:12

asked who's the next young player coming

35:14

along. I've been hard pressed to

35:16

come up with a name, you know, Bill Haas is

35:18

a nice player. There are a number

35:20

of good talented kids out there. But

35:23

after I played three rounds with Anthony, I

35:25

picked up the phone and called Tiger. This

35:27

kid I've just finished playing golf with,

35:30

I said, is the second

35:32

best young player I've ever seen come

35:34

along. Anthony acknowledges I don't

35:36

have any swing thoughts. I'm not smart enough

35:39

to have a lot of swing thoughts. Well,

35:41

I mean, there was like a famous, there was a famous

35:43

moment where he's at a clinic or something with Tiger. And

35:46

I think Tiger was like talking through the 50

35:49

things that go into a good golf swing.

35:51

And then they turned to AK and it

35:53

was like literally kind of like

35:56

the 10 cup moment where he's like grip it or rip

35:58

it, you know, after the long poem he does. as

36:00

the Rene Russo, it's like that was the way AK

36:02

kind of thought about the golf game was, you

36:04

know what's interesting, Joseph, was I feel like

36:07

Anthony Kim was extremely ahead of his time

36:09

in the way he played golf. Hit

36:11

it as far as he could hit it, hit drive

36:13

all over the place, and he never shied away from

36:15

a flag stick. Obviously that was a big part of

36:18

some of his success was there was

36:20

no fear in the game. And when you hear about those

36:22

types of players, Phil talked a lot about it with AK

36:24

when he was asked about it. Like Phil

36:26

was like, this dude is not scared of

36:28

any flag. And that's coming from Phil Mickelson,

36:30

who for 25 years was never scared of

36:32

a flag, you know? Well, it's interesting you

36:34

say that because I have, I agree to

36:36

an extent, and then there's some ways

36:39

in which I disagree. Don't

36:41

have as detailed of data going back

36:43

then, but one thing I noticed, some

36:45

of the unbelievable volatility, obviously

36:48

in his life, but also on his scorecards,

36:51

to me it does probably scream of somebody who

36:53

was ahead of his time with some of the

36:55

speed and some of the distance, but with

36:57

the not being scared of flag sticks, I

37:00

would guess there were a lot of

37:02

over aggressive decisions. I see like double

37:04

bogeys on par fives, some

37:08

big numbers, tons of birdies.

37:11

So I would probably say from like

37:13

a course management perspective, he was probably

37:16

behind on some of the conservatism with

37:18

his approach shots, but agree

37:20

with the speed and the aggression off of

37:22

the tee. But it clearly looks to me

37:25

like somebody that could have benefited from some

37:27

better on course decision making, which seems to

37:29

be kind of go along with the general

37:32

theme of how you live. I think the

37:34

times though, the times like course strategy and

37:36

decision making, this was

37:38

part of development of a tour

37:40

pro. Like now with

37:42

the systems, like the shot link data, this

37:45

was pretty shot link data. You didn't understand,

37:47

it was like people's peaks were late

37:50

20s, early 30s, because

37:53

that's when you like start to

37:55

naturally figure out not to

37:57

aim at flags. Like I like have

37:59

this. You figured that out as

38:01

a golfer, but you

38:04

know now kids are figuring it out because

38:06

they're being taught that at high school levels

38:08

Right. It's also Andy. It's also a skill.

38:10

I mean, I think it's a skill to

38:12

hit away from flags I think aggressive players,

38:14

you know in human nature See

38:16

a flag and even if they're aiming away at

38:19

it in their mind the back of their head

38:21

They're thinking, you know The pins on the left

38:23

side and there's water left and they're thinking of

38:25

themselves named 30 feet right the aggressive

38:27

mindset still wants to pull That shot right and

38:29

so that's actually a skill set to not in

38:31

a way kind of blank the flag out from

38:33

your brain And I think it's one of those

38:35

things that if a K had played another

38:37

six seven years consistently He

38:39

probably would have got a lot more comfortable doing

38:41

that You know like tiger was one of the

38:43

great players ever that conservative great shots, right? Yeah,

38:45

people always think about tiger is this dude that

38:48

would knock down flag sticks tiger was unbelievable at

38:50

aiming 20 feet away from A flag and hitting

38:52

it there totally agree Shane and

38:54

I think it requires a level of maturity and

38:57

Humility to aim away from a flag a little

38:59

bit and when I was going back through some

39:01

of his scorecards The a

39:03

lot of humility in the scorecards There's a

39:05

lot of double bogeys and birdies and I

39:07

think this gets talked about college coaches allude

39:09

to this But when they see that upside

39:11

that players are making eagles on par fives

39:13

and it's easier to clean up Some

39:16

of those double bogeys and turn them into

39:18

pars than it is to you know, coach

39:20

somebody's ceiling when they're making those Eagles So

39:23

I think Anthony Kim it kind of screams

39:25

of that type of profile. So that again

39:27

lines up its personality. Yeah, it's

39:29

uh, It's I don't

39:31

know. It's interesting to think about him

39:34

as in a different era I think

39:36

like we see this with

39:38

almost all professional athletes 2008

39:43

like if you compare it to NBA players like

39:45

NBA players today are so much more mature Like

39:48

there's so much more ready to handle You

39:51

know being a professional athlete and across

39:53

the board in all sports We've seen

39:55

like the maturity and the professionalism of

39:57

athletes get so much higher Like

40:01

there are just, and I think like

40:03

with golfers, it's the same thing. Like we

40:05

see, like, look at Ludwig O'Bare, right?

40:08

Just comes right on. He's ready to go.

40:10

Like there's just so much more

40:13

information and help to

40:15

make these transitions than there,

40:17

there was, you know, in

40:20

at this time. Right. Andy, can I throw

40:22

something at you that I'm almost positive Joseph

40:24

is not going to remember and I definitely

40:26

didn't remember until about 45 minutes ago. Do

40:30

you remember a show called Shaq versus? Do

40:33

you remember this at all? Yes. You do?

40:35

Vaguely, very vaguely. Shaq

40:38

versus was a show

40:40

that Shaq put on with ABC

40:42

where he would battle other

40:44

athletes at their own sports. This

40:46

was Shaq's goal was to say, I'm

40:49

the best athlete in the world.

40:51

Okay. And he would, like

40:53

he threw footballs against Raffa's burger. And one

40:55

of the episodes now he was terrible. He

40:57

would lose every single time, but

40:59

he did do a match on Shaq versus

41:02

it was Shaq and Anthony Kim versus

41:05

Charles Barkley playing left-handed

41:07

because he had such bad yips that

41:09

he had to swing lefty off the tee and

41:11

his short game was righty. He

41:13

played with Bubba and AK and

41:16

Shaq wanted to play off hole. Shaq made like

41:18

a 30 foot curler and AK

41:20

went up to him to get all fired

41:22

up. Shaq almost went and jumped

41:24

in the pod. I was watching highlights this

41:26

morning of it, but like this was the

41:29

celebrity of AK was this show where Shaquille

41:31

O'Neal, you know, in the, in the mid-2000s

41:34

was as big a deal as it existed in

41:36

sports, both physically and just his terms of his

41:38

presence. He's picking Anthony Kim to be

41:40

his partner on the show. So that's the

41:42

level of fame. Prime. He's in his, that's

41:44

a very end of his prime, really. Right.

41:47

Right. He's still playing in the NBA and like

41:49

2009 you had the weird sons there. I

41:52

think it was, I think this was when he was on

41:54

the Celtics by the way. I think the Shaq versus existed

41:56

was he was a Celtics Shaq. You had the sons in

41:58

Celtics era. weird. The

42:00

Cavs Shaq jersey's got to be the

42:02

weirdest, but yes, I digress. Post Heaps

42:04

Shaq is just a weird weird kind

42:07

of like, yeah. Um,

42:09

all right. So a little bit more on 2008. It

42:12

was my best year. He dead pants as

42:15

far as understanding myself anyway, not

42:17

since tiger had any American, uh, under

42:19

25, one twice on the PGA tour.

