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It's show time in the Six Nations

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once again. Old rivalries but

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new faces and tonight the Good the Band, the

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Rugby in partnership with our good friends at Continental

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Tires is live in the West End. Where else?

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As we try to answer a number

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of the questions that stand before us

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as Rugby's greatest championship returns to its

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start line once again. Come

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on in, we've got quite a night in store. To

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the final moments Alex Payne trying to

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keep this side going forward. Haskell takes

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it on now with just relentless chat

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largely about himself and there's Tindall to

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add the finishing touch of glamour and

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World Cup winning stories and a slightly

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sideways nose. That is how you podcast

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a dominant display by the Good, the

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Band and the Rugby. Would

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you welcome to the

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stage the whitest poshiest

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most loaded man in

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West London, it's Alex

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Payne. Good

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evening ladies and gentlemen and

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confirmation if you need it that James Haskell is

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and always will be a massive

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****. Good evening, good

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evening, good evening. How are you all?

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How good is this? Good evening everybody. You are

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very welcome. It is good to

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have you all with us tonight. This is really

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special for us. This is our first live Good,

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Bad Rugby in partnership with our very good friends

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at Continental Tires and they help us do what

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we do. So can we have another cheer for

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Continental Tires as well ladies and gentlemen? They are

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very good supporters of ours and they really help us get out

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and about and to come and

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enjoy nights like this and the

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Six Nations is almost upon us. Are we excited? Are

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we looking forward to it? More or

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less. Have any of you got pulses? It is very quiet

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in here this evening. I know it is Monday, I know it

1:55

is dry January but we are going to try and liven things

1:57

up a little bit and get stuck into... What

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I think is going to be one of the

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most interesting tournaments we've had in a number of

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years. So there are a lot of unanswered questions,

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there are a lot of queries, there are new

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faces, there are departing heroes who've set sail for

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Pastures News. So there is a lot up in

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the air ahead of the 2024 Guinness Six Nations.

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And we have got a stellar cast who are

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going to go through all the ins

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and outs and the runners and riders. And we're going

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to get them out a little bit later on. But

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before then, we're going to welcome out the two prats,

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because the good, the bad and the rugby is not

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always about the science of the game. Often it's about

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the people and the characters. And

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we've got two of those to welcome out. So

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would you please give a very warm welcome to

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the one and only Mr James Haskell and the

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Lord himself, Mr Mike Tindall. You're

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an idiot. Let

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go and sit down. Let go and sit

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down. Welcome to the Lord, welcome to the Hask. Hello.

2:53

That's good as it is, isn't it? That's good as it is. Lovely.

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You should be doing this on a weekly basis.

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Lots of diversions in the audience again. Looks

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like fucking... As

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on our panel tonight. All the

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parsons green are in so-ho again,

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aren't they? A lot of real

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diversity. Excellent. Nice

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to see you. You have another busy week in

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the side bar of shame. It is the Daily

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Mail. This week you are guilty of getting a

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parking ticket, which is, I think, the

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least of your pride. Boo wanker, actually. To

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be honest with you, I did it on purpose, because

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it's way cheaper than trying to pay for parking. If

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you're paying that photographer to follow you around, you might

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as well get something to have. No, but that's bad.

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That is not... I didn't know. I didn't see it. Normally,

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I'm quite good at seeing them, but I didn't know. I

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mean, imagine I've been actually up to no good. I was

3:38

just out with my daughter. Imagine, James. Could have been doing

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it. How can we get to that? Oi, don't film us,

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sir, eh? You're working for the Daily Mail. No,

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you're not using crayons. No, it's not you. Actually,

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if there is anyone from the newspapers here, I said this.

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We did a show in Bath, our final show. And

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I said, if you see anyone frantically writing or filming

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or doing anything, please report them, because we don't want

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to end up in the Daily Mail. And I got...

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headline story, throw my ex

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under the bus, said that you were a raw

4:04

cuckoo. So basically

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that Andrew Al. Yeah, it all fair.

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We don't give a shit about him, right? I'm

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moving up some ladders, all right? So don't... He

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can die, all right? I said he's

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like a raw cuckoo. Is that

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Andrew Al? Is that Harry Al? He's

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put the king in hospital. Honestly,

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he... There's nothing worse.

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And they all think, because he's northern, he's

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down to earth, he's friendly, he's fucking giving

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Louis a nuggy, he's there high-fiving the Prince

4:36

of Wales. If

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he handed me a drink, I'd fucking pour it on

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the bushes, it'd melt them, honestly. He's a bad man.

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He's got a sight. He's gone

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from Wakefield to Windsor, right? He's got his sights and

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some spirits. One day he'll be king

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and I'll be their foot soldier, number one. Hello, sir,

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ladies and gentlemen. Private Secretary, Mr Haskell,

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we'll bring the whole thing down. Hello,

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welcome to our Six Nations preview. I

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don't know why the fuck I bought that. The

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Six Nations is upon us. And

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to that, you say what, Michael? Is

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this where you shut up now? Yeah, yeah. No,

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I think it's going to be a

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fascinating tournament, I think after every World

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Cup. Obviously, there's a few people who

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leave, there's some new faces that come

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in, there's a whole new four-year cycle

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to start. Obviously, this year we're going

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to walk into a franchise which is

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probably the most stable team, but then

5:28

their captain, their talisman, the best player

5:30

in the world is absent

5:32

through the Six Nations because he's going to

5:34

rightly stay for his own game. For

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the astonishing decisions of Philippe Saint-Andre, the former

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captain and coach. Are you surprised? No, I

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don't think you can be surprised at anything

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now with players. You

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look at what the Southern Hemisphere boys have

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done in terms of flipping around codes, whether

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it be Rugby League, or Union, Sunnybiel

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having a spastic of boxing. I think you've

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got to let players still have a love

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for whatever they're doing. I

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do not blame anyone. who wants to play,

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you know, having a wife who went to

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a home Olympics and competed there with a

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silver medal, and the atmosphere

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that was there and the love for everyone who

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was in Team GB, I cannot say that I

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don't understand why he would want to go and

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play for the Sevens in his own, you know,

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in France with the love

6:19

of all the people coming off the back of a

6:21

disappointment of a World Cup. Maybe if he'd have won

6:23

a World Cup he wouldn't have chased it, but a

6:25

home World Cup, but he's obviously wants that

6:27

success. He's known as the best player in the world.

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He wants to show that he can play both

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sides. So I don't think anyone can argue

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Toulouse are probably happy because he plays more

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for Toulouse at the moment, which Ben Keizer,

6:38

who's coming out late, who was just saying

6:40

probably stole his best points. Oh well. Tough

6:43

shit, Ben. You should come here first. And I

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think that's what people want

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to do. They want to diversify. They

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want to try different things. You know,

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obviously we've got Lucere Sammek going over

6:56

to the NFL. People want to experience

6:58

different things and I mean,

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with rugby where it is at the moment,

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you can understand why people are dipping their

7:04

toes elsewhere because who knows where it'll be

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in five years. You never know. Hold

7:08

on tight in that regard. When

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you look back now, I mean, we've seen

7:13

what you did in your boots, etc. But

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what are the memories of you England, Six

7:17

Nations in particular? Look, I think the Six

7:19

Nations, for me, the Six Nations is the

7:21

premier tournament in the world. Just because of

7:24

the rivalry, the passion, what it encapsulates across

7:26

the board, those old rivalries, you know, I

7:30

said this many times on the podcast, but a lot

7:32

of the countries in the Six Nations have this really

7:34

kind of nice nationalistic kind

7:36

of identity. You know, the Welsh

7:38

or the Dragons, you got the France with the

7:41

Cocks. You

7:44

know what I'm saying. You know, the

7:46

Italians, they're kind of national anthem. You've got the Scottish

7:48

with the kilts, just the passion for hating everyone. You

7:51

know, and I think for me, at Ireland,

7:53

just you know, at the moment, they're incredible. Again,

7:56

always around St Patrick's Day, we always used to

7:58

play Ireland on St Patrick's Day. day,

8:00

you go to the stadium, you come out your hotel

8:02

and it'll be a lovely day and they'd come out and

8:04

they'd line you up and then they'd bring that small wizard

8:06

out. He puts a spell on it, he puts a

8:08

spell on it and then the rain starts pouring and

8:10

they beat us by 50 points and we all

8:12

go home. So that's kind of what

8:14

my memory of that is. But there was one particular game with the

8:17

Six Nations where it always sticks in my

8:19

mind. I had a bit of a

8:21

mixed bag of a crib. I remember one particular

8:23

time we were there in Ireland playing Grand Slam,

8:26

first Grand Slam decider, 2011. We'd

8:29

all got there and all the friends and family could come

8:31

out. They were often, when the rules were relaxed, depending on

8:33

which coach you had, you could have your partner stay and

8:36

I had my then partner stay with me.

8:38

And I was

8:40

going to bed, she went, oh you've got a bit of dry skin. I was like, oh I've

8:42

got to look my best for tomorrow because you

8:44

know, look good, play good. I'd shade myself like

8:46

Gavin Henson, so I look like a sea lion.

8:48

I was like smooth as a dolphin. There was

8:51

nothing on me. I was looking powerful and I

8:53

said, oh I've got a bit of moisturise. I

8:55

took some moisturise and I put it on out of a

8:58

bottle and I didn't really pay attention. I had myself

9:00

up, went to sleep, woke up, ready

9:02

to go through a walk through, went down to breakfast,

9:04

got my rehydration, went out to the bus and I

9:06

could see some of the lads looking at

9:08

me like, you know, and I was thinking, I don't know

9:11

what they're doing, I've got them back to the bus and

9:13

people started poking and pointing and members of the public were

9:15

waving. I couldn't understand. And then when I got

9:17

off and I went to the change room, I got a little bit

9:19

of a shock that I realised that she'd given me a tanning moisturiser

9:22

and that every minute that went past I was

9:24

getting more and more ochre.

9:27

If that had been 2024

9:32

I would have been cancelled now.

9:34

It was going horribly wrong. It

9:36

was progressing and so

9:39

on. I went for the warm up, went back out for the game.

9:41

By the time I came out, honestly, they

9:43

thought it was quality loss. They

9:47

were very confused. They saw a picture without

9:49

your shorts on. They saw it with a

9:51

shower and they went, absolutely not.

9:53

That was only about a bit in tan. I'm

9:57

exhausted already and we've barely started. We've

10:00

done 15 minutes and none of that's usable. So

10:02

should we welcome out? And... Yes again,

10:05

ladies and gents. Should

10:09

we therefore welcome out? We're gonna say the favorites. And

10:11

at this point, I just wanna clarify the fact that

10:14

this is actually according to the bookies. I mean, they

10:16

are our favorites as well. We've got a number of,

10:18

I say friends, but we've had to pay them all

10:20

to come tonight. Let's welcome out Shane Horgan from Ireland,

10:22

ladies and gents and Ben Cazer from France. Come

10:25

on, the ball. Come on. Come

10:29

on. Go

10:32

on, now. Go on, now. Go get a

10:34

cuddle as well. Well done. You're

10:37

gonna sit. You're gonna sit

10:39

just there. You've got a microphone.

10:43

I'm stressed coming into this environment already. I know

10:45

you've got it. Thank you all for some rope

10:47

intelligence. I've never been to

10:49

this, I've never been to this theater before.

10:51

It's good to know. It's really nice. I know it was

10:53

here. Obviously I know the bookstore next door. No,

10:56

this is here. Had

10:58

an old research in there earlier, I'm sure. You're

11:02

both very welcome. You

11:04

are both, according to the bookmakers, the

11:06

favorites for the Six Nations this

11:08

year. Is the World Cup final everyone outside of

11:10

sort of, you know, obviously

11:12

the neutrals would have wanted. It wasn't

11:14

the one we got. Are

11:17

you comfortable with favorites? Are you ready to go again? Is

11:19

this kicking on from the France that we could have and

11:21

should have had at the World Cup? Or is this a

11:23

little bit of, how do

11:25

we pick ourselves up and start again? Good

11:28

evening, everyone. Thank

11:30

you all. Straight back into it. Look,

11:33

it was hard. I'm not gonna lie. It was complicated

11:35

for the boys. I don't think they are over it at

11:38

all. It's

11:40

complicated to say what I'm gonna say after half

11:42

just talking, absolutely gibberish. But, you

11:45

know, the Peato Mowaka, the hooker for Toulouse said

11:47

that he came back after two days because if

11:49

he stayed at home, he would cry all day.

