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2:00

Great Dogs followed by The dead

2:02

a conversation with Kevin Smith's. Grim

2:16

incredibly young age, Kevin Smith's had

2:18

paranormal experiences saying his grandmother glowing

2:20

in blue late at night in

2:23

his home, to moving into a

2:25

haunted houses a teenager. The.

2:27

Supernatural has always been a part of his name.

2:31

After nearly losing his own life in

2:33

two thousand and five, Kevin discover that

2:35

he. Himself, mad

2:37

and even closer connection to the

2:39

other side and he ever imagined

2:42

this is his story today on

2:44

the great Talks exec cynical back

2:46

quite a bit for me because

2:48

I'm I've always been interested in

2:50

the paranormal. It's not something that

2:53

I was looking to. Get

2:56

into but you know being younger and stuff

2:58

like that I always follow like the warrens

3:00

and I'm a you stick it up my

3:02

local library and take on every book I

3:04

put on. ghost and stuff like that. But

3:08

I think the earliest experience for

3:10

me was are probably back in

3:12

a in a minute date myself

3:14

here. But back in nineteen seventy

3:16

seven my grandmother passed away and

3:18

I was very close to my

3:20

grandmother and I was very young

3:22

at the time and she had

3:24

been staying with us for a

3:26

while. She had cancer. And

3:29

I she had told my mom that

3:31

she felt like she can have a

3:33

stroke. So my mom. Had

3:35

taken a some hospitals to The next day

3:38

my mom comes home without my grandma and

3:40

you know pretty much tells me that my

3:42

grandmother you know died in this and that

3:44

now being as close as I was to

3:46

my grandmother. I. Was devastated

3:48

sir. I'm. So.

3:52

i remember the so vividly it's like

3:54

it happened yesterday i don't know how many

3:56

days it was asked the words it

3:58

could have been the day But

4:02

I had a dream, well I

4:04

thought it was a dream at the time doing what

4:06

I do now, I know it probably wasn't, that

4:09

my grandmother had come to my

4:11

room and she was glowing

4:14

blue and

4:16

she told me don't worry, don't

4:18

be upset, I'm okay now. And

4:22

that's something that's always just kind of stuck

4:24

with me and I never never really thought

4:26

much about it until I started doing what

4:29

I'm doing now because

4:33

in 2005 I had a near death experience. And

4:38

after I came out of that, I

4:41

noticed that I had to about the

4:43

ability to, I guess,

4:48

channel into people's feelings I guess I'm

4:50

considered an empath by a lot of

4:52

people. And

4:55

it's not something that I embraced willingly.

