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The world of the paranormal is filled

2:46

with investigators. The passion for the paranormal

2:49

is often sparked in very different ways

2:51

and leads each one on unique

2:54

paths. Today we hear the

2:56

story of Dylan Lane, his drive to

2:58

better understand the dead and where his

3:00

journey has taken him on the grave

3:02

talks. Well for me it's

3:05

kind of different than most stories. Most people you know

3:07

grew up in a haunted house and stuff

3:09

but that's not it for me. For me it

3:12

was growing up I was

3:14

actually quite terrified of this kind of stuff.

3:16

Whenever I hated horror movies you

3:18

know every single time my family put

3:20

a horror movie on I went up in the

3:22

other room. It wasn't until I was in the 6th grade

3:25

my school took a trip

3:28

to a local fort that was used

3:30

by the Buffalo Soldiers here during the

3:32

Western expansion and

3:35

the story is that inside officers

3:37

quarters one Commander

3:40

Greerson's daughter

3:42

Edith died of typhoid fever right

3:44

after her 13th birthday. It was

3:47

right after right before but it was right around

3:49

her 13th birthday she died of typhoid fever and

3:51

she's known to you know occupy

3:53

the OQ-1 and

3:55

throughout the rest of the locations

3:57

on the fort. We're

4:01

all standing outside, I'm with the rest of my class, and I

4:03

look up in the window and I see, like,

4:05

this girl, roughly about

4:07

my age, at the time,

4:10

staring back at us, just looking at us.

4:13

And it was the upstairs section. I thought I was going to

4:15

be a student, but we weren't allowed to go in the upstairs

4:17

section because it was all roped off. She was

4:20

looking at us through the upstairs window and I'm like,

4:22

I look at the teacher and I ask the curators

4:24

to support. I think there's a

4:26

student up there, and they just kind of, like, the

4:28

teacher thought so too, and she went to talk to them

4:30

as well, and they were like, just brushed it off. It's

4:33

not a student. They

4:36

called it another residence of the fort. And

4:40

that right there is pretty much my first experience. I

4:42

saw a full-bodied apparition. So

4:44

you have this experience at the

4:46

fort. You see this full-bodied apparition.

4:49

Do you, I know you'd mentioned it, you

4:51

know, while you're in the, with your class

4:54

and such, does anyone else

4:56

see it? Does anyone else experience it, or does everybody

4:58

kind of look at you like, oh yeah, I'm sure

5:00

you saw that. Not

5:03

everybody else is kind of

5:06

mingling amongst themselves. I was the one

5:08

that saw it, and I told

5:10

my teacher about it, like I said, because we, you know,

5:12

I just assumed that she just said that it

5:14

was a student that maybe I got cut off

5:16

from the rest of the, one of the classes

5:18

that were there and went up there and curators

5:24

in the fort were just like, nah, don't worry about

5:26

it. We'll take

5:28

a look, but there's not going to be a student

5:30

up there. They kind of, they kind of

5:32

brushed it off a little bit. It says

5:34

most likely just one of the residents of

5:36

the fort. Sure. So

5:38

they knew it. They've experienced it. It wasn't

5:41

anything new for them. I know

5:43

you took some time there. And

5:45

as you continue to develop your

5:47

interest in all this, did you

5:49

have any other experiences in

5:52

childhood before kind of jumping deeper into this as

5:54

you got older? Not

5:58

really, no. that was

6:00

what sparked my interest and throughout

6:03

the next

6:06

six years, it was just

6:08

like, not so

6:10

much experiences, but just a lot of research. And,

6:12

you know, like I said,

6:14

watching the shows that drove that drove my

6:18

curiosity deeper and deeper and deeper into making me

6:21

want to actually, you know, let you know, I

6:23

pick up a camera and just record a k2

6:25

meter and just lunge into it. And I've

6:27

been hooked ever since

6:29

really try and find more out. So,

6:31

so tell me how that that evolution

6:33

went. You started picking up a camera

6:35

and a tape recorder and wanted to

6:37

start seeing, you know, what else was

6:40

out there? How many things can you

6:42

capture and things of that nature? Tell

6:44

me how that went? What was did?