11:51

That's how desperate they were to get back into

11:53

rugby. And so you just got back at it

11:55

and playing some good games

11:57

with Toulouse and just finding a different way.

12:00

Antoine Jupon is taking on

12:02

a different challenge. Bois is just dealing with it in a

12:04

different way. I think it's going to take a long, long time

12:06

before I ever get over it. It's going

12:08

to take me a long time to ever get used to it. And

12:12

so getting back on the horse against, you know, what

12:14

could have been, should have been whatever, but was never

12:16

meant to be the World Cup final is probably the

12:18

best way to do it. On

12:20

a side note, it's going to be in Marseille. That will

12:22

be a bloody beautiful atmosphere. It's going to be unique history

12:24

in the making. Stade de France has been renovated for the

12:27

Olympics, so they have to play

12:29

all the Six Nations home games away from

12:31

Paris. Fantastic. So actually, there's some

12:33

good in it. You're going

12:35

to challenge yourself to the best. You're not going to

12:37

have to wait around long to see really where we

12:39

are at and how good we can be without the

12:41

little magic, little man. So

12:44

it's all happy. And then rugby will take back

12:46

its place. So it's just a sport. You're just

12:48

going to have to have fun and we'll still

12:50

be there and still have a few points afterwards.

12:52

You know, it'll still be fun. All is good.

12:54

And it's not massively different for Ireland, actually. I

12:57

think it's, I think it really damages

12:59

them. The expectations were really high. You

13:01

see, the guys have come back. They haven't

13:03

really scored finals in tricky, mate. Mike

13:10

Tims was a **** as well, mate. That's

13:13

just one of them. But

13:16

I do, yeah, I think the expectations were

13:18

so high. It was incredibly disappointing. The

13:20

highlight for Ireland was in the game against,

13:23

probably against South Africa. It's

13:27

a joke, but Ireland are no further along

13:29

than they've ever been before. So I

13:31

think there was definitely, there's scars there

13:33

that haven't performed particularly well. Up

13:35

and down, if you look at Lancer, Munster,

13:37

Ulster, good performances mixed with

13:40

really average performances. Same with players, a

13:42

few high profile players, maybe not performing as

13:44

they were. So there's definitely a

13:47

hangover. But it's, and it's

13:49

get back on the horse. The

13:51

ice was different for you, mate, isn't it? It

13:54

was so arrogant. It was unbelievable.

13:57

He was. He was. He

13:59

was. He's one of the nice

14:01

ones. But

14:03

after all, you said, you'll never beat us,

14:05

we're so good. But there's

14:07

definitely a bit of reframing at

14:09

the end. Sexton finished, and

14:12

famously he said, we didn't, we

14:14

lost but we won because of the atmosphere

14:16

and the journey. But they

14:18

didn't. They lost and they lost. That's

14:20

what I have on abortion. And that's been

14:23

the story of every World Cup for Ireland. While

14:26

I still think they're a really good side, those

14:29

first years after World Cups are

14:31

kind of strange. And

14:33

if you, there's no real, it's

14:35

not linear. You can have a really good

14:38

World Cup and then start that new cycle

14:40

and not be very good. Or

14:42

have a decent World Cup and perform. So Ireland

14:44

have had, back in 2003, what we

14:46

had was a decent World Cup for us. And we

14:48

went straight into it and we were good. And

14:52

then every World Cup since, Ireland have underperformed,

14:54

I suppose, by their own standards and had

14:56

a really bad year the next year. And

14:58

so while I'm incredibly excited by this game

15:01

at the weekend, I think on Friday, it's

15:03

all the hallmarks. This should be a classic. We

15:06

could prove what kind of a final it could be, but

15:08

also it could be a dance quib. You don't know. Ireland

15:11

haven't really built that. I know that

15:13

Johnny Sexton was such a key role, playing till 38, but

15:16

they haven't really cemented that person

15:18

to fill the shoes. Well,

15:21

what can you do when you have Johnny Sexton in

15:23

your squad? You say, oh, we plan for the future,

15:25

but he wants to play every game. He's your best

15:27

player, a 10. He's consistently

15:29

performed brilliantly. And

15:32

he drives the team, not just as a 10, but

15:34

everyone else. So I think it's very hard when

15:36

you've got a player like that to transition, especially

15:38

if you don't have a player that comes in

15:40

and just kicks the door down. So

15:43

if you look at how Sexton got

15:45

there, there's a real arrogance about Sexton. O'Gara

15:48

had been there for years, Ireland's leading points

15:51

scorer. And I think

15:53

I've said this before, Sexton told O'Gara

15:56

was shit, because that's what you needed

15:58

to have the mentality. that.

16:00

Oh, there was a dog in the street

16:02

knew that, you know, and maybe he needed

16:04

to know that in order, he

16:06

needed to think like that in order to take to

16:08

Jersey. And it was the same, you know, I

16:10

said this to Roger, it was the same when Humphreys

16:12

was there in that transitional period. And, oh, Gareth,

16:14

Humphrey was shit. He's like, you know, what's he doing?

16:17

He's too old. Get him out of there. I'm taking

16:19

over. And we haven't had

16:21

anyone do that to Sexton, you know, Sexton hasn't

16:23

allowed and maybe didn't have quite the characters to

16:25

come in and just take over. So what you've

16:28

got is a little bit of a vacuum here.

16:30

Now Crowley was nowhere, you

16:32

know, 18 months ago or two years ago.

16:34

He's super young. He's nailed down the spot

16:36

for, for, for Munster. And he's, you know,

16:39

he's going to be the starting 10 I'd

16:41

imagine. And, you know, Harry Burns, never quite

16:43

done it for Leinster. Ross Byrne is injured

16:45

at the moment, but big

16:47

doubts around them. I

16:50

think Frawley is a

16:52

real talent. And I think he's the highest

16:54

capacity for rugby. I think he's, I think

16:56

he's a brilliant player, but he's

16:58

had two bad years with

17:01

injury. He hasn't nailed down his position

17:03

with Leinster. So actually, if he

17:05

doesn't nail down Leinster this year, and indeed Ireland, he's

17:07

a guy who could miss his whole career. It could

17:09

have been brilliant. Could have been the main man, could

17:12

be there for 10 years, or he could be nothing.

17:14

So it's very interesting to Ireland at fly half. I

17:17

mean, that's the thing. Two caps, nine caps and

17:19

one cap to run the ship that's been run

17:22

so smoothly for a long time. It's a, it's

17:24

a big question mark in the same way that

17:27

Anton de Pont makes France tick, but

17:29

then Luca hasn't lost in nine games.

17:32

But you like some other game other

17:34

than France in Marseille, you know, which,

17:37

you know, can you get a higher

17:39

game? By the way, Marseille is a,

17:42

I know that it might not, it

17:44

might not translate very well, but playing

17:46

France in Marseille ramps up, I think,

17:48

even to another level than playing

17:50

them in Stade de France, the passion that

17:53

goes in in Marseille. We

17:55

play it. We, the only game that we lot, I know

17:57

this is going to matter 20 years. Let's talk about good

17:59

old day. I've got quite

18:01

a bit of wood in it, haven't I? I ain't

18:04

got five long with you. The

18:06

knives are still awake, Cass, that's the

18:08

main thing. I did black out then,

18:10

I thought. It is a cauldron

18:13

and a great place to play. Anyone who

18:15

went there in the World Cup, and it

18:18

is a fantastic place. So France will

18:20

be hard to beat there. What

18:23

excites you most about France, and what

18:25

worries you most about France? I'll

18:28

always be worried. Only a

18:31

week after the World Cup elimination, did

18:33

you have Fabian Galletier, Bollocksnaked on the

18:35

front page of a gossip magazine. Did

18:38

you not see him on a nudist beach with

18:40

his... Was he still wearing the clothes?

18:42

Yeah, I was going to say. Did he have

18:44

a little pair for that as well? I will. I

18:47

will. And he was still wearing the glasses. Amazing.

18:50

Yeah, on a nudist beach, and

18:52

when everybody's thinking, he

18:54

must be so depressed, and the players are feeling

18:56

it really hard. That's something to left for your CV,

18:58

that. Nudeus beach. I'm not sure I got the... That'd

19:02

be brilliant. He was

19:05

looking out, was he? With his mistress. Yeah,

19:07

professionally. Only in France. Only in France, get

19:09

away with it. I got a mistress, he hit the fucking

19:11

divorce, do you know what I mean? I'm

19:13

joking. It's frowned upon not to have one to be over. I'm

19:16

moving to France. The

19:18

good, the bad, and the rugby.

19:20

That's perfect. So he got caught, and it was all a

19:22

bit of a thing. It was a bit of a thing,

19:24

and considering that you have to pretend that you're really, really

19:26

sad, and that life doesn't go on, move

19:28

on, you know, you have to go. How excited were you

19:31

on the beach? Exactly.

19:35

Every male rugby, every male

19:37

rugby, zootaloo. My

19:39

wife, I can't believe that. Shh. So

19:43

we will always keep it interesting, basically. I

19:46

can just see how produced the thing is. Imagine

19:49

Steve Borswick on a nudist beach with a missile.

19:51

Imagine him on Brighton, like, you know, out there

19:53

with a condom stuck to the side of his

19:55

head, because he's like a bit of toilet paper

19:57

on a pebble beach. a

20:00

little whips and knob out with it, but imagine

20:02

that. Not quite the same, is it, on a

20:04

New Year's piece. Fabian Galtier with the old tackle,

20:06

sunburn, beautiful lady. I

20:09

just remember. You're getting the theme. I

20:12

just remember him to breathe. When

20:14

we're talking room for you, you two don't say anything. Eat

20:16

more of the New Year, eat more of the New Year.

20:19

I was about to say that. Robe the intellect, Robe the

20:21

intellect. Fucking Norpet comes in and out and enjoys. Back

20:23

to the Robe the intellect, Ben. No, no, no,

20:26

but I'm happy to see Hask back. It's good.

20:29

I've got plenty more way of bringing him back to

20:31

the conversation. The

20:35

question was what excites me, what also worries me. And

20:37

then I will always be worried about, we can always

20:39

do something and we can always fuck up along the

20:41

way. That's just the way that we behave. But

20:45

this new generation, like Tim said, is not

20:47

really gonna change, right? There's about 80% of

20:50

the spine of the team is gonna stay the same. Antoine DuPont

20:52

looks like he's been here forever, but he's only 26, 27. So

20:55

those boys will get there to the next World Cup. I'm

20:59

aiming to get 85% of this squad

21:01

to Australia. So that's good. That's consistency

21:03

for once, which is something that we

21:05

don't normally do. So relatively

21:07

reliably, we can sort of expect the

21:09

starting 15 to be what we think

21:11

it will be. But there's a fair

21:14

few little prospects around there that are

21:16

unbelievable. There's Henry Tuolaghi's son, Postolo Tuolaghi,

21:18

145 kgs, an absolute monster. It

21:24

would be very surprising if he was a tiny little thing.

21:26

But he is an absolute

21:28

freak of nature with great hands. Is

21:30

he actually ready for international rugby? I don't know.

21:32

Is he gonna be your bench player that can

21:34

do anything? I don't know. Emmanuel Meafood, the big

21:36

animal from Toulouse, was meant to come, but he

21:38

just got injured last week, so he's not gonna

21:40

be picked. And then, yes, you're gonna have to

21:42

replace. The

21:44

elephant in the room, Antoine DuPont, you're gonna have

21:47

to replace him and do well. Maxime LeCude, number

21:49

nine for Bordeaux, has been absolutely smashing it. And

21:51

There's a hot little nine that plays for wrestling.