42:21

Plus wood says he did it on

42:23

two great golf courses, Quail Hollow and

42:26

congressional. I knew you'd like that. Get

42:28

graded. Granted, you think about

42:30

modern golf courses and professional golf, especially

42:32

PGA tour golf, like that's the

42:34

layout. And he's winning on those kind of big

42:36

boy golf courses that, you know, tend

42:39

to favor long hitters. So, I

42:41

mean, in, in 2024, it

42:43

seems like AK would have existed in a good

42:45

place with the way golf is right. You

42:48

want to know who he beat

42:50

in the, uh, Wachovia, which was

42:52

Quail Hollow and congressional, which

42:54

was the AT&T, which was Tigers term. I think

42:56

I've got 2008. I think what

42:59

Kovea was Ben Curtis, correct? Yeah. So

43:01

good. And then, and then,

43:04

uh, at AT&T dusted the junk

43:06

man, Freddy Jacobson, Oh

43:08

yeah. Captain ball

43:10

striker. Um, I, I urge you, Andy,

43:12

I don't know if you run the

43:14

shotgun start account or Friday social account,

43:16

but they used to give out jackets.

43:18

If you won the Wachovia, they

43:21

were these, they are so blue.

43:24

I'd say they are like Duke blue

43:26

devil blue jackets. And AKs

43:29

winning press conference, he's wearing this jacket.

43:31

It is awful. An awful jacket

43:33

and God, I hope he still has it in his

43:35

closet. They

43:37

a good question. If you could ask him

43:39

if he comes back, you know, press, where's

43:41

the blue jacket, baby? Yeah. Um,

43:44

do you have more on 2008 Andy? Yeah,

43:46

a little bit more. So he would says

43:48

he did it on two great golf courses.

43:51

Uh, they're not exactly the easiest courses on

43:53

tour and he handled both of them.

43:55

He's always had the talent. Now he has the

43:57

experience of winning and that breeds comp. confidence.

44:00

So that year, Kim wins twice.

44:02

He gathered eight top tens, including

44:04

second place and three-thirds, climbed

44:06

as high as six in the world, finished

44:08

the year six on the money

44:10

list. And then at the Ryder

44:13

Cup, he makes a big

44:15

splash. Ryder Cup rookie, obviously the

44:17

famous with him with the flag

44:19

around him. He goes out first

44:21

in Sunday singles and absolutely dust

44:23

Sergio Garcia. Just the American

44:26

nemesis, he beats him

44:28

I think five and four in that

44:30

match. By the way, that

44:32

match is on YouTube. If you want to ever

44:34

want to watch something late at night and you're missing

44:36

out on something, football kind of wraps up. It's a

44:39

great watch. I watched it this summer. But I

44:41

don't know if you guys remember this. AK didn't

44:43

realize the match was over and was walking to the

44:45

next screen. And they had to like wave them

44:47

back over. Jose Maria and Sergio are actually laughing

44:49

as he was literally like pounding pavement

44:51

to go after he made about a

44:53

10-footer to win the match. And had no idea

44:55

that he'd won the match. But I was diving

44:57

a little into this Andy about that

45:00

moment, that Ryder Cup. And there

45:02

was some great zinger stuff on AK. He said he was

45:04

our team leader, chip on the shoulder guy. You know a

45:06

lot of that stuff he talked about. But he

45:08

said he kept saying, I want to play Sergio.

45:10

I want to play Sergio. Zing, let me play

45:13

Sergio. I'm gonna whoop his ass for you today

45:15

captain. That's what he said on the first tee.

45:17

And Zinger said after the match ended, the first

45:19

thing he said to him on the green after

45:22

they all shook hands, he said, I told you

45:24

I was gonna whoop his ass. Like he wanted

45:26

the best young European player and he absolutely whacked

45:28

the floor with them. So you know you talk

45:30

about moments in his career outside of the Masters

45:33

I'm sure we'll get to. 08 was

45:36

the moment. Like that was when Anthony Kim really

45:38

arrived. Huge, huge moment. This

45:40

is the pinnacle really of his

45:42

career. This is 2008. I'm

45:45

just gonna run through the rest of this here. So 2009

45:47

the big highlight. Andy,

45:51

hold on one second. Joseph, do you have

45:53

08 stats for him? Just like how good

45:55

he was statistically or anything like that? Well

45:58

I'll get to a little bit of that I guess when... when we talk

46:00

about profiling with a current player, but the only

46:02

other notes I had on 2008 that

46:04

I thought were interesting, yeah, some

46:07

of the power courses, Quail Hollow, Congressional,

46:09

gets his wins. He also finished runner

46:11

up at Harbor Town. And

46:13

that's right, not a course that you traditionally think

46:15

of as being a Bombers course, it's not, right?

46:17

It's more of a positional

46:19

course, good short game. So interesting to see

46:21

him do well there. And then I just

46:23

thought the Tour Championship leaderboard was pretty

46:25

funny at Eastlake in 2008. You had

46:28

Camila Viegas beat Sergio in

46:30

a playoff. Phil and

46:33

Anthony Kim were tied for third.

46:35

And then fourth place or fifth

46:37

place was four shots behind them.

46:39

So just like, Anthony Kim's year was

46:42

really impressive. And he didn't just show it in his

46:44

two wins. I mean, it was a solid year throughout.

46:47

Wait, did he start at six under or?

46:51

I believe it was a real tournament back then

46:53

where everyone started at the same score. Okay,

46:56

I just wanted to ask. That

46:58

leaderboard was actually that great leaderboard.

47:00

It's not just, you know, wasn't

47:02

just doctored to get that, right?

47:04

No. Okay. And

47:07

to answer your question, he was, he, Anthony

47:09

Kim, strokes

47:11

gained like the raw, unadjusted for

47:14

strength of field, but he was gaining

47:16

1.55 strokes per round in 2008. He

47:20

was third on tour. So elite.

47:24

That's, yeah, it's something.

47:28

2008, that's the year to hold on to, right? So

47:31

2009, early 2009, makes 11 birdies in

47:35

the second round of the Masters. Shoot 65. This

47:39

could be, you know, this could be like to

47:41

Joseph's point and maybe some of these birdies

47:43

were because he was firing at every flag.

47:45

Made 11, but he probably made

47:48

a lot of bogeys. He shot 65. You

47:50

know? I think he made two bogeys in a double, by the way,

47:52

is what he did that day. I

47:55

got a lot of stuff on this round. You want to hear it? Yes. Yes.

47:58

He finishes third in that Masters. He beats. Nick Price's

48:00

10 birdie record at Augusta

48:03

National. So real quick, do

48:05

you guys remember who he played with in

48:08

that round, second round and he made 11

48:10

birdies? Sorry, great. He finished third in the 2010 Masters.

48:13

Correct, correct. Oh nine, he finished 20th, yeah. When

48:15

he made the 11 birdies, he shot 75, I

48:17

think in the opening round. You know, he

48:20

didn't play great then, makes the 11 birdies.

48:22

Playing alongside, this is great for your little

48:24

golf Jeopardy class, Rio Ishikawa,

48:27

a very young Rory McElroy.

48:29

Wow. Rory up close, got to

48:31

see the 11 birdies. There's a

48:33

great story, I believe it was

48:35

a to share article about him

48:38

talking to Smiley about this at one point. And he said,

48:40

I got to see it up close, it was crazy. Did

48:43

not birdie two, so doesn't birdie

48:45

the second hole to par five. And

48:47

maybe the most impressive part about this,

48:49

the second round scoring average that day

48:51

at the Masters, 74,

48:54

eight, four, the highest it'd be all week, 17

48:57

players in the field of 96 broke par. Three

49:00

of those rounds were under 70 and

49:03

he shoots 65 with 11 birdies. He

49:07

birdied one, three, five, six, seven, eight, 12, 13, 14,

49:09

15, and made a 12 footer on 18 to

49:14

break Nick Price's record. Crazy, crazy stuff.

49:16

It's actually like one of the great

49:18

rounds that could also be considered a

49:20

psycho scorecard just with the double and

49:22

the two bogeys in there. Just

49:24

unbelievable, unbelievable to make 11 birdies. Like

49:27

I wonder how many birdies I wish

49:29

I would have done this. He made

49:32

and route to a T20 tournament. But

49:38

that's what I'm saying, like that's what all of his scorecards

49:40

look like. The tour championship in 2008, he

49:42

has a 64 and a 72 in that tournament.

49:44

Like that's what a lot of his results look

49:46

like. It's on brand. So

49:50

that year also he goes three and

49:52

one at the President's Cup. The

49:55

famous match

49:58

probably, I think probably the the

50:00

most enduring AK memory

50:03

for me is this run-in with

50:05

Robert Allen B. None other than

50:07

Robert Allen B. Everybody's favorite

50:10

Australian golf legend. Stayed

50:13

out till four, beat him five and three. Allegedly.