6:46

How did that journey begin where you

6:48

actually started to find some

6:50

things as you dug? Right.

6:54

It started out with me and my buddies. We were all

6:56

in high school and we're just, it

6:59

was after one of the episodes

7:01

of ghost ventures where it's kind

7:03

of like, you know, let's get this a try. So we went, you

7:06

know, back in back then they're not gonna locations

7:08

aren't going to let, you know, high school students

7:10

run around their place and

7:13

stuff to look for ghosts, you know,

7:15

because most places around here are kind of like, uh,

7:18

what? Sure. So, and

7:21

so we kind of just, you know, did our own thing,

7:23

went up to cemeteries and stuff at night to see how

7:25

it worked. One of my buddies houses,

7:27

we captured some insanely

7:30

incredible EVPs there

7:33

with that tape recorder. And we're like, you

7:35

know what, let's, let's try to do something

7:37

more with this. So once we all graduated

7:39

high school, we all turned 18. That's when

7:41

we really started to actually try to find locations that

7:43

we can rent out and, and

7:46

investigate for real. So

7:49

you, you captured the EVPs. What, what did

7:51

you hear on those and where were you?

7:55

We were inside his house. My buddy's house that

7:57

was part of the member of the team. because

8:00

you can see that we had at the time. And

8:03

we're just digging in his closet. We had

8:05

the tape recorder going and we saw some notes that

8:07

were written by a girl at the

8:09

school. And we're just like, we set her

8:11

name and whatever. We captured the EVP right

8:13

there. It said, yeah, that was her name.

8:16

And there's several others. And

8:19

we're just having a conversation. All of a sudden there'll be

8:21

an extra voice there that says, I'm

8:24

gonna F you up. So it's, I'm

8:27

ready to fight. What is

8:29

the story on the girl and

8:31

the notes and why this EVP

8:34

or why this voice is coming through in connection

8:36

with her? Well,

8:39

she had been to the house several times

8:41

and we don't really know the story

8:43

behind it. We just know that there was a

8:45

girl in our school, she

8:48

used to write notes to everybody, I guess so it was just her

8:50

thing to do. And we found

8:52

a bunch of women in my buddy's

8:54

closet and it just happened to say,

8:56

yeah, that was her name. Whether it's

8:59

actually referring

9:01

to her herself or another person by that

9:03

name that the spirit may have known. Do

9:06

you know who this girl was? Yeah,

9:10

I knew who the girl at

9:12

the school that was writing the notes were. But

9:14

as far as like made the reference from the

9:16

spirit now. If it's her herself

9:18

or somebody else. Is she dead? The same

9:20

name possibly. No, she's alive.

