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plane landing but it's not one. You're

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here in the Estonian city of Tattoo

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were all flights have been suspended because

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of Gps jamming. He's doing This has

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it impacting the Baltic States and what

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can be done about it. Then we'll

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get the latest from the You and

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Mega Summit in Santiago. As leaders, the

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some of the world's biggest institutions meet

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for two days of talks. Will also

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which he stars that fool ahead

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here on the globalist life from

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London. The

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first to look at what else

1:51

is happening in the news: Turkey

1:53

has stopped all exports and imports

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to and from Israel, citing the

1:57

worsening humanitarian tragedy in the Palestinian

1:59

Territories. Student protests spread to

2:01

Canada. Pro Palestinian camps have sprung

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up at Montreal's Mcgill University and

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it other Canadian schools including the

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University of Toronto, British Columbia, and

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also A and Britain's opposition Labour

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party won a parliamentary seats in

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Northern England. Spitting the governing Conservatives

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in one of the series of

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those will help gauge public opinion

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ahead of a full national election

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and do later this year to

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stay tuned to Monaco Radio to

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out the day. Some. More on the

2:28

stories. Snow. The foreign ministers

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as a stern yet Latvia and Lithuania

2:32

say that Cps channing across the whole

2:35

Baltic Sea regions is increased in recent

2:37

weeks this has led to all flights

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in taught to in Estonia been cancels

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with Russia. Than likely culprit. Baltic foreign

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ministers are calling for joint Nato response

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will join him Me now from Thailand

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is cutting meat is a senior policy

2:51

Senate's at the European Council on Foreign

2:53

Relations started to to have you back

2:55

on the show. Is it just air

2:58

transport? That's. Being a sexist, By the Cps.

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to me, Some

3:03

good morning and well I assume

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that if his Tps timing then

3:07

actually civilians Gps should have suffered

3:10

to sell. To be honest and

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my immediate thought was about earlier

3:14

at Kind of People fighters had

3:17

Ventura somewhere in the forests and

3:19

bolts. They would rely quite heavily

3:21

on Cps as well when they

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need to find our way out.

3:26

and why. I trust that hard

3:28

to airports will find alternative ways

3:31

of an. Answering navigation is

3:33

safe then I think always hikers

3:35

and very big carriers will not

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sell him. Hurry up offense even

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a little bit more sense. Why

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is it only tattoos and that

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suspended flights are? Are other airports

3:47

in the region also at risk.

3:51

As to Do is more at

3:53

risk because today's a small airport

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and it doesn't, It's have alternative

3:57

means to ensuring that the game.

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It doesn't have air control tower,

4:03

it doesn't have radio pecans. Normally

4:05

big airports are equipped with rows.

4:08

HARTU is second largest town in

4:11

Estonia, but its airport is really

4:13

very small. And that thin

4:15

air flight is its only connection with outside

4:18

world, I mean international connection.

4:21

And so it's a question of pride

4:23

to them as well. Thailand and HARTU

4:26

are happiest to be able to fly

4:28

to New York, starting from HARTU,

4:30

as opposed to going from Thailand.

4:32

Whereas regional small rival are going

4:35

on. So it's an

4:37

important airport, but it's not very well

4:39

equipped. Where else has

4:41

GPS interference been encountered? I mean, I

4:43

see that Germany is also complaining about

4:46

this now. There have

4:48

been actually many incidents about the Baltic Sea.

4:51

Even I think they have

4:53

interfered with government planes, including

4:56

American ones, etc.

4:59

So it

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has been recurring, but incidents

5:04

have been happening for a long

5:06

time already. Just now that thin

5:09

air cancellation has made news. How

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certain can we be that the Kremlin

5:15

is behind these attacks? Well,

5:18

I think there is very little doubt.

5:22

You can actually see from where

5:24

Channik comes. And I have seen

5:26

maps where it's located somewhere close

5:29

to St Petersburg. And there seems

5:31

to be another hub in Kaliningrup.

5:35

Now, the Baltic ministers and Germany

5:38

really are looking for positive action on this. They're

5:40

calling on NATO. What do they want done? I'm

5:45

starting to see what NATO could do. I

5:48

mean, NATO will not start bombing

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Russia and these locations, right? So

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in earlier times, I think there would

5:56

have been other organizations better positioned to

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that. civilian

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aviation organization, for instance. I

6:03

think through then, some

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cases of Russian fighter

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jets going transponderless were solved

6:11

once upon a time. But,

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of course, the difference is back then,

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Russia had its own civilian aviation that

6:18

was flying all across Europe. So they

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had things to lose. Right

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now, autoflot flights are not going nowhere.

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So in a way, that low-level sabotage

6:28

is very handy for Russia. And

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I am afraid the best we can

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do is just to ensure navigation safety

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by other means. I

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wonder though if cyber attacks are covered

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by Article 5, the mutual defense pact.

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I mean, after all, when that was

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initially drafted, these kinds of attacks didn't

6:46

exist. But this certainly is an attack

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on NATO, on several NATO

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countries. Yes,

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I don't think there

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is clarity on that. Nor

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can there be clarity, because

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you cannot foresee any kind

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of creative attack. So the

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question still remains, what

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do you do? What would be

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a proportionate and effective answer? And

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I'm not sure we know that

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at the moment. But isn't it

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time then that NATO rules were

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looked at in light of current

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technology? I mean, clearly, times have

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moved on. And

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perhaps that Article 5 needs to be updated

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to reflect that. Well,

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yes. And these discussions have been

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going on for a long time

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already, starting, I think, from at

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least 2007, when Estonia

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suffered its first cyber attack and became

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a champion of a topic among NATO.

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But again, you could

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declare it an Article 5 issue. But

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what then? What

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do you do? Or what

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follows? Do you then expect just

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risking an Article 5 issue? to deter

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Russia from misbehaving. I

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don't think we can deter Russia from doing that.

8:05

I mean, that for Russia,

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I think GPS timing is

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a fair game, given how

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West is giving military equipment to

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Ukraine, how

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West has expelled

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out of lots from its airspace. I

8:21

don't think there is anything to hold

8:23

Russians back at the moment. But

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the West is doing this, of course,

8:28

because of Russia's illegal invasion of

8:30

Ukraine. Of course, yes. Russia

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defines itself as being at war

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with the West. And so they

8:39

don't feel any more strange

8:41

here. Just

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back to the city of Tartu.