50:16

Allegedly stayed out till four and

50:19

was deemed to be by Allen

50:21

B. Sideways. And I

50:23

think he came out and he said he shot,

50:25

he said he shot 66 and smoked me five

50:27

and three or something. I mean, it was some

50:29

crazy round of golf that he put together. Yeah.

50:33

Just laid the wood on him. Just

50:36

smoked Allen B. And

50:38

then to make the best part of this

50:40

whole story is that they then

50:43

met again in the world match play like

50:45

a month later and he beat

50:47

Allen B. He drubbed him again. He

50:49

just smoked him again in the world match play. And

50:53

Allen B. at this time is like a top

50:55

10 player. Everybody

50:57

thinks about like Allen B. when he's getting kicked

50:59

out of, you know,

51:01

Quad City casinos and the

51:04

obviously the incident

51:06

at the Sony, the alleged

51:08

kidnapping. But that might've

51:10

been just Allen B. Sideways at 4 a.m. Everybody

51:15

thinks about that stage of Allen B. was

51:17

like a certified like top, top

51:19

tier ball striker for a number

51:22

of years. Like you

51:24

can look, go look at like ball striking

51:26

stats from the mid 2000s and it is

51:28

just like Robert Allen B. Robert Allen B.

51:30

Robert Allen B. Robert Allen B. every year.

51:33

So impressive wins, especially, you

51:35

know, given the circumstances. So

51:38

final tour, when comes 2010, the Houston Open.

51:42

This is right before the Masters that he finished

51:45

finished third in. So he wins the

51:47

Houston Open. He becomes the fifth

51:49

player in 30 years to have won three times

51:52

on the PGA Tour before the age

51:54

of 25. The others

51:56

being Tiger Woods, Phil

51:58

Mickelson, Sergio Garcia and

52:01

Adam Scott, bonafide

52:04

Hall of Fame list. Uh, and

52:06

Andy, the, that, that was around the time.

52:09

Now you, you know, you mentioned there's like

52:11

a refocus for him when he turned pro

52:13

and went a little wild, there was also

52:15

refocus going into 2010. He

52:17

apparently went to Vegas with this caddy and

52:19

his coach and some buddies. And they had

52:22

this whole recommitment to golf and to practicing

52:24

and to getting into better shape and in

52:26

the shipnuck article, he said, Hey,

52:28

Kay, wanted to buy, I think it was like a

52:30

Ferrari and a Porsche, but he said he

52:33

couldn't do it because he had to be able to

52:35

sit, sit for people in the car so they could

52:37

all go do stuff together, like refocusing on golf. So

52:39

he said he had to get a car that had

52:41

four seats in it, but 2010 going into that

52:43

season was when AK kind of

52:45

said enough is enough. Let's, let's

52:48

find a little bit more, you know, let's, let's focus

52:50

a little bit more on what I'm trying to do,

52:52

you know, for a career and you

52:54

saw it a lot, especially in his early, early season

52:56

play there. Um, yeah,

52:59

so he finishes third, then two, and

53:01

then also, um, you know,

53:04

you know, who is in the

53:06

final group of the 2010 quail hollow. Who

53:09

was it? Rory and, uh,

53:11

AK final group. Yeah.

53:15

Those first tour one for Rory. So

53:17

when he shot 61 or whatever, I might

53:20

not have been final group, but final round, they were

53:22

paired together. Okay. Yeah. Anthony can finish what tied for

53:24

seventh in that event. So. Yeah.

53:27

Probably just final round. And by

53:29

the way, just, just one note on 2010, uh, masters, I know

53:31

you mentioned him finished third

53:33

shot 65 final round there, uh, went

53:36

on a run on the back where he birdie 13 birdie 14, Eagle 15

53:38

birdie 16, and had a real chance

53:41

there, by the way, at that point, I think

53:43

at the time when he made that Eagle, he

53:45

was a shot off the lead. So there was real

53:48

buzz. If you go back and watch that final round,

53:50

there was real buzz around, you know, the second nine

53:52

there at the masters that AK might actually get

53:54

this thing done. So, uh, after

53:56

that, effectively, that's when the

53:59

injury started. hit. That's when

54:01

the thumb injury and it was really

54:03

from there, like kind of a downward

54:06

kind of a spiral at that point. And

54:09

really, we didn't see it wasn't really a

54:11

downward spiral. It just was kind of over.

54:13

I think there's a it coincides with a pretty

54:15

big drop in his driving distance,

54:18

which you can imagine. And I don't

54:21

know exactly when the driver yips really

54:23

start, but I feel like that's become another trademark

54:25

of Anthony Kim's career is kind of getting the

54:27

driver yips towards the end of his competitive career.

54:29

Do you remember when that officially started? I mean,

54:31

the driving numbers start to get bad around mid

54:34

2010. Yeah, I

54:36

mean, that was the thumb injury,

54:38

right? He talked about how he

54:40

couldn't practice. So 2012 Shipnuck SI

54:42

article that

54:44

may have invented his frustration to Doug

54:47

Ferguson of the Associated Press. I heard

54:49

all the time across the locker room

54:51

doors. I hear people what's going

54:53

on with them. I hear a little comments. He doesn't

54:55

care about golf. Everyone has a reason to explain my

54:57

struggle struggles. Well, no one knows

54:59

the reason but me, I need to hit

55:01

balls to practice, but I'm hurting myself by

55:03

hitting more balls. So you

55:06

can't practice, right? It's

55:08

hard to be a late player. I mean, I

55:10

know it's way lesser. I know it's a way

55:12

lesser version of the guy I'm going to compare

55:14

him to. But, God, there's a lot

55:16

of comps to Tiger with this guy. I mean,

55:19

battling off the core stuff yet still able to

55:21

focus on the golf course and play elite level

55:23

golf, hit it a lot longer than a lot

55:25

of people could lean on the driver. And

55:27

then, you know, battle the injuries where he

55:29

couldn't practice the amount he wanted to practice to

55:31

continue to improve, get better and find a way

55:34

to be competitive. And, you know, Andy, I know

55:36

we mentioned Rory a couple of times, but it

55:38

was literally as AK was

55:40

kind of peaking and then starting to

55:42

fall off was the moment that Rory

55:45

was becoming Rory McElroy. And it was

55:47

almost like he just missed

55:49

that youthfulness of Sergio because he was five

55:51

years younger than Sergio. You know, so he

55:53

was playing Sergio as the young European, yet

55:55

he just missed out on the true young

55:58

European who was Rory at the time. So

56:00

it was almost like he was just

56:02

in this kind of very very small

56:05

bubble between that tiger Phil VJ Sergio

56:08

burst onto the scene and then that new crop of

56:10

guys like Jordan I mean, I think he got his

56:12

PJ tour card out of cue school with Jason day

56:14

I think Jason day got his card the same year

56:16

just missed out the same year that a K got

56:18

through cue school So that gives you a good idea

56:20

of the age of the players he was battling with Yeah,

56:24

it's I mean he was the

56:26

precursor really to Rory and Ricky

56:28

He was like I think

56:30

we we talked about youth on

56:33

tour and it was him Jason day

56:36

Rory and Ricky were that new

56:38

crop and he was right at

56:41

the forefront He was the the

56:43

that young talent that young tiger

56:45

Woods inspired talent Really is

56:47

Anthony Kim is right at the front line

56:50

of it And that's probably

56:52

like what should be his enduring legacy

56:54

is like he was the first of

56:56

that youth wave, right? It's

56:58

like the it's like the high school kids in

57:00

the NBA draft a little bit, right? Yeah

57:03

There's that one generation of those guys that we're all

57:05

gonna remember and think about the Garnett's the Kobe's this

57:07

guy can't play What does Kobe doing coming out of

57:09

the draft early and obviously kind of battle himself and

57:11

it worked out and I feel like for A K

57:13

to your point in that story about wanting to spend

57:15

one year at Oklahoma and his mom one end of

57:17

stay a little bit Longer, I mean this was the

57:19

guy that kind of saw the future ahead of of

57:22

everybody else and he knew how talented he was

57:24

And it just feels like Joseph as you're diving

57:26

into the numbers and they're so small, right? You

57:28

don't have a lot to go on and they're

57:31

not nearly as in-depth as 2024 data but

57:33

looking at who a K was on the golf course.

