0:01

It can be whatever we want it to be, so we don't

0:03

need to know what either of us want to do in five

0:05

or ten years. This container will allow

0:07

us to do anything we want to do. But

0:10

what we know is we'll be doing it together,

0:12

which is incredible. Hey, my

0:15

name is Jenna Kutcher and I am obsessed

0:17

with all things business, marketing numbers, and helping

0:19

you to navigate both the messy and the

0:22

magical seasons of this thing called life. I'm

0:24

a small town mama who took a $300 camera,

0:26

grew a successful photo biz, and now I

0:29

work from home and run a seven figure

0:31

online business. I teach you the tried and

0:33

true secrets to building a career you adore.

0:35

Shy away from the real talk? No

0:37

way. Money, hardship, growth, loss, and

0:39

marketing are all topics we discuss here. Think

0:41

of this as your one stop shop for

0:44

happy hour with a gal pal mixed with

0:46

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0:48

cozy, and get ready to be challenged and encouraged

0:50

while you learn. This is the

0:52

Gold Digger podcast. Should

0:54

you work with your spouse? I think

0:57

this is a great question. Now for the longest

0:59

time, I've gone on the record saying I could

1:01

never work with Drew. We

1:03

are amazing partners in marriage, in raising

1:05

babies in life, but I have just

1:07

known that the two of us are

1:09

not meant to be coworkers. So

1:12

I have always been fascinated by the

1:14

couples who seem to defy the odds,

1:16

who blend their personal and professional lives

1:18

together and who build successful

1:21

companies. And that is the couple I'm

1:23

going to introduce you to today. Matthew

1:26

has he is a New York

1:28

Times bestselling author, a speaker, and

1:30

a coach specializing in confidence and

1:32

relational intelligence. He's basically like a

1:35

relationship coach. His YouTube

1:37

channel is number one in the world for

1:39

love life advice with over a half of

1:41

a billion views. He's also the

1:43

host of the podcast, love life with Matthew

1:45

Hussey, and he provides monthly coaching to the

1:47

members of his private community. Now

1:49

over the past 15 years, Matthew's

1:52

proven approach has inspired millions through

1:54

authentic, insightful and practical advice that

1:56

not only enables them to find love, but

1:59

to also confident and in control

2:01

of their own happiness. And

2:03

now his wife Audrey has come

2:05

by his side on this mission.

2:07

She serves as a creative director

2:10

for his brand working alongside of

2:12

him and leading their team to

2:14

spearhead all of their marketing initiatives

2:16

to help create content and propel

2:18

the brand and the mission forward.

2:21

I asked them both to come on the

2:23

show because Matthew is in the process of

2:25

releasing his new book called love life, which

2:27

I highly encourage you to go grab a

2:29

copy of. And I wanted to hear the behind

2:32

the scenes of what it is really like to

2:34

work with your partner. Both Matthew

2:36

and Audrey admitted that they had never

2:38

had this type of conversation on air

2:40

and I am just so grateful for

2:42

their honesty, their vulnerability and their ability

2:44

to just show up and show the

2:46

behind the scenes of this reality. So

2:49

should you or should you not work

2:51

with someone you love? We dissect that

2:53

and so much more in today's episode.

2:55

It's so powerful. I can't wait for

2:57

you to hear it. So without further

2:59

ado, let's welcome Matthew and Audrey Hussey

3:01

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4:02

That's hubspot.com/state of marketing. So

4:05

I am absolutely elated

4:07

to be speaking to two of my friends today

4:10

and we are going to dive into a

4:12

topic I get asked about all the time and

4:14

a topic I cannot speak to you because I've

4:16

never done this and so I brought on my

4:18

favorite humans to talk about this and we

4:20

are going to dive off of the deep end.

4:23

So a lot of people tend to

4:25

either love mixing

4:28

business and their love

4:30

life or they totally separate it

4:32

as wide as possible mixing their

4:34

business and their marriage. What do

4:36

people get wrong when they

4:38

first hear that you two Matthew

4:40

and Audrey work together? Tell me

4:42

what happens. Hmm

4:46

I think the first thing

4:48

people say is I could never

4:50

do that. That sounds

4:53

absolutely awful and

4:55

actually our experience has been really really

4:58

positive. Like I

5:00

think that it's probably down to just

5:03

a personality kind of compatibility

5:05

when it comes to work. You know I think we

5:07

have like a very kind

5:09

of complementary feminine masculine thing going on.

5:12

Not to say there isn't ever conflict

5:14

because it absolutely is because you know

5:16

it's yeah it's not perfect but yeah

5:19

we really loved it haven't we? Yeah

5:21

I mean it's for us I

5:25

suppose people I don't

5:27

know maybe they have some idea of the

5:29

tension you're talking about or the amount

5:32

of sheer amount of time you end up

5:34

spending together which is an ungodly amount of

5:36

time and

5:39

for us that's been a positive.

5:43

Where it would I think be

5:45

a struggle is if the

5:47

two of us weren't good at speaking up about

5:49

what we needed in terms of

5:51

our own time. Like one of the

5:53

things like this week Audrey

5:56

most nights of the week is actually out

5:58

with her friends. And there's

6:01

a natural separation that happens because she

6:03

has great friends and because she goes

6:05

and hangs out with those friends and

6:08

she's just doing that independently. So a

6:10

lot of the time at the end of

6:13

the day, I'll be like, you know,

6:15

looking at her as if to say like, all right, shall we

6:17

go and get some food? And she'll be

6:20

like, oh, I'm actually seeing my friend tonight. And I'm

6:22

like, oh, okay. And then secretly, I'm

6:24

also a little bit excited because I'm like, that's

6:26

kind of cool. I get I get night to

6:28

myself. So it's like this, there's

6:30

a nice balance between us

6:32

doing our own thing. Audrey's

6:34

better at socializing than I am. I'm more of a

6:36

like, I just need a night on

6:39

my own, I like seeing or I need

6:41

a day just like reading and being in

6:43

my own thoughts. And I

6:45

what I've had to learn is to get better at

6:47

stating that I need a bit of time to

6:49

myself, because historically in

6:51

relationships and in my life, I

6:54

never did that. I just had resentment

6:57

and you know, I boil over and

6:59

then get overwhelmed and avoid and just

7:01

want to like, you know, run

7:03

away. But it was because I just wasn't good at speaking

7:06

up about the fact that I needed some

7:08

time to myself. What we do have

7:10

to do is kind of create rules around talking

7:13

shop, just because it's so easy just

7:15

to talk about it all the

7:18

time. Like we are, you

7:20

know, Audrey is now the

7:22

creative director for our entire

7:24

company. She is in

7:26

contact on a daily hourly minute

7:28

by minute basis with the top

7:31

people in the company way more

7:33

than even I am. And

7:36

she's the co host of the

7:38

podcast and she's coaching on our

7:40

retreats. And so like there's all

7:42

these elements, she's in so much

7:44

of everything that she's

7:47

like more aware of the day to day

7:49

goings on in the company than I am.

