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You're missing, Dave. The benefit of

2:21

the Man-Back Throw Zone. So

2:23

what I am, I collect American

2:25

history and I collect it to

2:27

preserve it And I want

2:29

to tell the whole story of American history

2:33

The good and the bad But probably the

2:35

best example is we have a lot of

2:37

stuff from Patton and he was an amazing

2:39

guy but we also

2:41

have one letter from Patton where

2:44

he is a monster and I

2:46

mean a monster

2:48

no better than the Nazis and

2:53

You know we all have these conflicts

2:56

in us some bigger than other and

3:00

We wanted to make sure that we showed

3:02

both sides of Patton that we don't we

3:04

don't make anybody into a hero Without

3:07

showing this is the heroic stuff they

3:09

did and this is the questionable or

3:11

really bad stuff they did Jeffrey

3:15

Epstein's black book is

3:18

up for auction Now

3:21

this is not The

3:23

book that he had when he died. This

3:25

is a book from around the year 2000

3:28

that he lost Somebody

3:31

had it they found it in the street of

3:33

New York It's

3:36

been verified that it is his handwriting and it is his

3:38

book They

3:41

picked it up and then just put it

3:43

in a box and left it in a

3:46

storage, you know unit And ever since this

3:48

Epstein thing has been going on They're

3:52

like I gotta find that book or gotta find the book. I know as but

3:54

where did I put that book? They went through their storage unit and found it Then

3:57

they brought it to Alexander are

4:00

historical auctions which is a really good

4:02

auction house. They

4:06

put it up with unredacted

4:08

names and numbers. You

4:10

can't see it. You can go and

4:13

visit the book if you're interested in buying it and

4:15

look through it. You can't take pictures of it or

4:17

anything else. But

4:19

the black book is for sale. They're saying it's going to

4:21

go between $100,000 and $200,000. My

4:27

question is,

4:30

is this

4:32

just a passing big but still

4:34

like a passing blip? I'm really

4:36

not interested in the Lindbergh

4:39

trial. Who cares?

4:41

You know what I mean? It

4:44

was a big thing at the time. Is this

4:46

a big thing just at the time? What

4:49

would change that I think is was

4:52

he or will we ever

4:54

find out he was an operative for

4:56

our government or other governments? I

5:02

don't know. That's kind of the rumor right now, right? That he

5:04

was CIA. What's

5:07

your first thought on Epstein's book, having it?

5:10

I'd love to have it just to read

5:12

the names on here. You'd have

5:14

to believe though if it was like, George

5:17

Soros, like we'd already know about it. That

5:20

page would be missing. Right, yeah, exactly.

5:23

All the S's are missing and the

5:25

G's. I

5:27

kind of think that there's maybe not going

5:29

to be a massive story in it though

5:32

it is an incredible ... Well, if we

5:34

were considering really buying it, I would

5:36

send somebody up to look through it and

5:38

tell me is there anything in it? I

5:41

mean worth, if it's like squeaky from, I

5:43

don't really care. I

5:45

would care if squeaky from had done that. That

5:47

would be crazy. Yeah, be nuts. That's

5:50

an interesting one I mean because is it

5:52

just, here's a guy who did some really

5:54

terrible thing, like Jeffrey Dahmer merchandise, you're not

5:56

buying that. Yeah, I'm not buying that. I'm

5:58

not buying Michael Jackson stuff. I don't

6:00

really. Would you buy OJ stuff? Because

6:04

that was pretty big. Yeah. Yeah,

6:06

if it was something really big. That wasn't just

6:08

a flash in the pan. It was pretty big.

6:10

I think that's an OJ Simpson baseball card. That's

6:13

all I have on the off. A baseball card?

6:15

Oh, not baseball. Wow, that's incredible. That is a

6:17

huge story. Shut up. He played

6:19

baseball. A football card. Yes. Yeah,

6:21

I mean, because I think OJ is on the level

6:24

of Lindbergh, right, historically. Yeah,

6:26

historically. Us right now, obviously, is a lot

6:28

bigger because it happened in the 90s. Right.

