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He has it is welcome to the Glenn

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This is what happens if you do your

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homework. This is what happens if you apply

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yourself you the be one of the two

2:16

people. First let me ask you still what

2:18

he egg the big story of the day

2:20

As I would say of the big story

2:22

we have did Columbia. maybe the occupation of

2:24

Columbia. And you

2:27

know I mean I've by the way

2:29

that what is his I wanted to

2:31

know. Not not an insurrection of Columbia

2:33

not only will not years now with

2:35

Molly Way wasn't even the darkest darkest

2:38

day in our history since Maternal Monday

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Razo it was a was nothing know

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nothing to see their but kids I

2:44

just once you know this is why

2:47

Stews.in all of fame And I am

2:49

because the biggest story. Is

2:52

about cannibalism? Of yes Now the

2:54

President gave this cockamamie story about

2:57

cannibalism. You know his uncle was

2:59

eaten by cannibals. I don't think

3:01

any of that is true. Ah,

3:03

and even you know by doing

3:05

so he he put our longstanding

3:07

friendship with nudity. In Jeopardy.

3:10

I mean, that's that's hard to do what he did

3:12

it. Cannibalism. It's.

3:15

Actually happening and I will. So you

3:17

happening and Watson I will show you

3:19

the evidence of it in sixty seconds.

3:22

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4:42

I think we need the cannibal

4:44

update. Do we have the cannibal

4:47

update music? Because

4:49

I have been very concerned about

4:51

cannibalism ever since Joe Biden brought

4:53

it up and I thought cannibalism,

4:57

you know, we all thought it

4:59

was over but then again we all thought the Soviet

5:01

Union was over, right? We thought that threat was over.

5:06

Cannibalism is real and

5:08

it's on display and

5:11

it involves, well, let

5:13

me show you. Here is Nancy Pelosi

5:16

involved in cannibalism on

5:19

MSNBC. And Joe Biden

5:21

is doing that, created 9 million

5:23

jobs in his tournament office. Donald

5:25

Trump has the worst record of

5:27

job loss of any president. So

5:30

we just have to make sure

5:32

people know. That was a global

5:34

pandemic. He

5:37

had the worst record and his president. We've

5:39

had other concerns in our country. If you

5:41

want to be an apologist for Donald Trump,

5:44

that may be your role. But it ain't

5:46

mine and he has the worst. We

5:49

know, but let me just say, as

5:51

the Speaker of the House, we put

5:54

forth a $3 trillion bill, $3

5:57

trillion of investment in communities.

6:00

and the rest and that is a constant I

6:04

mean now I don't know which one is in

6:06

the pot here which one's eating the other but

6:08

they are eating each other so cannibalism Another

6:11

update coming soon because it seems

6:14

to be going around now And

6:17

that's a real problem problem now Let's

6:20

do go to Colombia because it

6:22

was what happened there yesterday was

6:24

definitely not an insurrection, right? So

6:26

I mean definitely not gonna see no

6:29

insurrection there. No, not at all. That

6:31

was it was a protesters Glenn. Those

6:33

are protesters peacefully

6:35

protesting mostly the

6:39

Favor of the rapists and murderers in

6:41

Hamas. That's all that's all that was

6:44

Okay. Okay. Well, let

6:46

me show you some things that that happened.

6:48

This is in a library in Virginia

6:55

I mean listen to that noise the librarian her

6:57

head exploded immediately. She was like They

7:03

were riot police were there they they

7:05

stormed and took over the library at

7:07

the Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Virginia

7:09

and They

7:13

continued to talk out loud not in

7:15

whispers and it was

7:17

not good. It was not good here is

7:19

from UCLA a Jewish

7:23

student That

7:25

is being blocked from using the main

7:28

entrance. I have my ID right here

7:30

I mean blocked off not by the

7:32

shooting of it by you two you three.

7:35

Oh, look, they're making their burr Well, I'm going

7:37

this way. This is what they do everybody. Look

7:39

at this. Look at this. I'm

7:41

a UCLA student I deserve to go here.

7:43

We pay tuition. This is our school and

7:45

they're not letting me walk in my classes over there I

7:47

want to use that entrance. Well, I can't think what you

7:50

let me go in This could

7:52

be over in a second. Just let me and

7:54

my friends go in the class Then

7:59

you can move what you

8:01

move okay we're going

8:04

I'm not engaging I'm going in

8:07

I don't have my hands are I'm not hurting them

8:11

I'm not hurting them that's what they

8:13

do that's what they do everybody you

8:15

guys are promoting aggression you

8:17

guys are promoting hate where you feel

8:19

like since we deserve to be there true

8:23

but he's forgotten all the microaggressions still

8:25

your thoughts oh well I mean I

8:27

think that I think we should give

8:29

an award to the security guard who

8:32

stands there and does absolutely nothing and

8:34

allows them to block this person's progress

8:36

as he's trying to go to class

8:38

that's just like wow you know he

8:40

should get a Hamas award congratulations

8:43

to him I mean

8:46

that's completely I

8:49

completely unbelievable that they're allowing this

8:51

to go on and it's happening

8:53

in you know campus after campus

8:57

did you see the latest polls that

8:59

Americans are for Israel by I think

9:02

it's like 80% something

9:04

like that and or Israel I know I was

9:06

just talking to somebody like oh man that's it's

9:08

good to see because you do see in the

9:10

media a lot of times it feels like I

9:13

don't know this is like some close call and

9:15

Americans are like what is it 75 25

9:18

in favor of Israel Israel over Hamas and I said that's

9:21

terrible 75% of

9:24

people Israel over

9:26

Hamas not even like a hidden

9:29

oh the Palestinian people or whatever

9:31

they usually pitch no this is

9:33

the actual recognized terrorist

9:35

group was used in the poll this

9:37

should be 99 to 1 75%

9:42

sucks for that poll I

9:46

guess I guess I've just been beaten

9:48

down so far I guess like oh

9:50

that's good 12 people in America are still

9:52

for the Jews it's a little

9:56

beaten down by you know I am a little bit

9:59

do you see what University of Florida

10:01

said yesterday that

10:04

they're not going to tolerate it. They are

10:06

not a preschool. You know

10:08

the rules. You break them, you're out. Boy,

10:14

I can't imagine living in that fascistic society of

10:16

Florida. Can you imagine that? They hold you to

10:18

the rules. You sign, you know, when you sign

10:20

up for school, you read the rule book. You're

10:23

breaking the rules, you're out. They're

10:26

everywhere else. They're negotiating with these

10:28

people, you know. And I

10:30

just think negotiating with

10:32

terrorists is such a smart

10:34

idea. It's so

10:37

today, you know, so

10:39

open-minded, so woke, so

10:41

great. So one

10:43

of the, I think it

10:46

was Northwestern, negotiated to have

10:48

Palestinians, you know, come up

10:51

and speak on campus. So they're going

10:53

to get some, I don't know,

10:55

Hamas members. Why not? I mean, they did it

10:57

with the Nazis. They literally did this exact

10:59

same thing with the Nazis in the 1930s. Why

11:02

should we expect a different outcome? It's

11:05

the same kind of people, the

11:07

same group of people. They're

11:10

fine with that. Totally fine with that. By

11:12

the way, Spielberg is now

11:14

doing propaganda for Joe

11:17

Biden. I mean, no,

11:19

he's not. He's

11:22

looking into ways, it's not propaganda, he's

11:24

looking in ways to enhance the president's

11:26

message and help that message

11:29

get out like Nancy Pelosi just did.

11:31

I love that. She

11:33

was shocked when somebody in the media turned

11:36

around and said, it was a pandemic, but that's

11:38

what everybody says. Play that again. That's

11:40

what everybody says to their television when

11:42

they hear that stat. Everybody

11:44

says that. And

11:46

Joe Biden is doing that, created

11:49

nine million jobs in his tournament

11:51

office. Donald Trump has the worst

11:53

record of job loss of any

11:55

president. So we just have to

11:58

make sure people know. was a

12:00

global pandemic. He

12:03

had the worst record of any president.

12:05

We've had other concerns in our country.

12:07

If you want to be an apologist

12:09

for Donald Trump, that may be your

12:12

role, but it ain't mine. She doesn't

12:14

have any real comeback for it. No.

12:17

She has never been challenged on that.

12:19

She's literally stunned in that moment that

12:21

someone would point out to her the

12:23

most obvious thing in the world that

12:25

every single voter understands. And this is

12:27

showing up in the polls like crazy

12:30

that people don't even look at the

12:32

pandemic as part of Trump's economy. They

12:34

don't judge it that way. They look

12:36

at it and they say, well, it

12:38

was doing really well before this really

12:40

terrible thing that happened. Obviously,

12:43

a lot of jobs were lost and

12:45

obviously the American

12:48

people want to coming back to work after it

12:51

was over and Biden's trying to take credit for

12:53

all that. And what the most fascinating part about

12:55

this is if you're going to criticize Trump on

12:57

his performance in the economy when it comes to

12:59

the pandemic, you're going to hit him on the

13:02

shutdowns, right? Like he was in favor of the

13:04

shutdowns early, which okay. I

13:06

think that's a fair criticism. Certainly from the

13:08

right, it's a fair criticism. However, the Democrats

13:10

supported every single one of those policies and

13:12

tried to drag out the shutdowns for another

13:15

year and a half after Trump stopped supporting

13:17

them. So there's absolutely no

13:19

argument whatsoever. Everybody knows

13:22

everyone remembers COVID-19.