7:52

And that means that now it's

7:54

not just me bothering her about work,

7:56

it's her constantly bothering me about work.

7:58

And it's like at nine o'clock at night or

8:00

we're laying in bed at 10.30. And

8:03

she's like, so, so and so needs you to get back to the

8:05

month. And that for me, I'm

8:07

like, I feel like I've become the,

8:10

in a weird way, I feel like I've become

8:12

the unemployed one who is like, don't

8:14

talk to me about, can we please talk about something

8:16

else? And she's the one with like a extensive

8:19

to-do list of things for the company that

8:21

she needs my input on. So that's the

8:23

part where we have to get really clear

8:26

about like, we don't, it's

8:28

not like we make specific rules. Like after

8:30

9pm, we don't talk about work. Yes. It's

8:32

just a certain point. We have to look at each other and

8:34

be like, babe. We're

8:37

done. Great pillow

8:39

talk. I don't know what you're thinking. Yeah, come on.

8:42

You know, it just makes me

8:44

laugh so much because Drew is

8:46

very much like Audrey, like he's

8:48

social. Like when the pandemic happened,

8:50

that man was like dying because

8:52

he could talk to anyone.

8:55

And I, Matthew, am

8:57

so much like you where like,

8:59

I crave alone time. Like we're

9:02

having two young kids, like the house is

9:04

never empty. And so like, if the house

9:06

is empty, that is like, oh my gosh,

9:08

what a heavenly gift. And

9:10

so it's so interesting too, because I

9:12

think that that's such a beautiful balance

9:14

of like the extrovert and the introvert

9:17

in honoring that piece of one another.

9:19

Because oftentimes I feel like it can be

9:22

really hard to relate to the other side.

9:24

Like Drew, we have a Asana in our

9:26

home and he wants to go to the

9:28

YMCA to Asana so he can talk to

9:30

Bob. He apparently just got chickens, you know,

9:32

like where I'm like, I don't get it. Like

9:34

we have all this in our house. And so

9:37

I think that's a beautiful thing. Have

9:39

you guys always like anticipated working together?

9:41

I know you worked together before you

9:43

were married. So has that always been

9:45

kind of a part of the plan

9:47

of like, we're gonna continue this or

9:49

maybe someday we'll split off. Like what

9:52

does that look like in terms of

9:54

conversation? I knew way before

9:56

she did. Really? Yeah,

10:00

you did know because I would like

10:02

be kind of saying I knew

10:04

how It

10:06

was so clear to me so quickly the

10:09

Audrey we had Unbelievable

10:13

talent that for me

10:15

it was like and that by the way

10:17

I'm bad at a lot of

10:19

things but what I'm really good at is

10:21

spotting like who's a killer and who

10:24

like who's the next rock star of

10:27

our company like who's gonna be and

10:30

I Very quickly.

10:32

I was like, oh my god

10:34

like this person's She's

10:36

gonna be so it was clear to me

10:38

that she was gonna be so

10:40

high up there was gonna be one beautiful thing

10:43

about it, which was We're

10:45

gonna get like we're not gonna have the

10:47

problems that people have when one person is an

10:49

entrepreneur And traveling a lot and the other person

10:51

has a nine-to-five That would

10:53

have been so difficult because then now

10:56

we're just constantly apart Yeah, I

10:58

knew that we would be able to be constantly

11:00

together because we'd be able to work together But

11:03

I also knew that she would be

11:05

so capable that like I

11:07

actually might end up being the one fighting for

11:09

her time Not the other way

11:11

around. Yeah, and in a lot of ways that

11:13

kind of happened but I

11:16

knew like oh she's She's

11:19

gonna be this incredible person in this

11:21

organization And that was

11:23

long before she'd even had

11:26

any experience with you know an

11:28

organization like ours Cuz

11:30

or just from a completely different background. Yeah,

11:32

I was a producer in in television

11:34

So I used to make documentaries and

11:36

like it it

11:39

was completely completely different So I

11:41

learned everything from scratch. I didn't know what funnel was

11:43

until about two years ago But

11:45

now she speaks fluently on all

11:48

of these things and you

11:50

know for me It's what's fascinating

11:52

is like I'm so like I

11:55

can already see Like I

11:57

Can see how wildly capable she is. The

12:00

How talent is years. So I'm like. A.

12:02

Throwing her into things as she's like wait I've never

12:04

done this before I got guarantee that you like

12:06

a way I'm going to be on stage now in

12:09

front of movies to I'm What you find Stone do

12:11

like is. Almost. Like it. It's. It's

12:13

like not even are saying i register that.

12:16

She's. Not ready for that. I

12:18

know she years, but she doesn't know

12:20

that she is. so she's like still

12:23

having healthy, reasonable kind of self doubt.

12:25

And I'm like no, no, no, you're fine.

12:27

Can we just please move on to the

12:29

next thing the I've got lined up for

12:32

you before seasons Really like had a chance

12:34

to think about this thing I've thrown her

12:36

into, but it's become an amazing thing. And

12:38

finally, My name's were you together

12:40

when you started working together? What

12:42

was that story while I was

12:44

no you weren't now lie was

12:46

a producer in London you were

12:48

living in L A. And

12:50

we will. Long distances of success Houses are relationship

12:52

for about two years of a long distance K

12:55

and we can I when he came home and

12:57

you have him for like a month and a

12:59

half knows working on a production. And. I

13:01

was managing a big team. And. I think

13:03

that was the last big production I did before we

13:05

set a working together and I wonder whether that's when

13:07

you were like. Within. A went to get

13:09

was. Actually why I wouldn't advise I

13:11

had to finish our next to land a

13:14

job as I was like the moment this

13:16

is finished like this so much that you

13:18

can get involved in and yeah you know

13:20

you know talking about the future is ours.

13:22

Now you know like everything we're doing is

13:24

ours and with holding it together like with

13:26

we don't talk about it as my company,

13:28

we talk about it as our company and

13:30

it's like. That. You know

13:32

that's was exciting for me for the future is

13:34

that. You. Know I've been doing

13:36

this for seventeen years of my

13:38

life. Does. Person came

13:40

along who. Honestly,

13:42

It feels like the most giant

13:44

lottery win anyone could ever have.