6:31

But, you know, in 50 years, I don't know that

6:33

it is. The only thing that would be worth in

6:35

that is somehow or another finding a way to capture

6:41

the African-American response

6:43

to OJ, setting

6:46

him free because he was

6:48

finally able to beat the

6:50

man. Right. And

6:52

by the way, jurors from the trial have said that's what

6:55

they did. Yeah. They're going to be

6:57

making things up. Right. And

6:59

so if you could capture that because

7:01

we're having the opposite right now,

7:04

you know, people not looking

7:06

at the facts of anything because they

7:08

want somebody to win one way or

7:10

another. And so that

7:13

is something to happen with jurors. And so it would

7:15

tell that story, but I don't know how to capture

7:17

that. And remember, you know, the Epstein thing is tied

7:19

into powerful people, even if you just, you know, Prince

7:21

Andrew, right? Like, I mean, there's certainly, I don't know

7:24

that he's in that book per se, but I will

7:27

say that my instinct is yes, you

7:29

should bid on it, largely because

7:31

I think one of the things you do at

7:33

the museum and as part of your mission

7:35

statement over there is to preserve

7:38

history that will be erased. And

7:41

man, the Epstein thing falls directly in that

7:43

category. Like we know about it right now,

7:47

kind of. I don't think we know the whole story. And

7:50

the powers that be will do everything they can

7:52

to make sure that goes down some memory hole

7:54

that we don't remember it like the Lydberg case,

7:56

right? They want that to go away. So actually,

7:58

I think that's a good point. preserving

8:01

some of that history I think of

8:07

course if it's there's nothing interesting and i

8:09

suppose maybe that's not it you know the

8:11

case but man i i don't

8:13

know it seems like we still don't know the story on that

8:16

one but they'll let you see the whole thing before you buy

8:18

it you can go

8:20

out right now and make an appointment and

8:23

you can go up i think about sending jason up there

8:26

and you go up and uh...

8:28

and make an appointment and seeing it see

8:30

it see what's in it uh...

8:33

you can't take a photograph of it uh...

8:35

and you know no copies of it uh...

8:38

but uh... you can come back and then he could

8:40

tell me this is what's in it this these are

8:42

the kinds of names that are in it that

8:45

he could remember you

8:48

need to send someone with a photographic memory i

8:50

know do we have a listener with a photographic

8:52

memory that would be great i will say it

8:54

seems like if they're showing it to people and

8:57

we don't have any leakages uh...

9:00

on on the actual story would just announced

9:02

it yesterday okay yeah so at

9:04

some point you think that the story would leak

9:07

out that if there was something in there and

9:09

it's early because if you are if you are

9:11

qualified to go see it you know you're you're

9:13

you're your bid your buyer and

9:16

if there's no one of the radio you don't want

9:18

anybody to know until after you have a rack right

9:21

uh... they each very in length from only a

9:23

few lines to over ten or fifteen lines or

9:25

more each each of the

9:27

entries have several more names included

9:30

additionally ninety four names bear black

9:32

hand applied check marks five

9:34

have been highlighted in yellow all

9:36

five names including that of

9:39

president donald trump interesting that that one

9:41

is out are well

9:43

recognized financial and industrial figures

9:46

the significance of the check in highlighted

9:48

names is unknown the details included in

9:51

the vast majority of the entries arm

9:53

uh... are most extensive epsi

9:55

not only includes the name address and telephone number

9:57

of his contact but in most cases also adds

10:00

other residential addresses and for

10:19

the front desk and five

10:21

apartment numbers corresponding with telephone

10:23

numbers at 301 E

10:25

66th Street. This address was

10:27

home for many young models,

10:30

girlfriends, pilots, and lawyers associated

10:32

with Jeffrey Epstein. The

10:36

book contains entries for

10:38

former Ford models, CEO

10:41

Kate Ford, as well as an entry for

10:44

Massouse, which lists 24 women's

10:46

names and numbers with pager numbers as

10:49

well. The history of this criminal

10:51

relic is fascinating. The mid-1990s musician living in

10:54

Manhattan discovered the book lying on Fifth

10:56

Avenue sidewalk in Midtown. She eventually

10:58

put it in storage was not until 2020 while

11:01

cleaning out her storage unit that she realized

11:03

it belonged to Jeffrey Epstein. She

11:05

reached out to several media outlets, not this one,

11:07

who failed to react. Assuming

11:09

that the book was

11:12

a copy, she listed

11:14

it on eBay where

11:16

it was purchased by

11:19

a graduate student

11:21

in the Northeast who has possessed it

11:23

ever since. For how much do we

11:25

know how much? No, don't know. Wow.

11:27

2004 Epstein Black book was discovered by

11:29

the FBI and used in legal proceedings

11:32

but this copy which came to light

11:34

after Epstein's death was not considered as

11:36

evidentiary importance at the time of its

11:38

discovery. According to Business Insider, the

11:40

1731 names contained in the two volumes together

11:45

do not appear

11:47

in the 2004 book. During

11:50

its six-month investigation, Business Insider journalists

11:52

had respected forensic document examiners, applied

11:55

forensics, examined the book to determine

11:57

its authenticity after a researcher... looked

12:01

at the binding and the data of

12:36

course of course donald trump allen

12:38

der schuit frederick

12:40

fakai you know that is f e

12:43

k k a i no uh...

12:46

christy hefner and edward kennedy

12:51

not very far cry french hair

12:53

stylist and entrepreneur of course well

12:56

who doesn't have a hair so french hair stylist

12:58

in their black makes a bunch of products though

13:00

it seems like a big uh... yeah i think

13:03

company making a stop it appears

13:05

so what do you want your first thought well i

13:07

don't know do we not say yes go

13:09

go look at it or you know i'm looking

13:11

at it and then and

13:14

then depending on the name significance in

13:16

history long-term what

13:19

dirt bags we had in office i

13:21

guess i

13:24

mean you're gonna find out some things about people right i

13:27

although it doesn't say what again that doesn't say

13:29

why they're in the book right i mean we

13:31

know valenters with thing like we already know that

13:34

the person who accused him came out and said

13:36

that maybe wasn't him yet because he's the

13:39

attorney right but that's not necessarily going to have

13:41

met you don't know if they give you some

13:43

major story that's gonna change history i will say

13:45

that we do we also i'm sorry we do

13:47

also know that donald trump through him

13:49

out right of my logo yet

13:52

they've been falling out long time ago because

13:54

he was i

13:56

guess trying to recruit some of the females uh...