8:47

Now, of course, it's the year-long European

8:49

capital of culture there. It's

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ongoing right now. It's the

8:53

most important cultural event to take place in

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Estonia for several years. How much is it

8:57

being impacted by the jamming? And how might

9:00

that affect the economy of the country as

9:02

a whole? It's

9:05

a nuisance, but surmountable. I mean, I

9:08

assume that any foreign guests who were

9:10

due to arrive to Tartu, they will

9:12

probably be rebooked to flight in Thailand.

9:16

Thinner has plenty of rows, re-function

9:19

and very handy bosses

9:21

from Thailand to Tartu. So it

9:25

just adds a little wrinkle to

9:27

your journey, but it's not too

9:30

bad. And likewise, I don't think for

9:32

economy that flight was so crucial.

9:35

It was sort of more

9:37

a symbolic thing.

9:41

And as I said, it's the regional

9:43

policy and regional pricing that people from

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Tartu could go on

9:48

international travel without passing the

9:50

Thailand Airport. Khadri, thank

9:52

you very much indeed. That's Khadri Leek

9:54

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It's 2011 in Santiago, 7-11 here

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in London. Yesterday, the

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Secretary General of the United Nations,

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Antonio Guterres, arrived in Santiago, Chile

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to chair the bi-annual session of

11:06

the UN System Chief Executive Board

11:08

for Coordination, otherwise known as the

11:10

CEB. This so-called mega-summit brings together

11:13

the heads of the UN system

11:15

organisations, as well as many other

11:17

leaders from the heads of major

11:19

institutions. I'm joined now

11:22

by the ever dapper Oscar Guardiola Rivera,

11:24

who's a professor in international law

11:26

and international affairs at Birkbeck

11:28

College, looking swell as

11:30

usual. Oscar, lovely to have you with

11:32

us. Well, in the morning,

11:34

one has to bring colour. You've

11:37

certainly done that. Can you tell

11:39

us more about this meeting? What's the focus? The

11:42

focus last year was

11:45

climate change and also

11:48

drugs policy and regulation

11:51

of data. It

11:53

is likely that those things

11:55

will remain in the agenda,

11:57

but as all... In

12:00

the know would tell you of course

12:02

the situation in Gaza is going

12:05

to be at the center of

12:07

the meeting this time. Not

12:10

possibly. This is the first

12:13

time that such a meeting takes place

12:15

in a Latin American country. And

12:17

it is taking place a day

12:19

after Colombia announced that it would

12:21

break, you know, server diplomatic relations

12:24

with Israel. This would make it

12:26

the third Latin American country to

12:28

do so after Bolivia and

12:31

Belize. Now tell us about

12:33

the significance of the fact that Chile is

12:35

hosting. It is very

12:37

significant. Gutierrez had been in

12:39

Chile late last year

12:42

and he traveled to Antarctica

12:44

in order to both

12:47

let's say showcase and confirm

12:49

the effects of climate change

12:52

in that part of the world.

12:55

So the fact that

12:58

he is returning also

13:00

means that this is of course, you

13:03

know, priority number one. I mean there

13:05

is no other situation

13:08

or other challenge more

13:10

urgent for humankind than

13:12

this one. But

13:14

just to add to the

13:17

immense challenge, now we have

13:19

a war that is threatening

13:22

to escalate. In

13:24

fact, yesterday after Gutierrez

13:26

visited Gabrielle Borich, the

13:29

Chilean president, he

13:31

referred to the conflict in Gaza.

13:33

He begged his words both

13:36

parties to the conflict to come to

13:38

a truce,

13:42

a ceasefire, precisely

13:45

because of the tremendous danger

13:47

of escalation in the region.

13:50

And Latin America has

13:52

led in a sense

13:55

the diplomatic charge

13:57

to find a peaceful solution

14:00

in Gaza. So perhaps that

14:03

might tell the audience why Guterres decided to

14:06

go back to Chile. And of

14:08

course there are heads of other major institutions

14:10

there, such as? Every

14:13

single important agency, not only in the

14:15

United Nations but in the world, is

14:17

going to be there, from UNESCO

14:21

to the International Labour

14:23

Organization, all

14:25

the way to the World Bank and

14:27

International Monetary Fund. So again,

14:30

PNUD, every single organization of

14:33

the United Nations system is

14:35

going to be there. As you

14:38

put it, Georgina, the point of the

14:40

meeting is coordination. But clearly the

14:42

questions are much sharp enough.

14:44

It's not just coordination. If

14:46

you ask UN members,

14:49

I was meeting with some of

14:51

them in Edinburgh last

14:53

month, well, the question

14:55

they're asking is whether or not

14:57

the UN system, the very post-World

14:59

War peacekeeping

15:02

system, is in danger

15:04

of becoming obsolete. So

15:06

the President of the Security Council of the United

15:08

Nations for the month of May is Ambassador

15:11

Pedro Camisario Ofonso, who's the

15:14

permanent representative of Mozambique. Will

15:16

this mean a renewed interest

15:18

in self-to-self conversations? After

15:21

the case, I firmly believe that historians

15:23

of the future will tell us that

15:25

2024 is a clear

15:30

key year precisely because of the return of

15:33

what used to be known in the 1970s

15:35

as the Tri-Continental

15:37

Alliance, that network

15:40

of countries of

15:42

Asia, Africa and

15:45

Latin America, which in the

15:47

1970s went as, you know,

15:49

having proven its power as

15:52

the majority of the General Assembly

15:54

of the United Nations, issued a

15:57

call for a new internationally-constructed system.