57:35

I pulled up his stuff this morning I mean this

57:37

dude's like top five not just

57:39

top ten He's like top five in these

57:41

important categories in his prime, you know kind

57:44

of across the board. It's pretty impressive Yeah,

57:46

well, I don't know Andy if you

57:49

have much more that you want to wrap up I

57:51

just have a little bit of that like the the

57:53

space from From

57:55

2012 till now which is

57:57

like injuries. It's just been

57:59

missing industry, right? Injuries

58:03

and then obviously the insurance policy. So

58:05

like the main reason that

58:08

is believe they never made a return was

58:10

he took out an insurance policy against injury

58:13

where he was paying pretty significant amount

58:15

for this premium. It's

58:17

rumored to be upwards of 10. I

58:20

think like people are saying 10 now

58:22

but it was believed to be

58:24

more like 20 I think from

58:26

what I read like in the moment, I

58:28

don't know what it ends up being where

58:30

then he started to receive monthly payments from

58:32

this insurance policy. And if he returned to

58:34

professional golf, then the insurance policies void, he

58:36

has to pay back the amount.

58:38

So that's been one thing that's kept him

58:40

out of this and what is attractive with

58:43

Liv but like, let's go. So 2012 shipknock

58:46

article, how's Kim spending the his time

58:48

these days? Lots of sports center says

58:50

his friend lots of golf channel. Kim's

58:53

relentless, relentlessness is palpable.

58:55

He still has a passion says the

58:57

friend. He always is talking about golf.

58:59

He wants to be out there. He

59:01

misses it. In fact, on Thursday through

59:03

Sunday, Kim is usually in front of

59:06

a TV monitoring tour telecast. It's

59:08

kind of sad to see says the friend, sometimes I

59:10

want to grab him, shake him and yell what the

59:12

hell are you doing? You're Anthony Kim, get off the

59:14

damn couch and get out there and find your game.

59:18

That's an interesting quote with the find your game.

59:21

Right? Because then in 2015, there's

59:24

a Doug Ferguson article, AP

59:27

and I think there is the

59:29

the Palm Desert report

59:32

golf reporter helped with this a little bit too.

59:35

Anthony Kim got interviewed. I didn't actually I

59:37

had never I didn't have a recollection of

59:39

this article. Neither. Okay, so he

59:41

said I'm going to step away from the game for a

59:43

little while and get my body piece together. Instead

59:46

of going from an Achilles injury to try

59:48

and to try to go 180 miles

59:51

per hour and not fixing the problem. I've

59:54

got so much ground to make up

59:56

from injuries rotator cuff labrum

59:58

spinal I did

1:00:01

not know that. Hand

1:00:03

injury. I've had six or seven

1:00:05

surgeries the last three and a

1:00:08

half years. I had no recollection

1:00:10

of this article or the spinal

1:00:12

fusion. Like that's, I mean,

1:00:14

that's obviously like we know, everybody knows spinal

1:00:16

fusion because of, of tiger. But

1:00:19

like if he had a spinal fusion,

1:00:21

I mean that, that's a

1:00:23

whole new thing to discuss with like the

1:00:25

prospects of him coming back. Right? He

1:00:29

said he's getting monthly payments from insurance policy

1:00:31

took out five years ago in case he

1:00:33

was injured, but he denied speculation that

1:00:35

the policy was a factor that

1:00:38

it was keeping him from returning to the PGA tour.

1:00:41

I paid well into the mid six figures

1:00:43

for this policy said they wouldn't have paid

1:00:45

me every month had I

1:00:47

not been to the doctor showing them

1:00:49

all my x-rays, doing all the treatment,

1:00:51

the acupuncture twice a day for physical

1:00:53

therapy. He also explained his

1:00:55

abrupt departure from quail hollow after shooting 74

1:00:58

back into 2012. Kim

1:01:01

said he ignored his summons for drug testing

1:01:03

when he walked to the parking lot, though

1:01:06

he eventually was tested. So he got a bad

1:01:08

rap because people said he was trying to duck

1:01:10

out from a drug test. I

1:01:12

was mad about how I played. I injured myself

1:01:15

again. I ended up coming back and taking the

1:01:17

test. He said, I've never tested

1:01:19

positive for anything since I've been on

1:01:21

the PGA tour. Before the drug testing

1:01:23

started, never. And they tested me more

1:01:25

than anyone. These

1:01:27

rumors tainted my reputation and I did. I

1:01:29

didn't have a great one to begin with.

1:01:32

Kim had no idea he would be gone this

1:01:34

long. He played golf with Phil Mickelson at Madison

1:01:36

club in the California desert. He rented a house

1:01:38

in San Diego to prepare for the 2013 season.

1:01:42

He said he was up at 5

1:01:44

a.m. every day to train when his

1:01:46

Achilles tendon popped. As he

1:01:48

recovered from the leg, he had a herniated

1:01:50

disc and the injuries piled up. Golf

1:01:53

moved on without him. He has

1:01:55

a major medical exemption he can use if he

1:01:57

ever returns. Kim would have to

1:01:59

earn $6. Hundred and Thirteen thousand and

1:02:01

sixteen events to keep his car. And.

1:02:04

Then last thing Chris got her up was

1:02:06

on the sub par par. You know who's

1:02:08

actually like best friends with a case closest

1:02:10

friend can't remember. A great. I.

1:02:13

Was that and caught noticed? Yeah yeah. Cole

1:02:15

was close with a me up so he's

1:02:17

a host of the sub bar pod apparently

1:02:19

like he kind of like ghosts is called.

1:02:22

I saw that in the ship Knock article

1:02:24

where he was.you know cold was like. I

1:02:26

haven't really talked to me since he left

1:02:28

his. i haven't seen him and they were

1:02:30

apparently like the best friend so the be

1:02:32

interesting to hear Cold talk about that. ah

1:02:35

esa if they ever if they kick to

1:02:37

it unlike the broadcast yourself that arm or

1:02:39

on subpar pot which got crisscross gutter up

1:02:41

Oklahoma. Legend. Of who's a rookie

1:02:43

on the Pg A Tour. The. One thing

1:02:45

got her up did reveal is that

1:02:47

according to his coach ak now thirty

1:02:50

seven still has some serious gave. You.

1:02:52

Said even to this day when Kim

1:02:54

comes up in his balls, it's almost

1:02:57

sad. Because. He still has. He

1:02:59

still so good. And. No one

1:03:01

is able to see it. But. He

1:03:03

said Kim was also a freak of

1:03:05

nature. He was so good. So.

1:03:07

Since you're saying maybe he's been in, Norm

1:03:10

hit balls like and I bet they have

1:03:12

like. You. Don't like those college

1:03:14

programs have these tests in tests like

1:03:16

they know. They. Measure against all

1:03:18

the stuff. I be curious if if

1:03:20

I have all the coaches taxes has

1:03:23

like. Some. Fairly.

1:03:26

Recent Ak numbers like how the how

1:03:28

it compares to some his players him

1:03:30

to our players. So. That it? Yeah,

1:03:32

I'd I'd heard or so. what are the what am

1:03:34

I stories that I'd heard? You know I I grew

1:03:36

up in East Texas still have some buddies it live

1:03:38

in the Dallas area. And one of

1:03:41

my my favorite ak rumored stories Obviously

1:03:43

this is coming from. Friends. That

1:03:45

know people. But articles about five or six

1:03:47

years ago and as the story goes, ak

1:03:49

was at a bar with some buddies. And

1:03:52

a little bit like I'm. in

1:03:54

a seat in notting hill you know when he's

1:03:56

out to dinner with julie roberts in the table

1:03:58

next to it's talking about Julia Roberts character

1:04:01

and she goes over. Apparently there

1:04:03

was some guys sitting near AK

1:04:05

talking about Anthony Kim, the legend

1:04:07

that is Anthony Kim. And much like in

1:04:09

the naughty Hill movie, they started to talk

1:04:11

about all the reasons he didn't play golf.

1:04:13

And I guess it started to piss AK

1:04:15

off and he spent, apparently spent the next

1:04:18

month, like eight, nine hours a day

1:04:20

on the golf course practicing, and he was

1:04:22

going to come back and make a return. And

1:04:24

his friends basically said, you're going

1:04:26

to have to make, you know, $30 million on the

1:04:28

tour to make up for what

1:04:30

you've taken from this insurance policy. His friends

1:04:32

being kind of the sounding board,

1:04:35

if you will, to make sure he didn't take a return

1:04:37

and have to give the tour 30 mil and have to

1:04:39

make it all up. But, you know, I mean, I think.