13:59

and Trump said get out don't come back.

14:01

Yeah, no, they definitely it's the Trump thing is I

14:05

Think it's a complete disconnect to the Epstein story

14:07

from long long ago But

14:09

I will say that otherwise it would have made

14:12

political hay out of that Yeah, the Clinton one

14:14

is much more I think significant. Yeah, you know

14:16

and yeah that one is I And

14:19

the glitter flip I think the Bill

14:21

Gates one too You have to some

14:23

of his comments have been really weird

14:25

about that really weird really weird his

14:27

wife's I think Yeah, Bill Gates has

14:29

flown under the radar as one of

14:32

you know Just a you know weird quirky

14:34

guy for so long. I think he may

14:36

end up being one of the true villains

14:38

of our time Hmm. I

14:40

think that's quite a lot of people believe that Mm-hmm.

14:43

I mean the things that he

14:45

wants to do on population control.

14:47

Yeah, his is Connections there

14:49

his divorce from his wife who was like

14:52

get away from Jeffrey Epstein We know who

14:54

he is and he wouldn't get

14:56

away from Jeffrey and Epstein and they divorced

14:59

That's kind of a big deal. Mm-hmm kind

15:01

of a big deal. Yeah when he's occasionally

15:03

been pressed on that it has not gone

15:05

Well forgets it's not know what happened there,

15:07

but something weird was going on very yeah

15:09

And you know he stole all the

15:11

technology from Xerox in the first place Great

15:16

thank you so much appreciate it Pat Gray

15:18

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15:28

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15:30

came out and said don't worry about inflation?

15:32

It's transitory Yeah, and then

15:34

it suddenly totally wasn't at

15:36

all transitory remember that Yeah,

15:39

fun times fun times. I'm sure you're

15:41

aware not only is inflation still here,

15:43

but it's going to get worse and

15:46

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15:49

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15:51

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15:53

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15:57

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16:45

Vance is going to be joining us here in just a

16:48

few minutes as soon as he jumps on the phone. I

16:50

know he's got a very limited schedule but we wanted to

16:52

talk to him about what was going on with the Trump

16:54

trial. Also want to hear you know

16:57

about him possibly being vice

16:59

president. How was that? How

17:01

those conversations going? Currently tied for the second

17:03

or he's the second favorite right. You have

17:06

two people tied for first which is Doug

17:08

Bergman, Tim Scott. I don't see either of

17:10

those happening. That's just, I mean again we're just

17:12

guessing here. We don't have any inside info on his

17:14

process. I mean Doug Bergman is, come on. You can't

17:17

even, you don't even know his name. I mean yeah.

17:19

Now Bergman is real. It's turning into Bergman at any

17:21

moment but the eyebrow guy is

17:23

out. I just don't see. Yeah and

17:25

I don't think, I know we're getting reporting on it. I

17:27

just don't believe it. It's just my

17:29

own vibe. I don't know. That's not, I

17:32

don't think Tim Scott is strong enough yet.

17:35

He might be later but he's not strong

17:37

enough yet. I just don't see it. He's

17:39

not strong enough in defense. I

17:41

still think he's not going to cross those

17:43

loyalty lines that Trump likes. I don't know. I could

17:45

be wrong. I would love JD Vance to be vice

17:47

president. JD Vance is, I think he would be. I

17:50

think he's a real choice. I mean again he doesn't,

17:52

he does not check any of the intersectional identity

17:54

politics boxes but again we're told that Trump doesn't

17:56

care about that. I certainly don't care about it.

17:58

He picked my. He picked Mike Pence

18:01

last time. He picked Mike Pence last time.

18:03

But he picked Mike Pence, I think, because

18:05

of his Christian evangelical... He saw that as

18:07

a weakness. I think that's revealing. And I

18:09

think that's personally why he will pick Tulsi

18:12

Gabbard. Because the weakness

18:14

this time is women. Women

18:17

and also abortion. He

18:19

believes... Now look, I... This

18:21

is not how I feel, but every piece

18:23

of reporting from inside the White House and Trump's

18:25

public statements back up the idea that he thinks

18:28

if he goes too far on abortion, he's going to lose. Yes.

18:31

That's what it sounds like. And that's what all

18:34

the reporting inside of the campaign indicates. He's very

18:36

much trying to walk this

18:38

middle line. He's not abandoning what he did

18:40

with the judges, but he does not

18:43

want that to be the number one thing. And

18:45

a guy like Mike Pence... I wouldn't either. ...would

18:47

point in that direction. So you think the religious

18:49

conservative angle may be not the one he goes

18:51

to here. Tulsi Gabbard, I

18:53

hate to point out, was a Bernie Sanders

18:56

campaign volunteer. I know. Think

18:58

of this as Donald Trump. I like her,

19:01

but... What I worry about is his pick

19:03

is going to be the party after

19:06

Donald Trump. In four years, that's the setup

19:08

for the party. Who is it going to

19:10

be? J.D. Vance, I think,

19:12

would be great. Tulsi Gabbard is not the

19:14

Republican party. But if you look at this...

19:17

She's not a conservative, as she would tell you. Right.

19:20

She's not. But if you look at

19:22

it from his perspective, he's got all this divide.

19:25

Everybody says he's a divider. All right.

19:27

Here's somebody who I don't agree with on a

19:29

lot, but she agrees on certain principles. That America

19:31

is great. America should come first.

19:33

We shouldn't be in all these foreign wars,

19:35

etc., etc. I

19:38

could see her, if not Vice President,

19:40

I could see him... This is not

19:42

my hope, but this

19:44

is what I could see him doing. He

19:46

would think I can appeal

19:49

to the people who are

19:51

women in the suburbs by saying, come

19:54

on. She's

19:56

more like you. She

19:58

works with me. we're we're not what

20:01

everybody says we are right at a central

20:03

cast right out of trample with a lasting

20:05

right out of central case and i could

20:07

do you think it's possible okay we have

20:09

jaydee vance on with us now hello

20:11

jaydee how are you hey glenn how

20:14

you doing great great to talk to you first

20:16

i have to ask you uh

20:19

how the talks to be vice president going on i'm just

20:22

saying uh

20:25

well you'll be the first to know glenn i

20:27

know of course the media is very curious than

20:29

this but i've never yet had a conversation with

20:31

dal trump about being a vice president though really

20:33

until i do i i will

20:35

assume that this is a lot of media speculation

20:38

wow what you do about nothing well we're pulling

20:40

for you actually uh we're pulling for you um

20:43

so uh let's talk a little

20:45

bit about trump and the trial

20:47

this trial is is

20:49

more than just a kangaroo court

20:52

this is there is there's nothing

20:54

to this trial how do you think

20:56

it's going well

20:58

i think it's i mean the only thing that really

21:00

matters of course is the court of public opinion uh

21:02

because such a sham trial i don't think that it's

21:05

going to hold up on appeal you

21:07

know the basic argument here is that

21:09

he falsified documents in order to

21:11

commit a crime but they can't even identify which

21:13

crime he allegedly committed so it's very hard to

21:15

imagine anything like that can hold up

21:18

on appeal now look it

21:21

is highlighting i think how corrupt the justice system

21:23

has gotten in certain parts of our country right

21:25

so you have the number three person

21:27

at biden's doj who jumps ship and

21:29

goes and joins a local prosecutor office

21:32

to participate in this by the way

21:34

he's also turns out a dnc paid

21:36

consultant then you have of course

21:38

a source funded prosecutor who brings the case it's

21:40

being presided over by a literal

21:43

campaign donor to biden harris who

21:45

is preventing donald trump from even

21:47

speaking on the merits of the case

21:49

in the in the court of public opinion so i

21:52

think it's it's really helping trump politically

21:54

which again i think is all that

21:56

matters because those people who

21:58

have any sense of fairness recognize that

22:00

this is a sham trial and so long

22:02

as it's helping Trump get elected I think

22:04

that's the thing that matters most. I will

22:07

tell you that I think the line of

22:09

maybe the year, we're not finished yet, but

22:11

I think the line maybe of the year

22:13

is Donald Trump when he came out I

22:15

think it was yesterday and said the

22:18

Constitution is well worth

22:20

me going to jail for. It's

22:23

worth more

22:25

than me trying to stay out of jail. So

22:27

put me in jail and I thought wow

22:30

that I mean that

22:32

is a strong, strong

22:34

stance. As a

22:36

way of driving home mistakes doesn't it?

22:38

Yeah this guy is

22:40

literally trying to prevent

22:42

him from speaking. The Democrats have made

22:45

this a major political issue. The Democrats

22:47

are fundraising off of it. You know

22:49

Biden Harris campaign sending around fundraising

22:51

emails. Oh isn't it funny that Donald Trump's in

22:54

court today sent us money and

22:56

yet the judge is preventing Trump

22:58

for participating in what is

23:00

right now the most lively political debate

23:03

of the country. So it

23:05

really I think again just drives home how

23:07

much these guys have lost their minds and

23:09

you know I've

23:11

even seen polls here that Biden,

23:14

people who plan to vote for Joe Biden recognize

23:16

this is fundamentally a sham trial. Now here's the

23:18

crazy thing about this Glenn is yeah I do

23:20

a lot of hostile media. It's one of the

23:22

things I like to do is sort of taking

23:24

our case to the other side and I've sat

23:27

in green rooms with people who months ago

23:29

were angry at Alvin Bragg for bringing this

23:31

case because it was such a weak case.

