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they ever start and

3:29

end? Or are they just really a

3:31

constant? I believe they do. I

3:34

honestly believe they do. I don't know

3:36

how long. I believe it's longer than us. They

3:38

live. But

3:42

yeah, I believe that they do die.

3:45

There's a cycle of life there. They

3:48

have families just like us. They have kids. There's

3:50

grandparents. There's, you know, I've

3:54

done some research on that. But yeah,

3:56

I do believe they die

3:59

without it out. Let's continue

4:01

on and and I want to go back to something

4:03

you had mentioned earlier And I'd like

4:05

to learn more about it from your perspective You

4:08

had said that spirits you feel

4:11

have about three days to

4:13

go into the light as

4:16

one would call it Where where

4:18

does that come from tell me how how you

4:20

understand that and where you came to that conclusion?

4:24

How I understand it is when you

4:27

die there's You know,

4:29

I and I've read a lot of your death

4:31

experience They go through a tunnel of swords and

4:33

they come to the site and from that

4:35

light they can see their friends

4:38

and their relatives waiting for them and It's

4:41

their choice whether they go some people don't go

4:43

off so because they're afraid of judgment. They're afraid

4:46

they're gonna go to hell So

4:48

they won't go through the light But

4:51

yeah, the friends and relatives that they're waiting

4:53

for them their angels in there to guide

4:55

them. I believe There's

4:58

an Archangel called Aziriel and

5:01

he's the Archangel of death and he's he's

5:03

a good one No, he's not like the Grim Reaper,

5:06

but he's a good one. He aids the grieving and

5:08

he aids the deceased person

5:10

spirit and helps cross them over. So

5:12

he's also waiting for them, I believe

5:17

When someone passes, I mean it's a

5:19

nice thought of loved ones

5:21

waiting there for you But that's certainly not

5:23

the case with with everyone out there because

5:26

of the hands that they're dealt in the

5:28

life that they live Not everyone has a

5:30

family waiting for them on

5:32

the other side. So What

5:35

happens then if one dies and they

5:37

go to the light and there is

5:39

really there's no friends or family waiting

5:41

Who's waiting? Is it just the the

5:43

angels? Okay, I believe

5:46

the angels, you know, possibly Jesus.

5:48

I don't know it's like it's all speculation Of

5:51

course. Yeah, but that's what I believe.

5:53

Yeah No,

5:55

and then and all of this is

5:58

complete conjecture and opinion, but that's That's

6:00

why I ask the questions. I'm not asking

6:02

to tell me, here's what the facts are

6:04

completely. It's just, let's hear your opinion. Let's

6:06

hear what you believe based on ... It's

6:08

all gray areas, definitely. It's all based on

6:10

everybody's experiences. The more we can all individually

6:12

share our experiences, the more we can learn.

6:15

Exactly. So the idea

6:18

of helping a spirit cross over ...

6:21

So essentially, what I'm understanding is they

6:24

got the three days. They can go

6:26

up to the gate. They can say,

6:29

okay, I'm ready to go over. I feel good enough

6:31

to do it. Or they can stop and say, I

6:34

think I want to go back because I'm not too sure.

6:37

So they go back. Exactly. Is

6:39

that where you get an earth-bound spirit? Exactly.

6:42

That's where you get the earth-bound spirit.

6:45

And they're basically ... Time

6:47

is so different where they're at. It's almost like

6:49

there is no time. So they can be there

6:51

for hundreds of years and not realize it. But

6:54

yeah, they're just left to wonder the earth.

6:56

And that's where I get a lot of

6:58

my calls. And

7:01

that's where I do a lot. I do all

7:03

my own cleanses. I develop them, make them up

7:07

with herbs and essential oils and holy water.

7:10

And I do the crossing over ceremony. I

7:12

invite any spirit. It's within my voice to

7:15

come over. And

7:18

I call them angels, archangels. I

7:20

call in Jesus, God and Mary, and then ask them

7:22

to open the portal of light for them. And

7:26

then after a certain time, I ask them to close

7:28

it. So it

7:30

... I believe it's there. I

7:32

envision the light. I can see it. Why

7:35

is it that ... Because

7:38

it seems just ... It's

7:41

very fantastical of an idea that

7:45

it takes the living to

7:48

open up a portal. One

7:50

would almost assume that someone on the

7:52

other side would have much more availability

7:54

to do something on that

7:56

side than we would from this side. So

7:58

why is it ... Do you believe

8:00

that they need us at a certain

8:03

point to intervene and help be that

8:05

conduit for them to take those steps?

