Streamer and essayist, @TheymerSophie returns for a second episode of the GenderGP Podcast in which they talk to Dr Helen and Marianne about what it really means to be non-binary. Together they discuss the idea that there is so much more to gender than just man and woman. They also explore how we, as a society can adapt to make it easier as more people come out, through our use of language and our understanding.

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 The GenderGP PodcastExploring the binary with @Theymer SophieHello, this is Dr Helen Webberley. Welcome to our GenderGP Podcast, where we will be discussing some of the issues affecting the trans and non-binary community in the world today, together with my co-host Marianne Oakes, a trans woman herself, and our head of therapy.

Dr Helen Webberley:Marianne and I are with Sophie here today. Sophie is the nonbinary games player. If I can introduce them as that. And when we were doing, Sophie, when we were doing that weekend of the fundraiser, I blundered several times in my pronouns, in my name. And then there was a member of the GenderGP team who joined, I blended with their pronouns and I'm just like, how can I do this publicly live on stream that's trying to help trans youth? And so I said, Sophie, please come and kind of teach me more about what it means to be nonbinary. And Marianne you're with me as well as always. And, you know, I've heard you say in the past and indeed to Sophie that you, you feel that your gender is more binary. Even though it's the opposite end of the one that everyone thought when you were born. So really, I'm really interested to learn today. And if you don't mind Sophie, just chuck some challenging questions towards you that we get asked all the time, but I don't know the answers to, because I don't, I don't understand it fully enough. So if that's okay, if that's okay,

TheymerSophie:If it's okay, I'd just like to jump in and say that what you're referring to on the stream. I just want to open out with something that I think is really important. And it's something that Marianne said in our last discussion, which was that people are very offended by being told they've done something. And in many cases that's a lot more offended than anyone is by the thing that was done. The thing that you're describing there, you know, you used the wrong pronouns for a member of staff on the stream, and they said, oh, it's this one. And you said, oh, sorry. And we just carried on. And that's really the normal situation. I just want to, the strongest possible thing I can say, like to open out is that for anyone who's listening, who maybe you don't know trans people in your real life, like maybe you, maybe you just know one or a couple, you know it's, it's not a big deal. It's not, it's not a big deal. People, people just don't want to be, you know, aggressively harassed. People that want to,