9:23

Okay. She

9:25

used to come to the house with

9:27

a lot. So just interesting that the

9:29

spirit recognized her. So you have this

9:32

almost threatening voice saying I'm going to

9:34

fuck you up. How

9:38

do you all handle that when the dead are

9:40

telling you and directly threatening you? It's

9:44

weird for us because we've always

9:46

been trying to, a

9:49

lot of people out there would

9:52

like try to

9:55

turn away from that. For us, it was more

9:57

like intriguing. Like when stuff like

9:59

that happened. I'm all about no,

10:02

but I want to capture the evidence no matter what kind

10:04

of evidence it is so long as

10:06

it's not physically like You

10:09

know, what's what things get

10:11

actual actually physical? That's when I kind of

10:14

back off, but I don't like

10:16

turn around and tag on eyes But it was more

10:18

intriguing for us and we just kind of like

10:20

brushed it off And try to

10:22

figure out what exactly what was going on and who that

10:24

was cuz I was a totally different voice From

10:26

the other one big capture probably about four or

10:29

five different voices from that house What was the

10:31

thought process going in and taking EVPs at his

10:33

house? Did he have things that were going on

10:35

and they were curious to see what was happening

10:38

or was it more just let's see if we

10:40

can Get EVPs here Well

10:43

at first before we even started doing this we used

10:45

to go I used to you know Just hang

10:48

out at his house overnight and stuff a lot and we

10:50

just random things would happen like one time We're

10:52

just chilling in his room Playing

10:55

on the Xbox and all of a sudden

10:57

his his door would just Unclick

10:59

and open and we're thinking like okay is your

11:01

mom about to walk in or something and it's

11:03

just like and he's like hello Who's

11:06

out there and we go out his room was

11:08

connected to the kitchen and there's nobody outside.

11:11

Everybody's asleep and Another

11:14

time before that I was out of town in my grandparents house, but

11:16

I was on the phone with my buddies They were at the house

11:19

and all of a sudden the guy I

11:21

was on the phone with Anthony He starts

11:24

having a foreign panic attack on the phone

11:26

like hyperventilating stuff because he says he saw

11:28

a Woman's

11:31

face over Josh's right shoulder

11:33

like glowing like a glowing woman's face and

11:37

That right there is what really made us want

11:39

to be like, okay Let's just every time we're

11:41

over there when we're not doing

11:43

anything We're just killing we'll just turn a tape recorder

11:45

on to start recording to see what we pick up

11:48

or just we'll just have a conversation We won't actively

11:50

try to we won't actively try to

11:52

Communicate because for some reason when it came to

11:54

that house when we tried to

11:57

communicate or try to document the evidence

11:59

It would nothing And then the next thing would

12:01

happen. You're only whenever we're just not sure, just

12:03

hanging out. And we just had like a

12:05

quarter sitting on the desk recording is when

12:07

we'd capture it. More

12:09

on their terms than yours. Yeah,

12:12

exactly. Because wow, I mean,

12:14

so that would be very, that would definitely be very

12:16

intriguing. Right. And

12:19

it was always like intelligent because a

12:22

lot of times they would say things that

12:24

were pertaining to the conversation. And like earlier,

12:26

whenever I was talking about how we

12:29

found the letters from the girl and that

12:32

he had in the closet and it

12:34

was there at the EVP was pertaining to that

12:36

particular person. It was so it's

12:39

a very intelligent connecting

12:41

with the conversation. Yeah, the

12:44

fact that it was, it was, yeah, connecting

12:46

with what you guys were saying and

12:48

making its own commentary, if you will.