21:54

Nolan Le Garak, who is really, really good. So

21:56

I'm excited to see those young guys fitted into

21:58

the team that's gonna be relatively... The

22:00

experience because those guys will still be there already

22:02

does a fantastic captain Gm are so move Aca

22:04

will still be there you know Salvia was still

22:06

hang on the on on the ten jersey while

22:09

so intimate comes back get a sequel was still

22:11

be there are two my almost at fullback them

22:13

your puno object July so they will be there

22:15

so I'm excited about that. I'm excited about. Must

22:18

say I'm always scared that we're going to do

22:20

something. fucking stupid speakers it's a only it's always

22:22

in the back of my mind's and butts but

22:24

the rest says just meal at rugby player is

22:27

it is a more important for us and France

22:29

to to win. This tournament because days Nielsen

22:31

underachieved of the world called so I'm kind

22:33

of worried. But ah from our perspective because

22:35

of you look at it's a very staid

22:38

squad fries and as does does. No big

22:40

surprise is not like that's because new generation,

22:42

no oil and can't do what maybe New

22:44

Zealand and France can do in just turn

22:47

muscles. We don't have those numbers spurs the

22:49

same time and is pretty conservative. Am does

22:51

and does not impact awesome for years time

22:53

you know was his files hankins. We gotta

22:56

win this to prove that you know where

22:58

winners. Look

23:00

I I think pressures on France because we're hosting

23:02

Ireland and England the last one because we were

23:04

the host of the last World Cup. Yes you

23:06

are the number one team in the world. you

23:08

were favorites but we were still hosting the world

23:10

and them So I think the most disappointed we're

23:12

we're going to be those assholes and us to

23:14

the etti. Get to the we're gonna have to

23:16

have a while now. Six This is who the

23:18

hell can predict what's gonna happen? I have no

23:20

clue. All I know is that it's absolutely forbidden

23:22

to lose against England the final game and Zola

23:24

research assistant give her a little bit of peace

23:26

of mind and and his face it's you know

23:28

this so we are better. Or by the way

23:31

just I i had a twin is there

23:33

when he said well you know I was

23:35

at his can we make sure in the

23:37

rest of history that are that are never

23:39

shows his favorites or well so big as

23:41

seven six an hour ago and I don't

23:43

know the show us your the ones. That can.

23:46

tell it's a source of medicine dumb inferno

23:48

with and i think it's thirty tries in

23:50

the his last thirty two tests if we

23:52

are looking at box office dollars on his

23:54

netflix series is out now when looking at

23:56

who is going to carry this gif what

23:58

is it from your opinion as a top-class

24:01

former international winger. Is Panno the best in the business

24:03

right now? Would you pick back

24:05

handsome? Would you go with James Lowe? Do you think

24:07

Panno is at the moment? Yeah,

24:09

he just feels like a rock star, doesn't he? He just

24:12

feels every time he gets the ball, he's electric. It's

24:15

attracted to him. That's the other thing. We have

24:17

really great winners. Somehow

24:20

the ball just comes to them. They're on the end

24:22

of everything. The way France play, he gets lots of

24:24

ball as well. Every sort of bounce of

24:26

the ball seems to bounce up to hit

24:28

him perfectly. Yeah, that

24:30

strike rate is ridiculous. Maybe

24:33

Rocco Coco or someone in

24:36

that era, in

24:38

their total pomp, is the only one to sort of touch

24:40

it. That's borderline ridiculous

24:43

strike rate. But yeah, it's hard to

24:45

see. Bayern, Hansen's injured. He's out. He's

24:47

going to be in Ireland's main guy.

24:49

Lowe has come back after not

24:52

playing since the World Cup, pretty much. Maybe only one

24:54

game, two games. But

24:56

not in the same sort of trying scoring machine as

24:58

Panno at the moment. Is

25:01

there anyone, and we sort of touched on the

25:03

tens, I suppose, in particular, from it, is there

25:05

anyone outside of that who you are quite excited

25:08

about seeing in an Ireland jersey? Are there

25:10

people who you think should be in the Ireland jersey? Well,

25:12

I suppose the point I was making earlier, there hasn't been,

25:14

you know, we don't have that massive churn of players. But

25:17

I tell you who we do have, I think, I'm

25:19

really excited. I would love to see Frawley

25:23

get a run. I think he will at some stage.

25:25

He'll get some time, you know, injury profiles, likely get

25:27

some if he does that. I think he'll make an

25:29

impact. He can actually play as

25:32

12 at the moment as well. He's two first

25:34

five eights. I don't think they will pick him

25:36

at that. But he's he has a lot of

25:38

adaptability. So he's definitely someone who could be,

25:40

you know, outside of a 10.

25:42

He could be on even if he didn't make the second 10, he

25:44

could play, he covered the outside backs as well. So

25:47

I think he'll get some game time. And I'd like

25:49

to see him run the game. I'd like to see

25:51

people watch him run the game for

25:53

Ireland because he's got so many traits that I like

25:55

sex and it's incredible. You know, he's a brilliant kicking

25:57

game as well. Takes the ball to the line and

25:59

beautiful. move the ball across the body in the

26:01

same sort of way a section does. And

26:04

so I'd like to see him get game

26:06

time. The other big one is Joe McCarthy.

26:08

So he's danced her second row. So it

26:10

came from nowhere almost to get time in

26:12

the World Cup and scored at the World

26:14

Cup and is now sort of the, you

26:16

know, the kind of the bright young thing

26:18

for Ireland. I think he'll get game time.

26:20

Talk on the street is that he'll start

26:22

against France. You know, that

26:24

is a tough way to start your year. Yeah.

26:27

Well, welcome to the Six Nations. You know,

26:29

he's able for it. He, I think Ireland are looking

26:31

for a bit more physicality in the second row. So

26:34

I can see him delivering that. He's a big strong unit.

26:37

So, you know, Ireland, the steady team, he's

26:39

possibly one of the few areas that we'll

26:41

have changed and maybe an impact. Good

26:43

thing is for Ireland, they've got so much

26:45

experience around whoever plays at 10. You know,

26:48

you've got Bundy Akke, who is unbelievable

26:50

for him in the World Cup. You've got Gary

26:52

Ringrose. You've got, I know you've got a few

26:54

injuries at Gibson Park, sorry, at nine. And then

26:56

you've got a few injuries in the in

26:58

the bat three, but still you've got

27:01

Jordan Lamo coming back who was on

27:03

fire a bit ago and then just

27:05

sort of disappeared because of how good

27:07

like some Mack Hansen were. So

27:09

I think, I think if it's the

27:11

right time to blood, you know, whether it is

27:15

for all or whether it is Crowley, I think you've got

27:18

the right people around them to allow them to

27:20

slip into that where they don't have to try

27:22

and do everything. They can just facilitate the players

27:24

around them and stick to a game plan and

27:26

they still should be able to get through that

27:29

and then play their way in. Can

27:31

I ask you a quick question? Andy Farrell, obviously,

27:33

Lawrence, he's done the photo call. Everyone's excited about

27:36

him and it. Is that in any way a

27:38

distraction or is that just on hold until December

27:40

when the November audio autumn series is done? I

27:42

don't know. It's kind of a tough one, isn't

27:44

it? Again, to the point I

27:46

made earlier, I think he'll want to, he'll really

27:48

be focused on winning as well,

27:50

not just for his

27:52

own position and our position, but because of that

27:55

hangover from the World Cup, he needs to

27:57

shake Ireland out of it because if

27:59

you don't get into to get up and running

28:01

and doing well in the six-section, then things

28:03

go awry really quickly. Really quickly, it doesn't

28:05

take too many cycles to sort of lose

28:08

your way a little bit. So he'll want

28:10

the guys back on track. I think he'll

28:12

be laser-focused on that. So it

28:15

is a little bit of a distraction, but

28:17

I think he needs to put it

28:19

out of his head. Listen, it's brilliant. It's

28:22

brilliant for the Irish lads. You think he's

28:24

gonna go fairly deep. It's always the case,

28:26

isn't it? No matter what country the Lions

28:28

coach is from, they generally go deep on

28:30

that because they're working from a similar game plan.

28:32

So that'll be in the back of

28:34

everyone's mind as well. But they need to keep the show

28:37

on the road until then. I

28:39

want to ask you about the emotional bounce back

28:41

because 2015 wasn't anyone's finest

28:43

hour. 2011,

28:46

excellent. Yeah. 2019,

28:49

I retired, so never mind. Those are my World

28:51

Cups. But you obviously had a change of coach,

28:53

which is a huge sort of changing of the

28:56

guard, so to speak. Ireland and France are

28:58

both under similar management, but

29:00

what do you remember from 2016 when you

29:02

came back from the absolute despair of a home World

29:04

Cup and picked up a Grand Slam? I mean, I

29:06

think it just shows that actually, you can have the

29:08

existing talent within the squad. It's just

29:11

how you utilize it and that reinvigoration,

29:13

where you put your energy almost, you

29:16

know, Eddie came in, I've talked about it

29:19

a number of times, but kind of had

29:21

that kind of mob mentality, us against the

29:23

world. I'm really interested about Ireland and France,

29:25

purely because I think in my perception,

29:27

that was Ireland's moment in

29:29

time to do it. All the things

29:31

were in place. They had the players. And

29:33

I wonder now if they don't do well

29:35

in this next six nations, what exactly what

29:38

Shane was saying with Andy Farrell, you

29:40

know, because will he stay on? Will he keep him

29:42

on? Or will he want to keep doing it when

29:44

he's lost sex, he's lost his other players, you know,

29:46

Peter O'Manage, captain, thoroughly deserved, amazing player. How long will

29:48

he last? Will he go to the next World Cup?

29:50

I'm not sure he will. Will we

29:52

have these opportunities of other players coming in with France?

29:55

I thought maybe France of old

29:57

might have, I don't know if it's unfair to

29:59

say, might have disbanded. after the World Cup.

30:01

You might have changed coaches, there could have been

30:03

some infighting. The fact they've stayed together just shows

30:05

just how far this French team's come. So I

30:07

think it is really interesting that both these outfits

30:09

need to kick on and get some progress because

30:12

otherwise the shine does start to come off it

30:14

and whether they're actually going to be able to

30:16

keep it together. I think with my then coming

30:18

into the Six Nations, Eddie was

30:20

so good at kind of motivating us and putting

30:22

us to play a style that suited us.

30:24

And Tins always

30:27

says, after 2019 World Cup, Eddie

30:30

was always constantly playing that final over and

30:32

over again for the following two years and

30:34

tried to almost overthink things and change things

30:36

that had worked well. Everything was about being

30:38

a part. And I think when in 2016

30:40

he came in and went, listen, what is

30:42

English rugby about? What suits the

30:44

players in this squad? And I think both these teams,

30:47

ironically for France Island, they're actually down to

30:49

spine margins. On any other day, they both

30:52

win those games. They're both into the mix,

30:54

which is almost unheard of. I think for

30:56

someone like England where they're going to end

30:58

up is a much bigger change that

31:00

needs to happen because A, they lost the fans

31:02

a little bit, B, they lost the sort of

31:05

playing style a little bit. So I think they're

31:07

not far off. And that's unfortunately, it makes life

31:09

harder for them to be successful because I don't

31:11

think there's any big glaring differences. Ironically,

31:13

they both lost their talismanic players, but I

31:15

still think there's amazing players that can kick

31:17

on. But that could be an advantage for

31:20

England because what sometimes happens is, and Ireland,

31:22

I thought started to play a new type

31:24

of style for them in the

31:26

last few years. And I think they were ahead of

31:28

a lot of teams in their style at their best.

31:30

They didn't always play their best rugby, but you

31:32

could see what they were trying to do at

31:34

their best. And teams found it very difficult to

31:37

deal with that. Now, since then,

31:39

teams have identified what Ireland have been

31:41

doing and other teams have caught up

31:43

and surpassed or doing different

31:45

things. Now, I don't see Ireland making

31:47

wholesale changes in their style in these

31:49

first two years of this cycle. So

31:51

what can sometimes happen is when you

31:53

stick with the old style and

31:56

you have got two years of stagnation and then all of a sudden

31:58

you're two years out from World Cup, it's like or

32:00

what do we do, or how are

32:02

we the innovators? Whereas I think with

32:04

both Wales and England

32:07

in particular, you've

32:09

got a chance to go, well, what can

32:11

we do? What's our style

32:13

gonna be? What's our innovation? Can we look

32:15

at things totally different and play a different

32:17

type of game that no one's really seen

32:19

before and certainly never seen us deliver? And

32:21

it takes a while to catch up or

32:24

to change the way you defend or you

32:26

play in order to counteract that. I'm

32:28

gonna give you both a free hit because I'm

32:30

fascinated, given how much you both watched the game

32:32

on England. Farrell is off

32:34

to wrassing. New captain in

32:36

Jamie George, they scrambled their way to third

32:38

and to be fair, did a hell of

32:41

a job in getting to third given how

32:43

they approached the tournament. When

32:45

you look at England now, you see what? I

32:49

see actually a very solid squad. So I still

32:51

see a lot of hope, by the way, that

32:54

Saints are playing. They play fast. They play really

32:56

electric, rapid rugby. And if you manage to take

32:58

that form and that dynamism and that spirit that

33:00

they bring, you mentioned Freeman, all those guys, you

33:02

just need a couple of those guys to ignite

33:04

the fire back in that talent, which is there.