15:59

economic order. And to

16:02

many, that's exactly what the continuation

16:04

of that interrupted project is, but

16:07

we're witnessing a return

16:09

of. There

16:11

is, of course, the

16:14

proximity between Brazil and

16:17

China. We know

16:19

that just a couple

16:21

of weeks ago when President

16:24

Lula da Silva was in

16:26

Colombia visiting Gustavo Petro, Colombia

16:28

asked for entry

16:30

into the organization. The Bolivian foreign

16:32

minister who was in Beijing this

16:35

week did the same. So you

16:37

can see a sort of,

16:40

let's call it bifurcation for lack of

16:42

a better world, or the organization of

16:44

the countries of the south in

16:46

at least three or four continents to try

16:49

and create a

16:52

different rule-based system with

16:54

no exception. I mean,

16:57

when we say south to south, though,

16:59

we assume some kind of parity, but

17:01

come somewhere like Mozambique really be put

17:03

side by side with Chile or Zambia

17:06

and Ghana with Colombia and Uruguay. I

17:08

mean, what more than a hemisphere and

17:10

in some cases membership of BRICS do

17:12

these countries share? That's the

17:15

very interesting dynamic

17:17

of this architecture. It

17:20

thrives and aspires towards

17:22

the equal application of

17:24

international law, and

17:26

that explains why countries such

17:28

as different as Mozambique and

17:32

Brazil and or China

17:35

might get together. There

17:37

is also a sense, whether we

17:39

agree with it or not, of

17:42

a shared history of anticolonialist

17:45

struggle, and that

17:47

also illuminates the perspective

17:49

on conflicts such as

17:51

gas. It is seen

17:53

by many as a

17:55

return of that kind of situation, and that

17:57

might be a very interesting topic. explain

18:01

the aspiration for

18:03

equalization between such diverse

18:06

countries, maintaining diversity while

18:10

reaffirming the equal application of

18:12

international law is of course

18:15

at the very heart of the UN system.

18:17

So Volker Turk, who you mentioned, who's the

18:19

UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, met with

18:22

the President of Chile, as you said, prior

18:24

to the summit. He pointed out

18:26

that much remains to be done in the

18:28

area of transitional justice. He also spoke about

18:30

issues linked to the 2019 social

18:33

protest. He said that priority

18:35

areas are the adoption of

18:37

a law on freedom of

18:39

assembly in line with international

18:41

human rights standards, the provision

18:43

of comprehensive reparations and police

18:45

reform that strengthens accountability. I

18:47

wonder where Chile currently stands with

18:50

regard to all of this. Are they

18:52

making progress? It is

18:54

making progress. I mean, the very fact

18:56

that someone like Gabriel Borich is the

18:58

President of Chile is proof of that

19:01

progress. I mean, we're talking about a

19:03

country that from 1973 onwards

19:08

was, you know, of

19:11

course always

19:13

high up in the list of human

19:15

rights violations and where

19:18

the very possibility of someone

19:20

coming from the left again

19:22

in power was seen as

19:24

an impossibility. In fact, in

19:26

this respect, Chile shares

19:28

its renewed fortunes with other

19:30

countries of the region such

19:32

as Colombia. So the contradictions

19:35

that you mentioned are still

19:37

very present in these countries.

19:39

Freedom of expression, freedom of

19:41

assembly is a huge topic.

19:43

Both Borich and Petro came

19:46

into power in the wake

19:48

of a social explosion. And

19:50

now, you know, after

19:53

seeing young people in countries like

19:55

Chile and Colombia taking to the

19:57

streets, we're witnessing the same happening

19:59

in the United States. the States

20:01

in Canada, countries that we would

20:03

otherwise qualify

20:05

as defenders of freedom of

20:07

expression, we're witnessing their

20:10

democratic governments repressing their

20:12

own youth, ability

20:14

to protest by calling it chaos, by

20:16

calling it what it is not, precisely

20:20

when it is that voice is

20:22

most needed. The voice of the

20:24

youth together with the voice of

20:26

peoples of color, of indigenous peoples

20:29

are crucial, absolutely at

20:31

the heart of us, solving both

20:33

climate change and the current wars.

20:36

The voice must be heard. And

20:38

of course we'll be looking at the Media Freedom Index,

20:41

which was just released at 5am this morning,

20:43

a little bit later on in

20:45

the programme, looking at freedom of the

20:47

media and of expression. Just finally

20:49

before we go, do you expect

20:52

there to be concrete action points

20:54

emerging from this mega summit? Well,

20:56

the mega summit always is a kind

20:58

of internal meeting. It is

21:01

a meeting of the various structures

21:03

of the United Nations. And

21:05

the result of these meetings is

21:08

always invariably a very concrete plan

21:10

of action. Last

21:13

year, for instance, there were

21:15

concrete decisions about the very,

21:18

you know, work environment within

21:20

the United Nations, as well

21:22

as concrete proposals for the

21:25

regulation of global data. I

21:28

am pretty certain we're going to see that

21:31

kind of decision. But this year, my

21:34

bet is that because of

21:37

the crucial public importance

21:40

of what is happening in Gaza

21:42

and climate change, we

21:44

will see calls in

21:46

that respect. In fact, as

21:48

I pointed out yesterday, the

21:50

Secretary General of the United

21:52

Nations reaffirmed its call

21:55

for a ceasefire. And the

21:57

countries of the Americas are already taking

21:59

the lead. lead in terms

22:01

of precisely putting diplomatic pressure

22:03

on at least one of

22:05

the parties to do so.