13:24

Everyone remembers the period. Everyone remembers being told

13:27

they couldn't go to work anymore for a

13:29

few months. Everybody remembers this and

13:31

the fact that they keep trying to pitch this

13:33

is so insultingly stupid that Katie tour can't even

13:35

let it happen on MSNBC and she's called

13:39

a Trump apologist for it.

13:41

She's not a conservative. No,

13:44

she's not even anywhere close

13:49

to that. She can't stand Donald Trump.

13:51

She can't stand him. She's embarrassed by

13:56

The point that Nancy Pelosi is making. She feels

13:58

that the end. Total pole

14:00

to she has to point out it's

14:02

such a stupid points and I feel

14:04

as I actually going to have a

14:06

bit of sympathy for certain democrats in

14:08

these in these moments. Where. Like

14:11

Katie to her who's obviously not know

14:13

conservative. Is. Like. Would.

14:15

Be a Trump apologist. Look at what I

14:17

look at my record. I've done nothing but

14:20

Best from for years and years and years

14:22

and years. The same thing with Joe Biden.

14:24

He's been criticized as Genocide Joe. He's done

14:26

so much to hurt the Jews. Why are

14:29

you one. Zero

14:34

Other A bureau yeah, kill terrorists and

14:36

stop people from being raped. He's done

14:39

so much is considered so much to

14:41

this cause and he's protesters mortgage credit

14:43

for it. I. Think I

14:45

personally think that this is genocide.

14:47

Joe is it's It's better to

14:49

call him genocide jokes from our

14:51

side than their side. He's

14:54

been funding the Arabians who wanted

14:57

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14:59

or he's he is dead inside

15:01

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15:04

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15:06

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Station ID. Welcome

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to the Glenn Beck program. We're glad that you

17:28

are listening. I don't know if you saw the

17:32

OnlyFans star Farah

17:34

Khalidi. Do

17:36

we have the audio of her? She

17:38

was yesterday doing an interview and she

17:42

is a big influencer on TikTok.

17:46

And here's what she talked about.

17:49

I started TikTok like the spring semester

17:51

of my senior year and I was like, f***, I finally

17:53

have to start applying for law school. And then like, you

17:56

know, female privilege, life is so easy for a woman. Obviously,

17:59

I lucked out. I'm just kidding. I lucked

18:01

out and then TikTok was basically full-time for

18:03

me. I was taking ads by the time

18:05

I graduated college from the Biden administration and

18:07

Planned Parenthood and dating apps and stuff. So

18:09

it was fully financially sustained. So

18:12

you were getting the Biden administration was buying ads from you?

18:14

Yeah, I was doing full-on political propaganda. And

18:16

they would just, really, what kind of Biden

18:18

created 10 million jobs? Yeah,

18:21

honestly. And the funny thing is they're like, do not

18:23

disclose this is an ad because they're like, technically it's

18:25

not a product, so you don't have to disclose it's

18:27

an ad because I think they just wanted like

18:29

some edgy girl of color to just

18:31

tell people like when they nominated like Katanji Brown-Jacks

18:33

and they're like, can you say like as a

18:35

person of color, you know, that you feel

18:38

reflected and it's like a white woman emailing this to me and

18:40

she's like giving me this script and I'm like, no. And she's

18:42

like, please. And I'm like, no, I'll say I'll like talk about

18:44

the news of it, but I'm not going to be like, I'm

18:46

not going to have a white person tell me to be like,

18:48

you know, this is how I feel as a person of color.

18:50

Like it's just so I think that

18:52

black sold me slightly on like, you know,

18:54

political propaganda. And then the Biden administration

18:56

sees, oh, here's this young, yeah,

18:58

I mean, he's like a conduit. It's not like,

19:01

you know what I mean? It's not Biden, but

19:03

it's it's like a it's like a third party.

19:05

You know what I mean? It's like a media

19:07

company that's doing it on his behalf. I'm not

19:09

blaming him for this. Yeah. And the message is

19:11

like, because you're a dark skinned woman, you will

19:13

be inspired by Kataji Brown-Jacks said in all the

19:15

cases of order. Yeah. They're like basically as like another

19:17

black person just say that, like you feel reflected by Katanji.

19:19

I'm like, no, I'll talk about like Katanji's background and her

19:22

accomplishments. Like I never, you know what I mean? Like I'll

19:24

never I'm not going to say like the corny stuff, even

19:26

if it was a brown person emailing it to me, I'm

19:28

like, no, that's not like how I feel. Like I don't

19:30

look at like Katanji and feel like, wow.

19:34

Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. You

19:37

know what caught me there was

19:39

it's not officially a product. So

19:41

you don't have to disclose that

19:44

it's an ad. First

19:48

of all, I don't know if that's true. First

19:52

of all, I don't think that's true.

19:55

Second of all, notice

19:59

that And she went along with

20:01

it. She said, well, yeah,

20:04

but I'm not going to say the things they

20:06

wanted me to say. I'll talk about those things.

20:09

But I'm not, well, no, you're

20:11

still engaged in what you know

20:13

to be propaganda. And

20:16

you were fine with that. You

20:20

know the reason why I always say this

20:22

half hour brought you by or our sponsor

20:24

this half hour or something like that, because

20:26

I never ever want you to think that

20:29

I am scamming you somehow or

20:31

another, that one part of the conversation

20:33

leads into something else. And sometimes it

20:35

does. And it just happens to be

20:37

a well placed ad. But

20:39

I will always say this is a

20:42

commercial. This is an ad. This is

20:44

a sponsor. Because

20:46

when that happens and you figure it

20:48

out, you

20:51

feel betrayed. I

20:53

know this because I know I feel that way. Oh, wait

20:55

a minute. How much of this thing was a damn commercial?

20:58

How much of it does he really believe and how much is

21:00

he being paid for? Well, in

21:02

my case, I believe my sponsors.

21:05

I reject more than I accept. How

21:11

do people I mean, you're an only fan. So you

21:13

know, you're just like, get to it.

21:15

I don't really care. But

21:19

does anybody feel betrayed? Is

21:21

anybody worried? Where

21:26

is the precious news media? Can you imagine

21:29

if I were doing that and

21:31

Donald Trump, through surrogates, was paying

21:33

me to talk about

21:35

certain things that he had done and then

21:39

wanted me to say, you know, and I really

21:41

feel validated by this. I really do because, you

21:44

know, he likes white people and

21:46

I'm a white person. And so I really

21:49

feel validated by that. And I didn't tell

21:51

you that he was paying me to say

21:53

that it's grotesque for me to say that

21:55

if you even if he weren't

21:57

paying me. saying

22:00

me and I don't tell you what

22:03

is wrong with our country. It's amazing.

22:05

If you can't trust Farha

22:08

Khalidi, who can

22:10

you trust? Who can you trust? Who can you

22:13

trust? Well, I mean, what's the difference between what

22:15

Steven Spielberg is now doing for the White House?

22:18

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a couple of weeks ago, there

24:16

was a Greek Orthodox bishop that

24:19

was stabbed while blessing the sacrament

24:21

during his Mass. He

24:26

was stabbed by a Muslim man and

24:28

stabbed in the face and in the eye. We

24:32

didn't know how he was faring. We knew

24:34

that he was going to recover shortly thereafter,

24:37

but he is back at work. Now, let me

24:40

refresh your memory on who this guy

24:42

is. We welcome Pat Gray from Pat Gray Unleashed

24:44

into the studio. If

24:46

you remember, this is the guy, well,

24:49

play the incident because it was broadcast

24:51

live. He was

24:53

stabbed in the head, Allah Akbar.

25:06

Now, they wanted

25:09

this removed because it

25:11

was causing people to

25:13

look at the Islamic

25:15

extremism and say, hey, this is a

25:17

problem. The government didn't want anything to

25:19

do with that. So they

25:21

told the media, they

25:24

told TikTok, they told Facebook,

25:29

Google, have it all removed, YouTube, have

25:31

all of this removed. Well, X wouldn't

25:34

because, you know, T'ilama said this

25:37

is history and you have a right

25:39

to see this. Well, the

25:41

government came bearing down on him, listened

25:44

to this from their prime minister. Well,

25:46

this guy is showing his arrogance. He's

25:50

a billionaire over there in the

25:52

United States who thinks he's above Australian

25:54

law. And the idea that someone would

25:56

go to court for

25:58

the right to. put

26:00

up violent content on

26:02

a platform shows

26:04

how out of touch Mr Musk

26:07

is. Stop. It's not violent content.

26:09

It is history. It's history.

26:13

Now listen to the senator from Australia

26:15

saying the same thing about Elon Musk.