4:58

I have a lot of good friends

5:00

in the paranormal field that are mediums

5:02

and psychics such as Chelsea Gill and

5:05

Christy London. And they

5:07

tell me all the time, man, you got to be an

5:09

empath. And just

5:13

recently, a couple years ago, I ended

5:16

up back in the hospital and

5:19

it was another, I guess, near death experience

5:21

for me. And I

5:25

came out and I had

5:29

noticed that I had a really heightened

5:31

sense of things going on. To

5:36

go back just a little bit there, when

5:39

I was in the hospital, I was in the hospital for a year. I

5:42

was in medical rehab, which is just, you know,

5:44

fancy talk for a nursing home. And

5:48

being in a nursing home and being an empath

5:52

is not a place you want

5:54

to be because anybody that has

5:56

the empathic ability knows that

5:58

there's no way to... turn that off. Um,

6:02

so I was getting hit from every

6:04

direction and I just, I just chalked

6:06

it up because what I was in

6:08

there for was, um, I had a

6:10

TBI, a traumatic brain

6:13

injury and I developed hydro,

6:15

uh, cephal, cephalite and

6:18

I had to have a shunt put in

6:20

my head. And the reason I ended up

6:22

in the hospital the second time was because

6:24

the shunt failed. And

6:27

I went into, I

6:29

guess a state of like, I

6:32

don't want to say dementia, but I really

6:34

didn't know who I was. And a lot

6:36

of people thought I wasn't going to recover

6:38

from, from that. Um, so,

6:42

uh, when I got

6:44

out, I, I had a couple

6:47

incidences to where I live now where,

6:50

um, the staff

6:52

members in the apartment building, I

6:54

would pick up on things from them. Like they

6:56

would just walk by me and I'd be like,

6:58

you know, I'd get something in the back of

7:00

my head saying, Hey, you know, you got a

7:02

message for them. You need to tell them that sort

7:04

of, you know, whatever. So I

7:06

figured I'd try it out one day and there

7:10

was this new kid, Eric, that started and I,

7:13

you know, he was made aware of what

7:16

I could do because I've proved that

7:18

I could do it on other occasions. And,

7:21

uh, this was a new kid. I didn't know anything

7:23

about him, but his name, I didn't even know his

7:25

last name. And, uh,

7:27

I said, I got a message for you and he's like,

7:29

well, what is it? I said, well, we'll talk later on.

7:31

And, uh, you call me

7:33

down later on and we went into to

7:36

talk and stuff like that. And you know, I

7:38

went into some personal

7:40

details of his life and this,

7:42

this kid, he just turned white

7:45

and it was like, I was hitting

7:47

everything right on the head. And you

7:50

know, after that, I kind of freaked myself

7:52

out and I immediately called Chelsea Gill and

7:54

I'm like, Chelsea, what's going on? And

7:57

She's like, just relax, you know, just kind

7:59

of. You know she, she talked me through

8:01

some stuff and the you know, I just

8:03

kind of. Ah

8:05

no, I just kind of embrace it

8:07

and I use it on film we

8:10

investigate was or why I've had some

8:12

experiences. So it's it's been a it's

8:14

been a a weird weird ride for

8:16

me but yeah like I said I

8:18

think it's it's been something that are.

8:21

Something that I've had that I think

8:23

I just kind of just ignored because

8:26

I went different pass a my life.

8:28

I mean, I've been a musician for

8:30

thirty five years and then I got

8:32

into film and mean, I played hockey

8:34

and stuff like that helps you know

8:36

it's it's It's not something that. I

8:39

put into the forefront sir of

8:41

my life until recently so it

8:43

lasted. I sat there me now

8:45

lot of of areas I wanted

8:47

to dive into. A lot of

8:49

questions I have for hims. Let's

8:51

let's take in all the way

8:53

back though to the area of

8:56

their childhood. your grandmother and a

8:58

her glowing in blue. I mean

9:00

a a child. When you were

9:02

experiencing that and having that moment

9:04

what was going through your mind.

9:06

I mean how are you processing

9:08

that. As a a child.

9:12

He a know. It.

9:14

Seventy seven was a year that

9:17

Star Wars same out so he

9:19

know the whole blue glow he

9:21

goes thing you know? I just.

9:24

You know, my grandmother take me to

9:26

see Star Wars when it first premiered

9:28

here and now Western New York and

9:31

our. I

9:33

just. I just kind of thought

9:36

at the time. That

9:38

you know, I'm kind of like correlating

9:40

the two things. You know, her passing

9:42

and then you know, been a huge

9:44

jet I narrowed and stuff like that,

9:46

you know I was his second. All

9:48

you know, maybe. He. analysis

9:51

my ways of coping yeah

9:53

and you know being young

9:55

i didn't really understand you

9:57

know but through the years

10:00

it's always something that stuck with me.

10:02

And you know, it's just something I

10:04

couldn't shake. And even,

10:07

you know, as I

10:09

got older, and stuff like that, you know,

10:11

I would still still think about it. And

10:16

even when I was married, and

10:18

I had kids of my own, my

10:20

oldest daughter, you

10:22

know, showed some signs

10:24

of, you know, having

10:26

some ability, but, you

10:28

know, they always say that, you know, kids, you

10:31

know, they can, they can channel stuff

10:33

that we can't, because, you know,

10:35

they're not programmed yet to, to, I

10:39

guess, push

10:41

it aside, you know, because

10:44

they don't want to seem, you know,

10:46

crazy or whatever. But yeah, it was

10:49

a really interesting experience.

