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Best of the Program |  Guests: Michael Shellenberger & Mary Margaret Olohan | 5/8/24

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missing tape.

4:10

The bench at the command factor is on. Alright,

4:16

so stupid. I

4:19

don't know. I think there's a

4:21

few things that should concern every single

4:23

American. Take Donald Trump, take Joe

4:25

Biden out, let's just look at the system.

4:28

Whoever you're for, would you be cool

4:31

with this being done by the President

4:33

of the United States to anyone? Okay.

4:36

Okay. Last August, 2022,

4:38

Department of Justice released stunning

4:40

photograph depicting alleged contraband seized

4:42

from Donald Trump's Palm

4:44

Beach estate that day. It

4:47

showed colored sheets representing scary

4:49

classifications and their classified

4:52

levels attached to files discovered

4:55

in Trump's private office. Right?

4:58

I do remember the big story, Glenn. Was

5:01

it? Yeah. I remember the pictures.

5:03

They were everywhere. Okay.

5:05

So, at the time,

5:07

one ex-CIA officer told ABC News

5:09

the cover sheets indicated the highest

5:12

levels of secrecy and in the

5:14

wrong hands, they could have resulted

5:16

in murder. I

5:19

remember this. The case was Donald

5:21

Trump's so egregious in this particular matter.

5:23

He didn't care about the security of

5:25

the nation. He didn't care about our

5:27

nuclear secrets. He just took a bunch

5:29

of stuff labeled top secret and brought

5:31

it to his house and put it

5:33

in his shower. Yeah. Remember

5:36

that? That was terrible. Why would he do such a thing?

5:39

13 boxes or containers contain

5:41

documents with classification markers and

5:44

in all, over 100 unique documents

5:46

with classification markings were seized.

5:51

Okay. In the beginning, certain

5:53

of the documents had colored

5:55

cover sheets indicating their classification

5:58

status. Okay. Joe Jay's

6:00

clever wordsmithing, however, did not

6:02

accurately describe the origin of

6:04

the cover sheets. In

6:07

what must be considered not only

6:09

an act of doctoring evidence, but

6:11

willfully misleading the American people into

6:13

believing the former president is a

6:15

criminal and a threat to national

6:17

security, agents involved in

6:19

the raid attached the cover

6:22

sheets to at least seven

6:24

files to stage that photo.

6:28

Here's what they did. Incredible. Classified

6:30

cover sheets were not recovered

6:32

in the container, contrary

6:35

to what the FBI originally

6:37

said. In fact, after

6:40

being busted recently by defense attorneys for

6:42

mishandling evidence in the case, Rhett had

6:44

to fess up about how the cover

6:46

sheets actually ended up on the documents.

6:49

The new version of the story, where

6:52

he admits kind of a critical detail that

6:54

he failed to disclose. If

6:57

the investigation team found a

6:59

document with classification markings, it

7:01

removed the document, segregated

7:03

it, and replaced it with

7:06

a placeholder sheet. The

7:08

investigative team used classified cover

7:10

sheets for that purpose. But

7:13

before the official cover sheets were used

7:15

as a placeholder, agents apparently used them

7:18

as props. FBI agents took

7:20

it upon themselves to paperclip the

7:22

sheets to the documents, something evident

7:26

given the uniform nature of how each cover sheet

7:28

is clipped to a file in the photo. They

7:30

laid them out on the floor and then snapped

7:32

a picture of it. This

7:35

is never done. You

7:40

don't think? No, no, this is

7:42

never done. Now, the

7:45

federal judge that is looking at

7:47

this case, which is now in

7:49

court, they have

7:51

postponed the document trial because

7:53

they've said there are too

7:55

many things here that

7:58

don't add up. things

8:00

the FBI did that they

8:02

never did nor should they

8:04

have ever thought of doing. So

8:08

there's too many irregularities, whether this thing

8:10

even goes through or not. But

8:13

here's the point. If

8:16

I said to a Democrat,

8:20

how would you feel if Donald Trump, when

8:22

he was in office, wanted

8:24

to get Joe Biden so badly

8:27

that he went into the house and he had

8:29

the FBI arrange a

8:31

photo session and

8:34

change documents and made them

8:37

look much scarier than they

8:39

were, basically planting

8:41

evidence that was not there.

8:43

They came in with that

8:45

evidence. Would

8:47

you be okay with that? Planting

8:50

evidence? Yeah. No. No.