8:09

Yeah, I don't believe they can do it.

8:11

Once they make that choice, they're considered

8:13

lower level entities and they just

8:16

can't create that light. I mean,

8:18

I use what they call spirit box. Joyce

8:21

Brown makes some of it. He's just awesome at it. Anyways,

8:23

when I listen to

8:25

it, you hear a lot of help

8:28

news come through and I'll ask

8:31

them, do you want to cross over?

8:35

A lot of spirits will say yes.

8:39

They're stuck there. They don't know how to get to

8:41

the light. They don't know how to create it. What

8:46

do they do? Once they

8:48

realize after those three days have passed and they

8:51

might have missed that window, is

8:54

that where they're just kind of left

8:56

to their own devices and they're this

8:58

lower level entity that roams? Pretty

9:00

much. Some do evil. They're

9:04

not demonic, but they're considered evil spirits.

9:06

Like I say, if you die with

9:08

the... If

9:10

you're an evil person, you're going to be an evil

9:13

person once you die too, unless you change it. So

9:16

there's a lot of them with

9:19

anger. They have a vendetta to

9:22

get out to do. Some of them

9:24

just want to get a message across before they

9:26

go. I don't know. There's

9:29

a lot of reasons that they're there, but yeah,

9:31

they just wander around basically.

9:37

Are there ever situations where

9:40

they never find a person to

9:43

help them cross over and they

9:46

continue to wander? Is

9:48

there ever a time

9:50

where their energy depletes

9:52

itself as a lower level entity

9:55

and essentially they cease to exist in

9:57

some way, shape, or form? Or is

10:00

it an eternal thing where they're

10:02

just going to keep going about forever,

10:04

however long it is? I

10:07

believe it's an eternal thing. They're

10:10

just left to wonder forever unless someone comes up

10:12

and helps them. It's

10:15

sad too. I mean, I can't

10:17

imagine, you know, living

10:21

that kind of life, quite

10:23

frankly. Yeah,

10:25

try and convince them. They're kind of like therapists trying

10:27

to convince them that there's a more beautiful world

10:30

waiting for them, that this isn't their world.

10:33

And all they have to do is trust over to

10:35

the light. But yeah, they're left in

10:37

their own, you know, whatever

10:40

they want to do. I mean, I've got a

10:42

client that, believe it

10:44

or not, she's got sex ghosts there. And

10:48

that's what they did. She invited them

10:50

in. First

10:53

it was two. And

10:56

by the time I got there, there was eight. And

10:58

she asked me, quite honestly,

11:01

I want to keep one and two, but I

11:03

want to get rid of the other six. I

11:06

said, you can't do that. You got

11:08

to be ready to get rid of all of them. So she wasn't

11:10

ready at that point to get rid of all of them. The last

11:12

time I talked to her, because

11:14

she brought them in, I

11:17

believe she's got to get them out. I

11:19

mean, I really had no luck

11:22

in getting them out for her. At

11:26

last, she said she had about 40 of them

11:28

there now. They

11:31

just keep accumulating them. Yeah.

11:34

I mean, when someone says that they have

11:36

that many spirits in their home and these

11:38

sort of things going on and you're listening

11:40

to their stories, how do you

11:42

as an investigator go

11:44

in and determine whether or

11:46

not this person has some

11:48

sort of haunting going on in their

11:50

home or this person is severely mentally

11:52

ill? There's

11:54

a lot of avenues. Number one, I

11:57

have what is called the

11:59

typical strip. box and then I have

12:01

tape recorders. I judge it by

12:03

EDTs. I

12:06

judge it by video. If we can get

12:08

to video, I've got an SLS camera which

12:11

shows the students is basically skeletons, skeletal

12:14

figures. I base it on

12:17

that. I

12:19

actually saw one of the, and I don't know if I

12:21

should say this one, maybe, but I saw someone

12:24

doing some, one of the students in

12:26

the sectional places doing something decent

12:28

on the SLS camera. Yeah,

12:33

really, that's to be kind of cemented that she was

12:35

kind of telling the truth. That

12:37

was the EDTs that we got. So there's a

12:41

way to determine it. You have EMS

12:44

and EDTs and everything that I

12:46

know they're not. But if we

12:48

get nothing, then you're kind

12:50

of leaning towards I have had clients where

12:52

I don't have to say, look, you need

12:54

to get a physical, you need to get

12:56

an emotional workout before I can come back out.