22:08

Oscar, Guardiola, Rivera, thank you

22:10

very much indeed. And with

22:12

a swish of his fabulous coat and a tip

22:14

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22:53

culture and sustainability writer. Welcome

22:56

back to the show. I don't know

22:58

if you heard Oscar there talking about

23:00

those protests in US universities, which have

23:02

now of course spread to Canada, as

23:05

we're reporting in our headlines. Now, a

23:07

lot of coverage, particularly about what's been

23:09

going on at Columbia University in New

23:11

York. The New York Times

23:13

has a big piece breaking

23:16

down exactly what happened and

23:19

how events unfolded with police

23:21

presence there. Tell us more. Yes,

23:24

that's right. It's really quite

23:26

a fascinating story. They detail

23:28

how following weeks

23:31

of protest and the

23:33

encampments, things took

23:35

a radical new tone on

23:37

Tuesday when a group of

23:39

students decided to occupy Hamilton

23:41

Hall, a pretty main academic

23:43

building at Columbia. And

23:47

it's really fascinating. Full

23:50

disclosure, my daughter is a graduating senior

23:52

at Columbia. And we have

23:54

been getting daily missives from the school,

23:57

one of which had said some days

23:59

ago we are not going to call

24:01

the police again. And then after the students entered

24:03

Hamilton Hall, clearly

24:06

prepared to stay. They

24:09

had tea kettles and tents and

24:11

microwaves and sleeping bags. The

24:14

school met all night long. Another

24:17

letter from the head of, from

24:19

Shafiq has told us that they met

24:21

all night long and then decided in the morning

24:23

that they did indeed have to call the New

24:25

York Police Department because this had

24:27

become a law enforcement matter. And

24:31

the police, this

24:33

is how we know that the

24:35

protesters had been planning to stay

24:38

because the police have since distributed

24:40

photographs to the press of

24:43

all of their methods

24:45

of barricading themselves, bringing in

24:47

police barricades, locking the doors,

24:50

all of the items that they

24:53

had to stay a while and

24:55

including lists on

24:57

a whiteboard of everyone's dietary

24:59

habits. Written in bubble writing,

25:01

which I find slightly disturbing. I don't

25:03

know if you've ever been to Hamilton

25:05

Hall, but it is in its state

25:07

of disrepair. There are

25:09

allegations that there was wilful damage

25:12

done to the building. Yes,

25:15

well, that's probably true. There was

25:17

also an altercation with

25:22

a facilities worker that was in the building

25:24

and the photograph of that is really quite

25:26

alarming. Now, Russia, China

25:29

and Iran are exploiting this US

25:31

divide. Tell us more about that

25:33

coverage. That's right. Well,

25:35

it's, as we know,

25:37

even backing up, the Republicans have sort of

25:39

jumped on this and

25:41

are accusing Democrats

25:44

and Biden of being, of

25:46

fueling the fans of anti-Semitism.

25:48

That's actually Lamont, which

25:51

had a pretty interesting article on

25:53

that. A rich, rich

25:55

statement from the same party that said

25:57

nothing when protesters back in Charlottesville. carried

26:01

swastikas. So

26:03

it's creating a lot of division and that

26:06

division is, as you say, being fueled by,

26:08

gleefully fueled by parties

26:12

that are not necessarily United States best friends.

26:16

Russia, China, and

26:18

Iran are creating just

26:21

dozens of fictitious stories related

26:23

to this, dealing to

26:25

fans on all kinds of social media. And

26:30

over 400 articles have been written about

26:32

the protests by these

26:34

state media. Now, as

26:36

many other papers are reporting, Joe Biden

26:38

has broken his silence. He's directly addressed

26:41

the US people, condemning

26:43

the actions of many protesters. Yeah, he

26:45

does. And it was really not

26:47

too soon considering how much

26:50

flag he was getting for it from the Republican Party

26:52

and how much of a wedge issue the

26:54

Republicans were trying to make this become. So

26:56

he basically said, you know,

26:58

people have the right to protest, but they don't

27:01

have the right to sow chaos. And

27:03

he concluded his remarks by saying any

27:06

sort of racism

27:10

or any sort of hate speech,

27:12

be it anti-Semitism or Islamophobia, has

27:14

no place in America. Now,

27:17

as you say, your daughter's graduating in

27:19

a couple of weeks' time. Now,

27:21

she must be of the generation

27:23

that missed years of classroom teaching

27:25

because of COVID. And now it

27:27

looks like their graduation too will

27:29

be disrupted. How are students feeling

27:32

about this, those that aren't directly

27:34

involved in the protests? Yeah,

27:36

well, it's everyone is sort

27:39

of pretty depressed about it

27:41

and really concerned. Yes,

27:43

this is the generation that

27:46

didn't have high school graduations. Whether

27:49

they were virtual or drive-by graduations, they

27:51

spent their first year of school online,

27:55

most of them not even in New York City

27:57

for that first semester. So

28:00

they're really quite upset about

28:02

it. Now we have that the school

28:04

has sent many letters assuring families

28:07

that a graduation will take place. Other

28:09

students have been encouraged to leave campus

28:11

as soon as possible, but seniors are

28:13

encouraged to stay and stay

28:16

through graduation, which is supposed to occur the

28:18

week after next. So we will see

28:20

if that actually happens. Let's

28:24

have a look at Robert F. Kennedy,

28:26

the third party candidate. He

28:28

has just been endorsed by a right-wing party. What

28:30

is the Washington Post saying about this? Well,

28:33

it's really quite remarkable. So in

28:35

order to be able to be

28:37

voted for in

28:39

November, Kennedy has to get on the ballots

28:42

of multiple states across the United States. There

28:44

are a couple of ways to do that.

28:47

One is to get enough signatures, and the

28:49

other one is to get the endorsement of

28:51

a minor party. In the

28:53

case of California, that party is

28:55

the American Independent Party, and it

28:58

is quite remarkable. It has a

29:00

history of support for extremely right-wing

29:02

causes. They had

29:04

supported segregationist Alabama Governor

29:06

George Wallace. Just

29:10

back in 2015, the

29:12

former chairman

29:15

of the party had written a book saying

29:17

that it is genetic

29:19

differences, not discrimination. That is the

29:21

reason that black students don't do

29:23

as well at school as white students. Posting

29:28

on X, Kennedy Jr. says that this

29:30

party has been reborn as

29:33

a party that represents not bigotry and

29:35

hatred, but rather compassion and unity and

29:38

idealism and common sense. We

29:42

might think that this means that

29:44

perhaps Kennedy will

29:46

take votes away from Trump rather than Biden,

29:49

but considering that this party actually had

29:51

previously endorsed Trump, I'm not so sure.

29:54

Maybe it's a very self-interested thing to

29:56

do, and most analysts think that

29:59

despite this, Kennedy

30:01

will actually be a spoiler more for Biden

30:03

than Trump. Let's

30:05

go now to some local news from

30:07

Zurich. This is all about an Italian

30:09

politician who's been up to no good

30:12

multiple times. It

30:14

is really quite a story. Yes, the

30:16

tag us on Siger. Our local Zurich newspaper

30:19

is reporting on Piero Fassino, who is

30:21

an MP for the Partito Democratico and

30:23

a former mayor of Turin. And up

30:25

until now, a very

30:27

respected politician, regarded

30:29

as just a gentle, lovely person.

30:32

But it turns out that he

30:34

has a penchant for fine perfume,

30:37

particularly from the Rome Duty Free

30:39

Shop. He was

30:42

caught carrying a hundred

30:44

euro bottle of Chanel Chants by

30:47

a security car guard. He

30:49

claimed that it was all a misunderstanding, that he

30:51

had taken a phone call. And because he had

30:54

a roller bag, he put it in his pocket.

