0:07

Good morning! Are we on? Are

0:10

we doing another loop? Ah, good morning! Alright,

0:12

here we are. This feels very weird. I

0:15

don't have headphones on, I'm not

0:17

hearing music, I don't have annoying

0:19

stuff going on in the studio around me. It's

0:21

all very, very different. We're doing something quite experimental

0:24

this morning and I'm glad that you could be

0:26

part of it, especially if you woke up to

0:28

join us. This is the

0:30

Gareth Cliffs show on the Real Network

0:32

and we are live. We're also the

0:34

first show and we've tried

0:36

to figure out whether there's anyone else. The guys

0:38

who operate some of this technology that we're using

0:41

this morning have assured us there isn't. They said,

0:43

oh yeah, there must be and then they went

0:45

and checked and said, ah, fuck,

0:47

there isn't. It's just you. So

0:49

this is the first ever live

0:52

podcast using green screen technology,

0:55

the Unreal Engine, which is the stuff they used,

0:57

by the way, in the Mandalorian TV

0:59

series that Disney produced with

1:01

Star Wars. So, I mean,

1:03

some cool stuff going on and this is just the

1:06

tip of the iceberg. Big thank you

1:08

this morning to the team who were pulling

1:10

serious hours last night. All

1:13

the producers, Juan Dile, James,

1:16

Marvin, these guys know their stuff, Tian.

1:19

I couldn't have done

1:21

any of this stuff without them. I was lying in bed

1:23

last night watching a test that they were doing. They

1:26

were all still like full of energy and I

1:28

wanted to fall asleep and die. So well done,

1:30

gents. Excellent, excellent job around

1:32

there. And yeah, and congratulations

1:34

to Michael Flax, who's married. Thank you.

1:36

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Look

1:39

at him. He's our guest this morning,

1:41

Leanne Moles here. Steve is also running

1:43

around checking on everybody, making sure everything's

1:45

okay. So we've got a full complement

1:47

of people. Big thanks to

1:49

you guys for coming through and for not wearing green.

1:51

Otherwise you would have melted into the background and it

1:53

would have looked like you were a floating head. This

1:56

new studio is so sick. It's cool,

1:58

right? Proper sick. So we decided. Instead

2:01

of messing with anybody and bringing in

2:03

a new guest who they

2:05

didn't know or someone that they weren't that

2:07

familiar with, we're not going to mess

2:09

with the audience, we're going to bring in people they already

2:11

know. So we thought, well, they know you, they know you,

2:13

they know me. No surprises there. Hi.

2:17

I do like how Flax had to wait for this fancy

2:19

set up to announce his marriage. I

2:21

know, you know. I know. I'm

2:23

glad Bill's no delay is last night. Yeah, you

2:26

refused to like come and sit here and

2:28

just talk about it in our ordinary old

2:30

studio or at home on LinkedIn. Yeah. I

2:32

was actually talking to Leanne about this and

2:34

we were thinking about how this

2:36

is about the ninth incarnation of

2:39

us doing shows together. There

2:41

was at least, I think

2:43

there were probably three versions of studio that we did

2:45

in radio. One was in the

2:47

bowels. Yeah, yeah. It's like at the bottom

2:50

of the SABC building with

2:52

it. I mean, they went so deep down

2:54

because they were so terrified of like the

2:56

blacks coming, you know, in all the... Everything

2:59

was bum-proofed. Yeah. And

3:01

they had these levels and you would go down

3:04

several levels and then they had these studios and

3:06

they had what they called, I

3:08

might have discussed this on the show before, an

3:12

anechoic chamber. What? Which

3:14

is, yeah, it's a room where

3:16

they have all the sound absorbing

3:18

material that you can possibly squeeze into

3:21

that space. If you drop a

3:24

microphone into the middle of it and

3:26

you talk, it actually... All

3:28

the sound is absorbed almost immediately. So

3:31

you can hear your own heart

3:33

beating. You can hear

3:35

the blood pumping in your ears. It is

3:37

wild. Anyway, down there in

3:39

the bowels, we did a version

3:42

of the show. Then we did one up in

3:44

the foyer. They redid the studio once or twice.

3:47

Then, of course, we started Cliff Central and

3:50

we did a show from there for close

3:52

on eight years in those

3:54

studios. And through that, Covid happened. So

3:56

we learned to do our shows from

3:58

home, which was... wild and

4:01

now here we are in about the eighth

4:03

or ninth incarnation with a totally different look

4:05

and feel and this is

4:07

just the beginning as I said we've got lots

4:10

of exciting stuff happening we've we've

4:12

bought a green

4:14

suit that covers someone from

4:16

head to toe right there's a

4:18

covering like like that like those

4:22

blue man group used to wear we remember them

4:24

that I never watched it that's

4:30

it so those guys

4:32

would wear that stuff but we've got a

4:34

suit like that so you could you literally

4:36

go oh do you want it did you

4:39

want a coffee and they'll breathe it'll look

4:41

like you even know that there's a person

4:43

fantastic okay so some

4:46

people are saying turn up the volume there

4:48

so apparently our whistle listen you

4:50

know this audience is so ungrateful

4:53

let me tell you something do

4:55

you know what time we all woke up to be here for

4:57

you this morning do you know

4:59

how much effort and money has been spent to

5:01

make this show available to you this morning for

5:03

free complain about the

5:05

sound how very dare you how

5:08

very very very dare you all right

5:10

well we've got Meg saying toilet humor

5:12

on the green screen in the near

5:14

future Oh absolutely 100% yes

5:17

you know how much we love a bit of

5:20

toilet humor are people still going to the same

5:22

place to watch this still on YouTube yes yes

5:24

all the comments there mmm I think we've given

5:26

everybody a chance to to kind

5:28

of figure out what we're doing and I

5:31

didn't want to make a big fuss of this morning which is

5:33

why I didn't throw forward to it last week I

5:35

didn't say oh it's gonna be amazing cuz what

5:37

if it wasn't you know that's always you

5:40

tell people oh no you've got to come

5:42

and check out what we're gonna be doing on Monday it's gonna

5:44

be fantastic and then they get here and they're like

5:47

you know this little tin box of puppets going

5:49

good morning I say

5:55

it's bad all right so can someone cue

6:00

the horns on Garrett's head. Yeah, those are

6:02

coming too. Don't worry. Do you know what

6:04

we've ordered? Yeah. Because I

6:06

mean, like I'm just having so much fun

6:08

with this and everybody on the team is

6:11

too. We've ordered one of those horse head

6:13

masks. You

6:15

know those like really ridiculously obviously fake

6:18

ones. Yeah. I'm going to have some of

6:20

our guests wear those mystery guests and all

6:22

the rest of it. It's like that mask

6:24

thing. Yeah. And now I mean with the

6:26

green screen here, you wouldn't know I could

6:28

I could have like a fake Joe Biden

6:30

or Donald Trump. Yeah. You know,

6:32

we're going to fake neither. No, I could

6:35

do all of that interview and the guest

6:37

is only revealed at the end. Yeah. So

6:39

yeah, this is this is the way it's

6:41

going to be going from now on. Obviously

6:44

we're going to change quite a lot as

6:46

we go, but you get to see first

6:48

view of what's new and we really are

6:50

breaking new ground, making history the

6:52

way that it is meant to be. Pioneering

6:55

podcasting, changing the way that we

6:57

do content in South Africa and now this and

6:59

there's so much more. I can't begin. I can't

7:01

begin to tell you because we'll be here all

7:04

day. Who has the time? So

7:07

Flax got married. Yeah, she's I've come

7:09

a long way on every studio you've

7:11

had. This is a marriage

7:13

studio. So let's just let's just fill people

7:15

in because they might not. There might be

7:17

new people watching us this morning live who've

7:20

never ever seen or heard your story before. Flax

7:22

used to be a producer on the show. In

7:25

fact, we didn't know who he

7:27

was for a long time. Remember, he was kind

7:29

of lurking around. Yeah, I don't know. I didn't

7:32

I was never formally into. Well, Aria Kelman brought

7:34

him in as like an assistant and he was

7:36

trying to learn stuff about how to, you know,

7:39

do shows or whatever. And

7:41

I mean, you were like what all of 20

7:43

years old. Yeah, I was very young. Yeah. Now

7:46

you're so old. First year of varsity. Yeah. Anyway,

7:48

he came in and he was just like lurking around.