8:54

But he did. I mean,

8:56

certainly to manipulate public opinion, they

8:58

walked in with the things they

9:01

photographed that said were in

9:03

Donald Trump's home. They were

9:05

not marked that way. He did not have

9:08

those covers. That's incredible. I

9:10

mean, I definitely thought my impression when seeing

9:12

that photo was that they pulled

9:14

out was that that's what they

9:16

pulled out. And so it was basically it

9:18

made it more egregious for Trump. He

9:22

saw that it said top secret all over

9:24

it and still took it. And

9:26

if you don't know anything about this, you look at that

9:28

and you say, well, he should have known. I mean, it

9:30

says top secret all over the place. But

9:32

it didn't say top secret all over the place.

9:36

They added that later for these photos is what

9:38

we're learning. Yes. That's incredible. That

9:41

is at best propaganda.

9:44

At best propaganda.

9:47

Would you be happy as a Democrat

9:49

if Donald Trump was engaged in that

9:51

sort of at best propaganda

9:56

to sway people his way? no.

10:01

I would say no. I

10:03

say no now. Why aren't you saying no? Here's

10:10

the next one. Do

10:12

you remember the name Robert Malley? Robert

10:15

Malley was the

10:18

subject of some controversy and some

10:20

scrutiny last year because

10:23

he is our envoy to

10:27

Iran and

10:30

all of a sudden we were going to Iran and then all

10:32

of a sudden the envoy was like, I

10:34

can't go. Why? Well,

10:36

he's taking some time off. Why?

10:38

Well, he just is. Why?

10:42

Well, we're not sure. What do you mean you're not

10:44

sure? Well, we can't tell you. What

10:47

the hell was going on with that? Well,

10:50

we just found out. Now this

10:52

on the heels of

10:54

what I just talked to

10:57

you about with Donald Trump.

10:59

He lost his top secret

11:02

classification and

11:04

when they finally came out with that,

11:06

why? Well, he just did. Why? He

11:08

just did. Specifically

11:11

now, and this did not come

11:13

from the Biden administration. This has

11:16

come from whistle blowers. We believe he was

11:20

suspended because

11:23

he allegedly transferred classified

11:25

documents to his personal

11:27

email account, downloaded

11:29

the documents to his personal

11:31

cell phone and

11:33

somebody received them, but

11:35

we don't know who yet. It's

11:39

unclear whom he intended to provide

11:41

these documents, but it is believed

11:43

that a hostile cyber actor was

11:45

able to gain access to his

11:48

email and his phone and obtain

11:50

downloaded information. These were top secret.

11:53

These Allegations have a substantial

11:56

impact on our national security

11:58

and people should be. Held

12:00

accountable swiftly and strongly. But.

12:03

We're not doing anything about him. We.

12:06

Just downgraded his security

12:08

clearance. Very. Was suspended for a

12:10

while. Or you

12:12

are you Kidding me? This. Guy

12:14

is a spy. For

12:17

the radiance. You're.

12:19

Trying Donald Trump. And.

12:22

You are using propaganda techniques to

12:24

make it Does hype it up.

12:28

And. This guy. You won't even tell

12:30

the American people. What

12:32

he did. How

12:34

we did it. We have to find

12:37

out through whistle blowers and nothing is

12:39

happening to him. Honest Question: Anyone who

12:41

might be no have a passive against

12:44

Donald Trump? Which one are you more

12:46

concerned about? Someone who's doing

12:48

this with Iran. Or.

12:51

Classified documents being in a private

12:53

home of the former President of

12:55

the United States say. Done

12:57

from how I don't fit a Daimler

12:59

know. asked to be insane for that,

13:01

correct? And. We keep

13:03

letting these people go. We.

13:06

Keep letting them go.

13:10

Try this on for size. The.

13:13

Republican governors of Texas

13:15

and Florida has penned

13:17

letters. Condemning a

13:19

proper a proposal that would

13:21

effectively allow the democratic administration

13:24

or any president to wrest

13:26

control of the national guard

13:29

units away from their states.

13:31

With. Out governors possess

13:34

a permissive. This.

13:37

Is the Us Air Force

13:39

legislative proposal for a D.

13:42

It's not just. Rhonda

13:44

Santas and Greg Abbott against

13:46

this forty. Eight. Governors,

13:49

Are against This. Joe.