30:57

But it turns out that the

30:59

security footage shows something quite different. He

31:01

put it in his pocket and left

31:03

the store. And this is

31:05

not the first time. Back in December, a

31:08

shopkeeper at the store noticed this

31:10

and recognized him as a

31:12

politician and was sort of embarrassed and then sort

31:15

of said, may I help you? And he said,

31:17

oh, yes, I was hoping to buy

31:19

this. But he's done it a few

31:21

times. Sometimes the security guards haven't gotten there

31:23

in time. He

31:25

claims that he is being bullied, that the

31:29

media is jumping on this to defame him. But

31:31

he wasn't even buying it for him. Well, they

31:33

say he said he was buying it for his

31:35

wife, but he was on his way to Strasbourg,

31:38

which would be a long way to

31:41

come back to Italy. So yeah, so

31:44

social media is having a field day. For me, the

31:46

most appalling part of the story is

31:48

surely he knows nobody buys their perfume

31:50

at duty free. Well,

31:53

he wasn't buying it, right? Well, exactly.

31:56

Noelle Salmi, thank you very much. Noelle was joining us

31:58

from our Zurich studio, which is right adjacent in

32:00

fact you can hear it in the background

32:02

to our Monocle cafe there at Joseph Strasse

32:05

90. If you're in the area do

32:07

pop in she's still there the papers are there

32:09

there's delicious coffee and we're waiting to give you

32:11

a warm welcome. Now here's what

32:13

else we've got our eye on today. Turkey

32:18

has stopped all exports and imports

32:20

to and from Israel citing

32:22

the worsening humanitarian tragedy in

32:24

the Palestinian territories. The two countries

32:27

had a trade volume of six point eight billion dollars

32:29

in 2023. Israel's foreign minister reacted by saying

32:33

this is how a dictator behaves

32:35

disregarding the interests of the Turkish

32:37

people and businessmen and ignoring international

32:39

trade agreements. Students

32:41

have erected a pro-Palestinian camp

32:43

at Montreal's McGill University and

32:45

at other Canadian schools including

32:47

the universities of Toronto, British

32:50

Columbia and Ottawa demanding the

32:52

institutions divest from groups with ties

32:54

to Israel. The Canadian protests

32:56

come as police have been arresting hundreds

32:58

on US campuses and the death toll

33:01

in Garver has been mounting and

33:03

Britain's opposition Labour Party won a parliamentary

33:05

seat in Northern England beating the governing

33:07

conservatives in one of a series of

33:10

votes that will help gauge public opinion

33:12

ahead of a full national election due

33:14

this year. The victory set

33:16

the early tone on what will be a

33:18

closely watched two days of results from elections

33:20

for over 2,000 seats on local

33:22

authorities across England and a handful

33:24

of high-profile mayoral elections including

33:26

in the capital London. This

33:29

is The Globalist. Stay tuned.

33:39

It's a busy week for diplomats.

33:41

Those that aren't in Santiago may

33:43

well be in Copenhagen. More than

33:45

15 African foreign ministers and all

33:47

Nordic foreign ministers are participating in

33:49

the Nordic African foreign ministers meeting

33:51

on Naum in Denmark. Naum

33:54

aims to enhance dialogue between

33:56

African and Nordic countries on current

33:58

foreign policy and global issues.

34:01

So I'm joined now from Copenhagen

34:03

by Lars Enberg-Peterson, who is the

34:06

head of the research unit at

34:08

the Danish Institute for International Studies.

34:10

Lars, welcome to Monocle Radio. Why

34:13

is it important for Denmark to

34:15

engage with African leaders? Yeah,

34:19

I think it is a part of a slightly

34:22

changed foreign policy in

34:25

Denmark recently, which also

34:28

takes place in other Nordic countries,

34:30

namely a realisation

34:32

that Africa

34:35

and the global south in general have

34:38

become much more important for

34:41

global affairs and that

34:44

perhaps the Nordic countries have a chance

34:46

to do something and

34:48

to engage and perhaps

34:50

get better relations.

34:53

You can see that here

34:55

the Nordic countries have groups

34:57

together and that may

34:59

also be a way of

35:01

distancing themselves a bit from

35:04

old colonial powers and others

35:06

so that they try to

35:08

pick their own position in

35:11

global discussions. Well, it's interesting you

35:13

mentioned colonial powers. Around 10,000

35:16

square kilometres of what's now southeast Ghana

35:18

was colonised by Denmark. I think it

35:20

was 1663. It was sold to

35:23

Britain in 1850. How does that

35:25

legacy affect Denmark's relationship with Ghana

35:27

today? Yeah, it doesn't

35:30

affect it very much. The

35:33

relationship has been very good for many years

35:35

and there has been quite

35:37

intense cooperation which have been

35:40

focused on development issues and

35:42

development assistance but has now turned

35:45

into a more commercial relationship and

35:47

a diplomatic relationship. So I wouldn't

35:49

say that that has been a

35:51

problem but you are quite right

35:54

in saying that there is a

35:57

colonial legacy here also but time has

35:59

been a bit of a problem. has changed with respect

36:01

to that relationship. How is

36:03

Denmark attempting to counter Russian

36:05

influence in various African countries?

36:09

Yeah, we are yet to see that.

36:13

I think the history is that Denmark

36:15

has had many relatively

36:19

intense programs of development

36:21

cooperation with a number

36:23

of African countries. And

36:26

in recent years, there has also

36:28

been a more focus on

36:31

preventing migration, and

36:33

also perhaps supporting

36:36

security issues in the Sahelian countries,

36:39

in Mali, in Burkina Faso, in Niger.

36:43

But we will now have to

36:45

see how the new strategy, the new white

36:47

paper will be turned into concrete

36:49

action. There's much

36:52

talk about pragmatic idealism,

36:54

something where we are

36:56

less firm on

36:58

what we want from Denmark's

37:01

side, and listen more to

37:03

partners. And we have yet

37:06

to see how that will actually turn

37:08

out in reality. But the

37:10

idea, I suppose, is to get on

37:13

friendly terms with a number of

37:15

countries in Africa, also to

37:18

achieve more

37:20

cooperation at the global

37:22

level in the UN

37:24

and other international world.

37:27

When you talk about supporting security

37:30

operations in the Sahel and elsewhere,

37:33

what do you mean exactly? How is that achieved?