10:51

And going

10:53

back that far, like I said,

10:56

I can remember it happening, like

10:58

it was just yesterday, but as

11:00

far as you know, how I

11:02

felt at the time, that's kind

11:05

of tough, because you're talking, you

11:07

know, almost over

11:09

40 years ago. So when

11:12

you had the experience, did you share it

11:14

with your family or anybody around you? No,

11:17

I didn't actually, I shared it with

11:19

some friends, as I became a

11:21

teenager, you know, you

11:24

know, you all sit around, you tell spooky

11:26

stories and stuff like that. And I

11:28

actually, when I was a teenager, I lived in a

11:30

house that was haunted. And

11:34

so it used to come up a lot there. So

11:37

that was your first experience, but then you

11:39

moved into a house that was haunted. So

11:42

it was by far from

11:44

your only experience. Tell

11:47

me about moving into a haunted house.

11:49

And, you know, already having that one

11:51

experience that you knew was ghostly, but

11:53

I'm sure you you you're

11:55

trying to run it all through your head. You're trying

11:57

to find explanations, you're trying to, you know, write it

11:59

off this way, right? it off that way to feel

12:01

normal and fit in and all that. How

12:04

did all of that connect then when

12:06

you moved into this haunted house and

12:09

then you kind of realized, oh, there's other

12:11

things that are happening too that I really

12:13

can't quite explain? Yeah,

12:16

the thing with this house is even to

12:18

this day, I know

12:21

it's going to sound cliche, but

12:23

my bedroom in that house always

12:26

had flies in the window. So

12:28

automatically everybody thinks, oh, Amityville type

12:30

thing. But

12:33

to this day, I'm going

12:35

to be 50 years old this year and

12:37

I still have nightmares about that bedroom in

12:39

that house. And what had happened

12:41

was, I think it was about 13 or 14

12:44

years old and I

12:47

grew up on the lower west side of

12:49

Buffalo, New York, which is a very historic

12:51

area. There's

12:53

been a lot of history and stuff like that

12:55

as far as the war of 1812 and stuff

12:58

like that.

13:01

And where I lived across the street from

13:03

me, I don't

13:05

know if you have them in the area that

13:08

you're in, but those Mr. Softy ice cream trucks

13:11

that go around and they sell ice cream

13:13

or whatever, where their factory used to be across the

13:16

street from my house. And

13:19

this is relevant to the story. So

13:22

we're sitting there, me and my buddy, he was

13:25

staying over and I think my mom was out

13:27

and I was watching my younger brother who I

13:29

think was like three at the time. And

13:32

we lived in an upstairs apartment and

13:34

the upstairs apartment and a downstairs apartment

13:36

were exactly the same as far as

13:39

the setup. So there

13:41

was a living room, a dining room, the

13:43

bathroom, and then right across from the bathroom

13:45

was my little brother's room and

13:48

then the kitchen and then in the

13:50

back of the house

13:53

was my bedroom and my mom's

13:55

bedroom was off the dining room. And

13:58

so I'm sitting up. there and we're

14:01

watching TV and it's probably like 11

14:03

o'clock at night and out

14:05

of the corner of my eye I

14:07

caught something

14:11

go from the bathroom into

14:13

my brother's room now

14:15

I thought it was my little brother going to

14:17

the bathroom so I got up and I

14:20

went and I checked on him and he was sound asleep

14:23

so I went back and I sat down

14:25

and then I heard my downstairs neighbor scream

14:29

and I was like oh well that you know that's kind

14:31

of weird you know I wonder what's going on so the

14:34

next day I asked her

14:36

I said you know was everything okay

14:38

I heard you scream last night and

14:41

she's like I don't want to talk about it and

14:43

I'm like well why

14:45

not she's like oh because you know it was

14:48

kind of like a weird type

14:51

experience and I said well you

14:53

know last night I thought I seen somebody walk

14:56

from the bathroom into my my

14:59

brother's room and she's

15:01

like oh my god her

15:04

grandson's room was right below my brother's

15:06

room and she said she's seen a

15:08

little girl walk out of her

15:11

grandson's room into the bathroom so

15:14

it was like doing a circle yeah through

15:17

that so now that got me Pete

15:19

and I've always been kind of like

15:22

a history nerd I've always been good

15:24

with history I went and

15:26

I did some research on

15:29

that particular area and this is

15:31

where the mr. softy factory comes

15:33

into play back

15:36

in the 30s 40 ish

15:39

era when the factory

15:41

was still there and active a little girl

15:43

was hit by an ice cream truck out

15:45

front of my house and killed so

15:49

that kind of put two and two together

15:51

for me yeah as far as that experience

15:53

but it went on

15:55

to be more in that

15:58

place than just that I

16:00

was really big into CB radios when

16:02

I was younger and

16:05

I was terrified of my attic

16:07

in that apartment house.

16:12

I would go up to the attic to mount my

16:14

CB antenna and I always

16:16

felt like something was watching me so I

16:19

would just hurry up and just run downstairs

16:22

back to my house. I

16:26

was petrified of going up in the

16:28

attic and like

16:31

I said to this day I still have

16:33

nightmares about that, you know,

16:35

like the room with the, my room

16:37

with the flies in the window, you know, like

16:40

hearing voices in there. Although

16:42

I don't remember ever hearing anything

16:45

but I remember the fear that I

16:47

felt being up in that attic and

16:49

feeling like something was watching me and

16:51

I truly feel like there was something

16:54

there. Even

16:57

now if I go past that

16:59

house it just freaks me

17:01

out a little bit because it's like I

17:04

wonder if the people that are living there

17:06

now are having any experiences and sometimes I

17:08

just want to stop

17:11

and ask but I never do. What's

17:14

your take on this? I mean the idea that,

17:17

you know, there was an innocent girl who was

17:19

hit by the ice cream truck and

17:21

killed but then this

17:24

fear, this feeling that you had in

17:26

that house, I mean that's

17:29

not necessarily something that you would think, you

17:31

know, a little girl if she's haunting it

17:33

would, you know, be out to instill

17:35

in anybody. You know, like I can't imagine she's

17:38

suddenly turned evil or something like that. Is

17:41

it more so just the kind

17:44

of the processing of it as a human of oh

17:46

my god there's something paranormal going on that you kind

17:48

of take it to that dark place or

17:51

do you think that it really was

17:53

the little girl that was there or

17:55

was it something else that was there

17:57

that made you fear?

18:00

feel that fear is what I'm

18:02

trying to say. Honestly, if

18:04

I had the answer to that, I guess I

18:06

wouldn't be doing what I'm doing now. But

18:11

I do feel that there

18:15

was probably something more there because like

18:17

I said, that being a historic area,

18:21

you know, when I lived there, you

18:23

know, it was relatively safe.

18:26

But back in the

18:29

30s and the 20s during prohibition in

18:31

that area, being so close to Canada,

18:34

there was a lot of mob activity that

18:36

went on, especially in the neighborhood

18:39

I lived in was all Italian

18:41

and German. So

18:44

there were a lot of mob ties in

18:46

that area. So I don't know, maybe something

18:48

had happened on that, the house

18:50

or the property. I mean, I

18:53

know the house was built in

18:55

the early 1900s. But

18:59

that's, you know, as far as the history of

19:02

the house, that's all I really, really

19:04

know about that. So

19:08

yeah, as far as that goes, I mean, it's

19:12

just one of those things that, you know, again,

19:14

it was something that piqued my interest. Like

19:17

I said, being a history nerd, I wanted to know as

19:19

much as I can. So I went and got a bunch of

19:21

books. And you know, the main

19:23

thing for me was the Warrens,

19:25

their book, The Demonologist, to this

19:27

day still scares the living Jesus

19:29

out of me. Just

19:32

to know that they experienced

19:35

that stuff and that it was true.

19:37

And you know, the franchise movies that

19:40

are out now, you know,

19:42

are all based on them stories. And

19:44

you know, I remember reading those stories

19:46

and being like, Oh, come on, you

19:48

know, it's like, this is

19:50

a little too good to be true. But

19:54

like I said, I've had experiences

19:56

now doing what I'm doing. And,

19:59

you know, Freshly working with

20:01

dan class and are being part of

20:03

the in the house. I'll

20:06

tell you it's been a wild ride

20:08

the past couple years I bet it

20:10

and will get to that a little

20:12

big city. Want to talk about the

20:15

Hinsdale House we talked about in the

20:17

program several times are in the past

20:19

and with Dan himself and others. Ah,

20:21

but let's let's talk more about your

20:23

experiences that he is. You have these

20:26

experiences prior to going through a near

20:28

death experience in Two Thousand and Five,

20:30

so it wasn't as if that two

20:32

thousand and five experience certainly opens you

20:34

up to the paranormal. You already It's

20:37

kind of had this the it was

20:39

there at me. Now I like not

20:41

going to speak for you and say

20:43

you are sensitive prior to that but

20:45

I mean you tell me I mean

20:47

what what was the the thing that

20:49

that really pena made you feel like

20:51

you were opened up more after that

20:54

two thousand and five experience When you

20:56

compare to the rest of your life

20:58

where you already in you would have

21:00

some experiences their I did it did

21:02

it somehow open that veil even more

21:04

for him. I

21:07

think it really did. Ah,

21:09

I'm. Leona. Like I said

21:12

at the time I had split

21:14

from my wife and I had

21:16

moved to D C. were all

21:19

this happened and Dom. Leno

21:22

after I'll a house but I

21:24

was staying with my best friend

21:26

in his girlfriend and I. We

21:28

live like a half a mile

21:30

from the Pentagon so as a

21:32

very very historic Gary I lived

21:34

in and I would notice that

21:36

I would be getting ceilings when

21:38

we were driving around. Now I

21:40

just had brain surgery so I'm

21:42

thinking you know? Okay, maybe this

21:45

is just short. You know something,

21:47

You know your light of what

21:49

I'm looking for, the logical essentially

21:51

of of wipe. My yeah,

21:53

Ray Ray. And you know.

21:56

I. Would. I. Don't want

21:58

to say I would fears and. But I guess

22:00

I would feel things and they would seem real.

22:03

To me. And

22:06

I know nobody else was

22:08

experiencing the same things that

22:10

I was. So.

22:12

I didn't really wanna say anything because

22:15

like I said, I just had this

22:17

major surgery and apologize for that. I

22:21

just had this major surgery. And.

22:25

Ah, I'm. Today want

22:27

People are saying that this is.

22:31

In. All part is part of

22:33

ah, the recovery from the surgery.

22:35

Or maybe I'm just totally messed

22:37

up from what happened. So ah,

22:40

I'm. So as time

22:42

went on I started to notice that

22:44

I had the ability to read people.

22:46

And when I see read people, I

22:49

don't mean like you know, size a

22:51

mop. I mean like. I

22:53

can sense. Things.

22:56

About them. I could sense if they're upset.

22:59

I. Can send sister happy you

23:01

know or something terrible is

23:03

going on in their lives.

23:07

But. Again, it's just something that I

23:09

kind of talk back because I didn't

23:11

wanna be though you know, the weird

23:13

friend in a house. so I. I

23:15

kind of tuck it back and just kind of

23:17

went out with my life and are. You.

23:21

Know after everything happened I had to give up

23:23

a few things that. You. Know we're

23:25

We're very. Important to me

23:27

Grown up like hockey and. I

23:30

was afraid that I was in

23:33

a lose my ability to be

23:35

a musician, but luckily I didn't,

23:37

ah, I'm sorry, can I just

23:39

went on with things? Then

23:42

was offered an opportunity.

23:45

To. Get into film which is something I

23:47

didn't wanna do. I had

23:49

no. And inspiration

23:51

to do it and of kind of

23:53

forced into it and fell in love with

23:56

an addict that's a kind of led

23:58

me to where I'm at. That's

24:00

why I brought that up to head over. To.

24:03

Panels maker or bridge their journey

24:05

from from them. the there are

24:08

two from there to hear. What

24:11

will we set like knowing When you

24:13

are you are feeling these things you're

24:15

You're sensing these things you know others

24:17

are not sensing and you also are

24:19

very aware you just had brain surgery.

24:21

I mean either there has to be

24:23

a level where your your second guessing

24:25

yourself going. Is this a be? This

24:27

is my new normal him. I always

24:29

gonna kind of feel this way where

24:31

I feel kind of often I'm seeing

24:33

and hearing things that others are not.

24:36

Ah but it's not paranormal, it's just.

24:38

My. Mind firing and in ways that

24:40

are not be know what what what

24:42

they would have been A or me

24:44

how do you bridge that gap to

24:47

eventually say. This. Is

24:49

not a repercussion of the

24:51

surgery. This is actually happening. Well.