1:04:42

That's the thing. The policy was tax free.

1:04:46

So when you do the

1:04:48

math of agents, coaches, travel,

1:04:50

all that, like people

1:04:52

are like, Oh, it's 10 million, 10 million or

1:04:54

20 million, 20 million. It's

1:04:57

actually what he would have to earn on the

1:05:00

PGA tour. Probably

1:05:02

double the, what he, what he got out of the, out

1:05:04

of the policy. So, you know, I mean, I,

1:05:06

I said this, I did, I did the, the Nolan

1:05:08

up rap show on Saturday night with KBV and Porter.

1:05:11

And I mentioned this on there. We're talking about AK,

1:05:13

but you know, listen, and Joel

1:05:15

Beal wrote this for digest and I agreed with

1:05:17

a lot of what he wrote. I mean, we

1:05:19

live in this Anthony Kim 2007, 2008 world.

1:05:23

Right. And it's 2024. And

1:05:25

I said this on the no lay in up pod, Joseph,

1:05:27

because I think it's important to

1:05:29

look back at how far, you know, back we

1:05:31

go with Oh eight, the writer cup

1:05:33

team, the moment of Anthony Kim's career, the one

1:05:36

we all remember the team. He was on

1:05:38

with Phil Stewart, sink Kenny

1:05:40

Perry, Jim, Zurich, Justin, Leonard, Ben

1:05:42

Curtis, Boo weekly, Stricker, may hand JB

1:05:45

Holmes and Chad Campbell. I mean,

1:05:47

that is, uh, that is a tour

1:05:49

of the past, right? That is

1:05:51

not what modern professional golf looks like.

1:05:53

And the players he was going up

1:05:56

against really outside of Sergio, I

1:05:58

mean, Podrick and Westwood and. Denson

1:06:00

and Carlson, Jimenez. That's the magic

1:06:02

six. Literally, it's

1:06:04

like he's playing the magic six. Is there

1:06:07

a ratio of a- Ian Poulter, Paul Casey

1:06:09

on that team. Like, this was the, I

1:06:11

mean, this was what 08 golf looked like,

1:06:13

right? And we're talking about 2024 and

1:06:17

the top 10 in the world being really

1:06:19

young. And I've seen a lot

1:06:21

of the stuff float around to like comparable

1:06:23

age players. I think there were three players

1:06:25

in that same age group that won last

1:06:27

season on the PGA Tour. Like 38 is

1:06:29

old and I hope it's

1:06:31

great. Justin Rose. Yeah, Rose and

1:06:33

Brian Harmon is around that age. And that was kind

1:06:35

of it. Like, this isn't what golf

1:06:38

was in 08 in a lot of ways. And

1:06:40

the main point of this is people that are

1:06:42

dominant in professional golf right now are between the

1:06:44

ages of 22 and 26 and

1:06:48

Anthony Kim is not 26 anymore. I mean, he's-

1:06:50

I think it's important to, there's one outlier and

1:06:55

that's Rory McElroy, who

1:06:57

continues to remain the,

1:06:59

just a monster off the tee. And I

1:07:02

think that's, you know, that's the

1:07:04

big question about AK. It's like, if

1:07:07

he's still, if he has gained no

1:07:09

yardage or lost yardage, we

1:07:11

shouldn't even be talking about this, right? I

1:07:14

would push that prime back a little bit, Shane,

1:07:16

I think. Like 22 to 26 feels a

1:07:19

little young to me, but I agree with the

1:07:21

broader point that not only

1:07:23

is he older, but I think he has

1:07:25

now lived through an era that's

1:07:28

completely changed. And the last five or

1:07:30

six years, the speed increases, what's

1:07:32

coming on in 2024, we're already seeing it

1:07:34

with some of these young golfers coming out.

1:07:38

Expecting Anthony Kim to be strong off the tee,

1:07:40

I think, is a

1:07:42

bit far fetched. So I'd never want to

1:07:44

say never, but I'm not as optimistic about

1:07:46

his return. Can I

1:07:48

give you the comp that I came up with or

1:07:50

who his player might be, which

1:07:53

player he might most closely

1:07:55

resemble? Is this

1:07:57

a modern player? This is like a current player in professional

1:07:59

golf. golf, current player and professional

1:08:02

golf. I was thinking a lot

1:08:04

about this. It's really hard because of how short

1:08:06

his career is, but I think a golfer that

1:08:08

I've actually gotten comfortable. I think

1:08:11

this is the correct comparison, the

1:08:13

hyped prospect, success

1:08:16

right away. And then a bunch of success. Once

1:08:18

he gets his feet wet, his

1:08:21

career didn't turn out as prolific as the golfer

1:08:23

I'm going to compare him to, but I actually

1:08:25

think Anthony Kim and Justin Thomas have

1:08:27

quite a bit in common. And where

1:08:29

I was going with that, Anthony

1:08:32

Kim makes his debut in 2006, but

1:08:34

his first full season is 2007. Like

1:08:37

that's really when his professional career starts. He

1:08:39

gets to world number six within a year and a half.

1:08:41

So, um, like October of

1:08:43

2008, a year and a half into

1:08:46

his career, he's world number six. Justin

1:08:48

Thomas plays his first full season on the PGA tour

1:08:50

in 2015, gets

1:08:52

to world number eight in two years. So January of

1:08:54

2017, kind of similar start to

1:08:56

their careers in the first

1:08:58

10 majors. Anthony Kim makes

1:09:00

nine cuts, two top tens and his

1:09:03

10th major championship is

1:09:05

a solo third at the masters and

1:09:08

Justin Thomas's first 10 majors. He

1:09:10

makes eight cuts, two top tens. And his

1:09:12

10th start is a win at Quail Hollow

1:09:14

where Anthony Kim won his first

1:09:16

tournament. I think the power off of the

1:09:19

tee, the ball striking, the success

1:09:21

in the team events, the aggression,

1:09:25

sorry, the aggression, like the aggressiveness of their

1:09:28

game, of their game, the ability to shoot

1:09:30

59, like Justin Thomas has

1:09:32

Anthony Kim rattling off 11 birdies. I think

1:09:34

there's quite a bit of similarity in their

1:09:36

games. Obviously Justin Thomas has gone on to

1:09:38

have a monster career compared to what

1:09:41

Anthony Kim has accomplished. So I don't think it's

1:09:43

a perfect comparison and how things panned out, but

1:09:45

I kind of think from a stylistic perspective and

1:09:47

what some of their staff look like, I kind

1:09:49

of liked that comparison. So I was curious what

1:09:51

Andy and Shane, what you guys think about that

1:09:53

one. Both left, left school

1:09:55

early. Yes. Young start.