13:52

Biden once it. Why?

13:56

The. national guard ten not be

13:58

called away from their homes

14:00

state without the permission of

14:03

the governor. Now let's

14:05

just say you are

14:08

on the left and you have always argued

14:10

a well regulated militia.

14:12

That means the National Guard.

14:17

Okay then that

14:19

makes this even stronger. And

14:23

that's the well regulated

14:25

militia for each state.

14:28

The federal government cannot take

14:31

it from the governors

14:33

or the state because

14:36

it is their last defense. And

14:40

what states do you think he'd take those from? I'm

14:44

guessing Texas and Florida. And

14:48

they'd be off fighting some war in

14:50

God knows where. And

14:52

Texas and Florida wouldn't have access

14:55

to their home state defense. Do

14:59

you want, rip up

15:01

Democrats, do you want a

15:03

Donald Trump to have the power

15:06

to take your National Guard

15:08

away from you? On

15:12

his whim. Of

15:17

course you answer no. And

15:19

I answer no as well. Why

15:23

am I saying no now would

15:25

say no under Trump but

15:28

you don't seem to care when it's

15:31

Biden. Who's really

15:33

protecting democracy and the republic?

15:38

Here's another one. Biden

15:41

administration hid

15:44

the pause in arms sales to

15:46

Israel from Congress. Wait,

15:50

the Javelin missiles going to

15:52

Ukraine. Donald Trump was,

15:55

paused those, they say only

15:58

for his personal. or

16:00

political enrichment. He was going to be

16:02

able to get dirt on Joe Biden

16:04

and that can't ever happen. Okay

16:08

well we all know there's corruption

16:10

over there but why worry about

16:12

that then or now? We'll just

16:14

keep sending hundreds of billions of

16:16

dollars over to Ukraine. This

16:19

time with the

16:21

American people are for the

16:23

arms sales. When Congress passed

16:25

the sales, President

16:29

Biden secretly stops

16:32

the arms sales to Israel even

16:34

though it was passed by Congress

16:36

approved by the people as much

16:38

as you can possibly approve anything

16:40

anymore. Why

16:44

isn't he... oh well it that because he

16:46

really believes this. Oh and Trump didn't. You

16:50

can read the hearts of men. Hmm

16:53

and you don't think this has anything to do with

16:55

the election? You don't think that

16:58

Mr. flip-flop on Israel I love him I hate him I

17:00

love him I hate him I love him I hate him.

17:02

Hey what are the what are the Muslims

17:05

saying in Dearborn Michigan? Yeah that's right I

17:07

remember now I hate him. That's

17:11

not a political move. Why

17:15

am I against somebody

17:18

doing political moves unless

17:21

it is because

17:24

it is not in national

17:26

the national interest. If

17:28

it is in the national interest we

17:32

should have a conversation about it. Wait

17:34

the president did something why

17:36

did he do it? Can he do that?

17:41

This one? Pure

17:44

political. Pure

17:46

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17:51

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listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

19:20

Mary Margaret Olahan

19:23

is from the Daily Signal and she

19:25

is the author of D-Trans. Welcome

19:38

to the program. I'm not drunk. I swear to

19:40

you Mary. Good

19:42

morning and thanks for having me. It's so great to be

19:44

here. So why don't we hear

19:46

about all of the transitioners and

19:48

their happy endings? We

19:51

don't hear about them because the

19:53

ones that go through transition or

19:56

this attempted transition right because we know

19:58

it doesn't actually work. Many of

20:00

them are incredibly sad and suffering mentally and

20:02

physically, but they can't really go back to

20:04

the doctors that did this to them and

20:07

say, hey, I regretted this because it's a

20:09

little bit like going back to an abuser

20:11

and saying, hey, I didn't really like that

20:13

you abused me, so can you do something

20:16

about this or can we talk about this?

20:18

It's just not a normal situation. And

20:21

so what we're finding is you

20:23

don't even have good statistics on

20:25

how many people are detransitioning because

20:27

it's so unlikely that they head

20:29

back to their doctors and tell them

20:31

that they're doing it. So for

20:34

many of these people, they're kind of just

20:36

like fading into the background of our culture.

20:38

These people who have been really dramatically treated

20:40

and told that all of these things would

20:43

make them happy and would improve their lives

20:45

and it was a complete lie. Tell

20:48

me about some of the parents.

