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Best of the Program | Guests: Stephen Hicks & Joseph MacKinnon | 4/30/24

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Hey, it's a great Tuesday podcast. Everything

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you need to know from Campus Terror.

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I shouldn't say that it wasn't I

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mean, it was a peaceful, mostly peaceful.

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Demonstration yesterday On the Campuses of

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all the right way to deal

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the bike administration. Also we talk

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about the baptism. Of Russell

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Brand. Bishop Marmara from

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Australia Steven Hicks joins

0:35

us for forty five

0:37

minutes just on the.

0:40

The podcast the Tucker Carlson did

0:42

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0:44

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0:48

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0:51

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0:55

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welcome to the program, it's always an

2:22

honor to talk to him, Rockford University

2:24

Philosophy Professor, Center for Ethics and Entrepreneurship

2:26

Executive Director, Steven Hicks. Hello,

2:28

Steven. How are you, sir? I

2:31

am very well. Thanks for having me on again, Glenn. You

2:34

bet. So, I watched this interview,

2:36

and I know that Tucker didn't know who

2:39

he was, Alexander Dugan, because

2:41

when he was over there, I

2:44

said, be careful if

2:46

you're involved with Alexander Dugan. And

2:48

that, unfortunately, I said that right before he left.

2:51

So, he had already done the interview,

2:53

and he said, not really sure about

2:56

this guy. And

2:59

I don't think really had done

3:01

his homework, because it came

3:03

up last minute. But

3:05

also, Dugan is hard to nail

3:08

down if you just

3:10

look at him on the surface. Would you agree

3:12

with that? Well,

3:14

sure. TV interviewers

3:17

will often under-prepare,

3:19

and they don't necessarily have the

3:21

philosophical and strategic depth to understand.

3:24

And as you were suggesting, Dugan is a

3:26

slippery character. At the same time, he is

3:29

deep. He is a philosopher, as

3:31

well as being a strategist. But at

3:34

the same time, I don't want to let

3:36

someone like Tucker Carlson off the hook, because

3:38

we do have enough historical knowledge about the

3:40

kinds of positions that Dugan is offering. He

3:43

is repackaging ideas and strategies that

3:45

have been well-worked over in the 20th

3:47

century. So,

3:50

we should be up to speed on

3:52

that. So, I think partly what we

3:54

need is a little philosophical up-brushing, but

3:57

also some historical reminders of history repeating

3:59

itself. So let me play just

4:01

a little bit of what he said to talk

4:03

yesterday and will start there is a clip from

4:05

the Tucker Carlson interview with Alexander Do Gun. And

4:07

up for the full of the

4:10

solitude out there was only liberalism

4:12

And Francis Fukuyama has a point

4:14

out correctly that's not a very

4:16

out. There are no more eighty

4:18

ideologies accept of liberalism, a liberalism

4:20

or that was a liberation or

4:22

these interview though ah from any

4:24

kind of collective identities of arrow

4:26

of who are only two. Ah

4:29

a collective identities to liberate

4:31

from our gender identity Because

4:33

it's this collective identity you

4:36

us man or woman collectively

4:38

so you could the as

4:40

a alone Felix Ah saw

4:42

an hour and a liberation

4:44

from gender and that has

4:47

allowed that to transgender a

4:49

served or Lgbt. it's and

4:51

new form of sexual individualism.

4:53

so is it is. Sex

4:56

is oh so of something

4:58

optional and. That was not

5:00

just ah division of liberalism

5:02

that was not necessary, elements

5:04

of when Women station al

5:06

director of this liberal ideology

5:08

and the last step that

5:10

is not yet or told

5:12

totally totally made his liberation

5:14

from human identities, humanity optional.

5:16

And when and now we

5:18

are choosing Or you in

5:20

the West you are and

5:22

you are choosing to have

5:24

sex you want as he

5:26

wants. And. Us not

5:29

blessed of step in this

5:31

process of Ah Liberalism implementation

5:33

the windows and will mean

5:36

precisely that fuel Human An

5:38

optional so you can choose

5:41

your easy dual identity to

5:43

be human, not to be

5:45

human that has a name.

5:48

Trans Humanism Post Humanism Ah,

5:50

I'm Singularity Artificial Intelligence Sas

5:53

Ah, Klaus Schwab Paw courts

5:55

wise or how.it's they openly.