13:47

because it's like. I

13:49

won the Love Life lottery at the

13:51

same time as winning like the you

13:53

know. Partner. matsuri professionally at

13:55

the same time as having someone

13:57

who really gets me who gets

13:59

it and what we're doing who

14:01

also is just our

14:04

audience absolutely adores and every

14:06

time she's on camera, every

14:08

time she's on a podcast, people

14:11

don't you know how easy it would be for everyone to

14:13

hate her? Right. I

14:15

mean, I could never. But

14:18

you know, everyone's just like, Oh my God, please put her

14:20

on more, which is, you know, it's

14:22

like it is like winning three different lotteries

14:24

all at the same time. And it means

14:26

for us for the future, it's it

14:29

just feels really simple. It feels like we've got,

14:32

you know, you know, this Jenna in a in

14:34

an organization like the ones that we've grown. There's

14:37

so much natural variety that it offers because

14:39

you can take it in any direction you

14:41

want. If you want to make a

14:44

podcast, you can make a podcast, YouTube channel, books, programs,

14:47

you know, travel, whatever you want to do,

14:49

you can make it that thing. And

14:52

for us, the kind

14:54

of flexibility for our future that allows is

14:57

amazing because we can see it

14:59

can be whatever we want it to be. So we don't need to

15:01

know what either of us want to do in five or 10 years.

15:04

This container will allow us to do anything we

15:06

want to do. But what

15:08

we know is we'll be doing it together, which

15:11

is incredible. And you know something else,

15:13

Jenna, a friend of ours, I don't know

15:15

if you know Mo Gouda, but he's a

15:17

writer and author. He's amazing. He's so lovely.

15:19

He said to us, I

15:21

asked him what is the in your opinion, what advice would

15:23

you give someone who's about to get married? I said to

15:25

him, what do you think is your recipe and your advice

15:28

for a long lasting marriage? And he

15:30

said, having a shared

15:32

mission. He said, it

15:34

keeps you on the same track if you have

15:36

a shared mission. So especially

15:39

I think with this kind

15:41

of industry where it's so life consuming, if

15:43

it's any business, if you're a business owner,

15:46

it is like, it's your whole life. You

15:48

don't get to check in and out of

15:50

it. You just you embody it every single

15:52

day. And so I think

15:54

having the ability to share that with your partner,

15:56

if you can, and having that shared mission. strengthens

16:00

the relationship if you can, you know,

16:03

handle working together, which I think is very much

16:05

down to like personalities and matches and stuff. I

16:07

think that if you can do that, it was

16:10

really a beautiful thing. And it actually kind of

16:12

enhances everything. It really does. And I listen, I

16:14

don't want to take a dark turn here, but I

16:17

think it's really

16:22

important to say that,

16:25

you know, working with

16:27

family can, it

16:31

can go to either extreme. And

16:34

there are some of the most

16:36

horrific situations I've ever heard of

16:38

are with people working

16:41

with family. So I

16:43

think it's important to add balance to

16:45

it. Like every relationship has its own

16:47

DNA. And you

16:49

can talk to, you know, I

16:51

have friends who will never ever go into

16:53

partnership with someone, not because they were in

16:56

partnership with family, but because they had partners

16:58

before. And it

17:01

was traumatizing for them. And now

17:04

they're like, I will never have a partner

17:06

again. And that's no

17:08

different to someone saying, I'll never have a

17:10

relationship again, because I've had a terrible relationship

17:12

in the past. Yeah, there are some some

17:14

people swear they can't imagine doing business without

17:17

the partner that they've partnered with for the

17:19

last 20 years. And who is also one

17:21

of their best friends and they have their

17:23

ups and downs. But my God, they can't

17:25

imagine doing it apart. So I

17:28

would never prescribe our

17:31

situation to somebody else. It

17:33

works because of the DNA of our relationship

17:36

and how we get on together and how

17:38

we resolve issues together and how talented Audrey

17:40

is and how skilled she is in the role,

17:42

which means I'm never ever questioning what she's bringing

17:44

to the table in her role. It's never like

17:47

I'm going, I'm not sure

17:49

about this anymore. It's not she's

17:51

not bringing value. Like she's extraordinary.

17:53

So there's a lot of things

17:55

has a lot of boxes to

17:57

pick that if any of

18:00

them were not picked, it

18:02

could end up being a very, very poisonous situation

18:05

for both of us. And so I just want

18:07

to acknowledge that because I think it's, this

18:09

is not a prescription. It could be

18:11

a very, very dangerous thing to work

18:14

with partners or family. I love this

18:16

because so Drew and I,

18:18

people are always so surprised, but over

18:21

the years, I love what you're talking about,

18:23

Audrey, about casting vision and just that power

18:25

because I feel like Austin, when I get

18:27

a new idea or like a new project,

18:29

like I have to paint the picture of

18:32

like why this is worth it, right? Because

18:34

a lot of times your partner, it's like,

18:36

it's going to shift things for everybody.

18:39

And there's a part in my book where

18:41

I was talking about like vision casting. And

18:43

I think that there's something so beautiful, even

18:45

if your spouse isn't a partner in your

18:47

business or working with you to be

18:50

a good vision caster. Because if you are

18:52

not bought into the vision and you don't

18:54

have someone to remind you of how powerful

18:56

that vision is, there are going to be

18:58

so many times where you want to give

19:00

up on it. And so I

19:02

have always been focused on like, here

19:05

is the why and like remind me of

19:07

this when I say I want to quit,

19:09

right? Like remind me of this when like

19:11

paint the picture for me, make it the

19:13

most beautiful scene so that I stay committed

19:15

to this thing. And it's

19:17

so funny because Drew and I, we

19:19

do not talk about work at all.