7:51

None of us really knew what he was there to

7:53

do. No. And after only after a month, someone

7:55

asked that. Who The fuck is

7:58

that? They

8:00

say any and then he's like i'm

8:02

I'm Michael Slacks not he said my

8:04

name's Michael the math about at Mako

8:06

dated a marked man I karma Lexisnexis

8:09

and I look at you Have you

8:11

grown up? Got married? Algo

8:13

must an unplanned intern in those becasue

8:15

I bet everything since it has been

8:17

so plan ya know he was on

8:19

the so with me when he said

8:21

i've decided I'm gonna get married I

8:23

mean that wasn't when enemy now is

8:25

a huge chains because he was up

8:28

doling yarns very true stories. I mean

8:30

you know than he did that the

8:32

job at Night Lights never recovered said

8:34

in an effort out at a Cessna.

8:36

but some ya very very much a

8:38

different and and new exciting chapter for

8:40

you. And you know I've got married

8:42

last month. Yeah, fair to March and I

8:44

heard your speech wins. As

8:47

for the site's I'm a loss uma loss

8:49

as as I said magma had Manaus his

8:51

assistant manager. it's what I did for the

8:53

speech was a sap are just set the

8:56

one day and i just basically put out

8:58

my heart on a piece of paper small

9:00

was like our when really deep cause in

9:02

the the day like at your wedding is

9:05

that it's the minded people you know like

9:07

it's just like a closed group of people

9:09

that really care about in people that you

9:11

care about to tango deep you can depressed

9:13

snow and ya just was i this your

9:16

to get one. Waiting species only get

9:18

one waiting sites or thought let me

9:20

just go all out and job people

9:22

love to speech. I've got very mosul.

9:24

During the speech some sort of said

9:26

everything I wanted to said was a

9:28

proper butte. Everything that could go wrong

9:31

when draft. ah that one of those

9:33

days when you didn't even notice it.

9:35

So the opposite of Li Ads three

9:37

marriages accept that. Wow what an

9:39

aha. Frames that night. And

9:42

I also had a very. Perfect.

9:44

Wedding my says time and.

9:47

And yeah that was athlete. He nothing

9:49

that went wrong except somebody didn't get

9:52

paid because the yes and this man.

9:54

that drank and we found a take the

9:56

next morning at had been stumped on the

9:58

thousand times so as yeah that was a

10:00

trade but yeah I mean last time we spoke

10:03

I was educating you on electric

10:05

toothbrushes and now you're married somebody else gets

10:07

to do that I know and you know

10:09

what else is cool is the our

10:12

most popular video is

10:14

still by miles can

10:17

you guess? Dominatrix.

10:19

Dominatrix can't even say it properly but

10:22

yeah the dominatrix flax getting

10:24

beaten by a dominatrix and you can go

10:26

and see the video it's still our most

10:28

popular one well on its way to like

10:30

a million views or something I checked like

10:33

a couple months ago people still commenting like

10:35

to this day incredible fresh comments no it's

10:37

there what do you think about all that?

10:40

I listen that

10:42

bull whistle name is stuck in both our

10:44

heads the bull whistle that was

10:47

that punisher no bull's pizzle do

10:49

you know what a pizzle is?

10:51

It's a penis isn't it? dried

10:53

up so that in the

10:55

old days a pizzle was a

10:57

dried up bulls penis

11:00

okay that they would use

11:02

as as a

11:04

whip or as a some sort

11:06

of brandishing tool or whatever but

11:09

it's just a word pizzle. It's

11:12

quite what you would use to really

11:14

insult a man. So great. You seem

11:16

to have a small pizzle. Look

11:19

at your pizzle. I'm

11:22

sure you've used that on a couple of videos. I could have. Alright

11:24

so loads of things to get to this morning we're gonna

11:32

check in on some news we're gonna find out

11:34

what's going on in the sports we're

11:36

gonna bring in producer James whose sports

11:38

has not improved even though the set

11:40

and the studio have. Don't expect anything

11:42

more. Expect nothing from him his sports

11:44

is still gonna be rubbish but

11:47

very exciting comments here lots of people saying

11:49

are you guys actually sitting together or are you

11:51

in different locations oh you see you'll never

11:53

know. Yeah it's so true. Because the fun thing

11:55

now is like I could be doing this

11:57

from my bed. I

11:59

just have to make sure that the

12:01

bed clothes are under here. And I

12:04

just have to have a backdrop that's

12:06

green and everything will be perfect. Right?

12:08

Yeah, it's possible. I'm AR generated over

12:11

here. Yeah, I mean bloom. Yeah, Leanne,

12:13

what are you doing in bloom? I

12:15

just wanted to test out

12:17

this, this really works. So there's Deshne who's

12:19

listening to us from Vienna, Austria this week.

12:22

Needed my South African fix, love the new

12:24

studio. Scholar today. Whitehouse tomorrow just

12:26

vibes all around. Congrats. Well, that's a lot.

12:28

Have you guys seen that new AR thing

12:30

that got planted on us on WhatsApp? Oh,

12:33

yeah, yeah, the little at the top. Yeah,

12:35

it's proper. Do you use it? Yes. Tell

12:37

me what you used it for. So if

12:40

you go to your WhatsApp, go

12:42

to your WhatsApp and just

12:45

open it up. Right. And then at the top,

12:47

you'll see where you search usually,

12:50

put in a search thing there and it should come up with like,

12:53

how do you know that the actual she

12:55

probably has an updated a lot where Leanna

12:57

has been a software since like

12:59

the 1990s. In fact, I still thinks it's a Nokia

13:01

3310. I'll see. So you're gonna see

13:07

all the weird things that I searched for.

13:09

Like you can make AR generated things on

13:11

your screen. By the way, this

13:13

is like going to dinner party with two people are

13:16

showing each other shit on their phone and you're not

13:18

involved. I don't know how it works. And you're like,

13:20

what is this? But anyway, okay, well, you can ask

13:22

it to do things for you like, oh, you there.

13:24

I did an airplane on a hippo. And

13:27

then it will be like a journey. Yeah. So

13:29

you say literally put an airplane on a hippo

13:31

and it will send you back a photo of

13:33

an airplane on a hippo. So

13:35

that's very useful, obviously, because I

13:37

mean, a lot of people want

13:39

airplanes with the limits. But

13:42

you can be like, give me a recipe that

13:44

I can make in 30 minutes for like a

13:47

Coca Cola chicken. And then I do that on

13:49

Google. True. Yes. But this

13:52

is now on WhatsApp, Leanne. And what

13:54

we want is more everywhere all the

13:56

time. You're gonna start charging us, aren't

13:58

they? Yeah, this go look already. if

14:00

you want to use the advanced

14:03

and up-to-date versions of chat

14:06

GPT or whatever, you have to pay for them.

14:09

So there's the public one, but it gives you

14:11

very rudimentary stuff. A lot of people are using

14:13

that now to write essays for Varsity or to

14:15

do that. I do

14:17

that every day in work. Same. I think

14:19

it's genius. It is. No, it is. It

14:22

is. But you can also tell if someone's

14:24

using it because it's so generic. No,

14:26

100%. But you can ask to not be generic.

14:29

The paid version is so much better. Yeah, no,

14:31

100%. Anyway, some people are

14:33

saying it's very, very cool that we

14:35

don't have to wear headphones because

14:37

that, you know, now they

14:39

can see how truly enormous our ears

14:42

are and deform. We all actually,

14:44

you didn't know, but I was hiding a

14:46

pair of Trichas ears

14:49

all this time. There are lots of cool

14:52

comments. You can drop us those. If you

14:54

haven't already subscribed, then please do it. I'm

14:56

not going to bother you the whole way

14:58

through the show trying to get you to

15:00

like and subscribe, but you know, it helps.