33:07

Let's face it, it has always been there and

33:10

bring a little bit of that self-confidence back.

33:12

I actually, I'm scared about how

33:14

good they can be if you, again,

33:17

if you use that talent in the right

33:19

way, but I think you also have to be

33:21

brave enough also maybe to change.

33:24

You have to be brave enough not to pick

33:26

on CV but to pick on current form. I

33:28

think the last squad has proven it a little

33:30

bit. Now will they make it until the starting

33:33

15? That's a different story. Side

33:35

note, I think Jamie George has a fantastic appointment. He's a top

33:37

lad, he's a hell of a player, and he'll

33:40

do a good job. So

33:42

I see potential, basically. I see

33:44

a capacity to reignite the talent

33:47

using the momentum of the Saints

33:49

normally. I agree this huge

33:52

capacity for better Performance.

33:55

I Don't think England had a good

33:57

world call. Very

34:00

buying average of World cup and they

34:02

played South Africa who'd had a the

34:04

muscles emotional performance the week before were

34:06

running on empty. I'm were actually there

34:09

to be knocked out by anyone. Have

34:11

these an did months can over the

34:13

line with thoughts. Am. Allowed

34:15

to say both is not bus. Stop.

34:21

The problem is always right. the problem is on.

34:23

This is a real issue for England that they

34:25

go. I see we weren't up out in the

34:27

world golf. we keep on doing sorted what we're

34:29

doing and will work. Will get there you won't

34:31

What they did was a really poor amateur able

34:34

to I would say some sort there may be.

34:36

I like your my see and. Hear

34:39

they say they did a poor

34:42

imitation of of South Africa. That's

34:44

what they. Did and so the beats

34:46

a sovereign state delivered their best performance on.

34:48

So this is Africa delivered a buying or

34:50

average performance and South Africa beat them. So

34:52

that's three ways as don't keep my the

34:54

employment are for or what they need to

34:56

do is move away from that utilize the

34:58

actual incredible players they have a produce a

35:01

new his game plan stuff might need to

35:03

succeed the six seasons. the puts them on

35:05

a on the fourteenth to move positively forward

35:07

over the next few years and until next

35:09

World Cup. that's what they need to do.

35:11

I'm not sure if they will know some

35:13

them at the base. Also,

35:15

mass. of

35:23

that are the we already got the back of were

35:25

seized outta the before we do the other. Felix.

35:28

Jones is a huge amount of excitement

35:30

about Fi shows. His double woke up one

35:32

of the box he's of as he got

35:34

amazing amount of intellect and intensity and you.

35:37

Was your. my this this this

35:39

where this may be the change this may

35:41

be the catalyst start them into needs a

35:43

stay is to utilize them i think you

35:45

look at things very differently and i don't

35:48

think he's just you know mister south africa

35:50

and he was you'll see his influence being

35:52

the what south africa do not sort of

35:54

a play or the i think you'll identifying

35:56

that's am to play a different type of

35:58

play what he will I think having

36:01

been coached and play with Razi at Munster

36:04

and then South Africa to win two World

36:06

Cups will bring like a crazy

36:08

intensity and focus and you

36:10

know massive work ethic and

36:14

We'll be able to sort of you know be a I

36:17

suppose a chink into the type of mentality that

36:19

you need to have to get over the line

36:21

now I said the England

36:23

performance and and Their

36:25

tactics have to be very different, but he'll bring

36:27

that and the other thing that he'll bring is

36:30

you know an incredible detail

36:33

to His role. I

36:35

know he's the defense coach, but

36:37

actually he'll have Both

36:40

sides of the ball. So he'll he's a real

36:43

Analysis, so he will pick up the

36:45

minor things on the opposition attack, but

36:47

also the things on the opposition defense

36:49

as well So he'll have a huge

36:51

input to that. He'll be breaking down

36:53

and providing information for individual players And

36:55

I remember Conro Che who I'd say

36:57

used to work with an Irish

36:59

TV and he said

37:01

just as He

37:04

was finishing up and kind of looking for a

37:06

job He was he was Felix was kind of

37:08

you know trying to start off and listen if

37:10

you look at his career He kind of had

37:12

a very average career in Leinster a fairly average

37:14

career in Ireland with Munster as well played a

37:16

bit for Ireland book. He wouldn't mean the guy

37:18

you would have thought Christ. He's going to be

37:20

a standout He's gonna be a coach and he's

37:22

gonna he's gonna be a world-winning coach He just

37:24

wouldn't have been on the radar, but Connor

37:27

did say telling a story that was insightful

37:29

He said so he I think he was

37:31

still playing or just transitioning out and

37:34

he sent Connor as

37:36

in a video of breaking

37:38

down a number of the

37:41

players in his in in the Hardicorns team at

37:43

the time which Connor was the coach of and

37:45

he said it was straight away. It was brilliant

37:47

He said he knew he had a brilliant

37:49

eye Great very analytical and he said he kind

37:51

of wanted to give him a job there and

37:53

then they were they were loaded at the time

37:55

But he said like very early on it was

37:57

no surprise that you You

38:00

know, that Razi brought him to South Africa because he knew what

38:02

he was doing straight off. Very exciting.

38:05

I think England fans will certainly see the impact, not only

38:07

of Felix Jones but Andrew Strawbridge as well, who's been a

38:09

contact specialist in the

38:11

game and has come over from New Zealand. Adam Walters

38:13

has got more time under the belt there. So certainly

38:15

not for England fans to be optimistic about. Imagine the

38:17

fact we need a drink. I'm not sure you do,

38:19

but perhaps everyone else might do. So

38:21

should we, we'll call it 10 minutes, should we, 10, 15

38:24

minutes and we'll see you back and then we'll talk Wales and

38:26

Scotland when we come back. For now, ladies and gentlemen, give an

38:28

enormous round of applause to Shane, to both. Ladies and

38:31

gentlemen, have a 15 minute time. Ladies

38:42

and gentlemen, welcome back to the Good and Bad of the

38:45

Rugby Live. That's

38:47

better. OK, now Monday Itis

38:49

is wearing away, which is

38:51

great to see. We

38:54

sacked Hask at half time, ladies and gentlemen, which is

38:56

great news. He's

38:59

now in the audience with you, so be very, very careful. We will

39:01

get him out a little bit later on. We

39:04

are going to talk Wales and Scotland

39:06

and Italy as well. It's a fascinating

39:08

time. We've got Italian supporters in here.

39:11

See, welcome to you. Isn't

39:14

that representative of the Six Nations? Well,

39:17

because it is a very interesting time. We have a little

39:19

bit of a dance into Italy as well. But just before

39:21

we get the guys back out, I wanted to make one

39:23

very quick announcement as we say, welcome back to the Good

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Continental Ties. Because I'm sure those of you

39:30

who absolutely love your rugby will

39:32

know the name Gary Street, who was the

39:34

England Red Roses head coach 10 years ago,

39:36

2014, when the likes of Emily Skarratt,

39:40

Nolly Waterman, Maggie Alphonse, Katie-Dane McLean,

39:42

of course, who was captain, lifted

39:44

the Women's Rugby World Cup out in France. And

39:47

Gary, very sadly, hasn't been very well

39:49

recently. He had a stroke not that

39:51

long ago, which has paralysed his right

39:53

side and his vocal

39:55

cords, which took place during heart

39:57

surgery last year, when the incident occurred. had

40:00

five months in hospital, he has relearned how

40:02

to swallow and he has regained mobility in

40:04

his paralysed limbs and we understand

40:07

that he's due to be discharged from

40:09

hospital very soon, which is brilliant, brilliant

40:11

news, but he is now

40:13

faced with a two-year wait for speech

40:15

therapy and a four-month wait for physiotherapy,

40:17

which he needs daily to keep his

40:19

progress going. So his wife Flip, his

40:21

two young sons, has set up a

40:23

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40:25

for support in getting him the treatment

40:28

that he needs to continue his rehabilitation.

40:30

We're going to put the link of the

40:32

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40:35

but if you go to gofundme.com

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40:40

and I just love a quick round of applause

40:42

for Gary Street ladies and gents, a

40:45

great great man and we're obviously

40:48

sending the Street family all of our love and best

40:50

wishes as they get themselves better

40:52

and actually I just wanted to add as

40:54

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41:00

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41:18

to see him back up and running back in

41:20

the game before too long. So Gary get well

41:22

soon from all of us. Keep

41:24

fighting your good fight. Let's

41:28

move on to part two of our Six Nations

41:30

preview. Let's welcome back Tins, Shane Hawgan and Ben

41:32

Cazer and we're going to introduce for the first

41:35

time tonight the former Scotland captain Rory Lawson

41:37

and the Lions and Wales legend

41:39

John Fox Davis. Come on out

41:41

Jan. A little

41:43

bit of Celtic brethren. Put

41:46

you there, you there, you there. Big

41:49

gin of tonic for Rory. Welcome along, we'll have a

41:51

hug and the great man

41:53

who is still spot the

41:55

one who's still playing ripped

41:58

and ready to Rumble. Welcome

42:01

along Shapps. We started by asking everyone

42:03

else, memories of the six nations, but

42:06

you might even go five nations actually,

42:08

but when this time of year comes

42:10

around, what does that

42:13

mean to you and the Lawson

42:15

household? Well Scotland will always be

42:17

the five nations champions,

42:19

Al, forever. Forever. And

42:22

we will continue to live off that 25 years

42:24

on, having won nothing since. But

42:28

yeah, I guess you could split it easily

42:30

into three chunks, kind of

42:33

the days growing up, listening

42:35

to Papa Bill McLaren commentate

42:37

on five and early six

42:39

nations championships. And I'm

42:41

sure many of the people here tonight will have

42:44

all their favorite one-liners, whether it's Simon Gigan,

42:46

there he is, he's all arms and legs

42:48

like a flying octopus, or

42:51

Barry John. They say down at Strade, if

42:53

you catch him, you get to make a wish. Or

42:58

Brian Redpath, he's a slippery, has a

43:00

baggie up a border burn. And

43:02

for any of you non-scots who don't know what a

43:04

baggie is, it's a fish. So, but

43:07

you know, I could pin one, my personal

43:09

favorite one-liner of Papa's, I'm going to pin

43:11

on Hask while he's not on stage in

43:13

a position to respond. But another Englishman who

43:16

he spoke about was Victor

43:18

Obogu. And I don't know if any of

43:20

you remember it, but you know, growing up,

43:22

I'd go down to Heik and go into

43:24

Papa's office and he'd have VHS videos everywhere

43:26

and you'd go and watch them and he had

43:28

Bill's best bits and 100 best tries

43:31

and all that kind of stuff. And

43:33

you still see it if you

43:35

YouTube Bill McLaren in amongst the

43:37

Guinness advert. There's a bit whereby

43:39

Victor Obogu is walking towards camera

43:41

and his shorts were ripped and

43:44

he's walking towards, he said, there he is, Victor

43:46

Obogu, just as well, he's got a long jersey,

43:51

which Hask didn't need. But the one that

43:53

I would pin to Hask would

43:56

be my personal favorite. And it was a

43:59

guy, Flace Visan. Haki who was born in

44:01

the high-veld in Pretoria, but on this occasion I'll

44:03

give Hask the limelight, given

44:05

that he can't take it. And he

44:07

said, there

44:10

he is, James Huskell, born when meat

44:12

was cheap. I'll

44:15

mentor that. So growing

44:17

up with that and missing a little Scottish prick,

44:19

I've got a fucking microphone. I'll

44:22

see you in a car park office. I'm

44:25

going to keep you down, cry in the cheap, see his Hask. But

44:29

yeah, and then, look, growing up as grandson

44:31

of Bill McLaren and son of a man,

44:34

Alan James McGregor Lawson,

44:36

who scored two tries for Scotland

44:38

against England in 1976 in a

44:41

famous victory, wasn't

44:44

necessarily easiest. And dare I say it, the

44:46

dad had many better days in a Scotland

44:48

jersey than I did. But

44:51

I remember Tins's 50th cap was my

44:53

first game at Twickenham. And

44:55

I remember him running on a

44:58

rangy first opportunity straight down my

45:00

channel. Goss, their teammate, I managed

45:02

to get him to the floor, had a little giggle

45:04

on the deck and back into action. And

45:07

Tins, I think Tins Blazer

45:09

that evening was stretched

45:12

around the shoulders, pockets bulging with

45:14

pink notes, having gone into every

45:18

box to be able to do the rounds

45:20

after another straightforward

45:22

victory. Hello HMRC. Now,

45:26

they're too busy with Lawrence at the moment, so they will leave

45:28

me alone. No

45:31

one is safe on this show. It's

45:33

funny because it's funny with

45:35

Scotland because they always know how to get your own

45:37

back. So Rory, obviously a great mate of mine at

45:40

Gloucester and came to my wedding and he brought me

45:42

a wedding gift.