20:50

Tell me about the mom in the last chapter

20:52

of your book, Abby Martinez. Yeah,

20:56

this story is incredibly sad and I

20:58

should say that the rest of the

21:00

book is about the stories of detransitioners.

21:02

So people who tried to transition and

21:04

realize this is impossible and now they're

21:06

living happier lives

21:08

that are focused on life

21:10

after detransition and spreading word about

21:13

what the realities are. But the

21:15

last chapter of my book is

21:17

about Abby Martinez and her daughter,

21:19

Yaeli, because I think it's important

21:21

that people understand what the alternative

21:23

is to that happier ending. Abby

21:26

is a mother of a young girl,

21:28

Yaeli, who at the age of

21:31

19, knelt on the train tracks, put her

21:33

arms above her head and watched as the

21:35

train hurled towards her and smashed her body

21:37

to bits. She was so,

21:40

there were so many pieces of her everywhere

21:42

that they could barely identify her when they

21:44

asked her mom to come and make sure

21:46

it was her. It was absolutely horrific. Yaeli,

21:49

this daughter, when she

21:51

was in high school, she made friends with a

21:54

girl at school who identified as a boy in the

21:57

school and that girl encouraged Yaeli

21:59

to... different gender identity, the

22:01

school started socially transitioning her, calling

22:04

her by a boy name, Andrew,

22:07

using male pronouns for her, and

22:09

they weren't telling her mother any of this.

22:12

So when Abby, who I spoke with for

22:14

my book, Abby figured out what was going

22:16

on and understandably was not on board with

22:18

it. The school ultimately

22:21

worked with the state and the

22:23

state ultimately took Yaeli away from

22:25

her family and ultimately

22:27

put her on hormones and

22:29

was facilitating her gender transition

22:32

when she committed suicide. And

22:34

I spoke with Abby about this at

22:37

length, you know, she was very

22:39

emotional with me on the phone.

22:41

It made me very emotional just

22:43

to hear the suffering that this

22:45

mother has gone through and she

22:47

even told me that in the

22:49

aftermath of Yaeli's death, these LGBTQ

22:51

advocates have fundraised off her death

22:53

to say, look what happened to

22:55

this poor trans boy, you should

22:57

give us money to help trans

23:00

youth to not commit suicide. So

23:02

just imagine that from the mother's

23:04

perspective too, that they're weaponizing her

23:06

daughter's death as an

23:08

example of why you should be facilitating children's

23:11

gender transitions. So

23:13

it's an incredibly sad story but

23:15

Abby wants people to know, here's

23:18

my story, here's my experience, this

23:20

is how the state took my

23:22

daughter from me. Be warned, like

23:24

this is happening and it's not

23:26

casual, it's not just something

23:29

that our society is growing

23:31

into or, you

23:33

know, it's not normal, this can happen.

23:36

And for all those people

23:39

who are shouting about how trans youth are

23:41

at risk, they are at risk because you're

23:43

putting them on hormones and putting them through

23:45

really traumatic surgeries that are going to impact

23:48

them for the rest of their lives. The

23:50

parent, I feel so bad for the parents because

23:53

this is a whole new world

23:57

for people and you know

23:59

if you trust your doctors and all

24:01

of the doctors are saying the

24:03

same thing. You know,

24:05

you don't know what to do. And then you have

24:08

the pressure of the state taking your child away. And

24:10

you're like, well, that's worse. I don't know. Um,

24:13

when the kids who want to

24:15

detransition, I mean, they've, they've destroyed

24:19

their bodies, not

24:21

them, but the surgeons have destroyed their

24:23

bodies. They're most likely not

24:25

going to have children. They probably are not

24:28

going to have any kind of relations with

24:30

another, uh, individual

24:32

because you know, it, it, it's

24:36

different to say the least. Yes.

24:40

Their bodies are very permanently impacted in

24:42

many ways, for example. And thank God

24:44

we have these lawsuits that have been

24:47

coming out, the detransitioners suing their medical

24:49

providers that really give a good glimpse

24:51

into exactly who did this

24:53

to them and, and what the effects

24:56

are. Chloe Cole, for example, is one

24:58

of the most famously transitioners and Chloe's

25:00

lawsuit describes how she has these weird

25:02

aches and pains in her back now

25:04

because the bone, her bone density changed.