26:18

This isn't about freedom of speech. No, no,

26:20

no. Next one. And most Australians have... Do

26:25

you have the next one, the senator? If not,

26:27

no big deal. Okay. Now,

26:30

Marmari, Bishop Marmari has

26:32

returned and

26:35

he gave his sermon cut five. Listen

26:37

to this. I

26:40

say to our beloved

26:42

the Australian government and

26:48

our beloved Prime Minister, the

26:51

Honorable Mr Albanese. I

26:58

believe in one thing and

27:02

that is the integrity

27:07

and the identity of the human being. This

27:12

is my belief

27:16

and this is above all my

27:18

Christian belief. For

27:21

this human identity, this

27:23

human integrity is a

27:25

God-given gift. No one else.

27:31

Every human being has

27:34

the right to

27:36

the freedom of speech and

27:38

freedom of religion. Every

27:41

human being. The

27:43

Buddhists have the right to express

27:45

their belief. The

27:48

Hindus have the right to express their

27:50

beliefs. The Muslims

27:52

have the right to express their beliefs.

27:55

The atheists have the

27:57

right to express their beliefs. Also,

28:00

the Christians have the right

28:03

to express their beliefs. And

28:09

for us to

28:11

say that free speech

28:14

is dangerous, that

28:17

free speech cannot

28:19

be possible in a democratic

28:22

country, I'm

28:25

yet to fathom this. I'm

28:28

yet to fathom this. We

28:33

should be able as civilized

28:35

human beings, as

28:38

intellectuals, we should

28:41

be able to

28:43

criticize, to

28:45

speak, and maybe

28:47

at some certain times

28:49

we may sound or

28:52

we may come across offensive to

28:54

somewhat degree. But

28:57

we should be able to say,

28:59

I should not worry for

29:02

my life to be exposed

29:05

to threat or

29:07

to be taken away. His

29:11

sermons are so clear on

29:14

what we're facing with good versus evil. This

29:17

is one of the reasons why they wanted

29:19

this swept. They don't want to make him

29:21

even bigger than he already is in Australia.

29:24

Because he is saying the things that

29:26

anybody who understands freedom believes

29:29

in. One last clip and then

29:31

I'd like to get Pat's thoughts on this. One

29:34

last, this is the first part of his

29:36

sermon. Cut four. Listen

29:39

to this. This message to the attacker. I'll say it again. This

29:44

young man who did this act almost

29:47

two weeks ago, I

29:49

say to you, my dear, you

29:52

are my son and

29:55

you will always be my son. I

29:59

will always help you. I'll

30:01

always wish you nothing but the first. I

30:04

pray that My Lord and Savior

30:06

Jesus Christ Of Nazareth. Lives

30:10

in your hearts and minds

30:12

of their song or inspired

30:14

me to realize my the

30:16

there is only one god

30:19

for article that the creator

30:21

of all high and everything

30:23

else that is visible and

30:25

invisible. And. I say

30:27

we have some of love. Dot

30:32

is Jesus Christ. In

30:34

and. Money on

30:36

my son, my and some more

30:38

knows it is coming from the

30:41

minimum. All. along with.

30:45

Ever mosque this ad. In

30:48

the name of my Jesus I

30:51

succeed you. I

30:53

love and I will always vote.

30:56

For me, it's. Priceless

31:00

gift. That

31:03

I am not worthy of praise.

31:05

The movie sets, That's

31:09

what safe should be

31:11

teaching all of us.

31:14

That's. What our religion should be

31:16

teaching us to stand up. Against.

31:19

On righteous power. But

31:21

also, forgive those who hate

31:23

you so much. they'll kill

31:26

you. That's

31:28

a remarkable, remarkable man. I

31:30

in no Australia better Christian

31:33

and I am. I don't

31:35

suits. Two weeks later I'd

31:37

be signal same things. I.

31:40

Really? don't I get my he was harboring

31:42

a little bit of ill will still toward

31:44

him. I take me a little longer than

31:46

two weeks and are no. Ah,

31:49

Yes, I am derail you I'm I'm

31:51

always surprised at the number of people

31:53

who you know a drunk driver will

31:55

kill their child or anything else and

31:57

else you know I would have a

31:59

hard the with my children than with

32:01

me. Ah, Ha

32:03

just or he would be so

32:06

hard and I'm always amazed at

32:08

those people. Like the Amish that

32:11

the guy came in and slaughtered

32:13

all of their children in school.

32:15

he was a milk truck driver,

32:18

lived in town, walked in, lost

32:20

his marbles, shot all of their

32:22

children and while they were all

32:25

gathered around the school their bodies

32:27

still being pulled out. The family

32:30

somebody said to the army's oh

32:32

my gosh. His wife.

32:35

Were not the only ones that

32:37

lost somebody, his wife and child

32:39

or at home. Probably.

32:41

Scared to death and imagine being

32:43

that woman standing in that house

32:46

knowing that your husband's just killed

32:48

all these almost children and you

32:50

see coming up your sidewalk all

32:52

these are my parents gave see

32:54

knocks on the door where they

32:56

knock on the door they opened

32:59

it up and said you are

33:01

sister we forgive your husband and

33:03

you had nothing to do with

33:05

this. They not only forgive her

33:07

and comfort her but they refuse

33:09

a her. Me: You

33:11

know in a in a nice way to

33:14

refuse her from leaving. They did they say

33:16

to her you are now part of our

33:18

family. The. Rebuild part of

33:20

her house. I mean this

33:22

is amazing when people forgive.

33:25

Yeah. I the Bible tells you to

33:27

be like Jesus doesn't necessitate can be easy.

33:30

Or. ninety four sigma he gets do your

33:32

best sick how to act like this

33:34

guy probably not going to be they've

33:36

been piece of cake f you've been

33:38

stabbed in the eye balls right yeah

33:40

that size amazing that people can find

33:42

that strengthen those moments maybe it's a

33:44

hit to us when we get in

33:46

a weird a little annoyed at somebody

33:48

online than me be abandoning all of

33:51

our principles get that right retort in

33:53

is not the right approach let me

33:55

when he play one more piece i

33:57

want to talk about this later maybe

33:59

tomorrow but But Russell Brand was baptized

34:01

over the weekend. Listen

34:03

to what he said about his baptism. As

34:06

a person that has in the past

34:08

taken many, many substances and always been

34:11

disappointed with their inability to deliver the

34:13

kind of tranquility and peace and even

34:15

transcendence I always felt I've been looking

34:17

for something occurred in

34:19

the process of baptism that was

34:22

incredible overwhelming, literally overwhelming because I

34:24

was obviously underwater and it was

34:26

the River Thames at some point.

34:30

So I felt change

34:32

transitioned. Now of course even though it's been

34:34

less than 24 hours in the interim period

34:36

I've already felt like sort of irritation.

34:39

I've got three children, I've got a job, I've

34:41

got challenges, I still live in the world but

34:43

I feel as if some new resource within me

34:46

has switched on. So many

34:48

of your comments have been so beautiful and encouraging

34:50

and I really appreciate it and also even the

34:52

cynicism I understand because some people will just see

34:54

me as a celebrity. I don't see me as

34:57

a celebrity because I was me when I was

34:59

a little boy, I was me when I was

35:01

a junkie, I was me when I was poor.

35:03

I've been me in all of the different phases

35:06

but I recognise that anything in this terrain in

35:08

the social media world could be exploited and utilised.

35:11

For me I've made the

35:13

decision and I know what the decision

35:15

is. I've made it for myself and

35:17

I pray that it will be relevant

35:19

to my family in particular, my children,

35:21

my wife's Catholic, you know she's already

35:23

made her own choices in this life

35:25

including this one. This

35:27

is new for me, I'm learning and I

35:30

will make mistakes but this is my path

35:32

now and I already feel incredibly

35:36

blessed, relieved, nourished,

35:38

held. Pat

35:42

was the one who baptised me in

35:44

the waters and I felt exactly the

35:46

same as Russell Brand and he's going

35:48

to make mistakes just like I

35:50

continue to make mistakes to this day. You're

35:56

still a human being but it is a

35:58

powerful, powerful, powerful, powerful, powerful. powerful

36:00

thing that changed my life, I

36:03

think, overnight. How long did it

36:05

take you, Pat, to see the

36:07

changes in me? Oh, it was,

36:09

yeah, it was definitely fast

36:12

after your baptism. Definitely fast. And

36:14

I know people back then

36:16

that thought, oh, he's just doing this. He's

36:18

just trying to, you know, exactly what

36:20

they're saying about Russell Brand. The

36:23

change in him has been astounding though, hasn't

36:25

it? I mean, he has been. He was

36:27

despicable. I couldn't stand to listen to the

36:29

guy 15 years ago. And

36:32

now look at him. Not

36:34

only has he changed religiously,

36:37

spiritually, but politically too. He's

36:40

pretty listenable now. I

36:42

mean, I will tell you, which

36:46

direction would you rather go down? The

36:49

direction where Russell Brand has changed that

36:51

much and he's much more of a

36:53

peaceful individual wants to, you know,

36:57

hear other sides, understand people.