45:44

And he got Bill McLaren used to

45:47

write the greatest notes on about the

45:49

game and how they were written, where

45:51

they came from, everything like that. And

45:54

he decided, he gave me, he very

45:56

kindly gave me one as a wedding

45:58

gift. He happened to

46:00

choose my first ever loss in England

46:02

jersey. A loss of a

46:05

grand slam game. England, Scotland in

46:07

2000 where we got the headline

46:09

was Duncan Hodge scored every single

46:11

point in every manner he could

46:13

score. Try, drop goal, penalty and

46:16

conversion. And the headline was slam dunked.

46:18

And he thought that was the best wedding gift he

46:20

could give me. The

46:22

worst game of my life and the only

46:24

game that's actually truly scarred me and he

46:26

thought he'd just pick at that. It's

46:29

hanging in your downstairs lid. It is in my hood,

46:31

Lou. You're welcome, guys. It makes me sob every time I take

46:33

a shit. Quite right. Which,

46:36

based on having room with you on a few

46:39

occasions, is frequent. That's

46:43

just to get away from you. Yeah.

46:45

Jon Fox, welcome to you. Still doing

46:48

the business. Well, I wouldn't say

46:50

that, but still enjoying it, kind of. You

46:54

are, I would be, how's it against you, you're

46:56

the most successful Six Nations of our panel. How

46:58

many medals have you got? Four.

47:00

Yeah, I think that does make you. That does make

47:03

you the most successful panel. Round of applause to Jon

47:05

Fox. Same thing. Same thing. Some

47:07

point degree. You've got four as

47:09

well, have you? All right. You've got more

47:11

grand slams, though. Yeah. Are

47:14

you, let's not get competitive. As

47:17

a genuine question, are you, because you're still

47:20

playing, do you look at the Six Nations

47:22

now and think, I can relax

47:24

and enjoy it? Is there an itch that you'd still love to

47:26

be putting a jock strap back on or is it sort of,

47:28

is it all gone? I think it's, having

47:31

been involved in it and played in it, you

47:33

get how special it is for the fans, the

47:35

players, and you just, you just know what the

47:38

players are going through and that excitement. Like

47:40

one of the best things for, you know,

47:43

Welsh players is that bus into Cardiff on

47:45

match day, going through down St. Mary's street,

47:47

all the fans coming out of the pubs.

47:49

And you know, you, you, you're so lucky

47:52

that you've experienced it and you

47:54

just, you're grateful for that opportunity. And you just

47:56

know that the boys are going through it. They're

47:58

going to have a great time. and then being

48:01

able to go to games and you know

48:03

get that buzz of the atmosphere it's it

48:05

you do obviously miss it but when

48:07

you're not playing in Six Nations you get

48:10

weeks off and you can I was in

48:12

Marrakesh last week so I can't go play.

48:14

It's a tough life. His holiday's gone from

48:17

3 a year to 70. Yeah, more time

48:19

off recovery.

48:22

Of your four medals, this is a stupid question because

48:24

I know where you're gonna go, but of your four

48:26

which one is hung highest in the trophy cabinet or

48:29

are they all equally valuable? No,

48:31

I think obviously the Grand Slams

48:33

were special in 2012 and 2019 but I did

48:36

love the Six Nations in 2013 where

48:38

you know obviously

48:43

England would come into Cardiff to win a Grand

48:45

Slam and yeah

48:48

sadly it didn't go their way that day.

48:50

Play another fucking record. Yeah, it was just

48:52

the whole day like I think it was

48:55

you know I think as we're coming down

48:57

to the Cardiff City Football Stadium the bus

48:59

stops and there's like a motivational video where

49:01

like there's quotes from the English players all

49:03

week like we're going to Cardiff to win

49:06

a Grand Slam. We're not afraid of the

49:08

millennium scene at the time but the principality

49:10

and you just knew there was that feeling

49:12

amongst the group you know there wasn't much

49:15

set in training rooms but we knew there's

49:17

something special was happening and it was yeah

49:19

that was a very special day for us. Yeah,

49:21

I'd say that one. Just to annoy you like

49:23

99% of the the audience here. I've done

49:31

the most hey about the other room. I don't know why

49:33

we bought that. So on to this year

49:35

and in many ways you were part of a Wales

49:37

team that probably was always

49:39

as much if not more than the sum

49:41

of its parts. I'm gonna start with Scotland

49:44

because I mean I've got the last 15

49:46

preview shows and every single year

49:48

we come into a Six Nations saying is

49:51

this Scotland's year. So

49:53

is this Scotland's year?

49:57

Well Alex I'm only two episodes into

49:59

Netflix so Scotland. currently two from two.

50:01

You chose to stop there.

50:03

2023 might have been Scotland's team. I've

50:08

not caught up with it yet. Don't keep going from there Rory,

50:10

you can keep watching. Well,

50:13

I mean we've got as much chance as any other year, the

50:15

rest have been played already haven't they? So we're

50:18

often, it's often our year before a ball's been

50:20

kicked or a tackle's been made. But

50:23

you know, I think when you

50:25

look at it, Scotland have got France in round

50:27

two at home and an

50:30

England in round three at home.

50:32

And obviously go, go to Cardiff this

50:34

weekend. Yeah. So,

50:37

and you know, I've got, I've

50:39

been down to Cardiff, both

50:41

playing and, and commentating with massive hopes

50:43

in the, in the early rounds and

50:45

gone away with the, the tail between

50:48

the legs. And, you know, having

50:50

had a lovely time in Cardiff, but not necessarily

50:52

on or on, on field

50:54

or off in the stadium. But you know, I

50:56

think if Scotland could get out the blocks in

50:58

round one, then you just never

51:01

know. But France, France

51:03

are such a strong side. Scotland

51:05

have beaten them recently at, at

51:08

Murrayfield, albeit I think that might've been COVID

51:10

times possibly. But

51:13

who knows? I think, I think Scotland have got the

51:15

artillery on their day to challenge anybody. It

51:19

just depends what, what sort of side turn up. But

51:21

if I picked up on, on Shaggy's

51:23

comments, if, if Scotland had played South Africa

51:25

in the, in the World Cup on their

51:27

bad day, Scotland might've won. But

51:31

it wasn't to be. I think,

51:33

I think for me, it's Gregor, Gregor and

51:36

the squad have been massively disappointed at the

51:38

World Cup, even in a pool with, you

51:40

know, the top two teams in the, in

51:42

the world rankings to have not put in

51:44

the performances to properly compete was

51:46

hugely disappointing at the rugby World Cup.

51:48

So they'll be, they'll be desperate to get out

51:51

the blocks. Unlike a number of the

51:53

other nations in the six nations, Scotland

51:56

don't necessarily talk World Cup cycles. I

51:58

think Scotland have. to put their

52:00

best squad out every single year in

52:02

the six nations to, to really compete

52:04

and roll the dice knowing that this

52:06

is the best of Scotland. And I

52:08

think unlike some other, some other

52:11

teams who might go on World Cup cycles,

52:13

you know, Warren Gatlin talking about this

52:15

crop, he wants, he wants the team to be in

52:17

their mid to late twenties when they go to Australia

52:20

in three and a half years time. Whereas

52:22

Gregor Townsend is we want to

52:24

put our best squad available to

52:26

us in the six nations and see where

52:29

we're at. So I think you know, Finn, Finn

52:31

Russell can, can cast spells

52:33

on many opponents. He's still partial to

52:35

a mistake or two, but he's, he's

52:37

a world renowned and world-class operator on

52:39

his day who can make opposition look

52:41

really stupid. And I think with firepower

52:43

elsewhere, Jack Dempsey has returned playing really

52:46

well for Glasgow warriors. Do you have

52:48

an demand? Amarva, we score, we saw

52:50

him scoring tries for fun last

52:52

season. So I think they've got the artillery to be

52:55

able to challenge the best teams. They need five great

52:57

performances. I'm going to come back to fair

52:59

and we'll talk some of the individuals where

53:01

Wales clean

53:03

slate. I

53:06

think obviously, you

53:08

know, a huge amount of changes have gone in that

53:10

squad. And even if you look

53:12

at some of the injuries that, you know,

53:14

Jack Morgan missing the six nations, where you

53:17

would like to build on the

53:19

performances he put in the World Cup and

53:21

the standards that he set during the, during

53:23

that time. But, you know, I think the

53:26

interesting thing would be was when the heat of

53:29

the battle comes in, when they have that team

53:31

huddle, where the experience is going to be, you

53:34

know, they obviously got, they got George in the squad,

53:36

but where, where, when you're blowing

53:38

through your ass and you're under pressure and you're

53:40

22 and you've got to defend Amal

53:43

or an attacking set piece,

53:45

who, who's going to be those leaders. And I

53:47

think it allows opportunity for

53:49

young boys to gain that

53:51

experience and then grow. You know,

53:53

I, you know, I'm, I'm

53:55

hopeful we can put some good performances together, but

53:58

I don't know whether you look

54:00

at the other teams, they're far more settled, far

54:02

more experienced and probably playing with a lot more

54:04

confidence. So this is an opportunity to gain

54:07

experience and you back the talent but

54:09

I think we're in a spot where

54:11

there's been a lot of change and

54:13

I think it might have to be

54:15

a bit of pain to go through

54:18

before we get where we want to be. Interesting.

54:21

I was going to look at the odds. Scotland

54:23

11-1, Wales 25-1 but would you argue with

54:27

any of that or does that feel about right? Yeah,

54:30

I think it probably is. The other thing that sprung

54:32

to mind there is that you know that Scotland's come

54:34

back in after being so successful

54:36

with you guys over the years and what I always

54:38

thought he could do was he got the best out

54:40

of that group of players

54:43

who were actually a brilliant group of

54:45

players. Like undoubtedly you just had a

54:47

phenomenal group and overall his whole period.

54:49

But I wonder, his task now is different. Yes,

54:51

he has to get the best out of them but

54:54

he has to develop players as well and I don't

54:56

know if that's necessarily his skill set. Do you think

54:58

that is something he

55:00

can do? And if he can't, how

55:03

long does he last? In all fairness, he managed to

55:05

polish the turd that is Haskell into 75 caps. He

55:08

did all

55:10

right, like Midas. Yeah,

55:13

yeah, Gass has always

55:15

been like a great

55:17

motivator. I remember one

55:20

of my first autumns we were about to

55:22

play New Zealand and literally the team meeting before

55:25

the game, he goes boys, all he

55:27

said was boys just think of half past

55:29

five in the pubs in Cardiff, every

55:31

man in his pint saying Wales beat the

55:33

All Blacks today. Wales beat the All

55:35

Blacks. Oh, fuck you, we're going to beat

55:37

the All Blacks today. We lost

55:39

by 35 points. But like he always made us

55:46

feel like a footballer.

55:50

But like you said, you're right, he has to develop and

55:54

give boys in

55:57

training in the week The opportunity to.

56:00

Really see what it is to be

56:02

an international level delivering that consistency like

56:04

island with one of the best teams

56:06

the last three four years because they

56:08

constantly delivered a level on both sides

56:10

the born and in the kicking game

56:12

that there was a many mistakes of

56:14

that repeatability comes with more experience I

56:16

said so I think he has to

56:18

make sure that boys are aware of

56:20

what's expect him what he wants us

56:22

to be clear from the start and

56:24

will be intriguing to see where where

56:26

they go now with the and on

56:28

the first game. Which. One

56:31

of Scotland and Wales was you more.

56:33

From. A French perspective. Have.