15:02

And we've got algorithms working in the background.

15:04

That's how everything works in media these days.

15:06

So don't make me ask you twice. All

15:13

right. I love the new set up says Jane. Helen

15:15

says this AI stuff is math. Okay. Well, Helen,

15:18

that makes you sound a thousand years old. Okay.

15:21

Leanne is still on mix it. Is

15:23

this true? I

15:26

actually googled the other day of mix it with like

15:28

in existence. Why do you want to go check out

15:30

your old login? Watch

15:32

Leanne end up with thousands of messages

15:34

from people. It's still on mix. It

15:36

was quite recently defined. Really? Yeah.

15:39

It was there for a while.

15:41

It worked. We were talking about

15:43

IRC chat and yeah,

15:45

man. What

15:47

do you use? What do you use this AI stuff

15:49

for? I

15:52

use in day to day work. I use chat

15:54

GPT. I love it. I

15:56

was using it long time. You could summarize things

15:58

and you could top out an email. and

16:00

I would say just make this clearer

16:02

or better to understand or in point

16:04

form. Oh really because people send you

16:06

gobbled and jumbled. I

16:09

said, gobbled

16:12

and jumbled emails and then you think, oh

16:14

I'm not even going to touch this. Just

16:17

put it straight into chatgpt. Some arise things

16:19

or someone could say I need this, give

16:21

me a breakdown. Listen, you literally just copy

16:23

paste in chatgpt and say exactly

16:25

what you need. As long as you can

16:28

tell chatgpt

16:30

precisely what you want, it's all in the

16:32

communication to the system. So there are courses

16:34

now for that in

16:36

putting the information. So you

16:38

would say act as a social media

16:41

manager and blah blah blah or act

16:43

as a copywriter and then you would

16:45

need to put in things like no

16:48

jargon, not

16:51

machine like language, human language.

16:54

You can put those terms in and it really helps. But

16:56

also for bigger concepts, my

16:59

boss put his head out the door

17:01

the one day and said we need an

17:03

AI concept for a fragrance

17:06

launch in the store and we need

17:08

like an AI game, a conceptual

17:10

game for them to play. Put

17:13

that into chatgpt, put in a couple of

17:15

keywords. And it comes up with it. The

17:17

fragrance comes up with the actual games where you

17:19

can buy them, how you download them. Maybe this

17:21

is the gap that former producer Damon Calvary has

17:24

been waiting for. For his fragrance business. This is

17:26

going to lift it right off the ground. Right

17:28

off the ground. This is his moment to

17:31

shine. He got a special deserved mention this

17:33

morning. A funny picture came up of

17:36

you and me and Mabale at some

17:38

event 12 years ago. And

17:43

yeah, I mean obviously we look very old

17:45

in comparison. But yes,

17:48

Tabu says, oh look, here are the women and men

17:50

in black. Yes. That's it,

17:53

Tabu. That wasn't even planned. I was just told don't

17:55

wear green. I Did

17:57

also see a nice comment about Ass, you

17:59

look gorgeous. Right? I mean

18:01

you look gorgeous or our asses look gorgeous.

18:03

Got it? I could see I have never

18:05

miss a the I'd and decency means definitely

18:07

Un yeah thanks is or if you want

18:09

to look it says some of stuff it's

18:11

going on People don't want to. Just here's

18:13

talk nonsense or morning so sexy. Worked for

18:15

them for a while but the Us House

18:17

of Representatives. that's how he worked for buses

18:20

as an adolescent. I mean I target majority

18:22

tasted her say the green doesn't season a

18:24

very intelligent but slack see if it's you

18:26

could probably get in there if she can't

18:28

That car I mean the Senate's rock. May

18:30

I see? Message to flex Ended up

18:32

being President the United States by the

18:34

way. remind me to tell you but

18:36

assassinating dinner I had on Saturday nights

18:38

and takes on as that something amazing

18:40

about what could happen in the Us

18:42

elections just remind me Anyway we talking

18:45

about the rest of us representative that

18:47

proved to build. On. Saturday that

18:49

will force be wildly popular social

18:51

network tic toc to divest from

18:53

it's Chinese parent company or be

18:55

shut out of the American masses.

18:59

Ah, This is I suppose a you are

19:01

involved in this. That's why I think it's a

19:03

good one for us. Talk a little bit

19:05

about this morning. I hate sick tough guy

19:07

day. I know where on their now so night

19:10

that I mean it's just not. It's

19:12

not something I don't to, I

19:14

don't have an account, I'm not

19:16

interest. I know that's a lot

19:18

of people are getting this stuff

19:20

and good for you, but you're

19:22

also being given and force fed

19:24

and selected for brainwashing and stupid

19:26

nonsense whereas you know the kids

19:29

in China love to watch anything

19:31

but educational. And and uplifting

19:33

stuff Me? well in the western world

19:35

people are watching my completely stupid people

19:37

do dogs moves but I know you

19:40

worked for them for a little while.

19:42

Yeah we add to the a reseller

19:44

ads for them. i mean i

19:47

love that i think it is very

19:49

addictive stay algorithms off the nominal so

19:51

they'd like see do exactly what you

19:53

want which makes as addictive and the

19:55

content or love at first party content

19:58

like i would rather watch you over

20:00

Netflix any day. So I really,

20:02

I like the app, it's one

20:04

of the apps that I do have. I've started deleting apps.

20:08

It's like anything I spend a lot of time on. I

20:10

just want to have like one or two apps I use

20:12

a day. Not like four or five social apps. I

20:15

actually heard this news yesterday while I was in

20:17

Spa, but they didn't give a breakdown of why.

20:19

And I just assumed it had something to do

20:21

with the China spying

20:24

or something like that. It's China. Is that

20:26

it? China. It's

20:28

basically China. Actually, there are security issues

20:30

here. I mean, you've got a Chinese

20:33

company that's owned by the

20:35

Chinese Communist Party, the government. They're the major shareholder

20:37

in all of it. I don't even

20:39

know if there are other shareholders at this point. But

20:43

they are able to influence that very clever

20:45

algorithm that you speak of in

20:48

order to really get into

20:50

the minds and hearts and lives

20:52

and homes of American citizens. Now,

20:55

this would be, you know, it wouldn't be a

20:57

big deal with the eyes of a 20-year-old. But

21:00

with the eyes of someone a little bit

21:02

older, it's nothing short of like spying. Yeah,

21:05

it is dangerous. It's nothing short of having assets

21:08

in every market

21:10

that you're not meant to be in. It's

21:13

phenomenal. Because you're collecting data every time

21:15

someone touches this screen. And it's massively

21:17

dangerous. I mean, like China knows more

21:19

about what Americans in their

21:21

20s and 30s are thinking than American

21:23

knows about one Chinese person in

21:25

their 20s and 30s. So

21:28

what are they going to do with the information

21:30

then? So let's say because...

21:32

Taiwan! My

21:34

for you page, my FIPE will

21:37

often come up with... I'm

21:40

thinking of American young people issues in

21:42

America. And something that comes to mind

21:44

is the whole anti-abortion. Now

21:47

the fact that you've got to destroy the eggs,

21:49

your own eggs that you froze because

21:52

they're living creatures and... No, that's

21:54

such nonsense. So you're already being

21:56

manipulated. You think so? Yes, absolutely.