23:33

Right. But now that it's the only case

23:35

that's actually gone to trial because the rest

23:37

of them have fallen apart you see the

23:40

media treating this as legitimate and I don't

23:42

think anybody believes them right. There's just no

23:44

credibility here and everything that further erodes their

23:46

credibility is in my view a good thing.

23:48

So let me ask you a couple of

23:51

couple of other questions. I know we have limited

23:53

time. Let me first stop with the campus protest

23:55

funding and Biden

23:58

holding back aid bullets

24:00

to Israel. Isn't this

24:02

exactly what Donald Trump was impeached

24:06

for? He held back congressionally

24:09

approved javelins

24:12

from Ukraine, and

24:15

now Biden is holding

24:17

back ammunition from Israel.

24:20

What's the difference? There

24:22

isn't any difference, of course. The

24:24

only real difference is I think that

24:26

Donald Trump actually was engaged in some

24:29

diplomacy and was negotiating with the

24:31

Ukrainians and also other folks

24:33

in the region about how much aid they should

24:35

be providing. Of course, it shouldn't just be America,

24:37

whether you support Ukraine or not. What's

24:40

different about this is I think you're taking one

24:42

of the few truly bipartisan issues in this country

24:44

that we should be supporting our ally Israel, and

24:47

you're allowing it to be dictated by the

24:49

far left. Now, I have a little bit

24:51

of a different take on this, Glenn, because

24:53

I think what Biden is doing is

24:55

really killing two political birds with one

24:58

stone here. One, as I've been warning

25:00

for months, we don't have enough ammunition

25:02

to send to Ukraine and Israel simultaneously.

25:04

We have to pick one. Well,

25:06

the Biden administration, I think, has picked

25:08

the corrupt Ukrainian regime over our long-term

25:10

ally of the Israelis. I think it's

25:12

disgraceful, but simultaneously, he's going

25:14

to his left flank and saying, the

25:16

reason I'm doing this is

25:19

because, you know, B.B. is bad and because

25:21

we don't like the way that B.B. is

25:23

prosecuting the war. So he gets to tell

25:25

his left flank what they want to hear

25:27

while covering for the fundamental failure of his

25:29

foreign policy. If one of

25:31

the reasons, Glenn, it was such a

25:34

bad idea for Republicans to give Biden

25:36

this security fundamental, it's such a big

25:38

bill that it sort of allows Biden

25:40

to hide his priorities and to have

25:42

his cake and eat it too. The

25:47

other thing that I want to talk to

25:49

you about is the health care that is

25:51

now going to illegal migrants. How

25:53

does this president get

25:55

away with so

25:58

much executive power? Nobody

26:01

gave him the authorization to do this.

26:04

Nobody gave him the authorization to spend

26:06

all of this money. Nobody gave him

26:08

the authorization to relieve or to forgive,

26:11

quote, all those loans and time

26:13

to the back of the taxpayer. This

26:16

is a very important concept

26:19

in our Constitution. It's why

26:21

congressmen have to be reelected

26:23

every two years because

26:26

we want them to answer for the

26:29

money they just spent or allowed to

26:31

be spent. Well,

26:34

you're right, Glenn. I mean, look, we know that at

26:36

this point, Biden is a tyrannical president who will violate

26:38

the law, and it is a violation of the law.

26:42

But I don't want to let us off the

26:44

hook here because we should know at this point

26:46

that when we appropriate Joe Biden a

26:48

big chunk of money, he is sometimes

26:50

going to violate the law in the way that

26:52

he actually distributed it. And this

26:54

means that Congress actually has to take

26:56

a little bit more assertive of a

26:58

role, has to be willing to cut

27:01

off certain appropriations, not write Biden these

27:03

blank checks. This

27:05

is really important, Glenn. Congress

27:07

increasingly, again, with

27:09

this massive security supplemental, when you write Joe

27:11

Biden a check, you can't go to the

27:13

American people and say, well, he's

27:16

doing this illegally. Well, that's true, but you know

27:18

he's going to do it illegally, so you have

27:20

to be a little bit more careful about how

27:22

we give this guy authority in the first place.

27:25

And I have to say here, Glenn,

27:27

this giving healthcare to illegal aliens is,

27:30

it should offend

27:32

every single American. We

27:35

have a social safety net in this

27:37

country. Medicaid exists for impoverished people to

27:39

help pay their medical bills. If you

27:41

allow folks who should not be in

27:43

this country to begin with, who are

27:46

here illegally, to literally take from the

27:48

mouths of American poor children so

27:50

that we can fund their healthcare, then whose

27:52

side are you really on? And

27:54

I think it's becoming increasingly clear that

27:57

Biden doesn't like the people who

27:59

currently make a bill. up the citizenry of this

28:01

country and he's trying to change the way the

28:03

country operates, the way that we

28:06

distribute resources, the way that we vote and

28:08

that's what his illegal immigration push is all

28:10

about. Well, I just cannot believe that those

28:14

at the very bottom of the scale, the

28:16

ones that the Democrats have

28:18

said they care about the most forever, the

28:21

black families that are trapped in

28:23

Chicago and are barely making ends

28:26

meet. How are they

28:28

to view the government

28:31

when they're not getting, you know,

28:33

they're not being put up in a hotel someplace,

28:35

they're not getting all of these perks and

28:38

yet we're doing it for people who just

28:40

came here. I mean

28:42

if I were on the receiving end or

28:44

on the need end of this and I

28:47

was a citizen, I'd be like, dude,

28:49

what are you doing? You never did

28:51

this for me, you never did this for, you

28:53

know, my family as we were struggling. Absolutely.