56:36

Higher Look is Ireland. Say

56:40

I and say let us know how the

56:42

early well you in any way shape of

56:44

a was on a lot I'm I'm I'm

56:46

sorry because I was actually just think it

56:48

of how much bullshit can the coaches say

56:50

Sometimes sunshine of line people up and wind

56:52

the players have a just reminded me kids

56:54

I'm not answer your question Opponent a sorcerer

56:56

is just reminded me of the a quarter

56:58

final in two thousand and sixteen preparation against

57:00

the All Blacks and that is the shit

57:02

comes up and he's telling this whole story

57:04

about how France will be. So proud and

57:06

every will cry at home because we're going

57:08

to be deal blasters. Look, I've found a

57:10

way to score a given try against them

57:12

as display of a scrum is like a

57:14

picks up. Back inside for the seven is

57:16

gonna score every time. Look there's a gap.

57:18

There's a gap. the following day we used

57:20

by sixty six points and he realizes that

57:23

actually the All Blacks had a yellow card

57:25

to the were missing a player in the

57:27

video analysis as I saw as it was

57:29

a gap. the horse I've. Same

57:32

as always. going to get that rise. This is the

57:34

was to do. For

57:36

us so of I was just thinking about

57:38

I didn't really think about your question but

57:40

at this sub division has resulted in stages

57:42

that he was a medical still suzuki had

57:44

to this weekend Then I put it was

57:46

what's the stock. Two

57:48

thousand and two lost on Scotland One of

57:50

the Prince policy Have you got what it

57:53

takes? That's. A that's

57:55

a rather has their it was I'm it was

57:57

Papas last commentary. I would have been here as

57:59

it was the. final farewell alongside Jiffy

58:01

actually. I played for the

58:04

under 21s in Caffilly or something the night

58:06

before we got an absolute

58:08

pumping. My brother played for Scotland students against

58:10

Wales students. I think they might have won.

58:12

And then we all stayed, as a family

58:14

we went down for the final commentary, stayed

58:16

at the Angel Hotel on the

58:19

corner there just opposite the Millennium Stadium as

58:21

it was then. Quiet night. Yeah, well, the

58:23

Friday was a relatively quiet night and then

58:25

the next day we walked out the

58:28

front door of the Angel Hotel. And

58:31

for those who don't know, it's probably one of

58:35

Tins of Seven Irons from the

58:38

Millennium Stadium. But it took Pap about 40

58:41

minutes to take on that

58:43

walk because there were tourist buses stopping. There

58:45

were people just wanting to shake his hand.

58:47

And then we went into the

58:49

stadium and beforehand the

58:52

cameras went in before the teams

58:54

came out. And then

58:57

the whole crowd, including the

59:00

Welsh men's voice choir, sung for He's a

59:02

Jolly Good Fellow. 80,000 people

59:04

in the Millennium Stadium, not a dry eye

59:06

in the house for that. And Scotland

59:09

won that game. And the

59:12

memories of that are significantly stronger

59:14

than any visit to Cardiff since

59:17

for a Six Nations match.

59:19

But I think I

59:21

was there at

59:24

Parky Scarlett's in

59:26

2020. And it

59:29

was awful. Empty Stadium. I was one of the

59:32

few broadcasters who were allowed in. And that

59:35

was Scotland's first win in Wales

59:37

since then. And then two years

59:39

ago went down with huge hopes.

59:41

And I can't, was that, does

59:43

Andagut sent off or anyway, Scotland

59:45

ended up getting pip 25, 23

59:48

or something like that. And it was another one just

59:50

that you, you thought if there was going to be

59:52

a chance, that was it. But yeah, I think Scotland

59:54

go down. I think I had a look at the

59:57

bookies there. They're one point favorites for

59:59

the game. Saturday, the final game

1:00:01

of round one. And I think that's probably

1:00:03

about right as, you know, Fox

1:00:05

will be able to tell you a heck of a lot more

1:00:07

about what it's like being in that stadium as a, as a

1:00:10

home player. But whatever

1:00:12

the experience, um, within

1:00:14

that squad, you know, youngsters

1:00:16

inexperienced or George North hundred

1:00:18

plus caps, you

1:00:21

feel like you're a giant, I assume in, in,

1:00:23

in that Welsh, that red Welsh Jersey, when

1:00:26

you run out at the principality stadium in

1:00:28

front of, you know, a packed house on

1:00:30

the opening weekend of the six nations. And

1:00:32

you know, it's a four 45 PM

1:00:34

kickoff. So I assume that 50% of the

1:00:37

Welsh crowd won't even remember what fucking happens

1:00:39

because it'll be absolutely steamboat from 11 AM.

1:00:41

Um, but whatever the case,

1:00:43

I think, I think Scotland, Scotland can overcome

1:00:45

that and create these pressure moments that

1:00:48

Foxy was talking about those moments whereby typically

1:00:50

you would have had, you know, Dan Vigar

1:00:53

or Alan wind Jones in the middle rallying

1:00:55

the troops focusing the minds, Ken Owens on

1:00:57

what the job needs to be done. All

1:00:59

of the experience in the world, there'll

1:01:02

be a few eyes looking around and whether it's,

1:01:04

you know, Daf Jenkins as the new captain or

1:01:06

somebody else within that squad, we'll wait and see

1:01:08

if it's Scotland. I've got to go down and

1:01:10

ask questions. I think, I think they're definitely capable

1:01:13

of winning it though. There is something special and

1:01:15

unique about that stadium as well. Trying to try

1:01:17

to win there. Now I've got beaten a lot

1:01:19

of stadiums around the world, but that was a

1:01:21

particularly difficult one to play in there. There's like,

1:01:24

no, I could never

1:01:26

get my breath in that stadium. Like it

1:01:28

was just, there was an atmosphere that was,

1:01:30

I think almost unique in world rugby. Um,

1:01:33

so that's what I'm blamed for never winning. No,

1:01:36

it is unbelievable. I think I

1:01:39

felt in, in the autumn, it

1:01:41

was more galvanizing for away teams to come

1:01:43

in. You know, at the end of the

1:01:45

year, you've got New Zealand, Australia, looking

1:01:48

forward to a beach game on holiday.

1:01:50

But then, you know, they're playing in Cardiff,

1:01:52

the roof's on dry ball. Conboys just have

1:01:54

a, a chucker ball around. We've got a

1:01:56

great night out in Cardiff come in. We're

1:01:58

then. You go

1:02:01

up to Murrayfield and it's raining and

1:02:03

it's almost like the roof leveled it off of it and

1:02:05

it allowed boys to come and play. But

1:02:11

no, the stadium is incredible. I think

1:02:13

because it's quite steep and narrow on

1:02:15

top of you. I

1:02:18

think hopefully, it

1:02:20

is a sellout, but hopefully the crowd can get behind the

1:02:22

boys and that will galvanize them and that inexperience

1:02:25

will just... When you play

1:02:27

there once or twice, you just want to keep doing it. The

1:02:31

lucky that the coaching staff will make sure

1:02:33

they're prepared for that big game

1:02:35

atmosphere and I'm

1:02:38

sure they'll relish the opportunity to play in

1:02:40

the principality. It's funny because

1:02:42

we went there last year and

1:02:44

it was the first year going to watch

1:02:48

England play Wales and

1:02:51

the atmosphere be dead. Because I

1:02:53

think it's the first time I've

1:02:55

been in where you get

1:02:57

to the point where the Welsh fans didn't

1:02:59

actually believe. And that's

1:03:01

got to be the thing, they have to believe

1:03:03

in this team because that is when it becomes...

1:03:06

I was there in 2013, as

1:03:09

we lost that Grand Slam game

1:03:11

and I was sat in the

1:03:13

stand and I had seven Welsh

1:03:15

flags just laying over my head as

1:03:18

people walked out the stadium. Later

1:03:20

rest. Later rest. And I've been in there

1:03:22

where we've been ahead at half time and

1:03:24

it's silent and then the momentum shift, I

1:03:26

can't remember what year it was, and they

1:03:28

came back and won. And you could feel

1:03:31

when the crowd get into it, it becomes

1:03:33

a whole different beast to play in. It

1:03:36

is an incredible stadium. I do always say

1:03:38

it's the best stadium in the world that

1:03:40

I've ever played in, especially a Friday night

1:03:43

international. As Rory said,

1:03:45

no one can speak. They've been on it all

1:03:47

day. But you

1:03:49

can't hear the guy who's next

1:03:52

to you, you can't hear the calls, it's just

1:03:54

a cauldron. I

1:03:57

think I do fancy Scotland

1:03:59

to take that. It's

1:04:01

such fine margins because of their

1:04:03

poor record there. Who is going

1:04:05

to be the star for Wales? Because if you look at the others,

1:04:08

there are poster boys. There's Marcus Smith, obviously noted Paul

1:04:10

this year, but plenty of others in front. Who's Ireland's

1:04:12

poster boy right now out of interest? No

1:04:15

Sexton. James Lowell. James Lowell. James

1:04:17

Lowell. There's a few of them. Gary

1:04:19

Ringrose. Yeah. Finn, obviously. Who is

1:04:21

going to be the name up in lights for

1:04:24

Wales? You're widening your eyes. I mean, is

1:04:26

that something the Wales need? Is that something

1:04:28

the Wales public needs? Because obviously,

1:04:30

Lewis Rees-Sammatt, heading to the States, has robbed you

1:04:32

of probably the most obvious. Yeah, I think he

1:04:34

was probably the obvious one. But

1:04:38

I think, you know, Sam

1:04:40

Costlow is one. You know, he's

1:04:42

still extremely young, but he's

1:04:45

had the opportunity to have campaigns

1:04:47

and, you know, work with Dan

1:04:49

Bigger, work with Gareth Anscombe and

1:04:51

gain that knowledge by

1:04:54

being around them. I think, you

1:04:56

know, I'm lucky enough to

1:04:58

play with him at the Scarlet. I think he's a great

1:05:00

talent. And if we start him, yeah, you

1:05:02

just just get him in there. And

1:05:04

you know, because he he's played

1:05:06

in big games. He came, you know, he's involved quite a

1:05:09

bit in the World Cup. And I think, you know, if

1:05:11

we can get plays around him, you know, as long as

1:05:13

we're not, you know, you know, a

1:05:15

width in our attack isn't too wide. If we got

1:05:18

plays around, he can pick teams off. And I think,

1:05:20

you know, I've seen him growing

1:05:22

stature. You know, he's not the biggest, but

1:05:24

like his confidence, he's fearless. And even

1:05:26

a great team man. I

1:05:28

think we got to be looking at him to just really,

1:05:31

you know, grab the bull by the horns and just

1:05:33

make it his team. I think if he gives that

1:05:35

effort to say, right, this is my show, then

1:05:38

the boys will get around him. Just say theoretically,

1:05:40

you are coaching an opposition team. How would you

1:05:42

get after him? Oh,

1:05:47

I would. I don't know. I just stand off

1:05:49

and just allow him time to run with you.

1:05:51

You know, don't

1:05:53

charge down any of his kick games. You know,

1:05:56

it's just like that easy enough. It

1:05:58

does feel like a tournament of 10. And

1:06:00

obviously, having Farrell heading overseas means that potentially, Marcus

1:06:02

Smith is going to be giving the keys to

1:06:04

the English. I'm going

1:06:06

to ask a question, which I think you'll probably disagree with.

1:06:08

But is Finn, at the moment,

1:06:11

the biggest star in the Northern Hemisphere because of

1:06:13

how much he gives off the

1:06:15

pitch? Do you want to clamber in on that? I mean, DePaul

1:06:17

has probably got the X factor, but how

1:06:19

much does he give in... Oh, I suppose actually... Ah, no,

1:06:21

Finn on the pitch. It's all on the pitch, no? No.

1:06:24

Well, there's quite a lot off the pitch as well. I

1:06:26

mean, you talk... You know, he's comparing himself to Messi in

1:06:28

the Netflix documentary. I mean, I wouldn't

1:06:30

say he's lacking in confidence, but DePaul wore the

1:06:32

yellow dressing gown on the front cover of GQ.

1:06:35

I mean, it feels like we have got a

1:06:37

new generation of people who are willing to step

1:06:39

into the light coming through. I've asked

1:06:41

the question. You can all dispatch it as you like.