21:58

This just proves my... point. So

22:01

what is China gaining from feeding

22:03

me, let's say I lived in

22:05

America with content that's anti-abortion? This

22:08

is clearly, so we know

22:11

that there are two massive issues in this

22:13

election that are coming up in America and

22:15

it's, you know, we talk about election interference

22:18

but the Democrats main issue

22:21

in this election is going to be

22:23

abortion. They're already saying other Republicans are

22:26

trying to prevent women from accessing health

22:28

care and they'll destroy your eggs that

22:30

you've frozen exactly the propaganda that you've

22:32

just come out with. You've clearly fallen

22:34

for it. Well, I don't know. I mean,

22:36

I haven't read into it. I don't have frozen eggs and

22:38

I don't live in America. That's part of it. The other

22:40

big issue is obviously immigration. But this

22:42

is how the Chinese indirectly will affect

22:44

the US elections. Get the candidate they

22:46

want. They put it to you this

22:48

way. If China

22:51

did want to attack Taiwan and

22:53

take it over, whether militarily or

22:57

psychologically or figuratively

23:00

in some way, who

23:02

would they rather want in charge, Joe Biden or

23:04

Donald Trump? Joe Biden.

23:06

Joe Biden. Yeah. So wouldn't

23:08

they be putting propaganda about

23:10

abortion in front of young

23:13

American girls? True. See

23:16

what I mean? This is really not

23:18

rocket science. If you've got the way

23:20

of getting to them, the

23:23

means to do it, and they

23:25

trust you because you're on an app

23:27

that is already delivering the

23:29

content that, as you both already said, you

23:31

care about your for you page, all of

23:33

this stuff. Suddenly you've got an in that

23:36

even those kids' parents

23:38

don't have. Frightening. So

23:41

the US House of Representatives is going

23:43

to vote this week on that. And

23:45

we'll see what happens. They're not heard

23:47

something about they could still

23:49

keep law stay live in America if

23:51

they changed the company it was housed

23:53

under. Essentially, the US Congress

23:56

is not saying that you need to hand

23:59

it over to us. They can't do that.

24:01

It's a country that believes in property rights.

24:03

It would be completely anathema for them to

24:05

do that what they are going to do

24:07

is they're going to look at ways of Getting

24:11

the Chinese to divest

24:14

The Chinese government to divest from this now whether or

24:16

not they'll do that They'll create a bunch of shell

24:18

companies who knows are you gonna have insight into the

24:20

financials? Are you actually going to know who you're dealing

24:22

with? It's all very complicated

24:25

But it would be a shot across the bars

24:27

from America to say look we're not just going

24:29

to tolerate you Gathering

24:31

information and selling our people propaganda big

24:33

for for America to ban it I

24:35

mean think of how many people make

24:37

a living in America or tech talk

24:39

alone like that's their full-time job Yeah,

24:41

there would be a lot

24:43

of unemployment even companies that do

24:45

content creation and influence Yeah,

24:49

that's big. That's a big move bold move as well

24:52

Carl says in the comments this will lead back

24:54

to porn the Chinese will just learn our favorite

24:57

types of porn and feed that to us Well,

25:00

we can tell what you're busy thinking about this morning,

25:02

Carl That's great.

25:05

Is flex comfortable around all those books be careful not

25:07

to leave him alone in there Yeah, I brought some

25:09

of my own books. Yeah, I'm sure you'll see Yeah,

25:13

very good Algorithms polarized

25:15

society a conspiracy theorist will be fed more

25:18

conspiracies Well, this is the kind of thing

25:20

that happens and everybody knows we're not immune

25:22

to this I don't think

25:24

there's anyone in the world who doesn't realize

25:26

that they're being fed stuff They already agree with

25:29

so that they'll keep coming back Whether

25:32

it's on YouTube tick-tock Instagram

25:36

wherever you might be you're being sold stuff

25:38

that you already like that's why they keep

25:41

on selling it to you And you keep

25:43

buying it So everybody thinks

25:45

they're an independent thinker at this point really

25:47

needs to evaluate that on a daily basis

25:49

Make sure that you're not a complete moron.

25:51

Yeah, I mean, it's really not just tick-tock.

25:53

It is everywhere I didn't and I mean

25:55

tick-tock is basically You'll

25:59

find on Instagram What you find on

26:01

Tic Tacs you'll find out that under

26:03

any kind of new seed thing that

26:05

you follow like that a bad seed

26:07

or a him slip board or something

26:09

like that. any to rated new seed

26:11

you'll find and Tic Tacs european. The

26:13

thing is you'll probably see it faced.

26:17

The i'm the Clement their from Rachel makes a

26:19

lot of sense. Like Google doesn't spy on us.

26:21

So what sap? Why do we get ads of

26:23

the things they say we want? It's so funny.

26:25

Ah, you just have to mention that than the

26:27

assets. Of his ear. Are

26:30

but we look past it when when it's presented

26:32

to us like as soon as that happens to

26:34

us he like ah that's so weird else is

26:36

talking about it but then you do you done

26:38

with that you leave at the next second later

26:40

not actually knowing how dangerous it is. that. You

26:43

joking about it? Ended up when your facebook

26:45

like to see go in depth than it

26:47

mean you don't eat and go to page

26:50

worried about exactly but you shoot a certificate.

26:52

What's the what's the worst thing? You've been

26:54

advertised the direction and once but you know

26:56

that your phone was listening to you and

26:58

then you ended up getting i can barrels

27:00

of ads for this because I got baby

27:02

products once and I'm like as far as

27:04

I know I don't have any kids yeah

27:07

as far as I know and even if

27:09

I know right now my phone's probably going

27:11

move babies and decided we'll send them some.

27:13

More ads I know, I. Got a

27:15

weird thing is to see simply

27:18

and in others horribly seat ads.

27:20

Let's. Just am. Separatists

27:23

in each one. O. Or.

27:26

It's a part of. A product or lock The lock

27:28

or are we talk about tic toc. And.

27:30

None and I dislike. Him when I'm

27:32

scrolling around. Ah, And it'll say like

27:35

four hundred and fifty nine man. And you look

27:37

at it in that looks like a could come

27:39

from a washing machine. Idea what it says? one

27:41

of those. And it's had sings in that

27:43

that looks like. Multi. Sided.

27:45

dull those or something and who

27:47

knows what you've been putting your

27:49

phone right. Joe thought it. Seals

27:52

sided and the with aca weird and

27:54

looks like a bicycle seat that could

27:56

give you extra plaza was something like

27:58

that at it. turned it around to

28:00

my own body. We're no longer dual-sided. We try

28:02

us louder now because we're both going to say it.

28:04

And he said, what is this? And he looked at it and

28:07

he said, those are parts of a

28:09

gaming AI visual goggle.

28:12

You agree with a dildo? Yeah,

28:14

I mean, this is how old I'm getting. Because

28:17

we've mentioned AI and games. You've got to do

28:19

an age. This is just you're a sick and

28:21

twisted individual. What can we say? I was

28:23

then selling parts that you fit to your AI

28:26

headset, like rubber, comfort things. Oh, wow.

28:28

Yeah. I don't know if I would

28:30

have. And I'd never googled anything like

28:32

that. Should we try and bring

28:34

James in here? Get in here, James.

28:36

Do something useful on the show this morning. Get

28:39

him in here to do some sport. We'll get back to your dildos

28:41

in a minute. And there is more. And

28:43

remind me about that dinner I have to tell you about

28:45

with the US election. That's quite fun. Talk

28:47

about it. I get... Oh, look at

28:49

him. He's wheeling in his chair. Just no, show

28:51

this. Show all of it. I

28:53

want everybody to see how embarrassing it is that

28:56

this guy... Look at him. What an idiot. What

28:58

an idiot. This is great.

29:02

I can't wait for us to build you your own shitty

29:04

little producer booth. I'm very excited for it. I'm going

29:06

to make sure that it is right

29:08

next to the toilets. I'm

29:10

going to make sure that you are using the

29:13

most primitive equipment we can

29:15

find. Right, Flax? This is how

29:17

it starts. You remember. This is where it goes. I

29:19

got to do my 10,000 hours, right? But you could

29:22

end up being as successful and slick as Michael Flax

29:24

here one day. That's the dream. That's only the goal.

29:26

You could end up with a lovely wife. You could

29:28

end up with a plan, with a career. Those are

29:30

all the dreams. Success, right, Flax?

29:33

Yeah. Follow his lead. What's

29:36

it like to have a wife? That's amazing.