37:00

He loves people or

37:02

the Russell Brand that he was before. You

37:05

know, would you rather be on the Russell Brand path

37:07

or the one that is happening on our campuses, the

37:10

ones that are society, wokeness,

37:14

the high priests of the universities,

37:16

the gods that are in

37:19

the White House and the administration

37:21

and Congress, that they think they are

37:23

the one that leads

37:26

you to happiness. It's

37:29

amazingly simple, the

37:31

choice, but amazingly, not everybody

37:36

is seeing that, but more and more

37:38

are. And for that, praise

37:40

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44:54

America. Yesterday, a video

44:57

was released of an interview with

44:59

Tucker Carlson and Alexander Dugan. A

45:03

guy that I have said for years

45:05

is one of, if not the most

45:07

dangerous man on the planet. He

45:11

is the architect of the

45:14

friendship now with Russia and Iran.

45:17

He is the architect of the

45:19

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45:21

man who believes he can hasten the return of

45:23

the promised one. Meaning, let's

45:26

get to the apocalypse quickly.

45:30

He believes that capitalism is,

45:33

what did he say? I want

45:35

to get him exactly right. Capitalism

45:38

is a virus.

45:42

And he believes the United States of

45:44

America is the anti-Christ. Now,

45:47

none of that came up in

45:49

the very short interview with Tucker

45:51

Carlson. Why? Because Carlson was offered

45:53

this interview and if I

45:55

were Tucker Carlson, I would have taken it as well.

46:00

It's very rare that you find somebody

46:02

very rare that you find somebody who

46:04

really knows who? Alexander

46:06

Dugan is he talks a

46:08

great game. I think he has He

46:12

has crystallized the problems

46:15

In such a fashion that even I will

46:17

listen to him and go yep. He's right.

46:19

Yep. He's right It's

46:22

his solutions to the problem That's

46:26

what Tucker did not get to because it

46:29

was only a short 20-minute interview Dugan's

46:31

very good at this So

46:33

it is important before you watch

46:35

this interview or if you've already

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watched it that you understand who

46:39

Alexander Dugan is Because

46:42

this is a massive trap

46:44

for Americans and freedom lovers

46:46

all over the world and all

46:48

over the West We're gonna

46:50

bring Stephen Hicks professor Stephen

46:52

Hicks in he knows Alexander

46:54

Dugan. He is a professor of

46:57

philosophy and Dugan

46:59

says he's just a philosopher, but

47:02

he's not he's a political strategist

47:04

as well as a As

47:07

a philosopher and a dangerous

47:09

man, and you'll understand why by the end of

47:11

this hour Stephen Hicks joins me

47:13

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48:33

and Entrepreneurship Executive Director,

48:36

Stephen Hicks. Hello, Stephen. How are you, sir?

48:39

I am very well. Thanks for having me on again, Glenn.

48:42

You bet. So, I watched this interview

48:45

and I know that Tucker didn't

48:47

know who he was, Alexander Dugan,

48:49

because when he was over there, I

48:52

said, be careful if you're

48:55

involved with Alexander Dugan. And that, unfortunately,

48:57

I said that right before he left.

49:00

So, he had already done the interview,

49:02

and he said, not really sure about

49:04

this guy. And

49:07

I don't think really had done

49:09

his homework, because it came

49:11

up last minute. But

49:14

also, Dugan is hard to nail

49:16

down if you just

49:18

look at him on the surface. Would you agree

49:20

with that? Well,

49:23

sure. TV

49:25

interviewers will often under-prepare,

49:27

and they don't necessarily have the

49:29

philosophical and strategic depth to understand.

49:32

And as you were suggesting, Dugan is a

49:34

slippery character. At the same time, he is

49:37

deep, he is a philosopher as well

49:40

as being a strategist. But

49:42

at the same time, I don't want

49:44

to let someone like Tucker Carlson off

49:46

the hook, because we do have enough

49:48

historical knowledge about the kinds of positions

49:50

that Dugan is offering. He is repackaging

49:53

ideas and strategies that have been well-worked

49:55

over in the 20th century. And so,

49:58

we should be up to speed on that. And

50:00

so I think partly what we

50:02

need is a little philosophical up-rushing,

50:04

but also some historical reminders of

50:06

history repeating itself. So let

50:08

me play just a little bit of what he

50:10

said to Tucker yesterday, and we'll start there. Here's

50:13

a clip from the Tucker Carlson interview with Alexander Dugan. And

50:16

after the fall of the Soviet Union, there

50:18

was only liberalism. And Francis

50:20

Fukuyama has pointed out correctly

50:22

that there are no more

50:25

any ideologies except of liberalism.

50:27

So liberalism, that was liberation

50:30

of this individual from

50:33

any kind of collective identity. There

50:35

were only two collective

50:38

identities to liberate from

50:42

gender identity, because it is collective

50:44

identity. You are a man or

50:46

a woman collectively, so you

50:48

could be alone. So

50:51

liberation from gender, and

50:53

that has led

50:55

to transgenders, to LGBT,

50:58

and new form of

51:01

sexual individualism. So sex is

51:05

something optional. And

51:07

that was not just

51:10

deviation of liberalism. That was

51:13

necessary elements of implementation and

51:15

the victor of this liberal

51:17

ideology. And the last step

51:20

that is not yet totally

51:24

made is liberation from

51:26

human identity, humanity optional.

51:29

And now we are choosing, or you in the

51:31

West, you are choosing the

51:33

sex you want as you want. And

51:36

the last step in this process

51:39

of liberalism,

51:41

implementation of liberalism, will

51:43

mean precisely the human

51:46

and optional. So you can

51:48

choose your individual identity to

51:50

be human, not to be

51:52

human. And that has a

51:54

name, transhumanism, posthumanism, singularity,

51:58

artificial intelligence. Christians,

52:00

Klaus Schwab, Kurzweil or

52:02

Harari, they openly declare

52:05

that is an inevitable

52:07

future of humanity. So

52:10

we arrive to

52:12

the historical terminal station

52:14

that we finally, five

52:17

centuries ago, we have

52:19

embarked in this train and now we are

52:22

arriving at the last station.

52:26

So what he's saying here is that liberalism,

52:29

meaning the classic liberalism where

52:31

you're an individual, it's not

52:33

collective, etc., etc., he says

52:36

the inevitable end is progressivism

52:39

and then some dystopian future.

52:42

But I don't think that's right. I'd love to hear

52:44

from you. Liberalism

52:47

doesn't lead to progressivism. Marxism

52:50

leads to progressivism. The

52:53

first half of the Dugan clip I think

52:55

is correct. The second half is a massive

52:57

equivocation. I think philosophically he should know better.

53:00

I think he's doing some tactical

53:03

rhetoric against the West and talking

53:05

about the French genderism. So

53:07

let's take those two in part. So first

53:09

part is fall of the Soviet Union. I

53:11

think Dugan is exactly right. What

53:14

played out in the 20th century left only

53:17

some sort of liberalism standing in the field.

53:19

The 20th century was a huge

53:21

ideological battle. I think

53:24

Dugan's analysis is correct. That's the kind

53:26

of analysis I've argued and many other

53:28

people have argued as well. The 20th

53:30

century was about some sort of liberalism

53:33

versus some sort of fascism or

53:35

national socialism versus some

53:37

sort of Marxist communism. We

53:40

fought world wars. We fought Cold

53:43

Wars. We fought many French warfare

53:45

ideological wars as well. What

53:48

happened was fascism was defeated. National socialism

53:50

was defeated and by 1991 Marxist communism

53:52

was defeated. So

53:56

what seemed to be almost inevitable, I

53:58

don't want to use the inevitable. language,

54:00

but was that

54:02

some sort of liberal democracy,

54:05

capitalism, individualism, modernity was triumphant.

54:08

So I think that part is

54:10

exactly right. Now where

54:12

I think Dougan goes wrong is in

54:14

the what happens next. My view is

54:16

that what happened was that liberalism took

54:19

a breather. We've been fighting wars, ideological

54:22

and actual wars for over a century.

54:24

We let our

54:26

guard down, we're relaxed. We kind of thought

54:28

everybody is going to get on board

54:31

and some sort of liberal democratic

54:33

capitalist, but modern future is slowly

54:35

then going to prevail over the

54:38

next generation. Now what

54:40

actually happened though was that

54:42

the fascists, the national socialists,

54:44

the authoritarians, the communists, the

54:46

Marxists of various sorts did

54:48

not simply go away and

54:50

give up the fight. Instead

54:52

they started to repackage themselves

54:55

and then inside the now triumphant

54:57

west there were counter movements that

54:59

started to reassert themselves.