1:06:43

But I think the reason he can... I think if

1:06:45

you speak off the field and you can't deliver on

1:06:47

the scene, you end up looking silly. He can. All

1:06:50

right, he makes mistakes. He, you know, he throws the

1:06:52

risky ball. But generally, over the last few years, he's

1:06:54

just been so much fun to

1:06:56

watch. That's what he is like. No matter

1:06:58

what team you support, everyone's

1:07:00

kind of a Finn Russell fan, aren't they? And even

1:07:02

when there was reservations a few

1:07:04

years ago about him, they're almost gone. After what he

1:07:07

did on the Lions, and then since then, you think,

1:07:09

Christ, I just want to see him try something every

1:07:11

time he gets the ball, because he does. Yeah. Alex,

1:07:13

it's bums on seats. You know, I think

1:07:16

what the game needs is people

1:07:18

who go and express themselves on field and get

1:07:20

the opportunity off field. I think rugby is the

1:07:23

best team sport in the world, in my

1:07:25

opinion. But one of the things that's held

1:07:27

it back is that you've not been allowed

1:07:29

the big personalities off field to be able

1:07:31

to grow the game and give the insights

1:07:33

into it. I think that's what the Netflix

1:07:35

docs trying to do, is give us some

1:07:37

insights. Now, we're still just getting surface level.

1:07:39

But hopefully, this is just a springboard, because

1:07:42

we need big personalities to be able to

1:07:44

speak out and give a bit of themselves

1:07:46

away without being exposed. Not

1:07:48

all big personalities. Yeah. Some

1:07:51

of them are very happy backstage. Yeah.

1:07:53

Some of them, to think about getting

1:07:55

this, the

1:07:57

stuff that you boys have done with Jonny May, as

1:08:00

a current player, albeit he wouldn't be

1:08:02

allowed to do that probably as an England

1:08:04

international. He can only do it that he's

1:08:07

no longer an England international. He's hung his

1:08:09

international boots up. But how can

1:08:11

we get insights into that? Hearing

1:08:14

Kyle Sinclair's story, Ellis Gensch, bits

1:08:16

in there for Scotland, being able

1:08:19

to get Finn Russell, Darcy Graham's

1:08:21

background and challenges, I think

1:08:24

being able to get those insights

1:08:26

is going to grow the game that we need to

1:08:28

be able to get bums on seats. And you know,

1:08:30

Finn is box office. He's

1:08:32

the reason that most people go

1:08:34

and watch rugby at Murrayfield.

1:08:37

And now you've got a young

1:08:39

group of kids that are playing the

1:08:41

game that are looking at Finn and thinking, I

1:08:43

want to be able to do that. Not necessarily

1:08:45

Carlos Spencer, as it was when I, when I

1:08:47

was growing up and I ended

1:08:49

up playing Hogs You

1:08:57

can never also underestimate when someone who's playing at

1:08:59

that level of rugby and looks like

1:09:11

a bag of shit. Tiny

1:09:15

spindly arms, bit of a

1:09:17

fat belly, doesn't look like

1:09:19

an athlete in any way.

1:09:22

The inspiration that gives everyone.

1:09:24

There are people who are playing Sunday football

1:09:30

grassroots rugby and go, fuck you know, I could still

1:09:32

make this. And he doesn't even speak

1:09:35

English to me. He speaks too

1:09:38

fast to anyone could understand. But

1:09:40

look, he is unbelievable. The way he

1:09:43

opens up, the way he's just himself,

1:09:45

I think the ability now

1:09:47

that everyone thinks that everything's got to be

1:09:49

dead serious when you play on the pitch

1:09:52

and he can always do it with a smile on

1:09:54

the wing, his way of getting over mistakes and not

1:09:56

letting that affect him. And you know, you look

1:09:58

at someone like Faz who's just missing. all

1:10:00

the time. He's

1:10:02

northern, we understand it, we get it. It's

1:10:05

tough up there. Set from

1:10:07

the bright lights to the wet weather. You're doing a proper

1:10:10

job. I just married

1:10:12

smart. Those

1:10:16

days are dead to me. North? North. I

1:10:21

think that is what

1:10:23

you need to get the diversity

1:10:25

of the game and to understand

1:10:28

that he admits that he

1:10:30

was more from a football staff, but then he

1:10:32

just loved and he realized he

1:10:34

wasn't messy and then he had to play

1:10:36

a different sport and I think that's what

1:10:38

you need. Talking about the players that you

1:10:40

mentioned, Andrew Porter in the documentary

1:10:43

is outstanding. Everything he went through to

1:10:45

understand then the emotional connections you have

1:10:47

with your family and

1:10:50

then the country and what it all reminds you

1:10:52

of. I think that is the biggest thing

1:10:54

we have to unlock with rugby is the

1:10:56

characters behind it because I say

1:10:59

all the time it takes a very special human

1:11:01

being to cross those white lines and some

1:11:03

of them are a bit more special than

1:11:06

others. Some

1:11:09

work experience kid in a bag. We're

1:11:12

doing that classic language barrier thing of sort of

1:11:14

celebrating, but obviously no de pore, no intermach as

1:11:16

well who would probably be able to certainly got

1:11:18

the hair to be box office. Who steps in

1:11:20

now? I think it was brilliant in

1:11:23

the Netflix talk. Well you mentioned

1:11:25

Damien Pounot. Damien Pounot is the

1:11:28

French Johnny May. He is completely

1:11:30

cuckoo. He is a headless

1:11:32

chicken that just runs around the pitch. He

1:11:34

doesn't care about anything. I always

1:11:37

told you the story that you always think in the

1:11:39

team you got to be serious, you got to be

1:11:41

dedicated, you've got to be

1:11:43

focused on your craft and I was part

1:11:45

of a Clermont side who went

1:11:47

through tons of different finals and

1:11:49

never won any. In 2017 he's an 18

1:11:53

year old son of Alain Pounot who is 30 caps

1:11:55

for France and played 5.5 Pounot comes with

1:11:57

a little bit of reputation. You got to step up and and

1:12:00

do well. And Orena Ruggier, I mean, has

1:12:02

got scars on his hands by whacking him behind the head

1:12:04

because he was fed up with this little guy who had

1:12:06

a big mouth, didn't listen to anything,

1:12:08

just running around the pitch and

1:12:10

not the most technical player ever.

1:12:12

In 2017, we played Toulon

1:12:15

the final, and after 10 minutes of a

1:12:17

really excruciating long defense set, we finally ripped

1:12:19

the ball out. And I'm on the floor,

1:12:21

and I'm vice captain of the team, and

1:12:23

they've got to listen to me, right? And

1:12:25

I'm screaming at me, kick the fucking ball

1:12:27

out! Just kick it out, kick it out, because we want

1:12:29

to breathe. And he catches the ball, and he steps

1:12:31

one guy, and then he just keeps on running. He

1:12:34

steps a second, and he runs for

1:12:36

50 meters, two on one, with the winger, scores a

1:12:38

70-meter try for us. We win the game by one

1:12:40

point. Basically, if he listens to me, we would have

1:12:42

never won. So the idea is, let

1:12:48

those guys be chill, be free, be

1:12:50

relaxed, and he's going to inspire the

1:12:52

Louis Bielbier, the other winger, his teammate

1:12:54

at Bordeaux now, who is just barely

1:12:56

scratching the surface of how good he can be and

1:12:58

what he can show at international level. Yes,

1:13:01

you'll have Guy Lefoucou, who's a fantastic guy. I don't know how long

1:13:03

he's going to play at that level, because

1:13:05

he's hitting 30, I

1:13:07

think he's 29, and in the backs, they get

1:13:09

all the quicker, unless you're a big

1:13:11

old tank. So no, but

1:13:13

there is a huge, almost

1:13:16

a responsibility for this next big documentary to

1:13:18

show that those guys can be themselves, can

1:13:20

be loved, because we were here there at

1:13:22

the premiere, and it was nothing about Feneration,

1:13:25

it was 100% about Genji, because he got

1:13:27

everybody laughing, because he was genuine, he was

1:13:30

playing the big angry bear, but whilst being

1:13:32

nice and loving rugby, and that's what we

1:13:34

want to see. So more

1:13:36

characters, more real personalities,

1:13:39

the better. And in France,

1:13:41

it's going to be Damien Pénot, check out Gregor

1:13:43

Ialdarit, who's a really funny

1:13:45

character, and a really clever guy, Bloke, and

1:13:48

hopefully others will rise and you'll get to know him. We

1:13:51

went to the Netflix talk, actually, and I had

1:13:53

a very quick chat with Seb Negri, who again is

1:13:56

another who comes across really well, extraordinary story, but one

1:13:58

of the really interesting things he said is expectedly

1:14:01

to go up several gears this year.

1:14:04

I think, did you play with under

1:14:06

Gonzalo Cassada, the Italian coach, Kieran Crowley

1:14:08

out with Cassada? You played with Adstad

1:14:10

in Stadt 2004-2005, it was his last

1:14:13

season, it was my first and

1:14:16

I just remember long hair, Argentinian,

1:14:18

really a pretty boy, lovely, lovely

1:14:22

team-mates, fantastic off

1:14:24

the team, incredibly precise,

1:14:28

did not really like tackling, we pretty much

1:14:30

doing two-handed touch everyone all the time and

1:14:33

had a big mouth about him and Fabian

1:14:35

Galtier was the coach, it was his first

1:14:37

season and he adored to be challenged, especially

1:14:39

in front of everyone and when David

1:14:42

Crela was starting at 10 and Gonzalo Cassada was

1:14:44

on the bench most of the time and he

1:14:46

started getting a little bit pissed off and then

1:14:48

prepared a little strategy for

1:14:51

a game and then presented in front of everyone,

1:14:53

he got a few claps and stuff and that

1:14:55

was the last game he ever played for Stadt.

1:14:57

Wow, they hate each other, so yeah fantastic team-mate,

1:14:59

bit set of balls on him to stand up

1:15:02

to Fabian Galtier and then he went through the

1:15:04

ranks of the French team, he was skills coach,

1:15:07

you know the 2011 crazy World Cup in New Zealand

1:15:09

where we should have been knocked out, ended up in

1:15:11

the final, should have won it.

1:15:13

He lost to Sondga, ended up losing the final by

1:15:16

one point with zero penalties from minute 55 or something

1:15:18

like that, home side and he was

1:15:23

skills coach, really very active in terms

1:15:25

of the building of the strategy. Went

1:15:28

to Stadt-Français, won the title out of nowhere in

1:15:30

2015 with the average team that he managed to

1:15:32

take to a different level, so I think he

1:15:34

will do tremendously well for Italy, speaks

1:15:37

fluent, he's Argentinian but speaks fluent to

1:15:39

Italy, Italian by now very

1:15:41

quickly and he will bring

1:15:44

that belief, he will take them to a different level,

1:15:46

he will build on not the last World Cup which

1:15:48

was pretty crappy for Italy but on the last six

1:15:50

nations absolutely and then he's the man

1:15:52

for the job. They bloody nearly beat France in round

1:15:55

one last year as well, so England beware. You've

1:15:58

got training in the morning, you've got a... train

1:16:00

that is waiting for you. So before you go...

1:16:02

Yeah. It's waiting for you. I'd rush out

1:16:04

on the stairs, yeah, to be honest. Wrap

1:16:07

it up in June, and you can do this far more

1:16:09

often. Yeah, exactly. Who wins the Six

1:16:11

Nations, and who are you most looking forward to

1:16:14

watching? Pick us a star. I know you've touched on Sam

1:16:16

Costo. It doesn't have to be from Wales, but who are

1:16:18

you most excited about, and who wins? I

1:16:20

think France will win, and I

1:16:23

really like the look of Oscar beer. I hope he's good. Oh,

1:16:27

my God. I've got to shoot, man. Ladies and gentlemen, please

1:16:29

give a massive applause for the great John Foxe. Ron,

1:16:31

we'll see you soon. Good

1:16:35

luck for the rest of the season. A cheer for

1:16:37

John Foxe, ladies and gentlemen. And

1:16:43

back comes the village idiot. Right,

1:16:46

I'm going to keep you updated a little. Hello? Hello.

1:16:49

Just to explain, Oscar beer is actually injured, so he

1:16:51

knows sparkle. So can't

1:16:53

even use that. And that is

1:16:56

the benefit of sitting next to our producer, ladies

1:16:58

and gentlemen, because no fucking chance you knew that.

1:17:00

Hello, my name is Jonathan Foxe Davis. I absolutely

1:17:02

love playing rugby. I

1:17:04

think France will win, and I'm most

1:17:06

excited about... Marcus

1:17:08

Sane. Marcus Smith. There

1:17:11

we are. See you later, Foxy. See you later.

1:17:13

Very good to go. Nigel Owens here as well. Yellow card.

1:17:15

See you later. Oh,

1:17:19

I wish James Haskell's here to take over. Don't worry,

1:17:21

ladies and gentlemen. I'm back! Excellent.