13:01

So unfortunately, and that's really hard for

13:03

me to say. When you have cases

13:05

that are, you know, basically they were

13:07

living people at one point in time,

13:10

but now they're on the other side

13:12

and you want to help them cross

13:14

over. That's one thing. But

13:16

what can you do when you are in a

13:18

situation where you're dealing with something? I know we

13:20

just talked about the elementals, but let's talk about

13:22

something that that isn't an elemental. Let's talk about

13:25

something that is maybe darker. And

13:27

I know that it gets overused and everything

13:29

on television jumps to demon very quick. But

13:32

but but at times, that

13:34

is what some people are dealing with. Do

13:37

you have any experiences where you've dealt

13:40

with some someone's haunting

13:42

that you've determined? It's not

13:45

an elemental. This is not the spirit of Aunt

13:47

Betty or whoever you may assume it is. It's

13:49

something dark and it means harm. Yeah,

13:53

there are a lot of cases that

13:55

especially now it's pandemic in the community.

13:57

I Have a demonologist friend who I

13:59

call. And we did. It is

14:01

together. And

14:03

on. The. Last kiss it

14:05

was. It was last week and it

14:07

wasn't easy. I kids has some sit

14:09

there. And he is for even is think

14:12

it's and but bad for as with three

14:14

there's a loud as crowd you ever wanna

14:16

hear. An

14:18

arm is. Bet ironically hit

14:21

record in Kansas. But.

14:24

You would hurt in plain as day,

14:26

just audible. Oh well. Exactly. It

14:28

was like a foot a half away from me.

14:31

So. There was definitely

14:34

some demonic. See that there were aliens? He

14:36

believes. There was evil

14:38

Steered see a lot. and

14:40

they were bothering her our ugly is they

14:42

were leaving say there were certain of other

14:45

five year old daughter were given or nine

14:47

years and when it gets that point inside

14:49

now he no easy way to get sick

14:52

children for be our priority. Showcases.

14:55

Assad. Is it safe bump up to that

14:57

white? So. As

14:59

tonight's case, how do you go

15:01

about getting into a case like

15:04

that and and knowing that this

15:06

is something you're capable of handling?

15:09

Yeah, oh well. I. Protest.

15:12

Myself a lot. I were

15:14

of. For. Texans. Several would second

15:16

season say that I had never. Was

15:19

easy accesses isn't so powerful.

15:21

Lily did averages on. The.

15:23

No idea I had to buy it.

15:26

Clinton said. I have developed and I

15:28

use of herbs that Data likes. I

15:30

use oil the like only water. I

15:33

have been successful at getting analysis cleanses

15:35

that I guess they now. Have

15:37

a history buff her others call my friends and

15:40

into knowledge is several. got it together. And

15:43

Aviv raise. I do like planes in

15:45

it. We get him out. And

15:49

then I use energy work to get

15:51

a little senses. Last week I used

15:53

energy were to get out the last.

15:56

Of this. What we saw.

15:58

The Aliens. Oh

16:00

man in Singapore did they were

16:02

gone. When you get something out.

16:05

When. It's something like that are a you

16:07

are you just essentially assuring it on. Outside

16:10

of that home. And then essentially they're

16:12

gonna go find somebody else because they're

16:14

you.like. you're not killing them, You're not

16:16

putting them in the containment unit or

16:18

at the ghost cluster house. Are they

16:20

essentially just being moved? Honor ushered out

16:22

the door. To

16:25

steer sorry no doubt about the

16:27

said size advantage there as down

16:29

where they came from. Against

16:33

Bush is back to where they came

16:35

from. But then can they also essentially

16:37

kind of ping pong themselves back either

16:39

to that same place if they wanted

16:41

to or. Or. Just to another another

16:43

home that may not know what is going

16:46

on and then that that new family you

16:48

starting from be no square one trying to

16:50

figure out what is going on. Gray.

16:53

That I guess that had happened. I.

16:57

Tell you sir, I think that probably

17:00

could happen. And there's a lot

17:02

of. Onyx when our right now. Why

17:04

do you think having sex. On.

17:09

You. Know, I think it's the pandemics.

17:11

I think on. It,

17:13

You know I couldn't really tell

17:15

you what does portal opens the

17:17

door open portals without realizing it.

17:19

And that's with the demonic can

17:22

infer that there's a lot of

17:24

people in the weeds. Avoid it's

17:26

they would. Almost.