5:58

declare that the is in his future

6:00

of humanity. So we arrive

6:03

to the historical terminal station

6:06

that we finally five centuries

6:10

ago we have embarked in this

6:12

train and now we are arriving

6:14

at the last station. So

6:18

what he's saying here is that liberalism

6:21

meaning the classic liberalism where

6:23

you're an individual it's not

6:25

collective etc etc he says

6:27

the inevitable end is progressivism

6:30

and then some dystopian future

6:33

but I don't think that's right

6:35

I'd love to hear from you. Liberalism

6:39

doesn't lead to progressivism, Marxism

6:41

leads to progressivism. Yeah

6:45

the first half of the Dugan clip

6:47

I think is correct the second half

6:49

is a massive equivocation I think philosophically

6:51

he should know better I think he's

6:53

doing some tactical rhetoric

6:55

against the West in talking about the

6:57

transgenderism. So let's take those two in

7:00

part. So first part is fall of

7:02

the Soviet Union. I think Dugan is

7:04

exactly right that what played out in

7:06

the 20th century left only some sort

7:09

of liberalism standing in the field. The

7:11

20th century was a huge

7:13

ideological battle I think

7:15

Dugan's analysis is correct it's that's the

7:17

kind of analysis I've argued and many

7:20

other people have argued as well. The

7:22

20th century was about some sort of

7:24

liberalism versus some sort of fascism or

7:27

national socialism versus some

7:29

sort of Marxist communism.

7:32

We fought world wars, we fought Cold

7:34

Wars, we fought many trench warfare ideological

7:37

wars as well. What

7:39

happened was fascism was defeated national socialism

7:42

was defeated and by 1991 Marxist communism

7:44

was defeated and so what

7:47

seemed to be almost inevitable I

7:49

don't want to use the inevitability

7:52

language but was that

7:54

some sort of liberal democracy

7:56

capitalism individuals of modernity was

7:59

triumphant. So I think

8:01

that part is exactly right. Now

8:03

where I think Dougan goes wrong

8:06

is in the, what happens next.

8:08

My view is that what happened

8:10

was that liberalism took a breather.

8:12

We've been fighting wars, ideological and

8:14

actual wars for over a century.

8:17

We let our guard down, we relax, we

8:19

kind of thought everybody is going to get

8:21

on board and some sort

8:24

of liberal democratic capitalist modern future

8:26

is slowly then going to prevail

8:28

over the next generation. Now

8:31

what actually happened though was

8:34

that the fascists, the national

8:36

socialists, the authoritarians, the communists,

8:38

the Marxists of various sorts

8:41

did not simply go away and give

8:43

up the fight. Instead they started to

8:45

repackage themselves and then

8:47

inside the now triumphant West

8:49

there were counter movements that

8:52

started to reassert themselves. And

8:55

then we started to see then by the time we get to 2010,

8:57

2015 or so that those counter Western

9:01

movements inside the West are reasserting

9:03

themselves and everybody starts to become

9:06

aware of them. And

9:08

the particularly nasty forms of transgenders,

9:11

and I think there is a

9:13

legitimate version of transgenders that

9:16

reasonable and sensitive people will

9:19

take aware of, but weaponized

9:21

transgenderism of the particularly

9:23

violent form that we're sometimes dealing with,

9:26

that is a different phenomenon. So

9:30

the second part then is what Doubin wants to

9:32

do is to say, and this is the part

9:34

that you were picking up on, that the

9:37

relativism, the angry activism,

9:40

the willingness to let everything

9:43

burn inside the West that

9:45

we're now confronting with, the

9:48

virulent forms of Islamism that we

9:51

are now confronting and so on,

9:53

the total package of anti-Western,

9:56

anti-liberalisms, where did those

9:58

come from? Now,

10:00

I agree those are pathological,

10:03

they are very destructive, but

10:05

what Dugan is offering is

10:07

a thesis that says that

10:10

those anti-liberalisms are themselves

10:12

an outgrowth of liberalism,

10:15

and that I think is simply false.

10:20

So when he says, you know,

10:23

an end to modernity and

10:25

liberalism, he's actually, I mean,

10:28

one of the first things I found about

10:30

Dugan that opened my eyes

10:33

was his statement that

10:35

fascism with

10:39

Mussolini, Mussolini, he says, was a very

10:42

brave person, as was Hitler, but

10:45

it didn't work, but

10:47

they understood that international

10:49

communism was not

10:51

good. So they went for national

10:54

communism or socialism, which became fascist.

10:56

And he said where the two of

10:59

them went wrong was they offered too

11:01

many compromises. He said the future is

11:03

fascism without compromise. That's

11:10

a little terrifying. Yeah, so

11:12

this is 1990s Dugan in

11:14

the first decade after the fall of the

11:17

Soviet Union. And he's

11:19

a strange character, right at this point.

11:21

He's already adopted

11:23

various forms of Nazism in the

11:25

1980s. And at

11:28

this point, he's not a young man. He's in his

11:30

late 20s. He's in his early 30s. So

11:32

he's a mature thinker. He

11:35

hates liberalism already. He hates modernity.

11:37

He hates the West in its

11:39

entirety. At the same

11:41

time, he's dissatisfied with what's going

11:43

on in the Soviet Union, its

11:46

version of communism and Marxism. In

11:49

the Soviet Union fall, so he

11:51

is co-founder of a national Bolshevik

11:53

party. And the Bolsheviks, of course,

11:56

were Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, and so

11:58

on. of

12:00

a kind of communist Marxism,

12:02

but the nationalism is important

12:05

there for him. And

12:07

he then, within a few years,

12:09

settles on saying what we need

12:12

to do is just rework fascism.