55:03

And then we started to see then

55:05

by the time we get to 2010,

55:07

2015 or so that those counter western

55:10

movements inside the west are

55:12

reasserting themselves and everybody starts to become

55:14

aware of them. And the particularly

55:17

nasty forms of transgenders, and I

55:19

think there is a legitimate version

55:22

of transgenders that reasonable

55:25

and sensitive people will take

55:27

aware of, but weaponized transgenderism

55:30

of the particularly violent form that

55:32

we're sometimes dealing with, that

55:35

is a different phenomenon. So

55:38

the second part then is what Dougan wants to

55:40

do is to say, and this is the part

55:42

that you are picking up on, that the

55:45

relativism, the angry activism,

55:49

the willingness to let everything

55:51

burn inside the west that

55:54

we're now confronting with, the

55:56

virulent forms of Islamism that

55:58

we are now confronting and

56:01

so on, the total package of anti-Western,

56:04

anti-liberalisms, where did those

56:06

come from? Now

56:09

I agree those are pathological,

56:11

they are very destructive, but

56:13

what Dugan is offering is

56:16

a thesis that says that

56:18

those anti-liberalisms are themselves

56:20

an outgrowth of liberalism,

56:23

and that I think is simply false.

56:28

So when he says

56:31

an end to modernity

56:33

and liberalism, he's actually,

56:35

I mean one of the first

56:37

things I found about Dugan that opened

56:40

my eyes was

56:42

his statement

56:44

that fascism

56:47

with Mussolini, Mussolini he says was a

56:49

very brave person as was Hitler, but

56:53

it didn't work, but they understood

56:56

that international communism

56:59

was not good, so they went for

57:01

national communism or socialism which became fascist,

57:03

and he said where the two of

57:06

them went wrong was they

57:08

offered too many compromises. He

57:12

said the future

57:15

is fascism without compromise.

57:18

That's a little terrifying. So

57:21

this is 1990s Dugan in

57:23

the first decade after the fall of the

57:25

Soviet Union, and he's a

57:27

strange character at this point. He's

57:30

already adopted various

57:32

forms of Nazism in the 1980s,

57:34

and at this point he's not

57:36

a young man, he's in his

57:38

late 20s, he's in his early

57:40

30s, so he's a mature thinker.

57:43

He hates liberalism already, he hates

57:45

modernity, he hates the West in

57:47

its entirety. At the

57:49

same time, he's dissatisfied with all what's

57:51

going on in the

57:53

Soviet Union, its version of communism and

57:56

Marxism. When the Soviet

57:58

Union falls, though he is... co-founder

58:00

of a national Bolshevik party. And

58:02

the Bolsheviks, of course, were Lenin,

58:04

Stalin, Trotsky, and so on. So

58:07

it's a reworking of

58:09

a kind of communist Marxism,

58:11

but the nationalism is important

58:13

there for him.

58:15

And he then, within a

58:17

few years, settles on saying,

58:19

what we need to do

58:22

is just rework fascism. So

58:24

he is widely and explicitly

58:26

admiring of Mussolini, and some

58:28

of the German fascists of the

58:30

1920s and early 1930s. And he publishes an article in

58:33

1997 called Fascism,

58:38

Borderless, and Red.

58:41

The red part means blood, and it

58:43

means a little bit of incorporation of

58:45

Marxism that's going to be a bloody,

58:48

violent revolution that we need. And

58:51

the borderless party is also there, that we

58:53

need to expand Russia's border. We need to

58:55

be expansionist. What we need

58:57

is a kind of national socialism,

59:00

and he takes the socialism

59:02

seriously, economic control. But

59:05

it's not going to be a socialism where

59:07

we take, so to speak, the Russian people,

59:09

and we make them fit into some abstract

59:11

socialist template. This is the

59:13

fascist part. We need to take

59:15

the Russian people, its particular ethnic

59:17

identity, including its religion, its cultures,

59:20

its traditions, see it as having

59:22

a world historical destiny. It's going

59:24

to lead the world to a

59:27

new, bright future that's not going

59:29

to be trapped

59:32

in the old Marxist way. And as

59:34

you're suggesting, it's going

59:36

to learn from the failures of the

59:39

earlier versions of fascism and national socialism.

59:41

And what that is going to involve

59:43

is a willing to be muscular, a

59:46

willing to be violent, a

59:49

willing to take ethnicity and

59:51

nationalism seriously and not to

59:53

compromise one jot with

59:56

capitalism with any form of Western

59:58

liberalism. So yes, that's... do them by

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But he's still collective and so forth. And the

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your religious identity? Should it be your

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1:05:29

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Welcome to the program. Yesterday,

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an interview that Tucker Carlson did while he was

1:07:22

in Russia was released. It was about 20 minutes.

1:07:26

And I applaud everyone for having a conversation.

1:07:28

Tucker has said many times, it's important to

1:07:30

see and understand how our adversaries view us.

1:07:35

Well, that wasn't clear in this.

1:07:38

He just diagnosed the problem as Alexander

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Dugan always does, and enough to open

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a door to people, have people say,

1:07:45

oh, well, I think I might

1:07:47

agree with that. It is

1:07:49

really important. What Tucker has begun,

1:07:51

we have to now continue that

1:07:54

conversation. So people on our side

1:07:56

will not fall victim to this

1:07:58

guy. about how

1:08:00

his books people want his books to be banned.

1:08:02

I don't. I want you to read him in

1:08:05

his own words. There will be stuff at the

1:08:07

beginning of the book you'll go, yep, yeah, he

1:08:09

knows me. And then by the

1:08:11

time you're at the end of the

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book you're like this is a horror

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show, literally a horror show. But you

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should read him. Jefferson, when we went

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into our first foreign war which was

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against the Muslim pirates, insisted that everybody

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read the Quran. If you really want

1:08:26

to understand the absurdity of it all,

1:08:28

he said, you need to

1:08:31

read this in their own words. Now

1:08:34

let's get down to it. One

1:08:37

of the things that he says, Stephen Hicks is

1:08:39

with us, one of the things he says,

1:08:41

Stephen, a lot of the

1:08:43

time, is about

1:08:45

this feeling of nationalism. And people

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in the press don't get it. They

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think Brexit was

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an evil thing and people

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were extremists. No, there are

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people in Norway, there are

1:09:00

people in Italy,

1:09:02

there are people in Greece, in

1:09:05

the Great Britain that are proud

1:09:07

of their country and should be proud of

1:09:10

their country. And when you say don't fly

1:09:12

your flag, fly instead, the

1:09:14

European Union flag, that's

1:09:16

not who they are. And they

1:09:18

feel like they're being snuffed out just

1:09:20

like Americans now feel, that our culture

1:09:23

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1:09:25

very existence. And what we've always stood

1:09:27

for is being wiped

1:09:29

out. And people can

1:09:32

be against that without being haters.

1:09:35

But he zeros in on

1:09:37

that and

1:09:39

says the collective state

1:09:42

image is really important. And

1:09:44

I think that's where he begins to connect

1:09:46

with people. And then people don't

1:09:48

look any further. Do you agree

1:09:50

with any of that, Stephen? Well,

1:09:53

nationalism is a term that

1:09:55

needs some careful delineation. And

1:09:58

often it gets packaged with all sorts of unfavorable

1:10:00

stuff, and that's partly what Dugan

1:10:03

is doing. It's one thing to

1:10:05

say we need to have an authoritarian,

1:10:08

bureaucratic regime centered in

1:10:11

Brussels, the European Union,

1:10:14

or the United Nations, or something like that, and that's going

1:10:16

to crample over regional

1:10:18

differences, national differences, ethnic differences,

1:10:20

and turn us all into

1:10:23

homogeneous robots of some sort.

1:10:26

It's fine to be against that. And

1:10:30

to see that as a kind of

1:10:32

foil. At the same time, nationalism sometimes

1:10:34

just means, you know, I happen to

1:10:36

have been born in a certain ethnicity

1:10:38

within a certain nation, and because

1:10:41

I was born here, I'm just

1:10:43

unthinkingly getting my identity

1:10:45

and my allegiance to whatever my

1:10:47

particular government does as well. I

1:10:50

think both of those are inappropriate

1:10:52

ways to use nationalism. So the

1:10:55

issue of nations, right,

1:10:57

is to me I

1:10:59

think it's a secondary or even a

1:11:01

tertiary issue about what level of

1:11:04

political organization we should

1:11:06

have in place, how much things should be

1:11:08

local at the state or regional level, how

1:11:10

much at the national, international level, and so

1:11:13

on. So it's an

1:11:15

issue of kind

1:11:17

of the appropriate bureaucratic

1:11:19

and administrative governance. But

1:11:22

the important content issue is what is

1:11:24

the purpose of your governance? And it's

1:11:26

one thing to say I live in

1:11:28

a nation that takes individuals and

1:11:30

their freedoms and their rights

1:11:33

very seriously, and we

1:11:35

have a government that exists to protect

1:11:37

individuals in their freedoms and their

1:11:40

property rights and so forth. And

1:11:43

because I live in a nation

1:11:45

that is striving for that moral

1:11:47

set of principles, I am proud

1:11:49

of my nation. And

1:11:51

that kind of patriotism or nationalism

1:11:54

or identification with your country

1:11:56

I think is perfectly appropriate.

1:12:00

There are some nations that are much better

1:12:02

on that and some nations that are much

1:12:04

worse on that. At the

1:12:06

same time, there are lots of levels

1:12:09

of organization that should be international.