37:36

Yeah, Denmark has had soldiers

37:38

in Mali for

37:41

some time. But they were kicked

37:43

out together with the French here

37:46

last year. So

37:48

that has been quite concrete. And

37:51

that is probably also reminiscent

37:55

of earlier days

37:57

where Denmark has been quite active.

38:00

in Afghanistan and other places.

38:02

So the idea of having soldiers

38:05

on the ground is not very

38:08

far away from the Danish politicians, but

38:11

I think increasingly this

38:13

is not becoming a very

38:17

obvious option to Danish politicians.

38:20

Now, I understand the particular focus of this

38:22

iteration of the meeting in Copenhagen is

38:24

trade, and I wonder how much trade

38:26

and investment there is between Denmark and

38:28

the 54 nations of

38:30

Africa. Does it flow both ways, and what

38:32

does it largely consist of? We

38:37

have a number of, or

38:39

a few larger firms, Maersk,

38:41

who is working in

38:43

shipping and Northern Ordisland

38:47

with a medical company.

38:49

So some of these very large

38:51

companies, they are actually operating on

38:54

their own in

38:56

many places in Africa. Yes,

38:59

the point is, can we

39:01

get some mutuality into this?

39:03

I think that's what

39:06

the African leaders really want. They want

39:08

more trade, they want

39:10

more production in

39:12

their countries. So the

39:14

question is whether we can or

39:18

the Danish government can convince Danish companies

39:20

to invest more in African

39:22

countries, and I wonder whether that

39:25

is possible, because a widespread

39:28

feeling is that the risks

39:30

are very high, even though

39:32

evidence indicates that

39:35

private investments are not that risky in

39:39

many African countries. So

39:42

that will take some time, I

39:44

guess, but I really think that

39:46

that's what the African leaders want.

39:49

Lars Enberg-Peterson, thank you very much

39:51

indeed. You're with Monocle Radio.

40:00

around the world is being threatened

40:02

by the very people who should

40:04

be as guarantors political authorities. Reporters

40:07

Without Borders says this is clear from the

40:09

latest annual World Press Freedom Index, which RFS

40:11

produces. The 2024 index was released a little

40:13

over two hours ago and Fiona

40:18

O'Brien, who's the UK Bureau Director

40:20

of RFS, joins me now to

40:22

analyse the results. Fiona,

40:24

welcome. The report says governments

40:26

are failing to protect journalism.

40:28

Is this influenced by the fact

40:31

that it is a super election year and

40:33

press freedom and what gets out there is

40:35

more important than ever? Good

40:37

morning, Georgina. Yes, as you say,

40:40

our annual index, which is released

40:42

this morning, shows this year that

40:44

political authorities and of all

40:46

persuasions, all political persuasions, governments,

40:48

other political actors are

40:51

increasingly not fulfilling their role to protect

40:53

press freedom and the right of all

40:55

citizens to information. We

40:58

look when we compile the index

41:00

at a range of indicators, all

41:02

of which influence press freedom. So we

41:04

look at the political context, the social

41:07

context, the legal context, the economic context

41:09

and of course also the safety of

41:11

journalists. And this year, the

41:13

indicator that has fallen the furthest globally

41:15

by seven point six points is indeed

41:18

the political. And that tallies with what

41:20

we've seen at RFS, you know, a

41:22

worrying decline worldwide in support and respect

41:25

for the autonomy of media and

41:27

increase in pressure from the state or

41:29

other political actors. And as

41:31

you say, that becomes all the more worrying

41:34

in a year when countries with around

41:36

half the world's population will go or

41:38

have already recently been to the polls.

41:41

I wonder if you could give us the main

41:43

takeaways from the different regions if we could begin

41:45

with the Middle East and North Africa. The

41:48

Middle East and North Africa is

41:51

the worst performing of the regions

41:53

around the world. It's

41:56

a very difficult zone in which to practice

41:58

journalism. This

42:00

year, of course, most notable has

42:02

been the conflict in Gaza, which

42:04

has been disastrous for journalism and

42:07

really shows thinking about the political

42:10

indicator again, really shows that even on an

42:12

international level, there's been a clear lack of

42:15

political and diplomatic will on the part of

42:17

the international community to enforce principles

42:19

of protection of journalists. So in

42:21

Gaza alone, you know, since October,

42:23

the Israeli defense forces have killed

42:25

more than 100 journalists and

42:27

there have been numerous other violations through

42:30

the region and so far with complete

42:32

impunity. If you look beyond Gaza to

42:34

the rest of the Middle East and

42:36

North Africa, the situation is what we

42:38

would consider very serious. So that's our

42:40

lowest classification in nearly half of the

42:42

countries. So a really

42:44

difficult area for journalists to operate

42:46

and very little journalistic freedom. And

42:49

in Sub-Saharan Africa? Sub-Saharan

42:53

Africa was again thinking about the election theme was affected by

42:55

political violence during a number of elections in 2023. More than

42:57

8% of African countries are now colored

43:01

red on our map. Again, that's the categorization is

43:03

the worst for us that we consider

43:06

a very serious situation. And that's twice as many as in 2023. And we've

43:08

seen crackdowns

43:11

on reporters in Nigeria, Togo, Madagascar, and

43:13

a decline in security across several

43:21

Sahu countries as well. So places like

43:23

Niger, Burkina Faso, and Mali. And

43:26

in the Asia Pacific? Asia

43:30

Pacific no longer occupies the

43:32

three bottom places as it did last year.

43:34

But again, the region is a very difficult

43:36

one for journalists, the second worst

43:38

performing region in the world. Five

43:41

countries in Asia Pacific are among

43:43

the world's 10 most dangerous countries

43:45

for media. That's Myanmar, China, North

43:47

Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan. And

43:50

none of the region's countries is in

43:52

the index's top 15. So another area

43:55

of great concern. And finally Europe. Europe

43:59

once again performing. forms best out of our

44:01

regions. Indeed, if you look at the index, we

44:03

look at 180 countries and territories overall,

44:06

and Europe occupies all of the top

44:08

19 places, top

44:10

20 places with the exception just

44:12

of Canada and New Zealand. So Europe generally

44:14

performing quite well. I would

44:17

say that the very top categorisation, so those

44:19

are countries where we would consider press

44:22

freedom to be guaranteed, there are only eight countries,

44:24

all European, but that represents less than

44:26

1% of the world's population. The

44:29

majority of European countries then fall into the

44:31

next zone, which is places like the UK,

44:33

for example, where we would consider the situation

44:36

satisfactory. That means that generally

44:38

speaking, it's fairly free for journalists to

44:40

work, but there are nonetheless a number

44:43

of areas of concern and a lot

44:45

of things that governments and

44:47

other political actors could be and should be

44:49

doing to really fulfil

44:52

their duty to uphold press freedom and

44:54

to protect it. And Fiona, finally, how can

44:56

people, listeners actually

44:59

get hold of this report? The

45:02

report's available. The easiest way to do it is just to

45:04

go to our website, rss.org, and

45:06

it's on that front page. There's a huge

45:08

amount for anyone listening who's interested in a

45:10

particular region. There's a lot of sort of

45:13

analysis available, looking at different individual countries.