12:14

So he is widely and explicitly

12:16

admiring of Mussolini and some

12:21

of the German fascists of the 1920s and

12:23

early 1930s. And

12:26

he publishes an article in 1997 called Fascism, Borderless, and

12:28

Red. The

12:33

red part means blood, and it means

12:35

a little bit of incorporation of Marxism

12:37

that's going to be a bloody, violent

12:40

revolution that we need. And

12:43

the borderless part is also there, that we

12:45

need to expand Russia's border. We need to

12:47

be expansionist. What we need

12:49

is a kind of national socialism.

12:52

He takes the socialism

12:54

seriously, economic control, but

12:56

it's not going to be a socialism where we take,

12:58

so to speak, the Russian people and we make

13:01

them fit into some abstract socialist template.

13:03

This is the fascist part. We

13:06

need to take the Russian people,

13:08

its particular ethnic identity, including its

13:11

religion, its cultures, its traditions, see

13:13

it as having a world historical

13:15

destiny. It's going to lead the

13:18

world to a new bright future

13:20

that's not going to be trapped

13:24

in the old Marxist way. And

13:27

as you're suggesting, it's going to learn from

13:29

the failures of the earlier

13:31

versions of fascism and national

13:33

socialism. And what that is going

13:35

to involve is a willing to be muscular,

13:37

a willing to be violent, a willing

13:41

to take ethnicity and nationalism

13:43

seriously and not to compromise

13:46

one jot with capitalism

13:48

with any form of Western liberalism. So

13:50

yes, that's Dugan by the time we

13:52

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back to the podcast. You

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are listening to the best of going back. To

15:38

listen to the rest of this interview, check

15:40

out the Full Show podcast. I

15:42

want to go over this NPR boss which

15:44

was kind of funny at the beginning.

15:48

And then the more you learn about her, the more you're

15:50

like, well, now hang on just a second,

15:52

because she would be a very

15:55

important tool in the hands of the government

15:57

and she's being paid by now. National

16:00

Public Radio. So

16:02

she is a tool of the

16:05

government in many ways. Can she

16:07

separate herself from

16:09

her own personal beliefs? Or

16:13

is that even wanted

16:15

at NPR? We wanted to

16:17

bring in Joe McKinnon. Joe

16:20

is a Blaise News staff writer and he

16:22

has been following up on this. Joe,

16:24

take us from the beginning from

16:28

the the the

16:31

whistleblower, if you will, all

16:34

the way to Christopher Rufo and then

16:36

let's pick it up from there. So can you tell us the

16:38

beginning of it Joe? Absolutely. Thanks

16:40

for having me on. So Yuri

16:43

Berliner earlier this month has

16:45

this damning expose in

16:48

the free press April 9th. He goes

16:50

after NPR after having worked there for

16:52

a quarter of a century as a

16:55

senior business editor. He

16:57

suggests that there's zero

16:59

viewpoint diversity, particularly after

17:02

John Lansing, the former CEO,

17:04

had made it

17:06

an activist organization and then allied

17:08

it effectively with the Democratic Party.

17:11

This is a publication according to Berliner

17:13

that didn't want to cover the

17:16

Hunter Biden laptop story, that worked

17:18

with Adam Schiff to push the

17:20

Russian collusion hoax. So

17:22

he goes to town on NPR

17:24

and draws the ire of someone

17:26

who's not been on a lot

17:28

of people's radar and that's Catherine

17:30

Mayer or Meyer I should say.

17:33

So Meyer comes up with this long

17:36

response and effectively

17:39

passes him out with

17:42

some more charitable terms and subsequently

17:45

Berliner is suspended and

17:48

then he resigns. So

17:50

people start looking into Meyer after this because

17:54

she was with Wikipedia before but I guess

17:56

you know flew under the radar for a

17:58

lot particularly on the internet. the right

18:00

or those among those

18:02

who are critical of the government. And

18:05

at first blush, she

18:07

looks just like another shrill leftist.

18:09

She has the obligatory photo wearing

18:12

the Biden campaign hat, and she

18:14

has an unhealthy obsession with race.

18:17

So that photo exists. And the

18:19

tweets speak for themselves. But

18:21

you keep digging as Rufo has. And

18:24

you realize really quickly that there's something

18:27

more going on here. From

18:29

30,000 feet, she looks like

18:32

not just a tech savvy

18:34

media queen, but someone who

18:36

spent a lot of time around color revolutions

18:38

in the Orient enough to know how

18:41

they might be replicated. Okay,

18:43

so hang on just a second. The

18:45

campuses and boardrooms are full of

18:47

leftists. But

18:49

you're saying and Christopher Rufo saying, she

18:52

is not your ordinary leftist.

18:54

She's been around color revolutions.