19:22

Like he literally doesn't know beyond me

19:24

telling him that I got to talk

19:26

to you guys today. He doesn't

19:28

know what I'm doing. He doesn't know like

19:30

it is such a need to know basis

19:32

because I've learned over the years that one,

19:34

he doesn't care. But to like

19:36

one day I was trying to explain like

19:38

conversion percentages. And I was like literally watching

19:40

the thought bubbles above his head. And I

19:42

was like, you know, I'm gonna save this

19:44

for like a text to Amy Porterfield, like

19:46

she's gonna celebrate with me on this one,

19:48

like we can talk about other things. And so

19:51

I love that you talk about the DNA of

19:53

your relationship too, because I think that the best

19:55

thing and this is what you guys are so

19:58

good at is helping people have

20:00

their own level of personal awareness

20:03

around not only what you say you

20:05

want but what you bring to the

20:07

table and so let's talk about your

20:10

book Matthew Love Life and

20:12

I know that your name is on the cover

20:14

and I know that you are behind this but

20:16

I know also Audrey had to buy into this

20:19

vision this is a ton of work and it's

20:21

a beautiful project. Walk me through some of that

20:23

with you guys and the work that

20:25

you're doing great now. Yeah

20:28

well it's been Audrey's

20:30

been even more than a

20:33

support as so many of the kind of concepts

20:36

in the book have been made better

20:38

by Audrey's input and there's very specific

20:40

ideas in there that came from Audrey

20:43

as well so it's been you

20:45

know as much as I've been writing this

20:47

book for in some form probably for four

20:49

or five years of my life you

20:52

know two of those years have had

20:55

Audrey weighing in and breathing

20:57

life into these ideas so

20:59

it truly has been a one plus

21:01

one equals three situation on the content

21:03

of this book and there's a

21:06

lot of Audrey in there but I think

21:08

that the books been like it's been a

21:10

real challenge I mean we you

21:12

know if anyone who has a company

21:14

knows that when you

21:17

take on a book you take on a

21:19

whole other job that has nothing to do

21:21

with the running of your organization not

21:24

to mention the content you already create and

21:26

put out there in the world and

21:29

you're just expected to kind of

21:31

essentially moonlight as a writer which

21:33

is an extraordinarily arrogant thing for

21:36

anyone to even kind

21:38

of do because it's writing

21:40

is hard when it's someone's only

21:42

job and to actually properly sit

21:44

down and sit in front of a laptop

21:46

and write which is what I did

21:49

for this you know is up at

21:51

4am most nights he would get most mornings

21:53

I should say together 4am and work between

21:55

4 and 8 because

21:57

those were your undisturbed hours before

21:59

before the company was kind of alive and

22:02

running and he was needed in meetings and videos

22:04

and all sorts of things. So yeah, you

22:06

had like, you were leading like a double

22:09

life and on the weekends, every weekend it

22:11

was like multiple hours writing. Yeah.

22:13

And so that was, that was rough. And

22:15

I, I wouldn't want to do that again.

22:18

You know, I just, it really, I did

22:20

it this time because I felt like I had

22:23

a, I had an important book in me and

22:25

I really wanted to get it out. And

22:29

you know, we weren't, I'm not a place in

22:31

my career where it was appropriate for

22:33

me to just take a year off

22:36

and write, but it's

22:38

not something that I

22:40

would ever want for anybody really, because

22:42

it put a strain on our relationship

22:44

during the writing period where we had

22:47

suffered and we fought at times and we,

22:50

you know, it was like, it

22:52

was a painful process in many ways. I

22:54

was overwhelmed, you know, made

22:56

myself ill at times. Like it just was

22:58

not, I can't, I don't

23:00

want anyone to hear me getting up

23:02

at 4am as an inspirational thing. It's

23:05

not, it's not an inspirational thing. It

23:07

was a, it was a

23:09

sick thing. And there's a lot

23:11

of like conscious sacrifice that happens and a

23:13

bit of a like, we're going to

23:15

put a pin in this for the next

23:17

two months because there is no time for

23:19

this, whether that's quality time, whether that's, you

23:22

know, weekend, whatever it might be, we're just going to put

23:24

a pin in it. So now we're going to make peace

23:26

with the fact that that's just going to

23:28

be life for a short period of time

23:31

and communicate that and be like, okay, like

23:34

keep having to talk about it. Keep having

23:36

to just like reiterate this is just a phase. It's

23:38

just temporary, blah, blah, blah. But there

23:40

has been a lot, there was a lot of, and

23:43

there actually is a lot of that even right now.

23:45

Like we're not even, it's not even a thing of

23:47

the past. Like we're obviously in the middle of a

23:49

book promotion and it's very much like so much of

23:52

the time does get consumed by trying

23:54

to make this book a success. And

23:57

so you end up just compromising.

24:00

on lots of other things temporarily. And as long

24:02

as I think you are both aligned

24:04

on that, and as you say, Jenna, the vision

24:06

behind why it's important and staying

24:08

connected. And you know, for me, like

24:10

I, I've read the book

24:12

twice, and I love it,

24:14

like, objectively, I think it's a beautiful, incredible

24:16

book that will just help so many people.

24:20

And I have seen how hard Matt worked

24:22

on it. And I just go, Oh, well,

24:25

that's, and I know how much he wants it to be

24:27

a success. So I go, okay, like, as

24:29

his partner who loves him, that

24:32

is enough for me to stay connected

24:34

and grit it out for another six

24:36

weeks. Yeah. And I do

24:38

need to return to that continuously. Otherwise I

24:40

get resentful. And my part of

24:43

that bargain is that

24:46

I need to see

24:48

and acknowledge the toll this

24:51

has really taken. And

24:53

the consequences is not free. Yeah,

24:55

like, yeah, it's not free.

24:57

It, you know, we haven't spent

24:59

much time, you know, quality time

25:01

together at all, we are fighting for

25:04

scripts, let alone

25:06

time we're trying to find for family and,

25:08

you know, friendships and health and

25:11

going to the gym and like

25:13

it's, there's been none of that.

25:16

My side of that bargain is like,

25:18

it has to get better. And I

25:20

have to take seriously that it gets

25:22

better. It can't just be a kind

25:24

of, you know, in narcissistic relationships, they

25:26

talk about future faking where, you

25:29

know, narcissists will tell you that one day they're

25:31

going to want kids or one day they're going

25:33

to want to be married to you and it's

25:35

all going to get better. And, and, and

25:38

of course that day never comes. Well, I

25:40

think there's a lot of future faking with

25:42

entrepreneurs. There's

25:44

a lot of like, yeah, don't worry. It's going

25:46

to get better. It's going to get better. We're

25:49

going to, we're going to move into a calmer

25:51

season and we're going to just focus on stability

25:53

for a while and not taking on new projects.

25:55

And, and that's the kind

25:57

of future faking because that entrepreneur

25:59

is, addicted

26:01

to dopamine is on

26:04

a constant like rush of the next

26:06

thing. Their nervous system is wired for

26:09

chaos. People don't talk about this nearly

26:11

enough and stress and they don't know

26:13

how to operate in

26:15

peacetime, you know, the reward time

26:18

president. Yeah. So they don't know

26:20

how to operate. They don't know how to call

26:22

forward a peacetime leader and because of

26:24

that, it's all BS that

26:26

time isn't coming and I have to

26:28

take that really seriously that I

26:31

owe it to her for

26:33

us to have a more stable time

26:35

for a while because

26:37

otherwise it's all very well that

26:39

she's being supportive and saying, I understand how important

26:41

this is to you and that there's a beautiful

26:43

vision here and it's going to change a lot

26:46

of lives and but if

26:48

I'm not understanding her side of that

26:51

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26:53

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I am not giving out relationship advice here,

29:16

let me tell you. I'm not the

29:18

expert. In situations like

29:20

this, because I don't subscribe

29:22

to the idea of balance.