1:12:11

So we should be able to

1:12:13

trade with people in different parts

1:12:15

of the world. We should

1:12:17

have business agreements

1:12:20

and so forth that are

1:12:22

international. And any sort of, my

1:12:25

nation is going to block off access

1:12:27

to your nation and so forth. I

1:12:29

think that is inappropriate. So

1:12:32

sorting out what is properly

1:12:35

protecting the rights and freedoms of individuals.

1:12:37

And sometimes that's going to be at

1:12:39

a national level and sometimes that's going

1:12:41

to be more open and

1:12:44

international. That's something that political scientists

1:12:46

need to work out. Now

1:12:48

what Dugan though is doing is wanting to

1:12:50

say it's not at all about the individual.

1:12:53

It's not about liberties at all.

1:12:55

That's what the quotation you earlier

1:12:58

alluded to is all about. He

1:13:00

does see it as collective entities

1:13:03

that are organized at

1:13:05

the ethnic level. For

1:13:07

the most part of his career, he thought

1:13:09

that the nation state was the right level

1:13:11

of analysis. And that the different

1:13:14

collective national identities are at war

1:13:16

with each other or at

1:13:18

least at conflict with each other.

1:13:20

And so one needs to be

1:13:22

willing to enter into that fray

1:13:24

and be violent with respect to

1:13:26

other nations to put up borders

1:13:29

to try to sabotage them in

1:13:31

various ways. Now that

1:13:33

kind of nationalism takes him

1:13:35

back to the fascism, takes him back

1:13:37

to the national socialism.

1:13:39

And that takes him back even to some

1:13:41

versions of Marxist communism where

1:13:43

they wanted to argue that it

1:13:46

was our nation where the Marxist revolution

1:13:48

is going to have to happen first.

1:13:50

And we are in a bloody conflict

1:13:53

with all of the other nations that

1:13:55

are more capitalist and democratic and so

1:13:57

forth. And then and only after we

1:13:59

have succeeded. at making the

1:14:01

Marxist Revolution in this one nation,

1:14:04

so we start thinking about being

1:14:06

more broadly, broadly internationalist. Now,

1:14:09

Dugan, though, I think the nationalism for him

1:14:11

is partly tactical because one of the things

1:14:14

that he has been doing in the

1:14:16

last 10 years, maybe 15 years

1:14:19

now, is broadening and

1:14:21

no longer just seeing that Russia,

1:14:24

in some sense, has a special

1:14:26

ethnic identity, that it is

1:14:28

the world historical nation that's going to lead

1:14:30

us to a bright and better future. He

1:14:33

started to talk more like

1:14:36

a pan-Eurasianist, that

1:14:39

the right level of analysis is

1:14:41

not Russia as a nation, but

1:14:43

more broadly, the Eurasian continent and

1:14:46

all of its constituent peoples. So

1:14:49

there we start to see him thinking

1:14:51

more in terms of empire, the old

1:14:53

Russian empire. Of course, Russia will have

1:14:55

a special place at that, but

1:14:58

you see him in his rhetoric and in

1:15:00

his arguments not wanting to say

1:15:04

that it's Russia, say, against

1:15:06

the Ukrainians or Russia against

1:15:08

the Kazakh nation and

1:15:11

so forth, that he wants to reincorporate all

1:15:13

of them into a pan-Eurasian

1:15:15

empire. And that's going to be

1:15:17

the right level of analysis. That's

1:15:20

what will be pitted

1:15:22

against the Western liberal alliance.

1:15:25

So that is, when I heard

1:15:27

the first Tucker interview with Putin,

1:15:30

I thought that's what he was going for. That's

1:15:32

what Putin was going for. He was setting the

1:15:34

stage for, well, we're actually

1:15:36

much bigger than

1:15:39

what everybody thinks of. And he's

1:15:41

setting the stage for a restoration

1:15:43

of the, not

1:15:47

the Soviet, but the imperial Russian empire, right?

1:15:49

So there is one thing,

1:15:51

and Stephen, we're so blessed to have you

1:15:53

for 45 minutes. I don't know if

1:15:56

you have any questions. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

1:15:58

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. time

1:16:00

tomorrow to do another session with

1:16:02

us because the next

1:16:04

part of Dugan is where

1:16:06

it goes way off the rails and

1:16:09

gets even more terrifying than fascism

1:16:12

without compromise and that

1:16:14

is his religious angles

1:16:18

that he puts on top of it where

1:16:20

he says the United States

1:16:22

is the Antichrist and

1:16:24

we can hate the

1:16:27

great Satan that we need to kind

1:16:29

of hasten the apocalypse

1:16:33

because it just won't happen on its

1:16:36

own and the world I mean this

1:16:38

sounds like a 12-er from

1:16:41

Iran but they need

1:16:43

to wash the world

1:16:45

in blood because it will only be through

1:16:47

extreme violence that will be able

1:16:49

to reset the world in

1:16:54

a world that we only saw

1:16:56

before modernity.

1:17:00

No, absolutely. Putin's

1:17:02

use of religion and Dugan's

1:17:04

ideological understanding of religion and

1:17:06

strategizing about religion certainly

1:17:08

worth another 45 minutes so we can

1:17:11

plan that if you want. Oh, I'd love to.

1:17:13

Love to. Thank you. Stephen, thank you so much

1:17:15

for everything you do and thanks for making this

1:17:17

easy to understand. Would

1:17:20

you agree that Dugan, if

1:17:24

you know he's the guy behind

1:17:26

Crimea, he's the really the

1:17:29

kind of the guy connecting Russia

1:17:31

to Iran and

1:17:33

his philosophy if it

1:17:35

actually takes root in

1:17:38

the West that I think

1:17:40

he's one of the most dangerous men in the world.

1:17:43

Would you agree with that? Well,

1:17:45

I think philosophers are

1:17:48

often underrated. We can

1:17:51

see John Locke's importance to the

1:17:54

American revolutionaries, Rousseau's importance to the

1:17:56

French revolutionaries, Marx's importance and so

1:17:58

on. So this is

1:18:01

a little crystal ball gazing, but

1:18:03

yes, Dugan is a clear inspirational

1:18:05

writer. I don't know what level

1:18:08

of access he has to Dugan's

1:18:10

inner circle and so forth. But

1:18:12

when you are speaking to thousands

1:18:14

and millions of alert, aspirational

1:18:18

idea, ideological people,

1:18:21

philosophers like Dugan can have an outsized

1:18:23

impact. So it's really important that we

1:18:25

get them right and understand exactly what

1:18:28

we're up against. It's amazing. I feel

1:18:30

a little like the Germans. I've never

1:18:32

understood, how could you possibly read Mein

1:18:34

Kampf and not know? I mean,

1:18:37

you knew, he said it, but I

1:18:39

think it's the human, it's human nature

1:18:41

to say, oh, well he didn't mean

1:18:43

that part or the, he'll never get

1:18:45

that done. And we've done

1:18:48

that with even COVID. I was on

1:18:50

the air four or six weeks before

1:18:52

it hit America saying, look at

1:18:55

what's happening in China. That would never

1:18:57

happen here. And pretty much it did.

1:19:01

So when we can't underestimate liberalism

1:19:03

and modernity in the West, one

1:19:05

of our great weaknesses is in

1:19:07

fact that we are sometimes naive, sometimes

1:19:10

benevolent and willing to give people the benefit

1:19:12

of the doubt. When they make it clear,

1:19:15

they don't deserve it. So

1:19:17

tomorrow we'll have you back same time,

1:19:20

Steven. And I want to concentrate on

1:19:22

his, what his definition of

1:19:24

modernity is because if it's, if it

1:19:26

is what I think it is, that

1:19:29

is a pre-enlightenment kind of

1:19:31

modernity, kind

1:19:34

of going back into some of the dark ages stuff

1:19:36

and his religious beliefs,

1:19:39

his connections to kind

1:19:41

of a Christian nationalism,

1:19:46

if you will, in a very, very

1:19:48

dark way. Okay. Perfect. So

1:19:50

we'll see you tomorrow then. Same time.

1:19:52

Thank you very much. Steven Hicks. Always

1:19:56

great to have him on. He

1:19:58

has a deep understanding. of

1:20:01

who Alexander Dugan is. If you watch that

1:20:04

episode from Tucker,

1:20:06

which I highly recommend, if

1:20:08

you watch that, know that you're

1:20:11

getting the soft side of

1:20:13

Alexander Dugan. That is his

1:20:15

opening pitch and

1:20:17

there are people in America that

1:20:20

follow him, like

1:20:22

him, believe many of the same

1:20:25

things. Quite honestly, Steve Bannon, I think, is

1:20:27

one of them, and

1:20:29

that's what makes Steve Bannon so

1:20:31

dangerous. He is

1:20:34

using some of his philosophies and buying

1:20:36

into some of those philosophies, and

1:20:39

as Christians, as

1:20:41

true Americans, we

1:20:43

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1:20:46

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1:20:48

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Alright, so I want

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was kind of funny at the

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beginning. And then the

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more you learn about her, the more you're

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like, Well, now hang on just a second,

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because she would be a very important tool

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paid by national public

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is a tool of the

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government in many ways. Can

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she separate herself from

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her own personal beliefs? Or

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is that even wanted at

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NPR? We wanted to

1:29:14

bring in Joe McKinnon. Joe

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is a Blaze News staff writer and he has

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been following up on this. Joe, take

1:29:21

us from the beginning, from

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the whistleblower, if

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you will, all the way to

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Christopher Rufo and then let's pick

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it up from there. So

1:29:34

can you tell us the beginning of it, Joe? Absolutely. Thanks

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for having me on. So Yuri

1:29:39

Berliner earlier this month has

1:29:42

this damning expose in

1:29:45

the free press, April 9th. He

1:29:47

goes after NPR after having worked there

1:29:49

for a quarter of a century as

1:29:51

a senior business editor. He

1:29:54

suggests that there's zero viewpoint

1:29:56

diversity, particularly after John Lanskin,

1:29:58

the White House. former

1:30:00

CEO had made

1:30:02

it an activist organization and then

1:30:05

allied it effectively with the Democratic Party.