1:17:24

Nice, boring rugby nonsense. I

1:17:27

completed Sudoku, though. It was great. I

1:17:31

was on Tinder. Like, like, like, like. Actually,

1:17:34

I downloaded the wrong thing. I was in Grindr. I was fucking flat

1:17:36

out. You

1:17:40

know, when you drive a car and you've got your foot on the

1:17:42

accelerator and the brake at the same time, that is what

1:17:44

it's like trying to present a show with

1:17:46

this clown. Right,

1:17:48

just give everyone else a second. Yeah, go on. What

1:17:55

were you saying earlier about...? You'll

1:17:58

be calling me Papa, by the end of the day. Give me

1:18:00

nightmares, innit? Oh, well, I don't know, Caro, sorry. That's enough about

1:18:02

me. Anyway, who's going to win the 6 days? Get yourselves

1:18:04

under control. Just

1:18:06

stop laughing. Yes, as we go back to... Rory,

1:18:08

who's going to win and who you most looking

1:18:11

forward... Rory, who's going to win and

1:18:14

who you most looking forward to seeing? I think, I think, I think, Frans come

1:18:16

into his favourites. I

1:18:18

think getting, I think if they can get by Ireland, they can get to the

1:18:20

same level. I think, I think, I

1:18:22

think, I think, I think, I think, I think,

1:18:24

I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I

1:18:26

think, I think, I think if they can get by Ireland

1:18:28

in the opening round,

1:18:31

they've got such quality, such

1:18:33

depth. The headlines, Dupont and Antomac

1:18:36

not playing Jelonch out with his ACL, but

1:18:38

they've got so much

1:18:40

depth in that country, in that

1:18:43

competition, Fabian Galté, brilliant coach. I

1:18:45

think, I think they've got all of

1:18:47

the artillery to be able to do it. I think,

1:18:50

I think they'll be challenged throughout and I tend to agree

1:18:52

with Foxy. I'm pointing to my

1:18:54

left because Foxy was sat there and now

1:18:56

he'll be like, There's not much I'm going

1:18:58

to agree with Has gone. But

1:19:02

I'm not sure it's going to be a Grand Slam. So

1:19:04

I think Frans will win it, but I'm

1:19:06

not sure they'll go five games on

1:19:08

Beeson. Chunks out of the French. Shane. I

1:19:11

thought beforehand Ireland would win, but you've made

1:19:13

such a compelling case for Frans. I

1:19:16

think Frans might get beaten. I

1:19:18

think they'll win the game against Ireland. But

1:19:21

I think they may, they may lose another game through the

1:19:23

tournament. Now, whether that's enough for Ireland to get over them,

1:19:26

I'm not sure. But yeah, I'm

1:19:28

going to stick with Ireland and then player

1:19:30

wise, Hakapuzzo

1:19:33

from Italy. If we're talking about Italy, I love watching

1:19:35

them. I don't know if I

1:19:37

pronounced his name correctly, but I love watching them. Every time

1:19:39

he's one of those players like Finn, that anytime he gets

1:19:41

a touch of the ball, you

1:19:44

know, he's super exciting. So him

1:19:46

and our friend, Panno

1:19:49

as well. I actually miss my player. You

1:19:51

did. But talking

1:19:53

about the talent in the top

1:19:55

14, I'm going to choose Blair

1:19:57

Kinghorn, who's moved from

1:19:59

Edinburgh. to lose is

1:20:01

tearing up trees in the top

1:20:03

14. I think he's had to

1:20:05

sit in the shadows of Hoggie

1:20:07

for such a long time. But

1:20:09

I see him grabbing headlines. He's

1:20:11

like Hoggie. And

1:20:14

Hask. That's a hell of a shadow.

1:20:17

Hoggie's the only one keeping Hask out the papers

1:20:19

every day. Him and Cipriani doing me a favour

1:20:21

every day. So I reckon

1:20:23

hit my name. And

1:20:28

actually Rory Darge. I'm not sure he'll

1:20:30

be fit for the opener. He's been named

1:20:32

co-captain alongside Finn Russell. He's had a tough

1:20:34

few breaks with injuries, but young

1:20:36

back rower, incredibly combative,

1:20:39

like proper, proper star

1:20:42

from the time that I live in North Berwick. And

1:20:44

he's been given this co-captain say, I think

1:20:46

he's only 22, 23, but my God, he is really

1:20:51

capable. Both sides of the ball,

1:20:53

absolute nuisance. So I think he'll

1:20:55

break through even if he misses that opening game.

1:20:58

By the way, can we get a bit of appreciation

1:21:00

for the editors of this show? They've

1:21:04

got a love night ahead. Have we released on

1:21:06

Thursday? Who's

1:21:08

going to win Wales Q, uproarious laughter? It's

1:21:10

a very difficult show to piece together. Come

1:21:13

back to you. Hask is sort of fermenting to

1:21:15

get in again. But who wins and who are

1:21:18

you most invoiced with? We spent the last two

1:21:20

years saying who was going to win this, win

1:21:22

that, and in the end we both got it

1:21:24

wrong. So I'm just looking not to be... Part

1:21:27

of fun. No, I agree with

1:21:29

Rory. I think France, hopefully

1:21:32

that's what I'm hoping, will get through most

1:21:34

games whilst maybe having a slip

1:21:36

up as long as it's not the last one. I'm

1:21:38

fine with it. But they have

1:21:40

to be careful because it's going to be tricky. I

1:21:42

think Antoine DuPont's presence or absence will

1:21:45

be felt because he is

1:21:47

the talisman. It's really handy to

1:21:49

have such a quality player next to you. When you don't

1:21:51

know what to do, shift the ball to him and something's

1:21:53

going to happen. So it's not going

1:21:55

to be an easy cruise. There

1:21:57

are a couple of injuries here and there, but I

1:21:59

hope France... just by pure

1:22:02

anger against Ireland opening game to

1:22:05

get rid of the ghosts. And

1:22:08

then probably imposing their

1:22:10

power when they need to go away

1:22:12

to Scotland or home against Italy, then

1:22:16

they're gonna have to back it up and to

1:22:18

go to principality against, you just don't know what's,

1:22:20

fuck me, you just don't know what they're going

1:22:22

to be in four or five weeks, what they

1:22:24

can turn around and who they will be. It's

1:22:27

a long competition. You feel like guys age

1:22:29

10 years in four weeks, just because they

1:22:31

start from something, you barely mention their name

1:22:33

and six weeks later, you're like, shit, they

1:22:36

are absolutely outstanding players who look experienced, so

1:22:38

we'll see, and we'll finish by a beautiful

1:22:40

game against England and Lyon to create history.

1:22:42

So France will make it. I

1:22:44

hope they're not gonna slip up, but I think they

1:22:47

should be the winners this year, at

1:22:49

least that's what I'm thoroughly hoping. And

1:22:51

the players that I'm looking forward to is the

1:22:54

animal, Pozolo Tuilagee. You probably see him off the

1:22:56

bench 10 minutes here and there, but I mean,

1:22:58

have a look on YouTube, he is killing people,

1:23:00

wiping the floor with something. He's 19. So

1:23:03

I don't even know what he can do on

1:23:06

the international stage, but I mean, if

1:23:08

he catches somebody, he kills them. So

1:23:10

it's, he will be- You've got a

1:23:12

few Tuilagees that do that, too, there. Yeah,

1:23:15

him for you. No one has said

1:23:17

anything England, which is interesting given that we're in

1:23:20

the heart of London. Is there any hope for

1:23:22

those in white or is this another rebuilding year?

1:23:24

Look, I think, I think that

1:23:26

if you go back to, well, I'm

1:23:28

obviously sending, we're gonna clip up Shane

1:23:30

and send it to Borthas to play

1:23:32

in the changing room beforehand. And the

1:23:34

fact that they're coming third was unbeaten

1:23:37

Ireland once again, who lost in a quarterfinal. And

1:23:41

the fact that they failed miserably within

1:23:43

that, we'll

1:23:45

play that to them and we'll get

1:23:47

that with their own motivation. But I

1:23:50

think I like the squad. Now

1:23:52

he's gotta let them go play. Who left

1:23:54

the trophy? Not England. Look,

1:23:58

I think he's very hard. to take

1:24:00

it away from France, three home games. Obviously

1:24:03

they've got to go to Scotland. So if they beat Ireland

1:24:05

and then they can get that Scotland game, I think it's

1:24:07

very hard to take it away from France. England

1:24:11

go to Lyon. Clearly

1:24:15

he hates the fact that England might beat

1:24:17

them in Lyon, so I'm going to obviously

1:24:20

root for England. But I

1:24:22

think France are hard to beat. I

1:24:24

think there's loads of good players to watch out

1:24:26

there. It's easy. The backs always get all the,

1:24:29

everyone always picks a back. Obviously you didn't because you were

1:24:31

forward and you don't know anything else. I

1:24:34

think Malvacker for, obviously

1:24:36

he's going to be arguing with Marchand,

1:24:38

whether he plays. But yeah, there's

1:24:41

Ben Earl. I think Ben Earl was unbelievable for

1:24:43

England at the World Cup. So I look forward

1:24:45

to seeing him. I look, obviously we're going to

1:24:47

have someone new on the wing, whether

1:24:49

it be Frei or whether it be- Emmanuel Frei

1:24:52

were both so. Tommy Freeman. Or Tommy Freeman or

1:24:54

Meur. Yeah, well Meur. We're going to have someone

1:24:56

out there. And I think we

1:24:58

need, we need England, we

1:25:00

need someone to create a spark for us and

1:25:02

hopefully it can come from one of those wingers.

1:25:06

The greatest irony is that whenever we do predictions

1:25:08

games, Tim studies the game. I like to think

1:25:10

I know a bit about the game. Has just

1:25:12

does random accumulators and ends up winning by a

1:25:14

head, which is always incredibly frustrating. So go on.

1:25:17

Six Nations is A.G. Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Italy

1:25:19

and France. I didn't know Six Nations was

1:25:21

on until today. We got here to this

1:25:24

show. So I still can't get Steve Borthwick

1:25:26

naked in the nudist speech in Morecambe out

1:25:28

of my head. I,

1:25:30

oh God, rugby, I bloody

1:25:32

love it. Where

1:25:35

to begin with all the details. Well,

1:25:38

you think midway through Tim's answer, he

1:25:41

turned to me and said, you've got a bit of

1:25:43

a time. Yeah. So

1:25:45

that's where his head went. Yeah, no. Oh

1:25:47

God, I fucking love it. All the running and the

1:25:50

passing and stuff. I think

1:25:52

France is going to win because

1:25:55

they're good and I like the blue shirts they wear.

1:26:00

Right, player to watch. Mmm. Purno.

1:26:04

I heard that name a lot, so he must be good. And

1:26:08

to a lager, yeah. 19,

1:26:11

massive, apparently. Gonna do

1:26:13

10 minutes off the bench here and there. Heard it from

1:26:15

a close source, close to the team. And

1:26:18

on that bombshell, we could do this for

1:26:20

so much longer, but unfortunately, it has gone

1:26:22

upon me in a bookshop around the corner.

1:26:24

So he wants to find out what

1:26:26

the booze are around the corner. We will leave it at

1:26:29

that. Can I just finish by saying thank you so much

1:26:31

to each and every one of you for coming to us.

1:26:35

It's been a lot of fun being the good, the bad,

1:26:37

and the rugby live with our good friends at Continental Tires

1:26:39

in front of a live studio audience. And hopefully we'll do

1:26:41

this again before too long. Enjoy the rest

1:26:43

of our evenings. Enjoy all that's to come over the

1:26:45

course in six nights. Mr. Kenny Fenceby, for the Royal

1:26:47

Court. Don't pass the moving orders to say a word of it. We're

1:26:50

going to maintain the mark of a John Cox

1:26:52

Davis. Have a great rest of your week. Enjoy

1:26:54

the rugby. Good luck to the editors. It's Tom

1:26:57

Edwards. I will see you again very soon. Well

1:26:59

done, Mahath. Good night ladies and gentlemen. Thank you

1:27:01

very much indeed. You've

1:27:06

been listening to The Good, The

1:27:08

Bad, and The

1:27:11

Rugby with Alex Payne, James

1:27:13

Haskell, and Mike Tyndall. Thanks

1:27:16

for listening. That

1:27:23

was pleasant. We'll see you in the analysis room in

1:27:25

ten minutes. Oh God. If

1:27:30

that makes the show, we are

1:27:32

all fucked.