29:25

Even when you study the word balance,

29:27

it's meant to be a moment in

29:29

time, not a state that is maintained.

29:31

I just don't think that balance exists.

29:34

One thing that has been so huge for me

29:36

and I think so many other

29:39

people miss this piece is setting

29:41

a deadline of I will go and then

29:44

this is when it ends. When

29:48

my book came out, I said I will give it 30 days

29:50

after the book comes out that I will

29:52

say yes and after that

29:55

it's a no. What

29:57

was beautiful about that too is I Think

29:59

it's like a marathon, right? Like you know

30:01

how many miles you're about to run and

30:03

so like somehow you can stay committed to

30:05

that. But when that marathon becomes. This

30:08

never ending saying. It's like you'd never know how

30:10

to you and step off of it and sell.

30:12

For. Anyone as listening in my opinion,

30:15

especially if you're selling a vision to

30:17

someone else. Because I agree with you

30:19

guys I think that one is a

30:21

biggest things. That entrepreneurs do wrong.

30:24

Is that they sell this idea of

30:26

freedom to their partner, to their family,

30:28

to their friends. Like I'm starting a

30:30

business to take control of my life

30:32

and my time in my money. And

30:34

so often we build these things that

30:37

literally give us the opposite of freedom

30:39

right? Adr you said like ten Pm.

30:41

Thoughts like that. The. Toll of

30:43

an entrepreneur and so I love even

30:45

the I just came out of a

30:47

launch and I told you okay for

30:50

one week. My brain is gonna

30:52

be thinking about business, you'll be talking to

30:54

me and I will not be processing and

30:56

for that week I just need your understanding.

30:58

But I was literally getting off of a

31:00

web in r and going to swimming lessons

31:02

with my kids. And like my kids. Force.

31:05

Me to step off of that because it's

31:07

like I'm ending eleven are and quickly getting

31:09

autism Syrian going to the Y M C

31:11

A and so. I just think.

31:13

In. This situation like this giving that

31:16

deadline of like i will push this

31:18

book until this day and then imminent

31:20

just. Say of all requests and things

31:22

and they'll be there when I get back. And

31:24

they are if they're meant for me though way

31:26

I think that's really powerful on a to cpc

31:28

your honesty because I think. You. Know

31:30

you guys just got married and like

31:33

this whole first year of marriage has

31:35

really been centered around this massive undertaking

31:37

that you both have taken on the

31:39

such grace. And so it's huge. Yeah,

31:42

he argues that's exactly right. Thanks for

31:44

knowledge in because it's a. It's.

31:47

Easy for us. Even said no acknowledge that.

31:49

So it's like someone's to say that. I

31:52

think it's really important as well. For.

31:54

Entrepreneurs to hear this.

31:57

There. is something highly

32:00

selfish about being an entrepreneur.

32:04

And we very

32:06

often have these things that we

32:08

say about why we're doing

32:10

it. And there's lots of grandiose statements and

32:12

I'm doing this for my family and I'm

32:14

doing this for this and I'm doing this

32:17

for that. And that

32:20

rhetoric may be partly true, but

32:23

it's also a rhetoric that often doesn't end

32:26

even when it's long past the point of

32:28

ever needing to do it for your family.

32:31

You know, I watched Kevin Hart

32:33

in a documentary talking

32:35

about, some of the interviewer asked him

32:38

about being on the road. And,

32:40

you know, how does your family feel about you constantly

32:42

being on the road? And he was like, they

32:45

want me home, but if I'm not on the

32:47

road, there ain't going to be a home. And

32:51

I was like, heaven. Yeah.

32:55

Yeah. How much money have you made?

32:57

Yeah. Like if

32:59

it's true that you

33:01

touring is what means you

33:03

have a house, then you

33:06

need a smaller house at

33:08

this point, because something

33:10

is off. If you have hundreds of

33:12

millions of dollars and

33:14

you're still doing it for your family,

33:18

something's off. And, and

33:21

I think it's easy as an

33:23

entrepreneur to dress up what

33:25

are very self-centered ambitions as

33:28

I'm doing it for everyone else, because

33:31

it's a really great place to hide, but

33:35

it doesn't mean that you're entirely doing

33:37

it for everyone else. It might be part

33:39

of it, but it might be

33:41

about something else. And there are other reason I

33:43

want to say this is because there's

33:46

a lot of rhetoric out there online about,

33:49

you know, and you're more in this world than I

33:51

am, Jenna, but maybe it's more in the male side

33:53

of things. I don't know, but there's a lot of

33:55

like, my partner doesn't understand. Like

33:57

I'm hustling. I'm doing this. During

34:00

that like you need a partner that

34:02

supports you and that's true. But.

34:05

It's. Also, your dream?

34:07

Yes, it's not. Their.

34:10

Dream so. The.

34:12

Idea that your partner. Just has

34:14

to hop on board. whatever. Chaotic.

34:17

Stressful. Work all day

34:19

Saying that you've decided to commit

34:21

your blood, sweat and tears to.

34:25

It doesn't mean that your partner. Is

34:27

suddenly supposed to go okay?

34:29

like. It's not their dream.

34:31

And if they suddenly had a dream that took

34:33

them out of action twenty four hours a day

34:36

and they were never around and even on weekends

34:38

they were stressed and they weren't themselves and still

34:40

constantly of to like that was his other thing

34:42

That was more important, you might struggle. With that

34:45

too, especially if you didn't feel like it was anything

34:47

you are. Interested in and it wasn't your dream?

34:49

Yeah, so we have to be really careful.

34:51

Like to. Speak. The other

34:53

side of it and why really loved about

34:55

what you said is that. When.

34:58

You were talking earlier, you said. You

35:00

know, talking about the vision to

35:02

your partner and. I. Come

35:04

from a world. Where. People didn't.

35:07

Talk. About the vision to their

35:09

partner. I. Grew up in a

35:11

world where people dictated division to their paul

35:13

and then if their partner even got to

35:16

hear it, You. Know it

35:18

wasn't about like let's discuss

35:20

our future plans together. It.

35:23

Was this is happening? And

35:25

we're again. I love that!

