On the Gist, Mike checks in with this Lawfare piece, and the U.S. Elections Project.In the interview, Mike talks with Brian Rosenwald, a media historian and fellow at the University of Pennsylvania, about how election night might play out. They discuss the idea of a red mirage, how Republican governors can bring order to things, and how far-right talk radio is going to digest the results. Rosenwald is the author of Talk Radio’s America: How an Industry Took Over a Political Party That Took Over the United States.In the spiel, Trump’s bad surrogates.Email us at [email protected] production by Daniel Schroeder and Margaret Kelley.Slate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free podcast feeds. Sign up now.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices