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to Far Two of our conversation with

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Eric Vitale about evil in

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objects. I

0:38

just wonder, are there more undiagnosed

0:40

cases of possession in today's world than there

0:42

were in the past? Or we're not even

0:45

looking at it as someone is possessed or

0:47

anything like that. We're just

0:49

like, well, they're horrible people, you know? I'm

0:52

sure there is, because people might

0:54

not even want to bring that to

0:56

the table. Well, oh, what demonic

0:58

possession? There's some people that don't even know

1:00

what demonic possession is. And

1:03

I think it depends where you are in the world, too.

1:05

You know, religious backgrounds.

1:08

But yeah, I definitely think

1:10

that. I just look at

1:12

so many of these cases where it's like, the

1:14

mom's been mom for how many years? And

1:16

all of a sudden she's skinning the children,

1:19

you know, in the kitchen. It's like, what

1:21

the fuck? That's a dramatic

1:23

turn. Like, what on earth

1:25

is that when I read yesterday where

1:27

the house was burning down and she's

1:29

stabbing her children as the house burns.

1:33

It's just like, what on earth is

1:36

going on here? These were not headlines

1:38

a handful of years ago. And

1:40

at first my thought was, are

1:42

we just are we in this

1:44

world where we really do hear the worst

1:47

of the worst now because everything's online in

1:49

the past? Oh, yeah. I

1:51

mean, there's that. Four seasons bullshit.

1:54

There's that. But these things are happening. And

1:56

that's what I'm trying to figure out. I'm trying to

1:58

figure out is there the. truly happening

2:00

more frequently or do we

2:03

just kind of get the cream of the crop

2:05

and I'm saying that in a very weird way

2:08

of the worst of the worst in

2:10

every community now and we

2:12

all hear about it whereas in the past

2:14

it used to be relegated to kind of

2:16

just that community would know about these horrible

2:19

stories is it

2:21

that just the information or are

2:23

these up all around? We

2:27

have way more ways to get news

2:29

nowadays so I mean we didn't

2:31

have social media 30 years ago so it's

2:34

more on our face. I don't know

2:36

if it's

2:38

more of these things are happening now than

2:40

they did say 30 years ago but there's

2:43

more ways for us to get that news nowadays.

2:49

It makes me wonder like if one were

2:51

to go back and literally go to like

2:53

a library and look at the microfilm and

2:56

the microfilm kids is where you look at

2:58

an old newspaper that hasn't been digitalized yet

3:00

and you literally have to like read through

3:02

it because it's how they archive the old

3:05

print and a lot of those

3:07

are getting digitized now but if someone were to

3:09

go through and kind of report on that

3:11

it'd be an impossible project to do. I want

3:14

to look at every newspaper throughout the country

3:16

and then look at these stories and

3:19

really digest okay are these

3:22

just as horrific as the stories today

3:24

and if we were to

3:26

make the list of the worst it

3:28

would really compete with today or are

3:31

people that much worse today are they

3:33

more resourceful more creative on the ways

3:35

they're destroying lives or is

3:37

this just been really mankind for quite some

3:39

time we're just now more well

3:41

aware of it. I think we're just

3:44

more aware of it now. I mean look we've been dealing

3:46

with sick demented people for

3:49

years and years I mean all

3:51

the way back to like I

3:53

mean Fundy, Ramirez, the Iceman we've

3:55

been dealing with twisted individuals for

3:58

a very long time. Are

4:00

some of them Influenced by

4:02

the devil. I think so all

4:05

of them probably not yeah, there's

4:07

just a lot of sick people out there it

4:10

makes me wonder too with It

4:13

could be a blessing and a curse in some ways where

4:15

you're more likely to get caught today

4:18

if Killing children or

4:20

killing this or whatever it may be is

4:22

your thing there There's many more safeguards

4:25

it seems in place that you're going to

4:27

get caught and the odds of getting a

4:29

Bundy To to be active

4:32

out there today I think would be

4:34

caught much sooner than what it would

4:36

have been those many years ago So

4:38

many times every just seeing kind of like

4:41

the beginnings of what someone could be had

4:43

all this communication not been around You

4:46

know or or what just kind of one-offs and

4:48

there's a lot of people who live their whole

4:50

life and then thanks to things like DNA sampling

4:53

We're catching people now that

4:55

no you're right. Yeah, I was gonna

4:57

say that police are way more knowledgeable

4:59

nowadays With just the tools is

5:02

to catch these people so yeah maybe there's a

5:04

monster in the making but we got them right

5:06

at the beginning of like a Killing

5:09

spree and that's great because cops

5:12

are saving lives Yeah, exactly and

5:14

it's always interesting I did the the DNA

5:16

test one of them a couple months ago

5:18

and My whole thing

5:20

when I was doing it just kind of kind

5:22

of tongue-in-cheek But kind of kind of truthful in

5:25

some way shape or form I'm like I

5:27

wonder if my DNA will like reveal that like

5:29

some person in my family's like a horrible murderer

5:32

Yeah Because I

5:34

don't suspect anyone honestly my family

5:36

really for the most part is

5:38

pretty normal or just not I

5:40

guess Nobody's really in

5:42

trouble. It's all I don't suspect it,

5:44

but I've always kind of wondered you

5:46

know What is

5:48

what's someone thinking at the Christmas get-together

5:51

of a family gathering when some? What

5:53

one person goes and guess what I

5:55

bought all of us DNA kits and

5:57

oh great I

6:00

can't wait to do that and that one person

6:02

knows they're like They did some

6:04

sort of horrible crime that nobody knows about from 25 years

6:06

ago and now everybody's gonna

6:08

put their DNA into this and Guess

6:11

what's gonna happen next year. It's gonna get

6:13

matched up that's

6:15

gotta be I

6:18

got away with this all these years and now

6:20

there's a damn DNA test That

6:23

are it's gotta be

6:25

I would imagine there's a very silent group

6:28

of people at the holidays or whatever

6:30

like I hope to God my

6:32

you know, my Niece doesn't do that

6:34

fucking DNA kit or whatever because this

6:36

could reveal some shit But

6:39

it's interesting There's a

6:41

documentary coming out Later

6:44

in the year October 11th haunted

6:46

Connecticut. It isn't about Anna Lorraine.

6:48

It's it's a documentary film that

6:51

I basically Venture

6:53

it off to some haunted

6:55

locations. Okay the filmmaker named

6:57

Tony Cadwell. Okay We

7:00

basically found each other on social media.

7:02

He's done some films Okay, and I

7:04

was very much intrigued by the last

7:06

movie he did prior to us

7:08

meeting It was called balsam

7:11

and on the movie poster It was

7:13

Kane hotter who played Jason Voorhees and

7:15

for the Friday the 13th films Okay

7:17

Now anybody that knows me knows I'm

7:19

a huge Friday the 13th geek the

7:21

way people are Star Wars geeks. Sure

7:23

So we started going back

7:25

and forth through Facebook Messenger like what is this?

7:28

This is really cool One

7:30

thing led to another he knew about

7:32

me traveling America when I was hired

7:34

by the Travel Channel back in 2019

7:37

filming Ghost Loop and he's like, you

7:39

know We should we should film a movie

7:41

together and I said, you know That'd be

7:43

great because I don't want to forever be

7:45

known as the ghost loop guy when it

7:47

comes to the entertainment side of the Paranormal

7:50

I've been really wanted to do something new

7:52

but I'm not one of those guys that

7:54

like goes out and like Tries

7:56

to get himself thrown in the limelight.

7:58

I just I get notice which

8:00

I've been blessed. So

8:03

he flew out to Connecticut and

8:06

we went to a couple of haunted locations.

8:08

We filmed this back in October

8:10

of last year. We went to a

8:12

haunted funeral home in Derby,

8:15

Connecticut. Then

8:17

we went to a very well known

8:20

haunted bed and breakfast in Preston, Connecticut

8:22

called Captain Grant's and we filmed there

8:24

and there's also a haunted cemetery on

8:27

the property. So we

8:29

got all this great evidence which my mind's

8:31

blown with some of the evidence we got

8:33

in this thing. I just can't wait for

8:36

people to see it. I'm super proud of

8:38

it. It looks fantastic and it's

8:41

coming out October 11th on all

8:43

VOD major platforms and you're gonna

8:45

be able to rent it and

8:47

own it digitally and it's actually

8:49

available right now for pre-order on

8:51

Amazon. Okay, okay. Tell me about

8:54

the funeral home. What was

8:56

the background on this place and what brought you

8:58

to it? Well

9:00

that's actually an Esper case. I've investigated there

9:02

numerous times and we were trying to get

9:04

locations together and I'm friends with the owner

9:07

and she said sure come here, film for

9:09

a night, whatever you need and

9:11

we got some pretty interesting stuff. I don't want

9:14

to give too much away. We actually I don't

9:16

want to say the name of the place. We

9:18

don't even say the name of the place in

9:21

the movie because we just

9:23

don't want to draw that much attention to

9:25

it. I mean it has been on the

9:27

news years ago but it's

9:29

a functioning funeral home and

9:33

it's been quite active over the years. There's been

9:35

some renovations the past couple of years which has

9:37

been amping activity but

9:39

we got some really really

9:42

cool stuff there. A

9:45

lot of evidence that

9:47

we present to the viewer as

9:49

what do you think just happened

9:51

here? What do you think this

9:54

spirit just said coming out

9:56

of my spirit box? Because I think a lot

9:58

of investigators when it comes to TV shows

10:00

and stuff like that. There's a lot of people

10:03

out there doing their live streams. They'll

10:05

say oh my god This said this

10:08

and it's like I don't really

10:10

think it said that pal We leave

10:12

a lot of stuff open-ended and I

10:14

think it came across Really

10:17

well, and I just can't wait to

10:19

film again. We're getting ready. We're actually

10:21

looking for Locations right now for

10:23

haunted Connecticut to because our whole idea

10:25

is to start a franchise here I

10:27

want to do a bunch of haunted,

10:30

Connecticut's because there's a bunch of haunted

10:32

locations in Connecticut Sure, but we're gonna

10:34

travel throughout America at some point hit

10:36

some other locations. I've got a lot

10:38

of other places On

10:40

my mind that I want to film at but it's it's

10:43

a good start Yeah, you know ghost loop

10:45

was fun, but I didn't

10:47

have a lot of creative freedom I was under contract

10:49

to travel channel So I look back

10:51

at that as like kind of launching pad You know

10:54

it got my name out there a lot of people

10:56

know who I am because of ghost loop But

10:58

I've come a long way since ghost loop

11:01

sure and I'm really excited for people to

11:03

see this Super psyched about all

11:05

to Connecticut. I really am What

11:07

do you think it is about funeral

11:09

homes and and them being haunted because

11:11

obviously they're not places where? We

11:14

as the living spend much time or

11:16

really have much of a connection to

11:18

but they are places where obviously the

11:21

body goes When he's

11:23

dead and then there's Extreme

11:25

emotion in those buildings with those

11:27

and go learn sorrow and in

11:30

mourning their dad, you know Yeah,

11:33

you're exactly right. There's all that There's

11:36

all that energy there. I mean how many

11:38

families have gone in there to mourn friends

11:40

family to say goodbye To

11:42

their loved ones and not

11:45

only that I mean no one

11:47

truly knows what happens After

11:49

you die, it's endlessly fascinating

11:51

this field. We're all still learning

11:54

That's why I hate when people call

11:56

themselves paranormal experts. We're all

11:58

trying to get answers But

12:02

from some of the investigations

12:04

I've done with psychic mediums, I've

12:06

learned that this is

12:09

really scary and really sad,

12:11

but some spirits, they

12:14

don't know they're dead, and that's sad. I've

12:17

been on cases where they're

12:20

trying – I was kicked in a – I remember I had a

12:22

case a couple years ago. I

12:24

was kicked really hard, and I was really

12:26

taken back. I was like, whoa, when the

12:28

whole room went cold, and I had gone

12:30

upstairs, and I asked the psychic medium that

12:32

was with us, who kicked

12:34

me? I

12:37

was kicked really hard. She said, well, there's

12:39

a man here, and he thinks you're trying to find

12:41

money that he hid in the house. He doesn't know

12:44

he's dead, and the guy was dead for 50, 60

12:46

years. That's

12:49

just so sad and scary, and

12:51

I think that can happen in a funeral

12:54

home. It's like you're looking at

12:56

yourself laying in a casket, and it's like,

12:58

what? I'm

13:00

right here, and I think that's why also

13:02

when it comes to different

13:04

types of activity with earthbound

13:06

spirits, it's like

13:09

– I was having a

13:11

conversation with Tony the other day about

13:13

this. I was like, all right, I

13:15

got killed in a car accident, but

13:17

I'm standing in front of Tony. I

13:19

went back to see him at his

13:21

house, and I'm knocking on the table

13:23

next to him. I'm like, Tony, why

13:25

can't you see me? Why can't you

13:27

hear me? I'm right here. That has

13:29

got to be the saddest, most frustrating

13:31

situation to be in. If

13:35

you were the ghost and you were in that situation, wouldn't you put

13:37

the dots together after about five

13:39

seconds? Like, oh, shit, I'm dead.

13:43

Yeah. That's

13:45

what I wonder about where people are

13:47

constantly confused over and over, and it's

13:49

like, why is no one – you've

13:51

got to connect the dots here at some point

13:54

and realize you're dead. Yeah.

13:56

People that die really quickly,

13:58

they become earthbound. like the car

14:00

accident, you know, a man's driving home from

14:03

work to see his wife and his family.

14:05

He hits a telephone pole. All

14:08

right, his earthly, you know, his body is

14:10

there in the car dead, but

14:12

his energy, he's still on his way home

14:14

and he shows up home and

14:16

he sits at the dinner table and he tries to

14:18

say hi to his wife and he's being ignored and

14:21

again, no one truly knows how this

14:24

works. We know a little bit, but

14:26

that's just a sad situation to be

14:29

in and I just want

14:31

to go right to heaven when I pass. I don't want to hang

14:33

out. You don't want to go haunt

14:35

the crap out of people just for the hell of it, just for

14:37

a little bit. I'd

14:40

be the gust of wind blowing up skirts. That's

14:42

what I would do. I

14:47

don't know if you want to say that with too many people. You

14:49

might get on some sort of list. But

14:51

yeah, I just

14:53

want to go

14:55

to heaven and see my

14:58

duans. Do you

15:00

think that spirits, the people

15:02

who have died that are the subject

15:04

of the funeral, are

15:06

they often present for their own

15:08

funerals? I

15:11

think so, unless they've already crossed

15:14

over. Do

15:17

you think you get the option? Like okay,

15:19

here's the ticket. You

15:21

can go directly to where you're going to

15:23

go or you can do this matinee over

15:25

here, which is your funeral, and

15:28

then you can join or you get

15:30

the extended pass and you wander around forever

15:32

long you want. See,

15:35

this is a really fascinating stuff. To

15:38

this day I still question. You

15:41

pass away. You die. You

15:43

cross over. You're in heaven. There's still

15:46

evidence of you. You

15:48

come through devices. I

15:51

hear your name. How is

15:53

that happening? Are you standing next to

15:55

me and I'm just able to pick

15:57

up your voice on a frequency? talking

16:00

to me from heaven right now. That's

16:02

very fascinating. I

16:06

think a lot of times we really think in one dimensional

16:08

ways of like, well, if you're doing this, it must be

16:10

being done this way. And if you stop

16:12

and think for a little bit, it's like, no, it doesn't have

16:14

to be that way. I mean, there's

16:16

so many other ways that these things could be going on

16:19

and we just don't quite grasp it. I

16:21

think you're right. I like to think that you could

16:24

cross over. You can go to heaven and

16:28

we have that free will to

16:30

come back to earth and

16:33

kind of visit people, loved ones,

16:36

go to places we wanted to go to. And it's kind

16:38

of a back and forth, if

16:40

you will. Sure. What?

16:43

That's what I like to believe in. What

16:46

is it like when

16:48

one thinks of a bed and breakfast? I

16:51

often think of them as being potentially haunted locations

16:53

because a lot of times they're old kind of

16:55

Victorian homes. They got a lot of history to

16:57

them. But to have the

17:00

cemetery in the backyard, tell

17:02

me about that a little bit with what you can.

17:05

Oh, yeah, that was a pretty cool location. I

17:08

actually went there last summer with

17:10

my wife for an overnight and I

17:12

told myself, okay, we're just going to

17:14

go and have a nice little getaway.

17:16

I'm not bringing any equipment, not investigator

17:18

for the weekend. We go and it's

17:20

a very well-known haunted location. It's been

17:22

on most of the TV shows. So

17:26

we go there and we ask for the

17:28

Analay room, the most haunted room there is

17:31

where people have claimed to have felt children

17:33

walking all over the bed at night. It's

17:36

like, great, fantastic. We

17:38

go. It was like

17:40

a horror movie setting. There was

17:42

a thunderstorm that night and

17:45

birds settling in to go to sleep. It's like

17:47

probably around one in the morning, sure

17:49

enough, right over me, pitter patter,

17:52

felt just like a toddler walked

17:54

over me. My

17:56

wife's sleeping and I wake her up like you

17:58

missed it. over me. She's

18:00

like, oh my god. I'm like, I wish I

18:03

had a camera set up. But

18:05

it was amazing. And then I went

18:08

back and I filmed there with Tony

18:10

for Haunted Connecticut. That's some

18:13

pretty wild stuff. Weird

18:17

sounds in the walls, a lot of

18:20

interesting things coming out

18:22

of the ghost box.

18:25

I mean, I don't want to ruin it for anyone, but seriously,

18:28

I did something I've never done before in

18:30

an investigation. We were in a billiard room

18:32

and I was just like trying to think

18:34

of something to do to try

18:37

and spark activity. So I had

18:39

our camera person slide a deck

18:41

of cards over to me and

18:43

I start cutting the cards. You know, I pull

18:45

a card and I just said, does anybody know

18:47

what card this is? You know,

18:50

nothing happens. I pull another card. What

18:53

card is this? Mind you, the cards laying

18:55

down on the table. A

18:57

voice came out of my ghost box.

18:59

Nine. I

19:01

listed in the card. Nine. Wow. What

19:04

the fucking odd is that happening? You

19:07

know what I mean? Like there's 60 cards in a

19:09

deck and what are the odds of

19:12

after I asked that question, a

19:14

voice says the number, the

19:16

same number that's on the card that I picked. So I

19:18

was 100% convinced

19:21

I was communicating with an intelligent spirit on

19:23

that night. And that's like one of my

19:25

proudest moments. Like I couldn't believe it. Like

19:28

jaw drops. Everyone in the room was like,

19:30

did that really just fucking happen? That's

19:33

a good, I mean, it is so

19:35

contextually accurate to what you were doing.

19:37

I mean, it's, it's, it's that,

19:39

and I think that that's the point where it gets really

19:41

kinda, even though you know,

19:44

this stuff exists, you know, it can

19:46

happen every time it does that with

19:48

still like a, Oh my God moment.