35:28

You're. Talking about expressing like what the

35:30

business and getting by and from your

35:32

partner because. There's. A lot of

35:34

relationships were. Any. Idea

35:37

of discussing division is really

35:39

just about. Is just lip

35:41

service? They're not really asking their partners

35:43

opinion or whether their partner is okay

35:46

with it. It's happening. I

35:48

just hope you're on board. Yeah, essentially

35:50

the message. Yes, One

35:52

thing I'm curious about is so soothe

35:55

your buck and knowing the amazing content

35:57

inside. Of it. I can't wait for everyone to get it!

36:00

One thing I have noticed and I've talked to

36:02

so many authors and you guys kind of already hinted

36:04

on this a little bit, but where

36:06

there's so many times when you're writing this content

36:09

and then God or the universe is

36:11

like checking you like, you sure about this? You

36:13

sure? Like I feel like when

36:15

you are writing, you are like thrown into the

36:17

fire of affirming. This is

36:19

true. And especially a book about love

36:23

and working through all of this together.

36:25

Like were you tested in

36:27

this process of the content and

36:29

ensuring that like, yeah, this is

36:32

it. Now,

36:34

do you mean from the point of view of

36:37

is it true and accurate

36:39

or from the point of view of should

36:42

I really say this? Am I walking the

36:44

walk of what's in these pages

36:46

right now? Because life is throwing

36:48

the examples at me where I

36:50

am being tested. Well,

36:53

so to give people a kind of a lens

36:56

for this book, the book

36:58

is called Love Life, how

37:01

to raise your standards, find your person

37:03

and live happily no matter what. And

37:06

it was designed to be a book

37:09

for anyone who

37:11

wanted to find love, who

37:15

wanted to understand maybe

37:18

why it had been not working out

37:20

so far, what was

37:23

proving to be difficult about it for them and

37:25

why. But also to

37:27

understand that it is

37:29

hard out there objectively, regardless of

37:31

whether you have any deeper issues

37:33

that you're bringing to the table

37:35

that you need to resolve in

37:37

order to help you find love

37:39

faster. It also is just difficult

37:42

to find love. And of course

37:44

so much of our pain comes from what

37:47

happens to us when

37:49

we go searching for love, whether

37:51

it's the pain of dating, whether it's the pain

37:54

of early, someone breaking our heart

37:56

that we wanted more with and they didn't want more

37:58

with us, whether it's the Pain

38:00

of a heartbreak of a relationship that just

38:02

ended after five years or a divorce after

38:04

twenty years. It's so much or a in

38:06

a lot about Painted comes from being in

38:08

a relationship this not right and I the

38:10

dow in ourselves or trying to hold on

38:12

to someone or feel safe with someone that.

38:15

We can't feel safe with because they never make

38:17

us feel safe. And then as

38:19

the pain of just being on our own

38:22

and the pain of loneliness and the chronic

38:24

pain of wanting to sign mouth. When.

38:26

Love seems nowhere to be found. I

38:29

wrote this book not just as a

38:31

way for people to find loves fast.

38:33

I. Bought for people

38:35

to be able to handle

38:38

and. Cope. With. And

38:40

even find happiness in and

38:42

amongst. Some. Of the most. Challenging.

38:46

Emotional circumstances we find ourselves

38:48

in. Whether it's heartbreak, Whether.

38:51

It's just being lonely because I just really

38:53

wants someone and I haven't found someone. Or.

38:56

Whether it's. Ceiling. Never satisfied

38:58

in our love life. How

39:00

do we manage the emotions that we feel.

39:03

When we're. Looking. For Love

39:05

Or dealing with matters of love. The

39:08

reason I say that an answer to your question

39:10

is because. I. Did.

39:12

Not. Write. This book

39:14

as a happily married person. Who.

39:17

Was looking back and going. Let

39:20

me talk about. Finding.

39:22

Love. I. Wrote this.

39:24

Through. Every

39:27

stage imaginable. From.

39:31

You. Know their it Early chapters in this

39:33

book that were written. From.

39:36

A place of the

39:38

most terrible heartbreak. Where.

39:40

My own heart was broken and.

39:43

There. Were days when I couldn't. You

39:45

know, there was a period where I couldn't even get myself

39:47

to, right? Because. I

39:49

was just so unhappy and so

39:52

hurting. I

39:54

wrote this book as a single person who didn't

39:56

know if I'd ever find loves. who

40:00

wanted to find love but you

40:02

know had those same moments that anyone else does

40:04

where I questioned is this ever gonna happen for

40:06

me? I you know, I like

40:09

so many people am I the chasing someone

40:11

who doesn't want me or I'm

40:15

With someone that adores me and I'm

40:17

doubting whether they're the right person you

40:20

know, I can't seem to find

40:24

peace and happiness anywhere here and

40:26

and Then I wrote

40:29

this book dating Audrey. Yes, I wrote

40:32

this book Marrying Audrey

40:35

and I did the final edit on

40:37

our honeymoon Which by the

40:39

way was you'll be happy to hear Jenna

40:41

was a month-long honeymoon Let's

40:44

clarify. I got the behind-the-scenes pictures from

40:46

that extravaganza. So proof Yeah, we didn't

40:48

go yet. We didn't go on a

40:50

like 10-day honeymoon and I was writing

40:52

during this honeymoon We were away for

40:55

a month in Japan But

40:57

I had to take a couple of days

40:59

in that month to just finalize a couple

41:01

of things on the edit but it's mind-blowing

41:04

to me that I Was

41:06

writing in all those different stages? And

41:08

so it's so when you

41:10

say is it does it feel like true

41:13

and an integrity or did I feel in?

41:15

Integrity when I was writing it. The

41:17

answer is yes because I was truly Living

41:21

every phase that I was writing about

41:23

I wasn't writing, you know We were

41:25

talking before we got we went live

41:28

about how we have a

41:30

bad memory for pain Yeah, you know, I

41:32

I wasn't writing trying to remember how bad

41:34

I felt in different times in my life

41:36

I was writing from those places and having

41:40

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41:43

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41:46

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41:49

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41:52

while my love life was you

41:55

know in a terrible place

41:57

and So it's

41:59

all very very very real to me and a

42:01

lot of this book will surprise people because it

42:04

will absolutely if you want to find love faster,

42:06

it's going to help you do that. But it

42:09

will also I think people are going to

42:11

be pretty stunned by how much

42:14

it addresses just how they

42:16

can manage their most painful moments

42:19

because that's what I was also dealing with at the time

42:21

and I think that's what we need when we're in a

42:24

when we're questioning whether it's ever going to happen for us.