29:38

Amazing. Right, you don't ask

29:40

anyone that the first month. No. What

29:42

do you think? He's going to say after the first month,

29:45

You know, we're already having arguments about where to

29:48

put the rubbish. The

29:50

kid keeps us up all night. What, after a

29:52

month? Give the guy a chance. What's

29:55

it like to have a wife? James. All right.

29:58

Focus on the sport for this morning, if you can even do that. Right,

30:00

so listen what we do here Flax in case

30:02

you don't know yeah on Fridays

30:04

Ben does a professional sports Intro

30:07

he helps us to figure out like

30:11

What sport we should be watching because there's so much to

30:13

choose. Yeah, and what we should be betting

30:15

on even You know there's a lot of stuff to

30:17

do and then on a Monday

30:19

James comes in and tells us what actually

30:21

happened Sometimes

30:23

he gets it right, but most

30:26

often not All

30:28

right, so let's look at it

30:30

the underscore board the weekend sports

30:32

recap here along with super bets

30:34

is James the producer Sure,

30:36

so we're gonna try everything we can to do

30:39

well in the football We'll

30:41

start with Premier League wolves took on Arsenal to

30:43

know they are now back on the top of

30:46

the log Which is not the greatest news

30:48

for Liverpool fans Liverpool

30:50

also won this weekend 3-1 the

30:53

title race is getting hotter by the week

30:56

City are one game behind now and

30:58

also one point behind the two league leaders at

31:00

the moment So it's gonna heat

31:02

up as we get closer towards the end of

31:04

the season. There's about six games or so left

31:06

to go So hopefully

31:08

the boys in red Can pull

31:10

it off sticking with

31:13

football Manchester? United actually

31:15

pulled something quite incredible off yesterday.

31:18

They played Coventry in the FA Cup. They

31:20

were winning that game 3-0

31:24

It didn't go so well for them and

31:26

already hear other people laughing at you. Yeah,

31:28

if you're talking about something you don't understand

31:32

Coventry came back with three goals

31:36

So it was 3-3 by the end of the game

31:38

and then man, you know that ended up winning 4-2

31:40

on penalties Man, you know, it's

31:42

just a gift that keeps on giving a margin Coventry

31:45

exactly exactly So

31:50

that was a fake up Manchester United Manchester

31:52

City in the other semi-final leg they beat

31:55

Chelsea 1-0 in a little bit of

31:57

a controversial game, but we have a

31:59

Manchester Derby for the FA Cup final, which

32:02

is incredible. We love to see that. Stickin'

32:05

with the Football Calf Champions League

32:07

semi-finals, shock defeat for sundowns in

32:09

their first leg game against the

32:12

EST Niz. Their second

32:14

leg will be on April 26th. Formula

32:17

One Gareth asked you last week, and I know you don't

32:20

care at all. I would think

32:22

you're, it's like asking Leanne about

32:27

nuclear physics. I

32:29

just have to ask you who you think won the Grand

32:32

Prix this week. Do you, I don't even. I don't even.

32:34

There you go, see? You should've

32:36

asked her. She actually knows a

32:38

lot about Formula One. Oh really? Used

32:40

to watch it religiously. Well I was a Formula One

32:42

wife, not married to any of the Formula One drivers.

32:44

Just somebody who thought they were a Formula One driver.

32:46

If you'd been married to a Formula One driver, you

32:48

would not be sitting here early on a Monday morning

32:50

with us. You'd be spending it up in the French

32:52

Riviera or something. Well, I might be

32:54

there now. You never know with AI. Yeah, that's true.

32:58

With the race track, yeah. So,

33:01

if the Formula One backstop and did

33:03

indeed come first, Norris in in second

33:05

and Perez in at third. And

33:08

a little bit of news coming out of

33:10

that Grand Prix. Riccardo, Daniel Riccardo, given a

33:12

three-place grid penalty for the Miami Grand Prix,

33:15

which will take place on the 5th of May.

33:18

Then lastly, we have. Wait, why was he given the

33:20

penalty? Again, flex. Don't ask.

33:23

You're asking you, so we're not going

33:25

in. It's not what you want. Trust me.

33:28

It's because he was overtaking Nico Hulkenberg during

33:30

the safety car. Not

33:32

allowed. Not allowed at all. Bad

33:34

news. And then lastly,

33:37

with the rugby, the URC, the

33:40

Bulls and the Stormers dropped the bag with

33:42

two significant home losses over the weekend. Bulls

33:44

took on Munster. They lost 22, 27. And

33:48

then the Stormers took on Ospreys. They lost 21, 27. Over

33:52

the Lions produced a glorious result,

33:55

beating tabletoping Leinster 4412, which is huge.

34:00

And that is the sport.

34:03

News. Very good. Not

34:05

great. No, you know what, that was fine. You

34:08

let me judge it and you just go back to doing

34:10

whatever it is you do. I'm going to go to my

34:12

room in the corner. That's what I know. Very good. Highlight

34:15

Reel. Absolutely, Highlight Reel. Just

34:17

really results. I mean, you could probably look

34:20

this up and you'd have a better experience

34:22

than asking James. But anyway,

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34:42

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34:44

same time, catch up with Flax, who's

34:46

back in the studio after getting married.

34:49

And we've got loads of other good stuff to

34:51

talk about. All of that and more on the

34:53

way. No Dr. Hannon today, by the way. We're

34:55

still getting some parts of the technology together. Then

34:58

he'll appear on the screen behind us. Oh, lovely. And

35:01

you'll be able to hear him giving

35:03

all his useful psychological advice over our

35:05

shoulders the way we need it with

35:07

a good shrink every morning. But we'll

35:10

be skipping that this morning so

35:12

you don't have to stress about him. Okay,

35:14

so Flax, another thing

35:16

that's happening with you is you're busy

35:19

preparing for Pesach tonight, which is the

35:21

Passover. Another thing I used chatgy PT

35:23

for last night. I created a swear

35:25

to God. And look up what Pesach

35:28

was? In three minutes, it

35:30

made me like an entire dialogue of the

35:32

prayers, the explanation on the prayers and then

35:34

the prayer, like I understood my market. You're

35:36

going to seem like you're a real Jew.

35:39

I've researched this for years. Tonight you'll be

35:41

the real thing. I swear to God, in

35:43

three minutes last night, I said exactly what

35:45

I asked it for. Rabbi Flax.

35:48

Exactly. I understand

35:50

your position. So I

35:52

write speeches and even

35:55

corporate copy corporate. No,

35:58

for the Jewish community. Oh

36:00

my god! Yeah, right, the fatty speeders,

36:03

all speeders. That is a niche

36:05

sort of field. It's very niche,

36:07

yes. I took over from

36:09

a friend of mine who had a

36:13

stroke and she had, through her

36:15

life, both of them. Did she

36:17

have a stroke from all the, like, no, do it

36:19

again, no, I don't like that, take this out, put

36:21

that in, you know how the Jews are, right? The

36:23

difficulty please, I'll tell you what, with high standards. But

36:26

I've had to do-gle everything, hey? Oh

36:30

my gosh, and so yeah, I understand where

36:32

you are. A lot of it is fascinating.

36:34

Oh yeah. I mean, really. So

36:36

I'm pleased to hear that you also use these,

36:38

because everybody expects you to just know stuff. No,

36:41

you can't, not everybody. And you've got to be able to, I mean, let's

36:43

remember, we're dealing with about 5,000 years of history

36:45

here. True, true. So no one's

36:47

going to get it right all the time. But it's

36:49

funny, we've got all of these holidays around the same

36:51

time. I know Eid was just the other day. I

36:54

know that most Christians

36:56

celebrated Easter a

36:58

little while ago, but the Greek

37:00

Easter, the Russian Orthodox and Greek Orthodox

37:03

Easter is now, I think. So

37:06

it all, it's very complicated. Yeah, everything

37:08

happens. What do they do to celebrate?

37:11

What do you mean? In the Greek Easter?