25:07

Uh, and you know, as a, as a girl, her

25:10

body wasn't prepared for the testosterone

25:12

to change her bone density and

25:14

her muscle structure. And, um,

25:16

you know, all these young people are

25:19

worried that have been on hormones that

25:21

is affecting their fertility, um, their

25:23

ability to experience, um, sexual

25:25

pleasure, just so many different

25:27

aspects of, of how it's

25:29

affecting their lives going forward.

25:32

And I do think it's important, like you were

25:34

saying, to point to the parents and all of this,

25:36

I think they get a lot of modern parents are,

25:38

are really in a tight spot with the

25:41

social, social, uh, acceptance of

25:44

smartphones and iPhones and

25:46

the push of, of activism on their

25:49

kids. But your average secular family, that's

25:51

not really practicing a religion. And it's

25:54

just kind of going with the flow. When you

25:56

encounter a gender ideology, it's, it's talked to

25:58

you as a kind of. You

26:01

know, you're taught that it's a good thing.

26:03

You're taught that you're loving and affirming. And

26:05

so when your child is saying, I want to get

26:07

a double mastectomy, and you're thinking, my

26:09

gut's telling me that's insane and my child's

26:12

breast should not be removed, but the doctors

26:14

are saying, would you rather have a dead

26:16

daughter or a living son? That's

26:19

a crossroads. And that's very scary. And

26:21

most parents love their kids. And so

26:23

when they're presented with these huge

26:26

dilemmas, I don't blame them

26:29

for being confused. And the ones who go

26:31

with their gut, thank God, but the

26:33

ones who don't, they have to suffer

26:35

and they have to live with those consequences

26:37

and watch their kids grow and experience

26:41

intense suffering both mentally and physically.

26:44

Do we have any idea, any

26:46

stats on how many regret

26:50

this move after? We

26:54

have some. Lisa Litman

26:56

is a researcher who has done some amazing work

26:58

on this. She found that only

27:01

24% of

27:03

the group of detransitioners

27:06

who have decided that

27:08

they detransitioned or ended this transition

27:11

process, only 24% of them actually

27:13

went back to their doctors and

27:15

said, I regretted this

27:17

and I'm all done. So

27:20

that's a very, very low number of

27:22

people who are going back to their

27:25

doctors. So official statistics aren't really going

27:27

to reflect the numbers properly because they're

27:30

only reflecting the people who come

27:32

back. And

27:34

so in... You would think this would be an

27:36

important thing that researchers

27:38

would want to know. In

27:42

any other case, you

27:44

would be going back and following up

27:46

with those patients across the

27:48

board. No matter whose doctor it was,

27:50

you would go across the board to

27:52

everybody who has had that procedure done,

27:55

no matter what it was, and

27:57

ask them a year later and

27:59

five years later. This is something brand

28:01

new. Why is no one interested in

28:04

finding this out? Yeah,

28:07

exactly. And Glenn, that's something that I

28:09

think about all the time. There are no

28:11

doctors who are willing to help the

28:13

detransitioners with their medical complications

28:15

as they're detransitioning. And

28:18

just from a purely attention

28:20

seeking, mercenary standpoint, why

28:22

isn't anyone willing to kind of stick their neck out here?

28:24

But you would think that there should be doctors who are

28:26

brave enough to say, I want to be

28:28

the one that's the expert in this field. I want

28:31

to be the one, the doctor that helps detransitioners. Even

28:33

if you're doing it from an attention seeking

28:35

standpoint, seems like there's a really easy gap

28:38

to fill here. But where are

28:41

our medical professionals who genuinely care

28:43

about these kids? And not just

28:45

kids, adults too. They're trapped by

28:47

the medical professionals. Yeah. Who could

28:49

look at this situation and say,

28:51

well, we've been replacing science with gender

28:53

ideology and people are suffering the consequences

28:55

of it. We need medical professionals who

28:57

are willing to stand up and say,

28:59

I can help you after you've been

29:01

treated so badly by our medical system.

29:03

But it just seems like there really

29:05

isn't anyone doing that right now. They're going

29:08

to lose their license. If

29:10

they do that, they'll lose their license. Right.