28:57

They just came here and a lot of them

28:59

came here illegally, Glenn. We have veterans who can't

29:01

afford health care who are sleeping on park benches.

29:04

At the same time, we're handing out free

29:06

health care to people who violated the law

29:09

to come to this country in the first

29:11

place. It's completely disgraceful and I think a

29:13

lot of people should be looking around and

29:15

saying, who does Joe Biden actually stand for,

29:17

right? The Democrats say that they care about

29:20

the little guy. Let me

29:22

just tell you just a brief story, Glenn. I have

29:24

a dear friend of mine who's, you know, getting up

29:26

there in years who is now

29:28

eligible for Social Security. He basically found

29:30

out that there were a number of

29:32

illegal aliens who had used his Social

29:34

Security number to get a whole host

29:36

of benefits, including Social Security benefits. When

29:39

he went to the government and said, hey, I'd like to

29:41

know who's using these things so I can report to the

29:43

police, they basically told him, no,

29:45

we don't reveal people's personal information. And

29:48

illegal aliens who are committing Social Security

29:51

fraud. This is the kind

29:53

of country that Joe Biden has created where

29:55

the very things that we do as a

29:57

country to help the least fortunate are being

30:00

given away to a legal aliens

30:02

instead of american citizens i cannot

30:04

stand it jayd thank

30:06

you so much senator jaydee vance from uh...

30:08

ohio always good to have you on thank

30:10

you i

30:19

want to welcome back to the

30:21

uh... program ryan morrow he is

30:23

a counter-terrorism expert in investigative researcher

30:25

for the capital research center where

30:27

he monitors extremist groups in the

30:29

u s he's also an adjunct

30:31

professor uh... at regent university

30:33

ryan welcome back to the program how are

30:35

you i'm doing well thanks

30:37

for having me back uh... thank you so much for

30:39

doing all of this work uh... it

30:42

is it's it's

30:44

crazy that when i read

30:46

your work now i'm brought back to

30:49

two thousand eight and i see exactly

30:51

the same names the same circle of

30:53

people all returning to

30:55

do what they did during occupy wall

30:57

street that

31:00

that's exactly right that it's the same model on

31:02

the fact that this is more

31:04

successful uh... and

31:06

and for various reasons and

31:09

uh... i'm sorry to say it appears

31:11

to be more militant uh... because i

31:13

have an increasingly militant and revolutionary uh...

31:16

because we we've been monitoring probably around

31:18

two hundred fifty three hundred different groups

31:20

all at once uh...

31:22

and we haven't fully investigated all of them and

31:25

my expectation based on my past

31:27

work uh... that you're familiar with the muslim

31:30

brotherhood and so he needed to be a

31:32

bad type thing was that uh...

31:34

this would be a coalition and people

31:36

would be surprised by the proportion of

31:38

which are islamist extremist but there'd be

31:41

you know what kind of characters i've

31:44

got to do so far my list which is only

31:46

a portion of what we have i've come

31:49

up with over a hundred and twenty terrorism

31:52

tied organizations involved in the

31:54

protest the almost all of

31:56

which support hummus and the

31:59

october seventh of and I can prove

32:01

it because they all said it. So

32:03

there isn't much diversity here. This

32:05

was conjured up and

32:08

is being implemented by a

32:10

group of Hamas supporters, some of which have ties

32:13

to Hamas more directly. So

32:17

I remember in 2010

32:20

I said you will see an effort from

32:24

Islamists, Marxists, anti-capitalist,

32:26

communists, they'll all

32:28

come together to disrupt the order

32:31

and try to collapse the West. And

32:33

I was made fun of because people

32:35

said, like the Marxist and the Islamist

32:37

have anything to do with each other.

32:40

And I said they're not going to be calling

32:42

each other up, they just all

32:44

see the opportunity to destroy more

32:47

of America and destabilize us.