18:57

What does that mean? She's been around color

18:59

revolutions? Okay, so

19:01

well, one of the many

19:04

interesting posts she's had, and I should

19:06

note at the outset

19:08

here that she's a world economic forum,

19:11

world global leader. She's worked with

19:13

the World Bank. She's

19:15

worked with various NGOs

19:17

that are in the tech

19:20

comms and well, foreign

19:23

policy space. So around

19:26

2010 2011, and the Rufo

19:29

chronicled her travel itinerary,

19:31

she's with the National

19:33

Democratic Institute. And that's

19:36

a spin off of the National Endowment for democracy,

19:39

committed to yet exactly

19:41

well, you know, I'm going

19:43

with this. Yeah, this is

19:45

an organization that tries to transition unwilling

19:48

regimes to become

19:50

liberal democracies. Can

19:53

I redefined that a little bit?

19:56

It's a CIA front. Well,

19:59

Mike Benz. He was in the

20:01

Trump administration at the State Department. He

20:03

said exactly that. He said to carve

20:05

out for the CIA. And

20:07

other people have said just as

20:09

much. In fact, I

20:12

think it was Ron Dixon at the

20:14

New York Times back when he

20:17

said the NDI was actively fomenting

20:19

protests during the so-called Arab

20:21

Spring. So, by the

20:23

way, these are a good job.

20:25

We know this. I exposed that

20:27

when we were at Fox. We've

20:30

known that from the beginning. It didn't take

20:32

a brain surgeon to figure this out. Then

20:35

when you go into Ukraine and

20:37

see what they were doing and

20:39

the phrases that they were using

20:41

saying, we can spread this now.

20:44

We kind of perfected it in

20:46

the Middle East and we can spread it. And

20:49

that's exactly what we were doing

20:51

in Ukraine. Well,

20:53

precisely. Ukraine, Libya,

20:56

Egypt, Yemen, Tunisia. And

20:58

so, she's kind of not

21:01

a pilgrimage to these toppled regimes.

21:03

In some cases, as they're falling. So

21:06

Rufo notes that she

21:08

goes to Tunisia a couple times.

21:10

She goes to Gazin Tep in

21:12

southern Turkey just as rebels are

21:14

making inroads along the highway between

21:17

Damascus and I believe it was

21:19

Aleppo. And she

21:21

actually said not long ago that she,

21:23

well, she framed the timing differently,

21:26

but she said in the aftermath of

21:28

the revolutions, she was doing research

21:31

on the ground with quote unquote

21:33

human rights activists and independent journalists.

21:36

And so, she's with the NDI. She's

21:38

going to Tunisia. And

21:41

she raised a couple of alarm bells. So

21:43

there's this Tunisian cabinet official.

21:47

And well, he basically,

21:50

he straight out said it's

21:52

a likely case that she

21:54

works for a certain three

21:57

letter agency. And

22:00

You know, a lot of people have been speculating

22:02

about that in recent weeks. So

22:05

what is her, what is her

22:07

background in broadcast and news? Well,

22:12

uh, she deals a lot with

22:14

comms in terms of

22:16

news. She's been critical of

22:18

the ways that governments have weaponized

22:21

their state broadcasters, uh,

22:24

which I think is rich, granted. Right.

22:27

Progressions were career. Yes. But

22:30

what does she, I mean, does she have a background

22:32

in, in news? Is

22:34

she a journalist? Is she, I

22:37

mean, why is she quiet? I mean, I

22:39

see that she's traveled the world, that she's

22:41

with the World Bank and the WEF and,

22:44

and she's been with NGOs and

22:46

she's been around revolutions, but that

22:48

doesn't necessarily scream CEO of

22:51

NPR. Well,

22:53

I think Wikimedia, um, and

22:56

Wikipedia, um, which she ran

22:58

the show for for several years, um, she

23:00

demonstrated her bonafide, yeah, her bonafide.

23:04

And it was, um, under her reign

23:06

that it quickly became clear that this

23:08

was, um, well,

23:11

it's supposed to be a repository for human

23:13

knowledge, right? Right. You know, recently you talked

23:15

about how memory is the

23:17

key to who we are. Well, Wikipedia

23:20

is instrumental to capturing

23:23

and curating that memory for a lot of people.

23:26

So she might not be a journalist, but she

23:28

was very much, well, I

23:30

don't want to suggest there's a causation,

23:33

but she pretends that, you know,

23:35

the Wikipedia editors are working on

23:37

their own, but while she's in

23:39

control, there's very much a narrative

23:41

curation going on, the kind that

23:44

you might want at a

23:46

taxpayer funded, uh, state broadcast.

23:50

Jeez. Okay.

23:52

Um, so the rumor that

23:54

she's with CIA, where did

23:56

that originate? So

23:58

I mentioned she went to. a couple

24:01

times, right? Okay. So this cabinet

24:03

official is named Slim Amamoo. I

24:05

think I'm pronouncing that right. But

24:07

Slim says in 2016 that

24:09

it's a bit of a retrospective. He's looking

24:12

back, and I believe it is

24:14

around the time that she's getting a promotion over

24:16

at Wikipedia. He straight

24:18

up says that she's probably CIA.

24:20

He's not mincing words.