29:14

And I think that's something very

29:16

scary that I encountered as I

29:18

was interviewing these detransitioners. One girl,

29:21

Helena told me when she got

29:23

testosterone, she got it from Planned Parenthood, of course, very

29:26

easy process. She got it the same afternoon she went in

29:28

and filled out the form. She started

29:30

taking it. Yeah. I can't even

29:32

get it. I'm a guy and I can't even get

29:34

it on the same day I'd walk into a doctor's

29:36

office. Maybe you should try it

29:38

Planned Parenthood. Yeah.

29:41

Maybe. And so she gets on,

29:43

starts taking testosterone. It's really impacting

29:45

her mentally and physically. And it

29:47

gets to the point where it's compounding her

29:49

mental health problems. And she just,

29:51

she can't handle it. She's suffering so much.

29:54

And so she checks herself into a

29:56

hospital in Chicago asking them, help me.

29:58

I am. falling apart.

30:01

And these doctors at the hospital, instead

30:03

of saying, okay, let's look at her

30:05

biology, she's a girl, she's taking this,

30:07

it's probably hurting her, they asked

30:09

her what her gender was, she tells them she's a

30:11

guy. And so in all her

30:13

medical forms, they call her a guy, and

30:15

they treat her as a guy,

30:17

and then they medically pretend she's

30:19

a guy who's coming in with

30:22

no other medicine in

30:24

her that needs help for mental health

30:26

issues. So they completely ignored the

30:28

fact that she actually was taking testosterone and that

30:31

was the source of her trouble, and

30:33

pretended she was just a guy that needed help with

30:35

mental health issues. So that

30:37

just blew my mind because

30:39

it's a very simple, you

30:42

know, beginning trajectory transition incident,

30:44

but she couldn't even get basic care

30:46

from the hospital in this one situation.

30:50

And so obviously her mental health struggles

30:52

compounded because now they got her on

30:54

all this medication. And

30:56

she ultimately decided to get off testosterone

30:58

because it was hurting her so much.

31:01

And she figured out what the doctors

31:03

apparently couldn't, that it was a source

31:05

of many of her problems. But

31:07

just that story, I think is a really

31:09

good example of how our medical professionals are

31:11

just completely caving on

31:14

this gender ideology and how little

31:16

the interest they seem to have in facts

31:18

and science anymore. And it

31:20

does make you wonder, Glenn, whether

31:22

this is complete cowardice or whether we're

31:24

just filling our medical industry with

31:27

less and less intelligent people. We're

31:31

repeating the mistakes we made in the 1930s

31:34

with progressives and people,

31:37

doctors who just think that they're God. Mary

31:40

Margaret, thank you so much. Really appreciate it.

31:43

Thank you. Thank you

31:45

so much. You bet. That's Mary

31:47

Margaret Ollahan and she

31:49

is the author of D-trans.

31:52

We're going to be doing a special on

31:54

this tonight. I want you to watch

31:57

it at night. It's so important for

31:59

every parent because nobody

32:01

is giving you this information and we're going

32:03

to show you the real

32:06

results of this. It is terrifying. You

32:08

will watch tonight and go, how is

32:11

that doctor not in jail? Tonight,

32:15

9 o'clock only on Blaze TV. You're

32:21

listening to the Best of the Blind American Program.

32:26

Michael Schellenberg, author of

32:28

San Francisco and

32:30

the founder of Public on Substack

32:33

and somebody who will be remembered in

32:36

history as somebody who

32:38

was a friend of Freedom and the

32:40

Republic. Michael Schellenberg, welcome to the

32:42

program. Hey, thanks for having me, Glenn. You

32:44

bet. Thank you so much for

32:46

taking some time. You are the guy who first

32:49

dumped this out to the

32:52

world and it seems

32:54

like the media just yawned at

32:56

it. Tell me what WPATH

32:58

is and why it's so critical

33:00

people understand it. Sure. So

33:04

WPATH is an acronym that stands

33:06

for World Professional Association for Transgender

33:08

Health and it is important

33:11

because it's the organization that

33:13

all of the big medical

33:15

organizations, including the American Medical

33:17

Association, the AMA, the American

33:20

Psychiatric Association, the APA, the

33:22

American Academy of Pediatrics, the Endocrine

33:24

Society, all of these guys rely

33:26

on this group to

33:29

decide how to treat kids that think

33:31

they're the opposite sex or have

33:33

what's called gender identity

33:35

disorder or gender dysphoria,

33:37

confusion about their sex.

33:42

And what we were given a set

33:45

of the internal discussion files

33:47

by this organization and it

33:49

was shocking. We

33:52

spent about eight months really

33:55

writing a very serious report. I think

33:58

it's about 140 pages. entirely

34:00

of both internal documents, about 70

34:02

pages of those are the internal

34:04

files from this group. And

34:06

then we have a report that explains

34:09

all of it because you're dealing with

34:11

supposedly medical issues. But

34:13

look, what can I say? This is one

34:16

of the biggest medical scandals in human history.

34:18

That's a strong claim, but I think anybody

34:20

who reads them will agree that this is

34:22

the case. We're talking about stopping

34:25

the normal development of children through

34:27

puberty, which means these children end

34:30

up sterilized in many cases. They

34:32

end up not able

34:34

to have full sexual function,

34:37

which is obviously a very important

34:39

thing and very important to people being

34:41

happy and living full romantic lives. And

34:45

then what we discovered is that these are things,

34:47

you know, occurring with kids as young as 10

34:49

years old. There's kids

34:51

that are 13 year olds with

34:54

developmental disorders. We see homeless people

34:56

with schizophrenia discussed as

34:58

getting genital surgery. It's

35:00

just shocking to say. We see

35:03

and we see that neither the children

35:05

nor the parents understand what's going to

35:08

happen to them, meaning they do not

35:10

understand that they are likely to be

35:12

sterilized and to lose

35:14

sexual function. They have no

35:17

conception of it. And so, you know, everybody's

35:19

heard of do no harm. That's the Hippocratic

35:21

oath. Yeah. People

35:23

need to know that there's

35:25

another part of that, which

35:27

is called informed consent. That's

35:29

a technical phrase, informed consent,

35:33

but that's the law. You're not allowed

35:35

to experiment on people who do not

35:37

understand what you're doing to them. And

35:39

yet that is precisely what is happening

35:41

in the United States of America right

35:43

now, thanks to the complicity.

35:46

And you've never heard of WPATH, but you've

35:48

heard of AMA, you've heard of the American

35:50

Academy of Pediatrics, you've heard of the American

35:53

psychiatric. So these organizations have blood on their

35:55

hands and they're going to

35:57

be held accountable. There are lawsuits.

36:00

But these things are ongoing, Glenn, and

36:02

it's truly a national scandal of something

36:04

that really should shock the

36:06

conscience of our country. Michael,

36:09

I look at this and I think this is

36:11

the Tuskegee experiments.

36:14

This is the horrible

36:16

progressive sterilization eugenics

36:18

program. This is

36:20

every horrible medical

36:22

thing our country has ever

36:24

done, and then we're shamed

36:27

by it and we don't talk about

36:29

it. What's happening right now? Would

36:31

you agree with that? A

36:34

hundred percent. It's completely shocking. And

36:36

yes, it's definitely up there with

36:38

the history of sterilizing poor people,

36:40

racial minorities.

36:45

It's up there with the Tuskegee

36:47

experiments on black Americans. It's

36:50

up there with the opioid crisis, except

36:53

for in some ways it's

36:55

worse. I

36:58

think in some ways it's worse than all of those, which has led

37:00

some people to say that it

37:02

is the worst medical scandal in human history.

37:05

The United States, the news media

37:08

should be ashamed of themselves. They

37:10

are, if I were to say

37:12

who's to blame, you'd say

37:14

doctors, the news

37:16

media, the mainstream news media,

37:21

Hollywood for promoting this. But

37:25

I would say this is the thing

37:27

that should give people hope, that

37:30

things are changing in

37:32

Europe. And so we actually did have the

37:34

British media, the Times of

37:36

London, the Telegraph of London, the Daily

37:39

Mail, the Guardian. The

37:41

Guardian published its sister newspaper, The

37:43

Observer, but they're both very left-wing

37:45

magazines, and The

37:47

Economist, which everybody knows of. So

37:50

they all have now written about

37:52

this, but they've put American media

37:54

to shame. And

37:56

so truly this has to stop children, adolescents, and

37:58

the public. vulnerable adults

38:00

should not... Puberty has to be

38:03

viewed as a human right. Yes.