1:30:08

This is a publication according to

1:30:10

Berliner that didn't want to cover

1:30:12

the Hunter Biden laptop story, that

1:30:14

worked with Adam Schiff to push

1:30:17

the Russian collusion hopes. So he

1:30:19

goes to town on NPR and

1:30:21

draws the ire of someone who's

1:30:23

not been on a lot of

1:30:26

people's radar and that's Catherine Mayer

1:30:29

or Meyer I should say. So

1:30:31

Meyer comes up with this long response

1:30:35

and effectively passes him

1:30:37

out with

1:30:39

some more charitable terms and subsequently

1:30:42

Berliner is suspended and

1:30:45

then he resigns. So people

1:30:47

start looking into Meyer after after

1:30:49

this because she was with

1:30:51

Wikipedia before but I guess you know

1:30:54

flew under the radar for a lot

1:30:56

particularly on the right or those among

1:30:59

those who are critical of the government. And

1:31:02

at first blush she

1:31:04

looks just like another shrill leftist.

1:31:06

She has the obligatory photo wearing

1:31:09

the Biden campaign hat and she has

1:31:11

an unhealthy obsession with race. So

1:31:14

that photo exists and the

1:31:16

tweets speak for themselves but

1:31:19

you keep digging as Rufo has

1:31:21

and you realize really quickly that

1:31:23

there's something more going on here.

1:31:26

From 30,000 feet she looks

1:31:28

like not just a tech

1:31:30

savvy media queen but someone who

1:31:33

spent a lot of time around color revolutions

1:31:35

and the Orient enough to know

1:31:37

how they might be replicated. Okay

1:31:40

so hang on just a second folks

1:31:42

the campuses and boardrooms are full of

1:31:44

leftists but

1:31:46

you're saying and Christopher Rufo is saying she

1:31:49

is not your ordinary leftist

1:31:51

she's been around color revolutions.

1:31:54

What does that mean she's been around color

1:31:56

revolutions? Okay so one of

1:32:00

the many interesting posts she's

1:32:02

had. And I should note at the

1:32:05

outset here that she's a World

1:32:07

Economic Forum global leader. She's worked

1:32:09

with the World Bank. She's

1:32:12

worked with various NGOs

1:32:14

that are in the tech

1:32:17

comms and well,

1:32:20

foreign policy space. So around

1:32:22

2010, 2011,

1:32:24

and the Nufal chronicled her

1:32:27

travel itinerary, she's with

1:32:29

the National Democratic Institute. And

1:32:32

that's a spinoff of the National Endowment for

1:32:34

Democracy committed to,

1:32:36

yeah, exactly. Well, you know where

1:32:39

I'm going with this. This is

1:32:41

an organization that tries to transition

1:32:45

unwilling regimes to

1:32:47

become liberal democracies. Now,

1:32:49

let me, can I redefine that a

1:32:51

little bit? It's a

1:32:53

CIA front. Well,

1:32:56

Mike Benz, he was in the

1:32:58

Trump administration at the State Department.

1:33:00

He said exactly that. He said

1:33:02

to carve out for the CIA.

1:33:04

And other people have said just

1:33:06

as much. In fact, I

1:33:09

think it was Ron Dixon at

1:33:11

the New York Times back when

1:33:13

he said the NDI was actively

1:33:16

fomenting protests during the so-called

1:33:18

Arab Spring. So we know this. I

1:33:20

exposed that when we were at Fox. We've

1:33:27

known that from the beginning. It didn't take

1:33:29

a brain surgeon to figure this out. Then

1:33:31

when you go into Ukraine and see

1:33:34

what they were doing and

1:33:36

the phrases that they were using saying,

1:33:39

you know, we can spread this now.

1:33:41

We kind of perfected it in

1:33:43

the Middle East and we can spread

1:33:46

it. And that's exactly what we were

1:33:48

doing in Ukraine. Well,

1:33:51

precisely. Ukraine, Libya, Egypt,

1:33:53

Yemen, Tunisia. And so

1:33:56

she's kind of not a pilgrimage to

1:33:58

these toppled regimes. in some

1:34:01

cases as they're falling. So

1:34:03

Rufo notes that she

1:34:05

hosted Tunisia a couple times. She hosted

1:34:07

Gethin Tep in Southern Turkey,

1:34:10

just as rebels are making

1:34:12

inroads along the highway between

1:34:14

Damascus and I believe it was Aleppo. And

1:34:17

she actually said not long ago that

1:34:19

she, well, she framed the timing

1:34:23

differently, but she said in the

1:34:25

aftermath of the revolutions, she was

1:34:27

doing research on the ground with

1:34:29

quote unquote human rights activists and

1:34:31

independent journalists. And so

1:34:33

she's with the NBI, she's going to

1:34:36

Tunisia and she

1:34:38

raised a couple of alarm bells.

1:34:41

So there's this Tunisian cabinet official.

1:34:44

And well, he

1:34:46

basically, well, he

1:34:48

didn't intimate, he straight out said it's

1:34:50

a likely case that she works for

1:34:53

a certain three letter agency.

1:34:55

And a lot

1:34:58

of people have been speculating about that in recent weeks.

1:35:02

So what is her background

1:35:04

in broadcast and news? Well,

1:35:10

she deals a lot with comms. In

1:35:13

terms of news, she's been critical

1:35:15

of the ways that governments have

1:35:18

weaponized their state broadcasters,

1:35:21

which I think is rich granted. Right,

1:35:24

yeah. Progressions are career. Yes,

1:35:27

but what does she, I mean, does she have a background

1:35:29

in news? Is

1:35:31

she a journalist? Is she, I mean,

1:35:34

why is she, I mean, I see

1:35:36

that she's traveled the world, that she's

1:35:38

with the World Bank and the WEF

1:35:41

and she's been with NGOs and

1:35:43

she's been around revolutions, but that

1:35:45

doesn't necessarily scream CEO of

1:35:48

NPR. Well,

1:35:50

I think Wikimedia and Wikipedia,

1:35:54

which she ran the show for for several years, she

1:35:57

demonstrated her bond. Yeah, her bond.

1:36:00

and it was under

1:36:02

her reign that it

1:36:04

quickly became clear that this was

1:36:06

well it's supposed to

1:36:08

be a repository for human knowledge right? You know

1:36:11

recently you talked about how

1:36:13

memory is the key to who we are.

1:36:16

Well Wikipedia is instrumental

1:36:19

to capturing and curating that

1:36:21

memory for a lot of people so

1:36:23

she might not be a journalist

1:36:25

but she was very much, well

1:36:27

I don't want to suggest there's a

1:36:30

causation issue. She pretends that you know

1:36:32

the Wikipedia editors are working on their

1:36:34

own but while she's in control

1:36:36

there's very much a narrative curation going

1:36:39

on the kind that you

1:36:41

might want at taxpayer-funded

1:36:44

state broadcast. Jeez

1:36:48

okay so the

1:36:51

rumor that she's with CIA where

1:36:53

did that originate? So

1:36:55

I mentioned she went to Tunisia a

1:36:58

couple times right? Okay. So this cabinet

1:37:00

official is named Slim Amamou. I

1:37:02

think I'm pronouncing that right but

1:37:04

Slim says in 2016 that

1:37:07

it's a bit of a retrospective he's looking

1:37:09

back and I believe it is

1:37:11

around the time that she is getting a promotion

1:37:13

over at Wikipedia. He

1:37:15

straight up says that

1:37:17

she's probably CIA. He's

1:37:20

not mints and warrants. He says

1:37:22

she's come over under different affiliations

1:37:24

with the NDI, with World Bank,

1:37:26

with USAID and

1:37:28

he suggests, this is

1:37:30

going on at Twitter at the time, still called

1:37:33

that, he suggests that

1:37:35

she might as well have had CIA written

1:37:37

on her firm and

1:37:39

so Slim was in the

1:37:42

transitional government. He dropped out to

1:37:44

protest so-called censorship and

1:37:47

he you know not entirely the

1:37:50

top of the food chain but someone you might

1:37:52

at least want to hear out and

1:37:55

so she is prickle by the suggestion.