12:51

So how did things progress from

12:53

your capturing EVPs at your friend's

12:56

haunted house to getting out

12:58

and doing more investigating? What was your

13:00

thought process there? What were your goals

13:03

with going out and trying

13:05

to investigate beyond, you know, just

13:07

your circle of friends? That

13:12

started whenever we met. I had a buddy that

13:14

reached out to me on Facebook. We

13:18

had the team concert Valley paranormal. We had our own

13:20

page and stuff because we wanted to make

13:22

a YouTube channel. We wanted to start

13:25

the whole production side of things and actually

13:28

film our investigations. And

13:30

so we needed locations. So I started reaching

13:32

out to other more experienced

13:34

teams at the time or

13:36

older people. And

13:39

we go out there and do

13:42

stuff with him. And so he brought us

13:44

to our very first location, which was like

13:46

a an old hotel turned into

13:48

a museum and we

13:50

catch some stuff there. We went to an old

13:52

dorm house and captured some amazing stuff there. And

13:54

that right there really wanted me to give

13:57

out there and start documenting evidence at

14:00

larger commercialized locations such

14:02

as hospitals hotels museums

14:06

things that nature So

14:10

where where were some of the first places

14:12

that you then decided to visit based on

14:15

them That

14:18

first location like I said, it was that hotel

14:20

I can't remember exactly What

14:22

it was called. It was a town of Rankin, which is

14:25

just a small little high by town Not

14:27

too far from me Then

14:30

there's that then right after that the

14:32

very second location we went to was Solrath

14:35

State University and in

14:39

Alpine, Texas and We

14:42

did it one of the old dorm houses there at

14:44

mountainside and we kept

14:46

we had my I had a sb-7 spirit

14:48

box going and We

14:50

captured it. It was a deep rental

14:52

voicing that

14:54

came through and it

14:57

was Yeah,

15:00

right there really wanted me make me go out

15:02

and do like I said No more commercialized side

15:04

of things because that night after

15:06

that most we were only not building 30

15:09

minutes We captured that after that everybody else

15:11

that was in the group wanted to get

15:13

up at least Anthony

15:15

and I and a couple of those people that were with us We

15:18

wanted to stay but the curator had to go

15:20

with the guy who wanted to leave so we

15:22

ought to get out the building But the rest of us were able to

15:24

stay and the other dorm house that we were

15:26

investigating We stayed and slept

15:28

there and the people that were

15:30

with us had a recorder going while we slept

15:32

and captured probably be great emails

15:35

intelligent hair-raising EBP

15:39

I've ever heard of my life and I left

15:41

asked it for like a whole minute and a half It's

15:44

like three voices yelling and screaming at each

15:46

other What

15:50

was it was a yelling and screaming

15:52

pertaining Was it pertaining

15:54

to things that you guys were talking about

15:56

or was it almost like you're

15:58

almost getting a glitz? into the

16:00

other side and how they're

16:03

interacting one-on-one. It

16:07

was more like them interacting because they

16:09

were... it sounded like... at

16:11

first it sounded like a woman saying don't

16:13

make me laugh and then it sounded like

16:15

two other male voices screaming

16:17

you know fuck Beverly and stuff like that

16:20

which is crazy because Beverly is

16:22

the female spirits name there who was either

16:25

we don't know the story yet but she

16:27

was either it was either suicide or murder

16:29

that occurred in that dorm house back in

16:32

the 70s her name was Beverly so

16:34

and we were asleep when this happened

16:38

and it literally sounds like three people yelling

16:40

and screaming at each other and

16:43

it just picked it up by itself Wow what

16:46

is that if I go hoping it in half and

16:49

and I'd like to hear more about that but let's

16:51

go back to the hotel the one that you the

16:53

one of the first ones that you investigated tell

16:56

me that story what was it like going in

16:58

for the first time and and what happened yeah

17:02

that place it really didn't uh intrigue

17:04

me too much because not so much

17:06

happened there it was kind of you

17:09

know like one of those places you know where it

17:12

really that's that that right there showed me in

17:14

the paranormal that it's not all you

17:16

know in your face all the time it's gonna there's

17:18

gonna be moments where nothing's gonna happen and

17:20

that was that was it right there it

17:23

was but like some little things

17:25

happened here some knocks one thing

17:27

one of the doors opened and shut on saw and I

17:29

was about it there

17:32

were no I went back and look at the players

17:34

there was no there was

17:36

more like personal experiences for other people than

17:38

for me okay so

17:41

the university that what you went to

17:43

what was the was that basically the

17:45

story of the woman that had died

17:48

in the 70s suicide or murder

17:50

we don't really okay that's

17:53

what drove us to there that's how we

17:55

knew because the people that we went with

17:57

had already been there before and they got

17:59

documents some stuff. So they invited us out for

18:01

their second trip. And we

18:04

decided to, you know, start, start

18:06

our investigation based on that story.