45:15

Every single country has its own page

45:17

with a breakdown of the indicators I

45:19

mentioned. You can also look at regional

45:21

analyses and so forth. So that would

45:23

be the best place to find it

45:25

today. Fiona, thank you very much indeed.

45:27

That was Fiona O'Brien from Reporters Without

45:29

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so as a really big goal in

47:06

science to come up with bio degradable

47:08

or. More. Sustainable ways of making.

47:11

Things. That have the the characteristics of plastic

47:13

book which don't hang around for potentially centuries.

47:16

And there's a pipe around. the journal Nature

47:18

Communications this week's and the inverse to California

47:20

San Diego and will. This team of dance

47:22

is to make a form of polyurethane, but

47:25

when they're making it same bed, dispose of

47:27

a microbe code bacillus such a list and

47:29

this as she lives in our own guts

47:31

and in the environment so it's very common.

47:34

Back term is not in any way harmful

47:36

and it's very resilience. You can heat it

47:38

to over hundred and thirty degrees to make

47:40

the plastic. To. Win! This plastic

47:43

his then dumped into the environment. The

47:45

spores can germinate, the bacteria come back

47:47

to life, and they begin to eat

47:49

the plastic. And within five months, they've

47:51

eaten Ninety percent of the plastic and

47:53

it makes the plastic. This polyurethane degraded

47:55

twice the rate that it would do

47:57

out there in nature, normally so of.

48:00

Just a starting point for this one.

48:02

Very clever way of making materials that

48:04

appear to be very good at not

48:07

leaving a long lasting legacy. Only barman.

48:09

Sniffles On to stem cells and

48:11

this discovery that they'd just mice

48:13

and rats. A sense of smell.

48:16

Was a point of this study is to

48:19

try to understand how we can fix damaged

48:21

brains because as we all live longer with

48:23

succumbing to diseases of old age which orphaned

48:25

degenerative diseases and brain diseases or way up

48:28

there at the top of the list because

48:30

the nerve cells you're born with have to

48:32

last you a long time, you've no capacity

48:35

to renew them so we'll see more more

48:37

people potentially living long enough to develop diseases

48:39

like Alzheimer's disease. And the scary statistic is

48:41

that by about twenty fifty, as many as

48:44

one in three of the population may have.

48:46

Alzheimer's disease or disease like it's so we

48:48

think the best way to fix this is

48:51

to put cells back into the brain. The

48:53

can restore some of the last functions and

48:55

make up for some of the law cells.

48:57

And the thing is just about making it

49:00

work and understanding the mechanisms by which sells

49:02

might be able to do that. And as

49:04

a couple of papers, Magenta sell Los Week

49:07

where researchers in America has taken rat stem

49:09

cells put them into early embryos of mice

49:11

and the reason I use wrapped cells as

49:13

they can easily see where they're going in

49:16

the. Mouse animal the mouth body and

49:18

they take themselves off to the brains

49:20

of these mice were the researchers have

49:22

programs the mice to have. A

49:25

of absence of the normal smell circuitry

49:27

for these mice. Can't smell does. I'm

49:29

missing the right connections of the rights.

49:32

Also sells these refs. Stem cells can

49:34

make their way into the brain, wash

49:36

themselves in having turned into the right

49:38

sorts of nerve cells and restore the

49:40

sense of smell that was missing from

49:42

these mice. And this is an initial

49:45

step to show us that there are

49:47

clearly signals that in the mature nervous

49:49

system that stem cells can follow and

49:51

beat Guy did to turn into the

49:53

right source of cells and program. Themselves

49:55

to become the right circuitry to

49:57

make up for lost brain circuits.

50:00

So this is a step towards that goal

50:02

of being have to do cell therapy on

50:05

a disease brain. Or of wonderful

50:07

new sets. Let's talk now about

50:09

Cambridge. Physicists and way to

50:11

produce or capture sunlight. Will

50:15

we've got. A big

50:17

industry around photovoltaics now the idea of

50:19

using solar panels to capture the sun's

50:22

energy but that use is enormous

50:24

heavy slabs of silicon and the result

50:26

is about and thirty percent efficiency producing

50:28

electricity which is only there when the

50:31

sun is shining which means we got

50:33

a storage problems. We want to have

50:35

different voltages that can do more

50:37

exciting things with different materials as a

50:40

cheap and readily available and possibly lighter

50:42

than silicon. That's. The goal

50:44

that Cambridge University scientists some strength has

50:47

been pursuing and published a paper last

50:49

week showing how they've got a technique

50:51

where they can grow. they do in

50:53

liquid, actually very pure, very regular crystals

50:56

of a copper oxide and they can

50:58

get this to form of a photo

51:00

voltaic or solar cell but which has

51:03

an important characteristic which is you can

51:05

use the energy it produces electricity to

51:07

drive chemical reactions on the surface of

51:10

the material, which means you have an

51:12

all in one chemical. Factory You

51:14

have the power supply coming from

51:16

the some landing on the material

51:18

and producing the energy. And

51:20

it can then drive the energy in

51:22

suits their is catalysts links on the

51:25

surface. A you can make Hydrogen Institute's

51:27

or even trap carbon dioxide from the

51:29

environment and use that to make carbon

51:31

based fuels which you can tap often

51:33

store very easily and this means you

51:35

don't have the problem of taken the

51:37

electricity awaits turning it into site Hydrogen

51:40

store in the hundred and you can

51:42

do it all in one in one

51:44

place on one material and thirty exciting

51:46

early days but a very exciting sort

51:48

of glimpse into what the future. Of

51:51

photovoltaic chemistry Skin look like

51:53

Chris. Thank you so much that such

51:55

a Christmas! Ah, until listening to The

51:57

Globalists, I'm on a courageous. Now

52:05

let me tell you about an inspiring. Sort

52:07

so that will premiere. At the Tribeca

52:09

Film Festival on June the Seventh

52:11

Snow Ross is a captivating sort

52:14

portrayed documents that delves into the

52:16

extraordinary journey a skier mark Russia

52:18

as he rises to elite status

52:20

in the seriously competitive Wrote Asylum

52:22

skiing wealth. For lucky enough to

52:25

have him mock Rasa himself here

52:27

with us on the line from

52:29

Lucerne. Marks welcome to the program.