24:56

The thing is is after you

24:58

know split with my wife and

25:00

then you know moving to another

25:02

city leaving my kids. And

25:05

ah, he basically rebuilding

25:07

my life after being

25:09

with somebody for thirteen

25:11

years. Yeah, I'm. In

25:14

I went through a bad depression. I was

25:16

a you know I was really depressed and

25:18

then you know within five months. After.

25:21

That I'm in the hospital flight for my

25:23

life insurance you know they base. They basically

25:26

told my best friend who I was staying

25:28

with that. Ah, My

25:30

probably only had like six months

25:32

to live in that he needed

25:34

a call. My family ah they

25:36

they toll on I had a

25:39

tumor and my brain stamina was

25:41

inoperable in you know that So

25:43

very know you're going through. The.

25:45

App be Been going through all that

25:48

and then coming out of it. You

25:50

know, And trying to

25:52

go back because I had a really good

25:55

job when I moved to be safe and

25:57

are trying to get back in the that

25:59

and. Not being able to

26:01

do that anymore because I couldn't

26:03

keep my my focus on anything.

26:05

And then you know being depressed

26:08

and try new seek help for

26:10

that. Ah I'm. And. Then

26:12

having this. These. Feelings.

26:14

You know that I to sense things honestly.

26:16

To be one hundred percent honest with you,

26:19

I thought I was losing my mind. I.

26:22

Thought I was I was going down a

26:24

spiral that there wasn't going to be any

26:26

coming back from. And.

26:29

Down. Luckily that wasn't the

26:31

case. You know? I was

26:33

able to. To.

26:35

Get better and and move back. To.

26:37

Our western New York here. And.

26:41

I. Got

26:43

God And like I said, got into

26:45

some stuff that led to me a

26:47

meeting up with Dan and getting into

26:49

the paranormal and stuff like that and

26:51

then realizing that. Okay,

26:53

there would. There was a reason all

26:56

this happened, Sir No, not at all

26:58

makes sense to me. Now I mean

27:00

how how did you do that? How

27:02

how did you take your life from

27:04

that senators him as a night Missouri

27:07

Paranormal question or anything like that is

27:09

more of an inspiration type. Questions of

27:11

you are or it's such dire straits

27:13

where doctors are saying this isn't gonna

27:15

work or even how did you come

27:18

out of that a you know and

27:20

and be able to talk with us

27:22

today as you are. Well

27:25

the thing is is awesome.

27:29

You know, I had much

27:31

of my grandmother dying of

27:33

cancer Cancer unfortunately runs in

27:35

the women of my family.

27:37

I lost my great grandmother,

27:39

my grandmother, my mother, and

27:41

my aunt's all the different

27:43

forms of cancer and damn

27:45

I'd seen to there is.

27:48

Some. Kind of acceptance when you're

27:50

dealing with that kind of loss. Theirs

27:54

and acceptance that you build inside yourself

27:56

to accept things that you know you

27:58

can't change. And when

28:01

all this happened to me. I

28:04

guess I just i I came to a

28:06

point where was like look at you know

28:08

if this is the and this is the

28:10

and there's not been I'm gonna do to

28:13

stop at I can pray it's i can

28:15

you know do all this stuff but if

28:17

it's my time it's my time and there

28:19

is no way I could stop it and

28:21

I think having that mentality. Allowed

28:25

me to persevere and.

28:28

Deal with things a little better

28:30

than I was dealing with. I'm.

28:32

At the end and you end

28:35

up weird in even greater sense

28:37

of life I and for life

28:39

and grace of to yourself in

28:41

life and others when when you

28:43

are able to come out of

28:46

that feeling like this is the

28:48

end and really believing it is

28:50

and what they somehow with the

28:52

tables turn enough to go. Meet.

28:55

It's not. I mean that

28:57

that's gotta be a turning point for you were it's

28:59

like oh my gosh, I mean how. I

29:02

suddenly you get like the second lease

29:04

on life that you thought was never

29:06

going to happen. I mean a that

29:09

that's that in itself is an amazing

29:11

experience. It does that then translate into.

29:15

A greater sensitivity as well. Because

29:17

of that awareness. I.

29:19

Think that it does because I

29:22

always tell people if you knew

29:24

me before. That. Happened

29:26

to me. You're probably won't like

29:28

me and I'm and I don't mean

29:30

that I was a bad person. But.