19:50

Yeah. Yeah. I try to not freak

19:52

out though. Cause I just, I

19:54

try to keep my cool. That's one of the

19:56

things my director Tony said. He's like, you never

19:59

freak out like. and walls like

20:01

really good responses out of the spirit box you

20:03

don't freak out and it's like you got to

20:05

keep your cool I always try to

20:08

keep my cool I don't like to be like

20:10

oh my god oh my bro dude you don't

20:13

want to scream bro that's that's the

20:17

sign where you've gone too far you'll

20:19

be charged when I was filming Ghostloop

20:21

my director like basically had to pull

20:23

me in the side and said you

20:25

can't say bro anymore you can't say

20:28

dude anymore you drop the f-bomb every

20:30

five minutes it's like

20:32

all right okay I'm sorry yeah

20:34

yeah no that's that that's funny

20:38

when it comes to equipment and things

20:40

like you know a ghost box things

20:42

like in obelisk what's

20:44

your opinion on on those devices

20:47

I mean because there's so many people who be

20:49

like oh it's I only like this or that

20:51

I feel like all of them have a place in

20:54

some you know it can work in some places

20:56

and sometimes it doesn't a lot of its contextual

20:58

leave if it makes sense as to

21:01

what's talk being talked about exactly how

21:03

I feel I believe they work why

21:05

do I believe that because I've had

21:07

tons of experience with them

21:09

yeah point being what I just said to

21:11

you I pull a card

21:13

and I ask what card is this

21:15

yeah a

21:18

voice is nine out of the

21:20

box yeah really how do you not believe that

21:23

something that's paranormal

21:25

yeah how do you

21:27

explain that we know

21:30

many cases where that's gone

21:32

down but it is it

21:34

is and I had one over

21:36

over the winter months I

21:39

was visiting my in my hometown cemetery

21:41

in Wisconsin okay and me and my

21:43

daughter were there and we do a

21:46

very minimal investigating we do a little thing on

21:48

YouTube called dad daughter and the dad and I

21:50

make little you know like ten minute pieces here

21:52

and there when we have time and

21:55

it's just some fun extra stuff that we throw out

21:57

there and we were in

21:59

the cemetery And I was I do not

22:01

own an obelisk, but I have an app and I the

22:03

one that I use was suggested by many Investigators are like

22:05

if you're gonna use one on your phone use this one

22:08

so I did and And

22:10

so I've been using that one and I

22:13

swear I get so many accurate results out

22:15

of that app It's scary and and the

22:17

one that there was several that we got

22:19

But the one that really stood out to

22:22

me as we were walking through the cemetery.

22:24

It's knowing as we're going through it and

22:27

And I and she's carrying

22:29

a k2 meter along with her.

22:31

Okay, and and I said if

22:34

you can Go over

22:36

there and try and light up and I'm talking

22:38

like it's just like a baby or something Which

22:40

was kind of stupid and I'm like go over

22:42

that that thing in her hand If

22:45

you get close to it that will

22:47

make the lights light up so go to that thing in

22:49

her hand and And and use that

22:51

and the thing I get that comes up

22:53

on the the obelisk type device says Meter

22:56

question mark It's

22:58

like yes, that's that's great You

23:01

know, I think when it

23:03

comes to all this stuff, I think I

23:05

was a little iffy on apps For

23:08

a while, but you know how

23:10

I truly feel spirits can manipulate

23:12

things Yeah, and people have been

23:14

trying to communicate for so long

23:17

now How many years with these

23:19

apps that I think your spirits

23:21

are just like they just they get it now It's

23:23

like, okay. Yeah, this is this is the means for

23:25

us to try and speak So let's you

23:28

know get in there and pick a word out of this database

23:31

And trying to communicate with these these

23:33

humans that are trying

23:35

to communicate with us right now I don't

23:37

understand or see the difference between using a

23:40

phone a program that that is

23:42

designed to do that Versus using

23:44

a program that was put into

23:47

a dedicated device. They're both computer

23:49

programs You're right. You're

23:51

right. I had a hard time wrap my head around that for

23:53

a while because I'm like, it's a phone You

23:55

know, how could you detect EMF with a phone? But

24:00

I mean, the

24:02

Obulus, that's a pretty expensive piece

24:04

of equipment. We've got quite

24:06

a few of them. We were using them when we

24:08

were filming, all to Connecticut. But I mean, if you

24:10

could download an app for free, more power to use.

24:13

Well, I'd be very curious because I've never

24:16

used one, the true Obulus, of

24:18

doing it hand in hand and seeing which

24:22

one I enjoy more, not just from

24:24

the joys of getting feedback,

24:27

but just what one seems to be registering things

24:29

that make more sense. There's

24:31

been several places we've gone to that

24:33

it's made references to the setting

24:36

we're in and people are

24:38

like, well, it's because it has GPS or this

24:40

or that. I don't think the

24:42

people who program these are necessarily, they would take

24:44

a lot of programming to really kind of get

24:46

down to that level of micro

24:48

hacking this to make it look like

24:50

it's real when it's not. Because

24:53

I thought of that too. It's

24:55

like, oh, we just said, here's

24:59

us talking about something. We're

25:01

talking, all right, we're in Union

25:03

Graveyard right now. Maybe let's see

25:06

what we get. We turn the

25:08

app on and it's appointed. It

25:10

says Union versus Graveyard. It's like,

25:12

well, how did they program

25:14

it in a way? Are we being

25:16

tricked or are we really communicating with

25:18

spirits? You know what I mean? Tricked,

25:20

trapped, or trapped, there's so

25:23

many ways of looking at it.