38:05

It's shocking that it must be

38:07

said, but puberty is a human

38:09

right. You must not deprive that

38:11

of any child. And... Michael,

38:14

there's a couple of things that

38:17

I can't figure out. First

38:19

of all, why... You know,

38:21

you'll have a hard time getting your

38:23

insurance company to cover something that you're

38:25

like, my child needs

38:28

this medication and they won't do

38:30

it. And yet

38:32

with this, the medical

38:34

insurance companies, everybody is just, yo,

38:36

go, go, go, go. Not a

38:38

problem. Green light immediately. They're

38:40

not asked for anything and

38:43

they'll green light it. The second thing is,

38:46

why are we ignoring this?

38:48

Why in America are

38:50

we just staying the course? I

38:55

think it's these institutions. They've

38:57

betrayed their mission and

38:59

their purpose. These

39:02

medical associations, their mission is the Hippocratic

39:04

Oath to do no harm and to

39:07

get informed consent as part of that.

39:10

So they betrayed their mission. The

39:12

news media have betrayed their mission.

39:14

They're now spreading propaganda and ignorance.

39:16

So when you talk... When I talk to

39:19

my very progressive family and friends, they

39:21

don't believe this is happening. They

39:24

literally... When I tell them, they deny that.

39:26

They suggest that I'm making it up. I

39:29

mean, they did, I should say. Now that reports out,

39:31

I think people are having a second look. So

39:34

what you've seen... We are in the

39:37

midst of a... This is the name of

39:39

my next book, Glenn, Pathocracy. We

39:42

are dealing with pathocratic

39:44

institutions, meaning sick institutions

39:47

run by, in many cases,

39:50

deranged people,

39:52

cowards, psychopaths

39:54

and narcissists. So

39:58

that's what's... They've taken over... the critical

40:00

institutions of society. That's the only way

40:03

that you could get these grotesque

40:06

medical mistreatment and experimentation on children,

40:09

adolescents, and vulnerable adults. That's the

40:11

only way it could have occurred.

40:16

Michael, thank you so much for

40:18

everything that you do. I know that

40:20

you're busy writing and doing reporting

40:23

every day and you're spending a lot of time up

40:25

Capitol Hill. Do you see any chance

40:28

in Washington

40:30

of anything changing? Definitely

40:34

not in Washington. I mean,

40:36

I think that there's changes

40:38

coming. I think that's clear

40:40

from the polling data and not just

40:42

in the United States, but around the

40:45

world. The governments

40:48

of the world right now are really cracking down on

40:50

free speech. I'm under criminal investigation

40:52

in Brazil for

40:54

publishing entirely legal and accurate things.

40:58

The European politicians are

41:01

weaponizing their intelligence agencies to

41:04

spread disinformation about their political

41:06

enemies. I would

41:08

say that we're in a very dangerous moment

41:10

because we're in between

41:13

two different, I

41:15

think, systems or

41:18

governments. We're seeing

41:20

the discredited

41:22

regime start to

41:25

weaponize the government. We've seen them

41:27

weaponizing the government institutions in order

41:29

to maintain political power and

41:32

persecute its enemies, including imprisoning

41:34

them in places like Brazil, including

41:36

seeking to shut down and

41:39

censor the entire global internet

41:41

from Australia and New Zealand

41:43

and other, frankly,

41:45

irrelevant countries at a global

41:47

level. The United States, it's

41:50

the US intelligence community that

41:52

controls the Australian intelligence community,

41:54

not the other way around.

41:57

The continued weaponization of our

41:59

intelligence community, I mean, these

42:02

are, there needs to be a significant change

42:05

from the top of every nation to

42:07

get control. In this, I

42:09

say this as a lifelong liberal and

42:12

as somebody that, just from the straight,

42:14

if you want a liberal democracy rather

42:16

than a totalitarian system, we have got

42:18

to get control of our intelligence and

42:21

security agencies which are abusing their powers

42:23

in ways that we haven't seen since

42:26

the spying on Martin Luther King, you

42:29

know, since the rogue assassination

42:31

efforts since the, I mean,

42:34

this is, we're at a level of totalitarian, you

42:36

know, we're on the cusp of

42:38

a totalitarian system when it comes to free

42:40

speech. So I think we're

42:42

in a very dangerous moment and hopefully there will

42:45

be some political correction. I will tell you, as

42:47

a lifelong conservative, I couldn't be

42:50

behind you any more. You

42:54

know, real liberals, while

42:56

we may disagree on tax policies or

42:58

whatever, we should be

43:00

agreeing on the Bill of Rights and

43:03

those things are almost completely gone. And

43:06

if we lose that, we're

43:09

not a safe country

43:11

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