42:27

When we're questioning, am I ever going to get

42:29

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42:31

need something we can pick up and

42:34

connect with to feel better because in

42:36

those moments, it's not just that we don't have

42:39

the love of our life, it's that we fall

42:41

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42:44

with ourselves. We stop liking ourselves because when

42:46

someone dumps us, we question our worth and

42:48

we think there's something wrong with us. When

42:51

we can't find love and everyone else seems to

42:53

be getting married, we think God,

42:55

I'm broken and I hate life because just

42:57

this was part of my dream for my

42:59

life and it's not happening. This book is

43:04

about how you manage those relationships as well,

43:06

not just your relationships with other people and

43:08

getting into one but how do you manage your

43:10

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43:12

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43:15

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43:17

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43:19

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45:00

One thing that I think is so

45:02

powerful that I just wanna acknowledge in

45:05

this and the book. I

45:08

feel like nowadays people are not

45:11

great at documenting the starts and

45:13

the hard. And like

45:15

you said, they go back and try to remember it.

45:18

And I just want to encourage

45:20

everyone listening, no matter where you're

45:22

at in your life or your business to document as

45:25

much as you possibly can and to write

45:27

down these feelings and to tether yourself to

45:29

them on so many days

45:31

and not have to hunt because I think

45:34

we live in this world that wants to

45:36

show up when they have it all figured

45:38

out or when it's perfect or like, you

45:40

know, presenting the after version of whatever it

45:42

is that they're after. And

45:45

I just love that you

45:47

are committed to

45:49

documenting all of that and

45:51

you couldn't have recreated it because you couldn't

45:53

necessarily go back there. So I just I

45:56

love that and I think it's a beautiful reminder. No matter if

45:58

you never want to write a book. How can

46:00

that your life? And all I can think about

46:02

you two is that if you choose to have

46:04

children someday, that your kids

46:06

get to read this part of your

46:08

journey and your story. Audrey, what is

46:11

something that people get wrong about Matthew?

46:13

Obviously, you know him better than anyone

46:15

else. What is something that people would

46:18

maybe get wrong or be surprised by

46:20

about Matthew? Oh God, hang

46:22

on, let me think about this. You

46:25

know what? People always say to me, oh,

46:29

it must be amazing to

46:31

date a relationship expert. You're

46:34

so lucky to date

46:37

a relationship expert. Is it really intimidating?

46:40

Cause he just knows everything. And

46:44

look. This is where you went with this.

46:46

I love this. Well, because it's

46:49

literally the thing I get the most. I love that

46:51

you started with, people think

46:53

you would be amazing. Let me

46:55

explain, let me explain. What's

46:58

funny about that is that, and you actually

47:00

alluded to this in the book in the

47:02

first chapter. The

47:05

reason Matt always talked about

47:07

these subjects is because he was very much

47:09

figuring things out himself. And he admits the

47:11

first line of the book is, I

47:14

used to be a horrible person to date.

47:16

And the truth is, when we

47:18

got together, I would

47:20

say it's probably fair to say that I had more experience

47:23

in sustaining a long-term relationship and

47:25

how to be in a

47:29

committed, loving, kind of peaceful

47:31

relationship. And as

47:34

a result, I actually felt like, and you've

47:36

taught me so, so, so much. And by

47:39

this time we've been together four years. So there's been

47:42

a lot of kind of like, sometimes I

47:44

get it wrong, sometimes you get it wrong, but it

47:46

always makes me laugh because I actually feel like

47:48

you have learned so much through being in this

47:50

relationship. And so a lot of the times when

47:52

people say to me, like, he must have been

47:55

such an amazing person to say he must have

47:57

all the answers. I'm like, I

47:59

had more of the answers. than he did in

48:01

the beginning. I can't say that. Well,

48:03

do I just said it? Well, you

48:05

did. I think I love

48:07

like I love this too, because

48:09

again, like iron sharpens iron, right?

48:11

And I feel like the

48:13

deepest relationships are the one that can

48:16

expose the parts of you that require

48:18

the most healing. And

48:20

I just think that that is powerful. That's

48:22

what I learn as a parent every day

48:24

of like, the things that trigger me

48:26

with my children are the areas of my

48:29

life that need healing. And so I think

48:31

that in a relationship like that, I love

48:34

that Audrey, and I think too, Matthew, we

48:36

got to kind of laugh about it, like the

48:39

perception of a lot of us out there is

48:41

that we have it all figured out. And the

48:43

reason why we have figured out is because we

48:45

probably sucked at it at some point in our

48:47

lives. And we've done the work to try to

48:50

heal and learn. And so I love

48:52

that. Matthew, what do you think

48:55

will get wrong about working with

48:58

your spouse? You're

49:01

going to get me back. That's right. No, no. Wrong

49:06

about working with your spouse. I

49:10

suppose I just think maybe

49:12

in some ways that it's

49:14

really hard to look at

49:16

someone else and just copy their model

49:18

because like I said, the

49:21

DNA of yours is so specific. And

49:25

it's almost like if you'd asked

49:28

me what do people get wrong about

49:31

business? You

49:33

can compare your business

49:35

to someone else's and look at someone else's

49:37

and think, well, I want to do

49:40

that and that and that and that. You could get

49:42

like competitive with other people in their

49:46

business or you can try

49:48

and mimic what someone else is doing in their

49:50

business. But every

49:53

business' DNA is different.

49:56

And it's why, you know, Jenna,

49:58

you, me, Audrey, we've People

50:00

sat in a room together with

50:02

amazing entrepreneurs before and gone

50:04

around the table and no

50:06

two, despite the fact that what

50:09

you have in that room, there were 20, 30 of us in

50:12

that room, what we had

50:14

in common was you had all very smart,

50:18

very switched on, very hard working

50:21

people, but all

50:23

with completely different DNA and

50:27

different superpowers. And

50:29

so the reason no

50:32

two of those organizations looks the same,

50:34

even though a lot of them actually

50:36

operate in very similar spaces, is

50:38

because the superpowers and the DNA of

50:41

each of those operators is very different.

50:44

And that makes it, you

50:46

can spend too long, I think, looking

50:49

at other organizations and

50:51

saying what can we get from the

50:54

way they're doing things and not leaning

50:57

into the DNA of what

50:59

your company can do, specifically because

51:01

you have the kinds of skills

51:03

and awareness and superpowers and

51:05

IQ or EQ that you have.

51:08

And I think working together is

51:11

a similar thing that it

51:13

can work because it's the two of you and

51:17

the way you operate together. And

51:20

the reason it works for you might

51:22

be completely different to the

51:24

reason it works for them over there.