1:37:58

She responds saying I'm

1:38:01

no sort of agent. You can dislike

1:38:03

me, but please don't defame me. But

1:38:06

then, you know, that brought even

1:38:08

more scrutiny because people took

1:38:10

notice of the way she framed that

1:38:12

response. So Christina Pasha, she's on the

1:38:14

scientist team, she noted, for instance, okay,

1:38:16

well, you may not have been an

1:38:19

agent, but you could just as

1:38:21

well have been an asset. But

1:38:24

the CIA element, I

1:38:26

think, you know, I haven't

1:38:28

seen any incontrovertible proof. It's

1:38:31

also largely immaterial

1:38:34

because she's actually directly worked with

1:38:36

the Biden administration. She's

1:38:38

worked with and brushed shoulders with all

1:38:41

these regime change groups.

1:38:43

So whether or not she has

1:38:45

a CIA and a card somewhere

1:38:47

tucked in her desk, she

1:38:50

might as well have been. And

1:38:52

this is part of the group that,

1:38:54

I mean, Hillary Clinton in that infamous

1:38:57

clip where she said, we came, we

1:38:59

saw, he died, and laughed

1:39:01

about it. I think who she

1:39:03

was talking to at the time might have been

1:39:05

Samantha Power, who

1:39:07

is, you know, Cass Sunstein's wife,

1:39:10

the author of Nudge, and somebody

1:39:12

who knows how to nudge people

1:39:14

into new positions. But

1:39:17

Sam now works at USAID. She's

1:39:20

the head of USAID. So if

1:39:22

you have the head of

1:39:25

NPR also working with

1:39:27

Samantha Power at USAID, that is

1:39:29

also a CIA front.

1:39:34

Oh, absolutely. And I think it was Michael

1:39:37

Waller in the Rufal piece. He's a national

1:39:40

security analyst. And he said

1:39:42

he drew that same connection

1:39:44

with power and intimated

1:39:47

that Meyer is

1:39:49

part of this revolutionary vanguard

1:39:51

movement. So, you know, they're

1:39:53

all in bed together by the by the looks

1:39:55

of it, I should say, a little bit of

1:39:58

distance because I don't want to mean tweet. But

1:40:01

and then you couple this

1:40:03

with her even

1:40:07

more gravity to this, well,

1:40:11

her becoming the head of NPR, which was giving

1:40:13

me some of her, give me some of her

1:40:15

public comments that I may not know. Okay,

1:40:18

well, I did a little

1:40:20

bit of a deep dive. A

1:40:22

lot of these already are circulating.

1:40:24

But but they're all troubling. So,

1:40:27

for instance, in a 2021 interview,

1:40:29

and this one has caught a lot of people's attention

1:40:31

in recent days, she described the

1:40:33

First Amendment as the top challenge

1:40:35

in the fight against disinformation. So

1:40:38

it's a challenge. Yeah, yeah,

1:40:40

yeah, that's right. It's a

1:40:42

challenge because, quote, it's

1:40:45

a little bit tricky to really address

1:40:47

some of the real challenges of where

1:40:49

does that information come from and sort

1:40:51

of the influence petal petalers who have

1:40:53

made a real market economy around it. And

1:40:56

by the way, when she's talking about disinformation, she

1:40:59

means skepticism of COVID-19

1:41:01

vaccines, which I write in

1:41:04

the lead up to the show

1:41:06

that was mentioned that AstraZeneca just

1:41:08

admitted that is devastating impact.

1:41:11

Well, no, so that's disinformation, according to

1:41:14

the former head of Wikipedia. She

1:41:16

also climate alarmism, that's a no

1:41:19

fly for her. So

1:41:21

at an Atlantic Council 2021 event, she says,

1:41:26

Wikipedia isn't a free expression

1:41:28

platform. And so that a lot

1:41:30

of people are wondering why. And she

1:41:33

suggests, it's

1:41:35

really about creating content that people can have

1:41:37

confidence in, that they can use

1:41:39

to make determinations in their lives. And

1:41:41

so that right to have access to

1:41:43

high integrity content often sort of

1:41:45

trumps the right to free speech. Now,

1:41:48

pair that with the fact

1:41:50

that she suggests straight

1:41:53

out in a TED Talk that,

1:41:56

quote, our reverence for the

1:41:58

truth might be a distract. And they're

1:42:01

setting away a finding common ground and

1:42:03

getting things done. So I

1:42:05

don't know who that common ground belongs to by the

1:42:07

way, but it certainly isn't free

1:42:09

people. Yeah, yeah,

1:42:12

that's fantastic. Okay, I'm

1:42:15

going to come back. Let me take one minute

1:42:17

to break for a sponsor. And then I want

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to come back and I want to ask you,

1:42:21

so if she was a

1:42:23

tool even a little bit

1:42:25

in color revolution, what is

1:42:28

the fear that she could do or what

1:42:30

is the impact she could have here in

1:42:32

America by being the

1:42:34

CEO of NPR? Back in

1:42:36

just a second, stand by. Let's

1:42:39

say that you had an employee and here's

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what he did. He spent too much of

1:42:44

the company's money, a bunch of which he

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actually stole. In fact, he ran the company

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into huge, huge debt

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where there was no turning back from it, ensuring

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that stock was worth less and less every day

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until the whole thing went belly

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up. On top of that, he was a jerk

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about it to all the other employees beneath him.

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What would you do with that employee? You fire

1:43:04

them, right? Well, we don't do

1:43:06

that. We call it Congress. We call it

1:43:08

the administration. We call it the Fed or

1:43:10

the Treasury. And we are all supposed

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to listen to them. And they keep

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doing these things. We know they're

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doing these things. And

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yet we keep coming back to them and saying,

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1:44:49

we're talking to Joe McKinnon who

1:44:51

has written extensively for the Blaze

1:44:53

News. You can go to blaze.com

1:44:55

and find his work on NPR's

1:44:58

CEO who is looking to be far worse

1:45:00

than what anybody thought she was. We just

1:45:03

thought she was a crazy liberal or

1:45:05

progressive but she

1:45:08

seems to be possibly much more

1:45:10

than that including possibly working

1:45:12

with the CIA. But she

1:45:15

spent a lot of time around color revolutions.

1:45:18

We'll talk about that coming up in the next

1:45:20

break. But I just wanted to ask you, Joe, before you go,

1:45:22

what is the impact if this

1:45:24

is true that she could have

1:45:27

with NPR at her disposal? NPR

1:45:31

has long been a joke. It's

1:45:35

ineffective. It's viewership

1:45:37

has dwindled immensely. She

1:45:40

is shrewd. She is effective. This

1:45:43

is an individual who had people believing

1:45:45

that cultural Marxism is a far right

1:45:48

conspiracy theory when she was running Wikipedia.

1:45:52

All the insights she has gleaned when

1:45:54

she was doing her pilgrimage

1:45:56

of fallen states and

1:45:59

her understanding that capture of

1:46:01

a state broadcaster could

1:46:04

ultimately mean capture of the state means

1:46:07

that NPR is a weapon in our

1:46:09

hands, potentially a weapon

1:46:11

in our hands. There's over a

1:46:13

thousand stations broadcasting its NPR programming,

1:46:15

there's thousands of employees, a bunch

1:46:18

of bureaus across the country. Now

1:46:21

I don't think they're going to do business as

1:46:23

usual, in fact she's telegraphed that there's going to

1:46:25

be a transformation behind the scenes. NPR

1:46:29

was already a leftist propaganda

1:46:31

outlet, now I

1:46:34

think it's going to be

1:46:36

used to ferment or

1:46:38

at the very least control the

1:46:42

protest and to at

1:46:44

least have the power to

1:46:47

weaponize various groups across the

1:46:49

nation. You send your marching

1:46:51

orders essentially out via NPR.

1:46:54

So Wikipedia, and I'm surprised

1:46:56

you left Wikipedia honestly because I

1:46:59

think that's the more consequential place,

1:47:01

but Wikipedia controls the past and

1:47:04

therefore can control

1:47:07

the future. Yes. I think NPR,

1:47:09

under her helm, I think

1:47:12

the aim anyway is controlling

1:47:14

the present. Joseph

1:47:17

McKinnon from theblaze.com, thank you so

1:47:19

much. We're going to go a

1:47:21

little deeper in this

1:47:23

direction and really talk about color

1:47:26

revolution in just

1:47:28

a minute when we

1:47:30

come back. Stand by.

1:47:32

You know, we

1:47:35

don't build a parallel economy because

1:47:38

we're glad that it's necessary. I wish it

1:47:40

wasn't. I miss the old days when doing

1:47:43

business wasn't some sort of political statement,

1:47:46

but sadly that's how the world works

1:47:48

right now and too many companies have

1:47:50

swung for the fences with their

1:47:53

leftist Marxist wokeism. There

1:47:57

is many

1:48:01

organizations and many companies that love

1:48:03

America. They love Republicans and they

1:48:06

love Democrats. They like freedom. They

1:48:08

like the Bill of Rights. There

1:48:11