24:23

He says she's come over

24:26

under different affiliations with the

24:28

NDI, with World Bank, with USAID.

24:31

And he suggests – and this is

24:33

going on at Twitter at the time, still call

24:35

that – he

24:37

suggests that she might as well have had

24:39

CIA written on her front. And

24:43

so Slim was in the transitional government. He

24:46

dropped out to protest so-called

24:48

censorship. And he –

24:51

not entirely the top of the food chain,

24:53

but someone you might at least want to

24:56

hear out. And so

24:58

she is prickle by the suggestion. She

25:01

responds saying, I'm no

25:04

sort of agent. You can dislike me,

25:06

but please don't blame me. But

25:09

then that brought even more

25:11

scrutiny, because people took

25:13

notice of the way she framed

25:15

that response. So Christina Pasha, she's

25:17

on the scientist team. She noted,

25:20

for instance, okay, well, you may not have been

25:22

an agent, but you could just as

25:24

well have been an asset. But

25:27

the CIA element, I think, I

25:30

haven't seen any incontrovertible

25:32

proof. It's

25:34

also largely immaterial, because she's

25:37

actually directly worked with the

25:39

Biden administration. She's

25:41

worked with and brushed shoulders with all

25:44

these regime change groups. So

25:47

whether or not she has a

25:49

CIA and a card somewhere tucked

25:51

into her desk, she

25:53

might as well have been. And

25:55

this is part of the group that

25:57

– I mean, Hillary Clinton, in that

25:59

image, infamous clip where she said, we

26:01

came, we saw, he died, and

26:04

laughed about it. I think who

26:06

she was talking to at the time might have

26:08

been Samantha Power, who

26:10

is Cass Sunstein's wife,

26:13

the author of Nudge

26:15

and somebody who knows how to

26:17

nudge people into new positions. But

26:20

Sam now works at USAID.

26:23

She's the head of USAID. So if

26:25

you have the head of

26:28

NPR also working with

26:30

Samantha Power at USAID, that is

26:32

also a CIA front. Well,

26:35

absolutely. And

26:38

I think it was Michael

26:40

Waller in the rueful piece. He's

26:42

a national security analyst. And

26:45

he said he drew that same connection with

26:47

Power and intimated

26:50

that Meyer is

26:52

part of this revolutionary vanguard

26:54

movement. So they're

26:57

all in bed together by the

26:59

looks of it, I should say, a little bit of distance because

27:01

I don't want to mean tweet. And

27:05

then you couple this with her

27:07

public comments. And

27:09

then it lends even more gravity

27:11

to this, well,

27:14

her becoming the head of NPR, which was a

27:16

nanny. Give me some of her public comments

27:18

that I may not know. OK,

27:21

well, I did

27:23

a little bit of a deep dive. A

27:25

lot of these already are circulating. But

27:28

they're all troubling. So for

27:31

instance, in a 2021 interview, and this one has

27:33

caught a lot of people's attention in recent days,

27:36

she described the First Amendment as the

27:38

top challenge in the fight

27:40

against disinformation. So it's a

27:42

challenge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's

27:44

right. It's a challenge because,

27:46

quote, it's a little

27:48

bit tricky to really address some of

27:50

the real challenges of where does bad

27:53

information come from and sort of the

27:55

influence peddlers who have made a

27:57

real market economy around it. And

27:59

by the way. When she started about disinformation,

28:02

she means skepticism of COVID-19

28:04

vaccines, which I know in

28:07

the lead up to the show,

28:09

there was mention that AstraZeneca just

28:11

admitted that has devastating impact.

28:14

Well, so that's disinformation, according to

28:17

the former head of Wikipedia. She

28:19

also climate alarmism. That's that's a no

28:22

fly for her. So

28:24

at an Atlantic Council 2021 event,

28:27

she says Wikipedia isn't

28:30

a free expression platform. And

28:32

so a lot of people are wondering why. She

28:36

suggests it's

28:38

really about creating content that people can have

28:40

confidence in, that they can use

28:42

to make determinations in their lives. And

28:44

so that right to have access to

28:46

high integrity content often sort of trumps

28:48

the right to free speech. Now,

28:51

pair that with the fact

28:54

that she suggests straight

28:56

out in a TED talk

28:58

that, quote, our

29:00

reverence for the truth might be

29:02

a distraction. And it's getting in

29:04

the way of finding common ground and getting things

29:07

done. So I don't know

29:09

who that common ground belongs to, by the way, but

29:11

it certainly isn't free people. Yeah,

29:15

yeah, fantastic. This is the best

29:17

of the Glenn Beck podcast. Find

29:20

more of this interview and other full episodes

29:22

wherever you get your podcasts. Sarah,

29:26

I think I think we need the cannibal

29:28

update. Do we have the cannibal update

29:31

music? Because I

29:33

have been very concerned about cannibalism ever

29:36

since Joe Biden brought it up. And

29:38

I thought cannibalism,

29:40

you know, we all thought it

29:42

was over. But then again, we all thought the Soviet

29:45

Union was over, right? We thought that threat was over.