18:09

And we weren't really picking anything up at that point, except

18:12

like, you know, very emotional stuff, one of the people

18:14

that one of the ladies that was with us, she

18:16

started crying, she was able to pick up on I

18:19

guess, I guess it was Beverly. And,

18:23

and then the other dorm house, which was

18:25

has been shut down the mountainside one, which

18:27

is captured that voice on the spirit

18:29

box, we don't really know about

18:31

all that. That whole story, but the

18:33

one in the main place that we went

18:35

to that was the whole story behind it. That's what we

18:37

based our investigation off of

18:40

was, you know, the story

18:42

of Beverly in the 70s, and we wanted to

18:44

find out more. But from what we captured there,

18:46

I have a feeling that it wasn't

18:48

so much as suicide as it

18:50

wasn't maybe foul play. Just

18:54

by the energy and the what you had heard that

18:56

you picked up on. Yeah.

19:00

What's your goal when you went into a place like

19:02

that? Is it just to capture evidence and to, you

19:04

know, get some thrills out of it and

19:06

say, Look at this, we found something that

19:08

pertains to kind of connect the

19:10

story together? Or what exactly do you have in mind

19:13

when you go in? Yeah,

19:16

my, my, our goal is when we

19:18

go into locations to document the evidence

19:20

of, you know, the paranormal activity

19:22

that's occurring there, but also to try to

19:25

either prove or disprove

19:27

the occurrences that other people have had

19:29

or the, you know, the historical stories

19:31

that people tell

19:34

because, you know, over time, and

19:36

this pertains to all events throughout history,

19:39

over time, there's going to be a lot of

19:41

embellishment. You know, things are going to change, stories

19:43

going to change. So I try to use this

19:45

as a way to maybe see

19:47

if this story is true or that story

19:49

is true. Because for every location I've been

19:52

to, I've heard over

19:54

a dozen different things pertaining to one event.

19:58

Yeah, over time, people are going to. to end up

20:00

adding a little more spice to it

20:03

as it goes along and then the

20:06

reality of what occurred maybe far from what

20:08

the story is at that point in time.

20:10

Give me an example of something like that

20:12

where you've heard stories and as you've done

20:14

research and you went in and took a

20:16

look at it, you

20:19

discovered maybe the stories were not

20:21

so accurate as to what reality

20:23

is. Well,

20:26

there's this one location that we've been to and

20:30

where they say it was a

20:32

murder suicide

20:35

thing and

20:38

just the activity that occurred there just kind of

20:40

made me feel like, okay,

20:43

maybe it was that but

20:45

not in the sense of

20:47

the emotional, like

20:50

they try to make it extremely dramatic. They

20:54

told us it was this

20:56

and there's hair on

20:58

the walls and blood

21:01

on the walls and stuff. We've

21:03

had forensics experts. It's

21:06

an unsolved case. I'm sitting

21:08

here thinking like, if it's an

21:10

unsolved case, aren't you even supposed to be

21:14

talking about it? You

21:16

know what I'm saying? You

21:21

say you had forensics experts to come and do all these

21:23

tests and stuff and I'm sitting here thinking like, I

21:27

thought all that kind of stuff was supposed to

21:29

be confidential. It's not supposed

21:31

to be commercialized. That's

21:34

why I'm sitting here thinking to myself like, okay,

21:37

maybe this did happen but

21:39

the whole after story of it

21:42

is not exactly how it's

21:44

hard to explain. How far back

21:47

in this or back in time did they

21:49

say the crimes occurred? I

21:54

say anywhere else like during

21:57

the 30s, I believe, because the place I guess

21:59

you see be a speakeasy in

22:01

the 20s 30s during the speakeasy

22:04

during the prohibition of Great Depression

22:06

era. So there's no stuff

22:08

like that. There's no telling what could have

22:10

happened. Well, and there's no forensic. There's no

22:12

forensic experts that was going to go in

22:14

and come to any conclusion for

22:16

something that occurred in the 1930s. Exactly.

22:20

I mean, I understand that

22:23

under the right conditions, bloodstains and stuff can

22:25

remain visible for decades, but I

22:27

have a feeling I don't think that

22:29

stuff is going to be

22:32

sitting on the wall like that forever,

22:34

especially hair particles. No, no.