29:34

You know, I was amused. I've been

29:36

a musician since I was fourteen years

29:38

old and I was playing in bars

29:40

in the eighties and stuff like dad

29:42

and I was a drummer so you

29:44

know the what they say, a larger

29:46

Amherst So I'm. You. Know

29:48

I was kind of. You know?

29:51

i'm okay i was a do

29:53

spend a lot a of course

29:56

now right out there us ah

29:58

you know i It

30:00

was the 80s, you know, I I used

30:03

a lot of women. I mean And

30:07

I also had a really bad drinking

30:10

problem back then, you know Be playing

30:12

in bars at 14 and you know

30:14

having people slip in your shots sure

30:17

and you know stuff like that You know,

30:19

you start to develop a habit good

30:21

luck getting on without having one. Yeah exactly

30:25

And I always tell people that the

30:28

end of the 80s into the early

30:30

90s is a blur for me because

30:34

of Everything that was going on

30:36

in my life and my lifestyle Fortunately,

30:39

I never I never

30:41

did drugs I

30:45

lost a lot of good friends back then

30:47

to you know heroin and you

30:49

know harder drugs like that I mean I

30:52

smoke pot. I mean who hasn't really But

30:56

as far as like the harder stuff I'm

30:58

terrified of needles So that was always the

31:00

ongoing joke with my mom. You never have

31:02

to worry about me doing hardcore drugs. I'm

31:05

terrified of needles. Yeah But

31:09

yeah Yeah,

31:12

I always tell people and they don't believe that

31:14

that's the kind of person that I was But

31:17

after what happened to me, it gave me

31:19

a Different

31:22

outlook on life like

31:24

okay. Well, I'm here for a reason

31:26

if I wasn't here for

31:28

a reason it would have been over I

31:32

Mean and everybody says well, you're probably here

31:34

for your kids well, you know,

31:36

my kids are in their their mid-20s

31:38

now and You

31:41

know, they don't really need me Mm-hmm, and

31:43

I'm still here sure so there's there's

31:45

got to be a greater purpose for me

31:48

and you know All

31:51

this happened to me in 2005 when I was 35 years old. So imagine being 35

31:57

years old and being faced with your own

31:59

mortality. Sure So

32:01

I you know everybody has their

32:03

bucket list. Well I started living my

32:05

bucket list you know I always wanted

32:07

to I always wanted to storm

32:10

chase so I became a storm chase so

32:12

you know I went around chasing tornadoes and

32:14

stuff like that kind of living on the

32:16

edge and everybody was calling me an adrenaline

32:18

junkie and Stuff like that

32:20

and it had nothing to do with it It was just

32:22

you know, there's things I still want to do and there's

32:24

still things now that I want to do sure But

32:28

you know, I learned how to scuba dive so,

32:31

you know, I did some scuba diving

32:33

for a while and Just

32:36

kind of getting things Out

32:40

of the way so that if something did happen

32:43

to me I wasn't

32:45

one of those people that are stuck here

32:47

because You didn't

32:49

accomplish what you wanted to accomplish. Mm-hmm

32:53

Um So, yeah,

32:55

I mean I've had I've had a very

32:58

exciting life up until this point and

33:02

It's still getting exciting. I mean doing what I'm doing

33:04

now and getting to see the things that I see

33:06

and I Mean, it's

33:08

just it's just crazy. I never thought in

33:10

a million years. I'd be doing what I'm

33:13

doing and I'm

33:16

very grateful for that and I'm very grateful

33:18

for being able to do that Because

33:21

a lot of people don't recover from

33:23

what I went through sure twice. Yeah,

33:25

exactly That's gonna wrap up part one

33:27

of our conversation in part two What

33:29

led Kevin to dive deeper into the

33:31

paranormal after nearly losing his life? How

33:34

did the zombie movie lead to Kevin being

33:36

involved with the paranormal on a deeper level?

33:39

What went through Kevin's mind as

33:42

a scratch slowly formed in real

33:44

time on his back and on

33:46

camera? Does Kevin feel that

33:48

the dead could communicate with him easier because

33:50

of his near that his near-death?

33:52

Experiences and what kind of dark

33:55

spirits lurk within the Hinsdale

33:57

house until next time For

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