29:48

Cannibalism is real and

29:52

it's on display. And

29:54

it involves. Well, let

29:57

me show you here is Nancy Pelosi

29:59

in. involved in cannibalism on

30:02

MSNBC. And Joe Biden

30:04

is doing that, created 9 million

30:06

jobs in his tournament office. Donald

30:09

Trump has the worst record of

30:11

job loss of any president. So

30:13

we just have to make sure

30:15

people know. That was a global

30:17

pandemic. He

30:20

had the worst record and is president.

30:22

We've had other concerns in our country.

30:24

If you want to be an apologist

30:26

for Donald Trump, that may be your

30:29

role. But it ain't mine. And he

30:31

has the worst. And we know,

30:33

but let me just say, as

30:35

the Speaker of the House, we

30:37

put forth a $3 trillion bill,

30:39

$3 trillion of investment

30:42

in communities and the rest.

30:44

And that is a kind of... Now

30:48

I don't know which one is in the pot here, which

30:50

one's eating the other, but they are

30:52

eating each other. Cannibalism, another

30:55

update coming soon because it seems

30:57

to be going around now. And

31:00

that's a real problem. Now let's

31:03

do go to Columbia because what

31:06

happened there yesterday was definitely not an

31:08

insurrection. Right, Sue? I mean,

31:11

nothing to see. Definitely not. No

31:13

insurrection there. No, not at all.

31:15

That was just... It was a

31:17

protesters' glum. Those are protesters peacefully

31:20

protesting mostly in

31:22

favor of the rapists and murderers

31:24

in Hamas. That's all. That's all

31:26

that was. Okay. Okay.

31:29

Well, let me show you some things

31:31

that happened. This is in a library

31:33

in Virginia. I

31:39

mean, listen to that noise. The librarian,

31:41

her head exploded immediately. She was

31:43

like, shh. They

31:46

were... Riot police were there.

31:48

They stormed and took over the library

31:50

at the Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond,

31:55

Virginia. And they continued to talk out loud,

31:58

not in whispers. It

32:00

was not good, it was not good. Here

32:02

is from UCLA a Jewish

32:06

student that

32:09

is being blocked from using the main

32:11

entrance. I have my ID right here.

32:14

I mean blocked off, not by the security

32:16

guard, but by you two. You

32:18

three. Oh look, they're making their burrow while I'm going

32:20

this way. This is what they do. Everybody look at

32:22

this, look at this. I'm a

32:24

UCLA student. I deserve to go here. We

32:26

pay tuition. This is our school and

32:29

they're not letting me walk in. My class is over

32:31

there, I want to use that entrance. Will you

32:33

let me go in? This is going

32:35

to be over in a second. Just let me

32:37

and my friends go in. We're

32:40

not engaging. Then you can move.

32:42

Will you move? We're

32:44

not engaging. Okay, we're going. We're

32:48

not engaging. I'm going in. I

32:51

don't, I have my hands up. I'm not hurting them. I'm

32:54

not hurting them. That's what they do. That's

32:57

what they do everybody. You guys are

32:59

promoting aggression. You guys are

33:01

promoting hate. We're UCLA students, we deserve

33:03

to be there. True,

33:06

but he's forgotten all the microaggressions.

33:09

Still, your thoughts. Oh well, I mean

33:12

I think we should give an award to the security

33:14

guard who stands there and does

33:16

absolutely nothing and allows them to block

33:18

this person's progress as he's trying to

33:20

go to class. That's just like wow,

33:23

he should get a Hamas award. Congratulations

33:27

to him. I mean

33:29

that's

33:32

completely unbelievable that they're allowing this to

33:34

go on. And it's

33:36

happening campus after campus after

33:38

campus. Did

33:40

you see the latest polls that

33:43

Americans are for Israel by I

33:45

think it's like 80 percent, something

33:47

like that. For Israel. I

33:49

know. I was talking to

33:51

somebody and they're like oh man, that's good to see because

33:53

you do see in the media a lot of times it

33:55

feels like I don't know this is like some close call

33:57

and Americans are like what is it 75, 20. in

34:00

favor of Israel over Hamas. And

34:03

I said, that's terrible. 75%

34:05

of people, Israel over Hamas? Not

34:10

even like a hidden, oh, the Palestinian people

34:13

or whatever they usually pitch. No,

34:16

this is the actual recognized

34:18

terrorist group was used

34:20

in the poll. This should be 99 to 1. 75%

34:23

sucks for that poll. I

34:29

guess I've just been beaten down so far.

34:31

Yes. Oh,

34:34

that's good. 12 people in America are still

34:36

for the Jews. It's a little

34:38

beaten down by it, you know? Yeah,

34:41

I understand. Just a little bit. Do you

34:43

see what the University of Florida said yesterday?

34:46

That they're not going to tolerate

34:48

it. They are not a preschool. You

34:51

know the rules. You break them, you're out.