22:36

I mean, I think sometimes people

22:39

will embellish to make the situation

22:42

sound scarier than it actually

22:44

is. Give me some examples of some

22:46

of the cases that you've investigated that

22:49

stand out to you the most. I

22:54

mean, I love this location to death

22:56

and the people there are just absolutely

22:58

the people who are on is absolutely

23:00

amazing. I see old Park Hotel in

23:03

Ballinger, Texas. It's probably

23:05

the best location I've ever been to. I've investigated

23:07

it well over 17 times. It's not just

23:10

because it's only 30 minutes from

23:12

me. It's because it's just

23:14

that location. It's one

23:16

of those. I have this theory where

23:18

every investigator is going to find their,

23:20

I call it their home front, which

23:23

is the location that's going to

23:25

stick to them the most. Every investigator

23:27

is going to find that one place. It

23:30

may happen today, may happen tomorrow, 10 years from

23:32

now, but it's going to happen. And this location

23:34

is definitely that for me. What's

23:36

the history? What's the story of this hotel? It's

23:43

been well over a dozen different things, but it was built back

23:46

in 1886. We believe that's how

23:48

far back the records go, but it may be even

23:50

older than that. But the Ballinger city

23:52

records show it's a bit from

23:54

1886 to now, but anyway, they, And

24:01

it started out as just a

24:03

family home and then it became

24:05

broader into a hotel. It

24:07

was a bordello twice, a schoolhouse. And

24:11

basically there's

24:14

documented well over 30 spirits there from

24:16

each era of this

24:19

location. It's

24:22

mind-blowing, this place. So

24:26

you said it's been many things, a

24:28

hotel obviously being one of them. What else

24:30

has it been that's stood out? I mean

24:32

obviously the idea of a bordello and things

24:34

of that nature. Yeah,

24:37

it's been that twice. It's been a

24:39

schoolhouse. It's been a, like I

24:41

said, just a standard family home. I

24:47

think it was used as partially

24:51

for a courthouse I think maybe at

24:53

one point before the actual one

24:56

was built. So

24:58

yeah, it's seen a lot of people and places

25:00

and people coming and going. What was it like

25:02

the first time you went in there? What

25:05

happened the first time you went in there as well? Well

25:10

the people who own it, Dan and Connie Lefebvre, they

25:13

were already friends of mine beforehand

25:15

and they bought this location in

25:17

July of 2016. I

25:19

was the first person to ever conduct a

25:22

paranormal investigation there. They

25:24

invited me in August, me

25:26

and my team, to conduct the very first

25:28

investigation there. And

25:32

we actually, the first time we were there, we actually captured

25:34

this. It's

25:37

like not really an apparition

25:39

but like a silhouette

25:45

of light energy. It

25:48

was in the shape of a person but it was more

25:51

light than anything. You know those plasma

25:53

balls, right? Where you put your

25:55

hand on it, it has a little electric rod that should follow your

25:57

finger. I use those as

25:59

a way of... of providing electromagnetic energy and it

26:01

works. If you take a K2 meter and go

26:04

about five feet from it, you're just going to

26:06

show that there's a lot of energy emanating

26:08

from it. So I use those

26:10

to provide like my own EM pump,

26:13

I guess you could call it. So we had

26:16

it set up in the corner, we

26:18

had our DVR camera facing it. And

26:21

Dan, at the end of the investigation, Dan, the owner,

26:23

he walks down there and unplugs it. And as he

26:25

walks away, the headlamp that

26:28

you had, the natural light headlamp

26:31

refracted off of our lights and

26:33

with DVR cameras when it

26:36

encounters a heavy amount of regular light,

26:38

the infrared light shut off for a second.

26:41

And then they come back on. So when

26:43

they shut off, right where the plasma

26:46

ball was, you can see this like

26:48

silhouette of this, like it looks

26:50

like maybe a kid's size appear and it's like,

26:52

it looks like old TV types, old

26:55

TV static. You know, that old

26:57

static look, it looks just like that. And

27:00

it lasts until the infrared lights come back

27:02

on and then it's gone. So

27:05

for that split second that those infrared lights came

27:07

off, that thing just appeared.