25:26

I think there are some that are strictly for

25:28

entertainment and are just going to spit out words

25:30

that sound creepy. It

25:32

says it right in the description. Some

25:36

I think go a bit further. It's

25:38

been interesting to see all of that.

25:41

Yeah, there's some out there that I see a

25:43

lot of the mess eaters using like Necrophonic, I

25:46

believe is one of them, and Spiritus. But

25:49

to tease their own, if it works for you

25:52

and you're getting results, how could you deny that?

25:55

Just like a lot of people would talk garbage

25:57

about the Spirit Box and the PSP7. And

26:00

I've gotten some really amazing evidence

26:02

by using this. That's my favorite. I

26:04

really love ITC research. What I do

26:06

now is I'll use the

26:08

spirit box on its own or the

26:11

old ghost box, which was actually a,

26:13

it's the 12587 Radio Shack radio from

26:15

years ago that people would hack. So

26:18

I use that sometimes, but I really

26:20

like this device called the portal where

26:22

you could connect the

26:25

spirit box to the portal or it's

26:27

basically just an amplifier with a reverb.

26:29

Yeah. Pedal and a noise gate

26:32

and you could kind of like negate some of

26:34

the white noise and it's really cool. I actually,

26:36

I've got a couple of them actually. Shout

26:39

out to AddiDunkie Paranormal. He makes

26:41

me awesome equipment. Joshua. Yeah. Awesome,

26:43

buddy. That, that is something that

26:46

I've seen in action a little bit. I've been

26:48

very curious about and I've been very curious to

26:50

add to my little repertoire of things because

26:53

I really think it's interesting the way

26:55

that it's, it's kind of manipulating the sound, but

26:58

all it's doing is it's just trying to

27:00

pull away the white noise, the access noise.

27:02

Exactly. And when it does that, it's much

27:04

clearer and sometimes we need, we need it

27:06

to be clearer to really understand what the

27:08

hell it's saying, especially in real time. I

27:11

like a little bit of the white noise,

27:14

the creeps, I'm just so used to hearing

27:16

the PSB seven, but it's however you want

27:18

to use it. You know, I've got all

27:20

my settings on my

27:22

set to my liking and it's a

27:24

nifty little device. I

27:26

really, really enjoy using the

27:29

portal. Do

27:31

you find that depending on the

27:33

setting where you're investigating certain

27:35

equipment will work better versus others? I

27:41

think it's just the means of this,

27:43

the spirits want to

27:45

communicate because it's interesting,

27:48

like a spirit box. One of my

27:50

theories is, all right, when I

27:52

turn it on, is it

27:54

like turning on a TV? And

27:57

you're now opening yourself up to

27:59

another realm. of where the spirits are,

28:01

all right, they're always there. They're always

28:03

here and they're always speaking to each

28:05

other, trying to communicate with us. And

28:07

as soon as you turn that spirit

28:09

box on, it's like, boom, you

28:12

start to hear their voices. So

28:15

you're not always gonna be getting, like you could

28:17

start asking questions right away, but I feel like

28:19

as soon as I turn that box on, it's

28:22

just like, boom, I'm now able to hear

28:24

them, like just opening the door

28:27

to a crowded room and there's a party going on.

28:29

You know what I mean? You're just

28:31

like walking right into an already in

28:33

progress conversation. Yeah, I feel that way

28:35

a lot when I do ITC research.

28:37

Where it doesn't mean they're there to

28:39

necessarily connect with you. You're the one

28:41

that's intruding on them. Exactly,

28:44

exactly. That wraps

28:46

up part two of our conversation with Eric.

28:48

A big thank you to him for joining

28:50

us on the show and sharing his experiences

28:52

with us. Until next time, for all of

28:55

us at The Grave Talks, I'm Tony Brueske,

28:57

thanks for your support and thanks for listening.

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Thank you.