1:09:58

Yeah. I like that. I think. that's

1:10:00

actually like a very like when you

1:10:02

think about like what draws people to

1:10:04

Justin Thomas fandom it is the the

1:10:07

wide array of shop making right

1:10:10

the there's a there's

1:10:12

an electricity to the way he plays

1:10:14

golf you know it feels

1:10:17

like to I mean you could even dive deeper Joseph past

1:10:19

just what they look like on the golf course I would

1:10:21

even go into personality you know I mean I feel like

1:10:24

AK I mean going back to Shaq versus

1:10:26

which I know is a silly show on

1:10:28

TV but AK is the guy that Shaq

1:10:30

picks to be a teammate Justin Thomas

1:10:33

is one of those guys that seems to

1:10:35

translate well with other athletes right other athletes

1:10:37

like a style like his confidence bravado those

1:10:39

types of things seem to work well outside

1:10:41

of just the golf room and it feels

1:10:43

like AK had a lot of similarities in

1:10:45

that world right the way he carried himself

1:10:47

the you know the way he pulled off

1:10:49

golf shots no matter the moment you hear

1:10:51

other athletes talk about Anthony Kim and his

1:10:53

prime and it's glowing responses right I mean

1:10:55

other golfers talking about Anthony Kim and they

1:10:58

gosh about him you hear you know some

1:11:00

of the older players I mean I remember

1:11:02

Phil Mickelson talking about JT you know in that 2017 2018 2019

1:11:04

run and how how impressed he was with JT at such a young age

1:11:11

so it almost feels like just even outside

1:11:13

of their games and coming out of college

1:11:15

into pro golf it feels like just his

1:11:17

personality people they had a little more than

1:11:19

just your everyday good player on the PGA

1:11:21

Tour I agree and the I even

1:11:24

think with some of the driver yips like we've

1:11:26

seen John Thomas get a little bit stray with

1:11:28

the driver like just looking at their stats high-level

1:11:31

they do kind of line

1:11:33

up I mean when Anthony Kim came on

1:11:35

to professional golf scene he was

1:11:38

between 10th and 16th in

1:11:40

his first three years on tour and

1:11:42

driving distance was pretty consistently around 300

1:11:44

yards Justin Thomas first full

1:11:46

year was 15th and kind of hovered

1:11:48

between 15th and 8th to

1:11:51

12th over the first couple years of his career

1:11:53

I think the profile tracks pretty well also chokes

1:11:55

up on his golf club like AK does so

1:11:58

sure there you go there you go Maybe, maybe,

1:12:00

maybe JT was, uh, you know, he always

1:12:02

talks about tiger, but, uh, AK

1:12:05

was actually JT's inspiration. Right. True school of

1:12:07

hard knocks was just the AK school of

1:12:09

hard knocks for JT. It would match up

1:12:11

match up age wise. Right. True. Um,

1:12:14

what do you guys think about his comeback? What

1:12:16

are realistic expectations? I

1:12:20

mean, that's the hard part is I just feel like

1:12:22

it's so unknown, you know, skies take two years off

1:12:24

and three years off and you can at least have

1:12:26

an idea of who they're going to be on the

1:12:28

golf course, but 12 years,

1:12:31

it's a gen, it's a lifetime, it's a lifetime

1:12:33

for pro athletes. Is this, here's my

1:12:35

question to you guys in this same vein. Is

1:12:38

there even a comp to this? Is there

1:12:40

a comp to somebody who's taken more than a

1:12:42

decade away from pro sport and coming back and

1:12:44

attempting to be good at it again? I think

1:12:47

there's been times they've taken a year or two

1:12:49

off, but not 12 years. I can't think of

1:12:51

a single athlete. That would be the

1:12:53

only thing I can think about. Didn't

1:12:55

Lorena Ochoa come back for like a

1:12:57

tournament? I think so. I

1:12:59

mean, I think she played in her event,

1:13:02

right on the LPGA tour. Yeah. Like after

1:13:04

like 10 years, 10 years away or something

1:13:06

like that's the only, only

1:13:08

thing that jumps to mind. Like

1:13:10

obviously the tiger stuff is, is

1:13:12

somewhat, um, instructive, but

1:13:14

you're talking about the greatest player

1:13:16

ever. And like one

1:13:18

to two year absences, not 12 years, 12

1:13:21

years. If

1:13:24

he had like some bad accident when he was 16 and

1:13:27

he was coming back at age 26, I'd

1:13:30

be much more optimistic about what this could

1:13:32

look like, but he, he's 38

1:13:34

years old and the game is way, way different

1:13:37

now than what it used to be. Like, I

1:13:39

think if he got to, if he

1:13:41

played a full schedule and got to like 35th in the

1:13:44

world, it'd be an unbelievable accomplishment

1:13:46

and that feels really far

1:13:48

fetched to me. Seems so tough to do. I

1:13:51

will say this. I mean, if you're thinking about

1:13:53

this completely unique situation, right? An athlete, you

1:13:56

know, stepping away from the game at a

1:13:58

young age and try to. to come back

1:14:00

when he's near in the age of 40. There's

1:14:03

nothing better for somebody than what

1:14:05

live offers right now. You

1:14:07

know, you think about the fields are

1:14:09

smaller. You've got probably guaranteed

1:14:12

money. You probably feel comfortable that you

1:14:15

can beat 20 guys a week. Even

1:14:17

if you aren't that good anymore,

1:14:19

you might be able to beat 20 players.

1:14:21

And then if you're you, you get on

1:14:23

John Rama's team, let's just throw that out

1:14:25

there. Let's say he's on Rama's team in

1:14:28

a couple of months and your team wins

1:14:30

a couple of times throughout the season. Financially,

1:14:32

it all makes sense to me. Anthony Kim

1:14:34

has always looked like a guy that

1:14:36

lived on confidence. And then the moment the injury

1:14:38

started to pile up, he was super scared of

1:14:41

what coming back might look like. And we've all

1:14:43

been there. We've all taken time away from the

1:14:45

gym or running or playing competitive golf or whatever

1:14:47

they're dating or whatever the case may be as

1:14:49

a human. And all of a sudden you want

1:14:51

to get back in the pool and you go,

1:14:53

I hope I can still do this again. It's

1:14:55

scary to jump into that world. But

1:14:58

you read the Shipnuck article, Andy, and I

1:15:00

mean, he hints at that, right? He hints

1:15:02

at the fact that there was an, there

1:15:04

was ego to be smashed if you're Anthony

1:15:06

Kim. If you come back and you suck

1:15:08

and you hit it 270 and you can't

1:15:10

compete anymore, then all that's made up about

1:15:12

who you were as a pro and the

1:15:14

legacy and the hour we've talked about it

1:15:16

on this podcast and beyond goes away because

1:15:18

the end of your chapter, the end of

1:15:20

the book is, and he came back to

1:15:22

pro golf and he sucked, right? So he's

1:15:24

got to at least accept the fact that

1:15:26

that could be a thing here. I

1:15:29

think like the popular, the unpopular

1:15:31

right answer of all this is

1:15:33

Anthony Kim probably shouldn't come back

1:15:36

because it's more romantic if

1:15:38

he just stays away and we'll always be

1:15:40

able to hold on to that like burst

1:15:42

of stardom. At a time

1:15:45

when Tiger was injured, you know, like

1:15:48

Tiger, this was like kind of like he

1:15:50

came on right when Tiger started to

1:15:52

have the injury off the course

1:15:54

issues, right? And he became this ray

1:15:57

of hope and bridged us to Rory

1:15:59

McIlroy. Right. And

1:16:02

I think like when you think about it, it's that's

1:16:06

the thing that probably makes the most

1:16:08

sense is him to stay away, stay

1:16:10

this folk hero that like left golf

1:16:12

too early. And, you know, but

1:16:15

if he does come back, I think

1:16:17

lives the only the only

1:16:19

option for him from

1:16:21

the insurance money. You

1:16:23

know that I saw Terrell Hatton just

1:16:26

today got what $67 million

1:16:30

to go there or something about that.

1:16:32

If I apologize, it might be $63

1:16:34

million American dollars to go to live.

1:16:38

You know, they could cut him a check for

1:16:40

$30 million and, you know, and

1:16:42

he could play and you think

1:16:44

about like, like you said, like

1:16:46

those fields are gettable, right? Like

1:16:49

I would have a hard time believing Anthony

1:16:51

Kim would be able to go out and consistently

1:16:54

make cuts on the PGA

1:16:56

tour. I think he

1:16:58

could be not the worst player on

1:17:01

live. He could be one of, you know, not,

1:17:03

he could be above the bottom five on live.

1:17:05

When you start to look through the players. I

1:17:07

mean, you got West. He's getting

1:17:09

into his into into his fifties.

1:17:12

Like he is into his fifties. You've

1:17:14

got a lot of young guys that are

1:17:17

going to be a little volatile. They're learning

1:17:19

how to be professional golfers. You've got,

1:17:21

you know, you just have Graham

1:17:23

McDowell, right? Like, I think he can play

1:17:25

with Graham McDowell at this point in his

1:17:27

career, right? Maybe. I don't know. We haven't

1:17:29

seen much of them, but you start to

1:17:32

look through the roster of live players like

1:17:34

the bottom half of live. The top half

1:17:36

of live now is really good. Quite

1:17:38

good. But the bottom half of live is not

1:17:41

is still pretty weak. So it's like,

1:17:43

you know, could he go in there and have a finished

1:17:46

20th and make a lot of money? Yeah. And

1:17:48

we're going to see it. Like, I think like the thing

1:17:50

is not about going

1:17:52

out and shooting low rounds. I still think he

1:17:55

could go out and shoot low rounds if he's

1:17:58

a shell of what he used to be. It's

1:18:00

just stringing together if it's live three

1:18:02

three good rounds, right to

1:18:04

both of your points I think The

1:18:08

no cut thing is a

1:18:10

very attractive piece of returning to

1:18:12

live versus returning to the PGA

1:18:14

tour knowing you're gonna get three

1:18:16

competitive rounds Psychologically

1:18:18

versus getting cut. I

1:18:20

think if you're trying to rehab It's

1:18:23

a little easier to go back when you know you're

1:18:25

gonna get three rounds and then you know You can

1:18:27

take some positive momentum from shooting a good third round

1:18:29

score that moves you up six spots Like it's just

1:18:31

a little bit easier to rehab under those conditions I

1:18:34

would say that in terms of

1:18:36

the best possible marriage for both

1:18:38

live and Anthony

1:18:41

Kim it's probably live in

1:18:43

Anthony Kim, you know You think about what

1:18:45

live needs live needs something to make us

1:18:47

want to watch right because they've yet to

1:18:49

get a golfer Even with ROM going there.