37:13

So they also have, they have much older

37:15

traditions, funnily enough, than the ones in the

37:18

Western, more Catholic Christian

37:20

way of doing things. But

37:22

you would have to ask them. I

37:24

haven't really got into it, because no

37:27

one's ever really invited me

37:29

to it. I'd be interested in Greek Orthodox.

37:31

I know more about Pesach's, but I think

37:33

Greek Orthodox Easter.

37:36

All right. So a couple of other

37:38

things that we need to get to this morning. I see lots of

37:40

people talking politics. Obviously, we've got the election coming up. Who

37:43

do you think is advertising the best? I got

37:45

into an Uber discussion. I

37:47

flew back yesterday from Cape Town, and I was in

37:50

an Uber with one guy who was like, look at

37:52

all these ads. Do you think they're going to make

37:54

a difference? Do

37:56

you think so? I mean, you see some pretty

37:58

big billboards. On the

38:00

highway, I see they're all suddenly spending

38:03

up a storm. Well, the

38:05

only reason I'm grateful to see them

38:07

is because I'm seeing parties

38:09

that I didn't know about before. So

38:11

that's quite interesting, and I'll end up looking them up.

38:14

But as for the rest of it, there's nothing

38:16

more or less that the ANC could

38:19

do to convince me otherwise, or that the DA

38:21

could do, or the EFF. No,

38:23

but no part is going to help. On

38:25

your particular target market, I mean the

38:27

target market of one, they're not going

38:30

to persuade you with advertising. No, not

38:33

at all. Have you seen anything that made you think,

38:35

wow, okay, that's quite clever. No,

38:38

it's all boring. I mean, even Mussy My

38:40

Money, who's gone out there now this week

38:42

with his campaign, is like, a

38:44

job in every home. Yeah, you

38:47

call that, yeah. Really, you don't think

38:49

people already have enough to worry about? Now you want

38:51

to put another job in every home? I

38:53

know what he means, sarcastically. I

38:57

see also the Freiets

39:00

Front Plus and the

39:03

EFF are both contesting quite hotly along

39:05

the highway. Yeah. Talk

39:08

about like disparate parties. That's how you know.

39:10

By the way, if anyone's feeling sad and

39:12

sorry for themselves, and they think this country's

39:14

in big trouble, and we're a terrible example

39:16

of democracy, the fact that you

39:19

can have within the space of like

39:21

five minutes on the highway, a big

39:24

EFF poster, and then a

39:26

big Freiets Front Plus poster,

39:28

we're okay. And they all have

39:30

to come down soon. Oh, that's going to be a nightmare. They can

39:32

have a month before elections, they all have to come down after. No,

39:34

no, they can come down

39:36

after, but in fact they have to,

39:38

but you know there's going to be

39:40

so much trash lying around. Yeah, and

39:42

last time, I seem to remember the

39:45

EFF were the last to withdraw their

39:47

posters, and you get penalties for it.

39:49

Oh, mad. And most like street

39:51

polls aren't just like EFF posters. EFF,

39:53

MK, then DA, like all on top

39:56

of each other. It's ridiculous. Yeah,

39:58

there's quite a lot of... I

40:01

saw some of that in KZN but

40:03

not so much in Joburg. That's Jacob

40:05

Zuma's party, no? That's well, yes and

40:07

no. Depends. So they've

40:09

said he can run. He's

40:11

allowed. The

40:14

Constitutional Court said he's allowed. But

40:17

isn't he on parole or something? No.

40:20

So he did go to jail for a while, but

40:22

they decided he didn't go long enough. Not

40:24

by pardoning, but by commuting his

40:27

sentence, Cyril Ramaphosa effectively gave

40:29

him an out to

40:32

run without any restrictions,

40:35

which is interesting. I

40:38

don't know. Again, everybody's talking about that

40:40

as the unknown part of what

40:42

we're going into because they

40:44

couldn't have factored this in. Oh, God.

40:47

Oh, goodness me. I don't know. That

40:49

caught you. I do want to say this

40:51

though. Hey, at least

40:53

it was the burpa of fart. Well, that's why

40:55

I'm laughing because I identify. Interesting. That same Uber

40:57

driver. And

41:00

I'll tell you what, you learn a lot by talking to Uber drivers.

41:03

True. You learn way more

41:05

than you would from some political analyst

41:07

on TV. Those people

41:09

are a dime a dozen on TV and they

41:12

mostly get it wrong. I reckon

41:14

the Uber drivers get it right more than those analysts

41:16

do. This one

41:18

said to me yesterday

41:21

that he reckons

41:25

MK, EFF, they're

41:27

just a different version of the ANC. They're

41:29

going to vote for the ANC anyway. What

41:31

do you mean vote with the ANC? So if for

41:34

every vote that you give to the EFF or to

41:36

MK, you're actually just giving it to the ANC. This

41:38

is what this guy said. He said

41:40

it's all the same thing. They all come

41:42

from the same crooked. Oh, you're saying

41:44

the background doesn't matter who's in... And

41:47

this is not important. It makes no

41:49

difference whether you vote

41:52

ANC, MK, EFF. All

41:54

goes in the same pool. I

41:57

don't know if I agree, but I think it's an interesting

41:59

point of view. These are chronically who's going

42:01

to create more change and then he cited

42:03

neither know like it doesn't matter who you

42:05

buy low. Then he says that all of

42:07

these people eight that those three in particular

42:10

those parties are all just looking to steal.

42:12

Mad Tracy says the if If is pushing

42:14

hard and pull my longer than pump pump

42:16

blood pumping plum full. Ah, we've entered the

42:18

crew devise a need and left wilde by

42:20

a white rabbit ears a post. Is there

42:23

a huge ah on our say next month

42:25

or the last week early this and I

42:27

know that for you See, That.

42:29

Sets as they get. Staff: yes, Engagement

42:32

with you always been a biggie. If

42:34

if support I always have Paris or

42:36

it's. A Suffering

42:38

Good Sites on T Pets.

42:40

What a Tuck poster. What's

42:43

good? For exactly

42:45

what's good you may well I

42:47

assess know the Ursa good is

42:49

Patricia de los parties. We

42:52

interviewed a guy. colds was name.

42:55

Brand. So breasts or something. Not

42:57

so long ago, he's like their.

43:00

Second, In command, And

43:02

it's called good good it have lots

43:04

my single place to another and attacks

43:06

on ah. But

43:08

that's do. And the post to say on T

43:10

Pets inside for anti pet that is a picture

43:13

Patricia did old and. Great!

43:15

Yeah, that's your, that's your angle

43:17

guys. Lovely. Independent journalists have

43:20

way more swear my opinion than any

43:22

billboard. okay of see mess and gravy.

43:24

Oh did you see there's a massive

43:26

fight on line? People were having a

43:28

go at each other saying ah the

43:30

N C just buy votes by giving

43:32

people tape see. How

43:35

they do best they are. And.

43:37

Then there was someone who said, oh well. You.

43:39

Know the agency's buying tape. See that

43:41

must be because they're racist as like

43:44

what's that second yeah in Ios a

43:46

sudden the inviting sick and yar you

43:48

know these dub black people sees it

43:50

is by them. Off with subject and

43:53

there was massive fighting on Nine. don't

43:55

ask me who was involved. I scrolled

43:57

ride by none of my business, on

43:59

by. I'm not getting a second not

44:01

getting involved in that. In.

44:04

Else says I agree. If

44:07

Zuma really wants to go zone where he would

44:09

have resigned from the agency, Noticed

44:12

when speaking make and forces changes, Nancy

44:14

and form a coalition with I don't

44:17

know. but I did have an interesting

44:19

conversation on Saturday night with Vinny Ling.

44:21

Mps are you know is a A

44:23

tech bro he lives in San Diego.

44:25

not tremendously successful guys made millions and

44:27

millions in dollars and he is still

44:30

very proudly South African. still very involved

44:32

A you may remember the any from

44:34

the south tagged him and he's been

44:36

on Nisar couple not that Elsa couple

44:38

a times. He's a great guy that

44:41

that consider him a friend. He's

44:43

super smart and am he was talking

44:45

about how much hate he was getting

44:47

for the bitcoin harvesting which happened or

44:50

having. That. Happened over the weekend.