34:57

Boy, I can't imagine living in that fascistic society of

34:59

Florida. Can you imagine that? They hold you to the

35:01

rules. You sign, you know, when you sign up for

35:03

school, you read the rule book. You're breaking

35:05

the rules. You're out. Where

35:09

everywhere else, they're negotiating with these people, you

35:11

know? And I just

35:14

think negotiating with terrorists

35:16

is such a smart idea. It's

35:18

so today, you know? So

35:21

open-minded. So

35:23

woke. So great. So

35:26

one of the, I think

35:28

it was Northwestern, negotiated to

35:30

have Palestinians, you

35:33

know, come up and speak on

35:35

campus. So they're going to get

35:37

some, I don't know, Hamas members. Why

35:39

not? I mean, they did it with the Nazis. They

35:42

literally did this exact same thing with the Nazis in

35:44

the 1930s. Why should we

35:46

expect a different outcome? It's the

35:48

same kind of people. The

35:50

same group of people. They're

35:53

fine with that. Totally fine with that. By

35:55

the way, Spielberg is now doing propaganda

35:58

for, you know, the United States. Joe

36:00

Biden. I mean,

36:02

no, he's not. He's just, he's

36:05

looking into ways, it's not propaganda,

36:07

he's looking in ways to enhance

36:09

the president's message and

36:11

help that message get out like

36:13

Nancy Pelosi just did. I love

36:16

that. She was shocked when somebody in

36:18

the media turned around and said, it

36:20

was a pandemic, but that's what everybody

36:22

says. Play that again. That's what everybody

36:24

says to their television when they hear

36:26

that stat. Everybody says that. And

36:30

Joe Biden is doing that, created 9 million

36:32

jobs in his tournament office. Donald

36:35

Trump has the worst record of

36:37

job loss of any president. So

36:39

we just have to make sure

36:41

people know. That was a global

36:43

pandemic. He

36:46

had the worst record of any president.

36:48

We've had other concerns in our country.

36:51

If you want to be an apologist

36:53

for Donald Trump, that may be your

36:55

role, but it ain't mine. She doesn't

36:58

have any real comeback for it. No,

37:00

she has never been challenged on that.

37:02

She's literally stunned in that moment that

37:04

someone's done point out to her the

37:06

most obvious thing in the world that

37:08

every single voter understands. And this is

37:10

showing up in the polls like crazy

37:13

that people don't even look at the

37:15

pandemic as part of Trump's economy. They

37:17

don't, they don't judge it that way.

37:19

They look at it and they say,

37:21

well, it was doing really well before

37:23

this really terrible thing that happened. We

37:26

obviously a lot of jobs

37:28

were lost and obviously the

37:31

American people want to coming back to work after

37:34

it was over and Biden's trying to take credit

37:36

for all that. And what the most fascinating part

37:38

about this is if you're going to criticize Trump

37:40

on his performance in the economy when it comes

37:42

to the pandemic, you're going to hit him on

37:45

the shutdowns, right? Like he was in favor of

37:47

the shutdowns early, which, okay,

37:49

I think that's a fair criticism. Certainly from

37:51

the right, it's a fair criticism. However, the

37:53

Democrats supported every single one of those policies

37:55

and tried to drag out the shutdowns for

37:58

another year and a half after Trump's supporting

38:00

them. So there's absolutely no

38:02

argument whatsoever. Everybody knows,

38:05

everyone remembers COVID-19.

38:07

Everyone remembers the period, everyone remembers being

38:09

told they couldn't go to work anymore

38:11

for a few months. Everybody

38:13

remembers this and the fact they keep trying

38:16

to pitch this is so insultingly stupid that

38:18

Katie Tour can't even let it happen on

38:20

MSNBC and she's called

38:22

a Trump apologist for it. Katie

38:24

Tour, she's not a

38:27

conservative, she's not even

38:31

anywhere close to that. She can't stand Donald

38:34

Trump. She's embarrassed by the point

38:40

that Nancy Pelosi is making. She

38:42

feels the internal pull to, she

38:44

has to point it out, it's

38:46

such a stupid point and

38:48

I feel like I actually Glenn have a

38:50

bit of sympathy for certain Democrats in

38:52

these moments. We're like, you know

38:54

Katie Tour, who's obviously not no conservative, is

38:57

like, what do you mean a

38:59

Trump apologist? Look at what I've, look at

39:02

my record. I've done nothing but bash Trump

39:04

for years and years and years and years.