52:32

Morning Georgia thinks you. Know

52:34

this sounds directed by Basil, Psni

52:36

Burger and Nolan Buzzi and they

52:38

say that the work of as

52:41

a rule and intimate look at

52:43

your unwavering commitment to craft and

52:45

your unyielding results to overcome every

52:47

obstacle in you'll pass. Can you

52:49

tell us a little bit about

52:51

that tourney? Well.

52:53

Ski Racing, His eyes, assembly companies and

52:55

weldon.com I had the chance to to

52:58

pursue this to stream of mind childhood

53:00

dream of mine who are becoming less

53:02

and ski racer. It's my path has

53:05

been a little more complicated than than

53:07

others because I grew up in a

53:09

town and city far away from snow

53:12

and a nod to seats are compared

53:14

to how to ski racers it was

53:16

much more complicated for me to to

53:19

ski and train as a kid and

53:21

and so this this whole film. Tells

53:24

the story of of of a ski

53:26

racer of who who fought and and

53:28

and and and fine thrive through this

53:30

world's of to to to achieve the

53:33

school. And I wonder what inspired

53:35

you to wants to be a skier when

53:37

when you had none of that around. Gcc

53:39

grew up far away from the slopes. Well.

53:43

It's I have to say it's been

53:45

some sort of of a sunny person

53:48

or in the way I grew up.

53:50

the not in an environment where. I.

53:52

didn't really mean needed sport to

53:55

tude to succeed in life are

53:57

i grew up poor innocent even

53:59

we never needed. We were

54:01

never in need and I received

54:03

a fairly good education and so

54:06

sport wasn't like my only way

54:08

of success in life. But

54:11

I was extremely stubborn in a way and

54:15

I always dreamed of becoming maybe

54:17

one day one of the best ski racers

54:20

in the world and I fought for that

54:22

and I'm extremely proud of it. And

54:24

what have been the biggest challenges for you

54:26

along the way? Well

54:30

possibly mentally

54:33

it's been really tough. It's a

54:35

very competitive world and ski

54:38

racing is an individual sport but then

54:41

you kind of travel with the team

54:43

and you live with the team about

54:45

250 days a year and

54:47

it's really hard to open

54:49

up and talk about it

54:51

to your colleagues who are the

54:53

closest people to you simply

54:56

because you don't want to give

54:59

too much weakness out to your

55:01

competitors and it's really hard to

55:03

communicate about it and this project

55:05

has been a way for

55:08

me to speak up about it and

55:11

open up and be as transparent as I can.

55:14

Well yes, tell us about the process then of

55:16

starring in a film about your own life. Well

55:20

surely it's

55:23

a fantastic project. I was extremely proud of

55:25

it but then it's hard to as I

55:27

said open up and be as

55:29

transparent as you can but the thing is

55:32

both co-directors are childhood

55:34

friends of mine and that actually

55:36

helped in the process because they

55:38

offered me a platform where I

55:41

could be myself and

55:43

open up about it and

55:45

that environment helped me a lot

55:48

in the whole process. And

55:50

did you find that the cameras and the whole sort of filming

55:52

process interfered in what you were trying to do in your

55:55

professional performance? Not

55:57

really because as I said the the

56:00

whole environment was very positive. I've

56:03

been trained and I'm used to

56:05

being around cameras, especially

56:08

during the race season where constantly

56:10

ski racing is a very popular sport

56:12

in Switzerland. People are

56:14

expecting you to perform and we

56:18

get used to it in a sense, but

56:20

then having these very good friends of mine

56:22

around me did help a

56:24

lot in the whole process, yes. So

56:26

Mark, what are you going to tackle next? Well,

56:29

it's hard to say. This

56:32

is the part of the season, part of the year

56:34

where I get to lay back in

56:36

a sense and relax. In

56:39

about two weeks we're going to start the

56:41

dryland season, which is the physical training season.

56:45

But definitely this whole Tribeca

56:48

affair makes it so much more exciting.

56:51

I can't wait to go to New York and

56:54

present this film and start over

56:56

again with the whole season and we'll have

56:58

season coming up very soon. And

57:01

when you watch the film, Mark, how does it feel? Well,

57:04

it's tough in a

57:07

sense because I speak about

57:10

very dark moments

57:13

in my life and in my career. It's

57:18

hard to see myself speaking about it

57:20

because I never got the chance to

57:22

speak about the subject. So it

57:25

definitely brings up a lot of emotions. But

57:29

I'm very proud of what

57:32

Nolan and Basil created.

57:34

And I really hope this

57:37

film can touch younger athletes,

57:39

younger generations, and

57:41

teach them to speak out about what

57:44

tougher times in their lives. Mark

57:47

Rocha, thank you very much for joining

57:49

us here on The Globalist. And the

57:51

film's premiere is at the Tribeca Film

57:53

Festival on June 7th. And that's all

57:55

for today's programme. Thanks to our producers

57:57

Sophie Monaghan-Koons, Carlotta Rubella and Tom Waugh.

58:00

web by researcher George Ruskin and our studio

58:02

manager, Tanzan Howard. After the headlines, there's more

58:04

music on the way. The briefing is live

58:06

at midday in London and the globalist returns

58:08

at the same time on Monday. And let

58:11

me just tell you that over the weekend,

58:13

tomorrow, I'll be here for Monocle on Saturday

58:16

and we'll be looking at how

58:19

independent publishing works as well as looking

58:21

at the newspapers. On Sunday, my guest

58:23

is Avi Shlaim, who is the very

58:26

well-respected historian. He calls himself an Arab

58:28

Jew, gives a very, very clear-eyed view

58:31

of what's going on in the Middle East. I'm

58:33

Georgina Goveen. Thanks for listening.