44:52

Some people were very very upset with

44:54

him because he said he reckons Bitcoin

44:56

Max might actually go down. Who.

44:59

Sees and then people lust this sit with

45:02

him. Anyway, he has an interesting take on

45:04

the Us elections. I'm gonna get this exact

45:06

the right because he explained it in a

45:08

hurry that. Effect of

45:10

these Batting: Bobby Kennedy and is the

45:12

Third party candidates and their money. My

45:14

ankles name is Bobby Tenant Nonprofit: David

45:17

Mann Oh and you're actually related to

45:19

those can Something it's relate and system

45:21

for surprised you're still alive And so

45:23

he did. Kennedy's Do Not Have An

45:25

Easy Time. As a. What

45:28

Vinnie said. In

45:31

in very. Garbled,

45:33

Short order is that effectively,

45:35

if neither Trump know Biden

45:37

gets enough electoral college votes

45:39

in this upcoming election and

45:41

with both of them for

45:43

short, then apparently the vote

45:45

goes to the house with

45:47

her that the hustle representatives.

45:50

They. Will vote. And because they'll

45:52

never get a compromise between Biden

45:55

and Trump, their many of them

45:57

will vote for Robert Kennedy Jr.

46:00

He could find his way to the

46:03

White House more or the speaker. The

46:05

house ends up as President, which is

46:07

another interesting outcome which is possible either

46:09

way. this is some octane bit of

46:12

like how American politics works, which Vinny

46:14

because he so into the stuff and

46:16

he's so smart he looked up now

46:18

whether or not that's possible. I.

46:21

Have yet to discover for myself

46:23

some bloody interesting though out and

46:25

could lead to a very very

46:27

much unforeseen results. For a mean

46:29

it could lead see. And.

46:31

Of when in most people's minds because most people

46:33

don't think either said bf the and yeah. Well

46:36

when I say most people, I mean people not

46:39

in Marrakech. Well, we'll

46:41

see. I mean, I, I, I don't think I'm

46:43

I didn't think that. This. Race

46:45

is over. Just like I don't think all

46:47

races of everybody always says to me like

46:49

i'm some kind of sir, I have info

46:51

they don't that are what's gonna happen in

46:53

the election on like and I know I'm

46:55

interviewing as many people as I can, getting

46:57

as many views as I can. But.

47:00

I still in early onset of would

47:02

would be an interesting outcome. It's like

47:04

an accidental president majesty vote to marry

47:06

him and rainy cry that they were

47:08

equal to accidentally disappeared Ike ones like

47:10

as weird. As could be,

47:13

I think it could be very

47:15

interesting. Compromise might just make things

47:17

very exciting in. I'm in

47:19

as if it is an exciting enough. And

47:21

then I like the Lives debates. Have we ever

47:23

had one of those and past election? Yes sir

47:25

I'll Are you tell you My life debates in

47:27

South Africa? Are you talking about in America? Other

47:30

women have seen some being hosted Nothing

47:32

A was from the universities in South

47:35

Africa, south or renting a select with

47:37

the big political party gods like the

47:39

mains he does. I think it's more

47:42

like the junior councils exeter. Yeah,

47:45

I don't know. And in

47:47

a So Jp give us some detail. Or

47:51

ass. You've got a thing you want to talk to us

47:53

about. An alley? Yeah, you did

47:55

assistance. I did. I also saw this on

47:57

social media over the weekend. I'm not sure

47:59

whether. it only broke now, whether it's

48:01

an ongoing story that people are just

48:04

getting uppity about suddenly. But

48:06

the Department of Higher Education has confirmed

48:08

that Selo Makikanglube, he

48:10

has a PhD from a bogus college.

48:15

Put the picture up, James. Show

48:17

everybody there's a picture that they say

48:19

we've got here as well of him

48:21

being awarded his doctorate, I think it

48:24

is, an honorary doctorate or something. Yeah,

48:26

honorary doctorate. But it's some bogus college

48:28

and like poor old Selo, I mean

48:30

if you invite me, I'll take a

48:33

bogus doctorate from Selo, won't you? Oh wait,

48:35

are you saying he didn't know it was

48:37

a bogus one? He didn't know it was

48:39

a bogus college. I mean it's not a

48:41

bogus doctorate, it's a bogus college. They don't

48:43

have the right to give out degrees according

48:45

to the Department of Higher Education. No. So

48:48

it's actually Bladen Zimande, who's

48:50

the Minister of Higher Education. Well to my mind,

48:53

I mean he calls himself Dr. Bladen Zimande too.

48:55

Exactly. I wouldn't let him operate a mice spleen,

48:57

which means he must be a PhD doctor and

48:59

I want to know how he got that. It's

49:02

the surprise surprise, Trinity International

49:05

Bible University. Oh, that sounds

49:07

legit. But this is not the first time

49:09

they've done this, they've handed out a few. I might

49:12

already have one, I'll go and check when I get

49:14

home. Signed by God. Just go through your book of

49:17

statistics. You're signed by God. Well done, you

49:19

are now a doctor of God. But

49:22

yes, this is not a registered private

49:24

higher education institution and

49:27

people have flocked to social media

49:30

to celebrate with Mike and he's

49:32

standing there proudly with his wife.

49:34

I mean I feel for that. Poor him.

49:36

He's not the idiot in

49:38

this situation, right? He

49:41

looks like an idiot. But he should know better. I mean

49:43

wouldn't you look at that?

49:47

Do not look at gift horse in the mouth. If

49:49

someone offers you a free doctorate and

49:52

you've done nothing to earn it but they say well

49:54

it's because of your contribution to acting. I mean that happens

49:57

in countries all over the world. Legitimate

49:59

University. universities give out honorary degrees

50:01

all the time and there

50:03

are legitimate ones in this country who do that It's

50:06

not what are you gonna go and prod

50:08

around and thanks guys. Yeah, I'd really like

50:10

this But I first want to check if you're legit That's

50:13

a bit rude It's like someone gives you a

50:15

birthday present and you're like shaking the box to

50:18

see whether it breaks or how heavy it is

50:20

Yeah, I don't know. I think it's

50:22

these guys the college. What

50:24

are they called Trinity? What? biblical college

50:27

Trinity International Bible

50:30

University they've been written

50:32

to before and asked you to see

50:34

doing this because they're not registered But

50:38

he's not the only celebrity to have been honored by

50:40

them In

50:42

2021 business women and football

50:44

club owner Shawn Alright

50:49

you're good at this Was

50:56

also conferred an honorary doctorate by

50:59

the bogus institution And

51:01

you know these these come with big celebration

51:03

parties invite lots of people balloons The

51:06

shower I mean everybody's there they clap and

51:08

cheer and you invite obviously you'd invite your

51:10

family if you're gonna get it I'm pretty

51:13

even if it's an honorary one. I

51:15

think that's a It's a great

51:18

Like I think it's really nice

51:20

that we have institutions that honor people

51:23

for their contribution to society with honorary

51:25

doctorates and so on but they've got

51:27

to be legit institutions and

51:29

I I also have to be Straight

51:32

up about this like even

51:34

if you are a bogus institution You

51:37

can still give out honorary doctorates. It's not as

51:39

if you're qualifying anyone in anything. Do you know

51:41

what I mean? Yeah,

51:44

there's that I mean, I don't think I

51:46

don't think you should be using the title

51:48

doctor if you have an honorary doctor Yeah,

51:50

honorary doctorates are purely like It's

51:53

an accolade but in my mind should

51:56

it not Represent

51:58

The fact that you. Probably you know you

52:01

haven't studied for. That doctor would.

52:04

Pass. Sets that taste. Well,

52:06

you have enough experience young in whatever it

52:08

is over at what was his doctorate in

52:10

do we know? Now we don't know. I

52:13

have legal studies cited merits of the I

52:15

mean for acting separate. Okay, so sales or

52:17

annexing say that contains a lot. I mean

52:19

then it makes sense And your your point

52:21

of views right? Like Cel Mckee couldn't read

52:23

as he sees. I guess he's I guess.