27:09

It's just like visiting there. It looks like it's

27:12

like it was touching the plasma ball and

27:14

emanating that last minute bit of energy from

27:16

it to manifest in that kind of way.

27:19

And then disappeared. That's

27:22

an interesting thing. I've never heard of

27:24

anyone using the plasma balls for something

27:26

like that, but it makes a lot

27:28

of sense that that could be something

27:31

to basically put a battery there and

27:33

give some energy. When

27:36

you saw that, that little, what

27:38

looked like a child figure

27:40

in that setting, how

27:43

did that progress? Did you see any more of

27:45

this? Did you learn any more about any children

27:48

that were there at

27:50

one time? Well, that's

27:52

when Dan and Connie, like they

27:54

just bought the location, so they

27:56

were just starting their research of

27:58

it. We start,

28:01

we go back to next time and that's when they tell

28:03

us like there's, there's a little boy spirit

28:05

there by the name of Benjamin and two little girls. We

28:08

really don't know their names yet. We've made,

28:10

I think we know now, but then we did, I

28:12

have to ask them. But um,

28:15

we had this little boy spirit, Benjamin, I believe

28:17

that was Sam because I've seen him twice at

28:19

the full-bodied apparition center since then.

28:21

One time I was doing a

28:24

little isolation project and

28:26

one of the upstairs bedrooms that is known

28:28

for it is like a hotbed of activity.

28:31

I'm doing this isolation project. I'm all alone up

28:34

there, Dan and Anthony, they're downstairs

28:36

in the lost area and

28:38

I look over at the door

28:40

and I see them and that's when I

28:42

see them. And then it's literally the exact

28:44

same size as what was on

28:46

the plasma ball. So I have a feeling that when

28:49

I saw that the spirit of Benjamin knew

28:51

that I saw that and then he clicked with me. And

28:55

that's how I think I believe I've seen him there twice

28:57

since then. And then

28:59

one other time running up

29:01

the stairs. I

29:05

think that was last year when

29:07

that happened. When you, yeah,

29:09

when you're drawn into a place

29:11

like this, obviously it has a

29:14

lot of activity. Why do

29:16

you think it speaks to you so much?

29:18

Why is that, you know, like your, you

29:20

know, your location that you're using to be

29:22

most connected to? I

29:25

have a feeling because I was the first one to

29:27

ever give them the opportunity to communicate with us. I'm

29:31

the one who came in there and try

29:33

to actually reach out to the spirits to give

29:35

them that voice to the world. I

29:38

think that's, that's part of it. But

29:40

before that, the previous owner

29:42

before Dan never allowed anything like that to

29:44

happen. She was on it because it's

29:46

been in her family for generations, but

29:49

she never, no one's ever done an

29:52

investigation there before until I, so

29:54

Dan bought it and then he

29:56

invited me out there to actually conduct the investigation.

29:58

So I think that's probably why. Why? Because

30:01

the spirits know me the most because I've been

30:03

there the most. Even

30:05

though I've investigated, like I said, eight, 17

30:07

plus times, but I've been in there well

30:10

over a hundred times, you

30:12

know, helping Dan do stuff. We've just a

30:14

cat encounter things. I go up

30:16

and up the stairs and I believe, Hey,

30:19

how's it going? Everybody? And you'll hear

30:21

like, I'll hear like footsteps and stuff, whatnot. And

30:23

then I hear a little pitter patter of feet. I'm like, Hey,

30:25

what's going on? Benjamin? You

30:27

know, I believe that that's part of it. That's why

30:29

the location reach us,

30:31

who stops me the most because I

30:34

gave him that voice first. Do

30:37

you think that the

30:40

spirits there, obviously you said there's quite a

30:42

few. Are they all happy to

30:44

be there? Are they going to kind of, this is

30:46

their place. They're good. Over

30:51

time, this one particular spirit, and we

30:53

believe we already know who it is.