1:18:52

They've yet to get a golfer I think

1:18:54

that's making the everyday golf

1:18:56

fan want to find it on TV and turn

1:18:58

it on no matter what time zone It's in

1:19:00

I've got to watch this Anthony Kim's playing golf

1:19:02

and they're playing in Singapore or Australia or Paris

1:19:04

or wherever the case may be I'm

1:19:07

gonna wake up and watch that first round.

1:19:09

I'm gonna watch that first tournament Andy I think

1:19:11

you said on the shotgun start you're thinking

1:19:13

four to five events, you know They will benefit

1:19:15

on the back end of but if you're

1:19:17

thinking about Anthony Kim here Joseph's point on the

1:19:20

cut is true But also if he plays

1:19:22

terrible, then aren't we just gonna forget

1:19:24

that he's doing it? Like yeah, he'll just be

1:19:26

of another person that's playing on live that finishes

1:19:28

40th I mean, I don't I

1:19:30

don't remember I couldn't name the bottom 15 guys a

1:19:32

live right now There's no chance see why I'm able

1:19:34

to name it. Well, that's the bottom

1:19:36

guy remember remember when

1:19:39

Kobe did the farewell tour and this

1:19:41

is like I'm not comparing him to

1:19:44

Kobe But like Kobe's out there and

1:19:46

it was like big for like certain

1:19:48

stops at certain cities But like

1:19:51

for the most part, it's just

1:19:53

Kobe playing hero ball every single

1:19:55

night They got really really old

1:19:57

really fast, right? Like Yes.

1:20:00

Yeah. So like with Anthony Kim, like

1:20:02

there, there will be this, like, this

1:20:06

interest right off the bat, but if he's

1:20:08

not competitive, it just is going to be,

1:20:10

oh, he's playing the spectacle.

1:20:12

And this is where if he just never

1:20:14

plays again, he will be held

1:20:17

in this high regard, right? We

1:20:19

talked about the end of Shaq's

1:20:21

career. This is the perfect example.

1:20:23

Like you get these years, the

1:20:25

Boston Celtics, the, the Phoenix, these

1:20:27

huns, you know, like these obscure

1:20:29

places they played for, and they

1:20:31

would just wasn't Shaq, right? Can

1:20:34

I take the other side of that though, really quickly, Andy? Yeah.

1:20:37

Isn't what we love about sports though.

1:20:39

Somebody wanting to defy

1:20:41

the odds, not to be overly romantic about

1:20:43

it, but and saying, you

1:20:45

know what, I do want to come back

1:20:47

and Shane story about him hearing from another

1:20:49

dinner table that people are doubting him coming

1:20:51

back. I think that's also kind of what

1:20:53

Liv needs is a player that's in

1:20:56

it for a competitive reasons, not taking a

1:20:59

payout, like who's in it to show

1:21:01

what they still have. And we've seen

1:21:03

Camilla Villegas, somebody who's older than Anthony

1:21:06

Kim, like when recently, it's not out of

1:21:08

the realm of possibilities. And I think that

1:21:10

little glimmer of hope is what makes sports

1:21:12

entertaining. So even if I'm pessimistic about what

1:21:15

it looks like, I'm absolutely here for the

1:21:17

show. Joseph, I would say

1:21:19

this, I think it's the first golfer to go

1:21:21

to Liv that's going to be hungry. I think

1:21:23

that's the big part of the Anthony Kim story

1:21:25

is every single person that's gone to Liv's belly

1:21:27

is full, right? They got a big amount amount

1:21:29

of money paid off the top. They're going to

1:21:32

this tour either because they're past their prime or

1:21:34

they wanted a check and they wanted to maybe

1:21:36

play less golf or whatever, you know, we've heard

1:21:38

over the last two years from all these golfers.

1:21:40

This there's an argument to me to be made

1:21:43

that this is the first person that would be

1:21:45

going to Liv that would be hungry for results.

1:21:47

And that's good. That's Karen and that's

1:21:50

Karen and Vincent slander. And I won't

1:21:52

stand for it. I

1:21:55

think you made that name up. I think you made

1:21:57

that name up. He won the Q school. I'm just

1:21:59

kidding. Don't you dare talk about

1:22:01

you GDO just Kurt just Kara like that.

1:22:03

I just like it

1:22:06

You know, it would be so fun if he was

1:22:08

competitive in golf But

1:22:11

this is the big a win is Liv's gonna

1:22:13

ever have and I said this a couple days

1:22:15

ago I can't believe this didn't happen off the

1:22:18

top I can't believe Liv didn't offer him an

1:22:20

insane amount of money off the top to go

1:22:22

Right when they started because again that would have

1:22:24

made people watch and that would have made people

1:22:26

care And as I think about

1:22:28

Liv in whatever its next iteration is gonna

1:22:30

be Why aren't they trying

1:22:33

to get more of this and when I

1:22:35

say this? I mean not just pro golfers

1:22:37

Like why not go get John Smoltz and

1:22:39

pay him two million a year to play

1:22:41

live golf and just so people can say

1:22:43

Here's small. So let's see how he compares

1:22:46

against actual pro golfers like I

1:22:49

mean, I might be a circus act, but at least

1:22:51

it's something that it's something different well,

1:22:53

I disagree that I think with Earnestly

1:22:56

Anthony Kim could represent is watching a live

1:22:58

tournament and saying hey Does this golfer have

1:23:01

what it takes to win to be

1:23:03

competitive in a major again? I don't feel that way

1:23:05

about somebody like Brooks Kefka who's been pretty clear that

1:23:08

Those are regular season events to him whether it was

1:23:11

PJ Tor or Liv Not necessarily an

1:23:13

indication of how he's gonna do in a major

1:23:15

versus watching Anthony Kim would feel

1:23:17

like you're watching it for competitive Reasons and

1:23:19

I think that's what Liv needs so

1:23:21

John Smoltz. I wouldn't have that same I

1:23:24

know John Smoltz can't play in a major

1:23:26

championship But if Anthony Kim goes out and puts

1:23:28

up some really strong results on Liv Or

1:23:31

five of them in a row your brain would start to

1:23:33

go there and I think that's what Liv needs Yeah,

1:23:36

I agree. It's a I mean, it's fascinating. I think

1:23:38

we all agree that Liv's the only place for him

1:23:40

right now Andy, did you ever see a K in

1:23:42

person? Did you ever see him play in person go

1:23:44

to a tournament? He was in I don't

1:23:47

think I did I did not I was the

1:23:49

bridge stone some of the fires. I was trying

1:23:51

to think today That was

1:23:54

the end of my my collegiate life

1:23:56

I would say that that was like

1:23:58

the moment in time time, Anthony

1:24:00

Kim's moment in time, early

1:24:02

twenties was when I was

1:24:04

most disconnected with the sport. I would

1:24:07

watch, you know, on, on

1:24:09

the weekends, but I was,

1:24:11

you know, I was early twenties. Right.

1:24:13

Feel it. Feel like I might've seen

1:24:15

him in Arizona at one point. I

1:24:17

do remember that I went

1:24:19

to the Tucson open when I was in

1:24:22

college with my daily wildcat credential to watch

1:24:24

Ty Tryon when he was having his year

1:24:26

on tour and followed him for 18 holes.

1:24:29

Uh, and that was when he was the Mossimo target

1:24:31

guy. And, um, that was one of those, you know,

1:24:33

there was only like 15 people out there watching him,

1:24:35

but I was so fired up to see how he'd

1:24:38

do, but I can't distinctly remember a moment when I

1:24:40

saw AK up close. Maybe I'd seen him in Phoenix

1:24:42

one time or twice. I do

1:24:44

feel like, um, you know, what, what

1:24:46

you said about the way players big,

1:24:48

big time players talked about AK is

1:24:51

so drastically different than other like flashing,

1:24:53

like you can't find Ty

1:24:55

Tryon quotes like that. You can't

1:24:58

find Rio Ishikawa quotes like that. Right.