52:27

He's one of South Africa's most. An.

52:30

Incredible. He's

52:33

he's he's He's a suitably successful than

52:35

and and accomplished man. He doesn't need

52:37

the doctorate but the doctor it is.

52:39

Kind of saying. well if we were

52:41

to be lectured by anyone in acting

52:43

it would be disguise. Yes, he would

52:45

make. but I still don't think. That.

52:48

Blatantly Monday gets to decide. Grimace

52:51

entire department radio know that and

52:53

the him Department of Higher Education

52:55

for a really. the guys keep

52:57

screwing up everything this bus. Academic

53:01

records Universities yeah I sit

53:03

down to make regulation their

53:05

own. Said a nice say

53:07

they don't even keep their

53:09

own Hostile: Why do I

53:11

care with a blade recognizes

53:13

sellers? A degree I'm

53:15

not interested blade and whether or not he

53:17

thinks a degrees worthwhile or not he wouldn't

53:19

know a good degree if it jumped out

53:21

of his rice krispies and bit him on

53:24

his tits this morning. So thank you blatantly

53:26

Monday. We don't need your say so I'm

53:28

gonna go with the next time I see

53:30

Cel. I'm in a say a doctor So

53:33

long since that essential like that is it

53:35

is that like is that. Right?

53:37

Is that the thing to do to give

53:39

free degrees? Just. Because people

53:41

have a didn't have feals for the long

53:43

as happens all over the world. Yeah, It's

53:46

I mean, a standard practice. Imagine someone told

53:48

you that Meryl Streep had never studied acting.

53:52

And then wouldn't you say that

53:54

sees deserve it? Have a Phd

53:56

in acting? Out of. i

53:58

wouldn't say she's deserving of I'd say

54:01

accolades in the form of recognition

54:03

on the trophy things that

54:05

they do, like the award shows. But I wouldn't

54:07

say she deserves a degree in

54:09

this or deserves to be put

54:11

on the same title as someone that studied

54:14

out the books for years, if that makes

54:16

sense. I think

54:18

this is all part of a much bigger

54:20

discussion we need to have about what degrees

54:22

actually are for. There's

54:25

a really serious conversation we need to have in

54:27

South Africa. We've been selling young

54:29

people on the idea that if you just

54:31

get that degree, you'll be able to

54:33

make a living. There are no jobs, number one.

54:37

There are no jobs. Number two. Some

54:39

degrees are useless. Yeah. Some degrees

54:41

completely. Like you could get a BA

54:43

or a b.com in certain fields and it's not

54:45

going to get you any kind of practical use

54:47

in the world. The other thing is the relevancy.

54:49

I mean, if you look at what I studied,

54:52

one of the first things I learned in

54:54

studying was a

54:57

BA communications with

54:59

integrated marketing communications journalism. All

55:01

right. I've already fallen the scary on

55:03

as you were. Anyway, we

55:06

were taught on

55:08

analog journalism. It's

55:11

not even relevant anymore. Did you

55:13

get telex press releases from Sarpa?

55:16

No, but we learned about double spacing. Did

55:21

you get SOS from World

55:23

War II women in panels?

55:26

No. The

55:28

most embarrassing thing is that we edited reel

55:30

to reel, but that you would

55:32

have done as well. No. No.

55:35

Those for people who don't know. I saw reel

55:37

to reel. What's reel to reel? Reels of tape.

55:40

Big reels of audio tape. Or like cinema tape, but it's

55:42

audio. Oh, and you'd edit that. You'd

55:45

have to find. Oh, man. You'd

55:47

have to slice little bits of content together

55:50

for your news bulletin. It's like I'm DJing,

55:52

but I'm not. Mad. But you'd have

55:54

to find the part where he says, and

55:56

you'd have to do this live radio. You'd literally cut it

55:59

with a pair of scissors. Be and. Splice

56:01

with sticky tape. And then replay it

56:03

to your ears again. I'm if we

56:05

wanted to put in sound effects. We. Had

56:07

things like. A record player would

56:09

be ready with the lions role and

56:12

then an assessor Thunder and real thrilled

56:14

would be a trademark for athletes at

56:16

all. And you'd have to run around

56:18

the studio and hit the creek and

56:21

hit the lion's roar and see this

56:23

as analog sister Sarah Sarah's though is

56:25

insane. The and also worked on know

56:27

the original patent for Edison's photographs back

56:30

in the day. I should say it's

56:32

not all that is a lab studies

56:34

as white as snow and do to

56:36

help him record deficits. Yeah. Did a

56:39

city with Centenary your point. One point is

56:41

that the you wanted to three times more

56:43

than agree. I did a hey this is

56:46

the whole point everybody. Me: I just wanted

56:48

degree and sound engineering to see ran around

56:50

the studio splicing taped together and sing line

56:52

sound of a brief a printer. We tend

56:55

to view one a Listen That's the point.

56:57

You can print a degree. And

56:59

you can say you habits and people in

57:01

this country are obsessed with degrees, but they

57:04

don't help you. if they don't get you

57:06

a job or they don't have any practical

57:08

use, you could be. The. Smartest

57:10

person in applied mathematics you could

57:12

be. You may have no degree

57:14

at all, you may be self

57:17

taught. You may sit at home

57:19

and souls serums and and and

57:21

and. Complex. To telus

57:23

and all kinds of interesting stuff and

57:25

nobody cares. Reality as you have doesn't

57:27

practice is used for the stuff while

57:29

we started to do is value that

57:31

piece of paper. More. Than the

57:33

people who are studying it's and more

57:36

than the people who are lecturing and

57:38

it and more than the use that

57:40

it has the practical application in the

57:42

world and in the minute that becomes

57:44

dissociated the degree as worthless. Yes, Trust

57:46

me. in this country, we're dealing with

57:48

a lot more than bogus institutions. We're

57:50

dealing with people who actually hire. other

57:53

people based on a degree when

57:55

they have no ability to do

57:57

the job i would rather hire

57:59

somebody based on two interviews. Even

58:02

one interview, then I would based on

58:05

what their paper degree they've done. I

58:07

mean come on, turning out these students a

58:09

dime a dozen. How many more law students

58:11

do we need? Now people

58:13

are getting two degrees, okay, because

58:15

one's not good enough. Right. But because everyone's

58:18

getting a degree, now there are

58:20

people who are in a position

58:22

to getting two degrees. And still what I'm

58:24

seeing, all that this is prepping you for

58:27

is hard work, working long hours,

58:32

dedication, commitment, seeing a project to

58:34

the end. Is it giving you insight

58:37

and knowledge into the field that you're

58:39

going into? No, not

58:42

usually. We're going to take a break, but

58:44

this I think we've really hit on a nerve

58:46

because there are parents in South Africa who are

58:48

putting their entire life on the line. There are

58:51

moms who are domestic workers who are trying

58:53

to put their kids through varsity because they want

58:55

that child of theirs. Sometimes only one kid in

58:57

each family who gets to do this to

59:00

end up with the degree. And

59:03

you've got to ask yourself whether it's worth

59:05

it or not. Obviously any education is better

59:07

than no education, but when

59:09

the Department of Basic in South Africa

59:11

and higher education, both of which are

59:13

basic if you ask me, start

59:16

telling people that they are the ones,

59:18

the arbiter, the final decider between what's

59:20

good and what isn't and what's quality

59:22

and what isn't. And both those

59:24

departments are run by people who I wouldn't want

59:26

to manage. My shopping list

59:28

for Thursday, you've got to

59:31

ask yourself where the real value is. What

59:33

is the store of value? Is

59:35

it someone's aptitude? Is it

59:38

someone's desire to learn?

59:40

Is it someone's willingness to work hard? I

59:42

mean those things matter far more than a

59:45

degree should. Anyway, we'll end on that note.

59:47

We'll be back in just a minute. We're

59:49

taking a break. The Real Network, good

59:51

morning. We're live.