30:59

We believe that over time there's been,

31:01

there's been bits of aggression that's come

31:03

from this. There was one

31:05

time I was doing an isolation session. I

31:07

was there filming a five part docu-series called

31:10

a haunting and Ballinger. And this we found

31:12

on my YouTube channel. Where

31:15

and I'm just part two isolation. I'm

31:17

downstairs. There's a room all the

31:20

way back to the left room 116. It's

31:23

a, it's a room where really

31:25

doesn't for some reason, it doesn't like one of the

31:28

spirit women there in that room. It's like a maintenance

31:30

room. There's a bunch of like old tools, sawblades, things

31:32

of that nature. And it's

31:34

like the maintenance area. So the

31:36

spirit there is very territorial. And

31:39

so we go in, I go in there and

31:41

I'm not being like aggressive. I'm just kind of

31:43

being like assertive, you know, like,

31:45

Hey, what's going on? Why, like, why are

31:47

you aggressive? Let's have a conversation. Tell me

31:49

your story type of thing. But

31:51

trying to put it out there where I'm not being

31:53

a dick, but also trying to get to the bottom

31:55

of it. And so I'm

31:58

hearing, you know. footsteps out there.

32:01

And so I go to

32:03

the doorway and I look, I have my camera.

32:06

I'm holding my camera at test level. And

32:08

I look down the hallway, right hearing all this

32:11

scuffling and I say, and you hear me say, I'm

32:13

hearing stuff out here and right as I'm saying that,

32:15

I start hearing like, you know, like when you take

32:17

your finger and you tap glass, like a light bulb,

32:19

you hear that ting

32:21

ting ting sound? Yeah, I hear

32:24

that. But for some reason, my

32:26

instinct and my habit tells

32:28

me to instead of turning my body with my camera

32:30

to look into the room where that sound is coming,

32:32

I only turn my head and I see a light

32:35

bulb, lift up about 16 inches

32:37

off the shelf and shoot

32:39

straight to the other to the opposite side

32:41

of the room or that wall and shatter

32:43

against that wall. That was the very first

32:46

bit of paranormal poltergeist activity I've ever seen

32:48

with my own eyes. And

32:50

so that right

32:52

there is that first bit of aggression

32:54

that has died occurred there. And ever

32:56

since then, there has just

32:58

been constantly growing and growing and

33:01

growing. And we believe that this

33:03

that the spirit that's doing this is his

33:06

name is Jim Miller, his

33:09

nickname is the Deacon. He was a notorious

33:11

outlaw that ran in this area, all the

33:13

way from like West Texas all the way

33:15

up to Kansas. And I believe

33:17

but the weird thing is I would

33:20

believe that he was killed in Kansas,

33:22

I think is where it was, he was

33:24

found and he was hung inside of

33:26

a barn. With

33:28

two other guys, but we believe he haunts the old

33:31

park hotel, because we believe

33:33

he's linked to the Bordello there. And

33:35

that he's, he had, he

33:37

was a very, I think, a frequented itch quite

33:39

a bit back in the day. And

33:42

so I think that that's like, you

33:44

know, when even though, you know, when spirits die,

33:46

I don't think that they actually haunt where they

33:49

die, I think they haunt where they're located, where

33:51

they were most, where their

33:53

energy is most linked to, I believe,

33:56

that right there really kind of kind

33:58

of I guess you say proved

34:01

my theory of that to me, at

34:03

least. I don't know if I could prove that to the rest

34:05

of the community, but it definitely shows it

34:07

to me that that can happen. That

34:10

wraps up part one of our conversation. In part two,

34:12

how have the spirits of the Old Park Hotel

34:15

raised their level of aggression against

34:18

investigators? Until next time, for all of us

34:20

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