1:25:00

Like they are, they are few and

1:25:03

far between, um, when you get somebody

1:25:05

like Phil talking like that about somebody.

1:25:07

All right. We're gonna, we're gonna start a

1:25:09

new little segment for this Tuesday or Monday.

1:25:11

Whenever you listen to this show that

1:25:14

we're doing this year, we're going to have

1:25:16

a closing segment here where we each

1:25:18

come up with a recommendation. So,

1:25:20

uh, Shane, you got a recommendation?

1:25:23

I do. I do. Um, this is not

1:25:25

sponsored. This is just something I think is

1:25:27

excellent. Um, I, you guys know,

1:25:29

electrolyte water is like a big thing right now and you

1:25:31

pour the packets and stuff in your water, you know, that's

1:25:34

big, um, the element.

1:25:37

Mango chili salt one. I

1:25:39

know it sounds weird, but James

1:25:41

Nitti's got me on this last year during corn

1:25:44

fairy. It's like the best tasting

1:25:46

thing I've ever had in my life. And so like

1:25:48

I'm drinking it right now and you pour it in

1:25:50

there. But listen, I know when

1:25:52

you think about flavoring, you'd go a lot

1:25:54

of different ways than mango chili for a

1:25:57

flavor of your water, but it is bomb.

1:26:00

So that's my recommendation so that's

1:26:02

spicy that's element which is lm

1:26:04

nt right yeah, I think so

1:26:06

yeah lmnt Aberdeen's

1:26:09

gotta show open That's

1:26:13

a good it's a good tip I feel like I've

1:26:16

been you know I've been running a lot lately

1:26:18

and I I've been

1:26:20

I got like I think I'm having some

1:26:22

dehydration issues that at the end end of

1:26:24

the day Like I noticed my back

1:26:26

starts to get in sore, so I'm gonna

1:26:28

I'm gonna buy some of this well listen. I'm buying

1:26:31

a box right now, and I'm gonna mail it to

1:26:33

you right now So don't buy it yourself. Yes. I'm

1:26:35

gonna send you this box right now. I don't need

1:26:37

I don't need you to buy I don't

1:26:39

I know you don't need it to you own a company But I'm

1:26:41

gonna send this to you and you let me

1:26:43

know if it's good or not if you hate it Just bring it to

1:26:45

the masters whenever I'm gonna see you

1:26:47

next and I'll take it off your hands all right

1:26:49

all right That sounds like a good deal. Do you

1:26:51

guys know your recommendations or no? Yeah? I

1:26:53

got a recommendation Joseph you got one good

1:26:56

Andy all right. I got one My

1:26:59

wife she's been doing a bit of a

1:27:01

dry January She's been she got she got

1:27:03

a little too deep in the holidays She's

1:27:06

been she's been pulling back, and I've had

1:27:08

I've had a few of these and they

1:27:10

are really good If you're looking for something

1:27:14

That are like a you know that

1:27:16

are just like a non-alcoholic

1:27:18

thing. She's been drinking these

1:27:20

kin euphoric Um

1:27:23

they are doing wine. What is it?

1:27:25

Yeah? It's like a non-alcoholic

1:27:28

like it's like a mocktail right okay,

1:27:30

or it. It's got taste it But

1:27:32

then it's got like adaptogens. It's like

1:27:34

it's not just like sugar right. It's

1:27:36

got good stuff in it. It's got

1:27:38

like botanics Neutropics

1:27:41

in it, but they're really good. They're

1:27:43

really tasty And they have

1:27:45

some stuff like they they've got some just

1:27:47

it's it's good. It's good stuff They make

1:27:50

you like I noticed like my biggest problem

1:27:52

when I try when I go dry Is

1:27:55

that like when I go grill?

1:27:57

I just need a drink like I not

1:27:59

a I don't need an alcoholic

1:28:02

beverage. I need just something

1:28:04

that's delicious to drink, right?

1:28:07

That's why I like the ritual

1:28:09

of drinking something. So having

1:28:11

like these in the fridge has been really

1:28:13

great. You know, it's been, it's just

1:28:15

a recommendation I got. Joseph, what do

1:28:17

you got? Yeah, you guys went

1:28:19

with products. I went a slightly different direction. Low

1:28:22

music rec, early in 2023, I was super into

1:28:25

this album and then kind of put it away

1:28:27

for a while and back into it

1:28:29

a little bit, good vibes. The

1:28:31

album is called Proof of Life by Joy Alaudecoon.

1:28:33

Might not be a name that a lot of

1:28:35

people know, but I've seen her live and she's

1:28:37

awesome. And it's just something that it's a feel

1:28:39

good you can throw on in the car when

1:28:42

you're feeling pessimistic about the state of professional

1:28:44

golf, it'll cheer you up a little bit.

1:28:46

So I love it. Add to the Apple

1:28:49

music right now. And it's a deluxe album.

1:28:51

So there you go, I love that. What

1:28:53

was it again? I'm gonna add it right

1:28:55

now. What is it? It's called Proof of

1:28:57

Life by Joy Alaudecoon. I didn't

1:28:59

know who she was until this album came out. It

1:29:01

was recommended to me by multiple people and I would

1:29:04

pass that on. I can't even find, oh, there it

1:29:06

is, there it is. It looks happy. It

1:29:08

does look happy. Joseph, you know what? I

1:29:10

got a recommendation yesterday at the gym that

1:29:12

blew my mind, okay? So I

1:29:15

was doing planks and there

1:29:17

was a lady right next to me that was doing

1:29:19

planks. She said, I got done

1:29:21

and she goes, do you use a timer when you do

1:29:23

planks? And I said, yeah, I like do

1:29:25

the timer and then when it ends, obviously

1:29:28

I can stop. She said that if you do two

1:29:30

minute planks, we will

1:29:32

rock you. The Queen song is

1:29:34

exactly two minutes and one second

1:29:37

long. So she said, listen to that,

1:29:39

gets you fired up, obviously puts you in a

1:29:41

great place, mentally, keeps you, you know, keeps the

1:29:43

stamina up. You're really, really locked into the plank.

1:29:45

And then when the song's over, that means your

1:29:47

two minutes is up. So there you go. There's

1:29:49

your plank wreck. Do you think

1:29:51

there's an untapped market for creating songs that are

1:29:54

exactly certain time intervals? I used to make a

1:29:56

CD back in the day, a beer pong CD

1:29:58

or- Remember that. I

1:30:01

did power hour CDs. I would make them where you'd

1:30:03

convince the song to a minute and

1:30:05

you'd make a 60 You know a 60

1:30:08

minute power hour CD. Yeah, I remember making

1:30:10

those back. There's no clue what making CDs

1:30:12

was like I

1:30:16

know how to make a CD. This is ridiculous.

1:30:18

This is slander. You've never burned a CD in

1:30:21

your life You've never had an MP. Yeah, no,

1:30:23

no, I have burned a CD. Absolutely I

1:30:26

often after off it off a kazah and

1:30:28

just and just dialed it in yeah off

1:30:30

of iTunes What about what about right when

1:30:32

you could like I feel like it was

1:30:34

like maybe like 1999

1:30:37

or 1998

1:30:40

is what you could start to like

1:30:42

make your own CDs your own mix

1:30:44

CDs What's like all the rage so

1:30:46

good I used to I used to sell them I mean

1:30:49

illegally obviously but I used to sell them at school for

1:30:51

$10 and I made a killing off that stuff But I

1:30:53

was in high school. I was like the other recommendation. There

1:30:55

you go. I was the only person in my hometown I

1:30:57

think that had DSL off the top,

1:30:59

you know It was like could actually download download

1:31:02

songs and it wouldn't take 25 minutes to

1:31:04

download them Then I would fire off CDs

1:31:06

back in the day. So to all those

1:31:08

artists that stole from Metallica and the likes

1:31:10

I apologize I'm just as bad as is

1:31:12

Sean from Napster. We're setting an

1:31:14

interesting precedent for what this segment represents Illegalities

1:31:17

yeah. Well, all right. That's it.

1:31:20

We'll end there with all of

1:31:22

our illegal ripoff

1:31:24

practices from our youth Shane

1:31:27

thanks for coming on talk about

1:31:29

a K and making CD mixes

1:31:31

and selling them the business behind

1:31:34

that and Joseph thanks for

1:31:36

coming on talk at a K and and

1:31:38

we'll talk to you guys You