17:28

Every device I've done to it's

17:30

easy boy and they sell them

17:32

Play Zealand. That's why I'm sure.

17:35

And it was his sayings. it's

17:37

very dangerous the overboard. On. Zealand things

17:39

in need of a closed avoids. Wherever he

17:41

is he a lead in. it's still there.

17:44

Is I going anywhere? Else

17:47

you have no idea what he is a plus

17:49

for look at the exact the I don't think

17:51

I know believe they have. Actually

17:54

they closed off the exit for a

17:56

game. They're ugly the for the saliva

17:59

it. So it's

18:01

almost the you open the door but but

18:03

they're not going back to the exit if

18:05

he in fact they shut it off. Exactly.

18:08

And it's all lore entities and

18:10

demonic. So dealing with six and say is

18:13

a lawyer and sue or else will air b

18:15

You know what that says that they lie. Say

18:18

would not castro easy board. Easy.

18:21

Just right now that the people have so

18:24

much extra time on their hands with the

18:26

pandemic in your opinion that they're you know

18:28

if people are going through their addicts in

18:30

their closets in this and that oh hey

18:32

look at the weegee board that as as

18:35

a gave me and stay in the people

18:37

are just kind of recklessly be no going

18:39

through stuff and and this ends up opening

18:41

up doorways that they didn't think they were

18:44

opening. Process.

18:46

All these says on the analyze see the

18:48

couple of the says where they use i

18:50

wouldn't read is that these see a reason

18:52

for it as a tool. And

18:55

he will see this. They wanted to take.

18:59

Say when is it in the it's to

19:01

see human nature young they don't how to

19:03

protect though. Date on the had to get

19:05

rid of. It. And then they're stuck. With.

19:07

This entity. And there's. A good scratch

19:10

that didn't growl. Their.

19:12

Dineen as his tormentors.

19:15

It. Out pressed sir. And.

19:18

Then the next step would be says S and

19:20

I've had some clients so bent live very close

19:22

to possess my client as. He was. And

19:25

as a scary thing is when senses

19:27

as evil as. As.

19:29

Our horses a different color. Eyes

19:32

get them out is. In. A

19:35

My mind set. A new priest.

19:39

Yeah, it's it's aesthetic demonic.

19:42

In a mean to to get a priest

19:44

to do that. That is probably

19:46

not the easiest tasks to disease or just

19:48

call up somebody that you googled and say

19:51

hey, come on over we gotta possession her.

19:53

Yeah, not enough. Absolutely not.

19:56

Take The Catholic Church is

19:58

a big deal. goes. Though

20:00

grilling like you wouldn't believe it or take

20:02

so that two years to get you. From.

20:05

What I was so young. He

20:07

does. He do it through their traps

20:10

And and in does the possession have

20:12

to go through the Catholic Church to

20:14

be effective Orkin because there's many that

20:16

claim to be a exorcist and things

20:19

of that nature that have the ability

20:21

or as a claim to have the

20:23

ability to do it, Can one have

20:25

those abilities outside of the i guess

20:28

the the rituals and the hierarchy of

20:30

of a church system as okay. That

20:32

that is a treadmill been he isn't

20:35

It excesses and he's fantastic. Sir. I

20:38

didn't deserve the song l ever.

20:42

He does sound and Sky Deacon

20:44

the has the ability to do

20:46

it to the subways his agility

20:48

easily. The for. The and then like

20:50

he would travel to the have had the that

20:53

right? Yeah. So. That

20:55

Yeah, there are people out there that can do

20:57

that. Without it out when

20:59

it's hard to find reliable one. Eat.

21:02

To to trust to be able to

21:05

do that doesn't require it to be.

21:07

A almost just as as some

21:10

people have natural sensitive abilities without

21:12

having to to learn them if

21:14

you will was just kind of

21:16

their spot does someone who is

21:19

able to exercise a demon out

21:21

of in a living human being

21:23

is? that's. Kind of one of

21:26

those things that it's either a new or

21:28

it's not. You have this ability because of

21:30

just your dna, your makeup or is that

21:32

something that can be learned and and over

21:34

time you can develop that skill to help

21:36

one if if that's what what one would

21:39

choose to do and go down upon. Myself

21:43

I believe he has had that gets and

21:45

still video poker. When. The

21:47

Beginning. That's what I believe. our

21:53

i've seen his belt is awfully

21:55

good i've had belong to show

21:57

before to be ups are in

21:59

his eyes There are so

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many questions about all these things and

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