32:50

Do you think that's what's happening? Any of that? Yeah,

32:54

well you're being proven correct and you're going

32:56

to be increasingly proven correctly once we finish

32:59

our huge expose, breaking down the entire

33:01

makeup of this group and all the

33:03

messaging that they're using. And you're

33:05

right, they don't call each other up but they

33:08

do communicate on social media, the Telegram chants and

33:10

the rest of it because their language, their way

33:12

of talking is now so

33:14

similar because it's so revolutionary and they've

33:17

kind of combined their different causes into

33:20

one thing even if they disagree on what

33:22

happens after their revolution succeeds. They kind of

33:24

put that off to the side. But

33:27

yes, that coalition is coming together and

33:30

I would say there's kind of like

33:32

four concentric circles where on the outermost

33:34

layer you have the more

33:36

typical Muslim Brotherhood style groups that are

33:38

a bit cautious but they imply their

33:41

support for criminality, some bills

33:43

that they can't come off. We condemn

33:45

terrorism but like if you know how they talk,

33:47

you know what they're saying. And then you

33:49

have the next circle in where they're very similar

33:51

but they go a step further and passing around

33:53

guides on how to do criminal acts of protest

33:56

so they're a little bit more militant and then

33:58

you move further into the next circle. in

34:00

and those are the people that are saying,

34:02

well, we need to escalate on the college

34:04

campuses. Let's fight the police. Let's get a

34:06

little bit more destructive. And then there's this

34:09

inner circle that I think can be

34:11

accurately described as domestic terrorists. And I'm

34:13

watching what they're saying to each other

34:15

and what they're advocating and they're passing

34:17

around descriptions and guides

34:19

on how to do every conceivable violent

34:21

and active sabotage that you can

34:23

think of. And their debate and

34:25

their argument, and they seem to be gaining ground

34:28

is that we're having so much success that

34:30

yes, of course we should escalate on the

34:32

college campuses and the typical places we show

34:34

up, the congressional offices, all that. But we're

34:36

really doing so well right now that we

34:39

should broaden out our campaign and not make

34:41

it about influencing opinion and policy, but

34:43

imposing our will. Let's

34:45

dismantle the nationwide

34:47

infrastructure that abables the

34:50

US and Israeli military alliance and

34:52

capitalism and all of that to

34:54

continue. So it's no longer a

34:56

debate. We just make you

34:58

follow our orders. As somebody

35:00

who researches, as a researcher on terror, how likely is

35:02

it that we're going to

35:10

see a

35:13

massive terror strike, even if

35:15

it's not something like 9-11,

35:18

but it's several groups all

35:20

around the country doing something

35:22

around the same time to just freely

35:25

throw us off? The

35:29

impression I get is that they may not take

35:31

the exceptional risk of trying to coordinate it down

35:34

to the very second or the very same hour,

35:36

but they say generally, okay, now it's go

35:38

time. In fact, that's what they're saying in the communications.

35:41

I'm saying, I'm going to say it's go time. That

35:43

some are saying, yeah, maybe we should wait while we

35:45

do the college campuses first. It's in that kind of

35:47

stage of discussion, but they're

35:49

all envisioning a large number

35:51

of small attacks over a short period

35:54

of time. And they see that as

35:56

the most likely way forward as opposed

35:58

to this resource intensive. of operation

36:01

like a 9-11 has a higher chance

36:04

of failure. Right, right. Who

36:06

is actually funding this? Who are the big

36:08

people that are funding? Well,

36:11

some of the names that you mentioned certainly

36:13

are involved, but I've got to say, based on

36:16

what little data is available, and people will be

36:18

shocked how little data is available and what you

36:20

can get away with as a nonprofit

36:22

and these different schemes that they have

36:24

in order to hide any type of

36:26

transparency, but of what little data we

36:28

have, the names that

36:31

you mentioned, the Soros's, the Tide Foundation,

36:33

all of those are donating to these types

36:36

of groups that are putting this together, but

36:38

that appears to be a tiny

36:41

percentage of the overall spending and

36:43

revenue that they have. The

36:46

rest seems to be coming through means

36:48

unknown, maybe private donors or businesses, there's

36:50

these various schemes that they have, and

36:54

that makes it much more frightening, because

36:56

we don't have a clue in general.

36:59

How much money do you think we're talking about? Well,

37:03

with all these groups, I mean, if

37:05

we've identified 120 terror-tied groups just

37:09

on our own, their operating budgets

37:11

and everything else, I mean, you've got to be

37:13

talking about altogether, I mean,

37:15

definitely millions, probably tens of billions. Jeez.

37:21

So is there any lead or is this just a

37:23

collection of people that

37:29

are kind of thinking alike, or

37:32

are they highly coordinated? They're

37:36

highly coordinated when it comes down to the

37:38

cell level, and as they're trying to assemble

37:40

these types of insurgent and guerrilla networks on

37:43

the local level, that's much

37:45

more organized, and then in the broader scheme

37:47

of things, doing these

37:49

types of protests, there's less coordination because there just

37:51

doesn't need to be. Everyone's focused on the same

37:53

thing, everyone kind of has the same objective, so

37:56

you don't need as much command and control, but

37:58

there's certainly organizations that are more- powerful than

38:00

others, all sorts of coalitions

38:03

with sub-coalitions. And

38:05

so you have groups like the US Campaign for

38:07

Palestinian Rights that alone has about 300

38:10

groups in their network and they

38:12

present themselves as very moderate.