39:06

The same thing with Joe Biden. He's being

39:08

criticized as genocide Joe. He's done so much

39:10

to hurt the Jews. Why are you, why

39:12

are you, he's done so

39:15

much to ruin their

39:17

ability to kill terrorists

39:20

and stop their people from being raped. He's

39:22

done so much, he's contributed so much to

39:24

this cause and these protesters won't give him

39:26

credit for it. I think,

39:28

I personally think that this is

39:30

genocide Joe is, it's better to

39:33

call him genocide Joe from our

39:35

side than their side. He's

39:38

been funding the Iranians who

39:40

wanted genocide on all the

39:43

Jews. He is

39:45

genocide Joe. They're just mixed up

39:47

on who he wants to help

39:49

kill. By the way, this

39:51

is what you would call propaganda. What

39:53

happened on MSNBC

39:56

with Nancy Pelosi is propaganda and

39:58

she was shocked. That there

40:00

was somebody supposedly on her side that

40:02

would not play the game. I

40:06

Don't know if you saw the the

40:09

only fans star Farah

40:11

Khalidi Do

40:13

we have the audio of her she

40:15

she was yesterday doing an interview and

40:19

she is You

40:21

know, she's a big influencer on tick-tock and

40:24

here's what she talked about I

40:26

started to talk like the spring semester of

40:29

my senior year and I was like I finally have to

40:31

start applying for law school And then like, you

40:33

know female privilege life is so easy for a

40:35

woman. Obviously I lucked out I'm just kidding. I

40:37

lucked out and then you know, tick-tock was basically

40:39

full-time for me I think I was taking ads

40:42

by the time I graduated college from like the

40:44

Biden administration and Planned Parenthood and like dating apps

40:46

and Stuff so it was like fully financially, you

40:48

know, so you were getting the Biden administration was buying ads

40:50

from you Yeah, I was doing full-on

40:53

political propaganda and they would just they really

40:55

would like what kind of like Biden created a

40:57

million jobs Yeah, yeah, honestly and the funny thing

40:59

is they're like do not disclose This is an ad

41:01

because you know, they're like tango leaves on a product.

41:03

You don't have to disclose It's not because I think

41:05

they just wanted like Edgy girl

41:07

of color to just tell people like when they nominated like

41:09

a Tanji Brown Jacks and they're like Can you say like

41:11

as a person of color, you know that you feel reflected

41:14

and it's like a white woman emailing this to me And

41:16

she's like giving me this script and I'm like no and

41:18

she's like please and I'm like no I'll say I'll like

41:20

talk about the news of it But I'm not gonna be

41:22

like I'm not gonna have a white person tell me to

41:24

be like, you know This is how I feel as a

41:26

person of color Like it's just so I think

41:29

that black sold me slightly on like, you know

41:31

political propaganda So the Biden administration sees

41:33

oh, here's this young Like

41:36

a conduit it's not like, you know, I mean it's not Biden

41:38

but it's um, it's like it's like a third

41:40

party You know, I mean it's like a media

41:42

company that's doing it on his behalf. I'm not

41:45

blaming him for this And the message

41:47

is like because you're a dark-skinned woman

41:49

you will be inspired by Kataji Brown

41:51

Jackson and all the Reporter. Yeah, they're

41:53

like basically as like another black person just say that

41:56

look you feel reflected by Kataji I'm

41:58

like, no, I'll talk about like Kataji's background and her

42:00

accomplishments were like I never, you know what I

42:02

mean? Like I'll never, I'm not going to say like the corny stuff,

42:04

even if it was a brown person emailing it to me, I'm like,

42:06

no, that's not like how I feel. Like I don't look at like

42:08

Katana and feel like, wow. Yeah. Hmm.

42:12

Yeah. Yeah. You

42:14

know what caught me there was

42:16

it's not officially a product. So

42:19

you don't have to disclose that

42:21

it's an ad. Uh,

42:25

first of all, I don't know if that's true. By

42:27

the way. Yeah. First of

42:29

all. I don't think that's true. Second

42:32

of all, um, uh,

42:35

notice that, uh, she

42:37

went along with it. She said,

42:40

well, yeah, but I'm not going to

42:42

say the things they wanted me to

42:45

say. I'll talk about those things, but

42:47

I'm not, well, no, you're, you're still

42:49

engaged in what you know to be

42:51

propaganda. And you

42:53

were fine with that. Does

42:56

anybody feel betrayed? Is anybody worried?

43:00

Where, where is the, where is the

43:02

precious news media? Can you imagine if

43:05

I were doing that and Donald

43:07

Trump through surrogates was paying me

43:10

to talk about certain things that he had

43:12

done and then

43:15

wanted me to say, you know, and I really

43:17

feel validated by this. I really do. Cause you

43:20

know, he likes white people and

43:22

I'm a white person. And so I really

43:24

feel validated by that. And I didn't tell

43:26

you that he was paying me to say

43:28

that. It's grotesque for me to say that

43:31

if he, even if he weren't

43:33

paying me, but if he's

43:35

paying me and I don't tell you what

43:39

is wrong with our country. It's amazing.

43:41

If you can't trust Farha

43:43

Khalidi, who can

43:46

you trust? Can you trust? Well,

43:49

I mean, what's the difference between what Steven Spielberg

43:51

is now doing for the white house? Spielberg

43:54

is now helping

43:56

him orchestrate propaganda.

44:00

orchestrate how

44:02

to lie to the American people

44:05

and pull it off. What is

44:07

the difference? Does

44:09

nobody on the left care about the truth anymore? I

44:14

think the average Democrat does care about the

44:16

truth, but the left certainly doesn't.

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