51:27

What I think is really

51:29

important is like massive self-awareness

51:32

and massive honesty and

51:35

being honest with yourself

51:37

about whether there are genuine red

51:39

flags going in. It's like dating.

51:41

It's like you, I

51:44

almost want to say to people, you

51:47

know, like I wouldn't say to two people that

51:49

were really in love on month three, go buy

51:51

a house together. Like

51:54

it would be a very, very high stakes

51:56

move to make with someone that you have

51:58

very intense feelings for now. Well,

52:01

you may feel like working

52:03

with your partner is the most exciting

52:05

thing in the world and you love

52:07

them so much and so let's

52:10

start a business together and both sink a bunch

52:12

of money into this thing. But

52:14

that's a really high stakes thing to do and I

52:18

feel like the same way it's like, you want

52:20

to buy a house together? Well, go share a

52:22

bed for a year on a lease and

52:25

then see how you feel. I

52:27

kind of feel like there should be some kind of like, you

52:29

know, six months or a year of

52:31

working together in low risk way where

52:34

it's easy to reverse out

52:37

of if you find that actually it doesn't work

52:39

nearly as well as you thought it would. So

52:42

maybe to circle back, like maybe the misconception

52:44

is that if it feels

52:46

really, really exciting on day one, that

52:50

you should suddenly go all in on working

52:52

with your partner. I feel like

52:55

you should find low stakes ways to run

52:57

that experiment before you both change your lives

52:59

in ways that are hard to reverse. I

53:02

love that. You know, the other thing is our journey

53:04

to piggyback on that because I think there's like a

53:06

perception of us working together. People initially

53:08

go, oh, it must be really, really hard.

53:11

And we're like, no, we really love it. And

53:13

then people go, oh my God, it must be perfect. Yes.

53:16

Yes. And actually, no, it's not

53:18

perfect. And the thing that I find,

53:20

which is kind of a hidden behind the scenes thing

53:22

that, you know, never gets talked about, not for any

53:25

reason other than it just doesn't come up is, you

53:28

know, you as individuals, you're growing

53:30

in your own way as you are

53:32

working together. And so for me, for

53:34

instance, like I had to

53:36

learn to, you know, step into a position

53:38

of leadership and manage 10 different people or

53:40

whatever it was, or like, not directly, but,

53:42

you know, like having all these responsibilities, you

53:45

know, broadcasting all these things that I had

53:47

never done before. And so

53:49

I was almost like, and I

53:51

still am, like calibrating that. And then

53:53

that causes friction because I start being

53:55

very like domineering in meetings

53:58

because I'm like, no, I know this is. And

54:00

you know, it's not that I'm wrong, it's that

54:02

my delivery might be wrong. And

54:04

then it hurts someone else, it hurts Matt's

54:06

feelings because I'm not speaking to him nicely, but

54:08

it's because I'm trying to be more

54:10

confident. I'm trying to assert

54:12

myself. And so I think it's also the

54:14

ways in which you're kind of individually growing.

54:17

I can't speak for you, but for me,

54:19

I know that like, my growth

54:21

and my path has naturally

54:24

led to conflict, but also just being able

54:26

to talk about them and move forward with

54:28

them and then just supporting

54:30

each other and understanding where it comes

54:32

from, it always kind of irons out and ends

54:35

up being really good. But I think that's something that

54:37

doesn't get talked about. And that's always going to happen

54:39

even if you have the most synergistic,

54:41

peaceful, working relationship with your partner.

54:44

Oh my gosh, we could talk about

54:46

this all day. And I wish we could.

54:48

But here's where I want to send people.

54:50

I want to send people to get your

54:52

book, check out your YouTube,

54:54

tune in in all the places, where can

54:57

everybody find you and connect with you both? So

55:00

the book is the thing

55:02

that I would get everyone to go and grab

55:05

a copy of because you can find me on

55:07

all the normal platforms everywhere you look. But

55:09

I'm a big believer in, you know,

55:12

when someone has put hundreds and hundreds of

55:14

hours into one thing and

55:16

you can get that thing for $30, I

55:18

think it's like the greatest value thing you'll

55:20

ever get from a person. So

55:23

for anyone who wants not

55:25

only my latest work and in many

55:27

ways my most vulnerable and

55:29

honest work, but

55:31

the most powerful, the book is where I would

55:34

tell people to go. The website

55:37

is lovelifebook.com. And

55:40

when you get a copy of the book there, which

55:42

you can do from any retailer you want, there's

55:46

also a place where if you put your

55:48

receipt in, you can get a ticket to

55:50

an event I'm doing on the 4th of

55:52

May, which you can't buy your

55:54

way onto. The only people that are

55:56

coming to this event are people that have a book. The

55:59

event itself is the book. is called find your person

56:01

and it's designed to take everything people

56:03

have learned from the book about themselves,

56:07

about love, about their own

56:09

confidence and then to apply it

56:11

in a very practical way to

56:13

finding their person this year in

56:15

2024. So if you go

56:17

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56:19

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56:22

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56:24

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56:26

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56:28

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so anyone can come to that.

56:34

Amazing, thank you guys so much for

56:36

coming on the show. I absolutely adore you

56:38

guys. I can't wait to celebrate all of

56:40

this with you and thanks for coming on

56:43

Gold Digger with me. We

56:45

love you Jenna, thank you so much. This is

56:47

so much fun. Can

56:50

I just say what a

56:52

gift vulnerability is? Today's conversation was

56:55

deep and powerful and I'm so

56:57

grateful to my friends for showing

56:59

up and not just sugarcoating at

57:01

all. I think it can

57:04

be a beautiful pursuit to be in

57:06

partnership both in life and in business

57:08

with your spouse but I also think

57:10

it could be extremely challenging. I

57:12

love too that Matthew was very clear

57:14

on saying this isn't a prescription. You've

57:16

got to be honest about your own

57:18

DNA, the company's DNA and what that

57:20

vision really is. I loved

57:23

hearing Audrey's perspective. I wanted to

57:25

have a conversation with her too

57:27

because I know that behind any

57:30

successful creator or business or entrepreneur,

57:32

there are other people and Audrey

57:35

is such a beautiful driving force

57:37

of their mission and their message.

57:40

I sincerely hope you go out and grab

57:42

a copy of Matthew's book Love Life. I

57:44

agree with him wholeheartedly. When someone puts hundreds

57:46

of hours into something so permanent as a

57:48

book and you can get your hands on

57:51

it for under $30, it's

57:53

powerful. I can tell you that many, many,

57:55

many authors best work lives inside of their

57:57

books and I know that this is the

57:59

case. for Matthew. Thank

58:01

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58:03

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