38:14

But then in the activist guide, the

38:16

toolkit that they send around, they'll have

38:18

links to websites that talk about how

38:21

to do illegal direct actions as part

38:23

of the protest. And of course they

38:25

have links to Hamas overseas, they send

38:27

money to the Palestinian territories for the

38:29

BDS campaign and like a

38:31

specific structure that actually has Hamas in it. So

38:33

it's not even an indirect thing. But

38:36

of course they get mainstream credibility and then they

38:39

look just fine according to the people that

38:41

talk about these issues. So you know I'm

38:43

looking at some of the things that you

38:45

have dug up. Now

38:47

it looks like UCLA, Columbia,

38:49

USC and other college campus

38:51

encampments were planned pretty

38:54

much right after October 7th, beginning

38:57

in November 2023. Yeah

39:00

that's definitely true. As soon as one

39:02

group starts doing it

39:04

and starts getting chatty about it,

39:06

then other groups are going to start talking to

39:08

them about it. So that's a very easy thing

39:10

to happen. It started becoming a trend as soon

39:12

as the effort began.

39:14

And honestly I think Hamas and

39:17

their affiliates would have been

39:19

crazy not to at least have some discussion right

39:21

before they did the October 7th attacks about, alright

39:23

well how are we going to operate

39:26

politically in the United States and elsewhere in dealing

39:29

with the Israeli response? Like that conversation had to

39:32

take place and you might have

39:34

seen the fruits of it when immediately after

39:36

the attack, you had the students for justice

39:38

in Palestine saying not just they support the

39:40

attacks, which is how most of the media

39:42

report in it, oh they support the attacks,

39:44

how outrageous. So what they actually said was,

39:46

and this is an almost direct quote, is

39:49

we're not just saying we're

39:51

in solidarity with the resistance

39:54

movement that carried out the attack. Obviously referring to

39:56

Hamas but they want to say Hamas. We're

39:59

part of it. they absorbed

40:01

themselves into it and

40:03

so that they were acting in allegiance

40:05

to them under their direction. That

40:08

crosses the line into material support

40:10

for terrorism. That's the provision of

40:13

personnel and resources. So

40:15

that's a very different thing than how the media

40:18

characterized and that's why Ron DeSantis was much more

40:20

justified than how it was characterized when he shut

40:22

down two of the

40:24

Students for Justice and Palestine chapters on

40:26

college campuses in Florida. Amazing. Amazing

40:28

that our government is really doing nothing on

40:31

this. What is the percentage

40:33

of those that we see on television

40:35

that are actual believers know what they're

40:37

doing compared to useful idiots? The

40:41

majority are going to be useful idiots I

40:43

think that were enticed by aside

40:45

from being at that age where you're eager to

40:47

try to figure out your role in the world

40:49

and feel like you're doing something positive. I mean

40:51

it's just psychology at that age. The

40:55

overall message of, hey

40:57

do you oppose genocide? Do you

40:59

oppose war? Do you oppose

41:01

the conditions of the Palestinians? And

41:03

well here's our argument for opposing

41:05

Israel because that will result in

41:07

peace, cease fires and improvement and

41:09

liberation for the Palestinians and

41:12

that's a lot of the people is

41:14

now an intellectual detailed argument. And

41:18

I've got to say culturally and

41:20

you know I'm not that old, I'm not that young, I'm

41:22

37 but I've seen a shift over

41:25

the past like 6 or 7 years

41:27

where the unjustified arrogance of

41:29

the youth when it comes to political

41:31

issues is just outrageous.

41:34

It's just a degree of certainty that exists

41:36

and that's really weaponized by these groups. For

41:39

these to be the elite campuses

41:42

it just shows how bad

41:44

our educational system is. These

41:47

people are morons, just morons.

41:51

We're up against summer and graduations are

41:53

happening. What happens in the

41:56

summer? Does this go away and then pick back up

41:58

in the fall? plan

42:00

that if you know?

42:03

I mean the plan is definitely

42:05

to continue as it always is but I think unlike

42:07

the incidents with Black Lives Matter and

42:10

other times in the past, those are

42:12

generated by specific incidents and over

42:14

time the memory of those incidents

42:16

and the emotional backlash you anticipate.

42:19

Whereas this is more of a permanent thing because

42:22

Israel is not going to stop the operations

42:24

and Gaza against Hamas, that situation is not

42:26

going to resolve itself and so it has

42:28

much more longevity so

42:30

it will continue into the summertime. A lot

42:33

of groups have put their credibility on the line

42:35

into saying we're going to act over the summer

42:37

and into the future and even just from a

42:40

more selfish operational standpoint, a lot of

42:42

these nonprofits seem to be raising

42:44

a lot of money and getting a lot

42:46

of members and so regardless of the cause,

42:49

there's a real selfish motivation on each

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one of those parts to keep

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the chaos going. BLM, some people

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got very very rich off of

42:58

that. Right, right exactly.

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Ryan, thank you so much for everything

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that you do. When you have more

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information please reach out because I'd love

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to have you on again. It's really

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important work that

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could be heard by everybody. Thank you so much.

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Alright, thank you Glenn. You bet.